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Sunday, October 15, 2017

An obligation

James Kirchick explains why Jews residing in America have an obligation "to pay it forward by supporting a liberal immigration regime" in an article entitled "Can American Jews Be White Nationalists?"
Nobody’s politics or worldview should be determined by their racial, ethnic, or religious background—certainly not in a country as big, diverse, and welcoming as America. But if there’s an issue that should be at least influenced by one’s American Jewish identity, it’s immigration. And that’s because America, quite simply, has been great for the Jews, whose forebears in the shtetls of Europe spoke about it as the goldene medina, a golden land. Enslaved, ghettoized and murdered throughout our history, Jews have been welcomed by America with open arms.

Of course, that has not always been the case. During the Jewish people’s most desperate hour, Franklin Delano Roosevelt slammed the door shut on migrants from Nazi Germany. And it wasn’t until the middle of the 20th century that institutional discrimination against Jews, in the forms of university quotas and the like, came to an end. But few other nations have been so hospitable to Jews as the United States. Indeed, it’s hard to think of any other minority group that has succeeded so much thanks to America’s generosity and openness. The American idea allowed us to flourish to the point where we are the most widely admired religious group in the country. That is not a condition, to say the least, with which Jews have been much familiar at any other point in our long and beleaguered history, anywhere else in the world.

American Jews, then, have something of a communal obligation to pay it forward by supporting a liberal immigration regime. And by and large we have: Jews and Jewish organizations are very pro-immigration. This implied social responsibility doesn’t necessarily entail support for open borders. Nor does it apply to other parts of the world; continued mass Muslim immigration from North Africa and the Middle East into Europe, for example, is a portentous development that will make Jewish life there, already difficult, increasingly so. But an American Jew calling for a drastic reduction in legal immigration to America is unseemly. 
Any group of U.S. residents whose first and foremost question is "is it good for our little group" rather than "is it good for America" is not permitted to use the phrase "fellow Americans". Because they are nothing of the kind.

A man cannot serve two masters. And while a man can collect as much paperwork as he likes, he can never be member of two nations. Jesus Christ himself told Christians they were to be in, but not of, the world, which is why Christians have been considered a threat by governments everywhere since the days of the Emperor Augustus.

But a nation is neither a state nor a government. Much mischief has been committed, and much confusion has been sown, by those who insist on conflating the nation with the state.

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OpenID markstoval October 15, 2017 6:09 AM  

But a nation is neither a state nor a government. Much mischief has been committed, and much confusion has been sown, by those who insist on conflating the nation with the state.

This is certainly the truth and it is a theme that needs to be hammered home much more often.

The leftists love to try to win arguments by misusing words; redefining words. Conflating nation with the State is certainly one of their most insidious moves.

Anonymous Nick October 15, 2017 6:24 AM  

In large part thanks to you Vox, my identity has crystallized and I've come to recognize that even though I was raised in the U.S. I am 100% Polish. I may speak better English than Polish and have more of an American mindset, but all my known ancestors come from Poland where I now reside. Its sickening to see paperwork Americans claim the United States as their home and then switch back to their ethnic identity when its convenient to give them diversity points or when it helps shield them from attacks on white European-Americans. Its part of the reason my family didn't engage heavily with Polonia (Poles living in America) because it ghettoized you instead of integrating you into the culture to lead a normal life as a citizen. I can understand the historical reasons that people have had for fleeing their homelands, but once things improve and the situation changes (Poland after 1989, Israel since its founding), people have an obligation to return and make their own nations great again.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy October 15, 2017 6:29 AM  

Friend at work is Jewish, also a lawyer. His two kids are in college, they have never been to Israel.

Over drinks I have tried to tell him to take them, get the passports, set aside some US and Canadian cash, and buy used Glock 19s. He isn't buying it. I think in part because Metro Detroit has a set aside area for Jews.

I think the AA quota/critical mass is going to backfire on Jews soon, when the rising nationalism notices they hold college admissions, elite jobs, high offices, and the like completely out of their percentage of population. Part of it is their intelligence, but most of it is clan nepotism.

Blogger Stilicho October 15, 2017 6:33 AM  

"Most admired"... keep telling yourself that while you work to destroy the nation. "Enslaved, ghettoized, and murdered throughout our history"... and yet, you've never figured out why. Could it be that you've a history and pattern of subverting the government's and attacking your host nations for the benefit of your group? If you are into "communal obligations" one would think this conundrum would have priority. As a people, you are literally insane by Einstein's definition.

You have to make aliyah.

Blogger Koanic October 15, 2017 6:36 AM  

By the same logic, whites have an obligation to gas the kikes.

Anonymous All-American Artie Schnozzblatt October 15, 2017 6:44 AM  

We figured you let us crash at your house, so we might as well repay you by inviting Mexico, Guatemala and Somalia in too.

What are you, some kind of racist?

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 15, 2017 6:49 AM  

He uses "Jew" and "Jewish" like a narcissist uses "I" and "me".

Blogger Phillip George October 15, 2017 6:51 AM  

"blinded in part" means delusional in much.
Anyway, lucky Larry Silverstein did rather well out of his insurance claims on the twin towers.

Let's keep this in perspective. Synagogue of Satan is at war. They didn't take prisoners on 911.

OpenID paworldandtimes October 15, 2017 6:57 AM  

Porter at Kakistocracy nailed blacks' sociopathic view of others, quoted below. The description also matches Kirchick's mentality:

"Blacks don’t hold a monopoly on solipsistic meanderings, though they certainly make a market. […] It’s like hearing a child lecturing to play-doh figures. The latter being mute objects whose value and morality is judged by the extent they serve the speaker’s ends. There’s only one beautiful creature owed deference by the world. And I don’t just mean TaNehisiCoates."

Blogger APL October 15, 2017 7:05 AM  

Lawyer Guy: "I think in part because Metro Detroit has a set aside area for Jews."

You mean a Jewish ghetto?

While I'm not a US citizen, I habitually watch Tucker Carlson. His pro immigration guests are invariably Jews (Alex Nowrasteh ) or self confessed 'illegal immigrants', telling the US how it needs more foreigners.

Whenever I see that guy Nowrasteh I want to smack him in the mouth. He is a character right out of Millers Crossing.

Stereotypes! Every time.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 15, 2017 7:06 AM  

Stilicho wrote:"Most admired"... keep telling yourself that while you work to destroy the nation.

Amen, to all that you said. It's amazing how un-self-aware an intelligent person (people) can be. (((They))) have to be THE prototypical case of this syndrome.

Every time I read this kind of crap I get nauseous; and enraged. They really do have to make Aliyah. For everybody's sake.

Unfortunately I don't see (((them))) ever fully realizing this though. It seems that this may be one of mankind's perpetual flaws (among many).

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. October 15, 2017 7:11 AM  

A rootless cosmopolitan writing like a rootless cosmopolitan making sure to point out that those who notice said rootless cosmopolitanism are anti-Semites.

The topic of Jews came up the other day in a conversation I was having with a well-meaning young man. Fast-forwarding a bit: His claim as to why Jews generally display some or another neurotic tick is that this is the price they pay for their instrument (i.e. their 'intelligence').

I asked him if those neurotic ticks might not instead be the manifestation of holding so many irreconcilably contradictory positions at once; in the same 'soul', as it were.

He paused for a long while, eventually admitting he'd never considered the possibility.

I don't know if there's a name for a look on someone's face that is at once enlightenment and concern, but there should be.

Anonymous DissidentRight October 15, 2017 7:28 AM  

the manifestation of holding so many irreconcilably contradictory positions at once; in the same 'soul', as it were.

As a complementary point:

Jews were the first and greatest followers of Christ.
Jews were also the first and greatest enemies of Christ.

Modern day Jews are the physical and philosophical posterity of which group?

Blogger Buybuydandavis October 15, 2017 7:36 AM  

Interesting moral theory. Be in favor of immigration no matter how much it screws the country that took you in, because you benefited when you when they did.

Old fashioned notions of *gratitude* would suggest that you be *extra* committed to protecting the interests of people who took you in. But no. Fuck them with a rusty pipe.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 15, 2017 7:39 AM  



Jewish anti-White bigotry:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK3lV9mU8AAofAA.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_PI8AGXYAEjB-A.jpg

https:/goodbyeamericainaphoto.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/fwhiteness.jpg

Anonymous Wu Ming October 15, 2017 7:40 AM  

If the non-Western world learns what "Jewish gratitude" is like, they probably will not want any of it

Blogger Joshua_D October 15, 2017 7:48 AM  

What's pissing me off more and more is how people say "America" this and "America" that. No, the land didn't give you anything, Americans did. The American People who built this nation and then invited people in shared this land, although admittedly, that invite was first extended only to White Europeans. Anyway, this Jew speaks of the blessings the AMERICANS THE PEOPLE have bestowed on Jews and his response is that Jews should support bringing in more foreigners. They have to go back now.

Anonymous aegis-1080 October 15, 2017 7:57 AM  

That's a lot of words for "Oy vey, that Stephen Miller guy is helping the goyim!".

Trump has the best Jews, and Liberal Jews are seething in rage for that and because Bibi turned out to be an ardent Trump supporter (even though Trump is one of the few people on DC not sucking up to Israel lol).

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 15, 2017 8:04 AM  

Nobody’s politics or worldview should be determined by their racial, ethnic, or religious background—certainly not in a country as big, diverse, and welcoming as America. 

I think he confused "nobody" with white people. That is what he meant to say. Also notice the blatant "Hello, fellow white people!" throughout the article

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 15, 2017 8:07 AM  

The phrase that would save a lot of time is "anti-white."

Anonymous Looking Glass October 15, 2017 8:19 AM  

@18 aegis-1080

The funny thing was the pictures from Trump & Bibi meeting. Then you see why a lot of the Jews hate Trump passionately. Both know how to play them like fiddles. Or, at least, the Diaspora power hungry ones. It means Trump & Bibi understand each other at a very deep level.

That's the actual split and something of a fascinating culture study. Israelis have had to make a country work; the Diaspora have not and cannot actually build anything. Even Israel is starting to play a double-game on the Diaspora over it. (Jewish Tribalism is means they reflexively defend each other, which is really abusable.)

The writer of the piece is clearly of the Diaspora Media Class. They exist to parrot the lies of those above them in some hierarchy. You can predict most of what they're going to say because of the group think. They can't get beyond being part of the Pillager Class, while the Israelis are now part of the Builder Class. That's really the biggest divide. It also divides Western Culture from most of the rest of the World.

Ethnic Conflict let's those above the Media Class pillage, thus that's what they believe. They can't actually get out of that assumption. Stephen Miller is doing good work to stop this from happening, or for Americans to start asking why 2% of the population has 3 sitting SCOTUS Justices.

But I've got to love these quotes:

"Nobody’s politics or worldview should be determined by their racial, ethnic, or religious background"

"American Jews, then, have something of a communal obligation"

He couldn't even make it 4 paragraphs without going full Tribal Expectation.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 15, 2017 8:26 AM  

It is never good for any people to be immune from criticism or consequence. It always leads to massive over-reach and far more drastic consequences than otherwise would have been the case.

"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind"

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 15, 2017 8:27 AM  

I don't suppose any of our intellectuals who are of Kirchick's level will ask him why he is anti-white, but will instead play the usual "tailgate" games.

Or if you cannot disrupt and come to dominate the OODA loop you must be a conservative.

Blogger Lovekraft October 15, 2017 8:31 AM  

I think that when one enters that level of political analysis, the obfuscation, web of power and duplicity is so extensive that it is an exercise in futility.

Let them concoct their own ideology and keep them as far away as possible from ours. Engaging and trying to understand them is a sure path to anger and resentment, because that is what they essentially produce.

Blogger Chris Lutz October 15, 2017 8:43 AM  

...most widely admired religious group in the country

How often does a Christian get a fair portrayal in the press or media? How often is a Jew shown as a criminal on a TV show? Who is largely in charge in the press and entertainment sectors?

Anonymous Top Gun Chest Bump October 15, 2017 8:47 AM  

There were no Christians in the "days of the Emperor Augustus".

Tiberius ruled during Jesus' ministry but he didn't have nay particular problem with Christians as such.

Anonymous know when to hold em October 15, 2017 8:51 AM  

they are all right they get a bit of bad rep, but one area of complaint I have is the strangelhold on rents, gauging rents, many non jews charge way too high amounts on rent too,...if that grip can be loosened the nation will be much better off, People will have disposable income and be able to live instead of all of thier monthly pay checks going to rent and mortgage, insatead of tax cuts how about rent cuts and mortgage cuts.

Blogger Elizabeth October 15, 2017 8:53 AM  

Top Gun Chest Bump wrote:There were no Christians in the "days of the Emperor Augustus".

He probably didn't know that they existed.

Tiberius ruled during Jesus' ministry but he didn't have nay particular problem with Christians as such.

Anonymous DronesRbad October 15, 2017 8:55 AM  

So many good comments already have said what needs to be said, but Nick, wanted to affirm your point, ALONG with Jews (re: white people, at least by most measures of every day life), NO ONE Has played the identity game more to hide their ancestors past transgressions and successes, yet shield themselves from criticism or lumping in with "regular white folks" than White Latinos/Hispanics.

There are literally MILLIONS of white people in the US who have anywhere from 1/8th to 3/4 "Hispanic" heritage (Spain) with those vaunted "hispanic sounding surnames" who are WHITE PEOPLE THRU AND THRU, from the acts of their ancestors (killing Indians, enslaving blacks) to their IQ (particularly Northern Spain) to their treatment in every day life, enjoying all those "benefits" we allegedly have, to mixing with other "Argentines, just cuz I like being around my own folks n stuff"...and then claiming at the end of the day, on applications and for job promotions that they are some distinct, different people--are they different than British-Americans? sure...so are Irish and Italian-Americans...it's a joke, and I'm sick of it. Esp guys like Jorge "Blue Eyes" Ramos. (guy has like 1/8th Indigenous blood)

Blogger Lovekraft October 15, 2017 9:23 AM  

@25: Chris Lutz:

"How often does a Christian get a fair portrayal in the press or media?"

Brother, I've been sounding that alarm for over twenty years now, with basically zero progress. So much media over-saturation that, even if there is a reliable analysis of this bias, it gets lost in the static.

Even now, when Disney/Hollywood is exposed as a den of vipers, the signs are emerging that it is going to be swept under the rug, or positioned to include realwhites among the realpedos/rapists.

It takes a long time for society to cast off the lies.

Anonymous Rfvujm October 15, 2017 9:24 AM  

"A man cannot serve two masters."

I've seen Vox use this phrase a few times in other writing (at least once in regards to SJW convergence). I love it - a great blend of dialectic and rhetoric. Six very simple, very easy to comprehend words. And extremely on-topic here.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 15, 2017 9:30 AM  

""A man cannot serve two masters."

I've seen Vox use this phrase a few times in other writing (at least once in regards to SJW convergence). I love it"


It's Biblical. Literally a Bible quote.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 15, 2017 9:34 AM  

@31 Rfvujm

Matthew 6:24
Luke 16:13

Blogger pyrrhus October 15, 2017 9:34 AM  

Kirchick is under heavy fire in the comments on Sailer's post...A fair summary would be: no more wars for Israel, and Kirchick has to go back....

Anonymous CrystalBlue October 15, 2017 9:35 AM  

Nobody’s politics or worldview should be determined by their racial, ethnic, or religious background

What should it be determined by? What the (((elite))) tell you it should be?

Anonymous Reenay October 15, 2017 9:37 AM  

Nobody’s politics or worldview should be determined by their racial, ethnic, or religious background

Noted, this Jew is saying supporting BLM is wrong. That makes him a, how do you folks say this, a waciss?

Blogger Abyssus Invocat October 15, 2017 9:38 AM  

"Any group of U.S. residents whose first and foremost question is "is it good for our little group" rather than "is it good for America" is not permitted to use the phrase "fellow Americans".
Because they are nothing of the kind"

How do people not get this?

Anonymous Sam the Man October 15, 2017 9:44 AM  

Such idiots as referenced in this article are writing for a sympathetic liberal Jewish audience, not America as a whole. As such a lot of implicit worldview is assumed.

The primary things that an out of group reader is missing is that the Jewish reader will read this relative to his history of being an oppressed minority (to their eyes). The writer explicitly states that continued immigration will be bad for US Jews but that does not matter, as the good that we (the group addressed) enjoys in America should be shared with all mankind. Utopian stupidity that appeals to a liberal do-goodism, a sense of being a martyr (without actually paying the bill) and man's perfectibility under Jewish leadership (implied) It is an emotional appeal that is not logically consistent but one that plays to reform Jewish self-image. The very fact that such an argument has to be made indicates that a lot of Jews feel otherwise and have no problem siding with white nationalists, indeed they think it necessary. That figure might only be 29 to 46 % of Jewish males as of 2016, but the identification of Jews as a whole with the democratic party has fallen to 54%, far below the 78 % in the 2008 time period.

The Jews are not the only religious group that seems to have this delusion.

I would point out while spending time listening to Catholic Masses that they seem to have a similar attitude of pro immigration. It is subtle but official policy and the many non American priests that seem to make of the clergy of the American catholic church. I do not hear similar condemnations of that stance, though I gather that laity for the most part ignore such policy.

I am less sure of mainstream Protestants, but I have certainly heard a lot of congregations that seem to have a self-satisfied official policy of pro-immigration and amnesty. From outsider view, it seems the same sense of "I know better" prevails in these groups not unlike the Jewish fools.

To me, it seems the real issue comes down to this: there are folks seeking the Father in Heaven from a western historic tradition. Those that recognize Moses and the prophets as being binding (both Christians and non-Talmudic Jews), those that recognize Jesus as the Christ and attempt to know the father through him, and everybody else. The very dangerous folks are those that have subverted the traditional teaching from being binding on our actions and thoughts, deciding instead that we as men can reconfigure our world to be utopia by force of reason. It is nothing less than original sin....again

Now Talmudic Jews are very guilty of this, but I would point out many mainstream Christian sects are also guilty of this. Lutherans, Anglicans, Episcopalians and Methodists are all on the path to deciding that they, not G-D can determine morality and substitution the two commandments of JC with one "thou shall tolerate explicit sin approved of by the church elders". Sounds very Talmudic to me.

I note all of the utopian idiocy comes out of these religious folks who have decided they "are like gods" and can create a better world though reason. That is the real issue, and has been since the time of Kings and chronicles . A careful reading of JC and his ministry shows he was condemning the Jewish traditions that had subverted the formerly close relation ship between the Hebrews and G-D with a system of nominal sacrifices that had no effect on inner heart, mind or actions. Seems like where the entire western world is today. All the West must go back to the father, and "the way" dictated to get to the Father for the west was the Christ. That fight, which has always been the fight is what folks should notice. Going after the Jews as in throwing them out again will fix nothing if it does not address the underlying issue.

Anonymous Godfrey October 15, 2017 9:53 AM  

Israel has a wall.

It's way past time to address the "Palestinian Question". It's time for much more diversity in Israel. It's time for a Palestinian state.

Blogger ZhukovG October 15, 2017 9:59 AM  

@Sam the Man: I expect that an increasing number of Jews will begin to rebel against their own elite, just as working class Roman Catholics tend to ignore their Bishops.

Blogger wrf3 October 15, 2017 9:59 AM  

Enforced cooperation leads to tribalism.

Is Tribalism a Natural Malfunction?

Blogger Jed Mask October 15, 2017 10:02 AM  

"Any group of U.S. residents whose first and foremost question is "is it good for our little group" rather than "is it good for America" is not permitted to use the phrase "fellow Americans". Because they are nothing of the kind."

Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, here... Does that accurately describe this lil' "Alt-Right" movement then?

"A man cannot serve two masters. And while a man can collect as much paperwork as he likes, he can never be member of two nations. Jesus Christ himself told Christians they were to be in, but not of, the world, which is why Christians have been considered a threat by governments everywhere since the days of the Emperor Augustus."

Hmmm... Interesting to hear you say this Mr. Vox. So who do you consider "your Master"?

My Master is LORD JESUS CHRIST as I presume yours is as well.

So... that begs the question here sir: Would your Master approve of you referring to our nation's president as the "God-Emperor" instead of giving the "Lord Jesus Christ" such reverence?

Your "loyalties" may be displaced. Give GOD that glorious praise. Not some mere mortal man.

Also, could be "personal choice" but use *Himself* instead of "himself" when referring to the Holy One.

Good day sir. Peace... Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Anonymous Godfrey October 15, 2017 10:02 AM  

Israel has a wall.

Israel should accept a lot more refugees and migrants. And Israel should support a Palestinian state. Zionism IS racism. Zionists are Jewish supremacists.

Anonymous Godfrey October 15, 2017 10:05 AM  

Zionism IS racism.

Zionists are Jewish supremacists.

Blogger Elizabeth October 15, 2017 10:07 AM  

DronesRbad wrote:So many good comments already have said what needs to be said, but Nick, wanted to affirm your point, ALONG with Jews (re: white people, at least by most measures of every day life), NO ONE Has played the identity game more to hide their ancestors past transgressions and successes, yet shield themselves from criticism or lumping in with "regular white folks" than White Latinos/Hispanics.

There are literally MILLIONS of white people in the US who have anywhere from 1/8th to 3/4 "Hispanic" heritage (Spain) with those vaunted "hispanic sounding surnames" who are WHITE PEOPLE THRU AND THRU, from the acts of their ancestors (killing Indians, enslaving blacks) to their IQ (particularly Northern Spain) to their treatment in every day life, enjoying all those "benefits" we allegedly have, to mixing with other "Argentines, just cuz I like being around my own folks n stuff"...and then claiming at the end of the day, on applications and for job promotions that they are some distinct, different people--are they different than British-Americans? sure...so are Irish and Italian-Americans...it's a joke, and I'm sick of it. Esp guys like Jorge "Blue Eyes" Ramos. (guy has like 1/8th Indigenous blood)


Two neighbors married to one another, he's from Spain and she's from Cuba with parents from Spain. Is he Hispanic? Is she? I knew an blond male attorney from Chile and a red-haired female attorney from Argentina. Are they Hispanic?

White Latinos are a privileged lot - they're lumped in with Mexican Mestizos and Guatemalan Indians, so standards are lowered and they benefit from "diversity."

Anonymous TJK October 15, 2017 10:08 AM  

I don't follow. Towards whom or what is this communal Jewish obligation supposed to be owed?

By the preceding paragraph it should be America (not Americans - is this abstraction the key here?), but where does the reasoning of "this group aided me a lot, therefore I am obligated to make sure it aids others a lot too" begin to make sense?

Normally I expect these articles to at least follow some internal logic, but here the conclusion seems to be entirely contrary to the argument. I feel this juxtaposition would be striking even to readers prepared to accept both. Am I too short for this ride?

Blogger Elizabeth October 15, 2017 10:11 AM  

Abyssus Invocat wrote:"Any group of U.S. residents whose first and foremost question is "is it good for our little group" rather than "is it good for America" is not permitted to use the phrase "fellow Americans".

Because they are nothing of the kind"

How do people not get this?


People who care about their little group pretend that they care about everyone. They won't admit that they are motivated by self-interest.

Anonymous Godfrey October 15, 2017 10:11 AM  

It's time for Americans to support the opening of Israel's borders.

It's time for Jews to rise above their historic racism and bury Zionism.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 15, 2017 10:14 AM  

That's a lot of words for "Oy vey, that Stephen Miller guy is helping the goyim!".

@18 aegis-1080
Stephen Miller should dub himself The Unseemly. Especially after he dumped on the Lazarus poem. Oy vey. /s

Trump has the best Jews, and Liberal Jews are seething in rage for that

And his kids literally.

I would point out while spending time listening to Catholic Masses that they seem to have a similar attitude of pro immigration. It is subtle but official policy and the many non American priests that seem to make of the clergy of the American catholic church. I do not hear similar condemnations of that stance, though I gather that laity for the most part ignore such policy.

@38 Sam the Man
The Catholic Church is tightly in the grip of a clique of ultra-liberal SJW Baby Boomers. And because it's highly centralized, un-converging it will be far more of a challenge than with, say, Protestant churches, especially with Fake Pope Francis having the high approval ratings among Catholics he does (for whatever reason).

But there's a gaping split between whites and Hispanics. White Catholics voted 60% for Trump, and Hispanic Catholics only 26%. (Source)

Blogger Lovekraft October 15, 2017 10:15 AM  

@ 38 Sam the Man:

"Going after the Jews as in throwing them out again will fix nothing if it does not address the underlying issue."

I am of a similar position, in that generalizations really does nothing to advance the debate and in facts seems juvenile and lazy.

It is simplistic to simply group all members of a group under one tent. I, for one, would have to concede humbly, that my own 'tribe' has a lot of bad apples, and won't jump to their defense automatically.

The danger from that is being bogged down in specifics, debating endlessly about what part of the group needs purging.

So there are indeed 'bad jews' but the question is now what to do about it?

Either 1. these bad apples can NOT be separated from the whole, in which case it is in fact a problem of the entire group
or
2. we see justly that this group is contrary to our interests, work to neutralize their power, and give explicit warning to the 'good' members that they must continue to ostracize them.

Very complicated.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 15, 2017 10:15 AM  

@48:

They made a movie about this:

AntiRacist Hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og

Blogger Doom October 15, 2017 10:16 AM  

Right. Amen as well.

It sort of sucks when the churches fail, leaving a study of the bible, magisterium, the doctors of the church , and God given talents to not only figure it out but also to dispute the churches as well. Not much to be done about the sheep who have been lead astray, if many have become statist and corporate wolves in sheep 's clothing at this point.

Blogger tuberman October 15, 2017 10:21 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:@18 aegis-1080

The funny thing was the pictures from Trump & Bibi meeting. Then you see why a lot of the Jews hate Trump passionately. Both know how to play them like fiddles. Or, at least, the Diaspora power hungry ones. It means Trump & Bibi understand each other at a very deep level.

That's the actual split and something of a fascinating culture study. Israelis have had to make a country work; the Diaspora have not and cannot actually build anything. Even Israel is starting to play a double-game on the Diaspora over it. (Jewish Tribalism is means they reflexively defend each other, which is really abusable.)

The writer of the piece is clearly of the Diaspora Media Class. They exist to parrot the lies of those above them in some hierarchy. You can predict most of what they're going to say because of the group think. They can't get beyond being part of the Pillager Class, while the Israelis are now part of the Builder Class. That's really the biggest divide. It also divides Western Culture from most of the rest of the World.

Ethnic Conflict let's those above the Media Class pillage, thus that's what they believe. They can't actually get out of that assumption. Stephen Miller is doing good work to stop this from happening, or for Americans to start asking why 2% of the population has 3 sitting SCOTUS Justices.

But I've got to love these quotes:

"Nobody’s politics or worldview should be determined by their racial, ethnic, or religious background"

"American Jews, then, have something of a communal obligation"

He couldn't even make it 4 paragraphs without going full Tribal Expectation.


^^^THIS^^^

So easy for the Diaspora to feed off the fluids of the world....PARASITES VS. BUILDERS.

Blogger LES October 15, 2017 10:22 AM  

Will Trump go to war with Iran for Bibi and a Greater Israel?

Blogger tz October 15, 2017 10:22 AM  

@3 I can think of at least two Jewish enclaves. What your friend hasn't noticed is the increasing number of Muslims - they probably outnumber Jews, and that the blacks keep noticing the difference in outcomes.
He needs to get with the program, or he will get with thr pogrom.

They can be stupid - because the 1965 demographic was welcoming and accomodating, he somehow thinks Mexicans, Central Americans, and Muslim refugees will be the same?

White, Christian, Patriarchal America was welcoming, therefore La Raza and Muslim Minneapolis with the Somali will be?

Rabbis in France, Spain, and more are telling Jews to leave. They are already being persecuted - by Muslims - at early 1930's levels.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 15, 2017 10:28 AM  

@42 I am quite sure that the Lord Jesus Christ knows that 'God Emperor Trump' is a Warhammer 40k joke.

Blogger Quilp October 15, 2017 10:39 AM  

I read an article on Townhall this morning in which the Author (Jewish) describes being invited to write for a Jewish Publication (The Forward) on immigration, and then being shocked when they edit his piece as to be unrecognizable. What the Author (Bruce Bialosky) expects you to take away from his piece is that the media is even more biased towards the left than you had imagined! What I came away with is his innate ability to forgive his tribal members for their lack of honesty, while instead trying to pass off what they had done as ideological. The subject matter (immigration), makes the tribalism (Forward's complete revision of his piece into something he hadn't written, and Bialosky's muted response to it because it was done by a tribal publication) even more blatant..but we are supposed to take away the idea that it was ideology rearing its ugly head.

Blogger Phat Repat October 15, 2017 10:39 AM  

Is it any wonder (((they))) are disinvited no matter where (((they))) go?

Blogger Jew613 October 15, 2017 10:44 AM  

Jews should come home to Israel. But if they do choose to stay in America we need to be good citizens. We should support policies that are good for America and Americans which immigration clearly is not.

But even if their only calculation was is it good for the Jews? They are fools as the foreign hordes largely hate the Jews.

As an aside I've always found the claim of discrimination because Jews were kept out of the best country clubs and universities to be elitist and tone deaf to problems facing the vast majority of people, its a completely ridiculous complaint.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat October 15, 2017 10:46 AM  

That's the American Catholic Church, which is sadly and sinfully almost completely converged. Theyre attempting a kind of slow motion schism. It won't work because it can't work. Every US Catholic should seek out an SSPX church.

Blogger Brad Matthews (Deplorabard) October 15, 2017 10:58 AM  

I like the idea that Isreal must open it's borders to Syrian and Palestinian refugees immediately and do their part for world peace. That can be pushed hard and they will be in a catch 22 if forced to respond.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 15, 2017 11:00 AM  

@60 Abyssus Invocat
Buddy, it's not just the Church in the United States. It's worldwide. And the fish stinks from the head. How do you think Cupich became a Cardinal? Francis hand-picked him.

Blogger Matt October 15, 2017 11:13 AM  

Quite the logical leap, Jew

Blogger Mats October 15, 2017 11:38 AM  

The American idea allowed us to flourish to the point where we are the most widely admired religious group in the country.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous Clueless Cuckservative October 15, 2017 11:41 AM  

But...but...but....muh EMuh LAZuhrus! Muh NAIShun of IMMUhgrunts! Muh Judeo Christ! Whut would Judeo Christ do?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 15, 2017 12:03 PM  

Is it any wonder (((they))) are disinvited no matter where (((they))) go?

I used to understand it intellectually, after I learned some history and saw how they'd worn out their welcome in the same pattern so many times. Watching it happen in real time is much more eye-opening, though. I don't see how this ends any way other than them doubling-down until they're completely expelled or worse. That shouldn't be necessary, but I see no evidence that they can stop themselves.

Blogger slarrow October 15, 2017 12:09 PM  

You do not repay your host's hospitality by usurping his role.

Anonymous Mary October 15, 2017 12:16 PM  

The Jews have not learned an essential lesson from history. Don't make your )))fellow white men((( angry.

Blogger M.S. October 15, 2017 12:22 PM  

James Kirchik was also the guy who wrote a smear article against Ron Paul in 2007. I remember reading the "inflammatory claims" and think, regardless of whether or not Ron wrote this, the claims are true!

Blogger SouthRon October 15, 2017 12:23 PM  

Nick, our kielbasa-loving friend, made me realize something.

What makes me American? I have no other heritage to fall back on. While my ancestors were predominantly English I'm 100% American. Full stop. No hyphen. Hyphen Americans are no such thing. The emphasis is always on the hyphen first and American last.

Sure Nate is a good part Greek, but Greek doesn't define him. He is 100% Southron.

Me on the other hand? While The South is my heritage and adopted home, I know I'll never totally fit, but I'll do my damnedest.

Anonymous Gingas October 15, 2017 12:24 PM  

Stephen Miller must be unseemly then. James Kirchick should revoke his Jew card.

This Hypentated-Americanism displayed by Jews reminds me of the black national anthem, "Lift Every Voice and Sing." Informing cuckservatives and blue-pilled Trump supporters about that song is amusing. You all should see the reactions they have to learning about blacks possessing their own anthem. The melting pot and the proposition nation doesn't mean much to most non-whites. It punches civic nationalists in the gut to see exemplars of that reality.

Many American Jews would do well to stop pushing for globalism and leave for Israel while they still have the chance. The blue-pilled conservatives won't remain blind forever.

Blogger Shimshon October 15, 2017 12:27 PM  

I still remember the hit piece (or was it pieces?) Faygie Jamie wrote on Ron Paul during the 2012 campaign. Idiot doesn't know when to shut up. Maybe he can sponsor (and lead) a Congressional junket to Syria to study the worthiness of importing more Jihadis to the West? Take the 40+ Congressmen implicated in the Awan scandal with him. Oh, and don't come back.

Blogger Shimshon October 15, 2017 12:28 PM  

I stand corrected. He started writing those RP hit pieces during the 2008 campaign.

Blogger Shimshon October 15, 2017 12:29 PM  

"Comments are closed." Typical cuck cowardice.

Blogger flyingtiger October 15, 2017 12:33 PM  

I am non Jewish. I do not understand why Jews should support the importing of anti-smites of the worse kind into a country that actually likes Jews? Can anyone explain this to me?

Anonymous Whowhatwhenwherehow October 15, 2017 12:35 PM  

When FDR "slammed the door" on immigration during those "most desperate hours" how many members of the Jewish community were serving in the military?

How many Jewish GIs were killed in combat in a heroic effort to save their European cousins?

The U.S. National Holocaust memorial was constructed off our National Mall a full quarter century before the Memorial to the soldiers who freed them was opened.

Where are the memorials to the heroic Jewish soldiers? Where is the Spielberg movie?


Anonymous BBGKB October 15, 2017 12:47 PM  

Does anyone know offhand if Little Benji supports or opposes defending Weinstein? Its hard to tell from the context. https://gab.ai/DrDudePhD/posts/13385419
"Jew rapes gentiles, another Jew defends it, Jew after that calls it "brilliant" and another Jew (BENJI)comes in to RT it. Deport Deport Deport."

The leftists love to try to win arguments by misusing words; redefining words.

To be fair there is not a black or brown out there that knows the difference between respect and courtesy. If you watch the documentary of the PULSE shooting you will see the wetback dyke activist has respect for the shooter of 102 and strains at gnats toward the hospital that saved most despite cops waiting 3 hours.

those neurotic ticks might not instead be the manifestation of holding so many irreconcilably contradictory positions at once; in the same 'soul', as it were.

Not mutually exclusive or contradictory, one position for Israel the other for the host nation.

The funny thing was the pictures from Trump & Bibi meeting. Then you see why a lot of the Jews hate Trump passionately.

gay jews fear Bibi more than TRUMP

Such idiots as referenced in this article are writing for a sympathetic liberal Jewish audience, not America as a whole

We call that letting the mask slip.

"Going after the Jews as in throwing them out again will fix nothing if it does not address the underlying issue."

Sam and Koanic in agreement who would have guessed?

I do not understand why Jews should support the importing of anti-smites of the worse kind into a country that actually likes Jews? Can anyone explain this to me?

First they set themselves up to profit when a 50IQ somoli moslem get put on section 8+ welfare, they also believe that if blacks are rioting you wont notice jewish embezzling/corruption, there is also a quote along the lines that if whites are a minority in white nations no Nazi party will be able to take a majority.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 15, 2017 12:51 PM  

Jews should come home to Israel.

Do Israelis really want the Harvey Weinstein / Abe Foxman / Chuckie Schumer club there? I sometimes wonder what they would do if they were actually forced to live in Israel. Would they start trying to pull off all the crap (like importing as many Arabs and Africans as possible) they do here? If so, would they actually get away with it? Would Israel's famous wall come down? Or would they magically morph into Zionists?

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 15, 2017 1:05 PM  

Stephen Miller must be unseemly then. James Kirchick should revoke his Jew card.

He might be getting close. They do revoke tribal membership for accepting the claim of Christ as Messiah (not for atheism, or even conversion to Islam apparently). Serving as an actual Nazi collaborator in the slaughter of your tribesmen does not get you kicked out (((Soros))) and even Bibi only stated that the cattle and sheep (e.g. goyim) should be permitted to criticize (((Soros))). No arrest warrant from Israel for old Gyorgy for his crimes will be forthcoming. It's fairly well explained in Saker's article on the subject. The lesson is never learnt.

Blogger Ned October 15, 2017 1:05 PM  

"American Jews, then, have something of a communal obligation to pay it forward by supporting a liberal immigration regime." Then why all their nattering about Nazis? Shouldn't USA import more? After all, "actual Nazis" seem to be a minority...

Blogger Shimshon October 15, 2017 1:06 PM  

Gen. Kong, Syria and are part of Greater Israel, after all. They can be the vanguard there.

Anonymous BBGKB October 15, 2017 1:27 PM  

Do Israelis really want the Harvey Weinstein / Abe Foxman / Chuckie Schumer club there?

Bibi sent me a personal letter. It said "Please stop telling the godless, bacon eating, cxcksucking jews that they can come to Israel & get paid by taxpayers to pretend to read the Torah."

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables October 15, 2017 1:34 PM  

Question for the ilk, what do you think of the use of 'I'm an American-American" in response to hyphenated Americans? I speak dialectic far more fluently than rhetoric, does that 'work' rhetorically, or no?

Blogger WynnLloyd October 15, 2017 1:40 PM  

Truth.
These SJWs aren't reproducing though. Eventually the Papacy will be restored. So that's worthy of hope, at least.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 15, 2017 1:43 PM  

The biggest problem in my opinion is that we aren't allowed to openly discuss them. If we could, we could identify factions and deal with them as such. Unfortunately EVERY Jewish person is that little girl with the red dress in Schindler's List, just waiting to be murdered by evil gentiles, according to the establishment dogma.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 15, 2017 1:49 PM  

Thanks to you and Looking Glass for this very clarifying set of comments.
It clears up the issue of Israelis for me, as in "The Jewish guys I work with get hysterical over a paper cut, except for the Israeli guy who drinks scotch with us."

I wonder if the are experiencing even greater selective pressure, with the Ks going to Israel to build a nation and defend it while the Rs double down on parasitism.
When I was in the army I had a Jewish buddy. He was always talking about the Israeli military. How great it was. Yet he was the only American Jew I met in the army. I met more Israelis during dining ins than I did American Jews total.

Anonymous Just another commenter October 15, 2017 1:51 PM  

Reads Nobody’s politics or worldview should be determined by their racial, ethnic, or religious background, written by a Jew.

Scratches head....

Uh.... doesn't that sort'a mean you don't think Israel should exist?

The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 15, 2017 1:53 PM  

I love the SSPX.
But what do you think about the ICKSP?
Good? Bad? Traitors? Restorers?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 15, 2017 2:11 PM  

@38 Sam the Man
Such idiots as referenced in this article are writing for a sympathetic liberal Jewish audience, not America as a whole. As such a lot of implicit worldview is assumed.

Cool, so the rest of us are not supposed to Notice this?

The implicit worldview is "Shut up your Goyische mouths and obey your betters".

Do you want more Trump? This is how it happens.
Beyond that, do you want more alt-Retard? More Daily Stormer?

This is how you get it, by stating flatly that "what's good for the Jews" is the proper policy for America. Foreign policy and domestic policy, it has to be good for the Jews and if it craps all over everyone else, "shut up, Goy!".

Such idiots need to make aliyah. Sooner or later, so why not sooner?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 15, 2017 2:31 PM  

Can anyone explain this to me?

Look into the history of Moorish Spain and other instances where Jews got along quite well with Muslims. Many of those they want to import that you're calling "anti-semites" are fellow semites. The idea that Jews and Christians are bosom buddies and Muslims their common enemy is an accident of recent history, and mostly a lie.

Now, imagine that you're Jewish, so you don't like Christians or Muslims, and you're always trying to stop the next Holocaust, so you're keeping your main eye on anyone who looks German. You live in a country that has lots of white Christians, who have an average IQ of 100 and a whole lot of guns. There is a much, much smaller number of Muslims, with an average IQ of 85 or so and a lot of goats, who cause trouble for the first group. Looking only at your tribal concerns, which group might you want a few more of?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 15, 2017 2:35 PM  

@90
Now, imagine that you're Jewish, so you don't like Christians or Muslims, and you're always trying to stop the next Holocaust, so you're keeping your main eye on anyone who looks German

What's funny about this and the perpetual "Cossacks are coming !" mindset? There are still Jews in Germany and Russia.

Where are the Jews of China?

Blogger beerme October 15, 2017 2:56 PM  

They keep proving how right Roosevelt was about hyphenated Americans.

Blogger Shimshon October 15, 2017 2:57 PM  

I've mentioned my recent trip to the US, my first such trip in nearly 13 years.

Besides the culture shock of how much more demographically vibrant LA has become, what struck me about my fellow Jews still stuck in exile was how stuck they really are. People my age (50+) and older, many such couples, who don't have a single child or grandchild in Israel. I'm referring to Orthodox Jews, not the assimilated (or perverted) types like James (the faggot). Their feet are firmly planted in a foreign land, and they like it. That was pretty shocking. They're completely blind to the conflict that's coming too.

Blogger Deep Thought October 15, 2017 3:09 PM  

Stupid Christians who have embraced Juedeo-Christian theology have betrayed their faith and country.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 15, 2017 3:14 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:Going after the Jews as in throwing them out again will fix nothing if it does not address the underlying issue
Good analysis overall, but I would take issue with this part. It's true that it will not fix the underlying problem, but it will stop a large part of the exacerbation and positive feedback cycle that is now occurring. until the extract the Jewish claws from the news media, entertainment industry and American politics, it will be incredibly difficult to fix the underlying problem.

flyingtiger wrote:I do not understand why Jews should support the importing of anti-smites of the worse kind into a country that actually likes Jews?
Most Jews are passively afraid of White Christians, they are trained to fear us from birth. A great many actively hate us.

Whowhatwhenwherehow wrote:When FDR "slammed the door" on immigration during those "most desperate hours" how many members of the Jewish community were serving in the military?
According to the (((Hollywood))) war movies I watched growing up, every unit, every platoon, had one Jewish member, so at least 10% of dogfaces were Jewish. Right?


Blogger Jed Mask October 15, 2017 3:14 PM  

@56 Oh, really?

So... Mr/Ms. Ingot9455, you a believer?

Anonymous Godfrey October 15, 2017 3:18 PM  

Interesting isn't it? While American treasure is spent and naive American youth die to defend and expand Israel's borders (e.g. Iraq, Libya, Syria, and soon Iran), most Jews agitate for open borders here in the USA.

Wake up.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 15, 2017 3:25 PM  

They do revoke tribal membership for accepting the claim of Christ as Messiah (not for atheism, or even conversion to Islam apparently).
There is nothing specifically objectionable for Jews in the Shahada or Muslim practice, except the almost universally ignored prohibition of alcohol. The major theological problem for Jews is Islamic Universalism. But that's nothing a little Talmud can't work around.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 15, 2017 3:26 PM  

Jed Mask wrote:So... Mr/Ms. Ingot9455, you a believer?
Jed, your virtue signalling is tiresome, and more than a little stupid.

Blogger Shimshon October 15, 2017 3:44 PM  

I don't know what the position of the Law of Return is on Jews who "convert" to Islam, but I don't see why it would be any different than the position on Christianity.

Blogger DonReynolds October 15, 2017 3:53 PM  

"American Jews, then, have something of a communal obligation to pay it forward by supporting a liberal immigration regime."

Completely Wrong!
For all of the reasons that American Jews have been so well treated and enjoyed so much success, their OBLIGATION....if there is such a thing for Jews....is owed to the American people, who made every part of it possible with friendship and encouragement.

American Jews owe no debt or obligation to any other foreign nation or their people, most certainly NOT those foreign nationals who invade the adopted home of American Jews....the United States of America.

They have no reason to side with the invaders, or assist with the invasion, or commit treason for any foreign power, or ignore the laws of the country that made them rich and wealthy, which is the United States. American Jews have every reason to be the MOST Patriotic of citizens and the MOST loyal. For them to fail in this regard, only brings shame on their own heads as ungrateful members of a society that has embraced them and welcomed them.

Blogger SteelPalm October 15, 2017 3:55 PM  

Funny; as a Russian Jew, I would argue the exact opposite; BECAUSE America has been so good to Jews (better than Israel, in fact), they SHOULD support white nationalism as a sign of gratitude to their benefactors.

Of course, history has shown, from the Goths in Rome (which Vox covered so well) to the invaders in the US today, that "gratitude" is often the last emotion most immigrants feel. American Jews are no exception, especially once a generation or two has passed.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 15, 2017 4:04 PM  

@96 I've come to be. Why don't you enlighten me as to the scripture wherein Christians are not permitted to make jests at the expense of their enemies?

Blogger WynnLloyd October 15, 2017 4:04 PM  

Damn I am getting so sick of these (((types))) I am tempted to go full fash.

JB Pritzker has an ad for governor of Illinois where he talks enormous slack about the GE, calling him a racist and a Xenophobe. That (((worthless bastard))) is totally transparent though. We may need to support the black Nationalist candidate they will eventually choose to run, if a right wing candidate can't win. Anything to keep that (((cuck))) out of office.

Sorry, but this article is bringing JB Pritzker to mind.

Blogger Jew613 October 15, 2017 4:57 PM  

Whowhatwhenwherehow, the number of Jews in the American military during WWII was 550,000.

There were 38,330 casualties 7,000 killed in action.

What I found interesting was 60% of Jewish doctors under 45 served.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/statistics-on-jewish-american-soldiers-in-world-war-ii

Anonymous Avalanche October 15, 2017 5:09 PM  

@42 "Also, could be "personal choice" but use *Himself* instead of "himself" when referring to the Holy One."

This kind of idiocy is why I have so far avoided 'throwing in' with Christianity. Bro. Jed is seemingly not particularly concerned about "what's good for America, for OUR people"; he's niggling about stupid idiotic 'how you're talking about it' rather what it is and how to achieve it! "Do it MY way or you're not doing it right! Speak the words *I* want you to use, or you're a bad person!" Is THIS why Jesus died on the cross?! So you can argue about whether to use a capital letter or not?!

Maybe AFTER we save a putatively Christian nation, maybe AFTER we drive out the Saracens and the child rapers and the money-changers -- maybe THEN we can spend some time thinking about whether or not HOW one CHOOSES to speak about something is of ANY importance at all!

Are you "a light unto the nations" Brother Jed? Is THAT your purpose here?!?

Anonymous Avalanche October 15, 2017 5:21 PM  

@53 "So easy for the Diaspora to feed off the fluids of the world....PARASITES VS. BUILDERS."

IF these "builders" are actually builders -- then WHY is the U.S still sending them billions and billions of American tax dollars? MAGA somehow include bankrupting us further to help them "build"?!

"According to the Congressional Research Service , the amount of official US aid to Israel since its founding in 1948 tops $121 billion (adjusting for inflation, $233.7 billion as of March 2013), and in the past few decades it has been on the order of $3.1 billion per year.[6] (In 2014, for example, this amounted to $8.5 million every single day.)"
(also:)
"...since at least 2006, the American Defense budget has included between $202 and $504 million per year for missile defense programs in Israel."

http://ifamericaknew.org/stat/cost.html

They ALL must go back! Let your "builders" deal with their "parasites" -- since they are ALSO "parasites"!!

Anonymous Avalanche October 15, 2017 5:25 PM  

@59 "Jews should come home to Israel. But if they do choose to stay in America we need to be good citizens."

Whew, you phrased that TOTALLY wrong! Perhaps you MEANT to write:

IF the AMERICANS choose to LET YOU STAY in America, you'd damned well BETTER be good citizens.


But since you can't and never have throughout all of history in EVERY country you've parasitized -- buh-bye! Make Aliyah by choice -- or assume history is about to catch up with you once again!

Blogger WynnLloyd October 15, 2017 5:26 PM  

Oh wow thanks. That is contrary to my assumptions. Glad to see that they shared the sacrifice. That does change my view somewhat.
I wish that those who hate us did not hate us. But then again everyone hates us so they aren't alone.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 15, 2017 5:26 PM  

75. flyingtiger October 15, 2017 12:33 PM
Can anyone explain this to me?


whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 15, 2017 5:28 PM  

Truth. These SJWs aren't reproducing though. Eventually the Papacy will be restored. So that's worthy of hope, at least.

I see a lot of this kind of pseudo-triumphalism. The fact is that the internal enemy (SJWs) have never relied on procreation to grow their numbers. What many (most?) trad Catholics and Evangelicals who have kids totally ignore - even if they're wise enough to homeschool - is that all universities are basically SJW indoctrination camps. They Harvey Weinstein's casting couch writ large. So it hardly matters if they don't procreate if they capture our young via the pincers of academia at all levels and culture at all levels - areas completely under their rule.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 15, 2017 5:31 PM  

It seems like it's natural for Americans to empathize with Jews. English also. Really the Anglosphere in general.
I want to empathize with them also. Maybe Vox will be wrong (he never is) and there won't be conflict. A peaceful unity like the GE has in his family. That's wishful thinking but I can't wish for conflict even though it's probably inevitable.

Anonymous Anonymous October 15, 2017 5:40 PM  

@Jew613 "There were 38,330 casualties 7,000 killed in action."

Jews were 3-4% of the population during WW2. The figure would have to be between 12,000-16,000 kia to match the other groups/religions. Hence- no memorials or Spielberg movies- just endless horror stories of the anti-Semites they encountered while serving.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 15, 2017 6:17 PM  

Being an academic, I am absolutely convinced that academia is a paper tiger. As time goes on less and less influence exists for SJWs. They are already the dumbest of faculty members and it's getting even worse. The doubling down and extreme measures are due to their vulnerability in this new post-Obama period. Not due to their strength.
Honestly I doubt half the number of students attending college now will be attending 20 years from now. It will be even worse once the bubble bursts. The SJWs only seem to really affect a certain type of female student. The nonwhites, homosexual activists, and cucks were already converted in high school. But they can't maintain a university. Not as faculty and not as students.

With the Church it's even more extreme. It's not that there are ten times the four year olds in trad liturgies than in the other, but that there are 20 times the number of 30 year olds there, because the other contains none. Liberal Christianity will die with the boomers. That wing of the Church will be replaced by African liberation theology priests, who will nonetheless be burning witches in their homelands.

The thing is, the parasites can't maintain their own institutions. They could recruit in the ever prosperous 20th century. Kids are already pissed that they had to adhere to the diversity scam just to work at Starbucks.

With continued economic difficulty anger will well up more and more. As Vox has predicted. Our children won't be easy prey for these aging buffoons.

Lastly, I do believe that much of it is genetic. R selected leftists had children in 1960. Even black American numbers are falling now. Hence the need to import. It's a very long, very trying evolutionary bottleneck.

But I agree that they still have a massive amount of power. I don't want to take away from your very important point.

Blogger Phat Repat October 15, 2017 6:35 PM  

@66 And here is where Taleb's The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority breaks down. Though I have a great deal of respect for him, there is always a point reached, not unlike now, where the intolerant are just no longer tolerable by the tolerant and the backlash becomes swift and severe; and likely far more severe than (((they))) could anticipate. But, that's human nature, not knowing when to say when.

Blogger Jew613 October 15, 2017 6:39 PM  

Jews made up 4.23% of the armed forces during WWII. About right for the jewish population in the USA at the time. Why the casualty rate was lower then the average I don't know.

Blogger Jew613 October 15, 2017 6:53 PM  

Avalanche, Israel has received direct American aide since 1977, and it's always been 3.1 billion per year. It hasn't increased over time. This aide is part of the camp David accords, to make up for the oil revenue Israel lost by surrendering the Sinai to Egypt under American pressure.

The reason the USA is paying for the missile research is Israel is sharing the findings with the American military.

All foreign aide to Israel should be stopped immediately. Honestly I'd prefer if we paid it all back but that is not politically realistic.

OpenID oBHUG4I4r4nsmolLrOQXuzmZRGkOQCWOIEdx October 15, 2017 7:20 PM  

Sidehill Dodger ruminates:

VD wrote:
A man cannot serve two masters. And while a man can collect as much paperwork as he likes, he can never be member of two nations. Jesus Christ himself told Christians they were to be in, but not of, the world, which is why Christians have been considered a threat by governments everywhere since the days of the Emperor Augustus.

But a nation is neither a state nor a government. Much mischief has been committed, and much confusion has been sown, by those who insist on conflating the nation with the state.


Well, this thread is about finished, so I might as well throw in my two bits, and kill it dead. Vox, you said some things that caught my interest in those two paragraphs, but no one else seems to have commented on them.

I wanted to talk about what you said here because my understanding of the word "nation" is more than a little vague. I understand what the state is pretty clearly for someone who isn't a political philosopher.

Briefly, a state is the set of ideal and legal forms according to which a particular defined geographical region is governed. Faith and credence in the existence and the right to existence of such a state is shared by both its citizens and its neighbor states. This consensus implies two very important qualities of a state, in addition to having defined borders and a government, states are sovereign and legitimate. States can, of course, lose one or more of these characteristics--this is usually a preliminary to their destruction.

But what is a "nation"? You speak of "conflating" nation and state, and imply that this is a serious error. I agree that they are two entirely different words...but I am not at all sure exactly what a "nation" is. I'm hoping you can help me out, if you could please spare the time. What is your definition of "nation", and how is it related to the text you quoted? What, exactly, is the mistake that results from the conflation?

Are the Jews a nation? If so, then "nation" means pretty much the same as "people", right? Maybe even the same thing as the German Volk? I remember references to Indian (feather) nations, but these references can just as easily be resolved to the equivalent of tribe. Are "nations" peoples who want to have--or deserve to have--their own state? That would seem to be pretty ad hoc. Clearly, I'm confused. Can you help me out, Vox?

OpenID oBHUG4I4r4nsmolLrOQXuzmZRGkOQCWOIEdx October 15, 2017 7:35 PM  

Sidehill Dodger complains:

A short time ago, my handle was replaced by a random--looking string in the heading whenever I post on this blog. I've noticed that a few other people have this problem. It may be related to using OpenId, or specifically an OpenId based on Yahoo. The problem could be at their end, of course, but it could also be with BlogSpot. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

I don't want to get a Blogspot ID because they want to tie it back to my Google ID, which requires me to give them my mobile phone number. Too much information.

Thanks,
the Dodger

Anonymous BBGKB October 15, 2017 7:39 PM  

90. Blogger Cail Corishev

Throughout Time jews & moslems have worked together like Master/blaster from Thunderdome. Smart midget, strong muscle gimp.

Blogger Jew613 October 15, 2017 8:26 PM  

Not really, while there were individual instances such as the Moorish invasion of Spain of collaboration in general the Jews were on the very bottom in Islamic society.

Greek Orthodox Christians were the top of the dhimmi system for example during the Ottoman empire. Jews were at the bottom, this was the general pattern with occasional exceptions.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 15, 2017 8:34 PM  

Sidehill Dodger, you can always just use the Name/URL method and leave the URL blank, like I do.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 15, 2017 8:52 PM  

I'm not Vox, but I would describe a nation as a people with a country (the land). So Israeli Jews have a nation (a people + a country) and a state, Diasporans have only paperwork and a tribe -- a state but not a nation -- and Kurds have a nation without its own state.

So speaking as an unhyphenated American, I would say that guys like this clown are "rewarding" my ancestral generosity by trying to destroy my nation, by using their influence to dispossess us of our country.

RAGE

Anonymous Jack Amok October 16, 2017 1:20 AM  

A nation is a collection of genetically and culturally related tribes.

Another way to think of it are, nations are the opposite of diversity. Nations are a collection of people with enough naturally occurring common behaviors to live together under the same rules without race riots happening.

Anonymous sidehill October 16, 2017 1:44 AM  

SciVo, thanks, that helps me think about "nation" somewhat more clearly. One example that might not fit into the scheme you suggest are the gypsies (Rom, Romany, whatever). I'd say that they are pretty clearly a people, but aren't associated with a land.

What about the Palestinians? Hmm. Here we have two people that claim the same land...and only one of them has a state. The Irish might be another borderline case: they are a people, and they have both a country and a state. However, the Irish in the North of the island don't see themselves as expatriates--they think the land they're living in should be theirs (i.e. part of the Irish state).

I suspect I'm just going to have to accept that "nation" is one of those useful words that have an inherently murky definition. Maybe nationhood is also more of an emotional thing, while states tend to be cerebral?

Thanks for giving me more to think about.

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger October 16, 2017 1:55 AM  

Can't stop thinking about this. Who ever said that Gypsies were a nation? So maybe that's not a problematic case at all. They're just a people, not a nation and certainly have no state.

So was 19th Century "nationalism" the struggle of nations to acquire their own states? For example, the unification of Germany (after Napoleon introduced them to the benefits of having a powerful state at your back.) I think I should be reading something about this. Any suggestions, anyone?

Oh, and thanks for suggesting the Name/URL method...works fine. Actually, it bothers me that this OpenId stuff works at all...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 16, 2017 2:49 AM  

Avalanche wrote:This kind of idiocy is why I have so far avoided 'throwing in' with Christianity.
That's a lie, and you know it.

Jew613 wrote:Why the casualty rate was lower then the average I don't know.
Watch Kelly's Heroes to get an idea of how Jews served. One of the few honest depictions of Jewish behavior I've ever seen in a Hollywood film.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 16, 2017 3:17 AM  

I finally got around to actually reading the linked article. It's nothing about immigration at all. It's just a middle school girl telling everyone how horrible the prettier, more popular girl who stole her imaginary boyfriend is.

It was Kirchick allowing his envy of Miller to write a column for him.

Blogger NITZAKHON October 16, 2017 6:30 AM  

@flyingtiger:

I am an American. I am Jewish. I, and several members of my (mostly) left-leaning Synagogue are baffled at the Islamo-philia of the majority of our congrgation specifically, and American Jews in general.

It's truly frustrating. Day after day comes news from Europe of more anti-Semitism from the "rapefugees" - attacks on Jewish buildings too. Many Synagogues in Europe are now guarded 24/7 by armed guards, with fences and concertina wire. And STILL they push for more to be admitted.

The only thing I can think of is a term I've coined: "malignant empathy."

Now, empathy itself is a good thing, but it needs to be tempered by the idea that one should aid others only so long as it does not do injury to yourself (or, by extention in this case, your community and country). Somehow that limit sensor has been short-circuited/bypassed.

From what I've observed, the unifying factor is Leftism. My fellow Jews, both known to me personally, as well as notables like Pam Geller, David Horowitz, Daniel Greenfield, Dennis Prager, etc., who oppose this invasion are - drum roll please - Conservative politically.

So look at those Jews on TV pushing for this; dollars-to-donuts, if you research, you will find there's a "D" behind their name.


@WynnLloyd:

Very good point r/K.

American Jews have, like most Americans, lived in a world without hardship. Israeli Jews live, for the most part, in a world where they need to fight to live and be on guard every day.

Probably that's why I scream at every Jew wanting more Muslims HAVE YOU LOST YOUR SURVIVAL INSTINCT?


@Cail Corishev

The "Andalusian Paradise" was a myth.


As to American foreign aid, I'm ALL FOR reducing it to zero in a graduated way. Israel can, and should, stand on its own - not the least of which is to prevent exactly the arguments about that aid being presented here.

Blogger Meimou October 16, 2017 11:06 AM  

Why did the scorpion sting the frog?

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable October 16, 2017 12:22 PM  

An interesting article on the fabrication of Australian Aboriginal history in relation to "white" genocide of blacks (https://www.newcriterion.com/issues/2001/9/the-fabrication-of-aboriginal-history). The important pull point, besides the political agenda behind the fabrication, is quote at the end of the article taken from Bruce Thornton's book, Plagues of the Mind.

By denigrating Western civilization—the imperfect but still best hope for controlling humanity’s penchant for evil and for providing the greatest freedom for the greatest number of people—the myth of the noble savage nurtures the false hope that human perfection and freedom are possible without civilization.

This explains a lot.

Blogger Jew613 October 16, 2017 9:57 PM  

Snidely, it's been a while since I saw it but I don't remember any Jewish characters in Kelly's Heroes. Also total deaths of Jews serving in the American military was 11000. Only 7000 were killed in combat.

Blogger bosscauser October 17, 2017 10:41 AM  

Jews became very successful because up until recently we haven't admitted MUSLIMS!

Jesus these people are stupid!

Gabai./Garrycauser

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