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Thursday, September 21, 2017

That would be why

Some people asked me why I didn't choose CounterFund for Voxiversity and Alt⭐️Hero. The truth is that I never considered using Counterfund at all. Remember what I said about Andrew Torba not being ready for prime time? Well, in my opinion, neither is Pax Dickinson. He had been directing his attacks at Charles Johnson, not me, but I was aware that anyone who behaved that way in public towards a former business partner is likely to do the same to others in the future.

I've had the occasional problem with people and companies with whom I've worked in the past. Not many over the years, but a few. And aside from GT Interactive, which was a matter of public record, you probably couldn't name any of them because I don't ever talk about them in public. Among the necessary skills for a professional is the ability to keep your mouth shut, even when you have been wronged.
Pax Dickinson · @pax
I think Vox Day's "minions" are so bad at bantz and trolling because they're only used to soft SJW resistance, they don't know how to handle seasoned veterans of the meme wars. They exist in their secure little blog bubble where Vox's moderation keeps them weak and flaccid, like shitposting veal.

Counter.Fund‏ @CounterFund
I asked Vox Day to help me move, so he sued my couch.

Counter.Fund‏ @CounterFund
You can tell which #AltRight people are sincere & not just e-book selling charlatans because the good ones quit in disgust and never return.

Counter.Fund‏ @CounterFund
the e-book merchants take their e-fame very very seriously because they work at it but I became e-famous by accident so I think it's a joke

Counter.Fund‏ @CounterFund
Everyone: "Nazi LARPers are the Right's most autistic lolcows"
Vox Day: "Hold my beer"

Counter.Fund‏ @CounterFund
"hey #AltRight look what I built for you"
*called a shill*
*accused of grubbing for shekels*
*sued by Vox Day*
"on 2nd thought never mind"

Counter.Fund‏ @CounterFund
Calling for people to take back their investments in Gab is lower than shit. Fuck you @voxday you're fucking dead to me.

Counter.Fund‏ @CounterFund
Vox called me up back when I was ripping Chuck to advise that infighting was a bad look. I wonder when he changed his mind about that.

Counter.Fund‏ @CounterFund
I had a discussion with @VoxDay. It didn't go that well.  He blocked me. 😂
I most certainly did block him. I don't discuss things with individuals who refuse to address the relevant points and instead elect to call me "a fucking moron" in lieu of argument. I see that as a reliable indicator that there is absolutely no benefit to having anything to do with them, now or in the future. One can readily observe a pattern here: both Pax and Andrew Torba are volatile individuals who are temperamentally unsuited for what they are trying to do. That is why the probabilities of success are not in their favor.

Can you imagine me attacking an author that I was trying to recruit for Castalia House this way? Can you imagine ANY successful publisher doing so?

As for Gab, the LLoE and I will be continuing to proceed as before, albeit in a rather more unsympathetic manner than we began. As one reader noted in response to the following Gab posts: "Gab is a useless, irredeemable sewer. Let it burn."
Folk · @Folk
Deus Vulters can never be real nationalists, because they MUST believe in Oneness under Christ. A Christian Syrian is worth more to them than a secular or pagan White. All Deus Vulters should be Vox fans, as Vox's platform says you must be a Christian and support all races to be Alt-Right.

Goyim Revolution · @GoyimRevolution
Koanic you are such a loser. In fact it's obvious you're just a @VoxDay sock. What the hell is a "Nazi" anyway? Do you have a definition? And what's so vile about these Nazis? Is it because they won't shutup about jews like Soros?

Tyron T. White · @TightyWhitey
Being a "Christian" and "supporting all races" is exactly how all-white countries have been flooded with parasitic mud people. If someone shot Vox in the head on a sidewalk, do you think his followers would tilt right, or back toward center?
Charming. Now, one never knows what the future will bring, but based on what I have been hearing in various development circles, I expect that within 18 months Gab will be, at best, the third-place Alt-Tech alternative to Twitter.

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195 Comments:

Anonymous Ivan Throne September 21, 2017 7:45 AM  

Based on what I am hearing in other various development circles, Gab has roughly 90 days of cash left from their investment pool and the burn rate is astronomical. I cannot verify this, but it is in keeping with their enterprise governance.

Emotional tantrum as CEO governance methodology will extend to financial discipline.

Very sad.

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger Resident Moron™ September 21, 2017 7:45 AM  

Vox is a rabid ego-maniac, Exhibit A:

https://twitter.com/CounterFund/status/910591350415994880

And as for being veal, I handled Pax easily. He's totally unhinged on this point, which makes him his own worst enemy.

Anonymous OldSchool September 21, 2017 7:48 AM  

Gee whiz, Vox. When did you turn into PZ Meyers?

Anonymous james@wpc September 21, 2017 7:48 AM  

No doubt it has been said before but Torba has grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory. Mind numbing stuff.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 7:48 AM  

Emotional tantrum as CEO governance methodology will extend to financial discipline.

To be fair, it is a unique concept in corporate management. I doubt it will prove as influential as Peter Drucker's management by objectives and self-control or even Tom Peters's management by wandering around, though.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 7:50 AM  

Gee whiz, Vox. When did you turn into PZ Meyers?

How does that compute? I'm not running from either of them. Quite the contrary, at least in the case of Torba. And I'll be happy to debate Pax on the necessity of supporting Gab if he likes, but not on Twitter.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch September 21, 2017 7:50 AM  

The following quotation from Jesuit Cornelius a Lapide applies to the different Alt-Retard personalities you've dealt with.

"The impatient do not possess their souls, but are possessed by the vices of wrath and vindictiveness, and consequently by Satan. They, only, who have ardent love can gain true patience..."

Anonymous Gurpgork September 21, 2017 7:51 AM  

I guess Pax liked the way Torba completely self-immolated and had to repeat the behaviour himself.
These people are way too fragile, their endeavours will never succeed.

Blogger The Kurgan September 21, 2017 7:53 AM  

Hahahhaha finally! Commentary on economics I can enjoy!

Anonymous Jack September 21, 2017 8:02 AM  

I called it weeks ago - AltRetard has turned on Utsav and is calling him "street shitter."
https://gab.ai/gerbils/posts/12390141

Not that that was a hard prediction to make.

Blogger Guitar Man September 21, 2017 8:02 AM  

Pax...isn't he living IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER?

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 8:04 AM  

counter fund... isn't that the thing that Pax himself said was never gonna launch?

Anonymous Quotidian Solecism September 21, 2017 8:05 AM  

Is there an update on Gab's domain registry problem? Did they actually find a new host yet? They have about three days left.

Anonymous Nick September 21, 2017 8:08 AM  

When I asked for a refund of the balance of my annual pro membership they complied, no questions asked, so in that respect I can't complain. Do it while you can.

Blogger roughcoat September 21, 2017 8:08 AM  

Poor Pax the martyr.

I'm not impressed by how much you lose. I'm impressed by how much ground you win for my side, directly or indirectly. Any old fool can lose everything.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 8:09 AM  

When I asked for a refund of the balance of my annual pro membership they complied, no questions asked, so in that respect I can't complain. Do it while you can.

What is the correct email address for that? I should do that myself.

Blogger roughcoat September 21, 2017 8:11 AM  

Quotidian Solecism wrote:Is there an update on Gab's domain registry problem? Did they actually find a new host yet? They have about three days left.

As far as I know it was resolved and Torba has firm control of the domain. Not sure of the details.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 21, 2017 8:11 AM  

"Can you imagine ANY successful publisher doing so?"

Know how sad the situation has gotten in most business? Vox asks this and I have to think who's *least* likely to do that. One trap the Right can occasional get itself stuck in is expecting "too much" competence from people, but there's these things called "standards" and "minimum levels of keeping your head on" that are needed.

Gab might kill itself on a "bug" in the TOS and the unwillingness to deal with it. Hopefully, in hindsight, my statement that Gab could make billions wasn't the high-point of the platform.

Though, going forward, if someone is doing to Crowd Fund in a similar manner, have 400k to 500k lined up before going public with the funding round. The 500k barrier being passed shot them to Full Sale in about 72 hours. (Google going Goolag helped.) 500k is the "serious money" level for this type of stuff.

Lastly. Koanic? Of all of the people to call a Vox "Sockpuppet", they called Koanic one? Wow.

Anonymous OldSchool September 21, 2017 8:12 AM  

Vox: How does that compute? I'm not running from either of them. Quite the contrary, at least in the case of Torba. And I'll be happy to debate Pax on the necessity of supporting Gab if he likes, but not on Twitter.

I was referring more to your degeneration into a whiny old man surrounded by an echo chamber. PZ is and always will be a total fraud, but your recent beefs with various alt-retard groups is reminiscent of his Atheism+ infighting, and the sycophants here could be mapped one to one to PZ's goonsquad.

As for "debates," who cares? Memes are the only rhetoric that matter currently, and your memes are terrible.

"Ebook merchant" is brilliant and biting rhetoric. The kids know what they're doing.

Anonymous krymneth September 21, 2017 8:17 AM  

I'm not (currently) supporting Voxiversity [1], but a suggestion to those who do have the power to choose: A video on the importance of the seemingly-academic issue of having philosophical foundations behind your actions would be topical. I don't think these people have a foundation beyond not liking the dominant people in charge much, which as a negative foundation doesn't provide much guidance. So they spin like weathervanes in the wind, flipping on people the instant they are slightly annoyed and escalating instantly to Total Enemy, because they have no strong philosophical foundation to offer them another choice.

And you can only run an already-successful business (into the ground) that way for any period of time; no Alt-Tech leader is going to be able to bootstrap with any degree of success letting a weathervane guide them like that. An ally who turns their full, unrestrained firepower against you the moment you slightly annoy them simply reveals themselves never to have been an ally in the first place.

[1]: It isn't forever out of the question, but I'm a pretty big Infogalactic supporter right now.

Blogger Sun Xhu September 21, 2017 8:18 AM  

roughcoat wrote:Quotidian Solecism wrote:Is there an update on Gab's domain registry problem? Did they actually find a new host yet? They have about three days left.

As far as I know it was resolved and Torba has firm control of the domain. Not sure of the details.


Gab is now registered with instra.com.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 8:18 AM  

I was referring more to your degeneration into a whiny old man surrounded by an echo chamber

While I applaud your attempt to spin the narrative, the fact is that it is Torba, Pax, Anglin, and the Fake Right who have been whining nonstop, not me. I'm not whining about anything, I'm just calmly arranging for petitions and complaints to be filed with the relevant authorities, as suggested by Torba.

Nor is this an echo chamber. That's simply not true, as a look at any post on the Catalonian secession suffices to prove.

"Ebook merchant" is brilliant and biting rhetoric.

Is it? Regardless, I'm proud to be a successful publisher of books, whether they are ebooks, print, or audio. In fact, this September will mark our third record sales month in succession.

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 8:19 AM  

'"Ebook merchant" is brilliant and biting rhetoric. The kids know what they're doing.'

No, it isn't, gramps. It's idiotic, and it sounds idiotic. It's "muh (((shekels)))" without the full Reichtard jargon.

Something you gotta get through your skull: normal people don't hate success and money.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 8:20 AM  

It isn't forever out of the question, but I'm a pretty big Infogalactic supporter right now.

Which is appreciated. I definitely do not wish to harm the older projects with the new shiny. That was one serious argument against doing both Voxiversity and AltHero, but a survey of supporters said that they'd prefer to have the option and sit tight than not have it at all.

Anonymous Adam September 21, 2017 8:20 AM  

Apart from Torba's immaturity I think his big problem is his ideological adherence to the concept of free speech. It means that he can never process any new or relevant information that comes his way. Free speech isn't a principle for him; it's simply dogma. Which is why he is endlessly doubling down. He's not an SJW but doubling down is a mistake that is not restricted to those who inhabit the lunatic left.

Anonymous Mandos September 21, 2017 8:21 AM  

Wew lad I can't wait for nazi memes to save the West, happening any time now.

Blogger Sillon Bono September 21, 2017 8:23 AM  

VD wrote:"Ebook merchant" is brilliant and biting rhetoric.

Is it? Regardless, I'm proud to be a successful publisher of books, whether they are ebooks, print, or audio. In fact, this September will mark our third record sales month in succession.


It is very fitting.

And if I was you I would take it as a compliment of success, regardless of being proud or not.

If antagonist best insult is what you do right, I call that a win.

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 8:26 AM  

@Adam - It's because he's an archetype zealot. The hardcore SJW's are all the same archetype. It's a hard one to deal with, because they're prone to take disagreement as betrayal, debate as lies, and pushback as war.

They also have martyr complexes in most cases, which is why I expect that Gab will burn out in a spectacular failure rather than fading.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 8:27 AM  

Gab is now registered with instra.com.

I doubt it. Instra owns Asia Registry. Their new registar is more likely someone else.

Anonymous Defunkt September 21, 2017 8:30 AM  

Did you seriously just say that you wouldn’t do business with Pax because he’s “volatile” literally days after putting Voxiversity on Charles Johnson’s (Pax’s former business partner) FreeStartr? Have you seen any of the crazy and volatile things that Charles does consistently? I’m starting to think you’re not that smart.

Anonymous Mister M September 21, 2017 8:31 AM  

I've worked in the bad neighborhood HS for 20 years. VD, the rhetoric in your direction is reminiscent of the drama that unfolds regularly. The irony-ometer just blew a gasket.

Anonymous OldSchool September 21, 2017 8:33 AM  

Vox: While I applaud your attempt to spin the narrative, the fact is that it is Torba, Pax, Anglin, and the Fake Right who have been whining nonstop, not me. I'm not whining about anything, I'm just calmly arranging for petitions and complaints to be filed with the relevant authorities, as suggested by Torba.

I read Spacebunny's recent posts on Gab. Do you think they were appropriate? Does she represent only herself, or you and your brand? Because the ones I saw were vulgar, not funny, and came off as unhinged. This is not a defense of Gab, which regardless of you will because it, too, is an echo chamber. Twitter trolling was fun because there were targets. Gab is too far removed from the targets to be relevant.

> Nor is this an echo chamber. That's simply not true, as a look at any post on the Catalonian secession suffices to prove.

That's a lousy deflection. I would bet that 85% of your traffic is American.

> Is it? Regardless, I'm proud to be a successful publisher of books, whether they are ebooks, print, or audio. In fact, this September will mark our third record sales month in succession.

"Ebook merchant" includes you in their ironic "Jew hating." Your association with the reviled Cernovich doesn't help. It's nuclear.

Blogger artensoll September 21, 2017 8:35 AM  

@Looking Glass "Lastly. Koanic? Of all of the people to call a Vox "Sockpuppet", they called Koanic one? Wow."

He has been taking a lot of flak over there for his obvious respect for Vox (despite disagreeing with Vox on this issue) and his condemnation of the behaviour of alt-retards on Gab.

Anonymous Starbuck September 21, 2017 8:35 AM  

Wow, this political right infighting sorta reminds me of the leftist political infighting.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 8:40 AM  

That's a lousy deflection. I would bet that 85% of your traffic is American.

Fine. Pick another subject. Free trade. Free speech. Korea. Donald Trump. Babymetal. You will not find an echo chamber on any of them. Your assertion is observably false. Even on these two topics, Pax and Gab, there is not an echo chamber.

"Ebook merchant" includes you in their ironic "Jew hating." Your association with the reviled Cernovich doesn't help. It's nuclear.

It's not ironic. Are you forgetting that we've read the manual? As you point out, they have reviled Mike, and Milo too, to completely no avail. They're irrelevant.

Blogger SirGroggy September 21, 2017 8:42 AM  

I think Vox Day's "minions" are so bad at bantz and trolling because they're only used to soft SJW resistance, they don't know how to handle seasoned veterans of the meme wars.

As opposed to the Gab fundamentalists whose arguments are all variations upon the same basic template of "you are a fucking faggot". In other words, just vicious personal attacks.

Pax Dickonson - another person of the right who is of dubious moral character. And like the Stormpoopers and Gab fundamentalists, they conduct themselves in a disgraceful, puerile and unprofessional manner.

I wouldn't go anywhere near clowns like that.

Blogger Last Redoubt September 21, 2017 8:44 AM  

@S1AL

No, it isn't, gramps. It's idiotic, and it sounds idiotic. It's "muh (((shekels)))" without the full Reichtard jargon.

Something you gotta get through your skull: normal people don't hate success and money.


Yup. Also, there's a vast difference between merely reselling shit, and taking the time to craft and build something. Even without Infogalactic, Castalia alone is a constructive project both in getting the ideas of western civilization back out there and providing a forae to revive SF, AND in the literal sense. Editing, etc., done well, is work, adds to the books they're getting out there aside from getting them out. Either the author would have to do it or Castalia or someone else would.

Blogger Last Redoubt September 21, 2017 8:45 AM  

@Mando

Wew lad I can't wait for nazi memes to save the West, happening any time now.

Yup. Destruction may be needed at times, but that sure as hell doesn't build anything. Castalia does.

Blogger SirGroggy September 21, 2017 8:46 AM  

They're irrelevant.

Due to the way they speak and write and conduct themselves with vulgar personal attacks they make themselves relevant only to alt right internet trolls of at best dubious moral character.

The normal decent man or woman won't want anything to do with it.

They are too volatile and sensitive and there is a serious lack of discipline and self-control.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 8:56 AM  

"Koanic? Of all of the people to call a Vox "Sockpuppet", they called Koanic one? Wow."

I know, right? He was like the anti-Vox, aggressively defending the Stormpoopers for quite a while. The only thing I can think is that he must have eventually changed his mind and reapplied his rabidity in the opposing direction on Gab.

"Gab fundamentalists"

There's no problem with fundamentalists, except when they're fundamental about lies, diversions, distractions or red herrings.

"Fundamentalists" is one of those terms that makes me mentally cringe every time, much like "Hate speech" (even the first time I heard it when I was what, twelve?) and "Homophobe". You can instantly recognize that the term deliberately implies or explicates a lie, and a very obvious one. In the case of "fundamentalists" the lie is that being "fundamental" in and of itself is stigmatic, which is only the case from the perspective of moderate, fence-sitting ideological-faggots.

Better to call them Gab spergs, or free-speech dweebs, or perhaps zealous heretics, if you feel like giving them the benefit of the doubt of even being sufficiently truth-aligned to be heretics.

Blogger Guitar Man September 21, 2017 8:59 AM  

Funny how the guy claiming that this is an echo chamber is in here debating with the author of the blog and has not been booted for his thoughts.

He's definitely not ilk. We've never been afraid to disagree with Vox, wrong or right.

Blogger Lemur September 21, 2017 9:01 AM  

lel Pax Dickenson is a (((Moldbug))) fan who predictably set up a Jewy scheme with a Jew to extract shekels at counter-fund. He also supported the C'ville fiasco.

It's sad you two are falling out because together your respective stupidity could have become complimentary. Vox believes the Jews who brought us libertarianism; Pax is into Moldbug's resolution of that 'dialectic' (SEE VOX I CAN USE THAT WORD TOO).

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 9:05 AM  

"OK. How about the topic is *you?* This thread is a very good example."

You can say that when everyone agrees that "water is wet" something is an echo chamber too. Except that ignoramuses who have either never been wet, or are constitutionally incapable of remembering being wet are "outside" the "echo chamber".

You're taking something painfully obvious and pretending that people sane people agree on it they're echo-sheep. Lying becomes you?

Blogger SirGroggy September 21, 2017 9:05 AM  

The silver lining is these recent debacles have thrown light on who is who and what is what.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 9:07 AM  

"For a student of military history, you're taking a remarkably narrow view here."

Unrepentant fools are remarkably narrow. Or perhaps shallow.

A narrow view would appear to be more than sufficient.

Blogger SirGroggy September 21, 2017 9:07 AM  

I've worked in the bad neighborhood HS for 20 years. VD, the rhetoric in your direction is reminiscent of the drama that unfolds regularly. The irony-ometer just blew a gasket.

Exactly. It's high-school level of debate. It's fucking pathetic.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 9:08 AM  

Nice try, OldSchool.

Funny how the guy claiming that this is an echo chamber is in here debating with the author of the blog and has not been booted for his thoughts.

No, but he's been booted for trying to bait people into attacking /pol. "Let's you and him fight!" Very feminine.

And yes, I have read plenty of military strategy.

He's definitely not ilk. We've never been afraid to disagree with Vox, wrong or right.

He hasn't even been around much. I actively encourage it.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 9:10 AM  

The silver lining is these recent debacles have thrown light on who is who and what is what.

The truth will out. And philosophical coherence matters. These things are not news. And yet, they so often come as a surprise to people.

Anonymous Durandel September 21, 2017 9:11 AM  

Great, more emotional incontinence from people claiming to be Alt Right.

On top of fighting Progressive, International Communism, we also have to deal with others who never learned maturity. We're gonna need more than just new, competing institutions. We're gonna need to build a bunch of adult day cares centers too.

I also find it funny that this group or groups of the self-declared Alt Right talk so much about branding, but yet offer nothing for the political consumer to buy. Rehashed Nazism is a product with a history of death and totalitarianism and suffers from a poor branding position. Utopian Libertardianism is easily seen as a joke by most people, as they quickly see it cannot extend beyond an HOA (and most HOA's get taken over by commies).

So what do they really offer? Nothing, but they sure are going to brand said nothing and sell it to the public. And if they think they can do that, are such businessmen really the kind of people you want to invest money into? At least Madoff sold his customers a ponzi scheme.

Blogger SirGroggy September 21, 2017 9:15 AM  

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Anonymous Durandel September 21, 2017 9:17 AM  

@LookingGlass wrote - "One trap the Right can occasional get itself stuck in is expecting "too much" competence from people, but there's these things called "standards" and "minimum levels of keeping your head on" that are needed."

Yep, I see this all the time out of older conservatives. SJWs project their vices and faults on others. Conservatives tend to project their competence, conscientiousness and rationale onto others...with terrible results.

Blogger wreckage September 21, 2017 9:18 AM  

Here's the thing. Vox is an odd guy. Sometimes he's distressing, sometimes he's interesting.

He's successfully gotten Infogalactic rolling, he's published a pile of books, edited a pile more, he's got the whole Castalia thing rocking along nicely and gotten the rights to publish several top-tier authors, all of whom he promotes relentlessly even when they disagree with him on any of his passionately held opinions.

I've seen guys like him. I have no doubt that he's as smart as he says he is because he fits the archetype of those I know who are that smart FRIGHTENINGLY well.

He's also, and this is part of the archetype, been far more successful than maybe 999/1000 people in the field... in what, four separate fields?

This demonstrates outright a stability, focus and intelligence that simply must be acknowledged, no matter how wrong you think he is... and I think he's pretty f***ing wrong on several points.

The morons that dance in here, pants on head, squealing "BUT /pol HATES YOU" really need to check their map.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 9:22 AM  

If this were an issue of personality failures, it wouldn't be happening to everyone at the same time. The problem is systemic. The Alt-Right is falling apart under pressure due to internal contradictions.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 9:23 AM  

If it's not fixed with a sense of urgency then we don't deserve The Wall.

Blogger Last Redoubt September 21, 2017 9:24 AM  

@Aeoli Pera

As our host says - coherence matters. They call themselves alt right but don't have the coherence. For the Reichtards, it's that they're not really right, except, a bit, to the right of Stalin.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 9:25 AM  

"Yep, I see this all the time out of older conservatives. SJWs project their vices and faults on others. Conservatives tend to project their competence, conscientiousness and rationale onto others...with terrible results."

To be fair, projection is the natural mode of thought for humans analyzing other humans. You view other people through the lens of what you know. Not simply projecting is hard work, and a constant struggle to even attempt to maintain.

Blogger SirGroggy September 21, 2017 9:26 AM  

For the Reichtards, it's that they're not really right, except, a bit, to the right of Stalin.

They are not so much left or right so much as just down in Satan's underpants.

Anonymous Reenay September 21, 2017 9:26 AM  

And this demonstrates why I, a normie by most accounts, have given money to Vox and not to Gab or CounterFund, or any of the Stormpoopers.

Vox is practical and gets results. We need results, not purity spirals.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 9:28 AM  

"The morons that dance in here, pants on head, squealing "BUT /pol HATES YOU" really need to check their map."

You'll note that they are apparently incapable of posting more than a single continuous quote from /pol. s/ obviously this is not a red flag that they're quoting themselves in between a bunch of /pol-sters hammering their feces in. /s

Blogger Cail Corishev September 21, 2017 9:29 AM  

It's odd that the people who claim the proper divide is between white and non-white are the ones trying to create a divide between Christian and non-Christian (or anti-Christian). You don't have to read them very long to realize that many of them hate Christianity far more than they hate non-whites. They hate non-whites in a theoretical sense, in that they hope someday to live in a world without them; but they attack Christians now because they think Christians are preventing it. And ultimately because daddy issues.

AltRetard has turned on Utsav and is calling him "street shitter."

I'm still about 80% convinced that the scheme all along was to use Gab as a stepping stone to real right-wing targets, to be discarded when no longer useful. So far so good. I'd have some sympathy for them if they hadn't gone full retard themselves over it.

Anonymous JACIII September 21, 2017 9:30 AM  

I hate to say it over and over, but it bears repeating: talking to Alt-retard is exactly like talking to a ghetto black woman. Always looking for drama and firing off what they think are "gotchas" using words they don't know and concepts they can't understand.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 21, 2017 9:30 AM  

Gab is now registered with instra.com.

That's what whois still suggests, but whois isn't necessarily up-to-date, especially at a small one-TLD server.

Blogger wreckage September 21, 2017 9:30 AM  

Necessary: embracing an essentially British (or Anglo-American if you like) set of values, including nationalism, reverence for Christian morals, the primacy of marriage and the nuclear family, personal good conduct, and unflinching, iron commitment, to duty and justice.

Nothing else has ever been shown to work.

Blogger SirGroggy September 21, 2017 9:31 AM  

AltRetard has turned on Utsav and is calling him "street shitter."

LMAO. Somebody on this blog actually predicted they would do that eventually!!!

Anonymous CrystalBlue September 21, 2017 9:31 AM  

"But xyz hates you!"

We don't care.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 21, 2017 9:32 AM  

The only thing I can think is that he must have eventually changed his mind and reapplied his rabidity in the opposing direction on Gab.

I wouldn't assume that. If he simply acted as he does here, trying to present reasonable counter-arguments and saying Vox has a reasonable point on this or that, that would be enough for them to trash him. Much like their SJW cousins on the Left, they love to go Mean Girls.

Blogger wreckage September 21, 2017 9:33 AM  

Oh, and a familial and modest pride in the achievements of one's people, attributing national success to them, rather than to oligarchs, tyrants, or political theories.

Blogger SirGroggy September 21, 2017 9:33 AM  

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Anonymous Durandel September 21, 2017 9:34 AM  

@Aeoli Pera wrote "The problem is systemic. The Alt-Right is falling apart under pressure due to internal contradictions."

I tweeted to Michael Sebastian about the same issue in regards to his new piece on Return of Kings when he asked "Is it just me or is the alt right losing steam?" I figured his inquiry had to do with the infighting.

And as you note, it's falling apart due to contradictions. Without the 2016 election to unite around, what values and goals do Nazi-LARPr-tards, Libertarians, Conservatives, and the Dissident Right all share that could hold the peace? With the enemy taken care of, typical human behavior kicks in an infighting and separation begins. Of all those groups, only the Omninationalist Dissident Right have something to sell that is new and carries mass appeal. The others are naturally going to shriek as social evolution does it work and cuts out the chaff.

Blogger Johnny September 21, 2017 9:36 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote: Conservatives tend to project their competence, conscientiousness and rationale onto others...

To be fair, projection is the natural mode of thought for humans analyzing other humans.

I think there is something more than projection going on. More like a personality thing. I have long noticed that a lot of conservatives are uncomfortable speaking ill of anyone, even when it is appropriate. And on the other side are those who never seem to have a kind word.

Blogger Orthodox September 21, 2017 9:37 AM  

Twitter trolling was fun because there were targets. Gab is too far removed from the targets to be relevant.

There is a lot of truth in that. Gab is suffering in part because some trolls continue their ways on Gab against their own side.

There is a difference between censoring political speech and having decency standards. Many on the Alt-Right equate the two (like the far left did to destroy decency standards), as if there's no difference between porn and the Declaration of Independence. Partially this is a result of Twitter using decency standards as an excuse for political censorship.

I notice something similar in the debate about "Nazis." Some people think that the media has total control over our image, so there's no point in being "respectable" because you're still a Nazi. The red-pill is not about becoming a racist or a Nazi though, but understanding that there's no point in debating a baseless charge with dialectic. Instead, be what you are, stick to the truth and punch back. Some seem to have internalized it as "if they call me a Nazi, I might as well gas Jews." And if you reject that formulation and argue in favor of other ideas (or basic standards), they think you're trying to "run away" from the Nazi label.

Anonymous Durandel September 21, 2017 9:41 AM  

@Johnny wrote "I think there is something more than projection going on. More like a personality thing.

Don't write out projection, but yes, good-natured people bought into the Cult of Nice far more than the Commie "clergy" who promoted it. It's not nice to say mean things, so they are taught, even though Christ was quite comfortable to say mean things to those who rightfully deserved it.

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 9:41 AM  

"Without the 2016 election to unite around, what values and goals do Nazi-LARPr-tards, Libertarians, Conservatives, and the Dissident Right all share that could hold the peace?"

Hell, even libertarians are split by necessity, since half of them are liberals who like guns and the other half are conservatives who accept dug legalization and gay marriage.

Conservatism in the USA has always been a preferential philosophy, not a cohesive platform. That's both a strength and a weakness that needs to be addressed.

Blogger SirGroggy September 21, 2017 9:46 AM  

Emotional tantrum as CEO governance methodology will extend to financial discipline.

Or maybe it's the financial shambles which is leading to the emotional tantrum.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 9:47 AM  

Durandel wrote:Of all those groups, only the Omninationalist Dissident Right have something to sell that is new and carries mass appeal. The others are naturally going to shriek as social evolution does it work and cuts out the chaff.

No, we would be deceiving ourselves to think this is new or carries mass appeal.

Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 9:49 AM  

> I know, right? He was like the anti-Vox, aggressively defending the Stormpoopers for quite a while. The only thing I can think is that he must have eventually changed his mind and reapplied his rabidity in the opposing direction on Gab.

I haven't changed my mind on most of the things I disagreed with Vox about. Seeing the eruption only emphasizes that my instincts to dampen and deter this conflict were correct.

I'll admit his estimate of the Alt-Retard's emotional continence and intelligence proved more accurate than mine. But I doubt he expected the large sympathetic overlap between Alt-Reich and Alt-White, or the legion of speechtard absolutists lemmings led by Torba.

Once hostilities commenced, the Alt-Retard stole the show for idiotic villainy and rendered anything bad Vox did irrelevant. There's no point in asking Vox to slow his roll now. The conflict must play out to some stage of completion. The time for peace is not yet.

There is now a large and unfortunate rift, which I will dwell in. But Vox reaps some of the benefits he expected, from openly opposing and being persecuted by Nazis. And someone else can tame the whiny savages, though they be Legion.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 9:54 AM  

But I doubt he expected the large sympathetic overlap between Alt-Reich and Alt-White, or the legion of speechtard absolutists lemmings led by Torba.

I expected the former. I did not anticipate the latter.

Once hostilities commenced, the Alt-Retard stole the show for idiotic villainy and rendered anything bad Vox did irrelevant.

That, I anticipated.

There's no point in asking Vox to slow his roll now.

By outsiders, no. But I am always kind and magnanimous to enemies who genuinely repent of their opposition and submit.

Anonymous Rocklea September 21, 2017 9:55 AM  

-You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.-

Sales people are always after the right script or the best technique to improve their figures. Some think that personality type matching and mirroring is effective, we all do this naturally in social situations. Part of the "free speech" we employ when self censoring/expressing. The point is, be yourself, do it consistently, then confidently, and you will attract that which you exhibit.

It will not work all the time. You will not convince everyone.

"If this were an issue of personality failures, it wouldn't be happening to everyone at the same time. The problem is systemic. The Alt-Right is falling apart under pressure due to internal contradictions."

Perhaps, but we are now in the maelstrom, prior to Trump's victory the opposition was the only thing, the only front, there was. SJW's don't have the monopoly on contradiction.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 9:58 AM  

S1AL wrote:"Without the 2016 election to unite around, what values and goals do Nazi-LARPr-tards, Libertarians, Conservatives, and the Dissident Right all share that could hold the peace?"

Hell, even libertarians are split by necessity, since half of them are liberals who like guns and the other half are conservatives who accept dug legalization and gay marriage.


This is a good analogy. The Alt-Right has historically made a religion of race, and Christians are relatively new to the party. They are correct to suggest that the divide is between those who favor Christian Syrians and those who favor white trash neighbors. This is why I keep harping on CHARITY CHARITY CHARITY, and why Boomerposting is so disgusting to us trashy white Millenials.

Just as the libertarian movement has read out its conservatives and become the one-issue "muh weed" Libertarian party, so will the Alt-Right become a one-issue "muh Aryans" party. Vox's effort to stop this is doomed to failure because he would have to lead a bunch of low-functioning people and he'll refuse to do that, and he doesn't have the political capital to redefine the term. Everybody else in the world means "Twitter Nazis" when they say "Alt-Right".

Conservatism in the USA has always been a preferential philosophy, not a cohesive platform. That's both a strength and a weakness that needs to be addressed.

The strength of conservatism is in its puritan attitude (work ethic + normalcy bias), its weakness is in the secular iconoclasm it inherited from Enlightenment philosophy.

Blogger Matthew September 21, 2017 10:01 AM  

Guitar Man wrote:Funny how the guy claiming that this is an echo chamber is in here debating with the author of the blog and has not been booted for his thoughts.

We even allow a gay little Muslim to post.

Blogger GraceIronwood September 21, 2017 10:02 AM  

No doubt about it, Torba's um, mercurial personality pissed off our host who cheerfully admits he has gone so far as to shepherd complainants to the registrar, helpfully providing legal vetting on the way.
-raised eyebrow-?

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 10:02 AM  

"Just as the libertarian movement has read out its conservatives and become the one-issue "muh weed" Libertarian party, so will the Alt-Right become a one-issue "muh Aryans" party."

Which is why that alt-Right is doomed to failure. I'm not "Aryan". I despise those who want that label, or sympathize with it. American or bust.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 10:04 AM  

"I hate to say it over and over, but it bears repeating: talking to Alt-retard is exactly like talking to a ghetto black woman. Always looking for drama and firing off what they think are "gotchas" using words they don't know and concepts they can't understand. "

Lighter fluid... meet BBQ.

Welcome to the party folks.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 10:12 AM  

S1AL, you are failing to understand how political alliances work.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 10:13 AM  

"He hasn't even been around much. I actively encourage it."

no one has roasted VD as much, or as creatively, as we have. well... not since the Digital Ghetto anyway...

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 21, 2017 10:14 AM  

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Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 10:15 AM  

i mean honestly if Vox were half as insecure as these idiots claim he would've banned me long ago for continually referencing the fact that I have multiple VPFL Championship Rings and he has none.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 21, 2017 10:17 AM  

Thanks to Vox and Men of the West for writing down the points of the new right!

Great rallying flags.

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 10:17 AM  

Nope, I just recognize that my goals and those of the alt-White are not the same. Moreover, while I'm relatively far to the right, I'm also capable of recognizing where the mainstream sympathies are.

And it's not with the "Aryans". There's no alliance to be had, and once the immigration issue is resolved (whatever the result), there will be nothing left in common.

Anonymous Athor Pel September 21, 2017 10:17 AM  

"➤ Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 9:25 AM
"Yep, I see this all the time out of older conservatives. SJWs project their vices and faults on others. Conservatives tend to project their competence, conscientiousness and rationale onto others...with terrible results."

To be fair, projection is the natural mode of thought for humans analyzing other humans. You view other people through the lens of what you know. Not simply projecting is hard work, and a constant struggle to even attempt to maintain.
"



If we here are only able to teach one thing, to stop projecting, then we would have done great work towards the goal of an anti-fragile western civilization.

To be able to quickly identify and marginalize all the unrepentant corruptors, destroyers and liars. Also and more importantly to be able to identify those of genuine good will.

To rekindle the light, to fill the willing with faith that capital-T Truth exists and can be known and used for constructive purposes.

In case you didn't explicitly pick up on it, projection is lying to yourself.

A lesson in discernment, the Secret Service doesn't teach its agents about counterfeiting (the lies), they teach them about the real thing (the truth). (Please no debates on the legitimacy of FRN's.)

The lesson here, the more you know of the truth the easier it is to detect the lie. This is having an objective standard by which to measure something.

For the Christians this means learning about God's Word and keeping your eyes on Jesus rather than the world.

Anonymous Difster September 21, 2017 10:18 AM  

Pax admitted to me on Gab that Counter.Fund probably wasn't viable because he couldn't find a payment processor. So even if you wanted to use it, there's no way to.

Blogger James Dixon September 21, 2017 10:19 AM  

> We've never been afraid to disagree with Vox, wrong or right.

No, but as I've noted before, historically if Vox disagrees with me it easily halves the probability of my being correct.

Blogger slarrow September 21, 2017 10:19 AM  

Referring to the OP, I remain stunned that the @CounterFund account was used for such petty, snide, and personal shots. Don't any of these people know what the term "professional" means?

I instinctly supported Pax Dickinson when I heard about his story of being railroaded out of his position for a joke he made. But his behavior I've observed since then suggests that it was less another case of SJW witch hunt and more a case of the fig leaf needed to shed a toxic personality. But better to know than not know who you can trust in a pinch and who will crack under pressure.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 10:23 AM  

Truth is the least convincing aspect of Christianity. And if dialectic precision mattered in politics, then autists would rule the world and psychopaths would be living in their moms' basements.

Seriously, Christians need to collectively get their heads out of their asses and deal with people as they are, not as we wish they were.

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 10:30 AM  

"Seriously, Christians need to collectively get their heads out of their asses and deal with people as they are, not as we wish they were."

Says the guy whose sympathies lie with people who won't listen.

Look, nobody cares if you want to assume the role of Advocati Autiste Summa. But the simple reality is that it's a niche with entirely different concerns than the 60% of Americans who makes up the squishy middle. We *are* dealing with reality - just not the portion of it to which you have attached yourself.

Anonymous Dan September 21, 2017 10:31 AM  

I admire the rebelliousness on the Gab side, but Nazi larping will never be a good look. The surest way to bring defeat to the right is by waving a Nazi flag around. All they achieved in Charlottesville was to get nationalist voices booted from the White House.

Not only that, but Jewish communities and Israel are under the same forces of attack from globalist multicultural insanity. Outside of the US, most Jews seem to be on the right and that trend is increasing. In time, they will be more allies than enemies, because it will be a fight between civilization and decivilization.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 10:40 AM  

S1AL wrote:"Seriously, Christians need to collectively get their heads out of their asses and deal with people as they are, not as we wish they were."

Says the guy whose sympathies lie with people who won't listen.

Look, nobody cares if you want to assume the role of Advocati Autiste Summa. But the simple reality is that it's a niche with entirely different concerns than the 60% of Americans who makes up the squishy middle.


In 20 years, when the Boomers are dead and the Xers are drooling into their sippy-cups, that percentage will only be 20% and the 80% will eat them. Alternatively, we could do the Christian thing.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 10:40 AM  

"Truth is the least convincing aspect of Christianity. And if dialectic precision mattered in politics, then autists would rule the world and psychopaths would be living in their moms' basements."

Depends on what time-scales we're talking about. Truth is very important and very convincing, but only in the long run. In the short run, various comfortable lies are preferable to people operating on short-order solipsistic feels.

As for ruling the world, the world is a rapidly degenerating place, and as such, MPAI should not be surprising, leading directly into "most people are rhetoric-inclined". Again, the best rhetoric is based on truth, that's what makes it last.

"Seriously, Christians need to collectively get their heads out of their asses and deal with people as they are, not as we wish they were."

"For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more.

To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not myself being under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without Law, as without Law, though not being without the Law of God but under the Law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without Law.

To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all mean save some.

I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker in it."

-First Corinthians 9:19-23.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 10:43 AM  

"In 20 years, when the Boomers are dead and the Xers are drooling into their sippy-cups, that percentage will only be 20% and the 80% will eat them. Alternatively, we could do the Christian thing."

look mate... no one is telling you you can't sit at the table with the window licking morons and focus on your window licking moron outreach programs.

Apparently window licking moron outreach is your calling. God speed. Better you than me.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 10:43 AM  

Alt-West and neoliberal cosmopolitans have this in common: badwhites are your neighbors whether you like it or not.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 10:49 AM  

Nate wrote:"In 20 years, when the Boomers are dead and the Xers are drooling into their sippy-cups, that percentage will only be 20% and the 80% will eat them. Alternatively, we could do the Christian thing."

look mate... no one is telling you you can't sit at the table with the window licking morons and focus on your window licking moron outreach programs.

Apparently window licking moron outreach is your calling. God speed. Better you than me.


Did I not say that I know what you are? Why would you think this reframe would work on me? Frankly, I'm insulted. Choose your audience, choose your tactic.

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 10:53 AM  

"Alt-West and neoliberal cosmopolitans have this in common: badwhites are your neighbors whether you like it or not."

And ghetto blacks, reservation Amerind, Chinese-ancestry Americans who've been here for 150+ years are... what, exactly?

If you're going to preach the neighbor rule, you're gonna have to do it top to bottom.

Blogger Orthodox September 21, 2017 10:58 AM  

Pax admitted to me on Gab that Counter.Fund probably wasn't viable because he couldn't find a payment processor. So even if you wanted to use it, there's no way to.

We need infrastructure starting with a registrar.

Blogger Jimmy The Freak September 21, 2017 10:59 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Truth is the least convincing aspect of Christianity. ...

No. This is where you are not "getting it". The Truth is the ONLY convincing aspect of Christianity.


John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:04 AM  

S1AL wrote:"Alt-West and neoliberal cosmopolitans have this in common: badwhites are your neighbors whether you like it or not."

And ghetto blacks, reservation Amerind, Chinese-ancestry Americans who've been here for 150+ years are... what, exactly?

If you're going to preach the neighbor rule, you're gonna have to do it top to bottom.


Except I'm not a globalist, and I prefer my family over the next-door neighbors, and my next-door neighbors over the neighbors next town over.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 11:04 AM  

" Why would you think this reframe would work on me? "

That's just it. It isn't a reframe. As for "work on me"... I would simply point out that I'm not doing what you think I'm doing.

I am not saying you should not reach out to them.

I'm saying we don't care. If that is your job... and you obviously think it is... do it. Have fun.

All I am saying is... do your job... and stop trying to get everyone else to do your job for you.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:06 AM  

Jimmy The Freak wrote:Aeoli Pera wrote:Truth is the least convincing aspect of Christianity. ...

No. This is where you are not "getting it". The Truth is the ONLY convincing aspect of Christianity.

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



In that list of three, truth ranks third in persuasion.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:11 AM  

Nate wrote:" Why would you think this reframe would work on me? "

That's just it. It isn't a reframe. As for "work on me"... I would simply point out that I'm not doing what you think I'm doing.


Your resistance is my barometer for success.

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 11:11 AM  

"Except I'm not a globalist, and I prefer my family over the next-door neighbors, and my next-door neighbors over the neighbors next town over."

Not all white people are my family or my immediate neighbors. QED.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 11:14 AM  

"Your resistance is my barometer for success."

you mistake boredom for resistance. Unsurprisingly.

Ooooo.... let's see how long it takes Pera to roll out his monomania on this thread...

rinse. repeat.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:15 AM  

The king of neurotypicals meets the king of autism on the fields of the internet...I wish we could make it more sporting.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:17 AM  

S1AL wrote:"Except I'm not a globalist, and I prefer my family over the next-door neighbors, and my next-door neighbors over the neighbors next town over."

Not all white people are my family or my immediate neighbors. QED.


It was a metaphor for genetic distance, silly.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 11:19 AM  

Your resistance is my barometer for success.

Get a better one. Spergs seldom grasp how uninterested neurotypicals are in them or their obsession du jour.

Blogger Resident Moron™ September 21, 2017 11:21 AM  

"Alt-West and neoliberal cosmopolitans have this in common: badwhites are your neighbors whether you like it or not."

We don't need to be more numerous than we are, in order to control the white trash elements. We just need to be more Christian than we are. Not more of the christocuck version so common today; a more militant version.

Not a theocracy, just a minimal set of common standards which are themselves robust and are robustly defended from any and all encroachments.

Don't lie.
Don't steal.
Don't murder.
Don't commit adultery.
Don't laze about all day wishing your could do the above.

Actively shun those who do.

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 11:23 AM  

"It was a metaphor for genetic distance, silly."

And I don't care about your obsession with relative genetic distance. I'm a genetic mutt, and most of my ancestor groups were at war with one another within the last few centuries.

And here is the part you somehow can't grasp: most Americans share both that ancestral background and that disdain for genetic obsession.

Anonymous Athor Pel September 21, 2017 11:25 AM  

"➤ Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:06 AM
...
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



In that list of three, truth ranks third in persuasion.
"



Good luck going your own way, by yourself, justified by yourself. However long that lasts.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:25 AM  

VD wrote:Your resistance is my barometer for success.

Get a better one. Spergs seldom grasp how uninterested neurotypicals are in them or their obsession du jour.


Nah, you just don't understand yet that we're talking around the point, not about it.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti September 21, 2017 11:29 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:so will the Alt-Right become a one-issue "muh Aryans" party. Vox's effort to stop this is doomed to failure because he would have to lead a bunch of low-functioning people and he'll refuse to do that, and he doesn't have the political capital to redefine the term. Everybody else in the world means "Twitter Nazis" when they say "Alt-Right".

This is my fear as well. It's even more difficult when idiots like Dinesh D'Souza are boomerposting DRRNazis, sucking the rhetorical oxygen out of the room. I admire Vox for going to the primary source material and demonstrating that Hitler's economic program was unabashedly leftist, which was new information for me. But it seems this is all falling on deaf ears, and can only fall on deaf ears, when "Alt-Right" is virtually synonymous in people's minds with "Nazi LARPer."

A rebrand isn't going to fix this, since whatever term is chosen will immediately be smeared by the media as "Nazi." (Or maybe not; the Sweden Democrats seem to be doing OK, maybe shedding the swastika baggage will work).

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:29 AM  

S1AL wrote:"It was a metaphor for genetic distance, silly."

And I don't care about your obsession with relative genetic distance. I'm a genetic mutt, and most of my ancestor groups were at war with one another within the last few centuries.

And here is the part you somehow can't grasp: most Americans share both that ancestral background and that disdain for genetic obsession.


And that's why they throw the children's food to the dogs.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:32 AM  

Darth Dharmakīrti wrote:A rebrand isn't going to fix this, since whatever term is chosen will immediately be smeared by the media as "Nazi." (Or maybe not; the Sweden Democrats seem to be doing OK, maybe shedding the swastika baggage will work).

The one good thing to come out of the Cville frontlash is that the leaders of the Nazi LARPing sect will keep their flags at home now. Multiple things going on here.

Blogger DeploraBard September 21, 2017 11:32 AM  

And 20 years after that when you are drooling in a sippy cup, what then? See, that is a large part of the problem. Each generation loses part of what made the prior one better. Technology advances while morality and goodwill collapse, and no one remembers how it used to be because they didn't experience it. The same will happen to yours. Ask Adam's sons about life in the garden before the fall. The alt retards lash out at Vox because of a work ethic and success they dont possess. They weren't taught because half are fatherless. The distinction is clear to them, but they are frustrated and angry and lash out instead of learning. Maybe they can't. Maybe growing up they missed the milestones and can never recover. You are a bright kid, but yours is the start of a generation that only knows societal dysfunction from birth while simultaneously being drowned in information, distraction, and entertainment.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 11:34 AM  

'Nah, you just don't understand yet that we're talking around the point, not about it.'

/facepalm

Blogger S1AL September 21, 2017 11:35 AM  

"And that's why they throw the children's food to the dogs."

Heh.

You're the one telling me that I need to prefer any and every white person to my actual neighbors. Your hypocrisy is boundless.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 21, 2017 11:43 AM  

the legion of speechtard absolutists lemmings led by Torba.

I underestimated that too. I've been waxing nostalgic here about the days of radically free speech on the Internet, but I knew that existed then mostly because normies weren't aware of it. A few minutes of thought made me realize it can't exist on the Web in 2017. It's still hard for me to believe anyone built a business plan around that absolutist ideal, and their attitude of "We'll just bluster our way to what we want" makes me wonder if they thought about it at all or just thought it sounded good.

When I see otherwise sensible-seeming people getting on board with that, I have to wonder if they know what they're defending, or just saw one side saying "Free speech uber alles" and the other saying "Free speech doesn't exist" and that's all they needed to know.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 11:48 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:It's still hard for me to believe anyone built a business plan around that absolutist ideal, and their attitude of "We'll just bluster our way to what we want" makes me wonder if they thought about it at all or just thought it sounded good.

A combination of the former and the latter. The idealistic fixation was formed because the ideal "sounded good" and became entrenched as fanaticism by victimization narratives which reframed negative feedback as persecution.

Blogger Steampunk Koala September 21, 2017 11:54 AM  

"Can you imagine me attacking an author that I was trying to recruit for Castalia House this way? Can you imagine ANY successful publisher doing so?"

This has been the central point of my recent discussions with some of the higher-ups in my local Libertarian party trying to convince me I totally belong in the Libertarian party if I would just drop the pro-life nonsense. I tried explaining to them that we already have two middle-of-the-road parties that are a blend of left and right policies, that abortion is a single-issue for a large chunk of right-wingers, and if they simply put uncontrolled immigration and abortion as aggression under the NAP the party would probably replace the Republican party by next election. I got a combination of snark, derision, and appeals to the Supreme Court's decisions as the highest authority on morality on Earth as far as who is a human goes. But I totally belong in the Libertarian party. I just need to dispose of my outdated ideas and embrace theirs entirely.

Which is why Libertarians are 1% or so of the voting population. But they are the 'fastest growing party' since last year, so they have already practically built that moon base, they just need to land the hang glider real quick. never mind that 'Independent' is already nearing 40% of the population. They're all just Libertarians and just don't realize it yet.

Anonymous Patron September 21, 2017 11:57 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:I've been waxing nostalgic here about the days of radically free speech on the Internet, but I knew that existed then mostly because normies weren't aware of it. A few minutes of thought made me realize it can't exist on the Web in 2017.

It can, but you have to go to places like 4chan and other odd corners to find it.

Anyway, 18 months to beat Gab. Be good to see how that turns out. I'm sure Torba won't mind, what with being a free market capitalist kind of guy ;) ...

Blogger Matthew September 21, 2017 12:00 PM  

Libertarians worship ideas that don't even have the benefit of corresponding to reality.

Blogger Quilp September 21, 2017 12:00 PM  

"A combination of the former and the latter. The idealistic fixation was formed because the ideal "sounded good" and became entrenched as fanaticism by victimization narratives which reframed negative feedback as persecution."

This

Blogger Jabari September 21, 2017 12:09 PM  

"you probably couldn't name any of them because I don't ever talk about them in public"

Kind of wish this one had stayed in the locker room as well.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 21, 2017 12:11 PM  

"BUT /pol HATES YOU"

/pol/ hates everyone. Especially "e-celebs," which they call everyone who gains popularity online, especially doing videos. Jordan Peterson is kind of an exception so far, I guess because he comes off as too scholarly to be in it for the fame. If Vox does more video stuff and it gets popular, they'll call him that too, and it won't have anything to do with the content. They're just suspicious of anyone putting himself out there that way, which I'd say is a reasonable default.

If anyone tells you /pol/ has his back in hating someone else, he's just lying.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 21, 2017 12:21 PM  

It can, but you have to go to places like 4chan and other odd corners to find it.

Even on 4chan, anything that violates local or US law is prohibited (that would include defamation), and doxing is specifically banned. If someone defames or doxes you there and you report it, it will be deleted.

If you want to get away with defamation on the Web today, you'll have to put it somewhere so out of the way that the targets never hear about it, which seems like it would spoil the fun a bit.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 21, 2017 12:27 PM  

Aeoli Pera:

Are you as sympathetic to SJWs you are the Alt-White/Reich? What can we do to save the white SJWs?

The only reason I turned out the way I did is I was homeschooled and my dad was interested in creation/evolution. Growing up with the truth protected me. They didn't have that.

If they can't even STFU and listen to what smarter and wiser men have to say just because their precious feels aren't being massaged 24/7, what is the point of "trying" to fix them? Either they figure it on their own...or they don't.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 12:31 PM  

Kind of wish this one had stayed in the locker room as well.

It could have. Andrew and Utsav chose not to respond to my emails or take my calls, and then publicly mocked me for attempting to contact them.

So, you know who is responsible for it going public.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 12:38 PM  

DissidentRight,

That's a great question and hadn't asked myself before.

I feel about 30% of the sympathy for SJWs as I do for Alt-Reich. Ideally it should be around 60%. To be frank, the discrepancy probably comes down to class differences- I feel less sympathy for the upper middle class than for the low and lower middle.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 21, 2017 12:39 PM  

@124 Cail Corishev

I've been waxing nostalgic here about the days of radically free speech on the Internet, but I knew that existed then mostly because normies weren't aware of it.

Exactly. What is "moderated email list"? Walled garden of free speech. Free speech by a limited group, or open group with not free speech. Choose one. Gab tried to have both.

Comment numbers are back. We can haz nice thing again?

Blogger Joshua_D September 21, 2017 12:39 PM  

What I find most interesting about all this is the varied and many spergish responses to the eternal Truth - "Relationships Matter". It's amazing to watch people like Torba speak in public about conflicts that normal people KNOW should be kept private. And on top of that, folks like Torba seem to be under the delusion that breaking those normal, social protocols won't have any negative consequences. Astonishing.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 21, 2017 12:43 PM  

@137

There are a lot of people with essentially zero social skills. Some of them are very bright, but they still can't work with anyone else. Like a dog that won't stop pooping on the rug, they cannot be allowed into certain places.

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson September 21, 2017 12:51 PM  

The thing that blows me away about so many of these AltRetard people is how they just take pots shots at other people. If Pax wants people to use his service then he can't go and take pot shots at one of the biggest names on the dissident right. It's just bad business practice.

In my job I can't just go and use my company's Twitter account to take pot shots at potential customers. I'd be justly fired in 15 minutes for doing it. You can see why so many of these people's business ventures fail, they alienate people who they have to maintain a business relationship with.

Blogger Lance E September 21, 2017 12:59 PM  

By "third place", are you placing Minds in 2nd or are they not considered alt-tech?

I didn't really find them compelling when I tried it for a few weeks, but I think their traffic is much larger than Gab.

Blogger VD September 21, 2017 1:09 PM  

By "third place", are you placing Minds in 2nd or are they not considered alt-tech?

No, I am not. 4th place if you include them.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 1:13 PM  

DissidentRight wrote:What can we do to save the white SJWs?

This is a more difficult question, but I'll give it a shot.

The uniting element between SJWs is extremely high trait Agreeableness (Big Five, ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreeableness). Jordan Peterson explains this better than I could, but in short the violence stems from the maternal caregiving instinct redirected from kin to victim groups determined by government policy and propaganda. It's like a mother bear and her cubs. In general, the way to "save" SJWs is to give them a more appropriate target for their care/harm morality. SJWs can be divided into internal factions, just like the Alt-Right. There are women, virtue signallers, social climbers, Gammas, Jews, etc. Saving some of them, e.g. Jews, is a logistical impossibility. Anyway, it's arguable whether they all fall under "white SJWs" because many are mixed, and then their use of social justice to pursue identity politics confounds the SJW issue.

SJW women are the easiest to save. Put babies in them (omg RAEP) and they'll become less interested in risk-taking activities like punching Nazis at political rallies, for obvious reasons. Virtue signallers are simple but not easy- change the prevailing morality and they'll play the same game within the new system. Social climbers are already drawn to the Alt-Right because it's fashy and edgy, but many of them aren't sold on the viability of that risk. You convince them by making it look like the movement is inevitable and gaining momentum (get in on the ground floor!). Many of the Alt-Reich leaders match that description (Spencer, Anglin, Enoch...). And the way to convince Gammas is to bring the women over, so they can niceguy it up.

Blogger kevmalone September 21, 2017 1:19 PM  

It is useful to have post numbering again. Thank you.

Blogger mgh September 21, 2017 1:24 PM  


JACIII wrote:... talking to Alt-retard ... Always looking for drama and firing off what they think are "gotchas"... So very true. Quality comments like this keep me coming back here.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora September 21, 2017 1:24 PM  

A movement that measures success by how well you meme and talk crap has a lot of idiotic high profile figures. Color me shocked.

Blogger Mastermind September 21, 2017 1:40 PM  

Vox was driving down the street when he gets a call from his wife.
"Vox, be very careful, I'm watching the news and there's a maniac on the highway going the wrong way."
To which Vox replies "It's not just one, it's hundreds of them!"

Anonymous Ivan Throne September 21, 2017 2:20 PM  

Or maybe it's the financial shambles which is leading to the emotional tantrum.

Excellent point, and accurate.

I will say that from my own sources (hearsay, but observably accurate now) is presents that Andrew Torba is not acting out of character. And that predates Gab.

However, you are nonetheless correct.

Tumble and turn!

Regards,

Ivan

Anonymous DissidentRight September 21, 2017 2:24 PM  

Aeoli Pera

Are you familiar with the escapades of the seeker-sensitive movement in American Christianity? Putting butts in the seats is not the same thing as growing the Church. As the boomers discovered to their chagrin.

Take gammas. What is the point of getting a gamma to join your group if you can’t beat the gamma out of him? The latter part is the part that’s actually important. The same goes for virtue signalers, social climbers, and all the rest of the snowflakes.

Sooner or later they’re gonna figure out we don’t snowflake. That’s when all the bitching and drama starts. It’s better for us (and them) if they sort themselves out FIRST.

The same thing goes for the Alt-Reich/White. Hence the Nate approach. At the end of the day, sympathy or not, what can anyone ACTUALLY do beyond set a good example, offer correction, and enforce standards? (Which is all already being done.) It's already too late for the Proverbs 22:6 method...

Anonymous Ivan Throne September 21, 2017 2:25 PM  

But I am always kind and magnanimous to enemies who genuinely repent of their opposition and submit.

Smiles here. Beautiful.

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 2:39 PM  

DissidentRight wrote:Aeoli Pera

Are you familiar with the escapades of the seeker-sensitive movement in American Christianity?


For a second there I mistook your question for curiosity. You are under the misapprehension that I have not heard and understood Vox's position on this.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 21, 2017 2:43 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:DissidentRight wrote:Aeoli Pera

Are you familiar with the escapades of the seeker-sensitive movement in American Christianity?


For a second there I mistook your question for curiosity. You are under the misapprehension that I have not heard and understood Vox's position on this.


Fair enough. To be fair, I was 50% curious.

Blogger James Dixon September 21, 2017 2:44 PM  

> Truth is the least convincing aspect of Christianity. A

To you, perhaps. It matters a bit more to some other folks. I'd guess the majority of other folks, but I can't actually say for certain.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 2:46 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> Truth is the least convincing aspect of Christianity. A

To you, perhaps. It matters a bit more to some other folks. I'd guess the majority of other folks, but I can't actually say for certain.


Literally autistic over here dude. Are you aware it's possible to NOT project and that people successfully describe other people EVERY DAY?

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 2:48 PM  

Uh dear, I just showed a hint of weakness there. Will have to kill it.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 21, 2017 2:54 PM  

DissidentRight wrote:Aeoli Pera wrote:DissidentRight wrote:Aeoli Pera

Are you familiar with the escapades of the seeker-sensitive movement in American Christianity?


For a second there I mistook your question for curiosity. You are under the misapprehension that I have not heard and understood Vox's position on this.


Fair enough. To be fair, I was 50% curious.


Good to hear, I'm a bit mentally tired this week and my game is slipping but apparently not 100% gone.

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 21, 2017 3:34 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Literally autistic over here dude. Are you aware it's possible to NOT project and that people successfully describe other people EVERY DAY?

Autistic people have to learn to do this just to get along with normies anyway. I'd argue autistic are better at it than most since the instinctive theory of mind and socializing that N?T people do just isn't there for them.

Anyway re: the Christian issue., I read some surveys lately that note that there are a lot less White Christians than people think, around 1/3 of young people and that includes identify as such as not 'Actually Christian"

Its hard for the Christian crowd around here to understand that White Western Christendom is waning fast and its hard for the .alt right in general to come up with some kind o social model that doesn't include Christendom as a cornerstone

This isn't just "the Poz" either its a natural progression of change , there being a time for everything including certain religious and social configurations.

Doesn't mean Christianity is done for, it only take a remnant and a desire to rebuild but it does mean that it might not be long for this culture. This creates tremendous dissonance in the .alt right movement and in fact I'd argue its the big gorilla in the room no one wants to mention

Problem is instead of alternative solutions we get recycled dog vomit like Hitlerism or outright silliness like Moar Heathenry

JMO here, Pre 1965 Demographics is probably an adequate goal for now but I don't know how to make a more complex society work, if we don't have a strong ethical foundation. Without one our own technology is an existential risk to our survival

Ah well, first things first

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 3:45 PM  

"Autistic people have to learn to do this just to get along with normies anyway. I'd argue autistic are better at it than most since the instinctive theory of mind and socializing that N?T people do just isn't there for them. "

Yes... I'm certain this is the case... they have it all figured out. while they are furiously rocking back and forth in their chair with their hands covering their ears.

Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 3:48 PM  

> while they are furiously rocking back and forth in their chair

TO THE BEAT OF THE UNIVERSE

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 3:55 PM  


> TO THE BEAT OF THE UNIVERSE

When we win... we're going to bring back institutions. Look... electro-shock therapy has come a long way. They sedate you for it now. My wife did it just this morning for a couple of nice young people. They left very happy.

Granted it would be better if they were going back to Parkview where they could be isolated and medicated and kept safely away... but... baby steps.


Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 3:58 PM  

I dunno Nate. I'm not sure Alabama will still have electricity once ya'll finish miscegenating with your ambient negroes. I'd have to look up the stats on India.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 4:05 PM  

"I dunno Nate. I'm not sure Alabama will still have electricity once ya'll finish miscegenating with your ambient negroes"

oh Koanic.. Alabama has been successfully dealing with minorities for a long long time. Segregation works just fine.

Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 4:09 PM  

Oh really. What's the state octaroon count?

Blogger LP9 September 21, 2017 4:10 PM  

Low?

No, no and no, they are lying, no one here or Vox etc., ever said to pull investment money it was clear a cancellation had to occur about 2 to 3 weeks back. Too much immaturity and emotoinalism from mgmt.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 4:15 PM  

"Oh really. What's the state octaroon count?"

same 25% its been for 200 years. and the mexican count was literally decimated.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 21, 2017 4:17 PM  

Koanic wrote:TO THE BEAT OF THE UNIVERSE
You crack me up, little buddy.

Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 4:21 PM  

25% of what? An octoroon is someone who is 1/8 black and 7/8 white.

I really wonder whether you're grasping my point. Once people with nonwhite blood are passing for white, the purity barrier cracks. Then the social stigma cracks. Eventually you wind up with a smooth gradient from white to brown. And a Portuguese IQ at best.

Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 4:23 PM  

> little buddy.

I am not small, and you are not funny.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 21, 2017 4:25 PM  

Koanic wrote:I am not small, and you are not funny.
I thought for sure an Aspie would get that.
And how on Earth would you know what is or is not funny?

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 4:30 PM  

"25% of what? An octoroon is someone who is 1/8 black and 7/8 white."

ah... I see... Forgive me... I'm not up on the terms you kids use. Round' these parts 1/8th black = 100% black.

one drop rule and all that.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 4:32 PM  


Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 4:41 PM  

> thought for sure an Aspie would get that.

Sorry, never watched the show. I misunderstood.

Nate, if you have no idea the percentage of octoroons, then you have no idea the number of 1/16ths, and you have no idea whether segregation "works". You are just emanating Boomer-esque indifference to the concerns of future generations, buoyed by comfortable neurotypical complacency. Your one drop rule will crack at 1/16ths, or 1/32, but it will crack as it always does.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing September 21, 2017 5:14 PM  

Ivan Throne wrote:
I will say that from my own sources (hearsay, but observably accurate now) is presents that Andrew Torba is not acting out of character. And that predates Gab.


Amy Torba PRO · @Amy
44 minutes
Supreme Dark Lord is so controlled on his periscope. So condescending Bashing Gab and everyone here. Unbelievable. Such a traitor. I've never seen a more pathetic man child


Ivan seems to be onto something here. This comment from Mrs. Torba was weird when I thought she was his Millennial wife. When it came out that she is his mother, it was quite obvious. She focused like a laser on "controlled" and "condescending" Vox. In my experience, this shows the typical Boomer daddy issues, and she probably went out of her way to raise her son to be the opposite of her self-controlled father.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 5:16 PM  

" Your one drop rule will crack at 1/16ths, or 1/32, but it will crack as it always does."

You've obviously never been to the deep south. Look... its simple... down here... whites and blacks don't mix. inter-racial relations still has a huge negative stigma here. I go weeks and never see more than one or two mutt kids... and they are always with their haggard pariah white single mother that no one will associate with because she's defiled herself.

Couple years ago... a pretty white girl cheerleader started shacking up with a negro. Her family disowned her. her friends all abandoned her. And the negro started dealing drugs and eventually beat her to death.

She's rotting away in an unmarked grave now.

I can assure you... such stories send powerful messages.

So I would ask you... we've lived like this since the 1700s. So if the sky is going to fall chicken little... well... When?


Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 5:38 PM  

> You've obviously never been to the deep south.

You're incorrect. My family is from Memphis and Mississippi.

Congratulations on you Southern gentlemen managing to hang on to some semblance of segregation. If you make a religion out of it you might last as long as the Aryans.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter whether you keep 100% of white girls from straying, because it's the white dicks you've gotta worry about.

Unless you think you can keep the peckers of the lowest of white trash out of black chicks, Alabama has two options: ethnic cleansing or external conquest.

Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 5:49 PM  

> So if the sky is going to fall chicken little... well... When?

This question's genetic naivete is staggering.

Compared to the usual geological pace of genetic events, the sky is falling RIGHT NOW, as the largest invasion in history targets North America...

as a direct consequence of the actions of mulattoes from Frederick Douglass to Martin Luther King Jr. to Barack Obama, all of whom either were Southerners or had Southern slave ancestors.

But hey! Segregation Works™.

*facepalm*

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 6:00 PM  

"You're incorrect. My family is from Memphis and Mississippi."

Memphis doesn't count mate. Lived there for 20 years. Every negro in memphis is one or two generations removed from Chicago.

Mississippi is better. Rural mississippi for example is nigh to 100% segregated. like rural alabama... towns are either all white or all black.

as for white trash boys banging black girls... i've never seen it... and believe me... white trash is easy to come by. Hell I have plenty of it in my own extended family.

Blogger Michael Maier September 21, 2017 6:08 PM  

Nate wrote:"Oh really. What's the state octaroon count?"

same 25% its been for 200 years. and the mexican count was literally decimated.


Only 10% left? That's not that much.

Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 6:08 PM  

You know what, never mind. I think it would be pretty funny for Alabama to be conquered twice for trying to hang onto its niggers.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 6:10 PM  

'You know what, never mind. I think it would be pretty funny for Alabama to be conquered twice for trying to hang onto its niggers.'

like some other notables... you're aiming at the wrong target old friend. You're worrying about blacks while the aztecs are invading.

Its stupid.

We can decide what to do about the blacks when the invaders are gone.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2017 6:19 PM  

"Only 10% left? That's not that much"

Bama never had a big problem with mexicans. The peak was around 3% back in 2010... now... now I doubt there is even .3%. even the mexican resturaunts have white employees.

Anonymous chedolf September 21, 2017 6:27 PM  

SirGroggy - ... what does Pax do? Why does he have fans? I don't really get why he is elevated.

@jokeocracy was the best Twitter account.

krymneth - An ally who turns their full, unrestrained firepower against you...

Pax still praises what he finds praiseworthy about Vox:

"Yes, I agree [SJWs Always Lie is a useful book]. I have recommended it and will continue to recommend it, regardless of Vox's recent idiocy."

Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 6:38 PM  

> We can decide what to do about the blacks when the invaders are gone.

Agreed. The timescale isn't that urgent. However, just because Alabama's blacks are well managed doesn't mean everyone else's are. Best to not antagonize them and just keep quiet about it, lest they mistake you for those ramming niggers down their daughters' vaginas.

Blogger Matthew September 21, 2017 8:25 PM  

Koanic wrote:25% of what? An octoroon is someone who is 1/8 black and 7/8 white.

I really wonder whether you're grasping my point. Once people with nonwhite blood are passing for white, the purity barrier cracks. Then the social stigma cracks. Eventually you wind up with a smooth gradient from white to brown. And a Portuguese IQ at best.


I was glad to see from Aeoli's blog that some of you are finally reading Coon. Once you catch up with the rest of the existing literature, you'll stop having to worry about smooth gradients.

Blogger Koanic September 21, 2017 9:47 PM  

> some of you are finally reading Coon.

Aeoli's blog is not a measure of forum knowledge.

> you'll stop having to worry about smooth gradients.

Stick to the safety of the elusive allusive.

Blogger mgh September 21, 2017 9:50 PM  

The key for Alabama is we have so few SJWs that when the time comes to take action there will be few SJW whites in the way Decades of stigma after the Wallace years caused the young SJWs to leave while few would dare to move in.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 10:39 PM  

"there being a time for everything including certain religious and social configurations."

Get thee behind me. The Word will never pass away.

The alt-right without Christendom is already dead, lying atheistic-moderate concern troll douchebags notwithstanding.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 10:42 PM  

I don't think you understand what exactly the dynamics between Christendom and hardship/pain/suffering/death are, A.B.

When those things surge, Christendom surges more.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 11:09 PM  

As for the whole white/black segregation thing, both sides have points. Even if segregation is 110% successful within 'Bama, do you have no people move in from out of state? How do you know whether they have mixed blood or not?

As for blacks not being the big issue right now, that's true, but if abortion goes away and social security doesn't... erm.

As for the demi-Aztecs, there is a huge problem. They not only are invading, but they're (relatively) competent. The segregation there falls a whole lot easier, or never rises in the first place. In addition to that, many of them maintain their (non-American) language, not even bothering to learn English.

Punctuality? What's that? Mexican time may be even worse than BPT. Honesty? Diligence? Not so much.

The biggest problem with these people is that they're already quite mixed between white/other, further mixing and pass-for-white children are almost a foregone conclusion.

Then again, all of the above is only really relevant if you're super concerned about perfecting the world. Christendom doesn't really care about creating Earthly paradise through eugenics programs (in which case those other races PROBABLY actually have some traits you'd need to isolate and introduce into your "ideal" population, though this will be a very long, very slow, very inhuman and painful process) and such, because we're aware that this is humanly impossible. So, in regards to mixed races, the questions are:

#1: Is it hindering the Christian life?
#2: Is it hindering the Christian's neighbors?
#3: Is it hindering the Christian testimony/missionaries?

If the answers are no, leave it be. If any of the answers are yes, eliminate the problem by whatever minimum necessary means, up to and including killing it with fire.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 22, 2017 2:32 AM  

Bird on a Wing September 21, 2017 5:14 PM
When it came out that she is his mother



wut? i hope you're joking.

in order for Amy to be his mother, she'd have had to given birth to him when she was, like, two.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Amy+Torba&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnic2dkrjWAhXmwlQKHRU9CQoQ_AUICigB&biw=1131&bih=712#imgrc=zkhIjHB-LO3bVM:

she said she was A mother, not HIS mother.

ie - typical female trying to substitute Social Position for the Facts.

also, using her children as shields, as women often do.


Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2017 11:09 PM
further mixing and pass-for-white children are almost a foregone conclusion.


have you seen Canelo Alvarez?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Sa%C3%BAl_%C3%81lvarez_2013.jpg

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 22, 2017 3:47 AM  

Nate wrote:Yes... I'm certain this is the case... they have it all figured out. while they are furiously rocking back and forth in their chair with their hands covering their ears.

heh. I was referring to Aspies more than lower functioning people but you have a point there.

Most autists I've met seem to lack any theory of mind or any real interest in learning about the topic but my though was that the ones that do once they do can get pretty good at it since theory of mind can be analyzed since they need it to function anyway

They still come off weird, people assume they are sociopaths sometimes or the like. I'd almost bet there are a ton of shrinks with some degree of spectrum disorder.

Those folks seem to understand what is going on, how people should behave (and how to get that behavior) but don't seem to have the right timing cues or often can't be arsed to try which annoys everyone around them

It kind of reminds me of the faerie folklore where someone would marry a fae wife who might laugh a funeral since she thinks the ritual is funny . Such matches seldom went well.

Than again I could be completely wrong on the autism issue which happens once in a long while

No re: rocking , properly stimming , its a stress reliever mostly though its also fun.

Autistic people aren't hearing the music of the universe rather everything is too goddamned loud and the filters just don't work right so they need to vent or in some cases they are just playing the story in their head

Its just fidgeting turned up to 11 really.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 22, 2017 4:00 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:As for the whole white/black segregation thing, both sides have points. Even if segregation is 110% successful within 'Bama, do you have no people move in from out of state? How do you know whether they have mixed blood or not?

All this would predicated on either an independent nation with its own nukes aimed square the Damned Yankees or some very different changes in the composition of CONUS than we would expect right away

Technically though its easy .DNA testing is pretty reliable and cheap, probably $50-100 per person.

Optionally the Mark One Eyeball test (compare to a skin tone card) would work fine

For example, most people would see someone who looks like Meghan Markle (who BTW claims to me mixed race) as White and as such no one is going to care that much

You might end up with some Ocatroons (1/8 Africans) or people like the Melungeons (who are though to have several bloodlines) but its not going to matter long run and someone whose great great grand somebody was Black has slightly more African DNA than Whites do Neanderthal

Blogger wreckage September 22, 2017 5:00 AM  

Neurotypicals almost all act like hysterical women. We point out facts and they get their feels all bunched up in their butt crack.

I'll freely admit there seem to be some folks here giving aspies a bad name. To them I say: be nice, be loyal as hell, apologize when necessary, and learn to shut up.

That will fix 99/100 problems for you. Trust me; turns out I'm quite markedly aspie and not only did no-one spot it for 30 years or so, some people are actually shocked when I tell them.

Blogger John Milton September 22, 2017 10:40 AM  

Pax is winning.

Anonymous Daniel September 22, 2017 11:10 AM  

wreckage wrote:Trust me; turns out I'm quite markedly aspie and not only did no-one spot it for 30 years or so, some people are actually shocked when I tell them.

I know that feel. Neurotypical normies may have the social instinct that lets them sniff out those who are different in any way, but this is often balanced out by their almost complete inability to consider the existence of any other kind of person than the neurotypical normie. So they just end up thinking that you're slightly weird but otherwise just like them.

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 22, 2017 3:05 PM  

All this fuss and bother about Aspies is a product of modernity anyway. I doubt anyone in the pre modern past would have cared or noticed minor oddities and the over-stimulation that plagues modernity didn't exist anyway



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