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Friday, September 08, 2017

The War Against Vox Day

The Stormpoopers are confident of victory... mostly:
A few choice quotes from topics elsewhere in this forum.

@Cornfed said in PSA: This Battle With Vox Gay Will Not End Anytime Soon:

There is no battle. Vox is a joke - the end.

@Ghett-O-Tarzan said in PSA: This Battle With Vox Gay Will Not End Anytime Soon:

I warned you guys months ago that Vox was trying to redefine the altright to suit him. All you big brained nibbas couldn't see it and dismissed by warnings. I'm not worried though. Vox's attempt to launch a coup will fail just as badly as gamergate did. Vox acts a lot like a Jew. And like most Jews he always overplays his hand and overestimates his own intelligence.

And so on and so forth. I'm here to tell you all, that despite the hilarious meltdown Vox Day is experiencing right now, you all are making that fatal mistake.

Never underestimate your enemy. And yes, as of now, Vox Day, someone I previously defended and had a lot of respect for, has proven himself to be my enemy. All he had to do was walk away. I'm pretty sure that even Milo didn't give a fuck about Anglin or what happened. Milo's book is still gonna be a bestseller with normies, alt-lite, and other plebs.

But what you all are missing is that this isn't Cernovich 2.0. Vox has been victorious for almost his entire career. He didn't win so much by being stupid.

If there's anyone who can successfully bring a coup to the Alt-right, it would be Vox. I don't say this to hype him up, I say this as someone who actually perceives a potential threat and wants you all to act serious and be ready to fight.

The War Against Vox Day will be a harder war than we've ever fought against SJWs and shitlibs. Vox is neither, which automatically makes him leagues above their level. We need to ensure that we have not grown soft in our victories against the cucks of National Review and the faggots of other leftoid rags.
Considering that they fought a war against Milo and Milo didn't notice, I can't say that I'm overly concerned. Besides, they have already failed Sun Tzu 101; they don't know their enemy. Their war is not against me, but rather, the entire Evil Legion of Evil. I am merely a humble Dark Lord who happens to command the Legion with a magnanimous fist of iron.

I am a little curious about how I am supposed to have "overplayed my hand", though. So far, I have a) challenged Andrew Anglin to the debate he and his followers were requesting, and b) actually, that's pretty much it to date.

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Blogger Kristophr September 08, 2017 6:15 PM  

Can't wait for the video roflstomp.

Anonymous Andrew Torba September 08, 2017 6:16 PM  

Watching Vox Gay self destruct in a raging hissy fit is one of the most entertaining things ever.

Blogger Kristophr September 08, 2017 6:16 PM  

Try harder. Next time, with feeling.

Anonymous Manwe September 08, 2017 6:18 PM  

Our goal is to win more people to our side. Dressing up like a National Socialist from the 1930s is only going to turn almost everybody off. I'm still convinced that most of these larpers are leftists trying to discredit us.

Anonymous Ivan Throne September 08, 2017 6:20 PM  

Considering that they fought a war against Milo and Milo didn't notice, I can't say that I'm overly concerned.

That is so cruel I cannot help but take delight in it.

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger Chris Lopes September 08, 2017 6:22 PM  

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I can see the outcome pretty clearly. You have one group who marched with tiki torches and another who is building alternative tech platforms. The smart money is on the tech guys.

Blogger Kristophr September 08, 2017 6:22 PM  

Manwe wrote:Our goal is to win more people to our side. Dressing up like a National Socialist from the 1930s is only going to turn almost everybody off. I'm still convinced that most of these larpers are leftists trying to discredit us.

If they call themselves National Socialists, then they are leftists.

Blogger Nathan September 08, 2017 6:26 PM  

Alt-reich trolls: you have the go back as well. Once we start removing the parasites and degenerates from the country in earnest, you will be among the first go. To the absolute delight of many of your "fellow" white Americans.

Dispatch them quickly.

Blogger M. Bibliophile September 08, 2017 6:27 PM  

I dunno, that Straw Vox is a stupid bugger.

Oh, wait, that's not real? Um...

Seriously though, I've never seen so many people misconstrue, misunderstand, or deliberately manufacture the enemy the want rather than the one they have since... Gamergate. The ride truly never ends.

Blogger Unknown September 08, 2017 6:28 PM  

That they think GG is over, much less lost, is all I need to know.

Anonymous BanjoStrap September 08, 2017 6:30 PM  

" warned you guys months ago that Vox was trying to redefine the altright to suit him."

It's like these people weren't around back when your were being accused of being a Sith Lord of the Dark Enlightenment. The AltRight has been cultivating for years and years and your presence in and influence on it's development, intentional or not, was there back when these guys were still voting for Obama.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 08, 2017 6:34 PM  

The Stormpoopers eat paste at adult daycare and will save western civilization by wearing their swastika panties in public.

Gosh, how can the Evil Legion of Evil compete?

Has Anglin bravely run away from tomorrow's debate yet, or is that not due for a couple of hours?

Anonymous VFM #7916 September 08, 2017 6:38 PM  

I keep talking about 4GW and the moral highground to commenters on Gab. I don't think they realize that their tactics are comparable to the boot on the face in Islamic cultures, and about as effective in converting normies to their way of thinking.

One may merely view the timeline of @Spacebunny to see the difference. I know which side would redpill more normies.

Anonymous VFM #7916 September 08, 2017 6:40 PM  

It's really a matter of time preference. As I've noted, Reichtards love the short term dopamine hit of the shitpoast, and have to care for the long term perception of who has the better ownership of "Alt-Right"

Anonymous VFM #7916 September 08, 2017 6:41 PM  

Edit: "No care"

Blogger ZhukovG September 08, 2017 6:41 PM  

Alt-West IS the Alt-Right.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 08, 2017 6:44 PM  

How does someone with a straight face type "Vox's attempt to launch a coup will fail just as badly as gamergate did."? Okay, I think we're reaching KKK-levels of "there are 10 ppl in this room, and 9 are Feds" levels of infiltration. GG is still haunting the dreams of the entire "gaming journalism" field. It had another dust up this week!

Gamergate is going to be looked back as like Tours by the time this is done. What was actually a small victory will play out as a tide change of history. Truly, the ride never ends. Forth, Eorlingas!

Also, these self-professing geniuses don't realize you can't reconstruct group that lost the war in the culture that beat them.

@11 BanjoStrap

There's a very clear trend that all of these people are internally very weak. Their "identity" isn't defined and they lack the ability to define it themselves. They're little different than all of those think pieces obsessed with "Blackness". This is why they've rode from supporting Obama to suddenly being "Alt-Right".

They need external validation because their inner being is too weak. There's a reason I suggested The Nine Laws in a previous thread. (And not just because Ivan showed up.) They're just a bunch of filth-spewing wallflowers looking for another Alpha to give them the time of day. (Explains their desire to make Trump support them.)

Female, Gamma or Gay? At this point, it's hard to tell the difference. "FGG?". I'll need to remember that one.

Anonymous Andrew Anglin September 08, 2017 6:46 PM  

VD hides out in Italy; I still must evade the (((process server))) by hiding out in Lagos. Then there's a couple faggots - Milo and Greg - and some other idiots and inconsequentials...Tzernovits, Spencer, etc. I fear we will all be swept away before a real hardRight leader emerges from the chaos.

Blogger Mastermind September 08, 2017 6:55 PM  

There is simply no way for Vox to win this. Not only has his brilliant idea of suing people for making fun of him on the internet made a lot of people on the right sour on him, but even if he successfully sued them, won, and squeezed all their cash he would still lose. It's a complete waste of time. The threat of a lawsuit hasn't even phased the people being targeted, let alone the rest of the nazi larpers who would simply have to avoid calling him a pedo in the future. The larpers are virtually invincible. Nothing can be done to most of them. But Vox can lose by wasting time, energy and built up goodwill on the right acting like a sjw.

Blogger lowercaseb September 08, 2017 6:56 PM  

It's a shame...but who am I to get in the way of their losing when they wave the flag of the biggest losers in history. That's commitment...and good for our country as it makes sure that plenty of FBI agents won't lose their pensions for lack of undercover work.

Blogger Elocutioner September 08, 2017 6:57 PM  

They're unteachable. A dismissal like "March off, Reichtard" is needed and then we can complete the Reich Genocide. No more arguments, just mockery.

(Alinsky may have been a bastard but his tactics are effective.)

Blogger SmockMan September 08, 2017 6:59 PM  

The Alt Retard:

"Charlotesville was a huge victory"

"Vox making a huge mistake"

"GG was a huge loss"

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 6:59 PM  

This is my answer to all the AA Larpers who project that VD and the Ilk are bullying, attempting a takeover, and etc.

VD , the Ilk, and his minions do not bully me, and I am not one of them. Yet, I respect them, as they have a unifying vision, and what is going on with them is not bullying, it is the loose connections in an organic intelligent group. They have "A grand ideal (Christian Western Civilization).... that represents a coherent worldview within which individuals as well as society can shape and adapt to unfolding events." This also allows them to expose flaws in destructive or competing systems. But, it is not top-down or authoritarian bullying. Here is three German words used by elite troops during the Blizkrieg:
schwerpunkt - Focus of effort
fingerspitzenefuhl = fingertip feel,
Auftragstaktik - Being able to hold together and do what is necessary without direct command.
What these words are about is a loose knit group held together by a unifying vision that allows them to work together without authoritarian control, and it requires extreme trust throughout.

Blogger Flair1239 September 08, 2017 7:01 PM  

I was supporting Vox until they started calling him "Vox Gay". Then I was scared that people would think I was gay.

Those Stormers operate on a pretty sophisticated level.

Blogger Anno Ruse September 08, 2017 7:03 PM  

Alt-Retard: "1776 was a huge loss! The Jews wrote half the Constitution!"

But you can see how snappy their Aryan minds are. They took Vox Day and turned it into Vox GAY. Oh no, what will he do now?

Anonymous andon September 08, 2017 7:04 PM  

the only thing created by this blog any more is division

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass September 08, 2017 7:05 PM  

Oh noes! Stormpoopers convinced of win!

Can't wait for all these Alt Reichtard bints to leave us the hell alone after you pwn Anglin.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 08, 2017 7:05 PM  

Let them (Anglin and co) rave on. That men may know them mad.

Blogger Shizmoo September 08, 2017 7:05 PM  

The dailystormer is back! Come join us on normieweb:

https://dailystormer.at/

And if we get shut down again we will always be on pedoweb:

https://dstormer6em3i4km.onion.link/

Also you can read Andrew Anglin's personal blog at:

https://andrewanglinblog.wordpress.com

and gab:

https://gab.ai/AndrewAnglin

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 7:07 PM  

Hopefully this is on topic.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 7:10 PM  

But Vox... don't you understand... They've said mean things about your to each other on the internet!!!

Anonymous Why tho September 08, 2017 7:10 PM  

I found your blog recently, it seems to have lots of interesting content. I'm puzzled about what you are doing though, why are you giving this kind of attention to the alt-right? Wouldn't be better just a post or two trying to offer some guidance for those who believe it to be an authentic political movement?

Blogger Alexander Thompson September 08, 2017 7:15 PM  

This is all he talks about the same week Trump cucks out.

At least the stormers are in America.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 08, 2017 7:17 PM  

It's a stretch to say that Milo hasn't noticed when he's clearly come out of his battles of the past year much worse off.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 7:19 PM  

The hilarious thing is... these people have adopted wholesale giant themes that were created and cultivated on this blog... their understanding of rhetoric came from this blog.. even if they've never read this blog before. Their understanding of game... came from this blog (and alphagame) even if they've never read it before.

they have ingrained all of these things this blog created. and yet they think they can somehow win... by shouting angrily at each other.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 7:19 PM  

What's the over/under on no-show by the Anglins tomorrow?

Anonymous Viiidad September 08, 2017 7:19 PM  

andon wrote:the only thing created by this blog any more is division

I'm assuming you divided the word "anymore" as emphasis, Peleg? Or perhaps you're British, though they generally capitalize sentences. Either way, you need to go back.

Anonymous CoolHand September 08, 2017 7:20 PM  

Alexander Thompson wrote:At least the stormers are in America.

Yes, much better to ally yourself with the imbeciles close at hand than to use modern communication methods to seek out wiser council farther afield.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 08, 2017 7:20 PM  

@22 SmockMan

Yup. And they're already trying to claim victory for tomorrow's loss.

Reminds me a bit of a discussion I had recently. There are Men in their 60s to 80s around that spent their entire lives building nothing but failure, but they lack the introspection to realize they are nothing but failures. We're just seeing some of their descendants being failures to a level that they won't even have children. Sad!

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Anonymous Viiidad September 08, 2017 7:22 PM  

Alexander Thompson wrote:This is all he talks about the same week Trump cucks out.

At least the stormers are in America.


gay

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 7:23 PM  

@18 "Andrew Anglin"
VD hides out in Italy; I still must evade the (((process server))) by hiding out in Lagos.

While you're there, could you look up the address of a certain Nigerian Prince? Asking for a friend.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2017 7:24 PM  

And Vox one of them called you a... a... prairie Jew!


If I knew what the hell that meant, I'm sure it would be bad.

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 7:27 PM  

@23 Auftragstaktik - Being able to hold together and do what is necessary without direct command.

The grand daddy of 4GW?
(I must say, 4GW is WAY easier to pronounce!)

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 7:29 PM  

@26 the only thing created by this blog any more is division

Yes, we're trying to "divide out' the Alt Reich!

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 7:29 PM  

OT, from Instapundit:

ALEX POURNELLE TEXTS:

Hi
I’m afraid that Jerry passed away
We had a great time at DragonCon
He did not suffer. Please feel free to post this news.

Anonymous Rhino September 08, 2017 7:32 PM  

Nate wrote:The hilarious thing is... these people have adopted wholesale giant themes that were created and cultivated on this blog... their understanding of rhetoric came from this blog.. even if they've never read this blog before. Their understanding of game... came from this blog (and alphagame) even if they've never read it before.

they have ingrained all of these things this blog created. and yet they think they can somehow win... by shouting angrily at each other.



Oh, gaawd. This blog invented all the things. Source of all wisdom. Spare me.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 7:35 PM  

@46 James Dixon

Very sad news. Not surprising, but still sad.
Well, this weekend I shall re-read Janissaries. With a whisky.

Anonymous Chrome Dynamo September 08, 2017 7:35 PM  

Heck, Vox Day can "define" alt-right how he wants. The 16 points are a good start. Enuff people buy in and there will be an alt-right. If not, well, knows what will oppose the sjws and their ilk.
(OT. @#12 "Stormpoopers eat paste" I thought library paste was one of the 4 food groups when I was a tyke.)

Just my copper coated zinc 2 cents worth.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 7:37 PM  

"Oh, gaawd. This blog invented all the things. Source of all wisdom. Spare me."

ever called anyone a churchian? or talked about Churchianity?

Do you know what a gamma male is? How about an Omega?

Lefties being rabbit people is anonymous conservative's thing... but the main reason its a common meme is because of the traction it got here.

We took over the Hugos. We did that. We built infogalactic.

You?

You sit in your pathetic little echo chamber and shout about other people. And when you actually bother to do something... well you end up the laughing stock of the whole damn world.

Tiki torches.

FFS.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 7:38 PM  

"Heck, Vox Day can "define" alt-right how he wants. The 16 points are a good start. Enuff people buy in and there will be an alt-right"

There already is an alt-right. the 16 points are describing the movement that already exists.

Blogger PropagandistHacker September 08, 2017 7:39 PM  

torba of gab has responded:
https://gab.ai/a/posts/11850120

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 7:40 PM  

> What's the over/under on no-show by the Anglins tomorrow?

I wouldn't touch that bet with a 10 foot cattle prod.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 08, 2017 7:40 PM  

Vox The Happy Warrior.

That what was meant by gay, right?

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 7:43 PM  

"ALEX POURNELLE TEXTS:

Hi
I’m afraid that Jerry passed away
We had a great time at DragonCon
He did not suffer. Please feel free to post this news."


Damn.


Anonymous Sharrukin September 08, 2017 7:45 PM  

So the enemies are...

Taylor
David Duke
Spencer
Enoch
Hunter Wallace
Anglin


and now even Torba.

Is there anybody left who hasn't had a Vox Day Jihad declared against them?

Anonymous Looking Glass September 08, 2017 7:46 PM  

@43 Cataline Sergius

I actually had to look that one up. There's an Urban Dictionary definition, which is good, as almost no one uses it. It's slang for Amish. No joke. What part of Vox is "anti-electronics, farm building German"?

It's not the insults; it's the stupidity of the insults that confound.


@46 James Dixon

A great loss for all.

Anonymous Viiidad September 08, 2017 7:47 PM  

Torba:

https://gab.ai/a/posts/11850120

He's starting to sound like Scalzi.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 7:50 PM  

@57 Looking Glass

It's not the insults; it's the stupidity of the insults that confound.


The stupid just keeps piling up. Remember, Nate called it.
Except that alt Retards are not just useless, they are poo-flinging retarded monkeys that actively mess things up.

Anonymous Justin Bailey September 08, 2017 7:50 PM  

@52 Yeah Torba is burning bridges as fast as he can. He's decided the alt-retard trolls are his best allies. As much as he protests Gab being called a Nazi site, he's giving them cover and free reign to run wild.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 7:51 PM  

"Is there anybody left who hasn't had a Vox Day Jihad declared against them?"

Vox has gone out of his way to support Gab and Torba. And he is still today refusing to insult Torba or Gab. He has not declared jihad in anyway.

Torba is the one declaring jihad on Vox.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 08, 2017 7:51 PM  

Sharrukin wrote:So the enemies are...

Taylor

David Duke

Spencer

Enoch

Hunter Wallace

Anglin

and now even Torba.

Is there anybody left who hasn't had a Vox Day Jihad declared against them?



Alt-lite buddies :/

Anonymous Justin Bailey September 08, 2017 7:52 PM  

And now Torba is BFF with AA. Just lol.

https://gab.ai/a/posts/11851135

Blogger ace September 08, 2017 7:54 PM  

I had a dream last night that I was holed up in a building with a bunch of nazis. They claimed they were going to have a 'last stand' and then one of them gave me a luger in exchange for the perfectly functional pistol I already had. They claimed it couldn't be traced, or whatever. I opened up the magazine and found the gun to be full of dried leaves. When I complained about it and asked for my gun back he gave me an AKS with no stock or bullets, which I tossed aside. A murmur then started up about Trump showing up and saving them. Trump did walk in, shortly after, and he told them all to leave. Fin.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 7:55 PM  

"The stupid just keeps piling up. Remember, Nate called it.
Except that alt Retards are not just useless, they are poo-flinging retarded monkeys that actively mess things up. "

Animal Mother and I both called it. and if you recall the point wasn't just that they were useless. We said they are actively counter-productive.. either through malignant stupidity or malicious indifference.

These pieces of human ejectus don't actually even have a cause beyond shit posting. That's the sum of their lives. They've never accomplished anything and never will.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 7:57 PM  

@65 Nate
I stand corrected and in agreement.

Anonymous Sharrukin September 08, 2017 7:57 PM  

61. Nate September 08, 2017 7:51 PM

Torba is the one declaring jihad on Vox.

"The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you."

Blogger Wolfman at Large September 08, 2017 7:58 PM  

Okay everyone let's assume Vox completely loses the opening stage of this campaign to denazify the alt-right. The following will stay have been accomplished.

-Creating separation between the Alt-West and Alt-Reich well before they inevitably implode (like such groups always do.)
-Strengening Gab's legal defences BEFORE the Left can launch a genuine attack.
-Forcing the more intelligent elements of the Alt-White to re-examine their tactics and goals (something that hasn't really been done post-Election.

This is what happens if Vox COMPLETELY LOSES. How likely is that to happen? Against a bunch of edgy teenagers, with deep seated emotional problems and no actual ideas of their own?

There is no lose condition here especially if you look at things from a wider perspective. There is only win and WIN HARDER.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 7:58 PM  

> And now Torba is BFF with AA. Just lol.

Which will backfire in a big way. They have no concept of loyalty and will turn on him eventually. But everyone has to make their own mistakes.

Blogger Desdichado September 08, 2017 7:59 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:And Vox one of them called you a... a... prairie Jew!

If I knew what the hell that meant, I'm sure it would be bad.

Wow, that phrase really hits me like a... well, not exactly like a cheetah, but maybe like a prairie dog.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 08, 2017 7:59 PM  

What is it about Vox that makes people lose their minds?

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:00 PM  

Years ago at a Southern Nationalism event in birmingham called Rock The Cradle... we had a few guys show up in klan gear and with nazi flags.

we had nice white men in nice black suits quickly remove them.

One of the idiots with the nazi flag spit on one of our guys. So they politely beat the shit out of him.

good times... good times...

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 08, 2017 8:00 PM  

More of Gab's Torba. Ouch:

"Free speech is great just don't say mean things about me!"


Lol.
-----
"Muh defamation"

"Muh libel"

Call your lawyer lmfao.

You're a public figure, expect to be defamed on the internet.

I live this every single day.

What a total joke.
-----
Imagine thinking you can email me and get me to suspend users who hurt your feelings at will.

Not gonna happen folks.

Not gonna happen.
-----
"Muh ego"

The biggest problem on the internet.

Blogger Montrose September 08, 2017 8:00 PM  

I don't understand what's with the drama and it seems counterproductive. The only positive thing to come out of it was that my respect for Torba as a crazy idealist has increased significantly, enough so that I got some shares. Hopefully the frictions are temporary.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 8:00 PM  

The worst thing about this is I've had to unfollow SB on Gab just to be able to keep up with things. :(

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:01 PM  

"What is it about Vox that makes people lose their minds?"

well that's a strange use of the term "people".

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:02 PM  

"I don't understand what's with the drama and it seems counterproductive"

That's because counter-productive is all these idiot stormers know.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 8:03 PM  

> Hopefully the frictions are temporary.

That's up to the other side, not us. I'm doing my best to stay out of it, but damn the alt-retards make that hard.

Blogger Robert Browning September 08, 2017 8:04 PM  

Anglin is one of us. Where as VD just wants to lead us.

Blogger Mastermind September 08, 2017 8:04 PM  

@69 Torba sacrificed everything to create a free speech alternative to Twitter and Vox turned into an active threat to free speech and openly brags about how he will force Torba to abandon his principles using the guns of the state. It's not surprising at all Torba views it as a backstab.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 8:05 PM  

@79 Robert Browning
Anglin is one of us.

Which one?

Where as VD just wants to lead us.

See, this is the kind of stupid there is no cure for.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:07 PM  

"The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you.""

See?

This is what I'm talking about. it takes a special kind of window licker to post a comment like this on the same thread where several different people are documenting Torba's insults and attacks.

I mean these idiots don't even read. They scan while thinking of the next thing they can say.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 8:08 PM  

> Anglin is one of us.

So you're self identifying as an FBI plant now?

> Where as VD just wants to lead us.

What part of Sigma don't you understand?

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:08 PM  

"Where as VD just wants to lead us."

You blithering idiot. He doesn't want to lead you. He doesn't want to lead anything. He doesn't even want to lead his own damn publishing house.

He wants what we all want. We want you to disappear.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 8:08 PM  

@65 Shit posting played a pivotal part in getting Trump elected. Nazi memes and overtly insulting language directed at journos and politicians caused them to overreact, like a deranged man swatting at a cloud of gnats. But a key part of why that tactic worked was that normies didn't know the gnats were there.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 8:09 PM  

@82 Nate
I mean these idiots don't even read. They scan while thinking of the next thing they can say.

Well, that's a strange use of the term "think".

Blogger Lazarus September 08, 2017 8:10 PM  

"Magnanimous Fist of Iron".

I'm stealing that.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 08, 2017 8:14 PM  

Maybe Torba's account got hacked?

Otherwise, wear back armor around the Stormpoopers, good sir.

Blogger SmockMan September 08, 2017 8:14 PM  

Andrew trying to shame vox into dropping the lawsuit does not seem wise.

Blogger Eric Steiger September 08, 2017 8:14 PM  

All their other victories to date?
What victories have they ever won?
Did I miss something?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2017 8:16 PM  

@57 Looking Glass

I think when the window-licker in question called Vox a Prairie Jew he was combining Jew with Prairie Nigger.

Understandable that you weren't familiar with it.

It's not a common term outside of plain states trailer parks.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:17 PM  

"Well, that's a strange use of the term "think". "

fair.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 08, 2017 8:18 PM  

One of the idiots with the nazi flag spit on one of our guys. So they politely beat the shit out of him.

Southern Nationalism confirmed as best nationalism.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:19 PM  

"All their other victories to date? "

yes. they are referring to the time they yelled insults about milo to each other on the internet. and other times when they yelled insults about Cernovich to each other on the internet.


Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:19 PM  

"Southern Nationalism confirmed as best nationalism. "

Roll Tide.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 08, 2017 8:19 PM  

Gab didn't have these problems until the stormers showed up. They're why we can't have nice things.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 8:22 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@23 Auftragstaktik - Being able to hold together and do what is necessary without direct command.

The grand daddy of 4GW?

(I must say, 4GW is WAY easier to pronounce!)


Avalanche: Yeah, the true great, great, granddad of 4GW was 2400 years ago with Sun Tzu, as 75-80% of it was written way back then.

Anonymous Steve September 08, 2017 8:22 PM  

Considering that they fought a war against Milo and Milo didn't notice

Small dogs often think there's some sort of deadly rivalry going on between themselves and passing cars.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 8:22 PM  

> Did I miss something?

Not that I'm aware of.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:23 PM  

'Gab didn't have these problems until the stormers showed up. They're why we can't have nice things. '

this is far truer than you imagine.

Anonymous Sharrukin September 08, 2017 8:24 PM  

82. Nate September 08, 2017 8:07 PM

I mean these idiots don't even read.

We can read and we even have the ability to retain some of it which is more than I can say for you.

they are not acceding to my request for the personal information of the three users responsible for the defamation, which means that we will have to force their compliance through the legal process. - Vox Day

Gosh Torba should really be thanking Vox Day for the lawsuit.

Mr Free Speech my ass.

Blogger Dr. Nguyen Van Phauc September 08, 2017 8:25 PM  

GG failed to conserve video games, in the same way that Conservatives failed to conserve the women's restroom

In both cases people did get mad about it though

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2017 8:26 PM  

yes. they are referring to the time they yelled insults about milo to each other on the internet. and other times when they yelled insults about Cernovich to each other on the internet.

Presumably they will declare victory after the debate. Yay them. Black Shorts forever.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 08, 2017 8:26 PM  

@91 Cataline Sergius

Very possible. Some of Vox's interactions with the Stormpoopers was a lot like the scene in Back To The Future where they're insulting Marty and they don't make sense.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 08, 2017 8:26 PM  

Absolute free speech doesn't exist.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 8:27 PM  

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Anonymous User September 08, 2017 8:28 PM  

"You have one group who marched with tiki torches and another who is building alternative tech platforms. The smart money is on the tech guys"

You mean like Torba?

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 8:29 PM  

I don't think Torba realizes how big of a hole he's now dug for himself.

There's no good ending anymore. He either gets slapped down like a bitch by lawyers, or the sets the precedent that he'll treat any and all defamation as acceptable.

Blogger Anno Ruse September 08, 2017 8:31 PM  

I'm not as patient or forgiving as Vox. Torba has shown his true colors. He's fighting with SJW tactics now. Fuck him. Abandon Gab and build your own social media service, VD.

Anonymous Eduardo the Magnificent September 08, 2017 8:32 PM  

So, Nazis are prematurely declaring victory?


Seems I've seen this movie before...

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 8:33 PM  

"There's no good ending anymore. He either gets slapped down like a bitch by lawyers, or the sets the precedent that he'll treat any and all defamation as acceptable."

Straight to an absurd absolute dichotomy. Read this and count how many you're using http://www.mnei.nl/schopenhauer/38-stratagems.htm . You already checked #1 off the list.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 08, 2017 8:33 PM  

Assuming the Stormers don't get bored and move on like the locusts they are, they're going to attact the the same normies who think the mute button solves everything.

Blogger Mastermind September 08, 2017 8:34 PM  

@109 Vox wants to sue people for making fun of him on the Internet and you think TORBA is fighting with SJW tactics?

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 08, 2017 8:34 PM  

You've posted 17 times in the thread, Nate. Make yourself a pot of tea and regroup. Don't let the internet get to you.

Blogger DeploraBard September 08, 2017 8:34 PM  

Is there an age break down here? I am pushing 50 and think it probable those under 25 are not going to do anything the way we did/do. They may fail spectacularly and never learn as long as the burn is highly entertaining. A perpetual breakdown. A redeemed heart changes a man. Not political affiliation. Are there enough clear headed youths to take over? I work directly with 18-22 year olds. Social change is limiting their opportunity learn from their mistakes.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 8:36 PM  

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Blogger Cail Corishev September 08, 2017 8:37 PM  

It's like these people weren't around back when your were being accused of being a Sith Lord of the Dark Enlightenment.

Based on my own experience, I think there's a fair amount of ignorance on each side about the other. I'd vaguely heard of Daily Stormer before, but I'd never heard of Anglin until this kerfuffle, nor any of the other luminaries at Charlottesville except Spencer. Now maybe that's because I don't pay much attention to them, and I know some here had more experience with them, but I'm probably not alone in that, and I suspect the same is true in reverse.

So there are two groups that both think themselves the future of the Right. The Alt-Reich think they are because they've been at it longer (at least in their eyes, but I'd say that's probably true, since many of us were recently conservative or some form of Alt-Lite), and because Spencer once ran alternativeright.com. On the other hand, we think we're the future because our ideas are in line with reality. So our reasons are orthogonal; their reason isn't necessarily wrong, and it might win out if our reason wasn't better.

I think many of them did think they were the only serious right-wing game in town until very recently, and that's part of why they're having trouble getting up to speed on what's going on. That and the fact that they're very dumb.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 8:38 PM  

@94 Trolling Hillary Clinton into giving a speech about Nazi frogs was pretty great.

Blogger ronehjr September 08, 2017 8:38 PM  

These stormer idiots are following the Hitler playbook right up to the part where they are making war on everybody, even those who should be their allies. The only difference is now nobody cares enough to put them out of their misery.

Blogger JACIII September 08, 2017 8:41 PM  

Altretard is always looking for Dear Leader. No one wants to be their leader but a wannabe media whore, a fed, or an infiltrator. They fall for them all. Every. Time.
Go away Altretard. Join antifa. It's where you belong.

Blogger Anno Ruse September 08, 2017 8:44 PM  

@120 don't worry, Andrew Torba is going to be their new leader. With his embrace of "free speech" even if it means sidling up with Nazis and Sieg Heiling with them against those bastards who might sue for defamation, he's gonna get the job done!

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:45 PM  

"Gosh Torba should really be thanking Vox Day for the lawsuit.

Mr Free Speech my ass."

1) Free speech doesn't exist and never has.

2) Torba's position is begging for a lawsuit. Better that he learn that now from a friend than from an actual enemy bent on shutting Gab down.

Vox is doing Torba a favor... and Torba is to stupid to realize it.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 8:46 PM  

The Daily Stormer is just offensive racial and political humor, which has a long and proud tradition: http://imgur.com/gallery/94Jue

It's not a fucking political movement, but like all entertainment it does have some propaganda properties.

I have a pretty good idea of what Vox's real game plan is, but for reasons that are obvious to anyone who is as smart as the average poster here claims to be, I'm not going to write it here.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 8:47 PM  

Pretty soon Paul Ryan, John McCain, and the remainder of ISIS will ally with AA. He's on a roll.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 8:48 PM  

@122 "Free speech doesn't exist and never has"
Category mistake. Existence isn't a property of ideals.

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 08, 2017 8:48 PM  

The only positive thing to come out of it was that my respect for Torba as a crazy idealist has increased significantly

If what we're seeing can be taken at face value, then my respect for and trust in Torba has decreased significantly.

Idealism is morally neutral and means nothing unless it's attached to a worldview and an ultimate goal. Free speech isn't a worldview and it isn't a goal. What is Torba's worldview? What ultimate goal does the principle of free speech further?

If he doesn't know, then his crazy idealism means nothing, and Gab is less likely to succeed.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 8:50 PM  

They are not serious, it's all the lutz, no it's serious, it's not serious. it's all just Memes, yada, yada, yada???!!!

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:52 PM  

"Category mistake. Existence isn't a property of ideals."

Limitless speech as an ideal ends with idiots from the Daily Stormer shouting BOMB at airports then giggling to themselves.

Blogger Dr. Nguyen Van Phauc September 08, 2017 8:52 PM  

"He wants what we all want. We want you to disappear. "

Nobody can actually kick 1488 off the internet though. It's just a core part of internet culture that's not going away, because the bad guys told a lot of lies about WW2 and relied on those lies do a lot of heavy lifting. And people noticed.

Nobody really knows what Hitler was actually like but nowadays he's the devil in the Jewish moral system. And given Jewish control of our society, this gives him a certain deep relevance to everyone else's morality as well.

Trying to "take out 1488" is like punching at a swarm of insects, as the conservatives learned during the primary, and the liberals learned during the general, and you're learning now.

In theory someone could take out all the core alt-right e-celebs, but those guys aren't actually 1488 anyway, they're moderate commonsensical softies who have been pressured to move further right by the grassroots. And after getting rid of them you'd be up against /pol.

As it turns out, you couldn't even take on a guy with no platform on the normie web, on your home turf. Instead you burned bridges with your alt-tech friends, alienated neutral observers and left Anglin looking chilled out and magnanimous. Which he is.

What's your end game? Does this have something to do with Cernovich's recent decision to... praise antifa?

It certainly doesn't make sense to be mad because people didn't want Milo in the Alt-Right. He's a Jewish neo-con, he has nothing to do with Alt-Right ideas and it wasn't us who destroyed his career, but his own big mouth.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 08, 2017 8:53 PM  

ronehjr wrote:These stormer idiots are following the Hitler playbook right up to the part where they are making war on everybody, even those who should be their allies. The only difference is now nobody cares enough to put them out of their misery.

Vox is currently making war with many more factions than the alt-reich is, including many individuals/groups that aren't Nazis.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 8:55 PM  

@123 User
The Daily Stormer is just offensive racial and political humor, which has a long and proud tradition: http://imgur.com/gallery/94Jue

Something good from the 70's? Impressive. Written by a Boomertard? Remarkable.

It's not a fucking political movement

Don't tell us, tell your pals with the swastika panties all twisted up. Pick an Anglin, any of them.

Blogger Dr. Nguyen Van Phauc September 08, 2017 8:56 PM  

"Is there an age break down here? I am pushing 50 and think it probable those under 25 are not going to do anything the way we did/do"

Yes, the Alt-Retard is mostly teens and 20s, with the more established e-celebs being slightly older GenXers

So you guys are attacking the next generation of your movement... and arguing with little kids on the internet

Blogger Cail Corishev September 08, 2017 8:58 PM  

Is there anybody left who hasn't had a Vox Day Jihad declared against them?

Well, you, for instance. You've been pretty critical, but you've also been reasonable and polite and thus provided a worthwhile perspective, it seems to me. Has he taken a swipe at you at all?

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 08, 2017 8:58 PM  

Vox wants to sue people for making fun of him on the Internet and you think TORBA is fighting with SJW tactics?

Vox has endured the worst sorts of insults and mockery for years - including death threats - and he's ignored 99% of it. He truly does not care about any attempts to harm his ego. But this is intention to harm his reputation, of the most vile and vicious sort. There's a reason libel is against the law - sometimes at the criminal level - and insults aren't.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 08, 2017 8:59 PM  

Maybe the little kids on the internet will learn something.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 08, 2017 8:59 PM  

@131
"Pick an Anglin, any of them."

Libel; expect a letter from lawyers, reeeeee.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:59 PM  

"Trying to "take out 1488" is like punching at a swarm of insects, as the conservatives learned during the primary, and the liberals learned during the general, and you're learning now."

You're very impressed with the 12 lardass zitfaced bitches carrying tiki torches.

Ya know... you seem very impressed with Anglin. You know we have at least one Dread Ilk that taught little Andrew in Sunday School.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 08, 2017 9:00 PM  

So you guys are attacking the next generation of your movement... and arguing with little kids on the internet

Kids need to be slapped around sometimes.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 9:01 PM  

I do wonder if it occurs to any of these window licking losers screaming about Vox's fragile ego... that they are here saying all of this stuff... right on Vox's blog.

And his ego is so fragile... He leaves it here.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 9:02 PM  

"So you guys are attacking the next generation of your movement... and arguing with little kids on the internet"

They are not the next generation of any movement. They are the useless counter-productive idiots that burn everything down around them then blame you for the ashes.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 9:03 PM  

@128 Rights are completely meaningless without their dual and that is duties. Because of that, limitless free speech isn't an ideal, it's just incoherent. And like any incoherent concept it leads to idiocy as you rightly observe.

That's a useful filter to understand part of this dispute. Vox asserts various anonymous Trolls owe him a duty (to issue apologies and perhaps make restitution for a wrong) and that Torba also owes him a duty (to help him defend his right to not be defamed). Torba clearly doesn't believe he owes Vox that duty. So now Vox is going to seek legal redress to answer those questions.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 08, 2017 9:05 PM  

Legal LARP
-----
Andrew Torba · @a

"Muh legal legion of super hero guys in capes and stuff!"


Lmfao

Blogger Kristophr September 08, 2017 9:05 PM  

Dr. Nguyen Van Phauc wrote:
...

So you guys are attacking the next generation of your movement... and arguing with little kids on the internet


Those kids are paste eaters who chose to wear the swastica panties. We don't particularly want low IQ alt-retards in the alt-right movement. You can keep them.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 9:06 PM  

No, 'User', that is actually the doctors that *he has staked out*. That, and going straight to public mockery over legal complaints is a shit plan for a CEO.

Now stop using before you OD.

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 9:06 PM  

@46 Oh, how sad. Still, he went out with a smile?

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 9:06 PM  

"Torba clearly doesn't believe he owes Vox that duty."

Torba is a fool. if I tell a lie... and the New York Times publishes that lie... magnifying the negative impact of that lie... the New York Times can be liable.


Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 9:07 PM  

Torba should get this... but having an IQ of just 158... he's a little slow.

Blogger Kristophr September 08, 2017 9:09 PM  

Nate wrote:Torba should get this... but having an IQ of just 158... he's a little slow.

Torba is suffering from IANAL, the worst kind of anal.

He needs to seek legal council before this blows up on him. The correct response is to shut up about this, wait for paper to be served, and follow his lawyers advice concerning said paper.

Blogger JACIII September 08, 2017 9:09 PM  

Anno Ruse wrote:@120 don't worry, Andrew Torba is going to be their new leader. With his embrace of "free speech" even if it means sidling up with Nazis and Sieg Heiling with them against those bastards who might sue for defamation, he's gonna get the job done!

I'm a Torba fan. The dude is out there carrying the load against Twitter/facebook et al. Ain't nobody perfect. We all stumble. Here's hoping the extant pissing match is a pebble in the road and not sinkhole.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 9:09 PM  

@146 I guess we'll see!

"This means that if you allow reader comments on your web site, host guest bloggers or citizen journalists or otherwise accept user-generated content, you are generally not responsible for certain claims, including defamation, stemming from that content, provided it is submitted by a third party."

https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/digital-journalists-legal-guide/immunity-reader-comments-under-section-23

Blogger Cail Corishev September 08, 2017 9:11 PM  

Yes, the Alt-Retard is mostly teens and 20s, with the more established e-celebs being slightly older GenXers

So you guys are attacking the next generation of your movement


Look again at what you just wrote there. We're not actually attacking anyone; we're responding to attacks. But pretend we were: who again are we attacking, exactly?

Blogger Ransom Smith September 08, 2017 9:11 PM  

Torba is a Yankee. So his lack of understanding of conflict is to be expected.

Blogger Kristophr September 08, 2017 9:13 PM  

User wrote:@146 I guess we'll see!

"This means that if you allow reader comments on your web site, host guest bloggers or citizen journalists or otherwise accept user-generated content, you are generally not responsible for certain claims, including defamation, stemming from that content, provided it is submitted by a third party."



Amazing. The broken clock shows the correct time twice a day!

Yes. If Torba hands over the IP of the named "anonymous" defendants, and bins their spew, he walks away without a scratch.

Which is exactly what Vox is planning. Have a cookie.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 9:13 PM  

Dichotomy, not doctors

Blogger rondolf September 08, 2017 9:13 PM  

Charlottesvillain, in the case of nazis all Vox is doing is putting things in there proper category, which has made crazy people make it obvious how crazy they are. In the case of GAB, in a more civilized time he would have been allowed to find those committing libel and do very bad things to them, and the rest of the world would have cheered.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 9:17 PM  

@154 Forgive me for not further engaging with someone who is too worked up to proofread his own comments before hitting publish.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 9:18 PM  

I wonder how much it burns these losers that they have a net negative contribution to the culture war, while a Swedish gamer has helpfully shifted the political spectrum of Millennial and gen-Z gamers significantly to the right. I mean, that really has to burn.

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 9:19 PM  

@101 Gosh Torba should really be thanking Vox Day for the lawsuit.

Okay, having watched Vox pointing out the sleight of word and misdirection our God Emperor used over and over on the enemies in the campaign... I cannot help wondering if there is at LEAST one (or ten) more layer(s) to what is going on here... No earthly idea what it (they) might be, but I rest secure in the assumption that Vox, at least, is probably NOT making a mistake.

Blogger Kristophr September 08, 2017 9:19 PM  

User wrote:@154 Forgive me for not further engaging with someone who is too worked up to proofread his own comments before hitting publish.

I suppose you have never committed a typo before hitting send? It looks like it is now more than a minute since you showed the correct time.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 9:20 PM  

@User - Do what you like, you're still wrong.

Anonymous llsepher September 08, 2017 9:20 PM  

Not to accept their erroneous frame that they are the real Alt-Right, but sure, we are throwing a coup. The Alt-Right will be ours.

Blogger Mastermind September 08, 2017 9:20 PM  

@134 No, that's nuts. It's just another set of insults. Insults that Vox himself advised others to use. He is not being defamed, he's being made fun of. The only thing hurting his reputation is his war on gab. Previously it was just an ill advised pissing match with nazi larpers. Now he's gonna piss off people who were previously sympathetic to him, all so he can get back at a handful of irrelevant nobodies.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 9:21 PM  

@153 Again, we'll see.

https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/digital-journalists-legal-guide/anonymous-speech-online-when-must-identit

Anonymous Ooh lol lol September 08, 2017 9:21 PM  

Vox thought that as SUPREME DARK LORD he could control Torba. Unfortunately for Vox, Torba is not a complete fucking loser and doesn't like to roleplay as the online minion of a dorky fantasy author. This is what happens when you build a weird personality cult/echo chamber and surround yourself with sycophants like Vox has. The guy has simply lost touch with reality. The effect has even extended to the brainwashed Ilk. I'm going to talk with my people about setting up some sort of re-education camp for former Ilk. Folks, you don't have to continue roleplaying as lackeys to the Dark Lord of the Burned Anus. There is another way. This ship is going down, you don't want to go down with it.

Blogger Kristophr September 08, 2017 9:21 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@101 Gosh Torba should really be thanking Vox Day for the lawsuit.

Okay, having watched Vox pointing out the sleight of word and misdirection our God Emperor used over and over on the enemies in the campaign... I cannot help wondering if there is at LEAST one (or ten) more layer(s) to what is going on here... No earthly idea what it (they) might be, but I rest secure in the assumption that Vox, at least, is probably NOT making a mistake.


Welp, the first bit of misdirection has the swastica panty crowd assuming that Torba is the lawsuit target, and that they can somehow hide behind him.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 08, 2017 9:22 PM  

@1472 Nate

Torba has had a rough week. This isn't going to end too well, as he's let Vox get into his head, when Vox has had no intention of that happening.

I appreciate his harder stance on "Free Speech", but there's some very gray lines between Criminal & Civil Liability, wholly depending upon jurisdiction. I also think he took Vox's statement as a threat to sue, and it's now become messy. I think it was just the wrong week for this to dust up, and now Torba is too invested in the emotions of the position.

The core part about "what part of Supreme Dark Lord do you not understand?" is the unfeelingness. That's the part of Sigma that makes it the outlier aspect. It ends up making them not the best leaders, but extremely capable of sniping an Alpha.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 08, 2017 9:22 PM  

I think when the window-licker in question called Vox a Prairie Jew he was combining Jew with Prairie Nigger.

Understandable that you weren't familiar with it.

It's not a common term outside of plain states trailer parks.


@91 Cataline Sergius
They're conceding that VD has a high IQ. Smart enemies are Jews, dumb enemies are n-----s.

Blogger Lazarus September 08, 2017 9:23 PM  

Dr. Nguyen Van Phauc wrote:So you guys are attacking the next generation of your movement... and arguing with little kids on the internet

If they are going to be useful, they have to be schooled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbNCBVzPYak

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 9:23 PM  

Hmm, how does this go...

Oh, right.

Taylor, you ignorant slut!

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 9:24 PM  

@118 Trolling Hillary Clinton into giving a speech about Nazi frogs was pretty great.

yes, but was that the Alt Reich -- or /pol?! I thought it was /pol.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 9:25 PM  

Torba as the new Alt-Right leader, Deep State Black Hats will have a great target. Centralization is a fools game.

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 08, 2017 9:25 PM  

"This means that if you allow reader comments on your web site, host guest bloggers or citizen journalists or otherwise accept user-generated content, you are generally not responsible for certain claims, including defamation, stemming from that content, provided it is submitted by a third party."

Key word: generally.

What if it can be shown that you are aware of the content, aware that it's false and malicious, and refuse to remove it when requested to do so?

You might want to check with your legal team to see if you have immunity in that case.

Blogger Kristophr September 08, 2017 9:25 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:

They're conceding that VD has a high IQ. Smart enemies are Jews, dumb enemies are n-----s.


Dumb enemies? I don't think the swastica panty crowd meets the 65 IQ median for sub-Saharan Africa.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 9:26 PM  

> ...you are generally not responsible for certain claims, including defamation, stemming from that content, provided it is submitted by a third party.

OK, IANAL, but this is pretty basic.

No, Gab is not responsible for the posts. If they were, Vox could sue them for defamation directly.

What the are responsible for is the information on who made the defamatory statements. Vox doesn't have the authority to demand that information, only to request it. A court does have the authority to demand it however. If Vox takes the "John Does" who posted the messages to court, his lawyers can and likely will request that information. If the court agrees, it will demand that information from Gab. At which point they better hand it over or they'll be held in contempt of court and fined accordingly. In fact, if the court deems that it is Gorba himself who is not providing the information, they can even have him jailed till the information is released.

At no point in this process would Vox actually be suing Gab or anyone associated with Gab.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 08, 2017 9:27 PM  

Torba is too invested in the emotions of the position.

That's always a massive mistake. He should have stepped back and considered what was going on.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 9:27 PM  

"yes, but was that the Alt Reich -- or /pol?! I thought it was /pol."

The Reichtards are the digital version of a terrorist organization claiming responsibility for literally anything so that they can claim to be important.

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 08, 2017 9:31 PM  

No, that's nuts. It's just another set of insults.

If there was such a thing as 0-d chess, this is what it would look like, folks.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 9:32 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> ...you are generally not responsible for certain claims, including defamation, stemming from that content, provided it is submitted by a third party.

OK, IANAL, but this is pretty basic.

No, Gab is not responsible for the posts. If they were, Vox could sue them for defamation directly.

What the are responsible for is the information on who made the defamatory statements. Vox doesn't have the authority to demand that information, only to request it. A court does have the authority to demand it however. If Vox takes the "John Does" who posted the messages to court, his lawyers can and likely will request that information. If the court agrees, it will demand that information from Gab. At which point they better hand it over or they'll be held in contempt of court and fined accordingly. In fact, if the court deems that it is Gorba himself who is not providing the information, they can even have him jailed till the information is released.

At no point in this process would Vox actually be suing Gab or anyone associated with Gab.


Yeah, James, and that Moron was told that at least twice before, once by VD. Round and round they go...

Anonymous Casey September 08, 2017 9:32 PM  

Well,.....the declaration of war was,..at the very *least*, mutual.

I don't keep up with DS. I'm open to the opinion that it may be an ADL construct. I don't know.

But I think that it may be counter productive to engage in a war with it unless you're willing to research it and call it out for that it is.

I've been watching and thinking for a long time. But things have gotten very confusing, and at this point I've decided to stand off and let things find center before I take my stand.

Besides,...as I've stated before,..the damn devil is cranking this crap.

It's probably best to back away from any situation that Satan has created,..regardless of which side you feel that you need to be on.

The devil is a crafty sumbitch.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 08, 2017 9:32 PM  

@175 Ransom Smith

I agree. He's had a rough two weeks. The Anglin Collective is the one that went to the Registrar and tried to take down Gab or compromise the situation. But it's got Torba exhausted and somewhat on edge. He took Vox's request in a way I can see as a logical response, even if Vox didn't intend it that way.

They need a Wine Summit to sort this out, haha.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 9:33 PM  

@170 It's not particularly fruitful to try to work out the Venn diagram for two sets that both hide their membership. It is however reasonable to assume that the two are not disjoint.

The shit-tier nazi trolls remind me of some of the worst posters here actually. Some here try, badly, to adopt Nate's style for example, just as many "edgy" trolls fail to attain the quality of the better /pol/ posters.

Anonymous Ivan Throne September 08, 2017 9:34 PM  

My $.02 for consideration.

From those who have worked with him, I am advised that Andrew has a temper. That does not condemn the man at all, but such can interfere with up front processing.

Andrew's principled stand for free speech and anonymity are fine; good, even - but they present, as Gab is structured now, as an existential platform risk.

The collapse of Gab would be a blow to AltTech. Recoverable, but painful.

Why endure it at the hands of the adversaries that are out there?

Are those adversaries now backing off to see what happens?

Does that backing off, inherently result in observable movement from which previously concealed position is revealed?

Is it impossible that Vox and Andrew regularly check in with each other in calm manner outside the social media drama?

All things considered, does anyone wish Gab to fail?

Does Vox have more experience than Andrew with the way hostile swarming works?

I am unconcerned with this situation, unless Andrew were to do something foolish. I am not seeing that yet.

I am not saying this is a tempest in a teapot. The points at hand are serious, and are best resolved among allies than on a field shadowed by SJWs bearing the Oriflamme.

What I see so far is in accordance with that.

As an aside, I am bemused to discover precisely the depth of the retardation on display.

#AltRetard is lancingly accurate.

Some are simply too incompetent to be allies.

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 9:34 PM  

> You might want to check with your legal team to see if you have immunity in that case.

Absent a court order, I expect you're still safe. The safe harbor rules deliberately cast a very wide net. The major exception that I know of is for copyright infringement, which I don't believe is a factor in this case.

Disobeying a court order, otoh, is a fools game.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 9:37 PM  

@174 There is a 5 part dendrite test before that unmasking can occur. Vox's chances of winning are far higher than the merits alone suggest though, since odds are good that the trolls in question will fail to defend themselves anonymously while they can and will end up being unmasked by default.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 9:38 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@175 Ransom Smith

I agree. He's had a rough two weeks. The Anglin Collective is the one that went to the Registrar and tried to take down Gab or compromise the situation. But it's got Torba exhausted and somewhat on edge. He took Vox's request in a way I can see as a logical response, even if Vox didn't intend it that way.

They need a Wine Summit to sort this out, haha.


It seems to me the larpers are going to appeal to his ego, and make him some kind of a declared Alt-Right leader. Hope that does not happen.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2017 9:39 PM  

> There is a 5 part dendrite test before that unmasking can occur.

As I said, IANAL. The exact details of the process are outside my ken. I'm simply a well read layman.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 9:40 PM  

@136

Libel; expect a letter from lawyers, reeeeee.


Weak sauce. Troll harder.

Blogger Dr. Nguyen Van Phauc September 08, 2017 9:41 PM  

"yes, but was that the Alt Reich -- or /pol?! I thought it was /pol."

The Alt-Reich is literally a network of E-celebs who water down and popularize content from /pol

What they have going for them is that they don't water it down as much as the Alt-Lite types; they don't take as big of a "cut".

Blogger Solaire Of Astora September 08, 2017 9:43 PM  

User, saying that an ideal doesn't exist isn't a category error. It's describing the nonexistence of the ideal accurately. I hate people who toss fallacy accusations around like that.

Anonymous User September 08, 2017 9:46 PM  

@189 Nope. exists(free speech) = null, not exist(free speech) = false.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 08, 2017 9:47 PM  

@182 Ivan Throne

We called them Alt-Retards because it's funny and anyone that can't understand that National Socialism is like all other Socialisms in how it destroys the host culture is, well, quite foolish.

I never expected them to double-down. Very SJW of them.

But they can cause havoc. So, hopefully, this'll help Gab deal with some of the gray areas.

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 9:51 PM  

@188 The Alt-Reich is literally a network of E-celebs who water down and popularize content from /pol

Thanks for clearing that up. So, in fact, the Reichies are not (or not entirely? not mainly?) the source of the memes -- and certainly not of the weaponized autism that has solved so many mysteries so amazingly quickly -- but merely ... well, if you can them this: "popularizers" of the even-more outre' stuff from /pol?

Anonymous Andrew Anglin September 08, 2017 9:51 PM  

The Jews did this. They made me inform for the FBI. They made me take Soros shekels. They made us do Take Back The Night with Tiki Torches. They made me pick a fight with Vox. They made us try to fracture Gab.

THE. JEWS. DID. THIS.

Anonymous Ooh lol lol September 08, 2017 9:54 PM  

>Be Vox
>Love Japanese swords, anime, wearing a cape, and roleplaying as a Dark Lord
>Start a blog talking about Dark Lord things, natch
>Recruit impressionable outcasts to be your minions
>Spend years lecturing everyone on the value of free speech
>Eventually help start the Gab project
>Minions rejoice because Vox has trained them to lub that free speech
>But then...oh no...naughty Anons troll Vox on Gab
>Vox suddenly opposed to free speech
>Tries using his Dark Lord influence with Torba to gain special favors
>Torba BTFOs Vox without lube
>Vox, Prairie Jew that he is, forced to walk his own person Trail of Tears
>Dread Ilk now unanimously opposed to free speech
>Dark Lord Vox confirmed absolutely REKT and forced by Spacebunny to sleep outside in a TEEPEE so he doesn't keep her awake at night with his sniffling

Blogger JACIII September 08, 2017 10:00 PM  

Ooh lol lol wrote:>Be Vox

>Love Japanese swords, anime, wearing a cape, and roleplaying as a Dark Lord
{snip}
>Start a blog Spacebunny to sleep outside in a TEEPEE so he doesn't keep her awake at night with his sniffling


#altretard

Blogger Ransom Smith September 08, 2017 10:02 PM  

>Love Japanese swords, anime

How to turn /pol/ against you in one easy step.

Blogger Lazarus September 08, 2017 10:02 PM  

Andrew Anglin wrote:The Jews did this. They made me inform for the FBI. They made me take Soros shekels. They made us do Take Back The Night with Tiki Torches. They made me pick a fight with Vox. They made us try to fracture Gab.

THE. JEWS. DID. THIS.


THOSE BASTARDS!

Blogger Woo September 08, 2017 10:05 PM  

FYI - If someone wanted to destroy Vox, Italy has laws against hate speech. The Mancino Law (L. n. 205/1993) was extended under sentence n. 33179 in 2013 to cover blogs and social media. The related Association laws could also take down his publishing house

I dont advocate it, but it's interesting

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2017 10:06 PM  

Witnessing the destruction these retards have caused;is like watching a group of five year old kids get their hands on a case of dynamite and matchs. I honestly don't know which is worse - hordes of low T gammas or SJW's. In either case, destruction follows their arrival

Blogger Desdichado September 08, 2017 10:14 PM  

Nate wrote:"Category mistake. Existence isn't a property of ideals."

Limitless speech as an ideal ends with idiots from the Daily Stormer shouting BOMB at airports then giggling to themselves.

Free speech in a platonic sense DOESN'T exist, of course. As we've been well taught; you can't yell wolf in a crowded theater.

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