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Friday, September 29, 2017

Question for the Rebel backers

So, I'm informed that my arbitrary selection of 150 Rebel figurines was rather uninformed, since apparently the minimum order number where per unit prices are sensible is 500. (Don't ask me why I chose 150, it was 3 in the morning at the time and I don't think I was expecting that more than a handful of people would order one anyway.)

Anyhow, being a collector of wargames, and, apparently, Ridgebacks, I don't know what the rules of statue collecting are, but I do understand that the less of them that are out there, the more desirable they are. Hence the following questions:
  • Do any Rebel-level backers care if we increase the number of figurines produced from 150 to 500?
  • If you do care, but not that much, is there anything we can do to make it up to you? My thought was to throw in a second t-shirt with the Alt★Hero logo if you are one of the 78 backers who are signed up at the Rebel level now.
  • Is going to 500 okay if they are numbered? Again, I don't know how these things work.
We can leave things as they are and it won't break anything, it's just that some pretty good-looking options require minimum 500 orders. We will be offering other figurines - right now the three most-requested are a) Spacebunny, b) Dynamique, and c) More Rebel - and they will all be done in quantities of 500.

UPDATE: All right, after hearing from a lot of you, we've decided to increase the limited edition quantity to more viable 490, plus the 10 for the highest level backers. The statues will be numbered according to the order backed, and, depending upon what is possible, we will try to find some way to distinguish the first 150 from the next 340.

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70 Comments:

Blogger rememberthe5th September 29, 2017 7:57 PM  

I’d still like to see the figurines before I pull the trigger on ordering at that level.

Blogger sappbe September 29, 2017 8:00 PM  

I won't care until the Beer Drinking Racist Sexist Homophobic Bigot Fat Guy statues come out. The emblem on his chest will be crowded so move it to his gut, and then I'll buy the statue and t-shirt.

Blogger lowercaseb September 29, 2017 8:01 PM  

Increase it! Everyone needs a tiny southern belle...

Blogger VD September 29, 2017 8:04 PM  

I’d still like to see the figurines before I pull the trigger on ordering at that level.

Sketch and other examples from the company will be the best we can do.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 29, 2017 8:04 PM  

Not a Rebel-level backer but soon will be. Number has to be limited, 500 is a good one.

Art lithographs are numbered for a reason, Rebel statuettes should also be numbered. And a "certificate of authenticity" included, too. Down the road these objects could actually be collectable to someone, stuff like that matters.

Statuette of Dynamique? Mais oui!

Blogger Joshua_D September 29, 2017 8:07 PM  

As a Rebel backer, I'd say 500 is fine, numbering them will be even better, especially if you can manage to get the number to each backer as they signed up.

Blogger Joshua_D September 29, 2017 8:09 PM  

I'm pretty stoked about the level of backing you received in the first day. I knew you reach your goal, but man ... this is good.

Blogger Jotten September 29, 2017 8:19 PM  

Honestly Vox, I'm backing this to help intelligent people create pro-Western content that will aid us in taking back the culture our parents gave up on. Being a GenX'er, I want my grandchildren to eventually experience some of my wonderful childhood.

If you honestly feel increasing the number of figurines to 500 will increase the project's ability to meet stretch-goals, go for it.

Blogger weka September 29, 2017 8:20 PM  

Do not have shelf room for figurines. Will make room for hardback omnibus graphic novels. Let us get to Volume six, and the destruction of the EU.

Anonymous BanjoStrap September 29, 2017 8:20 PM  

Numbered 500 sounds fine to me but I'm not a hardcore statues guy, I've never been concerned with the aftermarket dynamics aspect of collecting so Im not an authority. As for other figurines it's gotta be dynamique.

Blogger Virgil September 29, 2017 8:24 PM  

I'm a Rebelbacker. I'm fine with 500. If it's doable, numbering them would be great.

BTW, I need to make sure my email is available through Freestartr. Is there a way to do that without making it public?

Anonymous CPEG September 29, 2017 8:24 PM  

Figurine backer; I don't care how many there are. I'm not going to sell it.

Blogger The Observer September 29, 2017 8:26 PM  

My backing level includes the figurine, yeah. Go ahead and up it.

Anonymous Phantasmic September 29, 2017 8:28 PM  

Not a Rebel level backer, or a figurine collector, but I'd be interested in having this one just for its symbolism of this cultural shift. I'd be willing to up my contribution if the a la carte system can be worked out so I can also get the hardback, since that's my preference.

Of course I realize that since I'm not currently in the 150 that there's no guarantee that a figurine will be available, anyway.

Anonymous D Rex September 29, 2017 8:29 PM  

I am a Rebel backer. I would be annoyed by only slightly. If you need to order 500 then so be it, I'll be OK with it. If I got an extra T shirt that'd by pretty sweet.

Also I will order a hardcover as well, as soon as the option is available

Blogger Markku September 29, 2017 8:30 PM  

If you honestly feel increasing the number of figurines to 500 will increase the project's ability to meet stretch-goals, go for it.

It's more like, if we make 500 of them, we can use some production technologies that will make up a better looking statue, but then there will be more of them.

Anonymous Patron September 29, 2017 8:30 PM  

Not a Rebel statuette backer (yet...), but in regard to the questions:

1. Going from 150 to 500 is no problem for me. It's still a pretty limited run after all.

2. Definitely number them, and as above, consider adding a certificate of some kind.

3. The one thing I'd really like to see added to the Rebel statuette level is the hardback copies. At the moment I'm very much torn between those two backer levels*. Obviously I've no idea as to the economics of this, but I'll throw it out there as an option, particularly if anyone else who wanted the statuettes is upset about the change from 150 to 500.

*Well, and the $5k one, but there's no way I can afford that ;) ...

Blogger J johnson September 29, 2017 8:33 PM  

no way on rebel, leave it at 150, those that waited to donate at this level have simply lost out, next figurine bump the price if need be . scarcity needs to be an issue for a worthwhile collectable, it was the reason I donated at that level.

Blogger Markku September 29, 2017 8:36 PM  

Remember also that no matter what approach we take, we'll do the rest with the technology that requires 500 and looks better. So, the question is, do you want the collector's version to look worse than the mass-market version.

Anonymous Rollory September 29, 2017 8:38 PM  

Haven't backed yet but am planning to at that level. I have absolutely no problem with bumping it up to 500. I'm not remotely interested in denying a cool toy to other people if they happen to want it.

The one serious justification I can see for keeping it at 150 is that it makes the "get in now before they're sold out" pressure significantly higher, and thus easier to meet the target. At 500, I have no way to judge whether you'll actually sell them all. (Given that you're at ~80 on day 2, it's well within the realm of possibility)

I don't care a whit about numbering. Do what works for you.

Blogger Joshua_D September 29, 2017 8:39 PM  

You know, if you up the Rebel run to 500 to make for a better figurine, which would be great, maybe you could get vox and the artists to sign something for the first 150 backers ... maybe the comics or a separate, single image of Rebel signed by Vox and the artists. That'd be sweet. Either way, I think most people re backing the project for the cause. At first, I clicked the $30 donation because I want some hard copies of the comic, but I thought, I'd like to give a bit more than that. That's why I moved up to the Rebel level. I didn't really want a hard cover volume because COMICS BITCHES, but I thought getting the hard copy comics plus a t-shirt, plus a cool figurine I could sit on my desk at work would be sweet.

Blogger Joshua_D September 29, 2017 8:40 PM  

Whatever you do, do the 500 run that makes the best looking figurine.

OpenID franklinfreek September 29, 2017 8:43 PM  

I'm at the figurine level (under a different pseudonym) and I'm fine with either an extra t-shirt or getting the hardback in exchange for the unit count increase to 500.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 29, 2017 8:51 PM  

Is this just a one time thing or will their be a Castalia Comics?

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot September 29, 2017 8:51 PM  

Spacebunny figurines? O RLY? SRSLY? PLZ?

Aw, do it, even if it doesn't make money quickly: the level of triggering that this will cause will be absolutely delicious.

Also, do it before Christmas, because putting the Robert E. Lee costume on the Spacebunny figurine sitting in the nativity scene will trigger 'em even more. :-)

Hey, Rebel needs a commander, doesn't she? :-)

Blogger VD September 29, 2017 8:53 PM  

The one thing I'd really like to see added to the Rebel statuette level is the hardback copies. At the moment I'm very much torn between those two backer levels*.

That's not possible with the various costs involved. But we will add the option to add specific items, so a Rebel backer can get the hardcover and so forth.

Is this just a one time thing or will their be a Castalia Comics?

There will be a Castalia Comics. In some form.

Blogger Markku September 29, 2017 8:54 PM  

Well, we almost certainly can't repeat the success of THIS crowdfunding campaign, because that was from the situation that there are no such comics vs. there is one such comic in the world. One vs. two, it's more difficult to energize people. So, my first inclination would be to see how well the actual unit sales, unassisted by the campaign go. That will give a better picture of the steady-state demand for this, and whether we should branch out to comics for good.

Blogger VD September 29, 2017 8:55 PM  

those that waited to donate at this level have simply lost out

That's not the issue. They can still get them now. It's just that the very limited edition Rebels will not be as nice as the limited edition Rebels, Dynamiques, etc, but they will cost us 2x more to make.

Blogger VD September 29, 2017 8:57 PM  

scarcity needs to be an issue for a worthwhile collectable

What if 1 through 150 (plus the higher levels) are numbered and have different-colored cowboy boots or something?

Blogger Joshua_D September 29, 2017 8:58 PM  

VD wrote:scarcity needs to be an issue for a worthwhile collectable

What if 1 through 150 (plus the higher levels) are numbered and have different-colored cowboy boots or something?


That sounds cool.

Anonymous Nathan September 29, 2017 9:01 PM  

"There will be a Castalia Comics. In some form."

Nice. Perhaps we might get a light novel version of Moth & Cobweb? All it would take would be a handful of illustrations.

Anonymous Nicholas September 29, 2017 9:02 PM  

I contributed twice: once for the figurine, and once for the hard back. I don't care how many figurines there are, but I am not a figurine collector; I just wanted to contribute at a particular level, and I really wanted the hardback.

Blogger Junius Stone September 29, 2017 9:03 PM  

500 is fine. Rebel is a good time gal and wants to meet all the fans who want to meet her.

Just want to have the option to upgrade to the hardbacks.

A sketch would be nice.

Anonymous Phantasmic September 29, 2017 9:16 PM  

[q]But we will add the option to add specific items, so a Rebel backer can get the hardcover and so forth.[/q]

In that case, what's the most efficient way of jumping from one tier to the next?

Blogger wreckage September 29, 2017 9:22 PM  

My advice is to number them. They will still be scarce. The scarcity will be determined relative to the demand; a rare 150 from a line that nobody remembers from ten years ago is a curio; a less-rare 500 from a genuine cult classic is worth a chunk for those who are "in", and so on up the scale of commercial success.

Conversely, an ultra-rare line of 20 that no-one wants is a novelty paperweight, not an investment.

At this stage, provided the run IS limited, expanding the number of people who buy-in will actually increase the value of the extant figurines.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 29, 2017 9:23 PM  

If you increase the number to five hundred perhaps you could have "Rebel" sign a cool thank you note say on the back of a recipe card. Teach Yankees how to make biscuits. Best biscuits I ever ate were from Nebu Louisiana.

Give a cool gift and improve the American condition. Win-win.

Blogger dtungsten September 29, 2017 9:23 PM  

I'm fine with 500. Would really like numbering, especially if I got #45, which I think I did.

Blogger wreckage September 29, 2017 9:24 PM  

Oh, and certificate of authenticity, and a nice box.
If you want to make some of the 150 special-er, get a pro to re-paint them.

OpenID turk187 September 29, 2017 9:26 PM  

I am looking at pledging at the Rebel Figure level and personally don't care if there are more than 150. Why don't you include a few at the higher levels as well and maybe set a small number aside for the future.

Blogger Ostar September 29, 2017 9:36 PM  

500 and numbered is fine with me. Maybe give the really high backers the right to gift an extra figure to whomever they want.

Anonymous Rebel Fan September 29, 2017 9:45 PM  

500's fine, numbering's even better. Flog the rest and make a few bucks. I did think 150 sounded like an odd number for a limited run.

OpenID franklinfreek September 29, 2017 9:53 PM  

numbered is fine in lieu of other rewards such as t-shirt or hardback.

Anonymous HL September 29, 2017 9:55 PM  

Good to hear we can add on the hardback omnibus if we go for the rebel level. The lack of the hardback for that tier was the only reason I didn't purchase it today. I bet if a tier was added that's rebel + hardback it would get excellent support.

Anonymous HL September 29, 2017 9:58 PM  

right now the three most-requested are a) Spacebunny, b) Dynamique, and c) More Rebel

d) Your lawn. Because according to the self-proclaimed authorities on the issue, neither that nor Spacebunny are real.

Anonymous Phantasmic September 29, 2017 9:58 PM  

[b]But we will add the option to add specific items, so a Rebel backer can get the hardcover and so forth.[\b]

Good to know. I'd like to jump up to the 150 tier. What's the best to way to go about doing that?

Blogger Merlinus September 29, 2017 10:02 PM  

Honestly, I think the number of units produced is less important than the quality of the statue. But definately number them either way.

Are there examples from the company of their other work that you posted that I've missed? I'd love to see what the plan is for the statue to look like before I back.

Anonymous Prionyx September 29, 2017 10:18 PM  

Increasing the production run to 500 for better quality makes sense, and adding
numbering would be great.

...and I certainly wouldn't turn down an Alt★Hero logo t-shirt if you added that as a bonus for the first bunch of backers.

The info FreeStartr gives you is a little odd. They don't tell you your position in the campaign you backed, but instead give you the contribution number as it stands over ALL of the campaigns.

Blogger LP9 September 29, 2017 10:28 PM  

Great news.

Can we have a pyromanic girl or katana/switchblade girl?

Blogger The Observer September 29, 2017 10:32 PM  

Can we have a pyromanic girl or katana/switchblade girl?

I mean, there are 3 $5000 spots left...

Anonymous Anonymous September 29, 2017 11:02 PM  

Vox,

Rebel-level backer here. No problem increasing the order to 500. However, for the original 150 backers, an additional bonus that you may wish to consider, and which would not cost you anything (or at least not much), would be to have the first 150 statues signed by you, or, if that is not feasible, then have the paperback version of the comic autographed for the first 150 backers. That gives them an additional collectible that is unique (either a signed statue or a signes comic) and it costs you very little.

Something to consider.

All the best,

RD Miksa

Blogger Werekoala1066 September 29, 2017 11:04 PM  

$150 in the pot - let's make heads 'asplode!

Also - is it too late to change her name to Rebelle?

Blogger Brad Matthews September 29, 2017 11:16 PM  

If it reduces cost and improves quality, do it. I backed at that level to support your efforts, the statue was a bonus. The more the merrier, and merry minions create more mayhem.

Hardback upgrade option would be great.

Blogger Brad Matthews September 29, 2017 11:25 PM  

Spacebunny figurine already done

https://lovecrafted.ch/dh/kunst-keramik/89-space-bunny-gross.html

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 29, 2017 11:47 PM  

Werekoala1066 wrote:Also - is it too late to change her name to Rebelle?

Rebelle is trademarked for nerf weapons marketed to girls. It's probably not overlapping, and hence legit, to name a comic character the same, but why invite a court fight?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 30, 2017 4:28 AM  

Rebelle is trademarked for nerf weapons marketed to girls.

And also ... just no.

Anonymous kHz September 30, 2017 6:54 AM  

As a Rebelbacker, the numbered option seems a reasonable solution, though if the figurines are to be distinguished through boot colour then can we get the legit brown?

Will be purchasing the hardcover and an additional shirt anyway when available.

I'm just surprised there wasn't a tier between $150 and $2500.

Blogger daddynichol September 30, 2017 7:43 AM  

Markku wrote:Well, we almost certainly can't repeat the success of THIS crowdfunding campaign, because that was from the situation that there are no such comics vs. there is one such comic in the world. One vs. two, it's more difficult to energize people. So, my first inclination would be to see how well the actual unit sales, unassisted by the campaign go. That will give a better picture of the steady-state demand for this, and whether we should branch out to comics for good.

Fear not, my friend. Thomas Kincaide repeated his offers for his "art" and banked a lot of bucks. Alt*Hero will have no problem. Yours is worth owning.

Anonymous Causal Lurker September 30, 2017 8:38 AM  

Don't care that much, but thinking about it 150 sounded low for cost recovery on a production run. Maybe differentiate by making the first 150 numbering in a different ink color. I have a special location in my work bookcase for the figurine, where it won't be readily visible to casual visitors, and where the SHARP Nazis won't see and shriek.

Rebel will be hugely more triggering than an Ann Coulter action figure. I'm thinking Daisy Duke cutoffs and charm, but with Black Widow levels of speed and intensity. Pretty, powered and right? Just fine!

Daisy was character 4 or 5 on the original "Dukes of Hazard," but then her personality and character abilities just bubbled up to the top. Er, popped ... er, never mind. She was Daisy Duke, and made everything much more fun.

An extra T-shirt? Sure, I'll give it to my favorite nephew, and let him borrow the paperback. If his brothers complain, well I'll buy more.

Anonymous Osprey September 30, 2017 9:59 AM  

How tall will the figurine(s) be?

Blogger Markku September 30, 2017 10:08 AM  

Cost recovery would have been that we then have the model done, for just posing differently and possibly giving another weapon for an unlimited series figurine. We didn't anticipate that 500 would be a major line for the QUALITY of production.

Anonymous Strange Aeons September 30, 2017 12:04 PM  

I too, backed A☆H at the Rebel level and I am not bothered by more copies of the statue being out there. It means more support for the comic project, which is the priority. Statue rarity is secondary, although an accompanying Supreme Dark Lord autograph wouldn't go amiss.

Blogger Archimedes2017 September 30, 2017 1:18 PM  

Hi Vox, I am a $150 backer and I think I was number 77 or there about. I am not a big collector of figurines but, I do admit I was a little disappointed after the periscope when you explained the economics of figurine manufacturing. I don't know why but, it some how diminished the 'specialness' of being in the 150 figurine club. Now you need to invite 350 more? Then I was thinking this was a difficult decision for you and I shouldn't be greedy. I am weighing my personal feelings with the 'collective good' of Vox and the 350. So now my mind is reeling. How can I be made whole, how can there be an equitable solution to this social contract?

Your approval and acknowledgment means the world to me. I am a latecomer to your sphere of influence. Not having the opportunity to join the VFM, I buy your books and jump on the
live periscopes when the situation allows. I even comment online and get great joy when you repeat and answer.

So, like the Wizard of Oz, you can possibly provide, at little or no cost the the project, a signed certificate with the following "I hereby pronounce __________ an esteemed founding member of the 150 Rebel Figurine Club. Signed Vox Day _____________ on the __ day of _____ in the year of our Lord _____" as well as signing each of the figurines and numbering them.

Thus I will have achieved great specialness, even greater than the $5000 backers!

Blogger VD September 30, 2017 3:39 PM  

So, like the Wizard of Oz, you can possibly provide, at little or no cost the the project, a signed certificate with the following "I hereby pronounce __________ an esteemed founding member of the 150 Rebel Figurine Club. Signed Vox Day _____________ on the __ day of _____ in the year of our Lord _____" as well as signing each of the figurines and numbering them.

We can manage the certificate and the numbering, but not the signature.

Anonymous Rebel Yell September 30, 2017 3:55 PM  

Hi Vox, 150 Rebel Figurine backer here.

I was disappointed to see you increase the number of figurines being made, as the rarity was the primary reason I decided to purchase one.

However, I like the idea of numbering the figurines and differentiating the original 150 figurines in some way. I think incorporating some gold coloring somewhere on the 150 figurines would make them special and differentiate them from the extra 350 ones.

Above all else, make sure the figurines are high quality.

Blogger Archimedes2017 September 30, 2017 4:56 PM  

Fair enough

Anonymous Sunderr September 30, 2017 6:37 PM  

I'm fine with 500, I don't care at all. But I welcome an extra shirt and giving each figure a number.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 30, 2017 7:17 PM  

I'm really surprised you don't have a Rebel + hardback option at $195 (reflecting the difference between the paperback and hardback price).  Given the commentary thus far, this is a major omission.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 30, 2017 7:34 PM  

Ah, I see the problem.  You have no way to limit the offering to a set number if you have Rebel in 2 categories.

Rebel should have been her own offering at $120, either stand-alone or with a digital subscription.  Then people could have contributed for their desired hard-copies separately.

If you can accept the previous contributions but remove the $150 Rebel and add a new one, that would fix the issue.

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Blogger wreckage October 01, 2017 9:13 AM  

@54, Say's law. People don't know what they want until they see it; subsequent successes may even be larger.

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