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Saturday, September 30, 2017

The morality of immigration

Correcting the common confusion of Churchian dogma with actual Christian philosophy:
In looking at the debate over immigration, it is almost automatically assumed that the Church’s position is one of unconditional charity toward those who enter the nation, legally or illegally.

However, is this the case? What does the Bible say about immigration? What do Church doctors and theologians say? Above all, what does the greatest of doctors, Saint Thomas Aquinas, say about immigration? Does his opinion offer some insights to the burning issues now shaking the nation and blurring the national borders?

Immigration is a modern problem and so some might think that the medieval Saint Thomas would have no opinion about the problem. And yet, he does. One has only to look in his masterpiece, the Summa Theologica, in the first part of the second part, question 105, article 3 (I-II, Q. 105, Art. 3). There one finds his analysis based on biblical insights that can add to the national debate. They are entirely applicable to the present.

Saint Thomas: “Man’s relations with foreigners are twofold: peaceful, and hostile: and in directing both kinds of relation the Law contained suitable precepts.”

Commentary: In making this affirmation, Saint Thomas affirms that not all immigrants are equal. Every nation has the right to decide which immigrants are beneficial, that is, “peaceful,” to the common good. As a matter of self-defense, the State can reject those criminal elements, traitors, enemies and others who it deems harmful or “hostile” to its citizens.

The second thing he affirms is that the manner of dealing with immigration is determined by law in the cases of both beneficial and “hostile” immigration. The State has the right and duty to apply its law.

Saint Thomas: “For the Jews were offered three opportunities of peaceful relations with foreigners. First, when foreigners passed through their land as travelers. Secondly, when they came to dwell in their land as newcomers. And in both these respects the Law made kind provision in its precepts: for it is written (Exodus 22:21): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [advenam]’; and again (Exodus 22:9): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [peregrino].’”

Commentary: Here Saint Thomas acknowledges the fact that others will want to come to visit or even stay in the land for some time. Such foreigners deserved to be treated with charity, respect and courtesy, which is due to any human of good will. In these cases, the law can and should protect foreigners from being badly treated or molested.

Saint Thomas: “Thirdly, when any foreigners wished to be admitted entirely to their fellowship and mode of worship. With regard to these a certain order was observed. For they were not at once admitted to citizenship: just as it was law with some nations that no one was deemed a citizen except after two or three generations, as the Philosopher says (Polit. iii, 1).”

Commentary: Saint Thomas recognizes that there will be those who will want to stay and become citizens of the lands they visit. However, he sets as the first condition for acceptance a desire to integrate fully into what would today be considered the culture and life of the nation.

A second condition is that the granting of citizenship would not be immediate. The integration process takes time. People need to adapt themselves to the nation. He quotes the philosopher Aristotle as saying this process was once deemed to take two or three generations. Saint Thomas himself does not give a time frame for this integration, but he does admit that it can take a long time.
It takes at least four generations, and even that is not enough when people have a strong tribal identity that supersedes their residence du jour. Regardless, the reasoning of Thomas Aquinas is a powerful rebuke to the Churchians appealing to false teachings in the name of Christ.

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79 Comments:

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 30, 2017 11:02 AM  

You'd almost think the Jews don't take Christ at his word.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 30, 2017 11:03 AM  

And I'll say it again because it bears repeating: It's not charity to invite strangers into your neighbor's home.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 30, 2017 11:16 AM  

And genuine Christians who have simply been swept up in the broader trend may be willing to listen to Aquinas, even if Fake Christians aren't.

Blogger LES September 30, 2017 11:18 AM  

The invaders from the south (US and Europe) are not immigrants but colonists.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 30, 2017 11:19 AM  

I wonder sometimes if any of the Churchians have ever even skimmed the Old Testament. It doesn't take any in depth study to find instances of the Jews being commanded to separate from other nations.

Nehemiah 13:23

Blogger ZhukovG September 30, 2017 11:22 AM  

Persons who enter a country illegally are invaders and should be classified as enemy combatants.

Blogger ZhukovG September 30, 2017 11:25 AM  

@Ron Winkleheimer: When a Churchian uses scripture at all, it is merely a proof text tool to support whatever worldly whim has tickled his fancy.

Blogger Resident Moron™ September 30, 2017 11:30 AM  

Unlawful enemy combatants, since they wear no uniforms and follow no laws of war.

In other words, drone fodder.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 30, 2017 11:36 AM  

@7 ZhukovG

Yup. The Bible exists to rationalize the desires. A complete inversion of the point of the Word.

Blogger Shamgar September 30, 2017 11:37 AM  

"the reasoning of Thomas Aquinas is a powerful rebuke to the Churchians appealing to false teachings in the name of Christ."
Like the Pope. And I say this as a Catholic.

Anonymous BBGKB September 30, 2017 11:43 AM  

It takes at least four generations, and even that is not enough when people have

"State regulators have placed restrictions on his nursing licenses after determining a sexual assault had taken place."

WTF it was bad enough when junkie nurse programs came about to retain diversity in nursing, are rapey nignurse programs next?
http://www.news-press.com/story/news/crime/2017/09/28/former-cape-coral-nurse-arrested-sexual-battery-charges-stemming-alleged-2016-rape/713025001/

Blogger Johnny September 30, 2017 11:54 AM  

One of the difficulties with getting biblical support for exclusion is that when something was commonplace and not in dispute it goes unmentioned. In the Old Testament period exclusion was automatic, and outsiders were always held in suspicion as they might be spies for some other group.

A person became a member only with the consent of the group. For a tribal people, usually, it would be informal. Somebody would marry into the group, or be brought in for some special skill, or come in in some lowly position, such as being a servant or slave for a well heeded family in the tribe.

The three generation thing (or however many) did not carry with it the requirement that a person had to be let into the congregation or the nation. It was the requirement that someone who became a member of the group could not produce a full status members until the passage of so many generations.

If I got it right, at the time of St. Paul, a person had to be let into the group before they could attend a service. Both early Christian and Jewish groups held what were from the viewpoint of outsiders secret services because outsiders were not let in. St. Paul at first was essentially a spy, secretly attending these meetings as a fake convert for the sake of informing the Romans as to what was going on.

Anonymous NobodyExpects September 30, 2017 12:02 PM  

Very refreshing to see St. Thomas quoted.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 30, 2017 12:13 PM  

The Good Samaritan also packs a punch.

The neighbor of the three is the one who showed mercy, no one else. Not the guy lying in the ditch or the two that passed him by.

Anonymous TS September 30, 2017 12:19 PM  

"Correcting the common confusion of Churchian dogma with actual Christian philosophy:"

There is a lot of deception out there on this issue by professing Christians. I've had some interesting conversations with Christians regarding immivasion and when you state the obvious like, "If the globalists and their leftist minions are for it maybe just maybe your position is wrong?" You can hear the gears start to squeak into motion in their heads. Makes me pissed off at the so-called "leadership" but it's not my problem. Still of the opinion that the NWD (New World Disorder) is going to need the fake church in a big way to lend support to it which immivasion is an example of, just like it will need and already steals much from US taxpayers via the feral reserve to build Tower of Babel 2.0.

Anonymous TS September 30, 2017 12:23 PM  

It's Stockholm Syndrome: Christian version

Blogger Wanderer September 30, 2017 12:26 PM  

I find the best comeback against churchian cucks is to simply point out that it was God Himself who invented nationalism way back when he destroyed the Tower of Babel. Then there's also the fact that the entire Old Testament is a story of nationalism. The people of Israel were a separated and unique people with large walls to protect their borders, and then when they disobeyed God, He used invasion and racemixing with Assyrians to wipe out 10 of the 12 tribes as punishment.

Blogger pyrrhus September 30, 2017 12:28 PM  

The public support for immigration is almost entirely due to out of control female hypergamy.Since most Christian churches have been feminized and are controlled by women, they support unlimited immigration despite the fact that it is civilizational suicide. But then, unchecked female hypergamy is also civilizational suicide.

Blogger pyrrhus September 30, 2017 12:34 PM  

Since most females are almost entirely emotional, it follows that logical arguments based on scripture or reason will have no effect on them. Hence, the wisdom of St. Thomas Aquinas will have no effect, a fact of which Aquinas, like St.Paul, was acutely aware...

Blogger Unknown September 30, 2017 12:38 PM  

"The public support for immigration is almost entirely due to out of control female hypergamy."

Pathological altruism of the progtard kind is far more of a factor than female hypergamy. The other thread discussing the problems about educated women being unable to find more educated men suggests hypergamy has nothing to do with it.

If the invaders from the south were all highly educated and intelligent, then perhaps a case could be made that hypergamy is involved. But that is quite obviously not the case.

Anonymous SugarPi September 30, 2017 12:40 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT70cA-7qMk

So these are the people we need to listen to regarding doctrine???

Blogger pyrrhus September 30, 2017 12:41 PM  

@6 Since the Bible quite explicitly condemns adultery and homosexuality in harsh terms, it's quite clear that most Churchians don't care a fig what the Bible says about anything. This goes for the current Pope as well....It's all fake.

Blogger Jim Hackley September 30, 2017 12:41 PM  

At least four generations? As a mean or median, sure. As a absolute, absolutely false.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 30, 2017 12:44 PM  

Jim Hackley wrote:At least four generations? As a mean or median, sure. As a absolute, absolutely false.

I expect that number does not take into account the free movement of labor or Vox's "time to civilization" theory. In short, the Greeks would have been talking about people from the next city over, not the Congo.

Anonymous SugarPi September 30, 2017 12:46 PM  

Sorry... wrong link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2FrYWub95o

These are the people driving the church bus now.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 30, 2017 12:48 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:Since most females are almost entirely emotional, it follows that logical arguments based on scripture or reason will have no effect on them. Hence, the wisdom of St. Thomas Aquinas will have no effect, a fact of which Aquinas, like St.Paul, was acutely aware...

If they have babies, they will become tribalists.

Anonymous SugarPi September 30, 2017 12:55 PM  

@17 I cited passages from the OT to a "Christian" in a Christian ministry and the response I got was "I've always had a problem with the God of the OT."
Of course, it was a woman, but an older woman I would have thought could manage some sound doctrine. Wrong!

Blogger Phelps September 30, 2017 12:58 PM  

Jim Hackley wrote:At least four generations? As a mean or median, sure. As a absolute, absolutely false.

Nope, at least, as a minimum. For people seeking to immigrate from nations that were hostile to Israel it would be at least ten generations. Deuteronomy 23:3.

Blogger FrankNorman September 30, 2017 1:01 PM  

12. Johnny September 30, 2017 11:54 AM

If I got it right, at the time of St. Paul, a person had to be let into the group before they could attend a service. Both early Christian and Jewish groups held what were from the viewpoint of outsiders secret services because outsiders were not let in. St. Paul at first was essentially a spy, secretly attending these meetings as a fake convert for the sake of informing the Romans as to what was going on.


What?
No Johnny, Saul of Tarsus did not work for the Romans - Roman persecution of Christians began only later. And he did not infiltrate Christian meetings either, during his phase of leading the Jewish persecution of the early church.

Blogger Pteronarcyd September 30, 2017 1:02 PM  

ns with foreigners. First, when foreigners passed through their land as travelers. Secondly, when they came to dwell in their land as newcomers. And in both these respects the Law made kind provision in its precepts: for it is written (Exodus 22:21): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [advenam]’; and again (Exodus 22:9): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [peregrino].’”

This passage, unfortunately, can be used by globalists to justify open borders and allowing the consequent undocumented border crossers to remain unmolested, as long as they do not violate any laws.

Anonymous deplorable September 30, 2017 1:08 PM  

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2FrYWub95o"

That was pretty funny. Where is the barista bar? But seriously it's more of a top down issue always is.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 30, 2017 1:08 PM  

SugarPi wrote:Sorry... wrong link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2FrYWub95o

These are the people driving the church bus now.


People at VP have the best YouTube channels.

Blogger Doom September 30, 2017 1:12 PM  

Yeah? He is Catholic. Most Protestants would dismiss his thoughts without knowing anything more. Then again the same is true for more than a majority of Catholics... probably this current pope, and other modern Catholics. Of course, I am a minority reporter. Then again, it wasn't the many who won our national freedom, and the smallest minority who opened the chance to even be saved.

Anonymous SugarPi September 30, 2017 1:33 PM  

@deplorable. It's top-down and bottom-up. Protestant leaders learn the business model in seminary, ie serve the customer to grow your business. "The customer is always right."
Trend in some home-school communities (we know 4 and we're in the rural south): dad leaves job to go to seminary, incurs debt, mom gets job and dumps kiddies into public school.
These people won't listen to scripture on any topic. Forget St. Thomas on immigration. St. Who??

Blogger FrankNorman September 30, 2017 1:34 PM  

People who start quoting from the OT about not turning away people who want to come and settle should be asked if they are also okay with banning all other religions, or stoning people for adultery.

Immigration into Old Testament Israel required assimilation - the same laws applied to the alien visitor as to the native-born Israelite.
The Israelites were most certainly not expected to change their laws or culture to accommodate immigrants.

Anonymous deplorable September 30, 2017 1:50 PM  

@deplorable. It's top-down and bottom-up. Protestant leaders learn the business model in seminary, ie serve the customer to grow your business. "The customer is always right."

But what you described was clearly top down. Then there is what the bible says... Jeremiah 5:4-5, Amos 2:6, Zechariah 11:15-17, Jeremiah 23.

Blogger bw September 30, 2017 1:50 PM  

He who is not angry, whereas he has cause to be, sins. For unreasonable patience is the hotbed of many vices; it fosters negligence, and incites not only the wicked, but the good to do wrong.

John of Chrysostom, c. 349-407 Archbishop of Constantinople

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 30, 2017 1:51 PM  

Doom wrote:Yeah? He is Catholic. Most Protestants would dismiss his thoughts without knowing anything more.

I suspect you don't associate with a lot of Protestants.

Blogger Johnny September 30, 2017 2:00 PM  

FrankNorman wrote:Immigration into Old Testament Israel required assimilation - the same laws applied to the alien visitor as to the native-born Israelite.

Different conclusions can be drawn from different parts of the Old Testament by going with selective text, but religious doctrine at the time stressed that the Jews were a chosen people, either by the covenant with Moses that involved the Ten Commandments, or by being a male lineage descendent of Abraham. Exceptions to this were occasional and minor.

Most of the book of Joshua involves the conquest of the Holy Land, the land given by God to Abraham. In some instances they allowed non Jews to live in the territory if they provided forced labor services to the Jewish community. Otherwise the most common solution was driving the other tribal groups away by making war against them, or mass murder. Either was acceptable.

The rules for assimilation were the rules for the occasional exception, allowing a few outsiders to become members of the community

Anonymous deplorable September 30, 2017 2:15 PM  

"Trend in some home-school communities (we know 4 and we're in the rural south): dad leaves job to go to seminary, incurs debt, mom gets job and dumps kiddies into public school."

That's pretty sad and indicative. As the husband should be there for his family first, not running off to cemetery and forcing his wife to work outside the home leading to the kids being indoctrinated in public schools is a major leadership fail from the get go. And explains alot concerning the "leadership" in the churches.

Anonymous SugarPi September 30, 2017 2:22 PM  

@deplorable... The more important point is that the emerging "church" serves man's sin nature rather than convicting him of it. Satan is served by the leaders and the led.

Blogger Resident Moron™ September 30, 2017 2:27 PM  

@38

... and those rules of integration were onerous, requiring 10 generations to complete according to Moses' laws.

Given the evidence of the last decades, that looks to be quite realistic.

Anonymous MIG September 30, 2017 2:30 PM  

OT: In Sweden they just published a children's book called Grandpa Has Four Wives. Not a joke.

Anonymous SugarPi September 30, 2017 2:40 PM  

@deplorable
Here's another anecdotal account:
A Christian writer whose works I read recounted her and her husband's visit to a church that seemed okay... until the pastor defended the book Jesus Calling (which is heavy on New Age spiritualism ie paganism, satanism el al) by saying that it gives his wife such peace. This is Adam and Eve all over again. The current crop of Churchian pastors can't see that a wife's feewings aren't cause for heresy.
So how will they be able to discern the truth regarding the country's immigration invasion?!

Blogger Johnny September 30, 2017 2:40 PM  

The Catholic Church had what was in some ways a fairly elegant solution for welfare in the Middle Ages. If you wanted somebody else to see to your material well being, the requirement was that you had to join a religious order and live in a monastery. As that required a vow of celibacy, the monasteries were sexually segregated. Thus to some extent and perhaps very frequently the monasteries became holding tanks for the poor.

While we plainly lack the will to do it, that would be a way of treating these various refugee groups and the long term welfare recipients. Warehouse them in sexually segregated camps.

Overlooking situations when tribute was demanded of a conquered group and the funds when back to the local population (say, Rome), I doubt it has ever before happened that populations were both maintained by outsiders and free to reproduce.

Blogger Thucydides September 30, 2017 2:54 PM  

In Samuel Huntington's last book "Who Are We", he speaks of how settlers are different from immigrants (settlers come in large enough numbers that their cultural preferences can be maintained ), but also details how the Americans, through conscious effort, managed to largely assimilate the mass immigration from the 1880's to the 1920's through a concerted effort by churches, social groups and industry (backed by government) thought standardized schooling, and creating patriotic songs, institutions and events (many of the things we thing of as quintessentially "American" date from that period).

While there are never 100% certainties, I suspect that if the same effort had been put into dealing with immigrants post 1965, a lot of the current problems would have been nipped in the bud, or certainly at a far lower level than we see in the real world today.

Blogger The Aardvark September 30, 2017 3:07 PM  

Biblically, the church is the purview of the church. Paul took contributions for Christians in Judea, not to the disobedient Jews. The church has no authority to deal with this. Our responsibility is to evangelise the lost (get them into the church as disciples), and care for our own.

Individual believers may do as they will, giving money to charities, giving alms to the poor, all the things Jesus taught...I am speaking Biblically, here. The church is to preach Christ, and Him crucified. This changes individuals to handle the other stuff in a redeemed manner.

Blogger DonReynolds September 30, 2017 3:07 PM  

The Modern version of Christianity is based on the nonsensical idea of Universal Egalitarianism...ALL people are equal, no matter where they live or their race or their culture or even their present religious beliefs. Everyone is the same (or can be made the same) in Christ Jesus. To say this is naive and silly would be an understatement. There ARE cruel, savage, barbaric human beings in the world, whether they work for Satan or not. Evil exists...more in some places than others...and not everyone can hear the word of Christ and hear the same thing. WE do not live in One World.

Christians have not always been Liberal Egalitarians. Some of the worst wars in history have been between Christian societies. Even within the same societies, Christians have been willing to burn non-conforming Christians at the stake or public flogging. Did that make them fake Christians? Not in the least and certainly not in their own mind. They saw themselves as protecting the Christian societies they had built and cultivated. They saw invaders who hate Christian civilization and they took up the mace and the sword to defend it. We the Crusaders less Christian than the Baptists? Were the Spanish less Christian when they drove out the heathen Moors from Spain? Not in the least. I would say they were more Christian than those Presbyterians who would surrender rather than fight to defend their own homes and church. No Christian has an obligation to assist in the total destruction of Christian civilization.

Blogger ZhukovG September 30, 2017 3:08 PM  

@Thucydides: Except, many of the immigrants from the 1880s to 1920s did not and have not integrated. They may be loyal to a vision of America filtered through an Italian, Irish or East European lens, but it is not the America of the Founders.

Blogger Roger Hill September 30, 2017 3:13 PM  

"We believe that it is possible to return to a normal good.
And it is that readiness to be content with the normal which is now
generally regarded as a form of lunacy."
(G.K.’s Weekly, Mar. 16, 1929)
Western society has gone mad. Let us pray it comes to its senses before it destroys itself beyond recovery.

Anonymous SugarPi September 30, 2017 3:20 PM  

Our Christian home-school/hybrid school community is being leaned on to take in refuges, as in take them into our individual homes. When one of our school leaders announced this, I knew that saying anything negative would be regarded as not "Christ-like" behavior. So many of the families have adopted and/or fostered, in come cases, multiple children as a result of the virtue signaling that is a characteristic of the local churchian practices. One church has dropped Christ's resurrection as a fundamental teaching, but had a program to support adopting/fostering families. I think that has since ceased since the scandal of the family that uses adoption to replace hiring field hands for the farm, but I digress.
The resulting disasters seen in some of the families makes the dark agenda of the globalists very clear.
Create humanitarian crisis. Call on the 501c3 govt charities (churches) to step up.
Overload a Christian family with outsiders who have major issues and the family is ultimately destroyed. Mission accomplished.

Blogger SteelPalm September 30, 2017 3:20 PM  

Always interesting how level-headed and rational great thinkers of previous generations were about immigrants. St. Thomas Aquinas' account is a sympathetic one, but he simultaneously notes the grave difficulties and arduous process for it to succeed, as well as clearly indicating that this is a privilege very much given at a nation's discretion.

Anonymous Jeff September 30, 2017 3:43 PM  

The best arguments regarding the morality of immigration can be found in Cuckservative, Chapter 9.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 30, 2017 3:53 PM  

It's clear that the Catholic Charities resettlement boards have not read Aquinas. Wonder how they would react to someone who showed it to them?

Blogger kevmalone September 30, 2017 6:31 PM  

These verse #s leave me scratching my head.
My KJV has it:

Exodus 22.21 "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt."
- which seems fit for purpose. However
Exodus 22.9 "For all manner of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing which another challengeth to be his, the cause of both parties shall come before the judges; and whom the judges shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour."
-- a bit of a stretch
Ah, found it.
Exodus 23:9: "Thou shalt not molest a stranger, for you know the hearts of strangers, for you also were strangers in the land of Egypt.
That being said this error in transcription of Summa Theologiae seems to be perpetuated in multiple places around the internet, too much outsourcing of proof-reading mayhap.


Blogger Johnny September 30, 2017 8:26 PM  

kevmalone wrote:These verse #s leave me scratching my head.

My KJV has it:



I believe what is going on is that this was an era when a stranger might well be preyed upon for the sake of entertainment. The intent is to prohibit this sort of entertainment.

A similar edict is the prohibition against leading a blind person astray. It is an effort to keep down interpersonal cruelty.

Anonymous Evangelicals Stand With Israel September 30, 2017 8:26 PM  

Jesus died to stop anti-semitism and racism. The Bible says so.

Anonymous deplorable September 30, 2017 8:27 PM  

"Our Christian home-school/hybrid school community is being leaned on to take in refuges, as in take them into our individual homes."

"When one of our school leaders announced this, I knew that saying anything negative would be regarded as not "Christ-like" behavior."

Ask him why he's following the satanic globalists and let the chips fall where they may.

SugarPi its obvious you need to get out of there. Your home-school/hybrid school community is converged.

Blogger Unknown September 30, 2017 8:28 PM  

the reasoning of Thomas Aquinas is a powerful rebuke to the Churchians appealing to false teachings in the name of Christ.

Nonsense. They are arguments about legal principle. They are well-reasoned arguments, to be sure, but they are unable to rebuke in the name of Christ. In Christ, grace abounds and circumstances matter.

The "Churchians" you mention may be in need of correction for confusing and conflating what Christ meant by "the kingdom of God is among you" (Lk 17:21) and "you will be my witnesses in Judea, Samaria and the ends of the earth" (Acts 1:8) with open borders, but that's a matter of missional perspective. In a Virtual future, if or when geopolitical borders become redundant, as they are for example with online identitarianism, which has already opened borders beyond any measure of control, missional perspectives can, will and must change. Interpretations of Christ's meaning may change, even when His own meaning does not. The rebuke will come to those who fail to understand that grace overrules, yet does not extinguish the law.

In other words, sojourners in this temporary land are welcome to a point, but we must also be committed to sharing the gospel with them with every means available to us. If we don't do that, and just sit here tap-tap-tapping out on a keyboard our graceless and lazy wonderment at why they don't just behave like us without hearing the gospel, it is our failure and not theirs. It is we who will be judged as wanting when the time comes.

Christian, you who have tried to the end of your strength and power to speak the words of life in truth and love to every soujourner in this temporary home, who can say honestly and truthfully to the Lord your God "yes, Lord, I have done my duty and no more", by all means wield Aquinas' reasoning as a rebuking rod. If not, go out and find an immigrant and share the gospel. Perhaps then, his childrens childrens children might have the chance that your ancestors had to be part of the kingdom of God. Of course, they might also despise the newbie too, but that is their issue, and their folly.

Blogger dvdivx September 30, 2017 8:30 PM  

The immigration crisis is hardly new. Rone fell thanks to mass Goth immigration leading to a disastrous defeat only a few years later. The last time it happened Europe entered the dark ages and all the advancements the Romans had made were lost.

Anonymous paladin September 30, 2017 8:47 PM  

"The Modern version of Christianity is based on the nonsensical idea of Universal Egalitarianism...ALL people are equal, no matter where they live or their race or their culture or even their present religious beliefs. Everyone is the same (or can be made the same) in Christ Jesus. To say this is naive and silly would be an understatement."

This.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 30, 2017 8:54 PM  

I see Judeo-Christ poop was dropped on the carpet. Meanwhile, we have some more evidence of "Churchianity" at work - pressuring Trump to condemn his base while they continue to import Musloid rapefugees and profit from it. Judas worked for cheap - a mere 30 pieces of silver. The diabolical narcissists driving the Church Bus are raking in the (((fake money))) by the billions.

Blogger Desiderius September 30, 2017 9:17 PM  

The charitable thing to do is to help them return safely to their home countries where they’ll feel more at home.

Anonymous Cadwallander J September 30, 2017 9:32 PM  

Heh. Mention the great minds of Christian thought to the average Churchian gets you either a blank stare, or in the case of the +1 SD crowd, the Vincini response:

"Aquinas, Augustine, Newton? Morons."

We all know so much better now, because we have been enlightened by JudeoChrist.

P.S. Thanks Vox for bringing my attention to Crypto fashion - I get the strangest looks when asked to explain the Deus Vult shirt.

Anonymous Simplytimothy October 01, 2017 12:28 AM  

Inherent, yet unstated, in St. Thomas's writing is the presupposition that a Nation (?) is a positive good that is worth preserving.

I will keep an eye open for the genesis of that idea. As another commenter wrote, Babel was God creating the nations. And, He did it for our own good.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 01, 2017 2:56 AM  

Brave German psychiatrist says Muslims cannot be integrated:

https://gatesofvienna.net/2017/09/german-psychiatrist-muslim-immigrants-have-an-insane-potential-for-violence/

Anonymous Killua October 01, 2017 2:59 AM  

Everyone is the same (or can be made the same) in Christ Jesus.

Do you think that there are people who cannot be made the same in Christ Jesus? People who are completelly beyond redemption?

Blogger weka October 01, 2017 5:37 AM  

Yes.
Limited Atonement.

Blogger VD October 01, 2017 6:02 AM  

I suspect that if the same effort had been put into dealing with immigrants post 1965, a lot of the current problems would have been nipped in the bud, or certainly at a far lower level than we see in the real world today.

Not even remotely possible. The numbers were too great and the connection to the home culture too close and easily maintained. The cultural and genetic gap is also greater.

Anonymous paladin October 01, 2017 6:32 AM  

"Do you think that there are people who cannot be made the same in Christ Jesus? People who are completely beyond redemption?"

Churchian cuck, what do you mean "made the same"? Even the bible recognizes people are different Roman 12:6. As to their spiritual condition yes ALL people are the same they are all sinners and some will be redeemed regardless of their race but what the globalists are doing with immivasion has NOTHING to do with that and won't change who gets saved one iota either it's just a way to destabilize cultures so they can set up their globalist rule because having those national/cultural differences which God created would nullify their plans for global domination. Have it figured out yet? They aren't inadvertently serving God's kingdom by shuffling people around from their home countries. Globalism means death and destruction not salvation.

Just like it didn't matter that Judas was a Jew and knew Christ personally it won't matter for the damned either the globalists will just shuffle them around.

Now grow a brain and glorify God with it.

Anonymous paladin October 01, 2017 6:53 AM  

God doesn't need satanic globalists shuffling people around in the 21st century breaking precepts He already laid down to get people saved. He's perfect therefore He does things right the FIRST TIME. What did He do during the first iteration of globalism created by sinful man? He created nations because its what was best for humanity. The churches who are helping "refugees" when they aren't refugees from anything really are just destabilizers of local culture and are being led by the spirit of anti-Christ.

God created a garden and their is different plant species separated in a garden you don't just mash all the plants together or you'll have nothing but a plot of weeds which is what the globalists want.

The best way to make the earth a planet of weeds or an evil planet is just what the globalists are doing.

It's really just basic horti-culture.

Anonymous paladin October 01, 2017 6:59 AM  

Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13He replied, “Every PLANT that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides.d If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

Anonymous Killua October 01, 2017 7:38 AM  

Churchian cuck, what do you mean "made the same"?

It was DonReynolds the one who said that, not me. I don't know what he meant by that, that is what I am asking.

He says that there are cruel and barbaric people in the world. Is there a way you can teach cruel and barbaric people not to be cruel and barbaric?

Anonymous Anonymous October 01, 2017 8:08 AM  

I'm not sure why the Churchians who gave us Wimp Jesu apparently direct from their scriptures, would care about the opinion of an ancient scholastic from another church.

Perhaps someone could explain to me why they would?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 01, 2017 9:49 AM  

@72 GraceIronwood,

They don't care, and won't (including the Churchian Vatican II Catholics. For them, point to similar words in their 2005 Catechism, which try to soften it but still confirm a nation's duty to its own citizens). This dialectic isn't intended for them. Its value is in bolstering the convictions of those who are already on the right side (or at least open to it) but who might waver when Churchians accuse them with "But what would Jesus do about poor helpless starving refugees?" Points like this aren't for convincing those Churchians directly; they're for strengthening your resolve in not caving in to their emotional rhetoric.

Blogger Doom October 01, 2017 9:58 AM  

Aeoli,

I was Protestant for the first 20ish. My main mentor being a Presby minister with a dr. in theo. If I wouldn't quite say I ever was Presby, he wasn't either in truth. We were different and from each other and that faith, if Protestant of some ill defined sort. I ended up realizing I was Catholic, he was tied to Presby for retirement though I don't think he would have gone my way, probally far lefter. So...

Anonymous Pennywise October 01, 2017 10:28 AM  

Today's Christians (not Churchians, that is a made up term) are generally familiar with what the Bible says about immigration and how it may be limited by a governmental authority. What they object to is how non-Christians are automatically assumed to be incapable of assimilation and/or are "dangerous" to the incoming society. Moreover, there is not a definitive time table regarding integration...a long time as Saint Thomas stated may be several months to several years to up to two generations. Certainly our ancestors who came to the States would object to this specific period, for they were hardworking and God-fearing. I suppose, therefore, we must all go back.

Although, Aquinas, citing Scripture, would have Christians compel--even with bodily force--non-Christian immigrants to convert to Christianity. Calling all St. Brievik's...

Anonymous DonReynolds October 01, 2017 1:47 PM  

Killua wrote:Churchian cuck, what do you mean "made the same"?

It was DonReynolds the one who said that, not me. I don't know what he meant by that, that is what I am asking.

He says that there are cruel and barbaric people in the world. Is there a way you can teach cruel and barbaric people not to be cruel and barbaric?


You and your friends have had two thousand years to teach people to not be cruel and barbaric. You have had some success stories. The Vikings are not the scourge of Europe. The American Indian has been largely domesticated. But you must also admit that cruel and barbaric people can profess to be Christian as well....the two are not mutually exclusive.

My point was simple enough, and that seems to be a problem...we do not live in One World and we never have. You seem to think you can talk everyone into agreeing to make it One World. I do not believe any of us will live that long.

Blogger Meimou October 02, 2017 1:52 PM  

What they object to is how non-Christians are automatically assumed to be incapable of assimilation

Strawman, and a lazy one, nobody says this. The 3Rd worlders invading Europe and the US are not assimilating and are not meant to.

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