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Friday, September 22, 2017

SJW-converged comics

John C. Wright rightly excoriates the SJW demolition of the comics:
Logic and good storytelling are flung out the window by these Philistines.

Spiderman has been blotted out by Miles Morales, a half-hispanic half-black with no particular personality. The writers seem not to want to give him any personality, for fear of giving his troubles and woes, which in turn might open them to the witchhunter accusation of being racist.

Hawkeye has been  blotted out by female Hawkeye. He has an interesting backstory, and some dramatic personal problems. She is a nonentity who suddenly is the best archer in the Marvel Universe for no particular reason.

Iron Man has been  blotted out by Riri Williams, a teen-aged black girl who steals things and accidentally conquers eastern European nations. Instead of having problems like shrapnel lodged near the heart as Iron Man does, the girl version of Iron Man is both utterly incompetent, and utterly flattered, praised, and supported by one and all.

Wasp has been  blotted out by Wasp, a girl who never puts on her wasp suit, never shrinks down and never fights crime.

Hulk has been  blotted out by Amadeus Cho, and also by She-Hulk, both of whom now use the name Hulk. Unlike Bruce Branner, whose is cursed by a Jekyll/Hyde and Frankenstein’s Monster combo of infinite strength and brain-destroying rage, Cho and She-Hulk are possessed of perfect self control, and have no drama. She-Hulk has lost her John Byrne era good looks, her green skin, and her desire to fight crime, and instead looks ugly and gray skinned.

Sam Wilson, the Falcon, has replaced Steve Rogers as Captain America. This one is not as egregious as the others, and, if taken in isolation, might have seemed legitimate, not an attempt at blot out. But Sam Wilson now has the same problem any black student in an affirmative action college has, when people can no longer tell is his diploma was earned or merely granted.

Also, I like Falcon. Why is his black super identity being smothered?  Are blacks somehow not legitimate in SJW eyes until they put on the garb and take up the name of a white original?

Let me emphasize that these are not cases where, for example, Robin grows up into Nightwing and someone else puts on Robin’s outfit to replace him, or where Blue Beetle takes up the costume and legacy of the original Blue Beetle.

Neither is any one of these a case where Superman has a cousin or Commissioner Gordon has a daughter who is a female version of a previously established character. That kind of thing happens in comics all the time, and no one cares or minds. Those things are meant to honor the previous character, or provide an interesting variation on a theme.

This is different.

This is like Muslims dynamiting the giant statues of Buddha in Afghanistan. It is the destruction of the icons and symbols of infidels.

This is blotting out the old character. Anyone who is white, straight, heroic or male is being replaced by someone who is not.... Plots, writing, drama, and storytelling has been flushed away down the water closet with very few exceptions.

The fact of the matter is that SJWs cannot tell stories. We saw this same thing in the science fiction field among the Hugo nominees: the more SJW was in a story, the less drama. The reasons for this are complicated, but the basic problem is that SJWs have a worldview that is false to facts about nearly every aspect of human nature and human morality, and instead have a fake, flat, one-dimensional view which contains neither heroism nor personal responsibility.
You might think John is exaggerating. I mean, it can't possibly be that bad, right? I knew SJWs in comics had gotten out of hand. That's why, after nearly three years of people requesting one, Castalia House is creating an alternative to the converged mainstream comics. But, as it turns out, the convergence is even worse than I'd ever imagined!


So, Thor is now a woman, who villains (as women) won't fight out of respect for what she's doing (as a woman), because it isn't easy for her (as a woman), but instead engage her in lengthy, boring chatter about their romantic relationships before voluntarily going to prison because girl-power. I''m only surprised the two new gal pals didn't go on to break out the teapot and sit down to discuss their favorite quotes from Hillary Clinton's new book over a nice cup of tea.

And doesn't this all sound a little... familiar? SJWs write science fiction without science, fantasy without the fantastic, military science fiction without war, and superhero comics without heroics. They are dramatic poison, and they are this way by necessity, due to the intrinsic falsity of their worldview.

Next week we will launch the Alt⭐️Hero Freestartr campaign. I guarantee it will be absolutely nothing like this pallid, boring SJW nonsense into which DC and Marvel have devolved. Although I can't promise we won't make ruthless fun of it from time to time....


UDPDATE: According to the SJWs, the declining sales of SJW-converged comics are totally not their fault. See, it's actually the fault of evil right-wing GAMERGATE COMICGATE harassing all those legions of women who totally want to go to comic stores and buy Unbeatable Squirrel Girl and Muslim Ms Marvel and Magic Negro Batman, but are frightened out of doing so by evil right-wing ComicGaters failing to make them feel welcome.
Like videogaming, comics culture is steeped in rightwing victim culture, where you convince yourself both that you and your hobby are horribly oppressed and bullied by the jocks, the popular clique, riajuu and that your particular brand of pop culture is superior to what the brainless masses consume because they don’t spent their Wednesday evenings waiting for the new issue of whatever The Avengers is called this week. So you get a culture and industry that bemoans the fact that nobody loves comics anymore, but resents any step made to make people feel welcome.

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177 Comments:

Anonymous Mike Rock September 22, 2017 5:07 AM  

Ohhhhhhhh..... Mr. EUro.... is this a new guy or an old one?

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 5:14 AM  

That's Captain Europa and Dynamique from Alt⭐️Hero.

Blogger Jonathon Davies September 22, 2017 5:18 AM  

Very much looking forward to this.

Blogger GraceIronwood September 22, 2017 5:20 AM  

I'm not much of a comic or superhero fan. But looking over those frames...sheesh.

John Wright's piece reminded me of the current "tear-the joint-down" push to destroy heritage. In all spheres the clear goal is to have the West apologize as it dismantles itself.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 5:28 AM  

Marvel and DC have been on the rocket sled to SJW Convergence for decades. The warp engines kicked in about 2014. The zombies of Marvel and DC characters need to be laid to rest.

I, for one, welcome our new Alt-Hero Overlords!

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 22, 2017 5:35 AM  

Two comic enthusiasts hijacked the Riri Williams character (Ironheart) through their own fan fiction. They didn't do it our of malice but a recognition that the SJWs endowed "Ironheart" with all the characteristics of a true villain. Comics and Diversity got the ball rolling with commentary that pointed out Riri's socio-pathic qualities and followed up with a ten panel comic. It's very good:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mbrisqj9f4am5to/Riri-Birth.pdf?dl=0

The second comic enthusiast, VKTR, created a backstory for Diversity's ten panel story. Unlike Diversity's story, this is oral narration and it is reminiscent of the 1930s era radio serials (think Tom Mix and Buck Rogers). This is an amazing story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LISf1p-jNDU&t=201s

These stories, and the following episodes point toward a deeply troubling aspect about SJWs, their idea of "heroism" is not altruistic nor heroic. For the SJWs, a "hero" is a "hero" for the sake of being one.

Blogger AdognamedOp September 22, 2017 5:41 AM  

Good luck on the alt-hero venture. But I think letting that medium just die a natural death by sjw would make for a better jump off platform. Why compete with them when they're burning down their own house? Let em burn.

Anonymous UrGay September 22, 2017 5:48 AM  

Comic books are gay and for children.

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 5:55 AM  

Why compete with them when they're burning down their own house?

Because they are creating a demand vacuum that market forces will inevitably fill and the first one to fill it effectively will be able to influence the industry, if not dominate it.

Why do you think Disney buys these companies anyhow?

Blogger Lovekraft September 22, 2017 5:57 AM  

There's Garth Ennis's (Preacher) THE BOYS put out around 15 years ago that turned the hero on its head, portraying the Justice League as criminals, rapists etc.

"Blotting" sounds like an excellent term. Haven't heard it before.

It's funny how critical theory allowed the marxists to destroy western history and culture, but now that the worm has turned, the SJWs and their gatekeepers are going to use lawfare, deplatforming, etc to prevent it from happening to them.

Anonymous Conservative's r/K selective theory (not sure, did he coin this?)is making the divide between the tut-tuts and the heeders more distinct every day. I'll be trying to repack this for this blog moving forward.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 22, 2017 5:58 AM  

"This is different.

This is like Muslims dynamiting the giant statues of Buddha in Afghanistan. It is the destruction of the icons and symbols of infidels."

This is the essential truth of the matter. And yet so many no doubt miss it and think the left is just doing a bad job. Oh no, they're doing exactly what they intend to do. Kill Whitey and all he cherishes. (Granted they utilize some useful idiots who are terrible at doing what they really are trying to do.)

Blogger Lovekraft September 22, 2017 5:58 AM  

Hope more of us will go over to Diversity & Comics' youtube channel to give him support. Yesterday's video portrayed him as pretty razzled as apparently a co-ordinated and focused campaign to deplatform him was initiated over the past few days.

Blogger Lovekraft September 22, 2017 6:00 AM  

to those like #8 stating comics are gay and for children, let me state here that comic books, as Dave Sim noted, are one of the few remaining creative venues where true independent and counter-culture creativity are allowed.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 6:06 AM  

Jon D. has done a good job of covering the D&C by fans and *creators* of comics.

I use the terms 'fans' and 'creators' in the very loosest manner possible.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 6:10 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:to those like #8 stating comics are gay and for children, let me state here that comic books, as Dave Sim noted, are one of the few remaining creative venues where true independent and counter-culture creativity are allowed.

Comics were identified by Harlan Ellison as one of 5 truly unique American art forms. We're defending our culture when we make comics.
"[F]ive native American art forms that we've given to the world: Jazz, of course. Musical comedy as we know it today. The detective story as crafted by Poe. The banjo. And comic books."

Blogger JACIII September 22, 2017 6:12 AM  

Like gamers, this group of fans has had something they love become twisted to berate, belittle, and bleat at them. SJWs are worms. Squash 'em.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 22, 2017 6:14 AM  

Those Thor panels couldn't be clearer: the SJW message is that the differences between men and women are vaster and more unbridgeable than those between heroes and criminals, between citizens and jailbirds, between good and evil.

The true evil is not poverty or injustice, but the patriarchy.

Thanks for the lesson, Marvel. Glad to know the enemy.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 22, 2017 6:16 AM  

@13 I'd like to add that comics is a medium that is much more than what @8 claims them to be. There is a complexity to comics, at least in the pre-SJW era. Weaved into those story lines were the internal conflicts that humans endure. In Ironman, we got to see Tony Stark battle alcoholism. In the Frank Miller "Batman" (after Dark Knight) we saw Commissioner Gordon involved in a love affair while he and his wife were expecting.

Comics, at least in the era of pre-SJW Marvel influence, comics were stories that weaved human elements into the narrative.

Blogger SteelPalm September 22, 2017 6:20 AM  

@10 Lovekraft

There's Garth Ennis's (Preacher) THE BOYS put out around 15 years ago that turned the hero on its head, portraying the Justice League as criminals, rapists etc.

Haven't read his other work, but I remember really enjoying The Boys. It was action-packed and funny.

As bad as that highlighted FemThor panel is, her earlier battle against the evil, awful MAN was even worse.

The evil sexism of the villain:

https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/73323/area14mp/image-20150227-16185-1oiidus.png

Our valiant feminist hero's response for him daring to violate the Narrative;

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ww8-EpFV--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/dubaff9k7ye37bsav8pm.png

Anonymous Robert Aske September 22, 2017 6:25 AM  

Can't wait for Alt-Hero; make comics great again!

Anonymous Alice De Goon September 22, 2017 6:27 AM  

This all revolves around the SJW mentality, where victimhood becomes not only the means to wealth and status, but a means to confer ultimate moral authority on the "most victimized". To a normal person, filling your comic pages with pampered whiners and nerfing the world around them so that they won't suffer the consequences of their own mistakes would make for a boring story and for irritating protagonists. But to an SJW, it's a power trip in much the same way that Superman's heroic antics were once a power trip to virtuous 5 year old boys back in the 1940's. To me, a scene where a heroine attempts to use her intelligence and skills to offset her physical disadvantages in a fight is one filled with tension and a desire to see what happens next. To an SJW, it's a scene of cis-heteropatriarchal oppression that's worth a ten part Twitter screed "instructing" writers that putting women and people of color into genuinely dangerous situations and expecting them to escape using their own talents and wits is akin to throwing a rope over the head of the nearest minority and dragging them behind your pickup truck.

It's not just comics that's converged - you can see this gangrene seeping into Western animation as well. E;R has a four part review detailing the Legend of Korra: a sequel series that takes the intricately built world and complex characterizations of the original Avatar: the Last Airbender TV series and excretes menstrual blood all over it. Like your female protagonists, whiny, entitled, and constantly bailed out from their own mistakes just when they were about to learn an important lesson? Do you like seeing reasonable authority figures constantly belitted and told off because they dared try to discipline the Mary Sue heroine? Then you'll LOVE Korra:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmKaQqinWKY

I highly recommend watching this review even for people who haven't seen the ATLA series or it's sequels, as it's a great deconstruction of how SJWism seeps into an artistic work. E;R is at this minute working on the followup Korra comics, in which a dictator (whose character was inspired by a Chinese Emperor and whose empire consists of loosely affiliated city-states with medieval-level, magicpunk technology,) decides to wage a campaign against gay marriage. Because that's what the governments of largely agrarian empires care about - whether or not two lesbians living in some podunk village at the edge of the empire can play house. Not whether...oh..say... half the population is starving because the land can't grow enough food or some shit like that...

Blogger AdognamedOp September 22, 2017 6:28 AM  

I have a friend that works Comic cons. He buys and trades according to what Disney and Sony are producing. Like first appearance of X character, etc. About 60 people showed up at the last Penn Plaza Hotel show, or so he told me. The medium is dead.

Anonymous Killua September 22, 2017 6:29 AM  

Really looking foward to this. Not only I will support the kickstarter, I will also draw fanart of it and post it around.

Anonymous JAG September 22, 2017 6:34 AM  

My prediction: Marvel will eventually retcon everything post Secret Wars so that all these SJW characters and idiocy will have taken place in a non-616 parallel universe.

That is, of course, if they can change before Disney just shuts down Marvel, and keeps all the intellectual properties for the movies.

Blogger The Observer September 22, 2017 6:35 AM  

Slightly off-topic, but relevant nevertheless -

If I remember correctly (and correct me if I'm wrong), but Hatreon ran into problems with payment processors such as Paypal refusing to extend their services to them.

Are there any measures to ensure that Freestartr doesn't encounter similar problems with, say, Paypal or even banks refusing to work with them once it gets big enough to be a target?

Anonymous Looking Glass September 22, 2017 6:35 AM  

@21 Alice De Goon

Korra should have never been made. What made ATLA work was dealing with complex themes at a more child-like level, as Ang was just that: a child. Korra was a gender-swapped character and they had absolutely nothing they could do with her, so they went with SJW-appeasing tropes.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 22, 2017 6:38 AM  

@24 JAG

Better thought: Disney needs those stories produced so they can keep IP, so they're going to outsource it all to China.

Then we'll be amazed when the Chinese make better "American" comics than SJWs.

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 6:39 AM  

Are there any measures to ensure that Freestartr doesn't encounter similar problems with, say, Paypal or even banks refusing to work with them once it gets big enough to be a target?

Yes. That is why I chose them.

Anonymous JAG September 22, 2017 6:40 AM  

Man of the Atom wrote:Lovekraft wrote:to those like #8 stating comics are gay and for children, let me state here that comic books, as Dave Sim noted, are one of the few remaining creative venues where true independent and counter-culture creativity are allowed.

Comics were identified by Harlan Ellison as one of 5 truly unique American art forms. We're defending our culture when we make comics.

"[F]ive native American art forms that we've given to the world: Jazz, of course. Musical comedy as we know it today. The detective story as crafted by Poe. The banjo. And comic books."


Guess he wasn't much of a fan of Westerns. He overlooked a pretty big elephant sitting in his room.

Blogger Salt September 22, 2017 6:41 AM  

So who's on our side? Maybe GG could make an incognito appearance here and there, Adrian as Miss. MultiRez. Every time she's declared dead she comes back and smacks you harder.

Blogger Francis The Pope September 22, 2017 6:43 AM  

As far as I know, on the DC side, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman were created by jews. Then on the Marvel side you have Stan Lee (a jew) that created many of the famous Marvel characters, there is also that famous comic cover of Captain America punching Hitler.

The early comic book industry probably was like Hollywood is now, the main publishers of comics were mostly jewish owned and they would obviously prefer to publish works of fellow jews over others. There was the added benefit that all these jewish creations would spread messages of left wing ideals to white males, which jews would obviously want.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2017 6:52 AM  

oh look. The tower of babel is in the background.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 22, 2017 6:54 AM  

Lovekraft September 22, 2017 5:57 AM
There's Garth Ennis's (Preacher) THE BOYS put out around 15 years ago that turned the hero on its head, portraying the Justice League as criminals, rapists etc.


such edgy, so transgressive.

Vietch had already done that in the King Hell Heroica / Maximortal books back in the mid 90s.

and half the "heroes" ( the Comedian, Rohrshach, Ozymandius and BluePenis ) in Moore's 'Watchmen' were this way from back in the mid 80s.

and, of course, Punisher and Wolverine have been whacking people left and right forever. it's okay when they do it, because they only kill metaphorical Nazis though.

i did think Ennis' Section 8 was moderately amusing.

'Bueno'.

Anonymous TS September 22, 2017 7:06 AM  

Definition

Excoriate, transitive verb: *picture of John C. Wright here*

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 22, 2017 7:17 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:Hope more of us will go over to Diversity & Comics' youtube channel to give him support. Yesterday's video portrayed him as pretty razzled as apparently a co-ordinated and focused campaign to deplatform him was initiated over the past few days.

I will second the endorsement for Diversity and Comics. I never really got into comics but it is interesting hearing him talk about how things used to be and how bad the rot is now. He also mentions VDs 3 laws with attribution to VD as least every 3rd video.

Blogger ant becker September 22, 2017 7:26 AM  

Send Judge Death to sentence the SJW's for the crime of living and social justice.

Anonymous Nature abhors a SJW September 22, 2017 7:28 AM  

An interesting parallel is that when Japanese society was atom bombed in WWII it took out their film industry ie...(((Hollyweird))) and led to the development of anime and Manga since entertainment was in short supply. Think Detroit before and after contrasted with Hiroshima and Nagasaki before and after.

SJWs/satanic government always destroying (and its not so-called "creative" either)

Blogger Nate September 22, 2017 7:48 AM  

also note in the... "thor" comic bit... they deliberately frame the face shot to not show any cleavage... and then draw her butt like a 70 year old woman's ass.

This should be used as a demonstration for CEOs everywhere. "This is what SJWs will do to your product. Whatever your company makes or sells... SJWs don't do that. They do this."

Blogger Ransom Smith September 22, 2017 7:50 AM  

That Lady Thor panel isn't even an accurate depiction of life. The most vicious fights I've ever been witness to have been women on women.
Which you'd think could make for an interesting dynamic in the world of comics. A female superhero who finds that her dreams of a so called feminist ideal are crushed as the female villains are brutal sadistic monsters.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 7:55 AM  

Ransom Smith wrote:That Lady Thor panel isn't even an accurate depiction of life. The most vicious fights I've ever been witness to have been women on women.

Which you'd think could make for an interesting dynamic in the world of comics. A female superhero who finds that her dreams of a so called feminist ideal are crushed as the female villains are brutal sadistic monsters.


Whoa, big fella! Let's not dip too deep into the well of Reality! Might be some mighty dangerous triggering down there!

OpenID het1 September 22, 2017 7:57 AM  

SJW main hero must have horns and tail, must be Buddhist; see A. Clarke.

Blogger weka September 22, 2017 8:01 AM  

Not.Dredd. he is too merciful. We need chinran, or the death squads Carerra supplied with a woodchipper. Every SJW superhero impaled may mean a life that turn to the truth.

Anonymous Rygel September 22, 2017 8:05 AM  

My wife thought I was crazy talking about how all this SJW crap is destroying literature and entertainment. So I gave her a copy of the new Ms Marvel. She got about a third of the way in, set it down and told me I won the argument.

Anonymous Hapax Legomenon September 22, 2017 8:15 AM  

I haven't gotten into superhero genre comics in decades, except very tangentially. I agree that many, especially in the superhero genre, ARE for kids (or adolescents.)

There is other stuff out there that is more adult oriented.

Grant Morrison's "Invisibles"
Pekar's "American Splendor"
Gaiman's Sandman series

And so forth. Also, I don't collect individual issues any more but wait til the bound p.b. collection comes out so I can read a whole run at once.

Anonymous lurker September 22, 2017 8:19 AM  

VD,

Are your comics going to take any swipes at Muh! hammed? They tend to get a little angry by that.

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 8:22 AM  

Are your comics going to take any swipes at Muh! hammed? They tend to get a little angry by that.

No. First, because they're neither the target nor the story, and second, because we're not totally fucking stupid.

And third, in case the entire Gab episode has not escaped you, I am not a Free Speech activist.

Blogger SirGroggy September 22, 2017 8:37 AM  

Amazing. If you hadn't shown that Thor clip I wouldn't have understood.

The SJWs are a reality-bending phenomenon, as if their actual existence in society itself is implausible and incredible.

I understand that there are feminists and SJWs out there, but the fact they are able to do what they do and be able to successfully take over and destroy and rebuild fictional worlds in the image of their utopia, in popular culture itself, in full view of everybody, and get away with it, is just amazing to me.

Even after all we've been exposed to, it still shocks me that this is happening.

Anonymous Durandel September 22, 2017 8:38 AM  

Someone needs to convince Larry Correa to allow for a Monster Hunter comic series. The books could easily be converted. Heck, the cover art of most of the books look like comic style art.

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 8:42 AM  

Someone needs to convince Larry Correa to allow for a Monster Hunter comic series.

We would definitely like to do that. I don't know if he's interested, though.

Amazing. If you hadn't shown that Thor clip I wouldn't have understood.

Exactly. I had no interest in doing this despite people asking me about it for nearly two years, until I took the time to see what exactly was out there. I started outlining the core concepts of Alt-Hero the next day.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2017 9:04 AM  

"Amazing. If you hadn't shown that Thor clip I wouldn't have understood."

They really have no concept of just how infuriating what they've done is. For an Xer that grew up reading comics... its like coming back to your hometown to find the church you were raised in is now an abortion clinic.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 22, 2017 9:10 AM  

They don't really believe their own rhetoric, they are women and children seeking attention, but for decades the clown conservative faction seeking that elusive concept of respect from the gate keepers such as glitterati phonies took the Left's screechings seriously.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 9:11 AM  

Nate wrote:"Amazing. If you hadn't shown that Thor clip I wouldn't have understood."

They really have no concept of just how infuriating what they've done is. For an Xer that grew up reading comics... its like coming back to your hometown to find the church you were raised in is now an abortion clinic.



Disagree. I believe many of these "creators" and "fans" know *exactly* what they are doing with the medium, and the results seen are *exactly* as intended by them.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 22, 2017 9:14 AM  

Yeah, hearing that they've SJW'd the comics doesn't convey it; you have to see it for yourself. People will point to such-and-such character that was gender- or race-swapped in the 1960s, or this-or-that left-wing theme that was inserted, but it's on a whole different level now. There's nothing subtle about it, and it's not done as side issues inserted into the normal heroic themes. It's just in your face, across the board, trying to indoctrinate kids as fast as they possibly can, while crapping on icons Americans love because they get off on that.

Anonymous Adma September 22, 2017 9:22 AM  

Any chance we can submit character ideas?

Blogger B.J. September 22, 2017 9:25 AM  

+1 For Diversity and Comics youtube channel, that guy is hilarious, he perfectly skewers what's wrong with every bad Marvel book.

He makes a good point that SJWs aren't just killing Marvel but killing the whole industry. Most retailers can't stay open without Marvel sales, and Marvel sales have fallen through the floor.

Anonymous Daniel September 22, 2017 9:27 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Yeah, hearing that they've SJW'd the comics doesn't convey it; you have to see it for yourself. People will point to such-and-such character that was gender- or race-swapped in the 1960s, or this-or-that left-wing theme that was inserted, but it's on a whole different level now. There's nothing subtle about it, and it's not done as side issues inserted into the normal heroic themes. It's just in your face, across the board, trying to indoctrinate kids as fast as they possibly can, while crapping on icons Americans love because they get off on that.
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Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 22, 2017 9:27 AM  

According to the SJWs, the declining sales of SJW-converged comics are totally not their fault. See, it's actually the fault of evil right-wing GAMERGATE COMICGATE harassing all those legions of women who totally want to go to comic stores and buy Unbeatable Squirrel Girl and Muslim Ms Marvel and Magic Negro Batman, but are frightened out of doing so by evil right-wing ComicGaters failing to make them feel welcome.

Except for the fact they could buy them online in digital format or print format if they really cared about the horrible stories. They also have the pull-list option at the store that would only require them spending 1 minute in the store to pay and get out. SJWs are really bad at making up plausible excuses for being unpopular.

The most interesting way to see how they wrecked the industry is comparing sales 10-15 years ago to current sales. A successful comic sold 120K+ copies. Now their definition of successful is 50K+ and most sell ~20K. This, during a time where marvel movies are at peak popularity. What could possibly be preventing them from cashing in on that popularity?

Anonymous Nathan September 22, 2017 9:31 AM  

Can't imagine that too many women are going to go out of their way to buy comics about overweight heroines, mannish pixie-fu "men with(out) tits" supergirls, teenaged girls that cannot lift their heads from their pillows without the world showering them with unearned affirmations, lonely working women more interested in YouTube cooking shows than fighting evil (or dressing up), or flagrant racist stereotypes passed off as diversity by Shaun King and Rachel Dolezal-types.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 9:32 AM  

Adma wrote:Any chance we can submit character ideas?

Why don't you just start making FUN COMICS FILLED WITH WONDER and publish them? Build something that can stand side-by-side with Vox's Alt-Hero.

More indies or indie companies can be a good thing! More targets mean the SJWs have to spread their fire.

That's what I'm doing now -- hope to be pushing them online and POD within 18 months. Just building the backlog now for two titles.

Blogger JohnofAustria September 22, 2017 9:37 AM  

Check out the YT channel Diversity & Comics, dude's a Marine with combat experience reviewing and ripping on the why's of how bad the SJW marvel is. It's really good.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrlzSqLSGj8GIOeT5jrQsJA

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise September 22, 2017 9:38 AM  

The writers seem not to want to give him any personality, for fear of giving his troubles and woes, which in turn might open them to the witchhunter accusation of being racist.

Yes.

My wife and I are two seasons in with Boston Legal, which we missed when it aired. The character of Shirley Schmidt has one purpose only: Roll her eyes, tsk-tsk, and remind the men on the show what childish horn-dogs they are.

Result? Schmidt is, by far, the most boring and tedious character in the ensemble.

Anonymous Jack September 22, 2017 9:42 AM  

Can anyone recommend any good graphic novels being made these days? I recently read Daniel Clowes' Patience, which was great. Just started checking out Alan Moore's Providence. But I don't keep up with the industry, and it seems like a lot of graphic novels are whiny emo drivel. Who's writing good stories and/or doing good artwork these days?

Blogger JohnofAustria September 22, 2017 9:49 AM  

Aaaaaaand I just saw that like 10 people already suggested D&C, whoops.

Anonymous lurker September 22, 2017 9:59 AM  

"Magic Negro Batman"

Hilarious. Seriously Vox you ought to go with that one. These comics could be the MST 3000 of the comic world.

Blogger horsewithnonick September 22, 2017 10:00 AM  

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZxCIsHWYAAhfVv.jpg

I was prepared to include many more links, but then i lost the will to live...

Blogger Silly but True September 22, 2017 10:02 AM  

@"Amazing. If you hadn't..."

Mind you, these are just the stories. The next logical question is why are these stories so damn stupid or weird?

Unpacking the creators themselves is even more interesting; the experiences about Waid's office begavior are great:
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/137929-mark-waid-quits-twitter-in-wake-of-comment-about-difficulty-of-not-putting-fist-through-jude-terrors-smug-ass-face.html

These people, Kurt Busiek, et. al. are absolute lunatics: mor-babies acting like two year-olds doing nothing but throwing tantrums, consuming things given to them by adults, and shitting all the time. Without any of the cuteness.

Blogger JohnofAustria September 22, 2017 10:06 AM  

Bor needs to have his own comic, he sounds like an awesome dude.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 22, 2017 10:08 AM  

This, during a time where marvel movies are at peak popularity.

That's a good point. I've never been big into comics, but the first time I saw The Fifth Element, I went looking to see if it was based on a comic book, because it seemed like it might be (it wasn't). I tracked down Tick and Maxx comics because the shows were great. I tried the Farscape graphic novels that continued the story after the show ended (couldn't get into those). There really should be a resurgence of interest in the comics driven by the movies. You can say kids don't read anymore, but that's been true for a while, so it doesn't explain the current drop-off.

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 10:22 AM  

Any chance we can submit character ideas?

If you back it at the level that provides that reward. I have to point out that it's not as if we're doing this because we don't have any ideas concerning how to go about it.

Anonymous Raker Tooth September 22, 2017 10:22 AM  

If comics have become a minor influence, that could be about to change. My mind immediately cross referenced the song by Willie Nelson: "He's an old Hippie".
She's an angry SJW, should she throw a fit?
Or should hope no one notices?
She's an angry SJW, just tryin' real hard to survive.
.
So Nate...I was thinking "sideways dome with swimsuit on", but I guess I'm bland. The returning home analogy was perfect.

Anonymous Uncle John's Band September 22, 2017 10:24 AM  

John C. Wright nails it here. As someone who still chips away at a silver age collection started in childhood, contemporary big two comics are unrecognizable. The downward spiral in popularity started decades ago, but the SJW infestation hit the afterburners. Actually, the SJW toxin is only part of the problem, as snowflakeism abounds with these diversity puppets. None of them seem to have to work to develop skills or solve problems, or grow in any way from their experiences. They just appear Athena-like, fully formed as “heroes” by proclamation, without doing anything heroic. “Achievement” without skill, discipline, or exceptional character - everyone gets a trophy!

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 10:25 AM  

Hilarious. Seriously Vox you ought to go with that one. These comics could be the MST 3000 of the comic world.

You have no idea what we have in mind. As I said, the REEEEEEEEEEES will be audible from orbit.

Blogger Thucydides September 22, 2017 10:27 AM  

They go all the way down. The Shadow is the origin of the modern superhero genre. Razorfist has a pretty amazing rant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqjBum_xd5Q

Blogger The Observer September 22, 2017 10:27 AM  

If you back it at the level that provides that reward. I have to point out that it's not as if we're doing this because we don't have any ideas concerning how to go about it.

Sounds like it's going to be a few thousand dollars at least, given the aim of $25,000.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 10:27 AM  

57. basementhomebrewer, 68. Cail Corishev
"This, during a time where marvel movies are at peak popularity."


Right. If Disney were on it's game, Thor in the movies would not be represented by She-Thor in the comics, Hulk would be Banner in both media, Iron Man comics wouldn't feature a 15 year-old government-destroying child in the armor, and ... etc.

The suits will catch on eventually, because this hurts marketing and merchandise.

When House of Mouse turns on House of Ideas, blood will flow.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 22, 2017 10:28 AM  

Are you going to have one or more titles suitable for kids?

Anonymous TS September 22, 2017 10:30 AM  

The Question is an excellent comic for anybody interested especially the originals by Steve Ditko.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 10:31 AM  

TS wrote:The Question is an excellent comic for anybody interested especially the originals by Steve Ditko.

Mr. A

Anonymous JeremiahEmbs September 22, 2017 10:32 AM  

I've worked in the comic industry for over 15 years for all the major corporations and all the major titles. The level of flat denial within the industry that SJW plots are destroying it despite mountains of evidence is astounding. Professional sales advisers are fired when they suggest it in fact. Patriotism is openly mocked as jingoism and globalism and communism are openly embraced. Censorship is rife and seasoned experts with seniority and accomplished artists with proven ability to meet insane deadlines are driven from the industry for not toeing the party line. Mean while excuses given for the decline of sales include the advent of video games, the jading of children, the lack of diversity (if you can believe that), and that so few bookstores carry comics (which is by the way the main reason graphic novels are pushed for bookstores will stock them). Gimmicks like multiple covers and the supposed death of famous characters and controversial appeal to the SJW crowd are all the sales strategists have to offer. And scandals break out everywhere. I touched on some of the recent scandals (however not all of them I am aware of) within the industry which are those which resulted in a decline of sales and have caused my workload as a worker within the industry to drop to one-fifth previous levels prior to the Obama years in this article. http://embscomputerart.com/marvel-plays-dumb-again/ Time does not permit me to write exhaustively on the topic, but believe me when I say the industry is already in ruins and only kept afloat because Marvel is owned by Disney now and DC by Warner Brothers so that the profits from their movie productions keep a few artists here and there employed doing piece work because there has to be source material to pretend the movies are based on comic books. Comics are no longer a seriously profitable venture from just straight counter sales alone. It is the cumulative effect of all movies and merchandise and games that props up the comics divisions whose artists are mostly forced to live in abject poverty without health insurance and without any job security or regular income at all.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 22, 2017 10:34 AM  

"Welcome to the Global Justice Initiative"

Golden handcuffs? Golden handcuffs. LuLZ.

"Meanwhile, on a ship in Barcelona harbor..."

Blogger Jon D. September 22, 2017 10:41 AM  

It's gone from blackballing and forcing their terrible comics with idiotic message fiction on everyone now to making threats to reviewers (Diversity & Comics) to try to get them framed for crimes at conventions to try to shut down anyone talking about it. Their sales have failed. The blackballing failed. Now they're edging closer to violence.

The comic industry SJWs are Antifa terrorists. Pure and simple.

Alt-Hero needs to be the biggest success ever. Even if you're not that into comics, everyone needs to support this. It's a symbol.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2017 10:42 AM  

"Disagree. I believe many of these "creators" and "fans" know *exactly* what they are doing with the medium, and the results seen are *exactly* as intended by them."

That's not what I meant. Of course they know what they are doing. What they do not know... and what they are always shocked by... is how normal people respond to what they are doing.

One thing to keep in mind about SJWs. They always expect to be hailed as heros. They always expect their work to be loved and be super popular.

They are broken to the point that they cannot relate to, or predict, normal human likes or behavior.

Anonymous Athor Pel September 22, 2017 10:43 AM  

"52. Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 9:11 AM
...
I believe many of these "creators" and "fans" know *exactly* what they are doing with the medium, and the results seen are *exactly* as intended by them.
"



I'm not so sure. These ...people don't understand reciprocity or trust or functioning families or communities built on those things.

They may have a gut intuition for things that infuriate normal people but they do not understand the ultimate implications of what they are doing. Currently they benefit from a wealthy anonymous urban existence free from immediate push back and consequence. Put them in an existential crisis with those normal people they so happily denigrate and watch how fast they get shunned and starve to death, or they get caught by hungry dindus and eaten,

They're emotionally and congnitively immature. Much like a teenager that gets off on pushing buttons just to get a reaction. But in this case they are pushing an edge that has a very nasty precipice under it. This is what responsible parents are for, raising children into adults that don't get themselves killed doing something stupid.

Anonymous Nathan September 22, 2017 10:45 AM  

"It is the cumulative effect of all movies and merchandise and games that props up the comics divisions"

We already saw the failure of this model in late 2010s anime. Shows existed, oftentimes with audiences in the mere thousands, to sell waifu pillows, plastic statues, card games, and other merch madness. Anime studios bragged not about the quality of their stories, but about their ability to sell absolutely anything. And then, in 2010-2011, the audience stopped buying merch.

Comics are set for a crash even worse than current levels as soon as the superhero movie craze stops selling knick-knacks in Target and Walmart.

Blogger tuberman September 22, 2017 10:45 AM  

79. JE

Take your time, Use Paragraphs, then come back and write more about comic industry today

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 10:46 AM  

Nate wrote:"Disagree. I believe many of these "creators" and "fans" know *exactly* what they are doing with the medium, and the results seen are *exactly* as intended by them."

That's not what I meant. Of course they know what they are doing. What they do not know... and what they are always shocked by... is how normal people respond to what they are doing.

One thing to keep in mind about SJWs. They always expect to be hailed as heros. They always expect their work to be loved and be super popular.

They are broken to the point that they cannot relate to, or predict, normal human likes or behavior.


Thanks for the clarification. Understood, and concur with your points.

Anonymous lurker September 22, 2017 10:47 AM  

"These people, Kurt Busiek, et. al. are absolute lunatics: mor-babies acting like two year-olds doing nothing but throwing tantrums, consuming things given to them by adults, and shitting all the time. Without any of the cuteness."

Golden.

Blogger tuberman September 22, 2017 10:48 AM  

I can only see Alt*Comics as a huge hit. Distribution will be the only slow-down factor.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 22, 2017 10:48 AM  

In the 4-issue Dark Knight Returns (1986?), priced at $3 an issue or so, society in the 2000s collapses beneath the weight of diversity, crime and professionalized victimhood (tranny mental patient Joker and a machinegun toting butch Nazi with swastikas on her breasts both take advantage of public SJW victim status), as well as two-faced politicians who have been externally rehabilitated.

Aimless retarded young gang members cause all sorts of mayhem until their despair over a fallen society is exposed and reformed under Batman's iron hand.

Batman leads the nation of Gotham against the tyranny of the State, and fights, on horseback, for his people.

The Dark Knight is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term.
The Dark Knight is the alternative to mainstream heroism.
The Dark Knight has not a defensive attitude, but is offensive in every sense of the word.
The Dark Knight believes that Western Civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement.
The Dark Knight is avowedly nationalist. (He leads Gotham to secede from and resist the U.S.)
The Dark Knight is anti-globalist. (He directly opposes the international ban/subjugation of superheroes)
The Dark Knight is anti-equalitarian. (“You've got rights. Lots of rights. Sometimes I count them just to make myself feel crazy.” )
The Dark Knight is scientodific.
The Dark Knight believes identity > culture > politics.
The Dark Knight is opposed to the rule of one ethnic group over another.
The Dark Knight understands that Diversity + Proximity = War
The Dark Knight doesn't care what you think of him...

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 22, 2017 10:56 AM  

Jon D. wrote:It's gone from blackballing and forcing their terrible comics with idiotic message fiction on everyone now to making threats to reviewers (Diversity & Comics) to try to get them framed for crimes at conventions to try to shut down anyone talking about it. Their sales have failed. The blackballing failed. Now they're edging closer to violence.

The comic industry SJWs are Antifa terrorists. Pure and simple.



That's the other way you know the rot is to the core. Their editors and writers go on constant political rants/witch hunts and hurl insults at customers online while displaying who employs them prominently. This includes incitements to violence such as advocating beating all cis white men with a baseball bat. This behavior is not tolerated by any business that is not completely converged. At the very least they would be asked to remove any references to their employer in their profile but usually its immediate termination. Instead this behavior is encouraged.

Blogger DeploraBard September 22, 2017 10:59 AM  

Creel should have touched SheThor, absorbed girl-power, and beat the diversity out of her with it. I really had no idea it was that bad. Now all Marvel comics will be one panel. Bad guy doing something wrong, FemThor arrives, end of story. What plot, what suspense, what character development. Like Nate said, even the art sucks. Cut out her tits and her ass looked like a flappy pancake. No way they are selling 20k copies of that.


Blogger tuberman September 22, 2017 10:59 AM  

SJWs are stuck in what I define as "Group Solipsism," as their hive mind never gets out of their circle to test reality, as they are so certain they can bend reality to their narrative. Yet, because there is no living rebuild of their worldview, results are entropy, disorder, turbulence, confusion, and that will soon cause anxiety, then insanity.

The Insane like the Stupid do not survive.

Blogger DeploraBard September 22, 2017 11:00 AM  

VD,
Alt-Hero will be in print, not digital correct?

Anonymous Ivan Throne September 22, 2017 11:04 AM  

Upon reading the Marvel panel above, I suppressed vomit.

I had no idea Marvel had gotten that converged. It's one thing to hear about it or read about it, but upon seeing it there is no question that Marvel has devolved what was once a great company into an absolutely execrable, unforgivably disgusting pile of SJW grotesquerie.


Alt⭐️Hero cannot come quickly enough.

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger OGRE September 22, 2017 11:06 AM  

Read this post and the comments, then over at Reason there is a post about a 'feminist' porn company that bore a striking resemblance to the pattern described here. Woman decides to invade the male dominated industry of porn and provide an 'ethical porn' environment for men and women outside of the 'patriarchial, heteronormative' norms.

And she does this by pirating the works produced by other producers and porn stars and hosting them on her site...

Basically she takes the works of others and acts as if hosting them herself somehow transforms the work into 'ethical porn'...simply by her (albeit pirated) association with it.

This is not so unlike what the SJWs have done in comics. They've invaded a distinctly male focused environment and act as if simply associating their superior moral selves with the product somehow transforms a work from unethical to ethical. With little or no effort put in to actually creating new works or adding to existing ones. (And then professes exasperation over the fact that nobody is buying what shes selling.)

Apparently our millennial moralists are such exemplary specimens of ethical excellence that they can infuse everything around them with moral goodness...just by being associated with them in some way. Talk about a super power! Even Jesus doesn't make such a claim...

Blogger DeploraBard September 22, 2017 11:11 AM  

94) I had the same reaction. 21 boxes of 70s, 80s, and 90s Marvel comics in the basement. Have not purchased a single one since 03. Completely different actually seeing the panels.

Anonymous BBGKB September 22, 2017 11:14 AM  

Moslem Green Lantern motto-
In Brightest Day In blackest night
No unattended 12yo white girl shall escape my sight
Let those who worship civilizations might
Behold my power Green Suicide Vests light.

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 11:15 AM  

Alt-Hero will be in print, not digital correct?

Single books will be digital. Three-volume omnibus books will be paperback and hardcover.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 22, 2017 11:19 AM  

@All "I had no idea" readers.

Seeing is believing. A pic is worth 1,000 explanations.
Pass the panels on to other comicfans who have no idea.
Support Alt⭐️Hero

Anonymous JeremiahEmbs September 22, 2017 11:22 AM  

VD asked why Disney takes on these companies. I was told by an insider at the time of the announcement of the acquisition of Marvel by Disney that while the multiple princess theme was doing well attracting girls to Disneyland boys' interest in the theme park was dropping dramatically and so acquiring the Marvel characters would allow Disneyland to develop attractions for them. This is ironic of course because the comic divisions themselves were trying to attract female readers. This is a problem a lot of companies have. Gender is real, so it is hard to market a product to both males and females at the same time so half the potential customers are always lost. As a side note this is the reason manscaping was pushed so razor companies could sell more blades and spa services and hair "products" to men and why makeup companies are trying to get men to wear makeup. In the same way Disney who also acquired Star Wars pushes Star Wars makeup kits to girls using the Star Wars movies that debuted featuring females as the main characters. Disney acquired Star Wars which created a little problem in the comic book industry because Star Wars comics were produced by Dark Horse (I did some Boba Fett comics for them a long time ago - Star Wars was always a giant money maker for Dark Horse). Dark Horse did a lot of Fox properties and comics based on shows and movies like Buffy and Aliens and so on. (Eventually IDW picked up Spike and Angel which I also worked on with Jason Jensen). But of course with Disney owning Marvel it was obvious Marvel should be making Star Wars comics so for a while it was questionable as to what Disney should do. Well the Darkhorse contract for Star Wars comics was allowed to continue until it was to be renewed at which time it was transfered to Marvel. I don't know how well the Star Wars comics have done under them though so that's all the information I have. But hopefully that answers your question. The acquisition was mostly about propping up the theme park from what I was told. And that makes some sense because Disney had the "Star Tours" attraction a long time before official acquisition of the Star Wars property.

Blogger DeploraBard September 22, 2017 11:27 AM  

98) Great, prefer tangible in hand. I imagine Single editions are cost prohibitive in the beginning.

Anonymous BBGKB September 22, 2017 11:31 AM  

If you are going to have a lesbian EU hero that uses her vagina as an effective shield it's already been done.

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 11:32 AM  

JeremiahEmbs, learn to use carriage returns and paragraphs. Walls of text are difficult to read.

Blogger DeploraBard September 22, 2017 11:35 AM  

100) It's ironic that if they would separate attractions based on sex, they would do fine. Princess land for girls, Star Wars/Marvel for boys. Harry Potter at Universal might be the closest they will ever get to a quality mix for both. You simply have to have a target audience. You cannot please everyone.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2017 11:40 AM  

Apparently the wrecking crew has been turned into women, along with she-Thor.

Anonymous lurker September 22, 2017 11:40 AM  

"98) Great, prefer tangible in hand. I imagine Single editions are cost prohibitive in the beginning."

Leftard goobermint liebraries are always accepting donations for books. And like the rapacious monsters goobermints are they also sell said donations and used books to the public to raise even more money on top of their "tax" extortion. Wonder if any of Vox's books make it to the city library shelves?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2017 11:42 AM  

Blotting out is a good term.
I've always used the term Palette Swap - which also references Mortal Kombat.

Blogger Feather Blade September 22, 2017 11:44 AM  

rightwing victim culture *Snort*

This is the most pitiful, weak, and transparent DARVO attempt I've ever seen.

I know that there are right-wingers who are legitimate victims or who would love to wallow in their own perceived victimhood, but there is no "culture" that allows them to do this.

Blogger Tizzo Heavy September 22, 2017 11:50 AM  

In response to an earlier poster that mentioned how 'Monster Hunter International' would make an excellent comic book (it would), I would also suggest that Larry's 'Hard Magic' series would be pretty awesome as a graphic novel. Honestly, my wallet would be catching fire, I'd be buying it so fast.

Another story I'd really love to see in comics format is 'Worm' by J. C. McRae. The story itself is good, with an interesting premise and a memorable cast. Pretty good sized fan community, too.

It would really need an editor to cut the fat though, 1,680,000 words is a bit much.

Here's the TV Tropes page if any of you want to check it out:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Worm

Blogger Nate September 22, 2017 11:50 AM  

"Single books will be digital. Three-volume omnibus books will be paperback and hardcover."

it makes me consider the opportunity of offering print versions of some of the popular webcomics that not converged... like Homestar Runner for example.

Blogger Akulkis September 22, 2017 11:55 AM  

"For the SJWs, a "hero" is a "hero" for the sake of being one."

That's because SJWs are all about credentials and pieces of paper saying Mr X is a such and such, so don't you dare question his competence at it. On the oher hand, a highly accomplished such-and-such without a piece of paper like Mr X will be dismissed out of hand. Not listened to and certainly not even considered for hiring, even if there is a complete lack of "papered" candidates.

Blogger The Aardvark September 22, 2017 11:57 AM  

"She-Hulk has lost her John Byrne era good looks"

Spot-on.

Blogger Akulkis September 22, 2017 11:59 AM  

Need to tear down a couple MLK statues and the this will stop immediately; simultaneously, the left will call for an immediate halt on destruction of (their) social icons and subversion of ( their) institutions.

Blogger Darwinian Arminian September 22, 2017 12:04 PM  

Magic Negro Batman

Wait, Batman's black now? When did that happen? I knew that Marvel switched over to Diversity Captain America, feminist Iron Man and "It's Her Turn" Thorita a while back, but from the last I'd heard, DC's attempt to jump on the bandwagon hadn't gone much farther than the gay Green Lantern that followed Muslim Green Lantern.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 22, 2017 12:06 PM  

Would be interested to find common qualities in a list of things SJWs have converged. Talking animal fiction (CS Lewis, Redwall) is completely unscathed so far, AFAIK.

Blogger Clint September 22, 2017 12:08 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Would be interested to find common qualities in a list of things SJWs have converged. Talking animal fiction (CS Lewis, Redwall) is completely unscathed so far, AFAIK.
Chuck Tingle excluded, I presume?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2017 12:11 PM  

@109 Tizzo Heavy

I would also suggest that Larry's 'Hard Magic' series would be pretty awesome as a graphic novel. Honestly, my wallet would be catching fire, I'd be buying it so fast.
---

Me too. Both of the series would be epic comics.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 22, 2017 12:20 PM  

@113 I have the perfect troll justification for tearing down the MLK statue. MLK was a socialist and that economic system deprives individuals of their rights. It also makes people dependent and unable to produce for themselves. All one needs to do is look at the way Great Society destroyed the social fabric of the Black community.

Additionally, replace ALL MLK statues with statues of Elijah Muhammad who advocated Black independence through self help and the development of Black owned institutions based in the Black community.

You'll piss off all the right people with that proposal: SJWs, Cuckservatives, and the Islamists (they are no fans of the Nation of Islam).

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 22, 2017 12:31 PM  

Clint,

Yeah, and I exclude furry fanfics because porn isn't convergence (with caveats).

Blogger Jesse Jackson September 22, 2017 12:35 PM  

I remember when comics were a great place to escape reality for a bit and relax. Where do kids go for escape now? The left wing has it's tentacles everywhere. It's no wonder so many young whites are turning to opiates.

Blogger Clint September 22, 2017 12:37 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Clint,

Yeah, and I exclude furry fanfics because porn isn't convergence (with caveats).

I was just being snarky. I know.

Blogger DeploraBard September 22, 2017 12:38 PM  

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Blogger DeploraBard September 22, 2017 12:40 PM  

Al,
You would have to tear down thousands of street signs as well

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 22, 2017 12:56 PM  

VD You have to work with our artist.

Jeremiah, imagine you're a letterer (do they still have those?) and you have to fit your sentences into the word bubbles. Every time you would switch to a new word bubble hit 'return' on your keyboard twice.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 22, 2017 12:59 PM  

The dumbest thing about female Thor is that there is a real daughter of Thor in Norse mythology, Þrúðr (Thrud).

The whole point of it is to piss on maleness.

Perhaps Thrud can be added to the Alt-Heros in a slap at the SJW-tards, but making her more like John C. Wright's latest Japanese girl hero rather than a faux-male.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 22, 2017 1:00 PM  

Falcon has filled in for cap before if I remember correctly. It's not a bad fit but it takes away a perfectly good character that I loved and gains nothing.

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 1:04 PM  

@15-I'm at a loss as to how banjos are an artform. I like how he adds "as we know it today" to fudge the origins of musical comedy. Ballad opera goes back to the 1700s, and vaudeville before then. American plays made use of popular European music for the longest time. It's really not a uniquely American artform.

Jazz is dead as a living art. It keeps going like classical music does: as a museum piece. Comic books are dying. The only thing on that list with any life left is detective stories.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 22, 2017 1:06 PM  

@118 Al from Bay Short
Additionally, replace ALL MLK statues with statues of Elijah Muhammad

Splodey heads all around. Except maybe the Hoteps.

Blogger VD September 22, 2017 1:06 PM  

VD You have to work with our artist.

Who is he and why?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 22, 2017 1:10 PM  

The whole Thorette business is ancient. Thor was mocked in a story by putting him in a wedding dress to get back his hammer. He got his revenge when he was able to get his hammer back. The sjws not only cannot come up with an original way to mock Thor they cannot do it as well as storytellers a thousand years ago.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 22, 2017 1:12 PM  

Honestly I was kidding. I haven't followed comics for a long time. Thus my dated joke about working with a letterer.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 22, 2017 1:13 PM  

The whole point of it is to piss on maleness.

Right. If they just wanted heroines, there are plenty of those available, or they could make new ones. It's about taking something that represents masculinity and civilized virtues and defacing it while those who admire it watch helplessly. It's the 2D version of tearing down statues.

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 1:21 PM  

@128-"I'm at a loss as to how banjos are an artform"

The other examples aren't artforms, either, by the way. They're genres or subgenres of larger forms. But the banjo, that's just an instrument.

Did he mean minstrelsy, or something?

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 1:25 PM  

"This is like Muslims dynamiting the giant statues of Buddha in Afghanistan"

Why are we still using that example? There's an epidemic of iconoclasm in our country right now.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2017 1:26 PM  

@127 shhhh. you have no idea what you're talking about. Jazz is alive and well. You just have no idea where to look for it because it isn't where you think it is.

As for banjos... Appalachia has never particularly cared what you, or anyone else, thinks of it or its art.

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 1:46 PM  

@135-I'll append the word "popular" to jazz to get at what I'm talking about. Jazz as a popular American artform is dead. Because the point of such a thing is to appeal to a wide swath of people, not a dozen guys in scattered locations across the country.

If Jazz wants to be like the folk music of Bumwad County, U.S.A., which exists in Bumwad County and nowhere else, or modern art, which only needs to be appreciated by one person or less to exist, fine. But that's not what jazz was. And what it was is dead.

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 1:55 PM  

@135-Appalachia has no special claim on the banjo, though the instrument is currently popularly associated with hillbilly music. It used to be associated with black people, coming to the attention of mass white audiences through minstrel music.

In any case, doesn't matter what Appalachia thinks, it's an instrument not an artform.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2017 1:56 PM  

"But that's not what jazz was. And what it was is dead. "

I don't think it ever was what you think it was. it was popular. Sure. But that popularity has no baring on what it was... or what it is.

jazz was... music by musicians largely for musicians. It still is. its influence has moved around a lot in the decades... but its still has its moments. Bela Fleck being a notable modern example... much more notable examples you would have to go find in places you'd likely not want to look. For example... jazz is currently taking over metal.

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 2:04 PM  

@135-By the way, classical music is still being produced, as well, and not all of it is a God-awful mess. But if I were to argue with someone who said it was dead, I'd be a liar. Because we'd both know what it means for classical music to live or die. It's dead as the primary vehicle of expression of fine musical art. Not only does it lack popular interest, it lacks elite interest, too. Or rather the "elite" that patronizes it is tiny--much smaller than before--and doesn't really believe in it itself.

Jazz was a popular musical genre, and therefore its life depends much more on masses of people being interested. You turn it into an elite form, which they tried to do, and you change its character. But it's not really that anymore, either, though they tried to prop it up as a museum piece like classical music. When it becomes a "throwback" genre like "trad-jazz" is, obviously it's dead. But when it becomes a niche genre, like any of the countless subgenres of rock--which is still alive--it's also dead, in my opinion. Because it used to be the dominant, mainstream genre. It can't go back to being just one of many.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2017 2:12 PM  

"Jazz was a popular musical genre, and therefore its life depends much more on masses of people being interested"

That's just it. It wasn't. It was elite genre that gained wide appeal by being watered down.

now its back to being an elite genre. its influence as an elite genre is primarily being demonstrated in the world of metal right now.

Blogger Thucydides September 22, 2017 2:15 PM  

While original work is always best, there is plenty of classic literature to mine in order to fill the gaps and provide entry points across the board.

Imagine finding a master illustrator to do the Iliad and Odyssey, for example, or the Three Musketeers. These are stories which people "sort of" know already, so a well illustrated series or graphic novel which faithfully adapts the story will be a revelation to readers, and perhaps the way to pull people back into classical Western culture through a side door.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 22, 2017 2:20 PM  

Nate wrote:For an Xer that grew up reading comics... its like coming back to your hometown to find the church you were raised in is now an abortion clinic.
That is an arresting visual image. Somebody needs to use it in a comic.

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 2:21 PM  

@138-"jazz was music by musicians largely for musicians"

That's an absurd statement. Possibly it could be an accurate statement of jazz after bebop. But then I'd say bebop killed jazz. I do say that, anyway.

As I said, jazz was *the* dominant form of popular Americans music for a while (early to mid-20th century). It was for everybody. Broadly construed, jazz is popular song (largely the type of song finding its origin in black American delta music) augmented by improvisation in performance to make the instruments "sing," metaphorically speaking. Not to please the musician, but to please the audience. Because people wouldn't care, nor would the genre be remembered, if none but the people playing it listened. Certainly it wouldn't have lasted for over a hundred years. (If it did.)

"jazz is currently taking over metal"

I was going to add something about jazz continuing in the form of fusion with other genres, but I don't think that's a sign of life. You can fuse any number of old genres into new music, and jazz is a popular way to do so because it is what you might call a musicianly genre. But that doesn't make what it's fused into jazz. Jazzy metal is still metal, merely metal played in a jazzy manner.

Unless you mean metal is literally turning into jazz, which I doubt.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 22, 2017 2:22 PM  

Thucydides wrote:While original work is always best, there is plenty of classic literature to mine in order to fill the gaps and provide entry points across the board.

Imagine finding a master illustrator to do the Iliad and Odyssey, for example, or the Three Musketeers. These are stories which people "sort of" know already, so a well illustrated series or graphic novel which faithfully adapts the story will be a revelation to readers, and perhaps the way to pull people back into classical Western culture through a side door.


21st Century Classics Illustrated

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 22, 2017 2:22 PM  

Jazz is definitely still alive. It's just not labelled jazz anymore.
Hint: both Steely Dan and Chicago were jazz bands.

Blogger OGRE September 22, 2017 2:28 PM  

Is there any 'dominant, mainstream genre' of music anymore?

Sure we have whats on the radio, that nobody listens to unless they have to. But that hasn't really changed all that much since the 40s, just the technology involved and the style of the performers appearance. Popular music is still just teen drama emotions sung by pretty people over basic 4-chord progressions. Harry Styles = Justin Timberlake = Donny Osmond = Ricky Nelson = (early) Frank Sinatra

But with our ipods and cell phones able to transport massive libraries of particular music wherever we go, people aren't stuck listening to what the radio and MTV plays. So whats popular has become atomized among individuals and smaller groups. And more artists are creating much broader categories of music, as the barriers to producing and publishing content have dropped enormously; you don't need a major record label to have a youtube channel or to upload your mp3s.

I'm pretty convinced that whats consideered the most 'popular' music today is simply an illusion. Its what the TV execs and RIAA want to be popular, so they say that it is and it is so. How many people know anyone who listens to Skrillex? and hes got a top 20 youtube music channel.

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 2:30 PM  

@140-I don't know, maybe you're dating the origin of jazz to Miles Davis, or something. Go back to the 19th century. Jazz was--and is, if it still exists--a popular music genre.

It became an elite, or pseudo-elite, genre with the advent of bebop. That's when jazz musicians started playing for eachother rather than audience, and people got thrills from recognizing allusions hidden to the lay audience, and when virtuosity eclipsed tune and danceability as the main point. No coincidence that as that kind of jazz are up the genre, regular people stopped singing and dancing to jazz music, and genres like rock and roll jumped in to fill the gap.

Modern, elite jazz resembles modern art in its unpopularity. Jazz wasn't always like that.

Blogger David September 22, 2017 2:30 PM  

@Nate

What's this jazz metal you speak of and where I can I find it?

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 2:37 PM  

@146-It's difficult to answer, because I think there are actually several separate subjects at play in your post, and I have a lot of thoughts on all of them. I've long thought there was a different between what people call "pop music," which is mass-produced commercial music, and the dominant popular form of music, which right now I'd say is still rock, in the form of hip-hop.

Sinatra is "pop" just like Donny Osmond. But unlike Osmond, he did jazz instead of rock.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 22, 2017 2:39 PM  

@145

Snidely, I'd argue both were pop bands with jazz flavoring. Of the two, Steely Dan were miles more jazz-legit (and utterly brilliant in other ways).

You can hardly help being legit when you have your own chord:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Mu_chord

Blogger DeploraBard September 22, 2017 2:42 PM  

The banjo is best enjoyed live.
Don't give Vox any ideas, next will be Baby Jazz

Blogger John Williams September 22, 2017 2:46 PM  

the girl version of Iron Man is both utterly incompetent, and utterly flattered, praised, and supported by one and all.
Sounds like our black version of President.

Blogger Jon Mollison September 22, 2017 2:50 PM  

Wait...
"you convince yourself both that you and your hobby are horribly oppressed and bullied by the jocks"

They think they are the jocks in this scenario? The blimps and gimps and noodle-armed SJWs think we see them as the jocks? They really are delusional.

Blogger D. Bay September 22, 2017 2:55 PM  

"Girl-Power Pass".

What utter shit. Craptastic and terrible preachy, puke inducing, politically correct Social Justice Warrior garbage that passes itself off as writing.

No wonder the new comic books aren't selling.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 22, 2017 3:49 PM  

@15
Comics were identified by Harlan Ellison as one of 5 truly unique American art forms.

So? Who died and made Harlan Ellison an authority on anything American, art in any form, or any other topic besides the art of the lawsuit?

I can't believe y'all are arguing about culture based on something that Harlan Ellison may have said.

Harlan. "Lawfare". Ellison. Really? Serious? Meh.

Blogger D. Bay September 22, 2017 3:55 PM  

@114

"Wait, Batman's black now? When did that happen?"

He's not Bruce Wayne. He's basically the African Batman, a different character, Batwing.

OpenID doktorjeep September 22, 2017 4:03 PM  

What about Captain Sweden?

Blogger Akulkis September 22, 2017 4:47 PM  

Captain Sweden is a black from Sudan.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 22, 2017 4:49 PM  

Holger Danske. That's who they should use but against globalists.

Blogger tz September 22, 2017 5:46 PM  

The thing about Christendom and Western Civilization is not merely the tree of liberty but when mature, the flower of the aesthetics and art they created. The Medieval Cathedral. Shakespear. Gothe. Bach. Handel. Mozart. Beethoven.

There are even some within the last 100 years. Lewis. Tolkien. Even the great SF/F of Burroghs, Jules Verne. Arthur Conan Doyle. And the classics of Asimov, Niven and Pournelle (may he R.I.P. and let eternal light shine upon him).

I forgot where, it may have been a leftist, that noted that dictators first arrest artists and destroy art. Because that can affect people at all levels.

While comics seems to be the small and far edge, there have been few or no great story arcs the last few decades as evidenced by the large number of reboots.

Half of the problem is that anything intersting is going to be attacked by SJWs, or by the counter-insurgency praising counter-dreck.

So there will be nothing like a Silver Surfer, a Galactus, Rogue, Cyclops. Perhaps worse, there will not be a real Loki, Luthor, Sinestro, or real villian.

Wright concentrates on the heroes, but the greater problem is the lack of real villians. The last one was Heath Ledger's Joker. Real villians find the contradiction in the hero. They are subtle and complex. They also have the three paths. The evil aristocrat. The one who achieved (and may have lost everything). The lowlife who is empowered for revenge.

What used to be complex morality plays - I'm thinking the first Twilight Zone series - are now plastic kindergarten do-bee and don't-bee boring readers. Not just that, but the current "sins" are not merely SJW un-PC but they are so petty. Bland. Salt without savor trying to preserve something tasteless (in more ways than one).

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 5:57 PM  

@146-I'd like to add that the declining influence of pop music--meaning mass-produced commercial music--has to do with the decline of the MSM and the atomization, as you put it, of public taste. But that's not the whole story. Because in other areas of pop culture there are still massively influential products. And the MSM isn't as weak as it's often made out to be. It still successfully exposes people to its products. Much moreso than, for instance, the publishing industry managed to expose the works of Stephen Foster more than 150 years ago. Yet everyone's still familiar with half a dozen or so of his songs.

Mass-produced books, tv shows, video games, and movies have more influence in their respective fields than a lot of the best-known pop music acts. Or at least that's my sense. Pop music ought to be more easy to disseminate because it's "bite-sized," but is falling behind. Why? I don't really know. For whatever reason, it got rapidly more homogeneous and stupid, as well as less musical, over the past few decades. Partly that's the Loudness War, which sacrificed dynamics for ear-catching volume and thus made everything on the radio--except classical music and certain other genres that didn't care about bringing in the highest audience possible--sound the same.

But it doesn't stop at dynamics. Pop music is devoid of timbre, harmony, and melody, too. You can at least depend on there being some type of rhythm, because you can't have music without it. But it's gotten awfully inconstant, changeable, and muddled. I'd like to blame it all on globalism and appealing to the lowest common denominator, but I don't know. There's something else at play.

It's like music is now thought to be in essence something to catch the ear, like an advertising slogan. Which is why much pop music consists of nothing more than a "hook" and a beat, interrupted by strange noises. With some familiar repeated sounds and musical phrases ("whoa-oh" or "woo-woo") so you know it's supposed to be music.

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 6:06 PM  

@160-Aside from their sameness--the only variety being whether they're light (mostly Marvel) or dark (mostly D.C.)--the lack of good villains is what annoys me about recent superhero movies. It's not very difficult. Good good versus evil stories need a character to represent the evil side. And you may as well make it a good character, right?

Has a Marvel movie ever had a single decent villain? The best one, Iron Man, basically ended for me in the second act because I didn't care about their attempt to turn Tony Stark's business associate into Evil Iron Man. The Avengers at least tried by making the villain Thor's brother, but I don't even remember what he was supposed to represent.

The Dark Knight was far and away the best of the lot thanks to the Joker. That's also what makes Tim Burton's Batman better than all the recent superhero movies except (maybe including) the Dark Knight.

Didn't everyone making these movies grow up watching Star Wars? Don't they know Darth Vader is far and away the most popular character?

Blogger tz September 22, 2017 6:07 PM  

addendum: (movies)
Doc Octopus in how many Spiderman's ago? is also a great villian. Green Goblin too though a lesser extent. Magneto is forced. Dr. Doom was a near miss. The original, not whatever that too soon reboot with the black a-hole. Iron Man 3's Mandarin was an abomination. I'm trying to remeber anything in the recent DC movies - Wonder Woman didn't turn green and say "puny god"?.

The devil in red underwear holding a pitchfork is more threatening iconic evil than almost anything recent.

Hint: Create a real, complex villian. Then the heroes will fall into place.

Blogger Dave W. September 22, 2017 6:14 PM  

Good grief. Thanks for reminding me exactly why I quit reading Marvel and DC. The Spiderman Clone Saga was more than I could take.... this... this tripe would've given me an aneurysm.

Blogger tz September 22, 2017 6:19 PM  

@162, see my subsequent post, but fully agree. You need a Sauron, and the shadows like Saruman for there to be any story. Even the Hobbit with shifting enemies or problems.

Percy Jones had better villians but these were based on greek mythology.

Ultron had some moments, but ended up with stupid tropes.

Boris and Natasha made better villians.

Taz, Yosemite Sam, and Elmer Fudd made better villians.

Epic anything needs epic villians. Even Gollum as the opposite end of Sauron. Both perished in Mt. Doom.

Blogger tz September 22, 2017 6:24 PM  

@162 Iron Man may be the worst in this. The original stories had an interstellar dragon crash with power crystals that the Mandarin turned into power rings and this multi-way conflict provided endless storylines. The Mandarin was powerful and subtle.

In the movies, Ben Kingsley? What a waste. Why not Adam Sandler? Or Woody Harilson? Or Betty White for that matter.

Blogger Rough Carrigan September 22, 2017 6:36 PM  

Just a suggestion, Vox. Maybe you should have a villain who's essentially Ray Kurzweil

Blogger tublecane September 22, 2017 8:44 PM  

@140-It occurred to me that many are of the opinion that "jazz" is by definition distinct from popular music. Probably many musicians and most aficionados agree. But I don't.

The "watered down" argument is slightly different. That, I think, derives from the fact that when jazz went mainstream it was homogenized and polished up, like everything that is born in the streets before it's turned into a mass commodity. (Although sometimes it goes the other way, and things that start out quaint and pleasant are dirtied up.) That happened to rock and roll, as well. Sometimes you hear pop rock excoriated as not "the real thing," but hardly anyone thinks the most elevated form of rock isn't popular music.

To some, everything that's not from the pure line of True Jazz--the boundary of which is entirely unstable--is Fake Jazz, including the best-known versions, which are the Big Band and Broadway variety. I wonder, what do we call jazzy pop music, if not "jazz?" There simply isn't any other name. Unless we just lump it in with the rest of the blues.

No one really agrees on the origin of the term, but I don't think it appears in writing until long after popular and elevated, musicianly jazz already existed. Since the folk and pop versions came chronologically before the elite version, I don't see why the elite version gets to hog the name.

Tracing the pop/folk origin of jazz music, you'll find it in the same place as the rest of popular American black music: the delta. After minstrelsy, the mainline of black American music is called the blues. The blues can roughly be split up into two varieties: the Country Blues and the City Blues. Country Blues gives us the blues as we know them and country music (which also derives from European and white American folk music, including bluegrass and Western). The City Blues gives us ragtime, jazz, boogie-woogie, and r&b. Jazz proper was developed in the late 1800s in New Orleans from the common share of City Blues as dance music on the streets and in clubs. Not for musicians to impress eachother, but for people to get down.

Now, because improvisation was an essential ingredient, jazz more than many another genre is a Performer's Art. Meaning the art is in the performance rather than the composition. (Performance itself can be compositional, of course.) But that hardly means True Jazz is for the performer instead of the listener. It was, until it went off the rails with bebop and New Jazz, a genre for regular folks to enjoy.

It then grew into the dominant form of popular music in the 20s, which is known as the "Jazz Age." This is when it got polished up from the previously nastier Hot Jazz. It may very well in the process have lost musicianship. But then you have the exact same situation faced by, say, Progressive Rock. (Which itself happens to be jazzy, but that's not the point ) If prog rock wants to be "commercial," it has to dumb down the music. Other things being equal, dumber is more popular, because most people are dumb. Most people aren't interested in jazz or rock that's sophisticated as possible within the confines of the genre. But with prog-rock l, at least, no one talks like it doesn't have popular origins. Everyone knows it comes from rock.

Just like everyone should know high-falutin' jazz comes from pop/folk (whichever you want to call it) jazz. Or the City Blues, if you will. Whatever you call the popular Ur-music that kicked off the genre.

I call it jazz, like all normal people.


Blogger Dire Badger September 23, 2017 12:04 AM  

I could absolutely and happily do a comic book like this, but while I make a living as an artist, my humor, writing, and pacing absolutely suck.

I groan at folks that say art is 'talent' when what it really is is decades of hard work and learning from your mistakes, but with writing...well... you cannot SEE your mistakes and will never even notice them unless someone points them out.

Gifted writers (and especially the ones that can add comic elements) provoke awe... I can easily do the art, but will probably never find someone to WRITE the story, because that takes real talent.

Blogger tublecane September 23, 2017 1:00 AM  

@169-Writing requires skill and practice, too.

You can't see bad writing the same way you see drawing, but you can learn how to proofread yourself. You'll never catch everything, but you can make it better. I'm surprised by how seldom people read back what they wrote out loud, or even read back over it at all.

Blogger Buybuydandavis September 23, 2017 3:33 AM  

JCW: This is like Muslims dynamiting the giant statues of Buddha in Afghanistan. It is the destruction of the icons and symbols of infidels.

They'll do that, but the preferred tactic is more like what they've done with Captain America - not replacing him with the SJW correct version, but subverting and perverting everything that he ever was.

He who controls the past controls the future.
He who controls the present controls the past.

Instead of killing him off, it's much more effective to retcon his entire existence into Evil Nazi Man. That destroys the narrative of what he ever was.

All the recent Stephen R. Donaldson talk leaves one of his quotes fresh:
Q: How do you hurt a man who has lost everything?
A: Give him back something broken.

This is really what they're after. To take something meaningful, and to twist it and pervert it.

Give it back as something broken.

SJ is cancer.

OpenID chronicrpg September 23, 2017 5:19 AM  

@160
"Wright concentrates on the heroes, but the greater problem is the lack of real villians."

The closer you are to SJWs, the less you able to write a convincing villain. A designated bad guy must be either practically a non-entity, or a caricature without a single good trait, and incapable of constructing an argument for his actions (not that it is at all exclusive to SJWs, just for example, John Wright himself from whose article this thread has started, also does not particularly believe in complex villains; but uniformity of such approach among SJWs-lefties makes it particularly noticeable, and for that matter John Wright can and does write arguments for villains, even though they are clearly supposed to be bullshit). For a time I did not understand why that was true, even for authors of undeniable talent.

After looking at SJWs some more, I've come to the conclusion that this is an aspect of being chronically unable to put themselves into characters who have different opinions and ideas from themselves, and indeed to acknowledge that difference of opinions and ideas is something that may be allowed to exist. The very thought of the possibility that an author may write a character with whose views he disagrees without demonstrating that disagreement in strongest possible ways, is just about inconceivable to them, and indeed they hard time even contemplating any middle ground between "self-insert" and "designated bad guy".

Blogger VD September 23, 2017 1:15 PM  

Delete what you want....

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident September 23, 2017 10:18 PM  

This makes me sad. My now-adult son sharpened his reading skills on the DC Encyclopedia. He loved his first copy to death (literally, it had to be replaced when it fell apart.)

We were yearly attendees at Alex Ross's Halloween extravaganzas. We watched hours and hours of Batman TAS and Batman Beyond.

Such a waste.

May those responsible for this travesty burn.

Blogger wreckage September 24, 2017 12:10 AM  

The SJWs have really gone long on gaslighting this season, haven't they?

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 24, 2017 2:06 AM  

@113 Spot on.  Also all MLK Blvd signs and Black iconage/statues of any sort, including "The Fist" in Detoilet.  That last could probably be delegated to Blacks; they'll steal anything, let them do it.

Blogger Scott September 29, 2017 8:48 AM  

Look for My Hero Academia on Crunchyroll.com. It is Japanese, but has more classic Superhero tropes, than anything from Marvel. It is sort of a redo of the Kurt Russel Movie "Sky High" but better.

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