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Wednesday, September 20, 2017

Programmed hate

Anonymous Conservative explains why it is so vital for Trump, and other Republicans, not to cuck on immigration:
The real problem President Trump must grasp is, conservatives have become programmed over these last few presidential cycles, and this conditioning has imbued a specific set of neural pathways. Too many times, we have had a politician espouse conservative, anti-leftist ideals to us, we got in line to support him, and then he either turned around in office and reversed his position to support a leftist position, or he took a “moderate” pro-left tone in the campaign and never even made it into office.

As a result of this history, conservatives have a whole lot of hatred and rage-circuits burned into their brains, just waiting to be triggered by a perception of betrayal, and attached to whoever is seen as doing the betrayal. If Donald turns around, in what most conservatives perceive as a time of war, and legalizes 800,000 new democrat voters, those circuits will all fire up throughout the movement.

As the research shows, once you attach such an aversive stimulus pathway to a concept in the amygdala, you cannot destroy that neural pathway, unlike in other areas of the brain. An amygdala pathway which triggers aversive stimulus never degrades, unlike mere memory circuits. It is permanent. At most, with extensive deconditioning work, you can create a second suppressive-circuit to suppress the amygdala trigger, but that secondary pathway is always weak in its operation. The initial aversive stimulus is easily re-triggered through it – a circumstance which destroys the suppressive pathway, and fully reestablishes the trigger.

What this means is, from a cognitive neuroscience perspective, if Trump allows the DACA-recipients any sort of path to voting, a large swath of his base will suddenly have a very negative sensation attach to him related to betrayal. Once that pathway is there, all any subsequent opponent will need to do is press that betrayal button to elicit the sensation.

I voted for George Bush twice, and really liked him as a person. But when I think of how he destroyed the party to support democrats and polish his own “moderate” credentials, it doesn’t matter what he does going forward. Those angry sensations of betrayal and anger will rise, no matter how nice he may be, no matter what he does. He will now always elicit negative feelings in me, and I would never support him or his family again. For a more detailed discussion of that, ask President Jeb Bush about it.

In my opinion, George W Bush was actually worse for the future prospects of the Bush family than even his ultra-leftist father, because W. pretended to be one of us. We all knew H.W. was shaky. When he went left it was no surprise. But W. pretended to be a Texas conservative. When he ultimately refused to attack the left, let all their attacks go unanswered, and handed the Presidency to Obama, the violation of expectation of betrayal made the amygdala-pathway that formed so strong that the entire Bush dynasty was destroyed, and even the full backing of the Establishment could not resurrect it.

Then there is also the issue of all the conservatives who have been fighting with other conservatives, defending President Trump’s conservatism during the campaign. Others would say he was a New York liberal who was merely pandering on immigration, and would ultimately legalize all of those leftist voters and kill the party. If the President reverses his position, he destroys the credibility of his defenders within the conservative movement. That would be yet another betrayal.

This is a minefield which goes beyond mere persuasion. There comes a point where amygdala begins to become so high that persuasion is ineffective. If someone kills your entire family, you will have enough amygdala that they will never be able to use persuasion to change how you feel. For conservatives, America is being destroyed, freedom is waning rapidly, and it is all due to liberalism. Leftists now violently attack any conservative who speaks openly in public. Leftism is now an enemy which we view with as much hate as any enemy our nation has faced in history.
He's right. I am considerably more cool-tempered than most, I have no problem at all waiting extended periods of time to take my shots when necessary, and yet, there is literally nothing that any member of the Bush family, or any establishment Republican like Paul Ryan, can say that will allow me to even hear what they are saying. They might as well be Charlie Brown's teacher as far as I am concerned. Wuaah-wa-wuaah-wa-wuaah....

Their past behavior has rendered them literally incredible to me and millions of others on the Right. This is the real reason the Alternative Right is inevitable, because so many of us no longer find the conservative movement, or the Republican Party, to be even potentially persuasive.

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60 Comments:

Blogger Shimshon September 20, 2017 8:28 AM  

Still not tired of winning.

My pithy two-word go-to response when confronted by people with negative material from the usual suspects (including the media) is, "Fake news." Doesn't trigger as much as other responses, but shuts down pointless debate immediately.

I have not seen Trump do anything yet the way I became soured on Bush in the aftermath of 9/11. There's still time. It may happen. But it seems pretty clear to me Trump is made of different stuff than Bush.

Blogger James Dixon September 20, 2017 8:30 AM  

Yeah. That happened to me in 1996, when the Republicans decided it was Bob Dole's turn. Trump is the first Republican candidate I've voted for since.

Blogger Nathan September 20, 2017 8:32 AM  

I agree with the point made, even if it is cluttered with a gloss of pop neuroscience that tries to provide a post facto materialist explanation for why Trump won the primary instead of Jeb! when the fact is that conservatives would have lined up to vote for him or Little Marco if we hadn't had a man with as much charisma as George Washington or Augustus to lead us.

Blogger James Dixon September 20, 2017 8:35 AM  

One other detail from the article: " Leftism is now an enemy which we view with as much hate as any enemy our nation has faced in history."

Not just leftism. The GOPe has demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're on the same team. The Obamacare repeal fiasco being merely the latest example of same. I'll admit that it took Kevin Williamson to make me fully aware of just how much these people hate rural America, but there's no going back from that awakening.

Blogger James Dixon September 20, 2017 8:36 AM  

> ...when the fact is that conservatives would have lined up to vote for him or Little Marco if...

Little Marco was a traitor on immigration and everyone knew it. He had no chance of being elected.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 20, 2017 8:36 AM  

I wouldn't stretch the neurophysiology quite that far, mostly as "science" is only barely getting to the point of knowing they don't have a clue what's going on, but there is some important points there. And it puts a new spin on "you are dead to me".

But, well, it did give us "Jeb!", Guac Bowl and "Please clap".

Really, if it wasn't for the fact that the fate of everyone in the USA was under threat by Hillary & co, 2016 was a freaking awesome election.

Blogger Nathan September 20, 2017 8:40 AM  

Persuasion (embodied imagination) is king. The most persuasive men in history have been able to lead men into certain death, so clearly persuasion is more powerful than the amygdala on a simple level of analysis. Our recorded tradition also supports the primacy of persuasion and charisma over the power of fear and "neural triggering" or whatever buzzwords people who read the Wikipedia page about the brain want to use.

Blogger Nathan September 20, 2017 8:43 AM  

Little Marco wasn't Little Marco without Trump. Jeb wasn't an emasculated laughing stock without Trump. We like to provide rationalist, materialist explanations after the fact, but I agree with the tradition of Western Civilization that great men shape the currents of history far more than we are comfortable believing.

Anonymous Steveo September 20, 2017 8:44 AM  

The movement of cuckery in the formerly conservative world is the result of staking out seats at the global table. They want that more than anything for the establishment of global wealth & aristocracy FOR THEIR OWN FAMILIES. Greed. In order to save the West from their ilk, never let them have safe haven in your part of the world, do not believe them, there must be some reckoning.

Blogger daniel walsh September 20, 2017 8:47 AM  

Is the switch in language from 'the Alt Right is inevitable' to 'the alternative right is inevitable' intentional and/or significant?

Anonymous Simplytimothy September 20, 2017 8:55 AM  

I was a barking mad pavlovian dog at the mere wisp of a scent of yet another betrayal.

Thanks to AC, I can step back during the rage and dispassionately consider the amyglda rush as it is occurring .

Heck, I am dropping f-bombs just thinking about it.

Blogger YIH September 20, 2017 9:01 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> ...when the fact is that conservatives would have lined up to vote for him or Little Marco if...

Little Marco was a traitor on immigration and everyone knew it. He had no chance of being elected.

Dole was the GOP saying ''pass'' on the '96 prez race. Questionable ethics, questionable principals, questionable health. Sound familiar?

Blogger ZhukovG September 20, 2017 9:10 AM  

@Nathan: If given a choice of Hillary and Jeb, I would likely choose 'None of the Above'. I might even have cast a strategic vote for Hillary just speed us on our way to the USA's impending destiny.

It was only Donald Trump who motivated me to vote Republican one more time.

Anonymous BBGKB September 20, 2017 9:12 AM  

John McCain was fighting to keep trannies in the military. Should tranny suicides be added to his death toll of 147 sailors? Does he think we need suicide bombers of our own? McCain campaigned on fighting Obamacare but was the vote that saved it.

Blogger VD September 20, 2017 9:13 AM  

Is the switch in language from 'the Alt Right is inevitable' to 'the alternative right is inevitable' intentional and/or significant?

No. I have never viewed "Alt Right" as anything more than an abbreviation for Alternative Right. I'm not the one trying to create "brands" and play at marketing. I prefer to describe actual reality, not wield magic words to try to manipulate it.

Blogger ZhukovG September 20, 2017 9:16 AM  

@daniel walsh: I believe Alt-Right and Alternative Right may be used interchangeably. Depending on my audience I will also use 'American Nationalism' or just 'Americanism'.

Blogger Stilicho September 20, 2017 9:18 AM  

Is this our first Scott Adams troll?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 20, 2017 9:19 AM  

It's possible that Donald Trump thought the Americans who voted for him would happily approve a deal for the poor abandoned DACAs. (I think it's unlikely, because he's shown a real knack for reading public opinion ever since the early campaign, but let's go with it.) If so, he now knows better, and he's managed to get himself out of the direct line of fire on the issue, put Congress there instead, and shine a big spotlight on who the DACAs really are and what they want for America. Win-win-win.

Blogger Phat Repat September 20, 2017 9:22 AM  

Sure, let's see if/how Trump and company holds CA accountable (California Values Act (SB 54). As always, popcorn and beer at the ready; but I expect to be disappointed, until I'm not. The story sounded great, the results SO FAR, not so much. Haven't given up hope, but starting to find those thinking Trump is some kind of 4D master will end up also disappointed, and with just a little egg on face.

Blogger James Dixon September 20, 2017 9:23 AM  

> Little Marco wasn't Little Marco without Trump. Jeb wasn't an emasculated laughing stock without Trump.

Either one would have gone down to defeat against Hillary. Marco had the immigration betrayal against him, and Jeb was another Bush. The campaigns would have gone pretty much exactly like the McCain and Romney ones did.

Blogger Quilp September 20, 2017 9:23 AM  

I went over and read the article, and I don't get what he is pushing. I don't remember Trump trying to be viewed as the compassionate one to be elected in 2016, why does he need to for 2020? And what is this stipend business? Has anyone from the govt ever offered you a stipend?

Maybe I've been red pilled so long now I can't see there are any in numbers still calling themselves "conservatives" still out there, are there? Are there people out there who call themselves "conservative and still believe in the party of Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and Evan McMuffin?

Anonymous krymneth September 20, 2017 9:24 AM  

If you think Anonymous Conservative is just applying a gloss of pop psych to this matter, I seriously and strongly recommend you dig into his writings and books more deeply. It will be worth your time.

It is true his theories are not standard within the psych community, but if you dig in, you'll come to understand why that's the expected outcome, rather than a condemnation.

Anonymous Anonymous September 20, 2017 9:35 AM  

old white guy says..........put simply, lie to me, lose me.

Blogger Chris Lutz September 20, 2017 9:36 AM  

James Dixon wrote:One other detail from the article: " Leftism is now an enemy which we view with as much hate as any enemy our nation has faced in history."

Not just leftism. The GOPe has demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're on the same team. The Obamacare repeal fiasco being merely the latest example of same. I'll admit that it took Kevin Williamson to make me fully aware of just how much these people hate rural America, but there's no going back from that awakening.


KDW and a host of other conservatives are busy praising the wonders of price gouging during emergencies. Somehow charging $100 for a case of water gets more water to an emergency area faster.

Simply put, what people have known for millenia (The Boy Who Cried Wolf) is that once you find someone or a group to have certain characteristics, you hard code your responses. If you find someone to be a liar, you stop listening.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 20, 2017 9:39 AM  

If this by AC is remotely true then perhaps you intellectuals should reappraise the last few decades where all those brilliant essays were going to bring the "Truth" to the leftist masses and even the left itself.

The best way to destroy a leftist is with leftism, and it is a lot more fun if you have a slight sadistic streak.

Blogger ZhukovG September 20, 2017 9:40 AM  

@Phat Repat: I don't know why this silly 4D chess idea keeps popping up, except that for the first time since JFK (or possibly Jefferson Davis) there is real opposition to the political establishment. It's not mystical or particularly complicated, it's just two factions engaged in a political wrestling match.

Remember also, that President Trump and his Civic Nationalism is not the future. The Alt-Right and Omni-nationalism is. To the extent that President Trump supports our goals, wonderful. But, he is not vital to our ultimate victory.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 20, 2017 9:41 AM  

Doubt is an IED in the leftists mind and maybe soul

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 20, 2017 9:48 AM  

krymneth wrote:If you think Anonymous Conservative is just applying a gloss of pop psych to this matter, I seriously and strongly recommend you dig into his writings and books more deeply. It will be worth your time.

Yes. There may be some serious scientific debate to be had on the topic, but the blithe dismissals and ridiculous sophistic counters are worthy of much scorn.

I think he's very much onto something here, with his r/K and amygdala approaches.

But of course it's also very politically incorrect and therefore gets the same treatment as race realism, HBD, etc.

Blogger Elocutioner September 20, 2017 9:52 AM  

"Little Marco wasn't Little Marco without Trump. Jeb wasn't an emasculated laughing stock without Trump."

What? Chuck Schumer's cabana boy - Foam Party Marco - and Jeb! (who literally married an illegal alien that looks like E.T.) were merely accurately branded for what they are.

Rubio ran as a Tea Party conservative and within four months joined on as the spokesman for the Gang of Eight.

No functioning adult - man or woman - could look at a picture of Jeb and his wife and willingly choose him to lead our country.

Together they had 0% chance of winning. The uniparty selected Hillary.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 20, 2017 9:55 AM  

THIS is why no one can control the Narrative.

People endlessly hand-wring over how the Media Megaphone controls people's minds. How does one juxtapose that notion with "...all I hear is whah-wa-whaa-whaa?"

You can't. Leftism was ascendant for 4-500 years, moving from an explicit version of the Gnostic Heresy to Marxist pseudo-economic class struggle to today's Cult-like Utopian religion of Equalism (complete with its own God, its own Saints, its sacred totems, its own Satan, a full plate of dogma, prescribed punishments for heresy and apostasy, etc., etc.)

No one created it. It grew organically. This phase of such thinking has a beginning, a vital and strong middle, and is now obviously entered its Old Age Dementia phase. It is spontaneously failing, and a replacement is spontaneously arising. Those grown fat on the old system naturally defend it, but their efforts will come to nothing.

We are biological creatures. We are a part of nature, not apart from it. AC simply describes the phenotype of human DNA as it relates to social actions.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2017 9:56 AM  

No. I have never viewed "Alt Right" as anything more than an abbreviation for Alternative Right. I'm not the one trying to create "brands" and play at marketing. I prefer to describe actual reality, not wield magic words to try to manipulate it.

But...but...but... how will we ever profit off normies and get them to love us and elevate us from the dungeons of omega, gamma and low delta if we don't pedestalize the brand?

All you care about is analyzing reality so that you and others can navigate it. There's no love or money in that!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 20, 2017 9:59 AM  

I suspect the two are synonymous in many ways, Mantra.

Blogger Ned September 20, 2017 10:04 AM  

FWIW, for the first time evah, Twitter let me post a link to this site. Is this blog or VD now off some double-secret Twitter shit list?

Blogger slarrow September 20, 2017 10:09 AM  

ZhukovG, the reason the 4D chess thing keeps coming up is that things keep working out for this guy half the country wrote off as a buffoon two years ago. Even Anonymous Conservative is wondering after Soros-funded lefties are threatening to squash the deal:

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/trumps-master-stroke-on-daca/

As for the Scott Adams mention above, last Friday he responded to a tweet saying that Democrats wouldn't sign any deal without citizenship with: "Democrats are going to kill DACA on their own? (That's how it would look.)" He might have been about five days early.

As for cool, patient analysis of the "deal", Don Surber has been pretty good on this front lately.

Blogger Harris September 20, 2017 10:13 AM  

This is so true. I was once an active Republican, and regular financial contributor. I left after the 2006 election, and lost all trust in the party. W was a huge disappointment. And if I had any inclination to return, the back to back nominations of McCain and the Romneycare Mormon just cemented NY permanent opposition.

Anonymous johnc September 20, 2017 10:14 AM  

All we know for sure is that Trump is a patriot and that he wants to help people. Beyond that, things aren't very impressive. He is entirely too dependent on advisers (garbage in, garbage out) and his negotiating skills, so far, appear to be awful.

However, TPTB have managed to double-down on the division in this country, and that is ultimately what has Trump stalled.

We won't have any progress towards anything good until we have unity. And unity is a far-fetched idea right now.

Blogger James September 20, 2017 10:32 AM  

I'm sure that it is physically impossible to rewire our amygdalas once the connections have been etched, but what is possible spiritually is another matter altogether. We should not be conformed to this world, no matter how much it tries to brainwash us and control our minds by bombarding us with propaganda, but instead we should be transformed by the renewing of our minds. That said, it is of course imperative for anyone who is spiritual to hate the guts of the Globalists in general and the Bush Crime Family in particular.

Blogger Lance E September 20, 2017 10:39 AM  

I keep hearing about ¡Jeb! and Little Marco, but the runner-up was Ted Cruz (AKA "Lyin' Ted"). He wasn't/isn't likable, and Trump rightly demolished all of them, but we didn't need Trump's rhetoric to put the least-trustworthy swamp-dwellers at the bottom of the heap. Americans naturally did that.

As for Scott Adams who's been mentioned a few times - I don't know what he's thinking, trying to recast The Wall as some cheesy metaphor for a vague notion of "border security". He may understand persuasion very well, but he doesn't seem to understand symbolism - or security, or history.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass September 20, 2017 10:52 AM  

I've learned to trust Trump, disregard the media (since '15, though I had stopped paying attention due to dear leader from '09), and that the Uniparty's grip is slipping, more than ever.

For those R's that claim to be on our side, drop it! Shut up or get swept away come '20!

Blogger dc.sunsets September 20, 2017 10:59 AM  

Nathan wrote:Persuasion (embodied imagination) is king. The most persuasive men in history have been able to lead men into certain death, so clearly persuasion is more powerful than the amygdala on a simple level of analysis. Our recorded tradition also supports the primacy of persuasion and charisma over the power of fear and "neural triggering" or whatever buzzwords people who read the Wikipedia page about the brain want to use.

Why do you presupposed the people "led" by "leaders" are blank-slate puppets? This is a clear case of post-hoc analysis.

People can be led into war only under certain conditions. Do you really think there was a complete and total absence of persuasive leaders these past 50 years who would happily have fought the Left Narrative?

Why do wars occur at a VERY predictable point in a graph of major stock market averages? Why do fashions and pop culture trends also assort together?

The explanation I favor is Prechter's Socionomic Hypothesis. No other general theory explains why horror films, dour fashions, long dresses and such appear together, and why the second decline within a large bear market bottoms near the beginning of big wars, and why those who claim that war is good for stocks (because most wars occur during uptrends off deep lows) is a classic case of causality reversal.

Anonymous Pitchfork Rebel September 20, 2017 11:00 AM  

"They might as well be Charlie Brown's teacher as far as I am concerned."

They might as well be Charlie Brown-the Lucy Democrats will always pull the football at the last second and they will fall right on their asses.



Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 20, 2017 11:05 AM  

I can't see there are any in numbers still calling themselves "conservatives" still out there, are there? Are there people out there who call themselves "conservative and still believe in the party of Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and Evan McMuffin?


They still exist out there in fairly large numbers. A large number of them are that small slice of young single women that vote Republican. They know enough to realize that Democrats openly represent moral degeneracy but don't enough attention to realize that GOPe are the same people wearing a cheap mask.

My GFs friends all were excited about Kaisich and thought he was good candidate (this is tainted by the fact we live in Ohio). They all thought he had a good record here in Ohio because they don't realize he balanced the budget in the short term by expanding medicaid to get federal funds. That basic level analysis requires more concentration that playing the news in the background while surfing facebook.

Blogger Johnny September 20, 2017 11:14 AM  

"Not just leftism. The GOPe has demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're on the same team."

The name I favor putting to it is Deep State, the collective self interest of the people who run government.

I used to vote Republican as a way of voting against the Democrats. Silly me, now I am not so sure even that is useful. As for Trump I never expected more than half a loaf because his ideology is not all that conservative. But as has been stated, the immigration thing is a deal killer. If we don't get something then I am alienated from the political process. No longer part of it really.

Blogger Resident Moron™ September 20, 2017 11:18 AM  

I find it hard to take anyone seriously who, as an adult, liked or trusted GWB. For the same reason I have people on the moderate left I respect as well-meaning but I don't take their political opinions seriously because some of them are older than I am and voted for Obama twice. You have to be willfully ignorant to be that ignorant in your 50's.

You can argue it was far more obvious that Obama was a manufactured manchurian candidate than it was with Bush, but the reality is only a feckless fool like Britney Spears could utter the words "trust the President" without giving me a raging urge to shoot them in the face.

Blogger Kauf Buch September 20, 2017 11:20 AM  

I'm not worried about Trump doing the stupid thing.

To me, he's using "bait and switch" and "moving the goalposts", which is what Dems have repeatedly done to dupe the Republicans.

I think Trump wants to go down as a "winner" President, and knows any form of "amnesty" would be instant political suicide for him.
He's been this way all his life, and I see nothing to suggest he's changed in that regard.

Too much of what I hear reminds me of Tokyo Rose demoralization and its related Eeyore-ism. The goal being "divide and conquer" Trump's base.

Stand strong. Ain't easy, but the payoff is worth it.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 20, 2017 11:34 AM  

So, that is why the very thought of JEB! becoming president made me so viscerally angry.

The left is going to miss the Republican party and Conservative Inc.

Anonymous Lara Mycroft September 20, 2017 11:36 AM  

[Scott Adams] may understand persuasion very well, but he doesn't seem to understand symbolism - or security, or history.

How dare you attack Scott Adams! How dare you attack the man who graced us with a YouTube tour of his mansion -- complete with swimming pool, massive kitchen, and three microwaves!

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 20, 2017 11:52 AM  

There's a good number of people who don't want to give up the name conservative. They think the answer is to somehow read the McCain's, McConnell's, Ryan's and Bushes out of the movement.

I don't see how they will do it. But I wish them luck.

Anonymous Jeff September 20, 2017 11:53 AM  

Trump gets an A from me so far. It will be bumped to an A+ with the Wall.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 20, 2017 12:05 PM  

I find it incredibly frustrating that traitors like Clapper and Comey are walking around free while Mueller is using thug tactics under the guise of investigating minutiae. But Trump's actions have been entirely solid thus far and he has a great deal more information about the political threats that he faces than we do, so the only logical thing to do is trust his judgment until we're given a definite reason not to.

Blogger Doom September 20, 2017 12:15 PM  

Persuasive? They are worse then the other enemy. Sheep's clothes. They are now simply in the way. If the dem party really is going full on foreign native? It is toast. If so? Create a new party to the real righ of the rep/second dem party. A lot of ifs.

Blogger James Dixon September 20, 2017 12:20 PM  

> ...but the runner-up was Ted Cruz...

And the only reason a lot of Trump voters supported him over Cruz was because Cruz was born in Canada, and thus (in their minds) ineligible.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 20, 2017 12:21 PM  

Maybe I've been red pilled so long now I can't see there are any in numbers still calling themselves "conservatives" still out there, are there? Are there people out there who call themselves "conservative and still believe in the party of Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and Evan McMuffin?

I suspect you are wrong about that. Most at least nominally support Trump, and seem to comprise a loose cuck-amalgam of consisting of Oafcuckers, former Tea-Party Patriotards and churchians. The held a MOAR rally not long ago in which they embraced BLM - the violent thug-brigade funded by (((Soros))), so as to virtue-signal for Judeo-Christ. Worse by several orders of magnitude then even the alt-retards, who are merely retarded for the most part.

Anonymous Anonymous September 20, 2017 12:30 PM  

I've seen a lot of concern trolling by Brock-type operatives against TrumpTwitter and it's been effective in combination with the mass-banning of influential accounts.

The left is in a much more fragile state and is much more viscerally repellant to average americans, but only if news of their activities gets out.

I'd like to see similar concern trolling being done on the left side. If the RNC weren't cuck central we'd see the engineering of a splitter party designed to isolate SJW's in their own little hugbox.

Anonymous Avalanche September 20, 2017 1:04 PM  

Noah Trump's actions have been entirely solid thus far and he has a great deal more information about the political threats that he faces than we do, so the only logical thing to do is trust his judgment

And send him messages through whatever means so he KNOWS we're still out here supporting him!! If that damned Kelly is limiting the information he gets to swampers, then we need to push ever harder to let him know we're here! WE ARE HIS ARMY!

Blogger Kevin Blackwell September 20, 2017 1:04 PM  

People say trump is a new york progressive. Do we even know what a new york conservative looks like? It's certainly the reason why he talks so much shit. I've only known 1 or 2 new yorkers and all they do is talk shit.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 20, 2017 1:13 PM  

As for Scott Adams who's been mentioned a few times - I don't know what he's thinking, trying to recast The Wall as some cheesy metaphor for a vague notion of "border security".

He's overthinking it. I might have said this before, but there's nothing nerdy or intellectual about building a physical wall. You need some brains to design it, but after that it's just pouring concrete and tacking up fence. Boring, sweaty work, mile after mile. But a metaphorical wall that's just as effective as a physical Wall -- that's something you need really smart guys like Scott Adams to work out at a keyboard.

Or he's doing one of his double-dog, inside-out, reverse psychology things where he's just trying to provoke certain reactions in his readers. In which case he already knew I was going to say all this.

Blogger Peter Jackson September 20, 2017 2:17 PM  

because so many of us no longer find the conservative movement, or the Republican Party, to be even potentially persuasive.

Open borders is not conservative. Just because someone who calls himself a conservative, like Paul Ryan, does nothing to stop illegal immigration, does not make open borders a conservative position.

What it means is that you, as a voter, don't control your elected representatives. They are controlled by lobbyists like the Chamber of Commerce.

Blogger Lazarus September 20, 2017 11:57 PM  


Cail Corishev wrote:He's overthinking it. I might have said this before, but there's nothing nerdy or intellectual about building a physical wall. You need some brains to design it, but after that it's just pouring concrete and tacking up fence.

Yes, but the nature of American jurisdiction is such that multiple jusrisdictions have multiple concerns that need to be addressed barring simple decree.

There may be places where a physical wall is not viable. Then you need alternate security measures. Even with a physical wall, you need back-up systems.

and what about the coastlines, and airports, and the northern border with Canada?

where I used to live, I would often cross the border from farmland on the Canadian side to a wooded area on the american side and stroll about. Even met some american cows when I ventured further. Once in a while, an aircraft would fly over the border. That was it.

So a simple physical wall will not be enough.

Anonymous Intelectual powerhouse September 21, 2017 9:27 PM  

I would sooner vote for a blind and incontinent basset hound than i would for many of the republicans. Not all

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