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Saturday, September 30, 2017

The NBA stands

ProFootballTalk is desperately hoping for the spread of the #TakeAKnee protest:
As the NFL is embroiled in controversy over players kneeling during the anthem, the league has steadfastly insisted that players have the right not to stand and will not be disciplined if they choose to exercise that right.

The NBA, meanwhile, has reiterated that players must stand for the anthem. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver said the league’s longstanding rule requiring players to stand for the anthem isn’t going anywhere.

“On the anthem specifically, we have a rule that requires our players to stand for the anthem. It’s been a rule as long as I’ve been involved with the league, and my expectation is that our players will continue to stand for the anthem,” Silver said.

What’s unclear is what the NBA would do if a player chooses to violate that rule. In 1996 the NBA suspended Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf for refusing to stand for the anthem. Abdul-Rauf quickly relented and stood for the anthem while saying a silent prayer. After President Trump’s comments kicked off the latest anthem controversy last week, however, two of the NBA’s biggest stars, Steph Curry and LeBron James, offered comments critical of Trump. If those two stars were to kneel in protest, it’s highly unlikely that Silver would suspend them.

So far, the NBA has managed to avoid controversy. All it takes is one player to defy Silver’s orders, and the controversy will spread to basketball.
Silver is smarter than Goodell. He's a student of David Stern, and he's not about to let the players take over his league.

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 30, 2017 4:18 PM  

Silver was able to put maneuver Sterling in LA. He does have some facility for tactical and / or strategic thinking.

Anonymous Reenay September 30, 2017 4:25 PM  

I think more people would be happy with seeing that arrogant jackass LeBron suspended than would be disappointed.

Steph Curry, who?

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 30, 2017 4:27 PM  

The NBA may not be interested in the Culture Wars, but the Culture Wars are definitely interested in the NBA.

Blogger Zimri September 30, 2017 4:29 PM  

Curry is a big deal in the West. Yuge.

But if Curry got himself suspended all that would mean is that other teams would be better able to beat the Warriors. Nobody outside Golden State thinks of him as anything other than a threat. He's welcome to his protest and the rest of us will enjoy an easier path to the playoffs.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 30, 2017 4:29 PM  

NBA actually had an issue with Anthem standing back in the 90s or so. Thus, for them, it's a settled issue.


@1 Stg58/Animal Mother

Silver actually handled the Sterling situation pretty well. He actually couldn't have won the court case they'd have been heading to, but got lucky in how certain things went down. But it's also a different league. NBA has always had much larger media personalities to deal with as owners. (The teams are much smaller organizations than the NFL. That makes the owner environment very different.)

Blogger Zundfolge September 30, 2017 4:34 PM  

Recently I saw someone in a comment on one of the news sites refer to the "take a knee" idiots as "Take-a-knee-groes"

I know this doesn't add much to the discourse, but I think its damn funny :p

Anonymous Looking Glass September 30, 2017 4:36 PM  

@4 Zimri

Curry won't. LeBron is unlikely to. Trump was teaching Curry a lesson. Regardless of public statements, it feels like Curry got the lesson. Rest of the league, not so much. They were trying to use Trump to preen off. Trump showed him the way to operate in business if you want to be successful.

We'll see if he takes the message properly over the next few months.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 30, 2017 4:37 PM  

I would have bet the nfl wouldn't let players kneel. Shows how dumb I am. But the nfl clearly has nothing but contempt for its fans.

Blogger Lazarus September 30, 2017 4:42 PM  

Their is a preseason game today at 5:30 pacific time. We will see what the Player's Association will come up with.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 30, 2017 4:53 PM  

If the NBA doesn't allow kneelers, then the protest will have failed to spread in sportball world beyond the NFL. That's gonna damp it down in the longer run. Reminds me, did Sheila Jackson Lee ever get back up off of the House floor?

Anonymous Punisher September 30, 2017 5:00 PM  

But the beginning of the article says the NBA will have a forum for teams to express their views before the game. This is the root of the problem: mixing politics and sports. The anthem is just a slap in the face. The NBA will suffer too.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 30, 2017 5:01 PM  

@8 Brick Hardslab

David Stern was a master as manipulating situations. Love or hate the man, but he was really good at solving the problem they had of 85% black league and a customer base that wasn't. It led Stern to being fairly draconian in a lot of ways, but that's how you protect the value of extremely expensive investments.

@9 Lazarus

The NFL's Player Union ends up being very weak for structural reasons. The NBA's Player Union is weaker because it's run by the Agents. In theory they are better run now, but it's still the Agents that run that place. They won't want to hurt the current system.

Blogger Lovekraft September 30, 2017 5:13 PM  

I think a lot of the protests come from a place of fear and insecurity, as well as a sense of earned right.

Losing special minority status, having to compete in a very tight job market, combined with justified contribution to culture.

That said, as many here can attest, we've seen the excesses of this subsect: Polar Bear hunting, massive crime disparity, shakedown rackets. These are rightly criticized. Not to mention the occasional glimpses of an alliance with soft jihad.

Until the conversation gets through this, there will be polarity and enmity. But to get there, the entire apparatus has to be dismantled because there is a lot of co-ordination among the critical theory/moral relativism crowd.

Blogger Lovekraft September 30, 2017 5:20 PM  

re the Oakland Raiders purportedly throwing the game because the QB opposed them:

"The radio hosts have told listeners that their source for this information is “extremely reliable”."

https://constitution.com/bombshell-oakland-raiders-take-race-war-offensive-line-throw-game/

This would be a possible reflection of the bigger issue: akin to extortion. The challenge is to separate, in the debate, this type of blatant criminality from the wider issue of addressing valid grievances.

Obama has muddied everything (even though it goes back decades, he mastered/entrenched it).

Blogger Brad Matthews September 30, 2017 5:29 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:I think a lot of the protests come from a place of fear and insecurity, as well as a sense of earned right.

Losing special minority status, having to compete in a very tight job market, combined with justified contribution to culture.


They are terrified of having no one left to blame. Admitting the current problems are self-inflicted is way too much cogdis.

Blogger Shamgar September 30, 2017 5:36 PM  

It will be interesting. Does he have the balls to suspend/ fine LeBron? Or even a fiery dude like Westbrook (though he plays in OKC, so it'd be very stupid of OKC players to do any kind of protest.)

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 30, 2017 5:40 PM  

Suspending LeBron in the event that he didn't stand for the anthem would probably do more to attract viewers than anything else the NBA could do.

Most people secretly love drama. If the players disrespect the anthem and nothing happens, there's no drama. It's just lame.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 30, 2017 6:19 PM  

This one is going to be interesting.

The players are going to be under tremendous social pressure to kneel.

On the other hand it is obvious to a blind chipmunk that if Goodall had dealt with CK directly and forcefully the problem would have ended last year.

It's even vaguely possible that Colin would still have a job.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 30, 2017 6:45 PM  

Came across this today:

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/9/29/16387550/donald-trump-protest-nfl-nba-colin-kaepernick-week-4-nfl-picks

We can add Bill Simmons to another Media Liberal that Trump has broken. I had to contain my laughter while reading it. Simmons is still a solid writer, but he's lost his touch and Trump has claimed another scalp.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 30, 2017 6:51 PM  

I have to interject. The NBA allowed Mahmoud Abdour Rauf (Chris Jackson) to not stand for the pledge but Rauf did his business in the locker room which was out of public view. In my opinion, this is the difference between Kapernick and Rauf. In my opinion, Kapernick is a narcissist and Rauf is not for he kept his principles to himself. Mahmoud Abdour Rauf respected the institution of standing for the pledge and simultaneously remained to his principles. Kapernick was blatantly disrespectful and not only want every one to know it, he wanted to use someone else's platform to express his narcissism.

Anonymous tublecane September 30, 2017 6:52 PM  

I barely follow basketball at all, but I vaguely remember when the NBA was threatened by the perception of being a League of Thugs after "Meta World Peace" and other Pistons/Pacers threw a Basketbrawl known as the Malice in the Pnee stupid rhymes. Did that start with the "rumble in the jungle?")

You remember, there was a scuffle on the court in the waning moments of the game. Ron Artest was lounging on the scoring table or whatever for some reason. A ne'er-do-well in the stands threw a drink at him. Artest hulked out, charging into the crowd to beat down the perpetrator, leading to a giant brawl amongst fans and players on and off-court.

Very embarrassing, but it led the NBA to tighten its image, ultimately for the best. I don't know if this was directly related, but I've seen hilarious montages of refs calling technical fouls on players in this era for looking at them cross-eyed. Or not even that. If they could merely sense the player didn't agree with their calls silently, within the privacy of their player-minds.

Like on sitcoms when female characters slap men for no apparent reason. He says, "I didn't say anything."

She says, "You were thinking it."

"Fair enough."

Anonymous Uncle John's Band September 30, 2017 6:54 PM  

The NBA has always had to deal with perception issues, and could never develop the sense of entitlement brought by the success of the NFL. Stern had to clean house after the cocaine scandals of the 70's and was always conscious of alienating his fan base. The Abdul-Rauf incident was one example; the dress code is another.

I don't know how much this matters in the current climate though. There is a long-running theory that Jordan's baseball hiatus was a face-saving measure after Stern effectively suspended him over gambling issues. It is not so certain that Silver would stand up to Curry or LeBron the same way.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 30, 2017 7:12 PM  

NBA players would have been sitting before NFL players, if the NBA hadn't put it in black-and-white in their contract. Their players do their activism on social media, interviews, and awards shows. If they curse America under their breath or think about hookers and blow while standing for the anthem, no one cares.

Thing is, while the NFL didn't codify anthem standing the same way, it actually did better and got the union to give the commissioner full authority on all disciplinary matters. That's how the league has been able to stop all other non-approved displays by players, from wearing the wrong color of socks to the Cowboys wanting to wear a patch for slain cops. It's how they can suspend a player over alleged domestic violence even when the cops and their own investigator say there's no case. The NFL does have all the authority it needs to stop the protests. It didn't want to. Now that the president focused public anger on the issue, maybe it does.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III September 30, 2017 7:20 PM  

>We can add Bill Simmons to another Media Liberal that Trump has broken.

Simmons' negro cuckold fetish is skrong.

Blogger rcocean September 30, 2017 7:42 PM  

Simmons doesn't just have "negro Fetish" he's a complete Jock sniffer. He interviewed Larry bird, and Simmons was so obsequious and star-struck, I thought he was going to give Larry bird a blow-job, on camera.

As for his attitude toward blacks, his I'm an "honorary black brother" who "hates racism with all his heart and soul", is good for a few good chuckles.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 30, 2017 7:47 PM  

But the beginning of the article says the NBA will have a forum for teams to express their views before the game.

That doesn't matter. It's about the anthem, for both sides, no matter how much the media narrates sadly about, "It's a shame this unrelated protest has gotten tangled up with respect for the anthem." Standing for the flag and anthem is what it's about. Some black athletes don't want to stand for the anthem because to them it represents an America they think is racist and murderous towards black men. White fans want them to stand because to them that act represents the American myth that we're all united in "being American" despite our other differences.

If they do some sort of demonstration separate from the anthem, it won't satisfy the protestors. It will mean they backed down, and they'll know it. The white fans will be fine with it because they don't mind if people protest all day long, as long as they don't disrespect the flag. So no matter how much they call a separate demonstration a compromise, it'll mean Trump won.

Anonymous Casey September 30, 2017 7:47 PM  

American Negros are always looking for a new way to piss Caucasians off.

The NFL Negros have been handed a venue where they can do so to a national audience.

Any Caucasian who continues to watch the TV Negros is an idiot.

I can't understand why the NFL continues to be a topic of interest on this alt-right website.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 30, 2017 7:50 PM  

@22 Uncle John's Band

Silver is too much of a technocrat. Stern had the larger-than-life ability Silver lacks.

@21 tublecane

Stern's dress code worked perfectly. After about a year of being pissed about it, a few of the guys realized how nice a well-tailored suit is. (People take you far more seriously.) Since then, the happiest industry around the NBA has been in custom high-end clothing. There's a running Suit Game in NBA circles, along with a lot of investments in actual fashion. (Twitter lights up pre-game with pictures, especially during the playoffs.)

It was also necessary as the fan base is mostly gentrified urban centers.

Anonymous Realist September 30, 2017 7:50 PM  

I have wondered if the decision to not give Tebow a fair chance didn't come from the league and not the teams given the things we've seen lately. They didn't want a popular, outspoken Christian to be a distraction.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 30, 2017 7:54 PM  

his is the difference between Kapernick and Rauf

Yep, but it's a very, very intentional difference. Rauf just didn't feel right honoring something he didn't like. The NFL Kneelers are going out of their way to flip the bird to the American nation. What's the phrase? "Acting out?" Yeah, that's it.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 30, 2017 7:59 PM  

I have wondered if the decision to not give Tebow a fair chance...

FFS, Tebow got a fair chance. He sucked. Kraepernick's main on-field problem is his terrible accuracy, when he throws the ball, God himself only knows where it'll land. But compared to Tebow, Kraepernick is a master. Tebow's passes grew webbed feet mid-air.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 30, 2017 7:59 PM  

Notable:

The teams last weekend that devoted the most preparation to pregame unity were:

Miami - lost to the horrible Jets so they could print t-shirts about Kaepernick.

Steelers - lost to the lowly Bears so thety could throw their ranger under the bus.

Raiders - Lost to the mediocre Redskins so they could kill their warrior qb.

Seattle had a four hour meeting on how to divide themselves up in a loss to a Tenneessee team they should outrank, but don't.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 30, 2017 8:02 PM  

In my opinion, this is the difference between Kapernick and Rauf.

The other difference is that none of the other leagues have wrapped themselves in the flag to the extent the NFL has. Along with an NFL season, you get military jet fly-overs, 100-yard flags, tie-ins with various veteran's charities, camo-themed league merchandise, "Salute to Service" games, commercials for veterans affairs and military family services, and much more. An NFL broadcast sometimes seems like a joint venture with the DoD. So there's more of a sense of betrayal because people feel like, "Hey, you've been feeding us football+flag+military+America wrapped up in one package called "NFL" for years, and you don't care whether your own players are with that program? What the hell?"

Anonymous Jack Amok September 30, 2017 8:14 PM  

White fans want them to stand because to them that act represents the American myth that we're all united in "being American" despite our other differences...So no matter how much they call a separate demonstration a compromise, it'll mean Trump won.

Bingo. When you're involved in a war, loyalty tests are necessary. Are you willing to stand up, in front of everybody, and profess loyalty to the same side as me? Yes or no. Declare.

The BLM folks demanded players Declare. Trump merely responded in kind, demanding owners and fans Declare.

I wish all this shit wasn't needed. But, since it is, I'd like to get it over with as quickly as possible, leave my kids the cleanest slate I can.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 30, 2017 8:16 PM  

@29 Realist

Tebow's problem is he didn't relearn to throw a football in 10th grade. His dyslexia also didn't help matters. He needed to sit for 2-3 years, but the problem is his running was just too strong and it meant he has the ability to be on the field. You had to build around him, and no one was willing to do that.

Because of that, he also brought along a fan base outside of the team. Which meant if he was the 2nd string QB, any time the normal QB had issues, there will be calls to replace him. Tebow couldn't will himself through the transition phase because they just would take time he didn't have. Basically, he was a bad QB 15% of the time, but he wasn't going to be able to excise that 15% too quickly.

However, there was a very clear desire from a number of parties to not really have him around. Though he did choose NYC over Jacksonville, mostly because Jacksonville probably would have gotten him killed on the field. (Terrible previous ownership group.)

Tebow was the first true Sports Star of the Social Media age. He's also the best College Football player of his generation and one of the best all-time. He also goes down as the best Spread-Option QB during the Spread-Option Era. He was a bigger media presence than some teams at the time. Which didn't help him land a QB job. For at least 2 years after he was out, he could have helped a number of teams, but they viewed the attention as a problem.

It's not like Trump didn't just show up the entire NFL ownership on Twitter a week ago. Me thinks they are a lot more attention seeking than they let on, and a bigger personality around doesn't make them too happy. (Also explains the NFL's League Office going after Brady, their biggest name.)

Blogger Jamie-R September 30, 2017 8:21 PM  

The NBA used to be worth nothing. Until Magic & Larry rivalry between biggest clubs they saw the impact of corrupt blacks on white consumers. There's nothing more powerful than whites putting their wallets away. If it wasn't for the stupidest demographic, western white women, it would already have solved lots of stuff.

Blogger Cecil Henry September 30, 2017 8:28 PM  

Please kneel guys!!! Do it!!!

Its such an important statement.... although not the one you likely suspect.

Do it, kneel, kneel, kneel.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 30, 2017 8:33 PM  

Any Caucasian who continues to watch the TV Negros is an idiot.

Every time someone rolls out this tiresome bit, it makes me wish I'd been more of a stereotypical jerk jock in school and beaten up more nerds. It turns out the Alpha Betas were the good guys.

I can't understand why the NFL continues to be a topic of interest on this alt-right website.

Really? The Alt-Right is concerned with things as they are, not with how we wish they were. The way things are is that pro football and the flag/anthem are very important to many Americans, especially white Americans. The cross-section of those two things is super-important to them. You can sperg out about how that shouldn't be the case, but it is. To judge from my social media feeds, it's more important than any other issue over the last year, with the possible exception of the election. It's certainly more important to them than Russian hackers or how many people are homeless in Puerto Rico. Maybe it shouldn't be, but it is. Just today, a cousin of mine almost apologetically posted on Facebook, saying that she never posts about politics (true), but she thinks everyone should stand for the anthem (and she's definitely not a Trump supporter).

Aside from the fact that many of us watch pro football because it's an awesome sport, this issue is tied up with the growing racial conflict across the country, the limits and weaknesses of civic nationalism, signs of growing real nationalism, the war between President Trump and the Left, the tearing down of icons respected by normal Americans.... Gee, why would we talk about something that involves all that?

Anonymous Andrew E. September 30, 2017 8:47 PM  

You had to build around him, and no one was willing to do that.

As a lifelong Bronco fan who idolized Elway as a kid I felt betrayed when Elway and the Broncos promised Tebow the job after the 2011 season and then days later signed Peyton Manning as a hired gun and then cut Tebow. Manning, who I always really liked, set records as a Bronco, led them to one Super Bowl and got destroyed, and played and won another because of the defense (25th best QB play in the league that year).

Whenever the team was allowed to play to Tebow's strengths, no-huddle, spread option, sandbox football, Tebow could move the ball consistently against any defense. But football is now supposed to be played apparently as if every team has Tom Brady at QB so Tebow was never going to stick around.

Anonymous Boomer September 30, 2017 8:57 PM  

Anyone who doesn’t watch NegroBall is a nerd. Real men watch treasonous thugs chasing rubber balls on their Talmudvision. Very alpha.

Blogger Cleveland Screamer September 30, 2017 9:49 PM  

Lebron won't be kneeling. He already said "my voice is more important than my knee" when asked at media day if he would kneel.

Blogger Lazarus September 30, 2017 9:53 PM  

Boomer wrote:Anyone who doesn’t watch NegroBall is a nerd. Real men watch treasonous thugs chasing rubber balls on their Talmudvision. Very alpha.

Sigmas, if they watch at all, know to check in for the last 2 minutes.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 30, 2017 10:01 PM  

Anyone who doesn’t watch NegroBall is a nerd. Real men watch treasonous thugs chasing rubber balls on their Talmudvision. Very alpha.

I really wonder why we have people here playing what amounts to defense of enemies who want to exterminate us. The NFL and NBA are largely owned by cloud people who want YT dead. The millionaire retarded dindus who play for them likewise want YT dead. They're enemies, plain and simple. Few, if any, exceptions. The only thing they deserve is the sword - or maybe something much slower and far more painful in the case of cloud people. If your enemy is doing something to set himself ablaze you don't tell him to put the fire out, you hand him some gasoline instead. Turn it off. Burn it down. Salt the earth after.

It's like every lesson of SJWs Always Lie has been tossed into the memory hole over this idiocy. That being said, it's not the most important issue of this type before people. The very same principle goes - only more so - for public schools and all of academia. Homeschool or die. Don't ever borrow money to send a kid to some Marxist-run indoctrination camp - which is basically what all colleges and universities are. They need to be destroyed even more thoroughly than the NFL and NBA do. Folks seem to be holding on to this quaint notion that this is somehow 'reformable' or that the enemies who are hell-bent on our extermination are going to relent or that they're going to allow us to vote on their extermination plans. When have they ever relented??

Anonymous Casey September 30, 2017 10:03 PM  

@38

You're a windbag.

Try to get over it.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 30, 2017 10:07 PM  

You're a windbag.

Try to get over it.


You're an ass. Try to get over that. I don't credit your chances.

Anonymous Casey September 30, 2017 10:12 PM  

@5343

I'm not going to squint my eyes until I get over being a racial realist. I wouldn't want to disappoint the negroes by causing them to feel that I'm ignoring their efforts.

They're going to so much trouble,...

Anonymous Chrome Dynamo September 30, 2017 10:13 PM  

My guess is that the nba thugocracy will do the "link arms to protest whatever the f*ck it is we are against" meme that is current in the kneelgroe footsie league.

Blogger Chris Lutz September 30, 2017 10:16 PM  

@35 I rooted for Tebow simply because he drove ESPN and the rest nuts. Other than him wanting to be a QB and nothing else, he was never a disruption beyond the fact that he had a rabid fan base. But he was never a good passer. Although when he was with the Eagles he did look a bit better.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 30, 2017 10:26 PM  

They're going to so much trouble,...

They could be shut down in five seconds if the white owners would grow a pair.

Blogger Lazarus September 30, 2017 10:33 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:When have they ever relented??

Never, Gen. Kong. They are relentless. Like the jihadis, like the Viet Cong.
The only choice is annihilation.

Blogger Lazarus September 30, 2017 10:41 PM  

Tke down the NBA and NFL by fan strike and you advance the MAGA agenda exponentially.

Anonymous Gunhauler September 30, 2017 10:42 PM  

Cail; you seem to have an invested interest in NFL players (.i.e. blacks) not protesting.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 30, 2017 10:57 PM  

"I can't understand why the NFL continues to be a topic of interest on this alt-right website."

Because a lot of people are still in desperate need of weaning off it.

To me, they're in need of weaning off of overdone sports fannery in general, but that's a whole other topic.

Blogger Kona Commuter September 30, 2017 11:25 PM  

Off Topic but dang if this isn't a wake up call for me to make sure I'm not doing the same thing --> "After Hurricane Maria, Puerto Ricans are looking for cell service instead of clearing roads and helping unload containers and load helicopters" https://imgur.com/a/3LWzs

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 30, 2017 11:36 PM  

Because a lot of people are still in desperate need of weaning off it.

I expect it's almost like stages of grief. Many whites seem truly shocked at all this. My own shock at how things really are (vs. what we were taught in grade school) came over two decades ago. The hideous nature of the reality is almost too much to face. There's always this notion (normalcy bias is the term for it, as I recall) that 'surely it can't be this bad.' I think a lot of us have been there. Got news for them: It's even worse than you now think.

That's not the same as saying there is no hope and we should all just lay down and die. On the contrary, all it takes is twelve - and the happy news is that we have many more than twelve already, with more being added every day. You have to face what actually exists, not what you wish it to be.

Anonymous DonReynolds September 30, 2017 11:52 PM  

@50 Lazarus wrote:Gen. Kong wrote:When have they ever relented??

Never, Gen. Kong. They are relentless. Like the jihadis, like the Viet Cong.

The only choice is annihilation.


For whatever reason, when an individual has gangrene of an arm or a leg, there are two choices.
The diseased limb can be surgically removed entirely OR they can keep the limb until they die.
While no one wants to lose an arm or a leg, they had rather live without it than die with it.

Blogger YIH October 01, 2017 12:29 AM  

I remember years ago the NFL TV contract had a minimum number of games and minimum ratings level. I don't know if that's still the case or if it applies to other pro leagues.
In the '87 strike which cancelled a week of games and was continued with 'replacement' players until the strike ended, the league had to refund to the networks some money in compensation for the lost games and the poor ratings of 'replacement' games. Likely baseball and hockey had to refund TV money over their (much worse, cancelling postseason) strikes as well. So it's quite possible that the NBA also has a ratings 'floor' they have to maintain. And that's the point, ratings were sagging last year. And they ludicrously they blamed the election, which makes no sense, because the NBA season starts around Nov. 1. At least the NFL could claim it affected half the season.
If they don't take a hard line on the BLM crap right now it could literally take money out of their pockets when the season starts. They know this could happen, because it already did, and quite a bit - in the WNBA. But the lesbos are down with that, and really, it's the WNBA, so who else even cares?
OTOH, the NBA is fighting slipping TV ratings and game attendance, the last thing they need is the flak the NFL is catching.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 01, 2017 12:34 AM  

(Wet)Gangrene is pretty much contagious death incarnate. It's a process of so much dead but still "wet" flesh being attached to the body that the toxins kill living cells, which rupture as well releasing even more toxins. It's like a biological forest fire, cut it off or the whole body burns.

Blogger YIH October 01, 2017 12:50 AM  

Another problem the NBA has is they don't really have the ''goodwill ambassador'' that Magic Johnson and then Michael Jordan so ably did for so many years. LeBron James is the closest they have to that now, and he's ill-suited to that role, both for his BLM support and his purely mercenary career in the NBA.

Blogger YIH October 01, 2017 1:42 AM  

Realist wrote:I have wondered if the decision to not give Tebow a fair chance didn't come from the league and not the teams given the things we've seen lately. They didn't want a popular, outspoken Christian to be a distraction.
He got more than a fair chance, after his Cinderella season turned into a pumpkin with the Broncos he got traded to the Jets, who quickly realized he was nobody's answer at QB so they tried to convert him into a TE which didn't work out too well. The next year the Patriots signed him in training camp after he and his agent were claiming he worked hard to improve his game. They kept him to the final cutdown and his NFL career ended. I'd been hearing good things about him as a baseball player, but if his head doesn't stop being a ball magnet that ain't gonna last either.

Anonymous Rocklea October 01, 2017 1:59 AM  

Are we seeing a disconnect between the market and social mood? What's the new metric, if any?

Anonymous Looking Glass October 01, 2017 2:24 AM  

@39 Andrew E.

I forgot about Manning showing up. That was probably the only way Tebow got run out of Denver. I don't blame Elway for that one. Though the hilarious thing is that by Manning's second year there, they pretty much had implemented everything they would have basically run with Tebow. In SB year, Manning, besides being hurt, was pretty much being a West Coast QB: short, quick pass game since his arm was toast. (It helped they put together an all-time great Defense.)

@57 YIH

The WNBA is that thing you find out exists when they have their championship series and you go, "oh, that still exists?". I also made the mistake of watching it one time. So... don't. If you want to see better basketball, and you live in the States, check during the Winter the top 10 list in the State. See one of them live at a local high school. The basketball is about twice as good.

Only slightly related side point: Women's Professional Soccer/Futbol is actually not a bad watch. But it's because the professional Men's can cover so much of the pitch so quickly that a lot of the more enjoyable movement/actions in the sport are fare more limited. You don't get to see a lot of 1 vs 1 or hard break away plays in the Men's. (Functionally, the pitch is too small for the modern professional athletes. Thus high-end professional soccer/futbol is about capitalizing on errors rather than outplaying your opponents.)

@61 Rocklea

Current US Stock Market exists as a recycle point for money. It's shoved up, by Fed dictate, to "solve" other problems. It's been disconnected from reality for a rather long time.

Blogger AdognamedOp October 01, 2017 3:56 AM  

The only reason lesbo league BB still exists is because fans that buy ticket packets for say, Knicks games, are forced to accept lesbo league game tickets as part of the deal. They cant make any money on their own. There just aren't enough dorito munching fan girls to sustain that useless enterprise. But the collapse of lesball would hurt the sjw cause so I'm guessing they have alot of private donors, like mark cuba, helping them along. And hey, they're making a Bobby Riggs played that dike in tennis movie. Go girrls!

Anonymous Looking Glass October 01, 2017 4:03 AM  

@63 AdognamedOp

Considering the salary cap in the League, the WNBA is actually a net positive to most of the team owners. Gives their arenas something to do during the summer between concerts. It also let them buy off the NYC SJWs, while also making them go watch it. Honestly fairly brilliant.


In probably more important news, Catalonia's vote is getting violent.

Anonymous tublecane October 01, 2017 4:58 AM  

@62-I live in MN and the Lynx have won like three championships, so the media talks about them. Also, needless to say, the media is pozzed.

I probably don't know anyone personally who's ever watched a game, though. "Lynx" is just a word you hear on the radio occasionally, or on a tv when you're passing by the electronics department or at someone else's house.

Blogger VD October 01, 2017 5:19 AM  

Though the hilarious thing is that by Manning's second year there, they pretty much had implemented everything they would have basically run with Tebow. In SB year, Manning, besides being hurt, was pretty much being a West Coast QB: short, quick pass game since his arm was toast.

Except Tebow couldn't make those short, quick passes. I once saw him miss an RB still behind the line by at least five yards. He was the complete opposite of a West Coast QB, having a strong, inaccurate arm.

Good man, but I was never even remotely surprised that he didn't stick with an NFL team, much less one run by a great quarterback like Elway. It must have physically pained him to see Tebow throw a ball.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 01, 2017 5:34 AM  

There has to be a category for Tebow-like quarterbacks. They are AMAZING on the collegiate level, amazing to the point of contending for the Heisman and, in some cases, winning it (ie. Charlie Ward). But on the professional level they haven't the ability to translate their success and often move elsewhere and achieve success. Charlie Ward went on to play for the Knicks for a moment. Turner Gill became a great D2 coach (he was handed too much when he moved to Kansas, I think).

Anonymous Looking Glass October 01, 2017 6:09 AM  

@66 VD

What the offense became when they won the Superbowl was Manning pretty much running the West Coast because he lost his range on his throws.

In the year they played in the Super Bowl against Seattle (and got creamed, because the 2 weeks allowed Seattle to decipher their Offensive System), when they set all-time records for Yards & Points, it was Manning's normal system melded with most of the concepts Tebow would have dealt with.

Tebow, in trying to fix his mechanical issues (by fix, I mean drop his release from .6s to .4s) created for himself a real "happy feet" problem. His feet kept getting away from him. So he was normally okay, but then he'd just miss guys. Statistically, it was about 10% of his throws. But some of them were so rare to see a Pro QB make that they stood out.

Weirdly, between his Throwing & Running, he produced league average Net Yards. That's why they went 8-8 and won a playoff game. But, as I said up thread, the biggest mistake was not changing his mechanics during High School. By the time he got to the pros, he just had too many reps throwing his old way. But, in totality, I don't think it was a bad thing for his life. He probably won't need a cane in 10 years.

Blogger Stephen October 01, 2017 7:58 AM  

I misread ProFootBall as Poofball.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 01, 2017 8:37 AM  

It's crazy that they are trying to cope with these insecurities in this kind of manner.
The logical, strategically-sound battle plan would be joining with white deplorables against the new minorities that are displacing them. Yet the white liberals and (((white))) liberals have total control of most of them.
Of course, I know I'm the fifty millionth commenter to point this out, and the obvious cause is the low IQ/Present time orientation/racial resentment combination that is nearly always correctly noted. It's just sad to see that they are determined to bind themselves to the invaders. Imagine if the absurd scenario of a Soviet Invasion like in Red Dawn were real; they would immediately become collaborators, despite their historic claim and their clearly American heritage.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 01, 2017 8:59 AM  

Tebow's strengths, no-huddle, spread option, sandbox football

That can work for about a season if he's really good at it. Then NFL defenses realize they don't have to worry about his third or fourth options, maybe not even his second, so they can pin their ears back and come break him into small pieces. See 2012 Rookie of the Year RGIII, starting for Instagram this season.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 01, 2017 9:06 AM  

Cail; you seem to have an invested interest in NFL players (.i.e. blacks) not protesting.

Nope, I'd prefer that they would. But I don't think they will, and I'm invested in understanding reality and not projecting my fantasies on it.

I'd rather they continued protesting, because it's waking people up, and it might get the NFL to back off on the SJW trend that's been annoying me for a decade. I don't think that'll happen, though, because that's not how convergence works.

Anonymous Humor attempts October 01, 2017 9:43 AM  

Nice to see the NBA being taller about this.

Anonymous Humor attempts October 01, 2017 10:08 AM  

Also if the NHL players take a knee that league might find itself on thin ice. Not sure if the owners would let them skate.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 01, 2017 4:55 PM  

@73 @74

/Golf Clap

Blogger James Dixon October 01, 2017 5:46 PM  

> Nice to see the NBA being taller about this.

It is mighty white of them.

Anonymous Pitchfork Rebel October 02, 2017 5:28 PM  

The NBA is obviously guilt of "disparate impact" discrimination-there's no other way to account for complete dominance of a pursuit by people who are a small minority of the population.

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