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Tuesday, September 12, 2017

Real Alt Right

It's incredibly informative that one of the most devastating accusations that the Fake Right Swastika Wearing Jackasses can imagine is that I stand by my friends and allies. Pop quiz: what can we safely conclude about the socio-sexual rank of people who consider doing so to be, not only a negative, but one so damaging as to be meme-worthy?


Milo stood by me when I made a media misstep that angered people at Breitbart. I stood by Milo when the media attempted to crucify him for his Joe Rogan interview and he lost his book deal with Simon & Schuster. That's what friends and allies do, even when the other individual is flawed, imperfect, or behaves in a suboptimal manner. And only a fool or a social reject abandons people over mere differences of opinion or the occasional moral failure.

The responses were amusing.
Steve Autism‏@TruthNSausages
They DO know Vox was in the music business right?

Rusticus‏ @rusticusjunius
Wax Trax! Records for crying out loud.
To say nothing of TVT. Anyhow, it has become abundantly clear that we right-wing omni-nationalists are the Real Alternative Right, the True Right. Because the Fake Right Clowns are not of the Right, do not believe in the Right-Left spectrum, and even openly claim that the historical ideological Right is entirely irrelevant today. Which, of course, is precisely what makes them frauds and charlatans when they attempt to market themselves as "right-wing" in order to appeal to young conservatives and libertarians, as well as disenchanted young liberals and leftists.

The Fake Right is every bit as deceitful and false as CNN. And they utilize the same "guilt-by-association" tactics as the mainstream media.

As for me, you can always expect me to stand by my friends, allies, authors, and readers. Even when they make mistakes. Especially when they make mistakes.

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Blogger Wolfman at Large September 12, 2017 5:56 AM  

We're likely going to see the Alt-White slowly get pulled apart as the older members shift into an Alt-West stance and the younger or dumber members decay into Alt-Retardness in pursuit of recreating the high point of keks they got during the ascension of the God-Emperor. Very much like a heroin junkie chasing the dragon.

Blogger JACIII September 12, 2017 5:59 AM  

Threadwinner:
Sean‏ @SRFitzptrck 17m17 minutes ago
You lost me at "they do know..."

Blogger Phillip George September 12, 2017 5:59 AM  

Long time ago Vox but I only discovered that you existed by defending stuff that you said that was being quoted on FundiesSayTheDarndestThings.
It got to be I was defending you so often I thought I'd check out if you existed. Keep up the good work. ie. Occupy till He says stand down.

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 6:04 AM  

I am sure they are, right now, rubbing their fat, pasty hands together with gleeful anticipation of the damage this image will do to Vox's standing with "normies".

I proposed SJWs Always Fail. We've observed the commonalities between SJW-ism and the ~~Control Underwear by Swastique~~ brigade; and I ask: can this shared propensity for total self-destruction really be coincidence?

Anonymous Reader September 12, 2017 6:09 AM  

You don't have to unfriend him. A real friend is someone who is honest enough to tell your friend that his rationalization of paedophilia is wrong. Or maybe we missed that you told us that you told him paedophilia was always wrong and it's not just about differences in opinion. I can understand people without moral compass to consider paedophilia as just a matter of opinion.

I think that's what some of us are not happy about.

Blogger GraceIronwood September 12, 2017 6:12 AM  

just honin' some rhetoric of an evenin' ...

Blogger JACIII September 12, 2017 6:16 AM  

Reader wrote:You don't have to unfriend him. A real friend is someone who is honest enough to tell your friend that his rationalization of paedophilia is wrong. Or maybe we missed that you told us that you told him paedophilia was always wrong and it's not just about differences in opinion. I can understand people without moral compass to consider paedophilia as just a matter of opinion.

I think that's what some of us are not happy about.



Concern troll is concerned. Or stupid. I can't tell anymore.

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 6:18 AM  

A real friend is someone who is honest enough to tell your friend that his rationalization of paedophilia is wrong. Or maybe we missed that you told us that you told him paedophilia was always wrong and it's not just about differences in opinion.

Of course you missed what I told him. You missed absolutely everything that I told him. Because when I talk to my friends and allies, I talk to them, I don't put on a performance for the public in order to signal my virtue.

What part of "praise in public, criticize in private" do you not understand?

Anonymous Lulabelle September 12, 2017 6:22 AM  

"Concern troll is concerned. Or stupid. I can't tell anymore."

Or perhaps it's both.

Blogger James Dixon September 12, 2017 6:25 AM  

> Or maybe we missed that you told us that you told him paedophilia was always wrong and it's not just about differences in opinion.

What business of yours are the private discussions between Vox and Milo?

Blogger Koanic September 12, 2017 6:32 AM  

Contra the Stormpooper's poll showing Anglin won the debate 10:1, my unbiased poll at 29 votes shows Anglin winning at 2:1.

I judge this a win for Vox, since it was dialectic vs demagoguery, and we all know how time favors the Dark Lord.

Blogger Robert What? September 12, 2017 6:38 AM  

Vox, that's a great photo of you and Milo.

Anonymous Yann September 12, 2017 6:40 AM  

I feel curious about what Vox thinks about this video:

Gavin McInnes Perfectly explains the difference between Nazis & The Alt-Right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1CJ8JEccY

Blogger Sam Smith September 12, 2017 6:41 AM  

@VD I stood by Milo too - loyalty is to be commended - https://matthewhopkinsnews.com/?p=4691

Blogger Mountain Man September 12, 2017 6:45 AM  

The genuinely and sincerity, on the part of Vox is one of the reasons I've become a regular reader of this blog. Vox and the regular readers ( vfm,ilk etc...) are balanced, emotionally healthy men who are making a difference in the world at large. Outside of the Internet these are guys I would gladly do business with and maybe even socialize with. In short were dealing with a group of winners...and everyone loves being around winners.

Blogger ZhukovG September 12, 2017 6:45 AM  

And they accuse us of being old, out of touch, boomertards.

It should not be surprising that they use information from a Globalist Left hit job for this meme. The Fake-Right, Fake-Nationalists are Globalist Left dupes after all.

Anonymous vfm September 12, 2017 6:48 AM  

"What business of yours are the private discussions between Vox and Milo?"

Secret kings know secrets.

Anonymous Patron September 12, 2017 6:50 AM  

It's been amusing watching Ivan Throne toy with them on Gab the last few days. Wonder how long until they basically give up on Gab and retreat to the dark web.

Anonymous Strange Aeons September 12, 2017 6:53 AM  

I see the Swastiklowns meme about as well as the Left does.
Fake Right but the cringe is real...

Blogger John September 12, 2017 6:55 AM  

I am okay with homosexual acceptance, but we should never to condone sexual acts between same sexed people...

I am worried that Lauren Southern, Milo, etc, will attempt to corrode the traditionalist right-wing morality.

This will all be done under the guise of rationality...

"we must end identity politics and make the right accessible to the LGBT community!"

Translation:

"we must make the right accessible to moral degenerates which wish to corrupt our right wing morality and make sexual acts between same sex persons normal"

Anonymous Circumsucker September 12, 2017 6:56 AM  

I blame the Jews. They gotta vote for (((their goy))) so he can get his website back and play the "extreme opposition". It's a coordinated conspiracy direct from the Talmud.

Blogger Ken Prescott September 12, 2017 7:00 AM  

vfm wrote:"What business of yours are the private discussions between Vox and Milo?"

Secret kings know secrets.


Burn level: Hamburg 1943

Anonymous Baseball Savant September 12, 2017 7:01 AM  

This is one of the biggest things I've learned from VD or rather learned to do a lot better maybe. VD was right to point out my ignorance of the situation with Roosh. I read Roosh's book and it definitely changed my opinion. You have to stand up and support your allies. I have a gay colleague and while he's not the most conservative guy, he wants a lot of the same things I do so I fight like a tiger for that guy whenever there is a criticism. He's definitely a friend. He obviously knows my thoughts on homosexuality but neither he nor I let it affect our friendship.

Blogger Felix Bellator September 12, 2017 7:07 AM  

To quote Mrs. Bellaire after she watched Milo's BBC Berkley interview, "That man is welcome in my home anytime."

One should know one's allies and accept that you may have differences with them.

Anonymous rotekz September 12, 2017 7:15 AM  

Have you seen the shit the reichtards are giving Baked Alaska? He's started a relationship with Laura Loomer when she was visiting him in hospital after his mace eye damage.

He has renounced them and says he is coming back to god.

Blogger AdognamedOp September 12, 2017 7:17 AM  

Gay. Just straight up, 90\s new wave album cover type gay.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 12, 2017 7:22 AM  

rotekz wrote:Have you seen the shit the reichtards are giving Baked Alaska? He's started a relationship with Laura Loomer when she was visiting him in hospital after his mace eye damage.

He has renounced them and says he is coming back to god.


As has been pointed out. The alt-retard are crypto-SJWs. They are the first to complain about "shooting right" but are always the first to engage in it. Particularly since their position on the spectrum is to the left of Democrats.

Blogger Roy Baker September 12, 2017 7:29 AM  

"Pop quiz: what can we safely conclude about the socio-sexual rank"



If you criticize me its because you can't get laid.

Rolling on the floor laughing.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 12, 2017 7:36 AM  

Rolling on the floor laughing.

By yourself?

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 7:52 AM  

I saw the video where Andrew Anglin comments about his "jailbait girlfriend". However, he's clearly joking, and she is observably post-pubescent.

So, let's not descend to their level of libel. It's not as if there is a dearth of legitimate ammunition at our disposal.

Blogger Nate September 12, 2017 7:53 AM  

@28

***ahem***

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/141011124/how-do-we-solve-the-altright-problem

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 12, 2017 7:54 AM  

Maybe I'm ignorant AF but I heard Milo's commentary on Rogan and have yet to locate any endorsement of pedophilia. In my mind, he qualified his commentary in meaningful ways. Egg McMuffin, Reagan Battalion, and in some ways, Jake Tapper hyped it up in dishonest ways. Furthermore, think about the names I just mentioned and who is using their interpretation. Indeed I'm on the outside looking in but I am of the opinion that the characterization of Milo's commentary are, at best, dishonest.

And another thing, Milo played a meaningful role advancing the ball down field. That alone should be enough. Going after dude on what I think are dishonest accusations are, in my opinion, dismissing Lawrence Taylor because he has substance abuse issues. So what. The dude does great work.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2017 7:54 AM  

It's especially ridiculous when you consider how many of the Alt-Retard leaders turn out to have non-white, even Jewish, love interests. You've never shouted "gas the gays," after all.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 12, 2017 7:55 AM  

I am starting to wonder if the AltReichtards are not on a secret mission to force the honest atheiests to cry out to God for deliverence from them.

Blogger Todd Brown September 12, 2017 7:55 AM  

You are fucking unbelievable, Vox. There are people who are not defending you that AREN'T part of your "alt-reich".

Those are the people you've truly alienated with your petty catfight. Your high IQ didn't come with a speck of self-awareness.

Blogger Stilicho September 12, 2017 7:59 AM  

Curious that the creator of that meme would fixate on the fact that Vox has a friend.

Blogger maniacprovost September 12, 2017 8:06 AM  

I don't see how you can be "alienated" by a "petty catfight." If you didn't know that Vox is needlessly vindictive, you're not a TruFan.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 12, 2017 8:08 AM  

@Todd Brown. Overt ego signalling is proof of non-gamma.

Blogger Quilp September 12, 2017 8:12 AM  

@38I have to believe this is clear indication you have nowhere else to go. Outside of a few small sites, no one even knows this current fight is going on. But here's the thing, When its over, everyone will still know who Milo is, While the only thing people will still know about you is that you are National Socialists. Grown men who like to frolic & Larp, claiming socialism isn't left wing, and will most likely call you a jew if you question even the slightest detail of their ideology. Oh they might also claim you are old...boy that one really stings.

So while you are busy screaming "gay jew, everyone is thinking to themselves: closeted Nazi. But do carry on.

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 8:13 AM  

You are fucking unbelievable, Vox. There are people who are not defending you that AREN'T part of your "alt-reich".

So? Most of the world is not defending me. Most of the world has never heard of me. So what?

Those are the people you've truly alienated with your petty catfight. Your high IQ didn't come with a speck of self-awareness.

Your solipsism is amusing. You are mistaking a lack of concern for a lack of awareness. I know I am alienating some people. I simply do not care.

If you didn't know that Vox is needlessly vindictive, you're not a TruFan.

It's like they don't know me at all. I don't seek to win. I seek to vanquish. There is a difference.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar September 12, 2017 8:14 AM  

Thanks VOX.

Make Alt-Right Great Again.

Blogger Elocutioner September 12, 2017 8:16 AM  

Todd Brown wrote:Those are the people you've truly alienated with your petty catfight.

That was the point - we WANT to alienate the Alt-Retards. You clueless "high IQ" morons sitting there tut-tutting "that's not who we are" have missed that Vox has been methodically exorcising the left's vanguard entryists from the Alt-Right. The Nazi Question is being answered now rather than letting it fester and grow. That you think this was a "petty catfight" shows you're either not tall enough for this ride or you're not one of us.

You really should read this (pay special attention to points 3 and 12) - http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html

Blogger Sillon Bono September 12, 2017 8:18 AM  

This is from the Stormer:

Will Jennifer Lawrence be able to resist fighting back against PewDiePie?

Because by any objective measure, he is a bigger star than her. He is definitely better liked. And he will definitely last longer.

She was only famous because of her perfect face, which is now already getting old-looking.

PewDiePie is famous because of his perfect ideology, Nazism: something that never gets old.

There is no match here.


Here Mr Anglin doing exactly the same thing that got him kicked off the internet.

He's saying that PewDiePie is a Nazi or a supporter of Nazi ideology.

I guess that what they attempt is to pervert language in a similar fashion to what the left does, and equate "Criticism of the narrative" (what PewDiePie does) with Nazism so everything the left disagrees with is Nazism and normies stop shrieking when they hear the word "Nazi".

But so far what they are doing is making people who were sympathetic to their cause run away scared. Case in point Cloudflare.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2017 8:20 AM  

I think that's what some of us are not happy about.

I don't think any of the people who will be passing this meme around are unhappy about Vox's friendship with Milo at all. They're glad because they think it gives them a weapon. As far as homosexuality goes, I get the impression from their own writing that they admire homosexuality, at least a certain idealized vision of it, or are neutral toward it at worst.

If you want to find an argument that maybe right-wing men should go gay rather than get involved with women who could weaken their ideological purity in modern feminized society, you'll have to go to alt-Retard for that. You won't find it here.

So they don't hate Milo for being gay, but they might hate him for not being their gay.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 12, 2017 8:22 AM  

Here is an article from the old Captain in which he provides statistical data which seems to indicate "...that the Nazis were indeed socialists."

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2015/03/were-nazis-national-socialists-socialist.html

Anonymous vfm September 12, 2017 8:22 AM  

Swastikas check!

Jew hating check!

Leftard projection check!

Liars check!

Shoots altright check!

Gay hating check!

What's next vegetarianism?


Anonymous VFM #6306 September 12, 2017 8:24 AM  

Are you named for the shirt, Todd?

Blogger JDC September 12, 2017 8:32 AM  

Those are the people you've truly alienated with your petty catfight. Your high IQ didn't come with a speck of self-awareness.

What part of "we don't care" don't they understand? I guess they are secretly so afraid of being alienated that they project that fear onto everybody else. Being alienated by idiots is actually a good thing.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2017 8:32 AM  

I heard Milo's commentary on Rogan and have yet to locate any endorsement of pedophilia.

Because there wasn't any. There was a man who endured homosexual abuse as a teen, showing a very typical reluctance to call it abuse and name his abusers, because of the mental reframing victims do to defend themselves against reality. He didn't "endorse" anything, and in fact did the opposite.

I suspect most of the people accusing him of it know that they're lying, but they hate him, so who cares. The rest have swallowed and repeated a media slander without bothering to check for themselves, which isn't really any better.

Anonymous vfm September 12, 2017 8:35 AM  

"Oh they might also claim you are old...boy that one really stings."

Meanwhile they embrace a 20th century loser ideology and quote people from centuries and even millennia ago. Yeah about that "self awareness".

"The Nazi Question is being answered now rather than letting it fester and grow."

The NQ nice one. Yeah but they're "Neo" nazis so they must be better this time.

Blogger DeploraBard September 12, 2017 8:35 AM  

Man, after reading here for 12 years, that meme really had me on the fence. Very persuasive.

Blogger Eric Wilson September 12, 2017 8:36 AM  

I guess I just don't see the endgame here. I would like to defend VD but won't because this whole thing just seems really inexplicably weird.

Blogger Shimshon September 12, 2017 8:36 AM  

@42 Elocutioner:

"You really should read this..."

I think you meant this:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/11/alt-right-what-it-is.html

They can be both not tall enough for this ride and not one of us (hello fellow white people).

Blogger John September 12, 2017 8:40 AM  

@deplorabard

what are your thoughts on this?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJe7oA6UMAEI4QI.jpg:large

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 8:41 AM  

I guess I just don't see the endgame here. I would like to defend VD but won't because this whole thing just seems really inexplicably weird.

Maybe we're planning to add a Twitter component to Infogalactic and are taking out a potential competitor in preparation?

All the various conspiracy theories flying around and no one even managed to produce that one? See, I can even criticize myself better than my critics.

Blogger DeploraBard September 12, 2017 8:43 AM  

Moat of their stuff is very funny. What gets me is the inabilty/desire to move on to more productive pursuits. As they age, pass the meming on to the youth and get involved in real world activities that will matter. Deliberately getting into street Brawls is not productive. Anglin abd crew do write and blog, but it is obsessed do with the Jews. They are not the only group subverting traditional values.

Blogger DeploraBard September 12, 2017 8:45 AM  

Damn this phone can mess up grammar

Blogger Eric Wilson September 12, 2017 8:45 AM  

Meh but you and the Gab guys had always been so chummy. Heck you were touting Gab like you were one of the co-founders. That would go against yourself re: the topic of this very post.

I guess you could have had a falling out with the Gab guys, but then why drag Anglin into it and make it about who is truly and properly "on the right?"

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 8:45 AM  

what are your thoughts on this?

It's a Venetian mask. Venetian masks have been decorated with spirals for centuries.

If there is any connection, it runs the other way. The modern "Eyes Wide Shut" crowd adopted masks in imitation of the Venetian tradition.

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 8:45 AM  

"You clueless "high IQ" morons sitting there tut-tutting "that's not who we are" have missed that Vox has been methodically exorcising the left's vanguard entryists from the Alt-Right."

You don't need to be Mensa material to spot that.

Blogger Elocutioner September 12, 2017 8:46 AM  

@Shimson - Good call, thanks.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 12, 2017 8:46 AM  

@54 Those two symbols have as much in common as the Mercedes Benz symbol does with the peace symbol. They are completely different from one another.

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 8:47 AM  

I guess you could have had a falling out with the Gab guys, but then why drag Anglin into it and make it about who is truly and properly "on the right?"

Have a look at the cesspool into which he and his crew are transforming Gab and then reconsider the question.

Anonymous Clay September 12, 2017 8:47 AM  

I don't know exactly how many years I've been reading and posting here, but, I suppose I've exceeded my limit in the forgiveness category.

Thanks, Vox.

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 8:49 AM  

@55 but isn't the monetary motivation a bit... Jewish?

OH MY GOD
(((VOX)))

Blogger Paulie Boy September 12, 2017 8:50 AM  

It would be interesting fo know the average age of readers vs those of the Daily Stormer.

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 8:51 AM  

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Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 12, 2017 8:51 AM  

@65 Milo was talking about something he did. He was not speaking of the practice in general. If you want to get on his case about being with an older man at the age of 13 then that's fair. However, don't depict this to be about Milo saying that men should pursue 13 year olds, he never did that. Those are two completely different things.

Blogger Eric Wilson September 12, 2017 8:53 AM  

I don't really use Gab, so I couldn't say. In the beginning when I sort of used it, it seemed very sycophanty in a pro-Trump kind of way. Which is fine, but was a bit boring. So if it's a bit sycophanty in a pro-Anglin way now, well I don't really care. I've never read Anglin, but if his people want to go somewhere like Gab after he has been deemed an unperson by the Internet, well, speak freely.

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 8:54 AM  

The Nazi obsession with older men is, again, symptomatic.

That we are talking about an alarming statistical cluster of boys with absent or abusive father figures is the only possible explanation for the near-identical patterns of behaviour from one random sample Nazi to another.

The exact same situation that drove Hitler into a bizarre parody of manhood, not to mention his homosexual experimentation.

Blogger DeploraBard September 12, 2017 8:55 AM  

John,
Vox beat me to it. He certainly didn't adopt the symbol because of the spiral beard. It is very difficult to pause emotion and change your mind. Learning that skill allows people to make huge leaps in wisdom and personal growth. That may not apply to you, but by finding such a small thing and saying "What about this...gotcha" means your mind may already be decided.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2017 8:56 AM  

He's saying that PewDiePie is a Nazi or a supporter of Nazi ideology.

Which isn't true. He's a streamer who says politically incorrect things, and he's slipped in a couple of doozies lately: one involving some Nazi imagery and one using the n-word. He apologized for the latter as soon as he said it, and the former was obviously intended as a joke. He's the perfect example of the person who's young enough to have missed the full Holocaust indoctrination, so he doesn't see why some things should be off-limits for humor. There's no reason to think that makes him a "supporter" of anything. But they're trying to make him one by driving his normie audience away from him, so the Nazis all he has left.

It's the same thing the Anglins are doing to Gab right now, actually: crap up the site with Nazi-all-the-time until everyone else goes away, so Gab will see the Nazis as its only loyal users.

With friends like these....

Blogger Chris Mallory September 12, 2017 8:57 AM  



Building an entire public persona around being a "dangerous sodomite" is not an "occasional moral failure".

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 8:59 AM  

Just ignore the guy who keeps going on about Milo. He's spammed.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2017 9:00 AM  

What part of "we don't care" don't they understand?

They're literally incapable of understanding that anyone could truly not care. When you say, "We don't care," they hear empty boasting, and they think, "They're still pretending not to care, so we need to keep attacking until it shows."

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 9:00 AM  

@73, we don't judge you for being obsessed with any figure called "Father".

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 9:01 AM  

well, speak freely.

Defamation is not free speech. Extortion is not free speech. Death threats are not free speech. Legal concepts are not defined by marketing slogans.

This isn't that hard. How low is your IQ that you cannot grasp the simple concept that an appeal to free speech is not a defense for things that are not, and have never been, free speech?

Unlike most of you, I have read A History of Freedom of Thought by JB Bury. Free speech has never meant "say absolutely anything you like without consequence".

Blogger horsewithnonick September 12, 2017 9:02 AM  

If Vox and Milo had that conversation, what makes you think either of them would feel the need to go public with it?

Blogger S1AL September 12, 2017 9:03 AM  

"How low is your IQ that you cannot grasp the simple concept that an appeal to free speech is not a defense for things that are not, and have never been, free speech?"

Probably about 88.

Blogger David Power September 12, 2017 9:03 AM  

As the Jesuit observed:"Without courage, wisdom bears no fruit."- Baltasar Gracian

If we do lose the battle for western civilisation and descend back into a new dark age, it will be for the want of brave people willing to place themselves in physical peril on behalf of truth.

It won't be for the want of on-line bloggers hunkered down in foreign safe-space hideaways.

Have an IQ as high as you like, without courage, you are lost.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 12, 2017 9:04 AM  

@74 I apologize. I lost control and couldn't restrain the tendency to assail. Next time I'll do a better job at avoiding the "poop".

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 9:05 AM  

SJWs have been saying forever that saying "My religion forbids homosexual intercourse" is the same thing as making death threats or committing libel, and now the pasty faced master race says the same thing.

Coincidence, of course.

Blogger Eric Wilson September 12, 2017 9:06 AM  

Well defamation is a very high bar here in America. I understand Gab isn't registered here, etc. I've given my two cents and will leave it at that. Thanks for the replies, VD.

Blogger Nate September 12, 2017 9:08 AM  

all this handwringing about alienation.

its like watching a tumor complain that the surgeon is unfairly removing it.

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 9:08 AM  

@83 if the IQ88's were smart enough to recognize typical symptoms of abuse in Milo, they'd be smart enough to recognize it in their own ranks.

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 9:09 AM  

Well defamation is a very high bar here in America.

That is incorrect. It depends upon the specific defamation and it depends on the jurisdiction.

I understand Gab isn't registered here, etc.

That is incorrect. Gab is incorporated and registered in Travis County, Texas.

Blogger James September 12, 2017 9:12 AM  

Do Vox Day & Milo remind anyone else of Grant & Sherman. Sherman said that his friend Grant stood by him when he was crazy and he stood by Grant when he was drunk, and that's what made them a great team. Me, I love the smell of Kek-onite® in the morning.
And where else on the interwebs can I find quotations of Baltasar Gracian?
"Without courage, wisdom bears no fruit."
Indeed.

Anonymous Grayman September 12, 2017 9:12 AM  

The high time preference in the diversity is a bitch!!!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-11/all-food-gone-violence-erupts-caribbean-island-st-martin


Hurricane Irma ravaged the Caribbean islands last week and wiped entire islands off the map. Now that the food and water have been scavenged from every grocery store on St. Martin, people are resorting to violence.

Blogger Eric Wilson September 12, 2017 9:13 AM  

S1AL and wreckage. My point is that this is the first time I think VD's moves are backfiring with bystanders. He has said he doesn't care, so I don't either. I have not given a single word of praise to Anglin here. You can insulate yourselves like this or work to convince others of your points. But coming at me like that when I am VFM #0242?

Blogger Nate September 12, 2017 9:17 AM  

"That is incorrect. It depends upon the specific defamation and it depends on the jurisdiction."

Texas has a some seriously bizarre laws.

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 9:18 AM  

My point is that this is the first time I think VD's moves are backfiring with bystanders.

Which is an amusing observation, considering how so many more people of the Alt-Lite variety are very happy to see me exposing the Fake Right. Your point isn't even consistent with the Fake Right's complaint that I'm criticizing them in order to gain more popularity and "grub shekels".

But coming at me like that when I am VFM #0242?

Your obedience was insufficiently mindless. You should be thankful I did not see the need to summon Malwyn.

Blogger Michael Neal September 12, 2017 9:18 AM  

I don't think being courageous requires us to become Nazis. They already helped destroy western civilization in Europe now they are doing a fine job in America. Fuck off!

Blogger S1AL September 12, 2017 9:18 AM  

@Eric -

It was punning on 1488, not personal. I didn't even know who he was quoting.

Blogger Eraser September 12, 2017 9:19 AM  

You know, I disagree with a lot of things VD says (genetic determinism, glorifying Breivik, and so on). However, anyone who regularly attracts ankle-biting criticism is worth at least listening to.

Vox is in that list. So are Nassim Taleb and a few others.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 12, 2017 9:22 AM  

Milo is just setting up gays for the critique they need and frankly deserve.

FTR I have long been for gay "liberation" being that the old screaming and shrieking "faggot" at them has had no effect save negative.

If you were a gay political thought leader who would you create for an opposition?

Blogger David Power September 12, 2017 9:23 AM  

Degenerate sodomy fetish aside, Milo does possess two admirable qualities our esteemed host patently lacks.

A sense of humour is one of them.

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 9:26 AM  

@89; the comment order is seriously jacked up due to deletions, so I'm deleting my posts that aren't pointed at the right person anymore. 88, HH, IQ 88 = the Nazi clowns running around smearing the walls with feces.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 12, 2017 9:26 AM  

Do Vox Day & Milo remind anyone else of Grant & Sherman.

Now that's defamation

Blogger Nate September 12, 2017 9:27 AM  

"A sense of humour is one of them. "

nonsense. Vox has a sense of humour... its just a very black sense of humour. Usually for Vox to think its funny... someone has to die.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2017 9:28 AM  

all-food-gone-violence-erupts-caribbean-island-st-martin

Less than 24 hours after Irma hit Florida, leftists were already saying you're a racist if you criticize looters for doing what they have to do. It's a South Park episode come to life: the one where the townspeople get snowed in with a Hollywood film crew, so they immediately panic from hunger and resort to eating the film crew even though they just had lunch.

Blogger James September 12, 2017 9:29 AM  

Josh: "Do Vox Day & Milo remind anyone else of Grant & Sherman.
Now that's defamation" Ha ha, very funny. Of course I meant that in the way which I specified, i.e. standing by a friend when they are drunk and/or crazy. I am not necessarily condoning Cold Harbor and/or Marching to the Sea. But maybe I am, because how are we going to save Western Civilization without a few Cold Harbors and several Marches to the Sea?

Blogger DeploraBard September 12, 2017 9:29 AM  

Gracian is one of my favorites

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 9:33 AM  

A sense of humour is one of them.

I have a sense of humor. And I think all the shrieking and protesting and whining on the part of the brave Stormtroopers of the master race is very funny indeed. Especially given that they are whining about something a) I was told to do and b) I told them I would do.

The petition is signed. It will be published this week. The legal process will unfold. We will see what happens. And then we will react accordingly.

Anonymous BBGKB September 12, 2017 9:34 AM  

Rolling on the floor laughing. By yourself?

That explains the Mexican earthquake.

Those two symbols have as much in common as the Mercedes Benz symbol does with the peace symbol. They are completely different from one another

After the symbols were published here I went and looked thru my closets and found a rainbow shirt with the reversed/mirror image of that symbol on it that I believe I bought in DC. I wont wear it anymore as it likely is connected.

leftists were already saying you're a racist if you criticize looters for doing what they have to do

I am not a good enough survivalist to know the edible parts of sneakers & big screen TVs, maybe David the Good's next book could teach us.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 12, 2017 9:35 AM  

Hey, yeah Vox, this is the first time ever that ignorant bystanders have ever misunderstood you.

I mean, except for Trump, Cernovich, Free Trade, Milo, 4GW, Hugos, SFWA, inflation, Scalzi, Calvinism, Atheism, Neconservatism, the Trinity, the socio-sexual hierarchy, West Coast Invasion, CAIR, Afghanistan, 9/11, umbrella drinks, 97% of your blog posts and probably Pac-Man.

Blogger Rabbi B September 12, 2017 9:38 AM  

@105 VFM #6306

Hey, yeah Vox, this is the first time ever that ignorant bystanders have ever misunderstood you.

Yes, I am sure Vox loses copious amounts of sleep wishing more people understood him.

Will these morons ever get over themselves? I suspect not.

Blogger horsewithnonick September 12, 2017 9:39 AM  

"Knocking him down won the first fight. I wanted to win all the next ones, too. So they’d leave me alone."

Anonymous BBGKB September 12, 2017 9:46 AM  

News story says Milo lost his roof. Why would Milo have a house in Miami didn't anyone tell him Miami gays have been fleeing non Asian minority violence there since Versace's time?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/right-wing-blogger-milo-yiannopoulos-11147840

Blogger Elocutioner September 12, 2017 9:48 AM  

"You have to answer for what your ally said." Gee, where have I seen that tactic before...

Blogger DJ | AMDG September 12, 2017 9:49 AM  

90s New Wave?

smh...

Anonymous Circumsucker September 12, 2017 9:51 AM  

Oy veyyyyy, I love the constant menorah-washing of history. Reminds me of my favorite guide... er... novel, yes, novel... 1984

http://dailysignal.com/2017/09/08/religious-tests-public-office-unacceptable-period/

Blogger August September 12, 2017 9:54 AM  

I don't know about Anglin, but I think a lot of that crowd is just trying co-opt leftists, not conservatives. They lust after the Bernie voters, and wave things like socialize healthcare around- you can have this, they say, but America needs to be white.

There are also the Alt-leftists who are probably going to rebrand to Alt-dissident since Trump screwed up their branding. Some of those guys are seriously National Socialist- the system, not the accoutrements. In any case, they are generally for even more big government stuff- even universal income.

Blogger Nate September 12, 2017 9:57 AM  

"They lust after the Bernie voters,"

Didn't bernie describe himself as a national socialist?

Blogger tuberman September 12, 2017 9:59 AM  

Quote from Col. John Boyd:
"....what is needed is a vision rooted in human nature so noble, so attractive that it not only attracts the uncommitted and magnifies the strength and spirit of the adherents, but also undermines the dedication and determination of any competitors or adversaries."

In modern 4GW morals and moral are critical, and today people need a "unifying notion" which acts as a beacon.

Christian Western Civilization is that unifier... Nazi fails.

Blogger rumpole5 September 12, 2017 10:02 AM  

VD and Milo both worship at the altar of TRUTH. Whatever their other human failings are. That puts them in pretty good company and msy Godspeed both thier paths. By the way, I would be honored to be at either's side in any public place or photo.

Anonymous Move to Montana if you care so fucking much September 12, 2017 10:03 AM  

Why are two Europeans jockeying to be the voice of the American right?

Fix your own countries. Stop using ours to make your points.

Blogger James Dixon September 12, 2017 10:15 AM  

> Yes - We see how loyal Vox is to his friend, Andrew Torba, as Vox subpoenas Gab

Which Torba told him to do. But you want to ignore that, don't you?

Blogger Ransom Smith September 12, 2017 10:16 AM  

I always thought Vox was jealous of Milo's hair?

Milo does have {ahem} fabulous hair.

Anonymous Avalanche September 12, 2017 10:18 AM  

@5 his rationalization of paedophilia is wrong.

Milo did NOT "rationalize" pedophilia (got that from the MSM, did yah?). He (as many, probably most, abused children do!) "rationalized" that the horrible thing (the attack he was UNABLE to stop or prevent) that happened to him as a helpless kid was "NOT a horrible thing that happened to him that he was entirely unable to protect himself from"; but rather '...Uhhhh, I guess it "must have been" a kinda-sorta-horrible thing I kinda-sorta WANTED to happen to me, and look! I'm okay! Maybe I even benefited from it!" (You DO know people lie to themselves, right?! Especially CHILDREN trying to make sense of horrible things!?)

Because otherwise, or else (as a CHILD!) he would have had to face -- and deal with -- the fact that he was entirely helpless! That, in absolute fact, he COULD NOT protect himself from "kindly Father Mike, whom NO ONE could possible believe was diddling kiddies!" (Go read up about Viet Nam prisoners of war-- and the horrific ways they had to 'justify' to themselves surviving just one more day...)

You're clearly NOT a father -- or maybe it's not self-reflective enough -- to realize that "rationalizing away" the ACTUALLY horrific ATTACK on a child's essential SELF is the way any child protect himself (or herself) for recognizing that what happened was NOT in ANY way that child's fault.

And Milo's reactions and follow-ons merely show that HE is still dealing with recognizing and accepting the terribly painful damage done to him by "kindly Father Mike."

Anonymous Ain September 12, 2017 10:19 AM  

"I judge this a win for Vox, since it was dialectic vs demagoguery, and we all know how time favors the Dark Lord."

I'm not an expert at formal debate rules, but when one side doesn't even address the topic, insists on reading an unrelated letter that his friends wrote, and then declares that he doesn't understand the topic, it seems like a forfeit.

Anonymous Grayman September 12, 2017 10:24 AM  

@100 Cali



Just feedin my lil onez some nikez an shit, they gottza eat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEsEW-shTjo

Now if we could just get those damn whites to stop looting!!!

Blogger James September 12, 2017 10:24 AM  

"Maybe you can debate Vox on the subject? "

You are so stupid you don't realize that the issue here is loyalty to a good friend in the face of vicious and unfair attacks, not the "fine points" of political arguments. I can perfectly understand supporting Milo even though his honest and heart felt testimony explains a lot of what I don't like about homosexuality. I can hate the sodomy and love the sodomite, capisce?

Blogger slarrow September 12, 2017 10:27 AM  

Steve Bannon said of Trump on 60 Minutes: "When you side with a man, you side with him." That's what Vox has done with Milo and his other allies.

Who knew loyalty would be such an archaic concept to these dolts?

Blogger tuberman September 12, 2017 10:41 AM  

All the trolls know is attrition, or attack, attack, attack... AS THEY STAND FOR NOTHING. Attrition is tactics and not strategic, losing tactics.

Blogger pdwalker September 12, 2017 10:49 AM  

And here I was thinking that VD only respected Milo for his fabulous (and I mean fabulous!) hair.

Now that I think of it, Roosh has been sporting an epic beard recently... hmmmm....

Blogger tuberman September 12, 2017 10:50 AM  

If one goes out on the Alt-Lite and Civic Nationalist site with politically active people, the contempt for Spencer, Enoch, AA, and the rest of the alt-reich is off the charts.Most of these people (the smart ones) will be forced Alt-Right, but they are not going Nazi. It's not 1933.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 12, 2017 10:51 AM  

Torba's in Austin? Interesting. Maybe we could go hang out, listen to CD's, air hockey, etc.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright September 12, 2017 10:51 AM  

Very glad you're on the Milo side. Not the Nazi side. ;-)

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 12, 2017 10:53 AM  

Fetch the cat o' nine tails. And the comfy pillows, of course. We have three weapons...

Anonymous fop September 12, 2017 10:53 AM  

Father Michael is still abusing young boys. Those Hollywood execs are still abusing young boys.

Do the right thing, Milo.

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. Jam 4:17

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 12, 2017 10:54 AM  

He also hates Blazing Saddles. WTF

Blogger Wynn Lloyd September 12, 2017 10:57 AM  

Exactly. There's no need to broadcast that discussion.

Milo is a survivor of pedophilia. To a certain extent some elements of Stockholm Syndrome should be expected. It's not good, but it is realistic. Victims of abuse often subconsciously attempt to rationalize away what has happened to them.

You can't use that to judge someone, if you're remotely objective. There are mitigating factors that prevent victims of abuse from thinking about and discussing their abusers in a rational way. It's extremely cruel to condemn them for it.

Milo is a great human being. He has red-pilled millions. Vox is a brilliant thinker, CH a brilliant social critic, but Milo is a charismatic "face" of the movement. Or he was before purity-spiraling people started banishing him to the "alt-light."


The alt-Reich has been so polarizing and such a negative force for the entire movement; let's hope at least some will see the light after reading Vox. Especially the younger ones who don't have a frame of reference due to age.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 12, 2017 11:01 AM  

It must be the fabulous hair that makes Milo look taller.

Blogger David Power September 12, 2017 11:02 AM  



@VD "I have a sense of humor.

No you do not. And worse still, you have a gaping blind-spot in place of one.

"And I think all the shrieking and protesting and whining on the part of the brave Stormtroopers of the master race is very funny indeed."

While pigeon-holing your critics may be convenient and comforting, it is also lazy and self-deceiving.

Many of the people (myself included) who believe your current position is an absurd, petty and ultimately counter productive over-reaction, have no affiliation with the site you are alluding to.

"My instinct, when faced with a seemingly indomitable enemy of boundless malevolence for me and my kind, is to praise potential allies when they deserve my praise, and to ignore or chide them in good cheer when they stray too far off the realtalk reservation.

But never will I rage at them with the passion I save for my true enemy, Anti-White Leftoid Equalism.

Excusing one’s worst enemy while disingenuously railing against one’s occasionally intemperate allies is the way of the cuck. Do leftoids ever do this with their zealots? No.

The Right could learn a thing or two from the Left.

For this reason, I support Anglin despite my stylistic differences with him"
CH.

Put your ego to one side, allow yourself a belly laugh, and redirect your fire towards the people who have their knee on the throat of the country you used to call home.

Anonymous johnc September 12, 2017 11:08 AM  

I am worried that ... Milo, etc, will attempt to corrode the traditionalist right-wing morality.

They're Fake Right. They believe in moral anarchy.

Towards the end of the campaign, Breitbart was just impossible to read anymore. It was around-the-clock stories about how you have to be against the Muslim invasion because it's bad for the gays. It got a lot better after Milo left.

Blogger Rabbi B September 12, 2017 11:15 AM  

@David Power

While pigeon-holing your critics may be convenient and comforting, it is also lazy and self-deceiving.

You pigeon-holed yourselves. You certainly don't need our help. You're a bunch of mentally incontinent cosplaying clowns that no one will ever take seriously.

Blogger Ingot9455 September 12, 2017 11:16 AM  

If you think a subpoena 'endangers your life's work' you have no experience in business.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 12, 2017 11:19 AM  

"And only a fool or a social reject abandons people over mere differences of opinion or the occasional moral failure.'

Eh. Not unless you can afford to, but, since presently we need all the help we can get, we're not yet in the position for a good back-stab yet.

Blogger The Rev September 12, 2017 11:19 AM  

"Not a Nazi." Wife is a blonde. SMH.

Blogger Koanic September 12, 2017 11:19 AM  

> I'm not an expert at formal debate rules

I do not think they're even aware that debate can have formal rules.

Blogger S1AL September 12, 2017 11:23 AM  

"You pigeon-holed yourselves. You certainly don't need our help. You're a bunch of mentally incontinent cosplaying clowns that no one will ever take seriously."

They really don't understand that, if we did take their posturing seriously, the shooting would have already started.

---

"Put your ego to one side, allow yourself a belly laugh, and redirect your fire towards the people who have their knee on the throat of the country you used to call home."

1) CH is already a pseudo-socialist who has alluded to his desire to double down on nanny-state policies.

2) Waaanglin isn't on the right. He's just an enemy of Western Civilization in a different form.

Blogger The Rev September 12, 2017 11:23 AM  

"My child, taking pictures with friends is a grave, grave sin, unforgivable in all circumstances. Now go say 100 Hail Moseses."

Blogger JohnofAustria September 12, 2017 11:25 AM  

I actually commend you for sticking by Milo, but I think you're wrong about the reasons why the Alt-Right isn't "right." The one directional axis certainly is outdated, and even people like Z-man have talked about that. I mean, the left has weaponized private property, and are creating techno-feudal economies. The trad Ayn Rand style of right wing isn't feasible anymore, and doesn't fit the structure of the world anymore. Tech changed everything.

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 11:27 AM  

No you do not. And worse still, you have a gaping blind-spot in place of one.

Oh, okay then.

Many of the people (myself included) who believe your current position is an absurd, petty and ultimately counter productive over-reaction, have no affiliation with the site you are alluding to.

People who know me so well that they openly claim I have no sense of humor. See, I don't care what those people think. At all.

Put your ego to one side, allow yourself a belly laugh, and redirect your fire towards the people who have their knee on the throat of the country you used to call home.

You just said I don't have a sense of humor. Sweet St. Darwin, but you people are stupid! And you really wonder why I don't care what you think?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 12, 2017 11:27 AM  

Milo was a victim of a media hit job, pure and simple. Even those on the right who don't support him personally and don't agree with his values should use an opportunity like that to attack the leftist media rather than help them destroy their targets.

Blogger JohnofAustria September 12, 2017 11:28 AM  

There's nothing inherently polarizing about the Alt-right, unless you are determined not to get tarred by the left as people you see as the bad guys. It's only possible if you buy their moral framing.

Blogger S1AL September 12, 2017 11:28 AM  

"The trad Ayn Rand style of right wing isn't feasible anymore, and doesn't fit the structure of the world anymore. Tech changed everything."

You know... there're right wing positions that long precede Rand. The world didn't start last century.

Anonymous I'm Not A Nazi, Socialism Is Evil September 12, 2017 11:29 AM  

"Here Mr Anglin doing exactly the same thing that got him kicked off the internet.

He's saying that PewDiePie is a Nazi or a supporter of Nazi ideology."

He is also quite possibly doing the same thing that got PewDiePie kicked off Disney.
Sure, maybe if you have millions of YouTube subscribers, you should never ever mention Nazis, because somebody could cut you out of context and pretend you're supporting Nazism.

But you know what makes that even more likely?

A Neo-Nazi website pointing to every time you indirectly refer to Nazis, and say "See, look, he's desensitizing children to Nazi imagery! He's secretly one of us!"

Like, for instance, the time he did a video sifting through user-generated content, and he showed a few examples where people made swastikas and said "stop making swastikas," and titled the video "STOP DOING THIS!!!" and the Daily Stormer did an article saying "He's putting swastikas in his videos! Secret Nazi confirmed!"

The Ben Garrison treatment was not a fluke, in fact, they claim it as victory when he posts cartoons that support some idea they also support. "Look, our trolling pushed him in our direction!"

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 11:29 AM  

The trad Ayn Rand style of right wing isn't feasible anymore, and doesn't fit the structure of the world anymore.

Let's postulate that you are correct. Then why are they whining about me pointing out that they are not something that doesn't exist, isn't feasible, and doesn't fit the structure of the world anymore?

Do you guys even listen to yourselves babble? Are you just unable to grasp more than one consequence of any given position?

The Fake Right are creatures of Satan. They are devoted to deception. They are not us.

Blogger ZhukovG September 12, 2017 11:30 AM  

I really hope these Alt-Reich, Fake-Right, Fake-Nationalist folks are getting a check from Soros. Be a shame for them to do all this work on behalf of White Genocide and not get compensated for it.

Blogger JohnofAustria September 12, 2017 11:34 AM  

And folks on the alt-lite don't stand for anything except civic nationalism 2.0. Except they don't even have the guts to says the ebul nadzhees should have civic rights as well.

I don't think Milo wants more people on the civic nationalism train, and I think he knows exactly what will happen if more people don't go ethno-nationalist. But he's also not in a position to point that out without giving up his best lefty-deflector either. Which I get. People like Shapiro and Cernovich are more than willing to see WNs get the gulag as long as they can beg the new Hispanic waves of immigrants to think about voting for lower taxes.

Blogger Latigo3 September 12, 2017 11:35 AM  

Well this certainly opened up a can of worms.

Anonymous Vox's Mates September 12, 2017 11:36 AM  

The alt-lite has many false teachers selling them snake oil and self-help books that are bad for their soul and bad for their people.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Vox, please urge your close friend and ally to make a police statement about the pedophile parties he attended.

Please also ensure he is no longer attending these pedophile parties.

Anonymous Avalanche September 12, 2017 11:37 AM  

Grayman: Now that the food and water have been scavenged from every grocery store on St. Martin, people are resorting to violence.

Whereas, in Florida, the negroes are stealing expensive shoes. Cause, uh, maybe midnight b-ball?

(Sorry for no up-link -- the comment numbers are all gone this morning -- on my desktop!)

Blogger David Power September 12, 2017 11:37 AM  

@Rabbi B

Be sure to get back to me should you ever think of something to actually say.

@S1AL

You've obviously and unwisely, allowed yourself to become emotionally invested in this dispute and are now incapable of forming a reasoned opinion on it.

Anonymous Vox's Mates September 12, 2017 11:37 AM  

Milo: "I wasn't abused as a child, or anything like that.

Rogan - replying to Milo accusing Rogan of being outraged: "What, trying to out pedophiles? You were the one who was ani-pedophile earlier!....Fourteen is pedophilia buddy."

...

Milo: "It wasn't molestation it was perfectly consensual."

Rogan: "I don't think it is when they're fourteen."

Milo: "At fourteen trust me, I was the predator."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vZsbpvhn5Q


"But I can tell you the truth without dropping anyone in it. Some of the boys there were very young, very young."

...

"There were some very young boys around at that time, there was a lot of drugs, and a lot of twinks taking drugs and having unsafe sex with older men, and some of these boys were very young, desperately young. Desperate for a job."

"He was a great priest. Honestly."

Anonymous OP September 12, 2017 11:38 AM  

I think that is'a good picture. It detracts from their point.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 12, 2017 11:38 AM  

disingenuously railing against one’s occasionally intemperate allies

88ers are not allies, they're enemies. They damage the chances of salvaging the West and if they are not actually funded by Soros and the globalist - and (((globalist))) - cabal, they might as well be. Swastika-pantied clowns have been more effective at discrediting the Alt-Right than the alphabet legacy media.

Nate has it right. Tumors.

Anonymous Vox's Mates September 12, 2017 11:39 AM  

88ers are not allies, they're enemies.

They also oppose pedophilia, unlike the alt-lite.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 12, 2017 11:42 AM  

There's a vast difference between Milo refusing to consider himself a victim and supporting pedophilia in general.

Blogger JohnofAustria September 12, 2017 11:43 AM  

Vox, because the older version of natural authority based on the crown, blood, and church does apply, but is now deeply tangled with Austrian economics. I think the former makes sense still as a method based in human nature, but the latter doesn't. And the crown and church are badly corrupted by leftist infiltration to where the only part left (that applies to most) is blood.

Blogger S1AL September 12, 2017 11:45 AM  

"Vox, because the older version of natural authority based on the crown, blood, and church does apply, but is now deeply tangled with Austrian economics."

Are you a Frenchman?

Blogger JohnofAustria September 12, 2017 11:46 AM  

By "crown," I obviously don't mean we need a literal king, but authority based on the strength of our (not foreign tribes) best men, in whatever fashion they are chosen.

Blogger OGRE September 12, 2017 11:47 AM  

"If you think a subpoena 'endangers your life's work' you have no experience in business."

Exactly. If someone is going to freak out over a simple subpoena--and this is an extremely simple one here, its not as if its for a million documents or for extremely sensitive information like trade secrets--then they are in no position to be running a company.

Blogger JohnofAustria September 12, 2017 11:47 AM  

My family says there's French nobility back in the lineage somewhere, but that seems unlikely. Mostly Mick and Swede.

Anonymous I'm A Nazi, Socialism Could Work If It Was Just Whites September 12, 2017 11:47 AM  

"My child, taking pictures with friends is a grave, grave sin, unforgivable in all circumstances. Now go say 100 Hail Moseses."

Sure, if those friends are Jewish. He's also been photographed with Martin van Creveld and Cernovich, and has helped all three with publishing. Chief Speaks-With-Jews also Christian, which is implicitly Jewish.

He also said that if the force which once inspired the Waffen SS comes for Jews in America, it will have to go through him first. This was in the first volume of his columns, "Innocence and Intellect," available on Amazon Dot Com in ebook and hardcover.

Anonymous Vox's Mates September 12, 2017 11:47 AM  

There's a vast difference between Milo refusing to consider himself a victim and supporting pedophilia in general.

Rabboni, it is quite clear from the video evidence that Milo considers approximately 12 and older fair game for anal sex. Certainly 13 and 14.

He draws the line at approximately 10 years of age but then won't out those pedophiles because that would be "indiscreet".

The alt-right categorically rejects pedophilia and urges Milo to make a formal police statement. The alt-right asks Vox Day to speak with his close friend and great ally to ensure he make the police statement and no longer attend pedophile parties.

C'mon, this is not hard people. You won't be saving the West if you can't perform the simple matter of getting your best mate to make a statement to police naming the pedophiles he knows.

Blogger VD September 12, 2017 11:47 AM  

People like Shapiro and Cernovich are more than willing to see WNs get the gulag as long as they can beg the new Hispanic waves of immigrants to think about voting for lower taxes.

Shapiro, maybe. Cernovich, no.

Blogger JohnofAustria September 12, 2017 11:49 AM  

I'm happy to be wrong, then. I take it back.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 12, 2017 11:52 AM  

They also oppose pedophilia

No they don't. It's fake outrage, like everything else about your crew ignorant buffoons. Vox, in seeing that Safe Space as a Rape Room saw the light of day has done more to oppose pedophilia that any of you dolts, but you don't know that, because you're stupid, poorly read, and your amygdala's can't accept any criticism.

Blogger S1AL September 12, 2017 11:52 AM  

"My family says there's French nobility back in the lineage somewhere, but that seems unlikely. Mostly Mick and Swede."

Then why do you associate the "right wing" with French Monarchists?

The American Right, in the span of time the term has been used here, has always been associated with the Girondist position (the post-Monarchy right, later slaughtered in the Rain of Terror). Bourgeois, traditional (culturally), family-oriented, religious.

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 12, 2017 11:54 AM  

VM, if that is concern trolling, its top notch so I'm going to reply

Its pretty common knowledge that 12-14 year old boys must be kept away from homosexual men and predatory women since they often aren't mature enough to avoid sexual opportunity or make good decisions with what they are feeling

The same applies to some girls in that age with lesbians and male predators or heck boys their own age.

The reason this happens is exactly what happened to Milo, they get warped sexually . Its how predatory homosexuals recruit more homosexuals basically.

This is not however pedophilia since young people that age are in puberty and are sometimes by choice sexually active. US states are harder to come by but 20% of 14 year old girls in the UK are sexually active! Note the general age of consent in that nation is 16 that's a lot of jail bait.

Now at a certain point from what I understand some young men, maybe 3% at most will develop as primarily homosexual regardless at a certain point They won't have much attraction to the opposite sex. I'm guessing that much as 10% (using Kinsey's somewhat discredited figures) are possibly bi-sexual or can be turned "gay" as Milo probably was. The predators are very good at finding these boys, its what they do.

Some of the men think they are helping other gay boys, some are just trash.

This is what its incumbent on parents to protect boys and girls alike. Keep an eye on your teens till they are grown up enough to make good calls and check for predators.

To the best of my knowledge Milo believes the usual gay belief system as is common among abuse survivors but he does not have any younger sexual partners and has given evidence that has put actual pedophiles in prison on multiple occasions

Thus I have no issue with him and as he is pro Western civilization, make a good .Alt Lite ally

Blogger DonReynolds September 12, 2017 11:57 AM  

When you are wrong, you need lots of friends, especially when you find out later that you were wrong.

When you are right, you don't need anybody. Being right gives you power enough to take on the entire world. That does not mean that the world will agree with you, but it does mean that they should. That is why being right is worth doing. Whether a man is right or wrong stays with him, even after death, and may be the only reason he is remembered.

WE owe everything to people who were right, when everyone else was wrong, and they seldom receive even mere thanks. More likely those who are right will be condemned and even destroyed by the very same people who will later agree to be right, themselves.

Anonymous Vox's Mates September 12, 2017 11:58 AM  

Vox, in seeing that Safe Space as a Rape Room saw the light of day has done more to oppose pedophilia that any of you dolts

I see no evidence for this assertion.

Should Vox Day be succesful in getting Milo to make a formal police statement then that would go a long way to making everyone a lot happier in seeing justice done.

Till then, the evidence we do have is that Vox Day's great friend and ally Milo used to attend parties where young, very young boys were given drugs and raped.

I can honestly say I have no friends that do that.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 12, 2017 11:59 AM  

Our degenerate culture is filled with adults who take no responsibility for their lives, perpetually playing the roles of victims. ("White privilege is everywhere," "I can't start a family because nonwhites.") Yet here's Milo taking responsibility for what he did as a child when the law would absolve him of any responsibility for his actions because he sees himself as genuinely culpable. That's integrity.

Blogger mike September 12, 2017 11:59 AM  

It seems like there's an easy litmus test to see who's alt-Right and who isn't: if you support a white ethnostate, you're in the club. If you don't, you're not.

Blogger James September 12, 2017 12:00 PM  

Expressing the view that Milo should tell the police the facts about what he knows seems reasonable. The problem seems to be the overwhelming sense that the outrage is faux, as Jack Amok put it. For one thing, don't you think the police know all about what goes on already? If they knew about Rotherham, they know about the rest of it.

Blogger Rabbi B September 12, 2017 12:00 PM  

David Power wrote:@Rabbi B

Be sure to get back to me should you ever think of something to actually say.

@S1AL

You've obviously and unwisely, allowed yourself to become emotionally invested in this dispute and are now incapable of forming a reasoned opinion on it.


I'm your huckleberry.

Anonymous johnc September 12, 2017 12:02 PM  

They damage the chances of salvaging the West

Our energy would be better spent organizing to put pressure on the Trump administration to follow through with his campaign promises. Being distracted by internal battles, and using the lazy excuse that Trump is working 12D chess so we can just sit on our laurels, is just allowing the enemy to work behind the scenes.

The online Nazi LARPing (including /pol/) is like blue-colored anime hair: when brought out into the public, in the flesh, it doesn't look right. To me it seems like a reasonable position to keep the anonymity of the Internet separate from real life.

In the meantime I've said for months that all of these stupid public rallies should be suspended for a variety of reasons. For us it is all downsides with no upsides.

No progress will be made without spiritual renewal.

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 12:02 PM  

Nazis as a movement have never been opponents to pedophilia, and always enablers. It's in their intellectual and emotional DNA.

None of them know how an adult, let alone a man, acts.

Anonymous Vox's Mates September 12, 2017 12:03 PM  

AB.Prosper, I'll leave you to debate with your allies and friends the finer details on what age is best to sodomise boys.

The alt-right is clear on this: pedophilia is always wrong no matter what the law or culture says.

Anonymous Vox's Mates September 12, 2017 12:05 PM  

Nazis as a movement have never been opponents to pedophilia, and always enablers. It's in their intellectual and emotional DNA.

Demonstrably false as I, being alt-right an therefore to you a Nazi, and 100% opposed to pedophilia. All alt-right is opposed. It is definitional. Another one of those things that differentiates us from the alt-lite.

Blogger wreckage September 12, 2017 12:06 PM  

It's no coincidence that the peak of Nazi appeal was among a generation where fatherlessness was endemic.

Blogger S1AL September 12, 2017 12:08 PM  

"You've obviously and unwisely, allowed yourself to become emotionally invested in this dispute and are now incapable of forming a reasoned opinion on it."

It's more likely that you're not capable of grasping the logic that led to my conclusion. That's what happens when your understanding of history purports that Hitler was a good guy.

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 12, 2017 12:10 PM  

I'm A Nazi, Socialism Could Work If It Was Just Whites wrote:"My child, taking pictures with friends is a grave, grave sin, unforgivable in all circumstances. Now go say 100 Hail Moseses."

Sure, if those friends are Jewish. He's also been photographed with Martin van Creveld and Cernovich, and has helped all three with publishing. Chief Speaks-With-Jews also Christian, which is implicitly Jewish.

He also said that if the force which once inspired the Waffen SS comes for Jews in America, it will have to go through him first. This was in the first volume of his columns, "Innocence and Intellect," available on Amazon Dot Com in ebook and hardcover.
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The US is the most Philo-Semtic country on the planet , most Whites are tolerant of Jews consider them "Whites" and many are Zionists a

71% of non Orthodox Jews in the US are mixed nearly always with Whites (Zuckerberg being a noted exception)

There are bad aspects to this, it renders us vulnerable to globalism and cultural manipulation but its not the main source of our issues right now.

, if anything its worse for non Orthodox Jews whose cultural and ethnic identity will be gone in a short period of time , far shorter than White peoples could ever be. Between low fertility rates and mixing, it the end game for them.

This still won't give Nazism any traction, someone whose ancestors are Jewish isn't miraculously going to want that dead discredited ideology .

If it goes to war the entire country is going to have a field day shooting Nazis in a massive WW2 reenactment especially costume Nazis since nearly everyone hates them, either because they are socialists , the wrong sort of Leftist , adherents of a genocidal ideology wrought by an idiot or typically just twats

White Nationalists and White Separatists though will thrive

TL;DR 14 words, hell yeah. 88 fuck off , you aren't .Alt Right

Blogger Salt September 12, 2017 12:14 PM  

It would be entertaining to see the Nazi larpers begin their Nuremberg trial phase.

Blogger Elocutioner September 12, 2017 12:15 PM  

It seems like there's an easy litmus test to see who's alt-Right and who isn't: if you support the 16 points, you're in the club. If you don't, you're not. FIFY.

Alt-Reich was invited to ally with us but they couldn't even abide by a simple non-aggression pact. They chose their fate. Incels don't have a long term say in any ethnostate, they can't live beside us, they're actively destructive to our cause, and their tactics are shit. The tumor metaphor is apt.

If you're pro-white ethnostate you're free to ALLY yourself with us. It doesn't mean you are Alt-Right or that we won't punch back. We're simply policing the ideological border. Pretty basic stuff.

Anonymous 2106 Things I Hate September 12, 2017 12:24 PM  

Men of the West had a similar position on why they stood by Milo after the MSM dogpile.

https://www.menofthewest.net/our-thoughts-on-milo/

Blogger DonReynolds September 12, 2017 12:26 PM  

There seems to be too much confusion about who are our allies and who are our enemies.

The silly people believe someone is an ally because they can tolerate them being in the same society. This is an error. The question should be ..... would they tolerate YOU, if they were the overwhelming majority in our society.

Personally, I can tolerate nearly everyone in a free society, but I also know there are many people I could tolerate sharing the same neighborhood, workplace, and voting precinct, who would not tolerate me (or my free society) if they were the majority.

Isn't that the real answer of who is an ally and who is an enemy? Would they tolerate you? Would they let you remain in any society where they are the dominant population? Would you live long under their rule?

Blogger VFM #7634 September 12, 2017 12:27 PM  

No you do not. And worse still, you have a gaping blind-spot in place of one.

@David Power
Untrue... I imagine VD will find this funny:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/09/12/after-tedcruz-liked-a-porn-tweet-sen-ted-cruz-blamed-a-staffing-issue/?utm_term=.7ca864b292ca

Blogger David Power September 12, 2017 12:30 PM  

@VD

Degenerate sodomy fetish aside, Milo does possess two admirable qualities our esteemed host patently lacks.



A sense of humour being one of them.

"I have a sense of humor."

No you do not. And worse still, you have a gaping blind-spot in place of one.



"Oh, okay then."




Put your ego to one side, allow yourself a belly laugh, and redirect your fire towards the people who have their knee on the throat of the country you used to call home.




"You just said I don't have a sense of humor."

Yes, but you didn't have to prove me right with such haste.

"Sweet St. Darwin, but you people are stupid!"

Yeah, well we didn't get much learning down here on the farm.

I've heard there is an ancient game that requires the application of intelligence and logic. I believe it's called chess or some such. How about we test your "you people are stupid" assertions and arrange a match? And how about we make it interesting and have a wager on the side?

I will be in San Remo Italy on business on the 2nd of next month. Make the stakes high enough and I'll let you pick the venue.

Anonymous 2106 Things I Hate September 12, 2017 12:30 PM  

Amen. Likewise.

Every time I read the Anglinsphere carp about "cult of personality" here...
I laugh to myself "projection much???"

So called "old folks who are overly attached to their freedoms"...folks who are actually doing the heavy lifting while the Anglinsphere kekspirals.

Blogger MajesticDialectic September 12, 2017 12:32 PM  

smacks of desperation, clutching...straws, oh dear, reeling, explaining, a bit like trying to rebut an argument from the left, but now it is from the right, ooh, which hole should I put this in, oh no, I am not a female, or am I, oh Nazis, oh dear, oh who am I, my friends, my lovely Jew friends who helped me accumulate wealth and status, oh luvvies, bumchums, what should I do, help me

Anonymous Jack Amok September 12, 2017 12:32 PM  

The silly people believe someone is an ally because they can tolerate them being in the same society. This is an error. The question should be ..... would they tolerate YOU, if they were the overwhelming majority in our society.

+1, as the kids say.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 12, 2017 12:32 PM  

So many trollz who have been concerned since Sept 2017.

Blogger Rabbi B September 12, 2017 12:34 PM  

@DonReynolds

There seems to be too much confusion about who are our allies and who are our enemies.

It's not hard. If you're not gathering, you're scattering.

Anonymous peppermint September 12, 2017 12:35 PM  

Yeah, that genxer christian novel Vox published, Victoria, asserted Christianity as what could rally people to restore what we had. It also, despite its blind hatred of Nazis, asserted cultural marxism, i.e. Jews, as where academia went wrong, and thought abolishing computers by phone companies refusing to connect modems thereby putting the flow of information back in the hands of academics and journalists would secure the future after the restoration.

Liberalism preceded Jewish involvement, especially in the US. There have been rumors that John Calvin was actually a Jew, but that's irrelevant, his theology of everyone should revere me because I'm holier caught on with university men, the vast majority of which were not Jews.

The Internet is saving us because it lets us go around the journalists, who have always been lying, and the academics, who have always been scheming and lying, and always valued complication and novelty over the simple timeless truth, and always used browbeating and extortion as the methods of higher education.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 12, 2017 12:37 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:Maybe I'm ignorant AF but I heard Milo's commentary on Rogan and have yet to locate any endorsement of pedophilia. In my mind, he qualified his commentary in meaningful ways. Egg McMuffin, Reagan Battalion, and in some ways, Jake Tapper hyped it up in dishonest ways. Furthermore, think about the names I just mentioned and who is using their interpretation. Indeed I'm on the outside looking in but I am of the opinion that the characterization of Milo's commentary are, at best, dishonest.

And another thing, Milo played a meaningful role advancing the ball down field. That alone should be enough. Going after dude on what I think are dishonest accusations are, in my opinion, dismissing Lawrence Taylor because he has substance abuse issues. So what. The dude does great work.


Repost cuz' it's worth repeating. Buncha' lyin' reichtard trollz.

Blogger JohnofAustria September 12, 2017 12:38 PM  

@S1AL, I'm not, I'm describing the traditional right/left demarcation on one axis. I don't think you can successfully keep the later right you mention separate from the blank-slate post-Enlightenment liberals, because they share the same underlying assumptions or positions. If we are talking about which sorts of "Classic Liberals" are more right or left, we're already abusing the model in ways that make it irrelevant.

I'd further say that the Bourgies are all soft lefties who embrace the blank slate, have no traditions or mores that they will defend before all else except tolerating the next minority group, families don't legally exist as they traditionally did (there is no enforceable authority vested in them that means anything), and religious institutions have no social power and are falling to subversion.

Given that, what parts of the American right can even be appealed to, or rebuilt? They would all need to be fundamentally re-imagined.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2017 12:38 PM  

Who knew loyalty would be such an archaic concept to these dolts?

I think it's an archaic concept to many people these days. Look how many people put the group, whether tribal or political, over personal loyalties. I've learned a lot about real loyalty over the past few years of watching Vox as well as some of the Ilk, especially the Southerners like Nate and Josh.

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