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Saturday, September 02, 2017

The Left begins to wake up

About the potential problems posted by the Big Social Media monopolies:
We’re basically too small for Google to care about. So I wouldn’t say we’ve had any bad experiences with Google in the sense of Google trying to injure us or use its power against us. What we’ve experienced is a little different. Google is so big and so powerful that even when it’s trying to do something good, it can be dangerous and frightening.

Here’s an example.

With the events of recent months and years, Google is apparently now trying to weed out publishers that are using its money streams and architecture to publish hate speech. Certainly you’d probably be unhappy to hear that Stormfront was funded by ads run through Google. I’m not saying that’s happening. I’m just giving you a sense of what they are apparently trying to combat. Over the last several months we’ve gotten a few notifications from Google telling us that certain pages of ours were penalized for ‘violations’ of their ban for hate speech. When we looked at the pages they were talking about they were articles about white supremacist incidents. Most were tied to Dylann Roof’s mass murder in Charleston.

Now in practice all this meant was that two or three old stories about Dylann Roof could no longer run ads purchased through Google. I’d say it’s unlikely that loss to TPM amounted to even a cent a month. Totally meaningless. But here’s the catch. The way these warnings work and the way these particular warnings were worded, you get penalized enough times and then you’re blacklisted.

Now, certainly you’re figuring we could contact someone at Google and explain that we’re not publishing hate speech and racist violence. We’re reporting on it. Not really. We tried that. We got back a message from our rep not really understanding the distinction and cheerily telling us to try to operate within the no hate speech rules. And how many warnings until we’re blacklisted? Who knows?

If we were cut off, would that be Adexchange (the ads) or DoubleClick for Publishers (the road) or both? Who knows?

If the first stopped we’d lose a big chunk of money that wouldn’t put us out of business but would likely force us to retrench. If we were kicked off the road more than half of our total revenue would disappear instantly and would stay disappeared until we found a new road – i.e., a new ad serving service or technology. At a minimum that would be a devastating blow that would require us to find a totally different ad serving system, make major technical changes to the site to accommodate the new system and likely not be able to make as much from ads ever again. That’s not including some unknown period of time – certainly weeks at least – in which we went with literally no ad revenue.

Needless to say, the impact of this would be cataclysmic and could easily drive us out of business.

Now it’s never happened. And this whole scenario stems from what is at least a well-intentioned effort not to subsidize hate speech and racist groups. Again, it hasn’t happened. So in some sense the cataclysmic scenario I’m describing is as much a product of my paranoia as something Google could or might do. But when an outside player has that much power, often acts arbitrarily (even when well-intentioned) and is almost impossible to communicate with, a significant amount of paranoia is healthy and inevitable.

I give this example only to illustrate the way that Google is so powerful and so all-encompassing that it can actually do great damage unintentionally.
It's interesting to see that the Left is beginning to get paranoid about Big Social Media, even though they're not being targeted by it. Yet.

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59 Comments:

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 02, 2017 9:31 AM  

Google rep: "Please to do the needful and kindly refrain frome hate speech."

Blogger Thucydides September 02, 2017 9:39 AM  

Reading deeper into the article it makes the scale and scope of the job of Alt Tech abundantly clear. We have a very long and difficult job ahead of us (especially the people who actually know how to code and create the alt tech platforms).

Blogger Skyler the Weird September 02, 2017 9:42 AM  

This sounds like an answer from some native Telugu speaker in customer service. The World not being as Flat as Tom Friedman imagined I am sure they do not have enough command of Hollywood English to know the difference between using and reporting on "Hate" Speech.

There is no such thing as Hate Speech. There is Free Speech and there is Censorship.

Anonymous johnc September 02, 2017 9:43 AM  

The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if advertisers abandon many of these online ad networks altogether.

Blogger Unknown September 02, 2017 9:47 AM  

Why anyone in corporate American would use gmail for official correspondence just boggles the mind. If you don't own the server your data is on, you don't control your data. Period. The server owner does, and you are at his beck and call.

As TPM found out for themselves.

Seems to me that Google essentially got rich capitalizing on other people's laziness, and wiz kid MBA's quest to cut costs.

Blogger Dave September 02, 2017 9:51 AM  

Well, if it's well-intentioned, then, who are we (even when well-intentioned) to judge?

Anonymous Looking Glass September 02, 2017 9:52 AM  

And, for one shining moment, the writer glimpsed into the horror they've worked hard to create:

"Again, it hasn’t happened. So in some sense the cataclysmic scenario I’m describing is as much a product of my paranoia as something Google could or might do. But when an outside player has that much power, often acts arbitrarily (even when well-intentioned) and is almost impossible to communicate with, a significant amount of paranoia is healthy and inevitable."

Josh is a decent writer but a pathetic thinker. He has no ability to grasp onto that one bit of Insight he just came to. It'll go away the instant he has to be a Progressive again.

Blogger bw September 02, 2017 10:02 AM  

at least a well-intentioned effort not to subsidize hate speech and racist groups

See: "rules 1-3"

Blogger pyrrhus September 02, 2017 10:07 AM  

So well intentioned censorship is OK, even if the censoring party doesn't understand English.....How is this dork on "well intentioned" Gulags?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 02, 2017 10:08 AM  

I won't retell the story I've told here before, but this was a problem even before SJWs took over. If you're CBS and you notice your site has dropped off the front page results at Google or your ad units stopped paying, you can pick up the phone and get someone to deal with it. If you're Jim of jimsfishinglures.com, you can't. You go through their automated problem report system, and if you get a response at all, it's boilerplate with links to their documentation about making your pages search engine friendly. If Jim can't figure out how to fix whatever he may not even know he's done, his site just dies.

It's intended to be unhelpful in terms of figuring out where your site has crossed one of their lines. As a publisher, you are the product, not the customer, so they have no interest in helping you tweak things to skirt their algorithmic rules -- which is what they assume you're doing if you're running afoul of them. They want product that doesn't cause them any trouble.

That was all true when it was just about technical stuff like keyword spamming. Now it's also the perfect system for SJWs to use to smack down any sites they don't like without having to explain why. But they're overdoing it and being obvious, so publishers are starting to talk to each other and realize, "Wait, this isn't just my site that's gotten sideways of the algorithm somehow," which is what they were encouraged to think ten years ago.

Blogger tuberman September 02, 2017 10:12 AM  

Power is power, soon the Left will have to adhere to particular brands of Globalist/Leftism. When on Google one will have to "read between the lines" to follow Google's particular narrative.

Blogger Lemur September 02, 2017 10:19 AM  

When we control it, they will be.

Blogger Lemur September 02, 2017 10:21 AM  

List of Alt-Tech so far:

Infogalactic
BitChute
Gab
kek.gg (image hosting)

I've also been experimenting with the Brave browser in a bid to get away from Chrome. Its very fast, and emphasizes anonymity.

Blogger Cecil Henry September 02, 2017 10:25 AM  

Oh.......

Of course to this leftist... if google damages free speech intentionally--- by harming the bad guys.... that still okay.

Blogger Lazarus September 02, 2017 10:39 AM  

Skyler the Weird wrote:There is no such thing as Hate Speech. There is Free Speech and there is Censorship.

Speaking of which:
The Fragile Generation

http://www.spiked-online.com/spiked-review/article/the-fragile-generation#.WarAKVUsXOD


‘Kids need conflict, insult, exclusion – they need to experience these things thousands of times when they’re young in order to develop into psychologically mature adult’

Anonymous Crew September 02, 2017 10:40 AM  

If someone were to go around reporting hate speech to Goolag on various leftist sites that have Golag ads ...

Blogger tz September 02, 2017 10:45 AM  

March, 2015 was the original hit to mint press news and anti-war.com. At the time I noted it would get worse.

Blogger Elocutioner September 02, 2017 10:48 AM  

@Crew Yes, that would be a very bad thing to do, something only deplorable blackpillers would do. I disavow. Please, nobody tell /pol/.

OpenID markstoval September 02, 2017 10:53 AM  

" ... But when an outside player has that much power, often acts arbitrarily (even when well-intentioned) and is almost impossible to communicate with, a significant amount of paranoia is healthy and inevitable."

There is a term that I like, "ironic evil", which is defined as the evil good men do even when they are trying to do good. This report sees that Google has the power to do "ironic evil" (from their point of view of course).

This is the reason that all intelligent men have been afraid of anyone or any group gaining too much power. It is one of the reasons that Rothbard believed that all governments were the enemy. Some are better than others of course, but all tend toward tyranny as they gain power over their unfortunate subjects.

Most of the troubles that people were talking about in the thread on jobs and the economy have their roots in government actions. Racial quotas (AA) being a prime example, but government interference in general with the economy is a big part of our woes.

We do not have a laissez-faire free-market economy in this country. We were close to that in the early years but never really had a laissez-faire free-market economy. What we really have is the economic system championed by Mussolini. (I will not say the word as Google might send me to GITMO for writing it)

There is nothing the government can do without making things worse.

Blogger tz September 02, 2017 10:54 AM  

Gawker covered the anti-war.com but it hasn't changed.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 02, 2017 10:58 AM  

@18 Elocutioner

The Goo Gone project has actually shown that one of the large DDoS bot nets could actually destroy Google by mass triggering all of their AdWords. It would be the most hilarious result of Goolag got completely screwed over by a botnet.

I'm reminded of a discussion about the Peloponnesian War breaking out and no one in Greece knowing how to build seige engines because they'd never needed to. When they did? They got pretty good at it. Big Tech's biggest mistake is put a target on their backs for non-monetary gain. They're going to regret that one.

Blogger Elocutioner September 02, 2017 11:13 AM  

@21 Looking Glass - Interesting. Has anyone done an analysis on exactly how fragile Google is? I think I saw that AdNauseam got dropped from the Play store but /pol/ seemed to think it was having a major effect and was partly behind their recent AdSense refunds.

BigTech has gotten rich off of exploiting and selling consumer trust. Until now the Internet has found fixes and routed around problems from bad actors. What if the 'good' actors - the intended consumer - became adversarial en masse? That's the question that AdNauseam probed. Where else is Google vulnerable to attack because the data from their 'free' customers was trusted? Someone suggested uploading massive random (non-compressible) files to their free online storage services.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 02, 2017 11:23 AM  

There is no such thing as Hate Speech.

Bears repeating. And again: Bears repeating.

The idea that History -- and therefore thought -- has an 'end' is something that all thinkers must at least attempt to exorcise from themselves.

If only as a thought experiment...

Anonymous Jack September 02, 2017 11:24 AM  

Off topic but Wikimedia Commons just launched a public photo competition called "Wiki Loves Monuments" for the month of September. Anyone got any ideas for how to hijack this, given all the fuss about Confederate monuments of late? Do they love ALL monuments?

http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org/

Blogger J Van Stry September 02, 2017 11:39 AM  

Hey, if the alt-right is SO BAD, why is Google Ads still tracking us and trying to sell to us?
Shouldn't Google Ads simply refuse to serve us adverts??

They're being rather hypocritical, if I do say so myself.

Blogger Quadko September 02, 2017 11:41 AM  

So Google's "anti-hate speech" rules are applied to protect "hate speech" groups from negative reporting? That's classic.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise September 02, 2017 11:47 AM  

Google will fall. The question is: How fast?

The best and the brightest two percent have already left Google, or are in the process of doing so. The company is past the vertex of its intellectual bell curve, and it's all downhill from here.

No doubt the "smart money" on the Left is beginning to recognize this.

Anonymous Eduardo the Magnificent September 02, 2017 12:09 PM  

Sounds like he's cool with evil, as long as evil has his back. Problem with evil is, it never has anyone's back.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 02, 2017 12:09 PM  

Google will fall? More like it's already falling and the only question is how exactly is it going to break when it hits the ground (reality).

Anonymous BBGKB September 02, 2017 12:13 PM  

It's interesting to see that the Left is beginning to get paranoid about Big Social Media, even though they're not being targeted by it. Yet.

They want reassurances that the crocodile will eat them last!

OT China shows us what to do with mosques https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017/08/18/when-power-wants-something/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 02, 2017 12:24 PM  

So if we use SJW phrases with a twist will they make it into the "hate algo?"

Blogger Doom September 02, 2017 12:31 PM  

They do that from time to time. As soon as they realize how big it is outside their warren, they sprint back down and go.... Good riddance. If you think moderates are horrid allies, wait until you try to work with these pussified fucks!

Anonymous bolg September 02, 2017 12:31 PM  

@1

"...Google rep: "Please to do the needful and kindly refrain frome hate speech."..."

lol. outsourcing censorship to india is a logical next step, no?

Anonymous bolg September 02, 2017 12:48 PM  

@31

that's if there's any algorithm in place. most probably it's roomfuls of sweaty pakis, not quite grasping the language, clicking away. the 'ban' button is probably colored.

Anonymous BBGKB September 02, 2017 12:51 PM  

Winning news.

L’Oréal Paris has fired its first trany niggerette model to join the brand just days after announcing the partnership because of antiwhite postings

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-4844718/LOreal-sacks-transgender-model-comments-white-people.html

Blogger GAHCindy September 02, 2017 1:11 PM  

There's a lot I don't know, so I hope people who know stuff will explain it to me, but I wonder why nobody ever suggests Opera as an alternative to chrome. Fast loading, ad blocking, built in vpn, and they were (i think) pioneers of add-on customization. I used it for years, then they had a couple of crappy versions that annoyed me. Since chrome and Firefox lost me, and Brave is buggy as poo, I've gone back to opera, and whatever I didn't like last time they seem to have fixed. I'm quite happy with it. I don't like the mobile version much, though. Anyhow, that's another option, if Brave is causing you problems. I wish Brave all the best, but it's just not there yet.

Anonymous Jimmy james September 02, 2017 1:12 PM  

@3 You're right, of course, but that argument may be lost now, what with both the msm and judges (see christopher cantwell) accepting "hate speech" as something real, and worthy of depriving you of your livelihood and freedom.

Diversity is hate speech against whites. Equality is hate speech against the capable and reality. Pro-Immigration is hate speech against America. Atheism is hate speech against Christianity.

Anonymous Just another commenter September 02, 2017 1:16 PM  

@24 - Find all the monuments that the former Communist countries, ISIS, and anti-confederates tore down and report them as a group.

@27 - Can confirm, sort of. An acquaintance of mine was at a track in TX last week, spent time talking to a couple there who were recent Gulag retirees. Saw the writing on the wall and walked away from HUGE paychecks.

@29 - Agree. But falling giants can cause a lot of damage if they land on you.

Blogger Doom September 02, 2017 1:16 PM  

Thank you, Cindy. If I can't get Iron going on my next machine, I'll definitely give them a whirl.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise September 02, 2017 1:19 PM  

@35 BBGKB: L’Oréal Paris has fired its first trany niggerette model ...

Both parties came off looking like idiots. And always a good feeling when virtue signaling backfires!

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 02, 2017 1:44 PM  

@36 GAHCindy
There's a lot I don't know, so I hope people who know stuff will explain it to me, but I wonder why nobody ever suggests Opera as an alternative to chrome.

Opera was sold to China last year. Browsers can and do "phone home", one reason I've never even tried Chrome.

Many of the same people who worked on Opera have created a newer better browser called Vivaldi. It has some flaws but it is based out of Scandanavia.

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 02, 2017 1:59 PM  

johnc wrote:The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if advertisers abandon many of these online ad networks altogether.



My understanding is that while Facebook and Google still have the bulk of online revenue, the entire market is suffering from decline . I'm told that the ad hucksters are pushing TV as the new hotness which is insane as outside a few sectors, its mostly aging out

YouTube revenue is awful right now compared to what Google expects

MY personal opinion is a lot of Google's actions are driven by the idea that if they can just make into as some wag here put "Home and Garden Chanel" that the ad revenue will return

If it shrinks too much, they have massive troubles and one thing consistent in this market is that not matter how big you are, you can still go insolvent C.F Sony

Personally I think its just cargo cult thinking myself but its early yet so who knows

Anonymous Tipsy September 02, 2017 2:53 PM  

Skyler the Weird wrote:There is no such thing as Hate Speech.

Actually, there is. An example: a malicious politically motivated lie that leads to an innocent person's death.

The point of free speech is not you have a God given right to say whatever you want, but rather that powerful institutions, like corporations and especially government, are entirely conflicted and therefore completely incompetent in policing speech. They should never, ever, be afforded the power do so.

That's the problem with "Hate Speech" laws: they are really designed to eliminate dissent, not to eliminate hateful speech as they are purported to do.

This fits a pattern with the left: cynically propose a law or policy that sounds plausibly salutary, but whose ulterior motive is to punish political enemies or for self-empowerment, fool midwits into supporting it, and then use the law or policy per the obfuscated political objective all the while denying the actual self-serving intent. (Political Philosopher Eric Voegelin called this "The Swindle")

Anonymous Clouseau September 02, 2017 3:32 PM  

"... Certainly you’d probably..."

As opposed to "probably you'd probably."

"... well-intentioned effort..."

No, it's not. It's an entirely malevolent effort by goblins who do not understand or agree to the cultural values expressed by the First Amendment because they are cultural aliens (regardless of their personal background, origin, etc.).

Blogger Serge_Tomiko September 02, 2017 4:08 PM  

"This is the reason that all intelligent men have been afraid of anyone or any group gaining too much power. It is one of the reasons that Rothbard believed that all governments were the enemy. Some are better than others of course, but all tend toward tyranny as they gain power over their unfortunate subjects. "

How can any sane person believe this?

Blogger DonReynolds September 02, 2017 4:23 PM  

I tell the Leftist Liberals that the sword fits your neck as easily as it does mine. If you permit the use of swords on people you dislike, sooner or later that same sword will fall on your own neck.

The key here is to deny the use of swords on ANY necks. Not because everyone is your friend and ally but because everyone is NOT your friend and ally. Atrocities lead to atrocities. Excesses lead to excesses. Revenge begats more revenge. Start down that road and there is no end, until one side or the other is completely gone.

The slight tingling sensation Leftist Liberals get in their gonads from watching All-Powerful Authority smite their ideological enemies will be short lived and only slight compensation for the complete loss of their own Freedom, when the same cannons are turned around on them.

Leftist Liberals.....when I am sent off to the FEMA camp, I will not be taking your place....I will just be reserving you a spot.

Blogger DonReynolds September 02, 2017 4:47 PM  

I am certain I am not the only person who is amazed that the Tech Giants would get so reactionary to political messages (which are supposedly protected speech) that do not coincide with the Leftist Liberal Agenda....while at the same time having virtually no problem with the fact that so much of the internet traffic is devoted to pornography of every possible combination, way, shape and form.

Somehow in my own lifetime, public sex has gradually managed to shed the stigma of any sort of taboo or limitation, while political speech (not consistent with the Leftist Liberal Agenda) has become the new taboo.

Who would have believed that the Reconciliation between the Union and Confederate portions of this country, which lasted a century, could be so quickly discarded to appease the Leftist Radicals? Has there ever been a nation survive by demonizing and condemning and vilifying a third of their own countrymen?

Blogger Lovekraft September 02, 2017 5:00 PM  

One way to get around the banning, censorship etc is to produce something that takes a positive light, but still remains true to the alt-right message.

For example, review and display notable works of art, architecture whatever. This exists in itself as a contrast to the drudgery produced by the State's sucklings.

On the other hand, people want salacious, confrontation. So for now, to provide this requires delicate presentation. One can tear strips off BLM, for example, by showing intact Black families.

Blogger Lance E September 02, 2017 5:17 PM  

Lefties used to be anti-war, anti-imperialism, anti-corporate, anti-globalization, anti-Wall-Street, and pro-labor. They're going to be very disappointed when they find out that pozzed monopolies were merely using them as pawns and never cared about them either as individuals or as a political movement.

At least, the smarter ones will. The rest will grow increasingly more paranoid and unstable until they end up either feral or suicidal.

Anonymous Killua September 02, 2017 6:07 PM  

By the kind of things some of them say, it appears they learned nothing from GamerGate.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 02, 2017 7:33 PM  

Good.  They'll make easier targets the second time around.

Blogger Cloudbuster September 02, 2017 8:30 PM  

Certainly you’d probably be unhappy to hear that Stormfront was funded by ads run through Google.

Frickin' leftists. Why would I be unhappy about that, no matter my opinion of Stormfront? Lefists are always afraid someone, somewhere is saying something they don't like.

Blogger Cloudbuster September 02, 2017 8:36 PM  

Serge_Tomiko wrote:"This is the reason that all intelligent men have been afraid of anyone or any group gaining too much power. It is one of the reasons that Rothbard believed that all governments were the enemy. Some are better than others of course, but all tend toward tyranny as they gain power over their unfortunate subjects. "

How can any sane person believe this?


Unless I'm misunderstanding you, how can any sane person not believe that?

Blogger James Dixon September 02, 2017 9:32 PM  

> Anyone got any ideas for how to hijack this, given all the fuss about Confederate monuments of late?

Start with Stone Mountain: https://www.google.com/search?q=stone+mountain+images

> Problem with evil is, it never has anyone's back.

Well, sometimes it want to put the knife there, so...

> I've gone back to opera...

If you liked Opera, try Vivaldi.

> How can any sane person believe this?

Well, even most poorly educated US pubic school students have a better grasp of history than you do, Serge.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey September 03, 2017 1:24 AM  

@11 tuberman
"When on Google one will have to "read between the lines" to follow Google's particular narrative."

This is the very similar to the preferred mode of censorship under Communism, of course. They don't tell you exactly what the rules are, or where the lines are; you're supposed to self-censor, and stay inside them somehow. You'll know if you've crossed the line when the knock comes at your door.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 03, 2017 1:51 AM  

Serge_Tomiko wrote:How can any sane person believe this?
How can any rational person not observe it, daily?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 03, 2017 4:11 AM  

Approaching the great huwhite list. Little people need not apply.

Anonymous VFM0091 September 04, 2017 11:22 AM  

DonReynolds wrote:I am certain I am not the only person who is amazed that the Tech Giants would get so reactionary to political messages....while at the same time having virtually no problem with the fact that so much of the internet traffic is devoted to pornography of every possible combination, way, shape and form.

See this picture folks? I want you to drill that image in your heads. Every single one of you. Somehow most of you memory holed this meeting along with the back ground regarding Eric Schmidt himself. Remember this is the man who ran Novell Corp into the ground on his tenure! So if you read the decline portion of this article : https://infogalactic.com/info/Novell, just replace channel with the DNC/Clinton Foundation and you'd get a copy of his behaviour when he was running Novell. He oversold the products and forgot about the revenues and screwed the customers needs and went about using litigation to fuck over the resellers. And he's going down the exact same path as Novell but this time fucking over the userbase so hard and making their products inefficient (due to various diversity hires who are mere imposters with their talents), on a global scale that will make the collapse of Enron and WorldCom look miniscule in proportion.

And the funny thing is if the various VFM's and anons have read "When Google met Wikileaks" which is Julien Assange being interviewed by Eric Schmidt, you can see what he was trying to do by cosying to the Clintons and the Obama/DNC coalition. It was to make a hedge bet to shift Google away from being a smart efficient customer based company into the New Info Ma Bell worldwide. Or as they like to call it in telecom terms, building an "Enterprise" business from a consumer base (which is just code word for make the tax payers pay for our business).

Except there was one fucking hitch, Trump won, and the millions Eric hedged on his bet imploded before his very eyes. Which is also why you've noticed that the vast majority of the experimental stuff Google was pushing out (self driving cars/google glass/areal networks for wireless/ etc.) mysteriously stopped being advertised. And you're seeing that they're trying to stop the bleeding of their various businesses as just like WorldCom and Enron, from the fake ad stacks to the bottling of their platforms towards Hollyweird* (which is not the reason folks went to Youtube in the first place), and their exposure that the company is loaded from top to bottom now with imposters to get tax credits from the state of California, everything has been exposed and the customer is now always and forever wrong if you use their services.

At least Ma Bell back in the day was an annoying monopoly but it at least went out of the way to get and retain expertise and we actually got the Bell Labs outta the deal.**

*That misspelling is very much in intentional and should be the term all VFM's use in the future for Hollywood, call it Hollyweird. if you read "The Hollywood Economist 2.0" by Edward Jay Epstein your realize that it's current state is a giant fucking tax subsidized sinkhole that needs a permanent plug and de-verticalization not unlike the 1940's trust busting acts.

**In 90's and early 00's if you were a former worker of AT&T prior to the breakup in the 80's folks knew the quality and cut of your jib talent wise in telecom. However anybody still sitting in the Goolag right now (before it gets looted like Nortel in 2001) and living in the most expensive real estate in the world (San Freakcisco), they'll be lucky if anybody will trust a diversity hire from there to flip burgers from that joint.

Blogger Feather Blade September 05, 2017 12:58 PM  

Serge_Tomiko wrote:"This is the reason that all intelligent men have been afraid of anyone or any group gaining too much power. It is one of the reasons that Rothbard believed that all governments were the enemy. Some are better than others of course, but all tend toward tyranny as they gain power over their unfortunate subjects. "

How can any sane person believe this?


...by looking at the history of any government, anywhere in the world?

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