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Saturday, September 23, 2017

US-Russia conflict in Syria

This doesn't strike me as a positive development. The Saker contemplates the significance of a Russian special forces operation in Syria.
Something rather unprecedented just happened in Syria: US backed “good terrorist” forces attempted a surprise attack against Syrian government forces stationed to the north and northeast of the city of Hama. What makes this attack unique is that it took place inside a so-called “de-escalation zone” and that it appears that one of the key goals of the attack was to encircle in a pincer-movement and subsequently capture a platoon of Russian military police officers deployed to monitor and enforce the special status of this zone. The Russian military police forces, composed mainly of soldiers from the Caucasus region, fought against a much larger enemy force and had to call for assistance. For the first time, at least officially, Russian special operations forces were deployed to rescue and extract their comrades. At the same time, the Russians sent in a number of close air support aircraft who reportedly killed several hundred “good” terrorists and beat back the attack (Russian sources speak of the destruction of 850 fighters, 11 tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, 46 armed pickup trucks, five mortars, 20 freighter trucks and 38 ammo supply points; you can see photos of the destroyed personnel and equipment here). What also makes this event unique is the official reaction of the Russians to this event.

Head of the Main Operations Department at Russia’s General Staff Colonel General Sergei Rudskoi declared that:

“Despite agreements signed in Astana on September 15, gunmen of Jabhat al-Nusra and joining them units that don’t want to comply with the cessation of hostilities terms, launched a large-scale offensive against positions of government troops north and northeast of Hama in Idlib de-escalation zone from 8 am on September 19 (…) According to available data, the offensive was initiated by American intelligence services to stop a successful advance of government troops east of Deir ez-Zor“.

Today, other Russian officials have added a not-so-veiled threat to this accusation. The Russian Defense Ministry’s spokesman, Major General Igor Konashenkov has declared that:

Russia unequivocally told the commanders of US forces in Al Udeid Airbase (Qatar) that it will not tolerate any shelling from the areas where the SDF are stationed (…) Fire from positions in regions [controlled by the SDF] will be suppressed by all means necessary.

This is unprecedented on many levels. First, the Russians clearly believe that this attempt to kill or capture a platoon of the Russian military police was planned by the United States. The fact that they are making this accusation officially shows the degree of irritation felt by the Russians about the duplicity of the Americans. Second, this is the first time, at least to my knowledge, that Russian Spetsnaz forces had to be sent in to rescue a surrounded Russian subunit. All Spetsnaz operators survived, but three of them were wounded in the operation (the Russians are not saying how badly). The close air support by very low flying SU-25 aircraft was obviously coordinated by Spetsnaz forward air controllers and probably saved the day. In other words, this was a close call and things could have ended much more badly (just imagine what the Takfiri crazies would have done, on video, to any captured Russian serviceman!). Finally, a US-organized attack on what was supposed to be a “de-confliction” zone combined with an attempt to capture Russian soldiers raises the bar for American duplicity to a totally new level.
It's time to get US troops out of Iraq and Syria. Iran and Russia succeeded where the US failed, and now the US presence there is only likely to lead to trouble that the Trump administration cannot afford in light of the Korean situation.

Always focus on fighting on one front at a time unless one has absolutely no ability to avoid it. To do otherwise is not merely foolish, but risks disaster.

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Blogger Silly but True September 23, 2017 8:23 AM  

There needs to be Special Prosecuter appointed to investigate the foreign collusion and military hacking of Syria's election.

"Good job" to the Russians. Their success will be the U.S.'s success under our own feckless US policy on Syria. Let the Russians kill all the "good terrorists" they can.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 23, 2017 8:25 AM  

I think, at this point, that Syria is the first conflict in the modern era that we simply don't know what is going on. It's lies the entire way down by everyone. (The place has also becoming a live-fire testing zone, so the R&D guys must be loving it.)

Nothing in the normal Information Space is accurate. And, somehow, that's gotten worse since Trump ran the CIA out of the picture there.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables September 23, 2017 8:40 AM  

I wonder if this the DOD-Americans, the State-Americans or the CIA-Americans (all of whom are on different 'sides' in Syria). Doesn't seem like State, so was this the military or CIA. My money is on CIA, but the military will get the blame and pay the price.

Anonymous Long Duck Dong September 23, 2017 8:42 AM  

Iran and Russia succeeded where the US failed

Except it wasn't a failure. The bankstas were doing "other"

Oh and the NKorea thing is completely fake. Is this yet another Western educated "tyrant"?
Of course it is

Blogger Rough Carrigan September 23, 2017 8:47 AM  

Is there any good explanation for Trump and Mattis not shitcanning whichever warped colonel or general was responsible for that?

Blogger Johnny September 23, 2017 8:47 AM  

Good terrorists my a$$.

The big issue isn't the two front war, it is whether we should even be in Syria. What I think is going on in Syria is that the "good" terrorists are proxy fighters for Saudi Arabia in their fight with Iran for supremacy in the Gulf region. Meanwhile we are on the Saudi side and Russia on the other.

Unless we are back to the cold war and it is us vs them, Russia has a lot more at stake in the region than we do, and have adequately signaled that they are not going to roll over for a Saudi Arabian coalition gaining control of Syria. So do we really want to go to war over this? Really?

Given how our country is being run this is apt to be some proactive crap from the Deep State. If so the body count is a good thing. It is a loss by combat for the Deep State.

Blogger xavier September 23, 2017 9:14 AM  

I'm confused. Isn't the SDF mainly composed of Christians and Yazdis? So why woyld they even tolerate the al Nursa scum strolling in their territory?

Anonymous Looking Glass September 23, 2017 9:14 AM  

@5 Rough Carrigan

They were already, which is why Syria is mostly out of the news.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 23, 2017 9:18 AM  

The comments on that thread are the usual except for one maybe salient point, Trump and his braggadocio makes the American way of war seem unseemly to the self selected.

The usual way of American Freedom War is propaganda blah, blah, blah Hitler then some foam party rent boy speaks from the Oval Office in a serious tone about the need to liberate said people from humanity or whatever ails them at the time.

Trump blows that shit right out of the water with his tweets. Not a foam party rent boy IMO.

Blogger sykes.1 September 23, 2017 9:22 AM  

The situation may be unravelling. Here is another report:

http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/uncle-sam-vs-russia-in-eastern-syria-the-nightmare-scenario/

Blogger Phillip George September 23, 2017 9:22 AM  

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/14/us/terror-truck-lawsuit/index.html

this photo tells you everything you need to know about poorly run proxy wars. Even CNN had to run the story through Clorox; it was from before they could blame Trump.

911 - still awaiting the truth. Still no-one has hung for it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 23, 2017 9:35 AM  

Deep State's attempt to put the Donald in the spot where he has to stand up to the latest and worstest Hitler evah.

I think it will fail though, the old gas the children, make Ivanka cry trick IMO is itself about out of gas. So ISIS has been expended now the propaganda will be about "Mean Assad" versus good group of whomever which I still think leans Assad/Putin's way.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 23, 2017 9:35 AM  

@9 Mr.MantraMan

Trump radically changed the nature of "business" for the little tin-pot Generals. The Flag retirements over the next 2 years are going to be fascinating. Though the biggest change is simply going to be delegating all operational control to the Military. Obama was a military micro-manager, apparently of epic proportions.

For as much as Russia is active in Syria, it mostly seems to be confined to the Western side, mostly because the deep water ports are their key strategic assets. Beyond that, what's actually going on is a really open question. Everyone is lying about everything.

Anonymous Clay September 23, 2017 9:36 AM  

No argument from me.

Get our troops and ALL personnel outta there. What do we have to lose? Iran is gonna get, if they don't already have it, "the bomb".

If they ever use one, Israel will wipe them off the face of the earth.

Bring our troops home, put them on the border, and let's call it a day.

And stay the hell out of Russia's backyard.

We had Vietnam, they had Afghanistan. We've had Iraq, Afghanistan..let's not add Syria to this Middle Eastern outhouse.

Let Russia make the next move. It takes two to play chess.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 23, 2017 9:43 AM  

I'm convinced many of the conflicts we're seeing, both domestic and foreign, reflect an underlying battle for control between President Trump and the CIA -- or if you prefer, the Deep State, the CIA being its most visible organizational arm. That means as long as we have forces in a place like Syria, the CIA will have people among them (Trump/Mattis can try to fire the bad generals, but they can't clean out the whole military in year 1) who will try to spark fires that keep us involved.

It hasn't been reported much in the MSM because it would please Americans, but Trump has been trying to quietly back out of the place. He's not enough of an isolationist to just pull out, though, and he wants to disengage without making the US look weak. That gives them opportunities to cause trouble, so the sooner we can get out the better. And it's not just about troops: we have to remove the "advisors" who probably planned this for the "good terrorists." Or set up the advisors to get deleted in their next scheme, but that's probably wishful thinking.

Blogger allyn71 September 23, 2017 9:45 AM  

The Israeli's are shitting kittens over the idea of the "Shia Crecent" Reaching from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran. They have been lobbying to anyone that will listen about not allowing a Hezbollah presence in Syria.

Bibi recently flew to Moscow to discuss this and was basically told by the Russians to "deal with it", you started it and lost. Bibi was reportedly in a rage.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 23, 2017 9:52 AM  

Jack Ward stands with Spetsnaz forward air controllers.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 23, 2017 9:54 AM  

FTR before I get a bad reputation as a peacenik, if Hillary had won I would sound like Max Boot, war, war, war is the answer.

The American Empire has to go if we are to survive, but we elected Trump and I don't want American Ragnarok to happen on his watch.

So if an internet shlub like me can have strategic goals it is in Trump's time to it is to foment an American Nationalism that does not sound like anti-white cuckery that when he is gone the con/prog tard alliance of busy bodies can get back in the business of destroying themselves and the Empire.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 23, 2017 10:00 AM  

The only things Obama managed was club selection and Reggie's penis. He was a cult figure head by his second term, classic cult leader captured by his women and then micro managed by them. And the crazy women only thought about operational control of the military so the military would serve them, end of story. It is what women do, it is always about them.

Anyone one who says Obama did this or Obama did that is to be ignored, his women minders did this and did that.

Anonymous Clay September 23, 2017 10:03 AM  

"bibi" That's almost as bad as "pooty-poot"

BTW...I know Iraq is still pumping oil. Where is it going? Who is benefiting from it?

Surely, not the US. For some "odd" reason, they don't even reflect their earnings on the world market....at least, not that I perceive.

These European countries are laughing their asses off, and not thinking twice about it.

Blogger GreenEyedJinn September 23, 2017 10:03 AM  

Did some reach-back. Didn't happen as Unz reports. No US involvement. No conspiracy.
That al-Nusra attacked Idlib is likely. It's what they do. To say that it was orchestrated in any way by the US is not. We don't coordinate or push any ops with al-Nusra. The current al-Nusra is a splinter of ISIS. The US is in the business of killing ISIS, not supporting them. I'm glad the Russians are having success in killing al-Nusra, too.
Note in the original TASS article there is zero mention of any US-Russian interaction. http://tass.com/defense/966624

Anonymous Philipp September 23, 2017 10:07 AM  

The U.S. should gets its troops out of Syria and Iraq for sure. ISIS is as good as defeated, the Iraqi and Syrian governments have the situation under control.

Iran and Russia have indeed achieved their goal of keeping Assad in power and the Syrian state in being, which was crucially important (just read Bill Lind).

Anonymous Clay September 23, 2017 10:24 AM  

16. allyn71 September 23, 2017 9:45 AM
The Israeli's are shitting kittens over the idea of the "Shia Crecent" Reaching from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran. They have been lobbying to anyone that will listen about not allowing a Hezbollah presence in Syria.

Bibi recently flew to Moscow to discuss this and was basically told by the Russians to "deal with it", you started it and lost. Bibi was reportedly in a rage.


When was the last time your remember the Israeli's
"WEREN'T "shitting kittens"?

They have more nukes than they need.

Hey, why pay for your own drink, if the dumb ass sitting next to you has an open tab?

Blogger Lovekraft September 23, 2017 10:28 AM  

It is foolish for any of us, being such ripe target for scapegoating, to avoid thinking of the possibility that Trump will be usurped and/or coaxed into being the bad guy. And this would extend to anyone who showed any measure of support for him.

Whether it happens or not is irrelevant. Start conceptualizing how to maneuver against these attacks.

Sure there's a Sun Tzu idiom in there about fish learning to swim in another stream or something.

Anonymous Panzer Man September 23, 2017 10:29 AM  

Did some reach-back. Didn't happen as Unz reports. No US involvement. No conspiracy.
That al-Nusra attacked Idlib is likely. It's what they do. To say that it was orchestrated in any way by the US is not. We don't coordinate or push any ops with al-Nusra. The current al-Nusra is a splinter of ISIS. The US is in the business of killing ISIS, not supporting them. I'm glad the Russians are having success in killing al-Nusra, too.
Note in the original TASS article there is zero mention of any US-Russian interaction. http://tass.com/defense/966624

Interesting. Additionally, one of the links on the TASS page talks about how the US and Russians are cooperating to retake Raqqa and other cities. So now UNZ is fake news, too? Depressing.

Blogger Lovekraft September 23, 2017 10:30 AM  

My approach for a while was to reverse the onus back onto the accuser/marxists/jihadi. Something along the lines of:

"I'm sorry, I can't hear you. You voice was drowned out by the thousands upon thousands of victims of your hateful ideology. Perhaps you could address them first."

(especially effective against Islam, IMO).

Anonymous BBGKB September 23, 2017 10:35 AM  

When was the last time your remember the Israeli's "WEREN'T "shitting kittens"?

When they were shitting gerbils?

Blogger Lazarus September 23, 2017 10:37 AM  

Most confusing. Debka reports that the US troops ARE pulling back:

Israel’s strategic situation took several steps back in the first week of the (Jewish) New Year, chiefly: The US pulled back from E. Syria under Russian threat, allowing Iran to move in.In just one week, the dire perils, which many military and political experts warned against for years, are suddenly looming on Israel’s northern border.

From Sept.15-17, Syrian and Hizballah forces crossed the Euphrates to the eastern bank on pontoon bridges provided by Russia.
Last Saturday, Sept. 16, Russian jets bombed the US-backed Syrian Defense Forces (SDF) in the Deir ez-Zour region, as a warning against their obstructing the eastward impetus of those Syrian and Hizballah units.
On Monday, Sept. 18, US Marines began blowing up buildings at the Zaqaf military base in eastern Syria and then retreating to the Jordanian border. The US set up Zaqaf early this year in the Syrian Desert as a barrier against this very Syrian/Hizballah crossing to impede their advance to the Syrian-Iraqi border.
The following day, on the heels of the US withdrawal, Hizballah troops took charge of the Zaqaf base.

Blogger David September 23, 2017 10:39 AM  

Unz and Zerohedge both want things to be bad and getting worse. The reality on the ground is much different. The USA and Russia are cooperating privately while "fighting" publicly, which gives Trump cover he needs to get the right job done. The Russians are aware of how tight the line Trump is walking actually is with his every action being scrutinized for fake Russia conspiracies and they're playing along.

Blogger Lazarus September 23, 2017 10:42 AM  

BBGKB wrote:When was the last time your remember the Israeli's "WEREN'T "shitting kittens"?

When they were shitting gerbils?


Tribbels

Anonymous vic September 23, 2017 10:46 AM  

"The US is in the business of killing ISIS"

What!? Get a clue. ISIS is a CIA creation.

Anonymous Clay September 23, 2017 11:11 AM  

Why do we keep funneling billions to the Saudis, they don't do shit. Do we REALLY need their oil?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 23, 2017 11:27 AM  

To say that it was orchestrated in any way by the US is not.

Orchestrated "by the US," no, probably not. As others have pointed out, the reality is that the US has been withdrawing and turning more control over to the Russians, as you'd expect based on Trump's agenda.

But "by individuals in US uniform or on the US payroll taking orders from someone other than the Commander in Chief"? Quite possibly. That still means it's dangerous to have troops and other personnel there, because it gives those people cover and potentially makes the US responsible for whatever crises they create, real or false flag.

Anonymous BBGKB September 23, 2017 11:39 AM  

We should just let Russia have Syria if we are not going to fight moslems with winning tactics.

OT: Anarchic tyranny
"Sanctuary Cities" to ticket WHITE PEOPLE for hurricane damage

Miami-Dade"the county handed out 680 pool barrier and 177 electrical hazard notices in the hours after Irma — 16,510 homes and businesses were still without power"

http://theantimedia.org/fl-hurricane-damaged-homes-ticketed/

Blogger BriarRabbit September 23, 2017 11:46 AM  

That's beautiful.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 23, 2017 11:48 AM  

I think Turkey is getting the Iraq oil revenues but my memory could be off.

Blogger Hunsdon September 23, 2017 11:55 AM  

Thinking back, I recall Jerry Pournelle (pbuh) say something along the lines of "America is not ruthless enough to run a competent empire, and America is not rich enough to run an incompetent empire."

Anonymous johnc September 23, 2017 12:11 PM  

Go Russia!

Anonymous Ages September 23, 2017 12:47 PM  

God bless Bashar "the Lion", the only real protector of Christians in the Muslim world aside from Lebanon.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 23, 2017 1:01 PM  

@Basket of Deplorables

Definitely CIA/Deep State. They were attacking the Syrian government forces and it involved Jabhat al-Nusra.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis September 23, 2017 1:24 PM  

I think that Russia and USA are working together to kill jihadis. In this case:
...it appears that one of the key goals of the attack was to encircle in a pincer-movement and subsequently capture a platoon of Russian military police officers...Russian special operations forces were deployed to rescue and extract their comrades. At the same time, the Russians sent in a number of close air support aircraft...Russian sources speak of the destruction of 850 fighters, 11 tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, 46 armed pickup trucks, five mortars, 20 freighter trucks and 38 ammo supply points....

What does this describe? A trap prepared, a trap baited (with the police platoon), jihadis sold on a plan to get that juicy bait, jihadis go for the bait, trap is sprung, jihadis wiped out.

The US role is to recruit for the worst of the worst of Islam, draw them into the litterbox, and send them to break their teeth against serious military force. Same "flypaper" strategy as Iraq, except now the US doesn't have to incur the military casualties to slaughter jihadis.

However because Islam is what it is, the ISIS types keep being produced. Killing them is a never ending process. So set up kill zones, recruit them into the zones, and kill them off.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis September 23, 2017 1:37 PM  

One more point: to ensure that the few actual thinkers in Islam don't figure out that the US and Russia are working together to continuously kill jihadis, US and Russia need to send lots of "signals" about how the US and Russia are opposed. The deep players make use of many things, including the useful idiots in the Democrat party with the "Russia stole the election" theme, kicking out each others diplomats, military "maneuver games" in Eastern Europe, press release "threat assessments" made by retired generals, etc. And of course the weapons merchants, counterfeiters, drug smugglers etc. are in play, plus the semi-controlled R&D experiments (weapons, psyops) are in the litterbox as well.

Blogger Elder Son September 23, 2017 1:50 PM  

Yeah. Faking out those ISIS dudes big time! And it's all Trump's plan!

The fact is, the USA Bigly uses ISIS when it benefits it.

Anyhow, not that I expect anyone to actually read: https://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=USA+Syria+ISIS&x=0&y=0

Blogger Matt Davis September 23, 2017 2:02 PM  

Russia's actions in Syria are the efforts of a dying great power trying to guarantee that it stands by it's allies and will stand by any potential allies.

That said, the fact that a supposed "great power" was unable to end this conflict in a matter of months demonstrates how much the Russian armed forces have decayed. On paper they have the ability to project their power over great distances. The reality is that most of their matériel sit in ports and hangars rusting to the point of uselessness.

Syria is an excellent case study. All the US had to do was toss some money and weapons to poorly organized rebels and they were able to hold the Syrian government and Russian armed forces at bay and occasionally take the initiative in the conflict.

The rebels will be crushed within the next year. In the media it will be portrayed as a victory for Russia and Assad. The private military think tanks and the individuals who are actually in charge of U.S. Military strategy will come to a different conclusion. Putin's "hybrid warfare" was not borne out of genius but out of necessity.

A large conventional war between the US and Russia is possible, but it would never begin over Syria.

No Russian would ever admit it, but Turkey is going to begin affecting Russian policy more than any other NATO nation.

Russia has flirted with Islam for too long, and it will not be long before they have no choice but to submit.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion September 23, 2017 2:10 PM  

The Russian Air Force made many "good" terrorists in the operation

Blogger Robert What? September 23, 2017 2:20 PM  

Unfortunately the US government is doing the bidding of Israel, not what is in the best interests of the US.

Anonymous Ages September 23, 2017 3:01 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Unfortunately the US government is doing the bidding of Israel, not what is in the best interests of the US.

Yes, that is probably the single most disappointing aspect of Donald "the Best Goy" Trump's presidency. Why we continue to treat Israel like it's the 51st state, I will never understand. There is more unquestioning support for Israel in this country than for our fellow US citizens in US territories like Puerto Rico and Guam.

Blogger RobertT September 23, 2017 3:38 PM  

Trump seemed so bright on the campaign trail. Maybe the Swamp has replaced him with a Robot?

Blogger DonReynolds September 23, 2017 4:11 PM  

In South Korea and South VietNam, the United States was requested by the government to come to their defense in the face of communist aggression.

In Afghanistan and Iraq, once the smoke of official lies had blown away, we ended up with nation building and so girls there could go to school and to make the country safe for homosexuals.

By the time we get to Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Egypt, the US government ran completely out of excuses, particularly since their interventions have yet to make the situation better for anyone.

The next NeoCon projects are going to be the Ukraine, Georgia, Iran, North Korea, and Turkey (ostensibly to create Kurdistan and make the country safe for Armenians). Of course, there is no end and there never will be until they no longer have the American taxpayer funding it all. Take away their credit cards, pull out the troops and put them along the Mexican border. End the madness. Pointless warfare simply must stop.

Blogger Matt Davis September 23, 2017 4:16 PM  

Ages wrote:Robert What? wrote:Unfortunately the US government is doing the bidding of Israel, not what is in the best interests of the US.

Yes, that is probably the single most disappointing aspect of Donald "the Best Goy" Trump's presidency. Why we continue to treat Israel like it's the 51st state, I will never understand. There is more unquestioning support for Israel in this country than for our fellow US citizens in US territories like Puerto Rico and Guam.


The sole reason that we support Israel is that it has become the framework for our ability to project power in the region. Even if we abandoned Israel, it would remain the most powerful nation in the middle east.

It is embarrassing how prevalent the idea that "the joos" determine American foreign policy is among supporters of the Alt-Right. It is a conspiracy theory similar to one that exists on the left - the idea that the right is conspiring to fulfill the prophecies of the bible.

The support we give Israel is provided only for geopolitical reasons. If the Alt-Right doesn't work to purge this idea that Jews around the world are working as a coherent entity to subjugate the rest of the world's population, it will never be able to separate itself from white supremacists in the public eye.

Blogger Phat Repat September 23, 2017 5:50 PM  

Again kidz; the death of the $IMFS, as evidenced by the de-dollarization trend globally, is the end of the globalists cream dream. Hopefully we aren't foolish enough to fall for their war as a distraction to what truly ails us.

Blogger Robert Browning September 23, 2017 6:54 PM  

Getting America forces out of the Iraq and Syria is anti-Semitic. What is wrong with you? Israel needs more territory to relocate the Palestinians and to create a buffer between Israel and Iran and forward attack location for the future Iranian showdown.

Blogger Resident Moron™ September 24, 2017 3:17 AM  

It's hard to avoid the conclusion that this is exactly what DC wants. After decades of wars based on lies about being attacked, there's no way the US would see this as anything but an opportunity.

Anonymous Ages September 24, 2017 6:45 AM  

I don't think Israel is necessarily all about the Jews, but it IS about that for a lot of useful idiot evangelical supporters, so it lends itself to that conspiracy theory.

I don't think Jews are running everything, but they certainly run the mass media.

Anonymous Ages September 24, 2017 6:48 AM  

The next NeoCon projects are going to be the Ukraine, Georgia

It's hard not to believe there is an anti-Eastern Orthodox bent to all of this. Look at the countries they go after: Russia, Ukraine, Serbia, Georgia...

Blogger FrankNorman September 24, 2017 8:26 AM  

44. Matt Davis September 23, 2017 2:02 PM

No Russian would ever admit it, but Turkey is going to begin affecting Russian policy more than any other NATO nation.

Russia has flirted with Islam for too long, and it will not be long before they have no choice but to submit.


Do you forget that the Russians have nuclear weapons? More of them, in fact, than the USA or any other nation on Earth?

No, they are never going to be in a position of "having no choice but to submit" - because they will always have at least one other choice:
"Push the button."

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction September 25, 2017 1:00 AM  

@44

Russia's actions in Syria are the efforts of a dying great power trying to guarantee that it stands by it's allies and will stand by any potential allies.

That said, the fact that a supposed "great power" was unable to end this conflict in a matter of months demonstrates how much the Russian armed forces have decayed. On paper they have the ability to project their power over great distances. The reality is that most of their matériel sit in ports and hangars rusting to the point of uselessness.


This completely ignores the fact that the US is also involved in Syria and, rationally speaking, Russia more than likely has been restrained in their actions in the region so as to avoid escalation of hostilities with the United States.

Syria is an excellent case study. All the US had to do was toss some money and weapons to poorly organized rebels and they were able to hold the Syrian government and Russian armed forces at bay and occasionally take the initiative in the conflict. Russia didn't get involved until militarily 2015 years after the war first started. The original goal of funding the "moderate" rebels was to overthrow Assad. So your guilty of moving the goal post and revisionist history.

The rebels will be crushed within the next year. In the media it will be portrayed as a victory for Russia and Assad. It objectively is.

The private military think tanks and the individuals who are actually in charge of U.S. Military strategy will come to a different conclusion. Putin's "hybrid warfare" was not borne out of genius but out of necessity. What does this even mean?

Russia has flirted with Islam for too long, and it will not be long before they have no choice but to submit. This comment makes no sense whatsoever. Ignoring the fact that Russia could incinerate the earth, they have Caucus mountains and 1,800 kilometers separating Moscow from their Islamic neighbors. If your thinking about the islamists within Russia outbreeding the Russian Christians to the point where they can just take over demographically? The Russians will forcibly remove them first.

Blogger Meimou September 26, 2017 10:56 AM  

It's common knowledge CIA supported isis.

Blogger Robert What? September 26, 2017 9:57 PM  

@Matt Davis,

Your analysis is naive. It does not account for our antagonistic relationship with Russia in the Middle East who are just doing what we claim we want to do: defeat ISIS. There is no earthly reason for the United States to foment "regime change" in Syria. Yet that is what we are doing. Why? Because Israel want regime change in Syria. Why? Because Israel does not want a stable Syria with a substantial military on its borders. It would much rather deal with a rag tag bunch of failed states like ISIS. So Israel is getting a gullible American President to do its bidding.

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