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Sunday, September 17, 2017

That's not encouraging

Sebastien Gorka tries to tell the anti-immigration Right to settle down about DACA, but in doing so, illustrates that neither he nor the President truly grasp its position.
Gorka: “Take a deep breath, and wait a day.” Sure enough, less than a day, nine hours later, we have the counterpoint from the press secretary and from the President himself. Look, having worked for the man, let me tell you that it’s neither of the options that you, or scenarios that you have painted. He knows, he knows why he is the president. He knows that the first policy issue that catapulted him into preeminence as a presidential candidate was the border, was immigration. He knows that when Jeff Sessions put on that hat, Jeff Sessions was bringing his stance on illegal immigration to his campaign to set him apart from the 16 other hackneyed establishment candidates the GOP had arrayed against him. The president’s not gonna go back.

The other scenario is also fallacious. I love reading how we have these uber-Trumpsters… Look, I’m here to support the president inside the White House or outside the White House. If I read another article on how the president is doing 48-dimensional chess…

Buskirk: Right.

Gorka: It’s just, no, he doesn’t do that. He’s not some kind of uber-Machiavellian operator. He is an instinctual actor, a masterful … But he’s not plotting a … Steve Bannon is the fifth dimensional Vulcan, OK? That’s how Steve Bannon operates. He is the super strategist. The president, and that’s why Steve and the president work so well together, the president, as we’ve discussed, is this present, natural, instinctual actor. He goes into these meetings in ways that the swamp doesn’t. Of course, they tweeted the second they got out of the Oval, because they’re politicians and they want to get reelected. The president doesn’t think like that. He’s thinking about the American interest, and at the end of the day, he is not going to sell us up the river, I tell you that.

Buskirk: Okay, so look, that’s extremely helpful. That’s why I really wanted to talk to you. You know the president as well as anybody, way better than most. What’s your understanding of what happened? What do you think is the right way to think about it?

Gorka: Okay, so two things are important. The way I explain what’s happened in the last seven days is the following. Number one, the original response to DACA from the president is quintessential Donald Trump. He said, “Look, this is un-American because it’s unconstitutional.” President Obama behaved like an emperor when he created DACA. He has no right to legislate from the Oval Office, and that’s why he told to the attorney general, “End it now.” That’s why AG Sessions said, “DACA is over.”

However, Donald Trump, if you’ve read anything about him, to get his own books, read the real books not the tag jobs, the real books about him. He is one of the most charitable, kind-hearted men you’ll ever meet. He doesn’t wear it on his sleeve, he’s very quiet about it, but he is a very warm-hearted individual. He is not prepared to see young men and women who have not committed any crime of their own doing, be deported from this nation. He said to Congress, “Guys, let’s work this out.” Criminals, we get rid of them, and he’s absolutely adamant. You’re a member of MS-13, you’re a Dreamer who’s killed somebody, as has happened, you are going to be imprisoned or be deported. End of story. For those people who have not committed any crime beyond being brought here as a child by their parents, we’ve got to find a solution that comports with our Judeo-Christian charitable basis. Those are the things we have to understand about what the president is doing.
This is why philosophical coherence, and intellectual precision, are so important. Because when you don't have the guidance offered by those tools, you will have a tendency to make decisions based on your emotions. First, there is no "Judeo-Christian charitable basis", so the entire premise is false. There is no need to find a solution that comports with something that does not exist; the Good Samaritan did not adopt and take into his house the children of the man he found beaten by the roadside.

Second, if Donald Trump is not prepared to see young men and women who have not committed any crime of their own doing be deported, he is not psychogically suited to be President. The law is clear, the principle is settled, the American people have been burned by such amnesties before and they are not going to accept another one, no matter how many sob stories about "Dreamers" are waved like red flags before the public.

However, if there is one thing that is clear about Donald Trump, it is that he is capable of learning from his mistakes. His base needs to be very clear about the fact that failing to keep his word on DACA is not acceptable.

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124 Comments:

Blogger JACIII September 17, 2017 5:58 AM  

They've been such model (non)citizens; Getting education, jobs, starting companies. Mexico would be honored to have them back. You'd think.

Anonymous Rocklea September 17, 2017 5:59 AM  

"This is why philosophical coherence, and intellectual precision, are so important. Because when you don't have the guidance offered by those tools, you will have a tendency to make decisions based on your emotions."

After reading Turchin and listening to one of Prechter's books, it is clear to me that most, 61.8%, do decide on emotion and the rest are just contrarian.

Anonymous b September 17, 2017 6:12 AM  

I stand with JACIII - if they're so great, then Mexico/Guatemala should be clamoring to get them back, and they should be anxious to assist their people. Same for Africa/Africans - if it's so horrific living here with the racism, go back and build your own empire.

The sympathy is misplaced - it should be directed to Americans that suffer from the presence of La Dreamers.

The extent of our sympathy to the unfortunate aliens should be *perhaps* a fully-paid bus ticket to the border and a Best Wishes card. No hard feelings.

Anonymous Icicle September 17, 2017 6:15 AM  

Maybe the Dreamers can finally fix their water supply.

I can dream.

Blogger Jew613 September 17, 2017 6:33 AM  

So their parents committed a crime and the children should be rewarded? I guess if my father robs a bank I can keep the money since I did nothing wrong.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 17, 2017 6:46 AM  

"He’s not some kind of uber-Machiavellian operator."

That's where I think Gorka is wrong. Trump normally isn't, but he can be. He's spent his entire career using misdirection on people. The White House is now run like a Military Spook campaign. "The leaks are real, the news is fake." It's all DisInfo from the go now.

That's why the actual play is being utterly Machiavellian in this instance. Force the GOPe to push some DACA bill and have it die in Congress. Making Paul Ryan more hated doesn't hurt Trump or MAGA. Let #AmnestyDon trend. Let the base get really worked up. Put Paul Ryan's Primary in serious jeopardy. Let the next rally chant "build the wall" for 20 minutes.

There's a reason Trump has significant outside feedback loops. He knows how Reagan got tripped up so badly.

Also, Trump fooled all of the Intelligence Agencies with the profile he created for the Media. I do have a feeling Trump wants to avoid the "cruel Trump" narrative as DACA was an intentional minefield left by Obama. But since the GOPe can't even get anything fixed, good luck trying to force through a DACA bill when the entire GOP Base is going to be up in arms. This should be fun.

Blogger Keith September 17, 2017 6:51 AM  

"He is not prepared to see young men and women who have not committed any crime of their own doing, be deported from this nation."

The most important line in that article

Blogger APL September 17, 2017 7:15 AM  

b: "Same for Africa/Africans - if it's so horrific living here with the racism"

There is of course no racism in Africa. Rwanda is the exemplar, Social Justice Warriors hold for Western countries to aspire.

The 'DREAMER' 'Children' lie could be put to rest by simply permitting them residency, but NEVER citizenship. They having arrived in the country by breaking the laws, have disqualified themselves ( or their parents have ) from ever being law abiding citizens of the USA.

Anonymous simplytimothy September 17, 2017 7:16 AM  

There's a reason Trump has significant outside feedback loops. He knows how Reagan got tripped up so badly.


Does he? Recognize how important that feedback loop is, then ask what would happen if it is gone.
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2017/09/the-ooda-loop-of-trumps-insurgency-has-been-smashed.html

Now, I don't think Robb is correct, rather, I see wishful thinking on his part. But....if that feedback loop gets compromised....

So then, what are the proactive measures to verify it is not compromised and what are the alternative communication routes?

Paranoid? yes. I want Trump to succeed.

Blogger Koanic September 17, 2017 7:24 AM  

The humane thing to do is put them down, but long term we need to talk about spaying and neutering your South Americans.

Blogger Keith September 17, 2017 7:31 AM  

"The 'DREAMER' 'Children' lie could be put to rest by simply permitting them residency, but NEVER citizenship."

And what about the boatloads of children they will surely have?

Blogger Rick September 17, 2017 7:39 AM  

Possibilities:
1) that's just Gorka's opinion
2) when a guy tells me he's not playing 48th dimensional chess...
3) he not really talking to us, it's only framed to look that way.

Blogger APL September 17, 2017 7:40 AM  

Keith: "And what about the boatloads of children they will surely have?"

Don't know, don't care. Perhaps they should take Spanish as a second language (shrug).

Anonymous DissidentRight September 17, 2017 7:41 AM  

He is not prepared to see young men and women who have not committed any crime of their own doing, be deported from this nation.

That puts a hard limit on any dreams anyone may have had about Trump saving the USA, and gives us something to shoot for. We must make Trump understand that DACA is non-negotiable.

we’ve got to find a solution that comports with our Judeo-Christian charitable basis.

We also have to make it clear that Judeo-Christianity is a suicide pact, and we are not Judeo-Christians.

The humane thing to do is put them down, but long term we need to talk about spaying and neutering your South Americans.

Who's "we" Nazi?

Blogger Koanic September 17, 2017 7:45 AM  

> Who's "we" Nazi?

Not thee cucky.

Blogger JACIII September 17, 2017 7:46 AM  

Trudeau wants them. Send them north instead of South. Let him virtue signal for the world.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 17, 2017 7:47 AM  

@simplytimothy

Trump is a phone call guy. Lots and lots and lots of phone calls. Part of it simply comes down to the fact he'll call up Bannon or Hannity a couple of times per week, if needed. If something is really important, DJTjr will get him the information.

He's also stepped on a few landmines over the course of things from stuff he's just never thought a lot about. (I'm thinking Abortion & punishing Women that you simply wouldn't know unless you got lost in the weeds on the topic.) But DACA is a massive tightrope walk, as we've seen they "protest on demand" breaking out. They had been *waiting* for that.

But the real game is something Thomas Wictor (see him on Twitter) noticed. Beyond just Military-types in the Administration, Trump has surround himself with Military Spooks. Gen. Flynn wasn't some nobody. He might be the best spook of the post-Cold War era. Trump has a deep store of support (both moral & real) from power factions that are never making the news.

Let me put it this way: Cernovich & Posobiec are big Social Media presences with connections. That's a former military lawyer and a military intelligence guy with deep Administration contacts.

Once is happenstance.
Twice is coincidence.
Thrice it’s enemy action.

There are too many former military guys showing up with connections/leaks/information beyond some randomness. The biggest change in the post-Iraq War period of the military is all of the training in counter-insurgency actions. Which means lots of Intelligence & PsyOp approaches, but all of those skills are now with the PMCs. No one in Washington really considered when those activities came home, did they?

There is also the interrelated Strategic Level planning that has gone into most things. The Current North Korea/China strategic positioning is so deep that it should spawn an entire genre of strategic studies, minus the fact the current Academy is incapable of understanding anything. That doesn't happen by accident or even short term planning. This is long-ranging planning that just doesn't happen at quickly.

Also, one point about Gorka's statement on Trump being instinctual. Trump hides his intellect very well, which means he's got his approach down to a science. It's little different than a professional athlete seeming to move faster than others, when what they're really doing is not wasting movement and knowing where they need to be next. So what seems like working by "feel" is really just massive experience letting him know an answer almost instantly, even to complex issues.

Blogger Bob Ramar September 17, 2017 8:00 AM  

Vox: You said "... he is capable of learning from his mistakes".

Suppose, on the other hand that this is not a mistake. That this was the intention all along. I think back to Jimmy Carter's campaign (He saved us from a Ted Kennedy Presidency), Ronald Regan's campaign (He saved us from a Nelson Rockefeller Presidency), G. Bush's 'Read My Lips' candidacy, etc. We do not know who Trump owes money to with his real estate empire but you have to guess that the money center banks actually own him. His administration is loaded with Goldman people. They are the survivors of the 'purge' that ended two weeks ago with Bannon's firing. Stick a wet finger into the wind and make a guess on who is actually calling the shots.

I don't put any credence in the establishment Republicans hating President Trump. They too are 'owned' by outside forces who are calling the shots. Look at what happens, not what they say.

Anonymous Circumsucker V2.0 - President Cuck Edition September 17, 2017 8:02 AM  

Neva gonna stop cucking neva gonna stop. There are no Repukes and Demons, they are one in the same now.

"We’re going to cuck. We’re going to cuck so much. We’re going to cuck on trade, we’re going to cuck on the border. We’re going to cuck so much, you’re going to be so sick and tired of my cucking, you’re going to come to me and go ‘Please, please, you can’t cuck anymore.’ You’ve heard this one. You’ll say ‘Please, Mr. President, we beg you sir, we don’t want you to cuck anymore. It’s too much. It’s not fair to everybody else.’” Trump said. “And I’m going to say ‘I’m sorry, but we’re going to keep cucking, cucking, cucking, We’re going to make Amnesty great again.”

Blogger Stilicho September 17, 2017 8:02 AM  

At this point it appears Trump thought he could give the leftists DACA in return for a meaningless photo op because he thought he'd have to give it to them eventually. He failed to understand how much the left wants and needs DACA and how terrified they were that they wouldn't get it. They would have given almost anything to get it because the left views DACA as the pebble that starts the amnesty avalanche (and given the GOPe proclivities, they probably aren't wrong). Next up, a virtual fence instead of a wall in exchange for amnesty: both sides declare victory, but only one side wins.

Anonymous simplytimothy September 17, 2017 8:03 AM  

@Looking Glass

Thx.

There is also the interrelated Strategic Level planning that has gone into most things. The Current North Korea/China strategic positioning is so deep that it should spawn an entire genre of strategic studies, minus the fact the current Academy is incapable of understanding anything. That doesn't happen by accident or even short term planning. This is long-ranging planning that just doesn't happen at quickly.

That long-term planning and execution is a lesson I wish I had learned as a younger man. Watching Trump do that is a huge confidence builder.

What I did not consider is the depth that you write about. I am thinking that what I see is all there is to see. It makes perfect sense that Trump would get the best at the best. I do hope that the flim-flam "men" in Congressional leadership and the media get their asses handed to them by their better.

I feel much better now, thanks for commenting.

btw, I followed Wictor on twitter.

thanks again.

Blogger red clock September 17, 2017 8:08 AM  

Trump is clueless and has repeatedly asked Congress for a DACA Amnesty. There are at least a million 'dreamers' and when they become citizens, their families also become eligible for citizenship. That's millions of illegal immigrants and new Democrat voters.

This means the biggest Amnesty in decades. Mexcians will realize that becoming an American by hopping the border is very possible and pour in.

All this facilitated by the guy whose central promise was to deport illegals and stop them from coming in.

If that's not a con and a betrayal of magnificent proportions, I don't know what is.

And don't tell me to wait and see what happens. Trump clearly wants this and has said so. He's not even asking for a wall in return. The 'nationalist' candidate is prioritizing Amnesty for millions of invaders. If it is stopped, it will be thanks to some sane Republicans in congress/Senate and not Trump.

And implying that those who want to save America and enforce laws don't have compassion or heart is abusive to his own followers. Gorka's spin shows he is a phony too.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 17, 2017 8:11 AM  

To further my point, Trump is running a chunk of the White House in a manner that falls into the category of a "forest of mirrors". This is how the Soviets kept American Intelligence running circles for decades. The only people that actually know more than a small part is a tightly controlled group at the very top.

This makes figuring out what is going on stupidly difficult. It also makes prognostications very difficult.

Even Michael Ledeen had to break out the ouiji board recently: https://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2017/06/06/spooks-on-spooks/

If you want a really interesting side-light, figure out why Cernovich is in McMasters' head. It's not that there is so many layers to the "game". It's just that the real "game" is managed by such a small group that they can act with amazing deception without anyone else being able to track it back.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 8:13 AM  

Tweeted this to realDonaldTrump:
The Good Samaritan did not adopt into his house the children of the man he found beaten by the roadside. SEND DACA BACK!
and
@#realDonaldTrump DACA illegals' parents and siblings can get immediate family visas. TENS of millions here illegally getting SSNs! MAGA!

Working on more: Hoping at SOME will get through... or at least be counted by some flunkie and added to the piles of people trying to strengthen his backbone!

Blogger GraceIronwood September 17, 2017 8:17 AM  

I agree with the comment about the 4D chess:
Trump is one of Nature's media savants.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 8:17 AM  

They've been such model (non)citizens; Getting education, jobs, starting companies.

Yeah, taking American seats in American schools and colleges so Americans can't get in; pushing Americans out of jobs; starting "companies" that push Americans -- and esp. American teens! -- out of starter jobs: lawn care, fast food, janitorial -- and worse out of ACTUAL make-a-living jobs: construction, food processing, manufacturing, etc.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 8:22 AM  

Jew316: Thanks, here's another tweet:

DACA illegals: parents committed a crime and the children should be rewarded? I rob a bank so my kids keep the money?

(I DO miss the longer GAB messaging; but suppose there's more chance getting shorter msgs through the gauntlet?)

(Really encourage everyone you know to send tweets; dunno is damned Kelly has completely blinded the President, but we have to try! (Be nice to do a march outside the W.H. with signs... Wish he'd hold a rally! Or better a 'town-hall"!)

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 8:24 AM  

The most important line in that article

As the old-timey print-media (that's all there was) used to print:

"Important IF TRUE!"

Anonymous Looking Glass September 17, 2017 8:24 AM  

I see our poop flinger is back.

@simplytimothy

One of the deeper insights to get about the Trump Presidency is that all of D.C. has 1 skill: getting elected. No one actually has any skills at doing much beyond raising money for that skill. It makes everyone else look catastrophically incompetent because... they are.

The other part is that everyone that runs for the President has the ambition to be President. No one has actually shown up there with a plan for what to do. For most, the Office was too big for them, but no one really shows up with actual plans. Trump has plans. Lots of plans. We'll see how they work out, and most of them you'll only see far after they've started to play out.

Anonymous Mark in Atlanta September 17, 2017 8:32 AM  

Here is an entertaining story about a Rwandan man involved in the genocide who was magically transformed into a Cedar Rapids man.....
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/cedar-rapids-man-sentenced-for-participation-in-rwandan-genocide-20170302, and you will love the part where he burns his own house down, tell that to Gorka and the Pres.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 8:33 AM  

APL: lie could be put to rest by simply permitting them residency

No. No residency, do not get to stay, no NOTHING!

That's nearly (probably) ONE MILLION people we DO NOT NEED! Don't CARE how "wonderful" they are! They must go back! And ALL their relatives of whatever degree must ALSO go back; and BOTH GROUPS should be disallowed from ever returning! If "family reunification" is such a thing; then family "exportation" should ALSO be a thing!

Wasn't it Cabrini Green, that for a short time (before the whining began about poor unfathered sibs and the had-never-worked-in-their-lives mothers having to take responsibility for themselves), THREW THE FAMILY OUT of 'free housing' if the teens committed (violent) crimes: and the crime rate dropped! (MAGIC!) If you FORCE the family to be responsible for the actions of their badly raised (or naturally low-IQ and/or criminal) children, the family 'suddenly' gets a stake in how they're raised!

Look back to the 1920 and 30s -- when negro families that did NOT pretend to accept and, at least, live within White 'strictures,' were harshly punished; somehow they managed to "act as if" they belonged in White civilized society!

Blogger Quilp September 17, 2017 8:34 AM  

I have to agree with Red clock's assessment of the situation. What is it about Trump supporters that have them ascribing some advanced strategic planning ability to the President when all that really happened is he changed his mind. Whether it's "muh Conservative principles", or Trump's 4D chess ability, stop accepting the opposite of what you were promised because _______. I thought we were finally going to have a President who simply said NO, my heart is with the American worker, not a false show of empathy for foreigners who are really just cheap labor. Gorka telling us to "settle down", tells me there is no argument for what the President is doing other than simple caving.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 8:34 AM  

Oh, hey! I know what we can call that:

Actions have Consequences!

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 8:35 AM  

The humane thing to do is put them down, but long term we need to talk about spaying and neutering your South Americans.
Who's "we" Nazi?


Me. I'm in! When can we start?

Blogger Koanic September 17, 2017 8:42 AM  

> When can we start?

The (((Commies))) didn't take over America with that kind of attitude!

Blogger Cail Corishev September 17, 2017 8:47 AM  

I agree that the president is generally (too) kind-hearted, and he never said during the campaign that he wanted to send every illegal back; he was always focused on the "bad" ones. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he hoped to work out a deal where certain "good" types like the DACAs could stay, in exchange for building the Wall, deporting the rest, and cutting the flow. And if we'd been offered that deal a couple years ago, I think most of us would have jumped at it, because it appeared that the alternative was open borders and amnesty every 20 years or so.

But now that Americans are waking up and talking about it -- thanks in large part to Trump -- the possibilities have improved. Whether he intended it or not, by making the cancellation of DACA real, he shifted the conversation from "Of course we want to keep the good ones" to "Should we kick them all out or keep a few?" You're not a loon if you talk about that now.

He didn't have to do that. If he just wanted to keep the DACAs, all he had to do was....nothing. Just continue the status quo. The optics of DACA are dicey enough that no one would have been surprised or upset if he'd left that class of immigrant to deal with later, concentrating first on the low-hanging fruit of drug dealers and drunk drivers, blocking entry from Muslim nations, and building the Wall. He tackled DACA early because he thought he could get something out of it. Whether it was a well-thought-out strategy or an instinctive sense that it could be used to bring Congress to heel, I don't know, and I don't know if it matters. Either way, he could have miscalculated, or not. I would note that the first objections were, "Oh no, they'll have a bill on his desk tomorrow, and then what?" But they haven't, have they?

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise September 17, 2017 8:47 AM  

APL: "... by simply permitting them residency, but NEVER citizenship.

Nope. The counter-argument would essentially remain the same:

"He is not prepared to see young men and women who have not committed any crime of their own doing be denied citizenship in this nation."

That's why the Dreamers will get the full boat, or nothing.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 17, 2017 8:53 AM  

@Quilp

The "outsider" won the GOP Primary while beating the Bush Family, then won the General while beating the Clinton Family. He cracked the "Blue Wall" that no GOP member could even touch.

He's already called North Korea's bluff about Guam and they backed down.

He's using India & Japan to play against China. He'll next be using all of ASEAN against China.

He's using NAFTA to put the screws into both Canada & Mexico at the same time, while China keeps coming up as much of the problem.

He's opened up selling as much energy as we can export to different regions to keep global energy prices down, giving him strategic leverage over Russia & the EU.

There's a reason we're at the "Trump won't..." level about 150 down at this point.

Once is happenstance.
Twice is coincidence.
Thrice it’s enemy action.

Trump is an American Original and surrounds himself with incredibly good thinkers & planners. This doesn't mean he won't make mistakes, but look how he's handled two separate Hurricanes. That's not just "get out in front of things". That's a clear analysis of how Bush got played by the Media during Hurricane Katrina.

This is why whatever DACA deal the Democrats thought they could get keeps getting worse for them. The stunt that the pulled probably annoyed Trump more than anything else, but it was also a sign that DACA war far more important to the Dems. Thus Trump is getting his feedback loop from the base, while also upping the cost on the Democrats.

High-level Strategic Planning doesn't mean you don't make mistakes. It means you have a plan for how to deal with them when you do. That's where Col. Boyd's OODA loop is incredibly valuable. Reorient yourself as quickly as possible. And let Trump know "Build the Wall, Deport them all!".


As a practical matter, giving them 2-3 years and a plane ticket home is an acceptable deal.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 17, 2017 9:08 AM  

His base needs to be very clear about the fact that failing to keep his word on DACA is not acceptable.

And that's true no matter what his intentions are. If he just doesn't get it, or is going soft, he needs to be straightened back up. If he gets the situation and is using DACA as part of a strategy against Congress, then he needs that visible groundswell of anger over DACA to hold over Congress's head.

Amusingly, Pelosi and Schumer are getting attacked from the left for even suggesting that they might give in on "border security." Leftists don't think that's an empty promise, and they think DACA should be considered so untouchable and holy that it deserves its own legislation with no compromises.

Anonymous Rocklea September 17, 2017 9:13 AM  

Been along time since I read How To Win Friends And Influence People, but I seem to recollect a story from it wear someone had bought some drapes and really thought they'd paid too much. Anyways, people would comment on them and ask if they were expensive. If the person asking reacted with shock at the high cost, the owner would defend the purchasing decision. If the person asking said they thought the price was fair, the owner would admit they thought they payed too much.

As Cail says above, what is possible is shifting, the way people think about things is changing. If what Looking Glass is postulating as deep planning is true, then shifting the social mood is the goal, or at least part of it. People do decide on emotion. The more people are angry about DACA the better.

Adopt a Dreamer today, their parents hate them, left them with no country, sad. #NotTheirFault

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 17, 2017 9:20 AM  

I can't know for sure what Trump's mind is here. But it is certainly possible that part of his play is to encourage outrage in the anti-immigration base to get us loudly jeering and making a fuss.

Most politicians won't do such a thing as their egos are much too fragile. That's why they can't read Trump well, they can only project their own insecurities and massive ego on him.

He's playing a whole different game than the rest of D.C., and loves having EVERYONE running around in tizzy. So we should be wary and definitely make a fuss with Congress, but remain faithful until we actually see betrayal (in actions, not just apparent rhetoric).

Blogger SirGroggy September 17, 2017 9:21 AM  

First, there is no "Judeo-Christian charitable basis", so the entire premise is false. There is no need to find a solution that comports with something that does not exist; the Good Samaritan did not adopt and take into his house the children of the man he found beaten by the roadside.

The strong Christian man should do what is right, regardless of whether he feels sorry for the people. These people should not be in the country - they need to go BACK.

It is the RIGHT thing to do. You were elected to do it - DO IT.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 17, 2017 9:26 AM  

They're still here, thus the crime is still being committed.

**** them all, illegal invaders.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 17, 2017 9:28 AM  

For those people who have not committed any crime beyond being brought here as a child by their parents, we’ve got to find a solution that comports with our Judeo-Christian charitable basis.

It's not charity to invite strangers into your neighbor's house.

Blogger SirGroggy September 17, 2017 9:33 AM  

It's not charity to invite strangers into your neighbor's house.

They are people who are given democratic power to govern, in the interests of the country they govern.

CHARITY is not part of the deal. It does not state in the constitution that the President and the executive branch is to be in charge of charitable works and compassionate activities.

Trump was made Commander in Chief. This is not a CHARITY.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 17, 2017 9:33 AM  

The strong Christian man should do what is right

Also, you can deport people with Christian charity. Heck, you can execute people with Christian charity. Once you've established that they have to go back, then you can afford to talk about how to do it charitably. If you get things out of order, putting concerns about charitability ahead of doing what's right, you'll never get there.

Anonymous Simplytimothy September 17, 2017 9:36 AM  

To all that add "Reality T.V. star"

The intellectual flexibility (process, not goals, as Adams writes) to juggle that while doing business is humbling to behold.


Blogger SirGroggy September 17, 2017 9:38 AM  

For those people who have not committed any crime beyond being brought here as a child by their parents, we’ve got to find a solution that comports with our Judeo-Christian charitable basis.

Is this Angela Merkel speaking? It sounds like her.

Remember when she said, when asked about what she had done to Germany by opening the borders? She said go to a church and look at a stain glass window (or something to that effect).

Then after the Cologne NYE mass sexual assaults, she said, well, some of them are criminals and will have to be deported.

The fact they are criminals has nothing to do with it - they do not belong, they should be in their home countries. It doesn't matter whether they are saints. They are in the wrong country!

Blogger SirGroggy September 17, 2017 9:40 AM  

Also - if you feel charitable towards them? Then donate to a charity or start one yourself or try to help them on an individual basis.

DO NOT run for government, take power and then open the borders on behalf of everybody else who did not consent to that.

Blogger Lovekraft September 17, 2017 9:41 AM  

There are some leftist/globalist principles that, should they be discredited, would bring their entire house down (think the wage gap).

Obama being portrayed as a power-mad tyrant in crippling middle America would open the left up to so much more animosity and criticism. So if Trump knows this, he has leverage. He can isolate them with his power to cancel any agreement.

What to do next may be to keep letting the left own this issue and if something goes bad (think of that Somali/Minneapolis cop shooting that blond but times 100), the right can point out how it is the left that demanded this.

Anonymous Simplytimothy September 17, 2017 9:42 AM  

@looking glass U think the key to getting Trump is to realize that he.massively outclasses his detractors.

I will experiment with that filter and see where.it leads. With it, most if the detractors here, by applying that filter, are 'bouncing off mirrors'

Hope you are.right. thx again

Anonymous Simplytimothy September 17, 2017 9:43 AM  

I think, not U think. Sorry

Blogger Dave September 17, 2017 9:46 AM  

Gorka: When they came for dinner and they came to the Oval, he wasn’t firing a shot over the bow of the GOP establishment. He was firing a torpedo into the hull of the GOP establishment. He’s sending a message, “You want to fail me again? You don’t understand who won on November 8th? Guess what, there are other people I can work with and hopefully, hopefully those people who are mired in their own establishment dreck, like Paul Ryan, will wake up and understand who won the election last November.

I'm all for firing torpedos into the hull of the GOPe. Now we wait for the AARs.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 17, 2017 9:50 AM  

@Rocklea

Everything with Trump has deep planning. How much in each instance? No clue. Nor can it ever really be sorted out. That's the power of the Disinformation White House campaign: no one that wants to look can truly figure it out. It runs off the entire DC Media set because they aren't smart enough.

Now, Schumer & Pelosi pulled a stunt on Trump when no deal had been reached. Some leaks had pointed to a framework of one, but it wasn't finalized. The stunt was intended to get Trump to cave on it, I think. Notably, that hasn't happened. Which is why I believe Trump is going the Machiavellian route on this, the Dems just started the process early.

However, Trump saw the base go ballistic. Like, land on the moon-levels of ballistic. That's why he addressed it on Twitter so early. Ironically, that reaction gives Trump a huge amount of Power in the situation. He can drive Ryan & McConnell into a Kill Zone on the topic, which is to Trump's advantage.

Because, well, ask yourself, why would Trump push something that'll fracture his base? Why would Trump push something that would cause such a reaction that the Congressional Switchboard was lit up like Christmas?

When did Trump not have the Dark Triad traits?

https://darktriadman.com/2015/12/16/donald-trump-the-dark-triad-man/

Why would Trump possibly push something that would cause the breaking of his most intransigent opposition in Washington? How do you thread a needle of keeping the Middle and the Base on an intentional trap like DACA? You play the GOPe in a purely Machiavellian fashion and make sure you look like the caring Man that has to uphold the Law.

This actually isn't that high-level of strategy. It's just the most logical read for something that doesn't help the MAGA project go forward. If it doesn't fit the first-order strategic objectives, then look to 2nd & 3rd. It'll be there.

They may or may not have murdered children in Syria as a PsyOp to get Trump to send troops into Syria. What did he do? Made a show, sent some Tomahawks and told the NeoCons to piss off, while moving assets all to deal with North Korea. Everything about the Man is genuine & misdirection at the same time. It's not just some easy nut to crack.

Blogger Lazarus September 17, 2017 9:56 AM  

imMigration is war. In war, using human shields is a war crime.

Anonymous Lara Mycroft September 17, 2017 9:58 AM  

@Simplytimothy: ... process, not goals, as Adams writes ...

Can we please stop this Scott Adams bootlicking? Perhaps you're being persuaded (get it?) that well-established ideas are his own original thoughts.

People have been talking about "process" since long before Adams was born. Need proof? Read just about any Eastern philosophy.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 17, 2017 10:09 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:The strong Christian man should do what is right

Also, you can deport people with Christian charity. Heck, you can execute people with Christian charity. Once you've established that they have to go back, then you can afford to talk about how to do it charitably. If you get things out of order, putting concerns about charitability ahead of doing what's right, you'll never get there.


Good stuff here.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 17, 2017 10:13 AM  

I think there are (at least) two stumbling blocks with respect to the charity idea:

1. Hierarchy of responsibilities. It's not charity to cuck, so don't give your children's food to dogs.
2. Charity is the opposite of nice by definition, and it's not supposed to feel good. If charity doesn't suck, you're doing it wrong.

Anonymous FP September 17, 2017 10:16 AM  

So doomsayers... where's the beef? Where is the passed DACA law, ready to be signed by traitor Trump?

Anonymous johnc September 17, 2017 10:17 AM  

After the Syrian strikes I said it was important for Trump's supporters to raise hell whenever necessary to make our voices heard. If we just sit back and ascribe everything to 4D chess, we're going to get steamrolled by the establishment.

Raising hell is the only way we have influence on the president right now.

Look how quickly Trump ran to the microphones to "clarify" this DACA deal after his supporters flipped out.

It's not fun to do and it looks horrible, but screaming bloody murder is the only thing we can do right now. His ego is important to him and that's where we have to punch if we want to be heard.

You can forget about him being /ourguy/ and sitting back, trusting his instincts and watching the show. The enemy is working overtime to pull him to their side; we can't afford to relax. It's all about using as much leverage on him as we have to force him to complete as many of his campaign points as possible.

So far Cernovich has had more accurate analysis of this administration than Scott Adams.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 17, 2017 10:22 AM  

SirGroggy wrote:It's not charity to invite strangers into your neighbor's house.

They are people who are given democratic power to govern, in the interests of the country they govern.

CHARITY is not part of the deal. It does not state in the constitution that the President and the executive branch is to be in charge of charitable works and compassionate activities.

Trump was made Commander in Chief. This is not a CHARITY.


I'm speaking in a more general sense and you're getting caught up in modern ideas. Is it compassionate to give money to an alcoholic?

Blogger Koanic September 17, 2017 10:40 AM  

The charitable thing is to import as many savages as possible, because the only way to make America great again is what it made it great originally: the sadistic extermination services of savages targeting pacifist slaves.

Anonymous Lara Mycroft September 17, 2017 10:43 AM  

If we just sit back and ascribe everything to 4D chess, we're going to get steamrolled by the establishment.

Personally, I'm SICK of this 4D chess nonsense.

Let's assume Trump has the capacity to play 4D chess. Every time he does so, his supporters writhe in uncertainty, exasperation, worry, and panic ... over and over again. What a great way to treat your base!

Any sort of "maneuvering" runs the risk of going sideways, and great leaders know that. Trump should stay true to his word, rescind DACA, take the heat, and move on to the next MAGA moment. Straightforward and powerful. Simple as that.

Blogger Dave September 17, 2017 10:46 AM  

Once you've established that they have to go back, then you can afford to talk about how to do it charitably.

This is how Trump should frame the issue; announce that he is setting up the financial support and training programs to provide the Dreamers with the skills and resources to start businesses in their own nations. This way they become self sufficient and are valuable social and economical contributors to their own countries.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 17, 2017 10:48 AM  

@johnc

Actually, Trump told us to keep him to his promises. Which means, in the "peanut gallery", that's actually our role. He's /ourguy/, but he's not the Second Coming. So keep up the pressure when something isn't going the MAGA way and toss out praise & love when it does.

@Lara Mycroft

It works because Trump has limited allies that also hold the levers of power. The UniParty is the enemy and they're not going to give up the fight. So it's either use the base as a cudgel each step of the way, or start giving 1000s of our "elites" helicopter rides. There's not a lot of space between those options. Not at this point.

Anonymous BBGKB September 17, 2017 10:48 AM  

we’ve got to find a solution that comports with our Judeo-Christian charitable basis.

Judo-Christ toss them across the border

imMigration is war. In war, using human shields is a war crime.

Its still a hostage situation when people hold themselves hostage. Nurses that came out saying we shouldn't force drug testing on taxpayer paid prenatal care are giving in to Latrina pointing a gun to her belly saying "No drug tests or the crack baby gets it" or the PC version "pointing a gun at her head and her belly"

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 17, 2017 10:55 AM  

Aeoli Pera
Is it compassionate to give money to an alcoholic?

Christ saves, never enables. Enabling is not charity.
Boomertard churchians don't understand any of that, so we get insanity like DACA pushed as "Christian".

Anonymous Lara Mycroft September 17, 2017 10:55 AM  

So it's either use the base as a cudgel each step of the way, or start giving 1000s of our "elites" helicopter rides.

Sorry, but those aren't the only two options.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 11:01 AM  

Johnny: That's why the Dreamers will get the full boat, or nothing.

That's why the DACA illegals will get the full boat, or nothing.

FIFY

(Please stop using leftie lying jargon!)

Blogger DeploraBard September 17, 2017 11:01 AM  

Wasn't MLK a dreamer?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 17, 2017 11:01 AM  

Let's assume Trump has the capacity to play 4D chess. Every time he does so, his supporters writhe in uncertainty, exasperation, worry, and panic ... over and over again.

Do they have to?

Do you think if he does everything in a straightforward manner which makes it clear to the establishment that he's going to do everything he said he would do during the campaign (which includes "lock her up" and "drain the swamp," by the way) unless they stop him, they wouldn't find a way to do that?

I'd love to watch a full-steam-ahead approach, but I don't think it could work. It's called the establishment because it's well-established and powerful; he's not just up against a handful of dumbass politicians who are better talkers than thinkers. It turns out Executive Orders are pretty toothless when they're opposed by the courts and even the bureaucrats who supposedly work for the president. I think a certain amount of maneuvering and playing rope-a-dope with multiple parties may be necessary to accomplish his goals without triggering the entire establishment into a fully united stonewall (or worse) against him.

Also, it doesn't have to be "4D chess" for there to be uncertainty. Any amount of maneuvering and negotiation will give the defeatism shills material to work with. Might as well get used to it.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 11:04 AM  

L-Glass As a practical matter, giving them 2-3 years and a plane ticket home is an acceptable deal.

THIS is a deal I could accept (though, I'd prefer ONE year and gone)! I'd not even be averse to some training in how to APPLY the American system in their hom... oh wait -- they've already HAD that for a decade-plus! Let them go home and create their own version of the American system: NOT OUR PROBLEM!!

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise September 17, 2017 11:07 AM  

Please stop using leftie lying jargon!

Yes. A momentary lapse, and I submit my humble apology.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 17, 2017 11:09 AM  

BBGKB wrote:we’ve got to find a solution that comports with our Judeo-Christian charitable basis.

Judo-Christ toss them across the border


I'm stealing that.

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Aeoli Pera

Is it compassionate to give money to an alcoholic?

Christ saves, never enables. Enabling is not charity.

Boomertard churchians don't understand any of that, so we get insanity like DACA pushed as "Christian".


100%, A+ Pure Bavarian phenotype.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 11:11 AM  

Rocklea owner would defend the purchasing decision. ... the owner would admit they thought they payed too much.

This guy writes about the 'risk communication seesaw' (useful stuff!); it makes YUUUGE sense and is useful in biz.
http://www.psandman.com/col/westwing.htm
http://www.psandman.com/col/games.htm (from which, this:)

...
Seesaw is in some ways the paradigmatic game of risk communication, and I have written about it before [Av: first link, above]. This is the game to play when people are ambivalent – when they believe X and Y simultaneously, even though X and Y are not entirely compatible. Of course ambivalent people don’t usually have simultaneous, incompatible, firm beliefs in X and Y. More often they have knowledge or feelings that support both positions, and they don’t know which side to come down on.

Here’s the paradox of the seesaw: When people are ambivalent, they will tend to resolve their ambivalence by emphasizing the half of it that everyone else seems to be neglecting. If you say X, in other words, I’ll say Y. If you say Y, I’ll say X. (Those who have raised teenagers understand this phenomenon. Teenagers are ambivalent about almost everything.) Among the many seesaws in risk communication:
...
Worst case scenarios are horrific by definition; they are usually pretty unlikely as well. If you focus on how unlikely they are, your audience will probably focus on how horrific they are. If you focus on how horrific they are, your audience will probably focus on how unlikely they are.

In uncertain situations, there’s a lot you know and a lot you don’t. If you sound over-confident, your audience is likely to fasten on all the things you don’t know. If you keep insisting on all the uncertainties, people tend to think you really know what you’re doing.

When things go wrong, there are usually reasons to blame you and reason to forgive you. We blame you more when you forgive yourself too easily – or when you scapegoat somebody else. We forgive you more readily if you’re clearly blaming yourself.
...

Blogger Timmy3 September 17, 2017 11:16 AM  

The Republican Leaders in Congress see that they will get cover from Trump to advance amnesty. The public has to respond NO WAY before the next midterm elections before its too late. I suggest voting for Moore instead of Strange for Alabama Senate. Trump's pick can't win.

Blogger BasedBro911 September 17, 2017 11:16 AM  

I think everyone here agrees the best course of action is to build the wall and deport the illegals.

However, does anyone think it would be possible to 1.) Make them citizens and give them SSN's, which would allow them to be tracked 2.) Have them pay for their citizenship through automatic transfer of wages, $20K seems reasonable to me. If they can't earn the $20K through privatized labor allow them to join a new government program "Operation build the wall" to secure the border. 3.) Reallocate resources to ICE, IRS, FBI etc... from Social Services (Cut off free money) to track the repayments and default=deportation. 4.) All of the Companies who hire/already hired these "New Citizens" (Construction Companies) who pay these workers under the table would get audited/forced to comply by IRS (Cut off earned dirty money).

Would this course of action immediately cause riots or would it be viewed as a fair compromise?

Anonymous gxg September 17, 2017 11:37 AM  

Would this course of action immediately cause riots or would it be viewed as a fair compromise?

Only if they were spayed/neutered and could bring in no other family members.

Nah. On second thought, not even then.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 17, 2017 11:39 AM  

"...if Donald Trump is not prepared to see young men and women who have not committed any crime of their own doing be deported, he is not psychogically suited to be President."

And maybe he isn't suited to the office. Trump always struck me as being short on the hard-headed, cold-hearted relentlessness needed in a good President. There are times when the Commander in Chief must be utterly merciless. Trump appears to be a fan of Andrew Jackson, but Jackson was notorious for his willingness to kill - by his own hand. Meaner than a junkyard dog, he was.

And I don't see it in Trump.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 11:43 AM  

Lara Let's assume Trump has the capacity to play 4D chess. Every time he does so, his supporters writhe in uncertainty, exasperation, worry, and panic ... over and over again. What a great way to treat your base!

Yes, his base is suffering. (I'm working hard every day to NOT scream bloody murder; and, also,) I'm working to keep pressure on my state reps and President Trump (hoping/wishing some tweets and calls will be counted/get through!)

However, if your "doctor" is treating your massive, dangerous, murderous INFECTIONS and PARASITE INFESTATIONS, then he is absolutely going to have you "writh[ing] in uncertainty, exasperation, worry, and panic ... over and over again"! (And fear and pain; don't forget the fear and PAIN!)

We have 'hired' a doctor, the esteemed (and maligned) Dr. Trump. We have hired a doctor with better training, knowledge, and experience than ANY doctor in the entire D.C. "hospital" -- not like the ones there for decades who keep INFECTING us, and feeding our parasites, and dulling our immune systems (or sending them out of the country to deal with OTHER parasites not actually threatening us... well, until the 'staff' imported those parasites too!)

Our "doctor" is trying to heal/save us while having to subvert and mislead the other "doctors" AND the ((('medical board' of the parasites))) AND the rioting carriers of the infections and parasites. He may seem to be (or is actually) hurting us by making us swallow truly vile concoctions: 'six months DACA'; missiles to syria, when's the wall?, MSM leaks and lies, and the like. He is forced to use a lot of the staff of this pathological 'hospital': D.C./WH staff, swamp denizens, NeverTrumpers, GOPe, and the damnedDems, for the routine care of keeping us 'alive' while he does the painful stuff... but HE IS TREATING US!!

When you are deathly ill, you have to trust your doctor, even if he SEEMS to be making things worse! I said all through the campaign: "Trump is our last hope." Vox says: "this is not so, he is not"; so, as the 'broker' who best explains this amazing 'doctor,' I am trusting both and hoping for a miraculous healing! I'm also doing what I can to support "our health" while relying on the doctor for the heavy lifting!

HAVE you called your reps? Tweeted? Emailed? Snail mailed?

What are YOU doing to try to heal "us"? And will you start?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 17, 2017 11:44 AM  

I'll add that the illegals must ALL go back. We're not getting skilled workers through illegal immigration. Illegals are unskilled, and every illegal is either directly on welfare or has displaced an American...who had to apply for welfare. Which means that even employed illegals are indirectly on welfare. We can't afford it. And the Government needs to have a care for the citizens of the United States, instead of sacrificing them on the altar of virtue signalling.

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 11:49 AM  

Johnny Please stop using leftie lying jargon!
Yes. A momentary lapse, and I submit my humble apology.


Apologies not necessary; I still have to catch myself! And spread it! Keep people speaking the truth! We need (TRUMP needs!) all the help we can give!

Anonymous Otis the Sweaty September 17, 2017 11:57 AM  

Adam Gingrich, who has very good connections with the Trump admin, says that there is absolutely no deal on DACA. He says that Pelosi and Schumer probably did genuinely believe they had an agreement but everybody feels that way after they talk to Trump because Trump just tells people what they want to hear.

He says that what Trump is really doing is kicking it over to Congress. If McConnell and Ryan want to pass something, they can do so and Trump will sign it, but he isn’t going to push for it.

But that doesn’t explain Trump’s disgusting tweet in favor of the DACA filth nor the 2 instances of him saying on Thursday that he wanted amnesty for 6 million DACAites, plus unlimited chain migration, plus no wall.

However, I think there is a way to square Gingrich’s words with what we heard from Trump on Thursday:

1. Trump wanted amnesty for the DACA shits and asked Ryan and McConnell about it. They said they also supported it.
2. Trump wants “bipartisanship” (because he’s a retard) and thought this would be a great opportunity. So he invited criminals Pelosi and Schumer over for Chinese food.
3. Trump knew going into it that the Dems would never agree to a Wall, so he didn’t even bother with that. So he gave Chuck and Nancy amnesty for 6 million, plus unlimited chain migration in exchange border security. What Trump really wanted was making DACA permanent and legal; basically have things return to the way they were before DACA was rescinded. Since he wanted that anyway he felt like he was getting a legislative win and border security in exchange for nothing.
4. Because Trump is TOO FUCKING STUPID to understand even the most basic facts about immigration, he did not realize that he had actually agreed to give amnesty and citizenship to 6 million illegals plus unlimited chain migration. The instant he realized it he sent out the tweet saying no chain migration. That tweet was not in response to pressure from the base, which is what I think most people, myself included, thought, but rather was just because he realized how badly he had just been conned.
5. Trump’s flip flopping on the Wall part though, likely was in response to both pressure from the base and Congressional Repubs. Ryan and McConnell et al. probably told him they needed him to say he wanted the Wall as part of the bill so that they would have some leverage to wring concessions from the Dems in negotiations and Trump needed to make it clear to his base that he was still committed to the Wall.
6. Likewise, Trump’s giving up on interior enforcement was deliberate. He knew the Dems would never agree to it so he didn’t bother with it.
7. After realizing what a total mess the whole thing was, he just handed off the issue to Ryan and McConnell. It isn’t like he ever had any interest in negotiating policy details in the first place.

So yes, as I have been saying Trump did in fact make a deal with Pelosi and Schumer for amnesty/voting right for 6 million, plus unlimited chain migration, plus no interior enforcement, plus no wall. However, Trump is such a moron that what he thought agreed to was the status quo ante re DACA plus border security. Not a great deal, maybe even a bad deal, but not a horrible deal and certainly not a betrayal.

Will such an agreement make it through Congress? Yeah, probably. The sticking point will likely be e-verify. The Republicans will want that in the bill. The final agreement will likely be work permits, but not actual green cards for DACA slime, plus border security, plus e verify. The Dems basically will have to take it.

I do not support such a deal. It is a bad deal. Trump is making a mistake. But it is an understandable mistake that makes political sense and may yet work out for us.

Now it is just a matter of us pressuring Congress to hold the line. Call up your reps and tell them you don’t want amnesty. The more pressure we put on them, the less they will be able to give to the Dems and if we’re lucky that ends up being enough to blow up the entire thing.

Anonymous Mandos September 17, 2017 12:00 PM  

Just a quick incursion to support Looking Glass and Cail Corishev's positions. Sometimes I think people on our side lose sight of what we're up against and what they already know about the true nature of power, which means in concrete terms the President just can't EO his way to an American Renaissance while locking his opponents, as desirable as that would be.

I think it is abundantly clear by now that Trump has to build a solid case for anything meaningful he intends he accomplish, lest as people like Jim point out, one day some obscure judge issues a mandate to get him arrested on obscure grounds while the whole establishment and their media lapdogs cheer, leaving the American people with no other choice than open war or extinction. It is also abundantly clear that the establishment hates him to the core and simply does not expect him to cuck and surrender to their way of thinking. The only thing keeping them in check and preventing them from removing him under false pretenses is the threat of his own base going ballistic if their own case is insufficiently solid.

All of it necessarily involves a lot of deception to save the appearances, hence muh 4D chess. Now, not everything is, but if you're not in the inner circle it's practically a wild guess. And indeed Trump has surrounded himself with a fair amount of spooks, like Flynn. Here Gorka might as well be right and Trump does not intend to remove law-abiding children of illegals. Or, maybe Trump is testing the waters. Maybe he's building leverage. Maybe a little bit of all of that. I'm starting to get used to this uncertainty, and I would err on the side of caution in the judgement - without denying that on paper this does not look good.

The only thing I'm pretty certain of is that it's a long war, and at that level it's being fought by people who are better equipped than we are. While Gorka suggests that Trump might not entirely grasp the importance of DACA he also reaffirms very clearly that Trump knows what he has been elected for. We may not win all the battles we hope for but at least there is evidence that the war is on at the political level - unlike in Europe, for instance.

Blogger newbietrader September 17, 2017 12:08 PM  

so the supposed god emperor is just another amnesty loving cuck. - told you so

Blogger newbietrader September 17, 2017 12:08 PM  

can you say one term hairdo?

Anonymous Avalanche September 17, 2017 12:11 PM  

Not "BasedBro" 1.) Make them citizens and give them SSN's, which would allow them to be tracked
...
Would this course of action immediately cause riots or would it be viewed as a fair compromise?


So, if I steal from a bank, and hide the money long enough (would 10 years do?), I get to keep it? These people and their parents have been STEALING from the U.S. for more than a decade. You would reward them for that? You would give them the PRIZE that is citizenship in OUR country as a reward for stealing from us for more than 10 years!?

Go look up how many millions and millions of TAX DOLLARS have been spent on schooling, and translators, and jails, and "free" medical care, and MURDERED and RAPED AMERICANS for and by your "we should let them stay" criminal aliens! Try to count up how much good schooling was STOLEN from our American children so that NYC schools could provide "free" translators in (only?!) nine languages, in 1,700 public schools; except there were: (NYTimes;) "176 [languages] spoken by students in the city's public schools..."

How about the college seats that went to ILLEGALS that should have gone to Americans? How about the millions in scholarship money not available to American students? How about the jobs taken from Americans -- and the living wages they and their illegal parents (and their cousins and their siblings and their grandparents and their friends pretending to BE cousins and siblings and...) have driven down below a living wage for an American? Do you care about those Americans IN THE SLIGHTEST!?

I do not want to TRACK them -- I want them GONE! They have massively massively benefited from the money STOLEN from Americans by the crimes of their parents bringing them here, and THEIR OWN crimes by remaining here illegally! They've HAD the schooling and acculturation (well, let's pretend they actually tried to fit into our culture: the "baseball and apple pie" lie? Try "soccer and tacos"!) so, call it: they've had the "exposure to" the people and culture that MADE this nation the one their parents wanted to steal into.

Now it's time for them to TAKE that "free to them, vastly, hugely costly to us" basis for a helluva good life and GO HOME! Build their own version of "OUR nation in their own lands -- NOT continue to harm OUR people for their greedy benefit! They've parasitized us long enough!

Anonymous BBGKB September 17, 2017 12:21 PM  

1.) Make them citizens and give them SSN's, which would allow them to be tracked 2.) Have them pay for their citizenship through automatic transfer of wages, $20K seems reasonable to me."

Make it $600k to be safe see why_ https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/12250574 avg Hispanic costs taxpayers $588k, not enough whites to pay for them

Blogger Elder Son September 17, 2017 12:28 PM  

Trump can not possibly Drain The Swamp™. At best, it is being exposed through him. The question is, will The Swamp spit in your eye, and you call it dew? Or, will you spit in its eye, and kill it? Trump is your judgement, not your savior. It's not what Trump does that will judge you, but what you do. Only you, The People, can redeem Washington D.C. He is not your Cyrus. Rather than hanging onto Trump as some kind of principality, a god, hang on to the real Elohim Yahweh. He said to OCCUPY. Start occupying. Or, don't.

Blogger Sheila4g September 17, 2017 1:02 PM  

@ Avalanche: Epic comment. I endorse every word of it. I also give you full credit for all your tweets and/or emails to your reps. I'm serious - I think it's admirable - but I can no longer believe that anything I write or call in about makes a dime's worth of difference. I used to contact "my" reps (even though I never voted for any of them) and at best got boilerplate and a semi-courteous brush off. Calling loathsome Cornyn's office is something I will no longer do. Contact Cuban-Canadian Cruz as an elected "American" official goes against deeply-held principles.

If Trump backs off his appalling DACA deal due to his base's fury, I will reconsider, but unfortunately I expect him to follow his feelings of misplaced compassion here, helped along by Jarvanka and Schumer.

Anonymous map September 17, 2017 1:41 PM  

What I don't understand is why everyone talks as if being Mexican and living in Mexico is a punishment. Why does everyone assume that deporting these DACA kids back to their home countries is some terrible penalty your exacting on their lives. Millions of Mexicans manage to do just fine in Mexico. Why would sending illegals and their DACA kids be such a problem?

It is simply what the illegals did in reverse. If illegal alien parents can come to America, learn some English, find work, save money and generally live here, why can't these DACA kids go back to Mexico, learn Spanish, find work, save money and generally make a life for themselves over there? Millions of Mexicans do just that. And the DACA kids have family that can help them.

It should be especially easy for these DACA kids because I keep hearing how exceptional they are, meaning that it should be easier for them to do this. In fact, their superiority coupled with their American human capital would make them valuable powerhouses that Mexico would be glad to have. The DACA kids should actually be seen as a gift to Mexico.

Blogger BasedBro911 September 17, 2017 2:12 PM  

Avalanche-As stated in the first line of my post the best course of action is to build the wall and deport the illegals (Option 1), despite the inevitable bloodshed. But are you really confident this course of action will be taken? I'm skeptical that it will, so is there any other viable alternative or is your opinion that it's "All or nothing" and we are screwed if (Option 1) isn't implemented?

BBGKB-$600k seems like a better number. The collective IQ of the Dreamers is probably low enough they wouldn't realize signing such an agreement would effectively make them debt slaves for life. If you can get people with 120+ IQ's to pay $200k+ for Liberal Arts degrees, it shouldn't be too hard to get 90 IQ people to pay that figure for citizenship.

Blogger Elder Son September 17, 2017 2:25 PM  

$600k seems like a better number.

LMAO.

"With a great sum of money I bought this citizenship."

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 17, 2017 2:30 PM  

What makes anyone thing a centrist Democrat like Trump is at his core won't compromise on DACA?

Of course he will , the leopard doesn't change his spots. The only question is how much compromise and what he gets out of it.

I personally would be fine with 2 years legal residency, free language and culture courses for their home, $1000 US and a one way airline ticket home but its an extreme position.

Trump isn't even close to .alt right anyway . He is acting like a center right populist , a Southern Democrat circa 1992 but he is more city liberal than that and other than the gun control issue, he hasn't changed in any significant political sense since the 1980's or so when he first started dipping feet into the water

His job is to give legacy Americans more time to prepare, nothing more. It will come to guns. You have a few years, use it wisely get ready

Or if it doesn't and the US population is too cucked, kind of weak to fight get resilient and fine a way to make Novo Basil work for you and yours

Now it is possible I'm wrong and he sends most of the DACA kids home after a few years or something. Very good start.

The US won't be made sane and moral till people are forced to behave in such a fashion and it won't run until its demographics are fixed , 30-50 million need to go.

Trump isn't the guy for that. Hell we have people here names redacted bitching they can't find cheap labor for some project (and yes $15 an hour is cheap labor) so they end up hiring the usual suspects

Well if people here who are true believers can't live without for cheap labor I wouldn't expect nice guy Trump to.

Now to what map said back at 1:41, amusingly at least pre-quake the Mexican government wanted the DACA kids back on those grounds, We should take them up.

Blogger RobertT September 17, 2017 2:30 PM  

Big trainwreck coming. Wait until after Trump travels to Alabama to campaign for Luther Strange, stays in Paris climate accord, approves DACA, goes pink liberal, yadda, yadda. He is like the little train that got off the tracks, the hammer will drop. How about 15% approval rating?

Anonymous gxg September 17, 2017 2:46 PM  

Wait until after Trump travels to Alabama to campaign for Luther Strange

Trump can campaign all he wants, but there's no way that Luther Strange is going to win. Who knows? Maybe that's the reason Trump is endorsing him, because he knows Alabama won't elect a swamp creature to sit in Sessions' seat. Trump gets to say, "Hey, I tried," even as a Swampy Strange is flushed from D.C.

Funny though... We just received a pro-Strange flyer in the mail, criticizing Moore for saying he "didn't know" if a wall was necessary. The flyer practically screamed, "Moore doesn't support Trump!!!!" They're milking that Trump-endorsement for all it's worth, but it won't be enough.

For those unfamiliar with Roy Moore, he was Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court until he was removed for refusing to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama Judicial Building. He's a fighter and has already proven he won't cave to pressure.

Blogger DonReynolds September 17, 2017 3:00 PM  

Vox: "First...the Good Samaritan did not adopt and take into his house the children of the man he found beaten by the roadside."

There may have been good reasons why the man was beaten and left on the roadside. He may have been a child molester, or a thief, or a wife beater, or a journalist, or a Liberal SJW, or a monster. It may have actually been justice that prompted his beating.

I do not recall the individual being beaten being offered citizenship, immunity from the law, a voter registration card, welfare benefits at the expense of the community, or any kind of preferential treatment.

Vox: "Second, if Donald Trump is not prepared to see young men and women who have not committed any crime of their own doing be deported, he is not psycho(lo)gically suited to be President."

WE do not even have a convenient word to describe an individual who takes a sacred oath to do something they are pre-disposed to refuse. The Oath requires him to faithfully execute the laws of the United States, to the best of his ability. That last part seems to be the escape with recent presidents. You and I see ....to the best of his ability....meaning he will move heaven and earth to accomplish it. The Liberal viewpoint seems to be...."I am just not able to do that"....which renders the entire Oath meaningless.

What about that little matter of the President being the Commander in Chief of all the armed forces of the United States? If he is squeamish about anyone being inconvenienced or hurt, does that mean we do not have a military for four years?

I am reminded of a similarly ridiculous notion in the early use of military air power, particularly in bombing campaigns. WWII started with a British prohibition on bombing anything but military targets. The factories of Krup (for instance) that produced guns and cannon for the German war machine were off limits to British bombers because they were "private property".

Blogger PD Quig September 17, 2017 3:01 PM  

@Lara Mycroft

"Trump should stay true to his word, rescind DACA, take the heat, and move on to the next MAGA moment. Straightforward and powerful. Simple as that."

Yes. As Bannon said repeatedly in his 60 Minutes interview, Trump's path to success and re-election is to "punch out his campaign promises." Apparently, he feels that he must do everything in a roundabout way.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 17, 2017 3:04 PM  

RobertT wrote:
Big trainwreck coming. Wait until after Trump travels to Alabama to campaign for Luther Strange, stays in Paris climate accord, approves DACA, goes pink liberal, yadda, yadda. He is like the little train that got off the tracks, the hammer will drop. How about 15% approval rating?

Never misunderestimate the power of idiocracy. How many decades have (((fake news))) being lying about - basically everything?? How many decades have all these newspapers and other (((fake news))) outlets had 'one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel'? Yet they're still here - spewing lies day after day. How many times have cuck con-men like Miss Lindsay Graham and Juan 'Batshit' McStain been voted again over and over regardless of betrayal after betrayal in places characterized as 'the buckle of the bible belt' (probably really should change that to the 'cuckle of the cuckold belt')?? Now we even have Miss Lindsay's house negro, stating that Antifa and BLM were the good guys in Charlottesville. Won't stop all the moronic followers of Judeo-Christ from voting for him over on Miss Lindsay's Plantation, will it??

As for the Alzheimer's electorate in Sun City, the Gay Old Pedobears need to plasticize McStain's worm-eaten carcass one it expires and have the Disney imagineers animate it with the usual snarls, screeches, farts and bellows. Why the hell not? It would be cheaper than funding a shiny new pizza-robot to parrot the bullshit of the oligarchy. No discriminations against Zombie-Murikan War-Heros! Their D-jersey counterparts could do the same with the wrinkled carcass of Cruella Depends when the creature who presently occupies it finally departs and have a special zombie edition of the mostesss important erection evahhh! and even broadcast it over ESPN.

Blogger Seth Schueler September 17, 2017 3:16 PM  

Michael Savage has been promoting this idea regarding DACA. "Remove all of their perks and benefits but allow them to stay, but also deport all illegal immigrants currently incarcerated in jails/prisons throughout USA."

He cites the lack of public approval for deporting DACA's. Is it worth trying to blow all your political capitol for deporting all DACA's when the public is mainly against it?

Blogger Elder Son September 17, 2017 3:30 PM  

He cites the lack of public approval for deporting DACA's.

So, it's not Trump, it's the CAPITAL that made him president. The CAPITAL changed its mind.

Which, of course, isn't exactly out of the realm. Americans being fickle(d) creatures. And feelz. Fickled. I have no doubt that there are many Trumpers that went all puppy eye'ed when Trumjp said, "Really?" Oh swoon.

Blogger DonReynolds September 17, 2017 4:07 PM  

Seth Schueler wrote:Michael Savage has been promoting this idea regarding DACA. "Remove all of their perks and benefits but allow them to stay, but also deport all illegal immigrants currently incarcerated in jails/prisons throughout USA."

He cites the lack of public approval for deporting DACA's. Is it worth trying to blow all your political capitol for deporting all DACA's when the public is mainly against it?


Savage is correct about many things but not this time.

Illegal aliens in prisons and jails need to pay for their crimes and do their time.

For many years, the only time the Feds were interested in deporting anyone was to RESCUE criminal aliens from the wrath of the state courts for crimes committed against American citizens.

Deportation quickly becomes a Get Out Of Jail Free card for illegals. Once deported, they cross back over the border by this weekend with a new fake identity.

Re-entering the USA after being deported is a serious felony, punishable by 20 years in prison. Of course, Obama refused to enforce that law too, and that is why the police in Nashville are still arresting violent criminal aliens who have been deported 15 to 17 times ALREADY!

Enforce the damn laws and when they are sentenced to prison, make sure they stay there. Once they get out, they will victimize even more American citizens. We know this from experience.

Anonymous johnc September 17, 2017 4:08 PM  

Maybe that's the reason Trump is endorsing him, because he knows Alabama won't elect a swamp creature to sit in Sessions' seat. Trump gets to say, "Hey, I tried," even as a Swampy Strange is flushed from D.C.

Trump also endorsed Cuck Ryan. How did that work out for Trump? Has Cuck Ryan been more willing to work with him? Doesn't look like it. There are really no upsides here. The downside is that if Strange actually does win the primary, people are going to (rightly) blame Trump.

I think Trump means well but it's apparent that he needs very, very good advisers to keep him on the straight and narrow. And that's exactly why people like Cernovich have been lamenting the WH staffing decisions over the past several months. It's all Democrats, globalists, NeverTrumpers -- all people who were not wearing the red MAGA caps.

His Chief of Staff doesn't even want a wall. Who in the WH wants a wall? The only guy I see is Trump himself. So how much help is his WH staff going to be when it comes to filling his campaign promises? Does anybody really think that John Kelly is burning the midnight oil to get the right pieces in place to help Trump MAGA?

I know somebody will say, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." But that is just a cliche that is hardly affirmed anywhere in human history. By that logic, Trump should have hired Hillary's staff for his campaign team.

Anonymous gxg September 17, 2017 4:28 PM  

The downside is that if Strange actually does win the primary, people are going to (rightly) blame Trump.

If Strange wins, this is true. But he won't.

In Alabama, many people supported Trump because of his stance on illegal immigration. With his recent cucking (or whatever it is), they're not going to elect a swamp-monster just because Trump endorses him. Trump also received a lot of support from evangelicals. Evangelicals will go for Moore 100%.

The establishment is spending big money on Strange. Good. I'm glad to see them wasting it. And if Trump is embarrassed by backing the wrong candidate? Also good. Maybe it will be a wake-up call.

I agree 100% on the rest of what you say though. Trump needs to fire at least half of his cabinet and staff them with unapologetic deplorables. The fact that he isn't defies logic.

Blogger DonReynolds September 17, 2017 4:51 PM  

Career military (and naval) officers have seldom become presidents in American history. The only one in my lifetime was Eisenhower. There have been a few that actively tried to become president, even recently....Colin Powell, Wes Clark, even Allen West....but none even came close to the nomination, largely by their own statements.

The problem with career military, most especially the top brass, is they have spent their entire lives in a military environment and have little familiarity with domestic issues. They may have more interest and knowledge about foreign affairs, but that is seldom the focus of the American people. WE have domestic problems and WE need solutions.

That is why I was more than annoyed when President Trump decided to people his cabinet with an unusual number of retired military generals (and in critical roles). They are not always the best people to have around.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger September 17, 2017 6:10 PM  

To me, Trump's cancellation of the DACA presidential order seems like it could be part of a reasonably clever strategy to discredit both the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress, and highlight the need for electing Trump supporters.

He's canceled DACA, and thrown the ball to Congress. The chances of Congress passing any bill that resolves the matter are nil. QED: Congress as now constituted will be exposed as the helpless shambling zombie that it has been for some time.

Looking just at what Trump has done and not at what he said, it's a good move. And I think he's right to make sympathetic noises about the "poor dreamers"--it will intensify the Democrat's disappointment when Trump's grace period has expired, and the deportations begin. The blame will be on Congress where it belongs; Trump will just be reluctantly, sadly, enforcing the law.

Of course I could be wrong, and Trump could fail to act when the deadline expires. That would be absolutely deadly to his credibility and rob him of his following.

Anonymous Simplytimothy September 17, 2017 6:51 PM  

@avalanche

Excellent insight.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 17, 2017 7:20 PM  

Roy Moore consolidating support in Alabama Senate race. Moore is a Boomer but better him than Strange.

Even the TEA Party get it right.

“In the special election runoff for the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate pitting constitutional conservative Roy Moore against former D.C. lobbyist/current swamp denizen Luther Strange, there is no contest – Roy Moore wins, hands down,” Jenny Beth Martin, chairperson of the Tea Party Patriots Citizens Fund, said in a statement this week.

That meme has legs. Consider a bit of Awareness Raised.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club September 17, 2017 8:21 PM  

Would this course of action immediately cause riots or would it be viewed as a fair compromise?

Take the laws concerning the one matter that effectively defines a country, namely control of its borders, and eviscerate them because many are too slack-jawed and soft-boned to do what is necessary to enforce them? That's advocating national suicide. Might as well declare all seven billion Earthlings American citizens.

Blogger Elder Son September 17, 2017 9:21 PM  

Always remember that the elite, the globalists, see people as human capital, as resources, for profit. They are not to terribly concerned that your wages decrease, while their profits increase.

It is not a coincidence that it went from the "personnel office", to "human resources". They always spit in your face. Always.

Might as well declare all seven billion Earthlings Human Resources.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 17, 2017 11:15 PM  

Might as well declare all seven billion Earthlings Human Resources.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Georgia_Guidestones

Anonymous gxg September 18, 2017 12:27 AM  

Tweet from Reporter James Astill: "In Huntsville, AL, I just asked Roy Moore what his policy priorities in DC wd be. He said 'Get out of my face' and had me ejected from rally"

If I weren't supporting Moore already, this would seal the deal.

https://twitter.com/JamesMAstill/status/909120808177545216

Blogger Buybuydandavis September 18, 2017 1:19 AM  

VD: His base needs to be very clear about the fact that failing to keep his word on DACA is not acceptable.


It's not just that Trump will lose political support, it's that if he isn't willing to say "no" to "nice people" who want to live here, he will destroy the country.

At times he seemed to recognize this. He has recognized the threat to the Republican Party. The threat to labor of the conveyor belt of human widgets.

But besides the Republican Party, I haven't seen an indication that he recognizes the threat to our political culture, or how it is responsible for much of our prosperity, and the rest of the world does not share that culture.

Particularly Mexico.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club September 18, 2017 1:39 AM  

Might as well declare all seven billion Earthlings Human Resources.

But a lot of 'em wouldn't even make good fertilizer.

Blogger Seth Schueler September 18, 2017 1:54 AM  

Thoughts on automatic death penalty for illegal immigrants convicted of felonies?

Anonymous gxg September 18, 2017 2:50 AM  

Thoughts on automatic death penalty for illegal immigrants convicted of felonies?

It sounds good to me. Or, at the very least, we should charge their home countries for any incarceration costs. If the home countries won't pay, we can deduct it from foreign aid. This also goes for medical expenses, welfare, food stamps, etc.

Right now, third-world sh*tholes are sending us their criminals and leeches, so they don't have to pay for them. This would change rather quickly if the home countries incurred the actual costs of our American hospitality.

Who knows, Mexico might build a wall to keep them in.

Blogger Elder Son September 18, 2017 3:16 AM  

Re: Guidestones


Easier to manage. Money is just the means to lordship, or power over you. Besides, the devil wants you all dead anyhow. Just think of it as his remnant.

Anonymous DonReynolds September 18, 2017 3:33 AM  

Seth Schueler wrote:Thoughts on automatic death penalty for illegal immigrants convicted of felonies?

Very bad idea.
We already have a problem with prosecutors dropping the charges, or plead it down to a misdemeanor. Make it an automatic death penalty and the cops will stop arresting illegals altogether. Expect this to happen in sanctuary cities and states with increasing frequency. They do not want their pet illegals to be saddled with a criminal conviction because ICE may frog-walk them back to Mexico....so they drop the charges. This is particularly true of DACA recipients, who are treated like they have diplomatic immunity.

I saw the same thing about 20 years ago when the Feminists decided that domestic violence should be punished harshly, with a seven year automatic sentence for anyone accused!

What would have happened? Many thousands of women would have the living crap beat out of them and never, ever call the cops. Why? Because they cannot give up their meal ticket for seven years at a time. When their abuser is locked away for seven years, he is not working and making money, the bills are not getting paid, the kids will miss Daddy, and the Feminists are not going to fill in the gap or pay for the divorce. Pass a mandatory minimum sentence and the cops will seldom ever know that domestic violence is taking place because she cannot give up her (abusive) husband for seven years at a time.

Blogger William Meisheid September 18, 2017 10:25 AM  

As I peruse the changes going on in our country since Donald Trumps election, one thing has puzzled me and that is the continued growth of people championing obvious error, which continually leads to serious waves of societal anger. This article, though lengthy, puts that trend into perspective and explains, at least to my satisfaction, why this has taken over public discourse. I think you will also find the article exceptionally informative.

The Toxoplasma of Rage by Scott Alexander The article was written in 2014 and in many ways is prescient and illustrates a trend that has morphed into the du jour practice, especially for the left.

Anonymous Pitchfork Rebel September 18, 2017 11:04 AM  

@Jew613

So their parents committed a crime and the children should be rewarded? I guess if my father robs a bank I can keep the money since I did nothing wrong.

To extend your analogy a bit, it would be as if your father robbed a bank specifically on your behalf.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 18, 2017 3:48 PM  

Seth Schueler wrote:Thoughts on automatic death penalty for illegal immigrants convicted of felonies?
I think it's a great idea, but you have the problem of things being hung up in the courts for decades.

The only end-run around that which I can think of is to give the SCOTUS original jurisdiction over all appeals of such sentences.  They would have to deny certiorari for almost all of them, so the stay of execution would be for one term of the court at most.

You'd also need a way to prevent charges from being dropped or pled down.  Victims-rights laws are definitely in order; victims should be able to force specific charges to be filed.  Ending the impunity given to illegals and minorities would change things overnight.  They should also be able to force change of venue, e.g. Blacks should not be able to get all-Black juries for crimes against Whites just because they are in Detroit.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2017 3:50 PM  

To those who scoffed at the notion that President Trump could be following a strategy here: A gang of DACAs interrupted a Pelosi press conference, yelling about how they will not be used as a bargaining chip. They're doing a fine job of showing why America's answer to the president's question -- does anyone really think they should be deported -- must be yes. Whaddya know.

Anonymous Simplytimothy September 18, 2017 7:24 PM  

@Looking Glass, what Cail corishev said Here us a link
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/18/perfect-electoral-optics-nancy-pelosi-ambushed-by-angry-screaming-dreamers-security-escort-away-from-stage


Two other things that buttress your perspective

1. Trump's son tweeted a picture of a generator.in one of their properties. This is a non customer facing room. The machine and room are immaculately maintained. This speaks volumes. You see the sane approach in the f.p and econ work Trump is doing.

2. Trump was a t.v. producer for his own show. I think he understands the importance of mass influence better than I can begin to comprehend because I think it is highly improbable that a man who built a culture of fundamental excellence (see machinery example) would build a top rated show in a manner not based on fundamental principles (whatever they are in showbiz)


I think, as Cail has pointed out, Trump just pulled a Lao(?) Tzu
on Pelosi and Shumer.

He did the same thing to the GOP on the debt ceiling . Leaving them in a fight with their base while Trump observes

You military types will probably name the tactics before I get around to precisely describing them.

It has the element of "let's you and him fight" to it. And, I imagine a few of Trump's business competitors found themselves in Pelosi's position as they got out maneuvered by Trump.

We'll see


Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2017 7:55 PM  

Looking Glass was on it. I was a bit worried that Congress would call Trump's raise with some quick DACA/amnesty legislation, but I underestimated the stupidity and venality of the Left. (I keep doing that, darn it.) The DACAs who drove Pelosi from her own stage weren't just demanding amnesty for themselves; they were carrying signs saying "Fight for all 11 million" -- in Spanish and English both, of course.

They're tying their own fortunes to those of all illegals, and all Trump had to do was say some nice things about them. It's beautiful.

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