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Monday, October 16, 2017

Because they haven't lost enough fans

ProFootballTalk, which should change its name to FlagFootballTalk, has an exceptionally bad idea:
The hit that broke Aaron Rodgers‘ collarbone on Sunday wasn’t illegal. Maybe it should be.

Vikings outside linebacker Anthony Barr hit Rodgers just after Rodgers released a pass, and the two of them tumbled to the turf with Barr on top of Rodgers. That rather ordinary hit broke Rodgers’ collarbone and dramatically affected the entire NFL season, possibly knocking Rodgers out until 2018 and in the process ending realistic Super Bowl hopes for the Packers.

I think it may be time for a radical rule change, one that makes hits like Barr’s illegal. It may be time for the NFL to consider dramatically expand the roughing the passer rules, and treat quarterbacks like kickers and punters: Basically, you can’t hit them at all once they’ve thrown a pass.

I know, I know, you’re going to tell me I’m soft and weak and ruining the game of football, and that we might as well just play flag football if we’re going to do that. And I’m here to tell you I’ve heard it all before.

I heard the same thing when the NFL changed the roughing the passer rules to prohibit low hits on quarterbacks after Tom Brady suffered a season-ending knee injury in 2008: “How can defensive players possibly be expected to avoid those hits?” But defensive players adjusted, and it’s now unremarkable that those hits are penalized.

And I heard the same thing when the NFL implemented the horse-collar tackle rule: “How can any defensive player ever catch a runner from behind?” But defensive players adjusted, and now the horse-collar tackle rule has been adopted at every level of football and is completely noncontroversial.

I believe the same thing would happen if the NFL dramatically changed the roughing the passer rule. Yes, at first it would seem wrong to see defensive players penalized for putting a shoulder in a quarterback’s chest after he throws a pass. But defensive players would get used to it, coaches would get used to it, and fans would get used to it.

And it would make the game safer for the quarterbacks, the most important players on the field. Is it really a good thing for the NFL that Aaron Rodgers might miss the entire season? Are hits like Barr’s really so fundamental to football that we can’t outlaw them for the health of quarterbacks and the good of the sport? I don’t think so.

The NFL already protects quarterbacks far more than it did when I was growing up as a football fan in the 1980s. But the league can do more. Roughing the passer needs to be expanded.
If they're going to further protect the quarterback, then they need to make it easier for the defensive players to sack them. Either go to two-hands-touch and he's down or give the quarterback two flags and tearing off one of them means he's down. As silly as those options sound, they are much better than pretending that it is still legal to tackle the quarterback, but banning most of the ways to actually tackle him.

But I have two better ideas that will fix nearly everything that is wrong with the NFL on the field.

  1. Weight limits determined by position. No more 280-pound steroid monsters running a 4.6 forty. Get too big, you won't play.
  2. Require quarterbacks to call all the plays with no more interference from the coaches and sidelines.
Of course, neither of these rules changes will fix the problem of convergence of the league's owners and office, but they would fix the main problem of the on-field product being increasingly boring.

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Blogger Lucas Temple (a.k.a. Armenia4ever) October 16, 2017 1:03 PM  

Might as well watch the UFC, if people haven't been irritated by how much physical contact in the NFL is being diminished.

Blogger Matamoros October 16, 2017 1:08 PM  

Aaron Rogers was a kneeler, so I don't have a lot of sympathy for him.

Having said that, thugball, played mostly be negro felons, has not been football since at least the late 60s.

They can't run real plays, have to use gloves to catch the ball, instead of good sportsmanship we see chicken dance type crap.

Either cuck it all the way, as Vox says, or make it real football without the affirmative action players.

Blogger Johnny October 16, 2017 1:09 PM  

I like the you touch him he is down rule.

When they asked Terry Bradshaw how they could make the game safe for quarterbacks, he suggested, "have them wear skirts."

Anonymous EH October 16, 2017 1:15 PM  

Weight limits are a good idea. An alternative to position weight limits: each side is limited to a certain total weight on the field, say one metric ton; weigh fully equipped players before kickoff and after the game so no incentive to dehydrate and rehydrate.

Blogger Phat Repat October 16, 2017 1:18 PM  

As soon as da foosball playas didn't look like me, or I couldn't understand da wurds be coming from dey moufs; I lost interest. But, to each their own.

And, if all stats (I know) are to be believed, who would allow their chidren to play a sport where permanent brain damage is a distinct possibility? NFL = Dead Sport Walking

Blogger Lazarus October 16, 2017 1:26 PM  

Outlaw the forward pass.

Or, go back to the 1906 rule where an incomplete forward pass resulted in a turnover.

Anonymous Eli October 16, 2017 1:32 PM  

Fortunately, a lot of people in the comments are picking apart his argument. So it seems like common sense is prevailing over there.

Anonymous Alan Turing's Foreskin October 16, 2017 1:32 PM  

why not replace human players entirely, with robotic players? Then you could introduce chain saws and flame throwers.

Anonymous FisherOfMen October 16, 2017 1:32 PM  

Let's do it this way... let's further protect the quarterback, and in a couple years we can celebrate the first female quarterback.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 16, 2017 1:37 PM  

“Let's do it this way... let's further protect the quarterback, and in a couple years we can celebrate the first female quarterback.”

The obvious endgame.

Blogger James Dixon October 16, 2017 1:43 PM  

> As silly as those options sound, they are much better than pretending that it is still legal to tackle the quarterback, but banning most of the ways to actually tackle him.

90% of what used to be a great hit is now a penalty.

Anonymous Ugh October 16, 2017 1:50 PM  

And I heard the same thing when the NFL implemented the flag football rule: “Won't that change the nature of the game?” But players adjusted, and now the flag football rule has been adopted at every level of football and is completely noncontroversial.

Anonymous dh October 16, 2017 1:52 PM  

The entire NFL is in jeopardy if the NFL doesn't deal with this. If you have insanely jacked mega-athletes, like you do now, playing bone crunching plays like you, you will continue to have serious injuries and massive rates of CTE/brain injury. So either fans and the league and the players have to get used to the fact that players have an unusually short lifespan in the range of ~52-55 years and that many or most will die a violent death, or else the game is reformed to be less dependent on hits.

Interestingly I've recently learned that rugby is a much safer game because of the lack of pads and safety equipment, and the fact that it's kinetically much more linear game.

A sports league I was involved with that was combined AAU level football & cheer recently folded the football portion of the game because the number of parents willing to sign up their kids to play declined very quickly. The number of acute cheer-leading injuries was much higher than the boys suffered on the field, but broken arms and tailbones are well understood where as concussions and head trauma's appear to be more opaque.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 16, 2017 1:52 PM  

Sports radio guy Steve Czaban calls the NFL "a TV show about quarterbacks," and that's kinda what it's become. They need guys like Aaron Rodgers to play as long as possible, because they aren't being replaced fast enough to fill the league with stars at the position.

Weight limits sound good (Czabe has also talked about that). I like your idea of having the QB call the plays, too. It should mean the QB will have a better idea of what's happening, since he'd tend to pick plays he's more confident about. It's starting to feel a little too much like two coaches playing Madden sometimes.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 16, 2017 1:52 PM  

Passing already has become the dominate strategy. This will cement it. There would be no reason to run the ball if the quarterbacks now get at least another second from doing a pump fake. The defensive line is going to be afraid to go full speed at a quarterback as well so this changes a 2-3 second passing decision to a 4-6 second eternity. Sure fire way to make games boring. DBs and recievers are going to need insane amounts of conditioning.

Blogger Johnny October 16, 2017 1:54 PM  

The problem with making football a slugfest (or is it thug fest) is that there is a smaller audience for that sort of thing. The game has already been softened up a lot from the old leather helmet no face mask version.

So I don't know. They tolerate boxing, and when it comes to brain issues that sport is way worse.

Anonymous Faceless October 16, 2017 1:54 PM  

Instead of tackling the quarterback, making a vehement demand that he check his passer privilege before throwing the ball should make it dead by rule.

Blogger Cetera October 16, 2017 1:55 PM  

It's all because QBs were coached to step up and make the throw in the face of the hit. So the hits always become hits on a defenseless player.

Dumbshits. You don't want to get a concussion, don't take the hit. Don't want to get broken bones, don't take the hit. There's no need for a defenseless receiver rule. If you don't want to get wrecked, don't go attempt that catch, and QBs will stop throwing it.

As the money starts to dry up in the NFL, fewer players will be willing to sacrifice their body and bodily integrity for the big paychecks, and self-preservation will kick in. The game will evolve naturally again to something that is more akin to normal athletics combined with great skill, and less of a super-human freak show with a bunch of 'roid-rage antics of destruction. It is the money that has largely wrecked the NFL.

Blogger Matthew Asnip October 16, 2017 1:57 PM  

Legends Football League.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xk9wqxZfP8

Anonymous humor attempts October 16, 2017 1:58 PM  

its good that they moved the field goal posts to the back of the end zone instead of the front of the end zone, in the 50s or 60s, running into that full speed I would imagine could hurt

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 16, 2017 2:03 PM  

dh, out here our local high school we had a White QB take a big hit from a kneel-gro a few years back. Ruptured the White kid’s spleen, he was dead before they brought him to the ER. Feel how you want about public schools. Our community still feels the loss.

Anonymous andrewknorr October 16, 2017 2:05 PM  

Sailer had some good ideas. Reduce rosters so players have to play both sides of the ball. Make it 9 on 9 to give more of an advantage to speed vs. size. Reducing the roster would also eliminate ridiculous specializations like punter / kicker / long snapper. One guy to long snap? Nobody else can figure out how to do that? And the kicker can't figure out how to punt?

Blogger Johnny October 16, 2017 2:06 PM  

humor attempts wrote:its good that they moved the field goal posts to the back of the end zone instead of the front of the end zone, in the 50s or 60s, running into that full speed I would imagine could hurt

I forget the name, but way back when I watched a player slam head first into a goal post. I was amazed he could get up and walk away.

Blogger David Power October 16, 2017 2:09 PM  

I get on one knee before every MFL game begins. Looking for the tv remote so I can switch that crap off.

Blogger Johnny October 16, 2017 2:10 PM  

George Carlin has a whole humor routine based on football as a form of symbolic war. It thought actually hold up pretty good.

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson October 16, 2017 2:14 PM  

The dirty secret about football is these players have been taking HGH and other performance enhancing drugs since they were 14 years old. It isn't natural for men to be 6'4 250 pounds with a 32 inch waist. They only got that way because of the massive cocktails of performance enhancing drugs that they've been consuming. If you get the performance enhancing drugs out of the league, then the players would get smaller and the bigger guys would get slower.

Just look at college football. The college players today are bigger and faster than NFL players in the 80's and most of the 90's. That isn't natural but nobody wants to talk about the 800 lb gorilla in the room which is the massive use of performance enhancing drugs in football.

Anonymous Sebastian Delacroix October 16, 2017 2:24 PM  

or just let the fukkers destroy each other as they see fit. i doubt the Romans ever stopped to ponder how they could make the games more humane. fukk no. they said "you know what, wrapping the christians in blood soaked lamb skins is just the ticket!"

Blogger YIH October 16, 2017 2:25 PM  

andrewknorr wrote:Sailer had some good ideas. Reduce rosters so players have to play both sides of the ball. Make it 9 on 9 to give more of an advantage to speed vs. size. Reducing the roster would also eliminate ridiculous specializations like punter / kicker / long snapper. One guy to long snap? Nobody else can figure out how to do that? And the kicker can't figure out how to punt?
Been tried already: https://infogalactic.com/info/Arena_football

Blogger OGRE October 16, 2017 2:26 PM  

@26 this exactly.

Anonymous c matt October 16, 2017 2:32 PM  

Punters ans kickers have a very defined role and particular mechanics of executing it that make defense against them far more predictable and circumscribed. Basically, you are aiming at the ball to block it, not the player to prevent advancement.
Comparing it to punters/kickers seems off.

Correct me if I am wrong, but if a punter or kicker deviates from that role (i.e., takes off running with the ball) they are fair game.

Anonymous Zippy October 16, 2017 2:41 PM  

I like Sailer's ideas of limiting substitutions. Lots of these 300 pound guys can't even play 3 or 4 downs, much less play offense and defense, like Bronco Nagurski. And it would emphasize endurance, making the league less black.

Plus, if you limited substitution so the quarterback (for example) would double as the punter, punts would be more interesting AND you'd have all sorts of incentives for trick plays. I remember players like Danny White (QB/Punter) and George Blanda (QB/Kicker). More like them!

Another idea is to ban artificial turf and require grass be longer, to slow things down. Landing on NFL artificial turf is like landing on concrete.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 16, 2017 2:45 PM  

Wait till genetic engineering, 400lb tight ends running 4.6 40s leaping 10ft in the air for catches, monster ball.

Been a fan since a wee lad nearly 50 years, but I wouldn't miss it if it dropped off the face of the Earth today.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 16, 2017 2:48 PM  

The solution isn't rugby pads; it's modern armor. By using the new polymers for soft, full-body scale armor of surgical grade "soft-tissue" distribution that enhances muscles, reduces overstretch, eliminates concussions, and makes the players look like real-life superheroes instead of tank projectiles. This would be anti-fragile, as well, as the contact flexibility would actually often strengthen the body on impact. The helmets could look like a combination of Magneto and Darth Vader space samurai if they want them to.

I'm fairly confident we would eliminate brain trauma and severe neck injury from the game immediately. Rogers would have bounced after that hit and felt invigorated.

Blogger Unknown October 16, 2017 2:49 PM  

Football in general is on its elephant walk. Behemoths need to go into wrestling, MMA, UFC, Boxing or some new gladiatorial sport.

Anonymous TheTruthIsNeverAcceptable October 16, 2017 2:50 PM  

It should be noted that Rogers did nothing to protect himself as he went down. I have seen some quarterbacks who roll with the hit to avoid the very thing that happened, landing directly on your shoulder.

Anonymous dh October 16, 2017 2:51 PM  

> Been a fan since a wee lad nearly 50 years, but I wouldn't miss it if it dropped off the face of the Earth today.

College football seems to be replacing a lot of what the NFL used to be for real fans.

Blogger sysadmn October 16, 2017 2:51 PM  

@Jeffrey Johnson
I've read, but cannot substantiate that the PED testing is a bit of a joke. For example, there are two ways to test for Human Growth Hormone. The biomarker test detects use up to two weeks back, and the isoform test has a 10 - 20 hour window. Guess which one the NFL uses? Guess who gets a 24 hour advance notice of testing?

There are two factors in Testosterone testing. One looks at blood levels. Since individuals' levels vary, the "FAIL" level is set high. It used to be 6 times the high end of normal! I've heard, but can't find a definitive citation, that it is now 2 times high normal. The normal range of testosterone levels in healthy adult males is between 280 to 1,100 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL), with young healthy men typically running 500-800 ng/dl. The second test looks at the testosterone/epitestosterone level. Normally, this runs 1:1; the NFL allows 4:1, and used to allow 6:1. Using injectible Testosterone No Ester (TNE) or patch or gel based Testosterone allows the t/e ratio to fall in 12 - 24 hours after use.

Blogger Rambam October 16, 2017 2:52 PM  

Football in general, Pee Wee to Pro, is on its elephant walk. Behemoths need to go into some other gladiatorial sport.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 16, 2017 3:01 PM  

One thing about college ball it is not an injury timeout per series of plays, but it is still the Juice Bowl.

Blogger Quadko October 16, 2017 3:06 PM  

I thought it was raciss to have special rules to protect the QBs from being touched by the offensive line?

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 16, 2017 3:13 PM  

Sportsball and its (((owners))) are the enemy. Why do otherwise sensible people insist on handing their sworn enemies cans of water when they're in the process of setting themselves ablaze when instead they should be handing them sans of gasoline and telling them it's a magic fire retardant? The Z-man gives a fairly common sense explanation. You can't revive a corpse. Burn. it. down. - Faster.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 16, 2017 3:21 PM  

National Football for Liberals.

Who cares what they do?

Haven't watched since Week 3. It's good to get that time back.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 16, 2017 3:34 PM  

Football at ALL levels needs a strict anti-drug regimen...that holds the teams accountable, not just the players. Test positive, you're out for a year - and the team isn't allowed a replacement.

And yes, if the NFL is so all-fired worried about QBs, they can go to a two-hands-on-is-tackled rule.

Anonymous Humor attempts October 16, 2017 3:36 PM  

But in all seriousness i dont want to see them get hurt its good if there is concern for their physical well being...You could hear those loud cracks just watching on TV. I was always curious what it must be like to get tackled by a swarm of defensive lineman and linebackers. Football players are brave tough men.

Blogger Nate October 16, 2017 3:43 PM  

Fixing the injury problem in the NFL is easy.

Make them take the pads off.

Blogger Mr. Naron October 16, 2017 3:49 PM  

What people are complaining about every time they change the rules is the removal of risk, which is the thrill of the game. When the thrill is gone, the fans are gone. Injuries are NECESSARY. It's laudable to try to reduce head and neck injuries, but collarbones? Nope.

Anonymous Corrox October 16, 2017 3:49 PM  

Speaking of losing fans: Games Workshop is revealing an initiative to increase representation of women and minorities in Warhammer 40,000. Well, at least some social media rep made it sound that way.

There certainly already is pressure from SJWs. And I doubt that the sort of wargamers that play wh40k is going to be better suited to defend against appeals to include more women, since they're mostly bumbling, low-t nerds desperate to find women that have an interest in their hobby and completely lacking any instincts at all to detect maliciousness or duplicity from women.

Hey, maybe we'll get a miniatures division of Castalia House out of it!

Blogger Cloudbuster October 16, 2017 3:56 PM  

That's a pretty ridiculous rule. Whether the quarterback has passed is both binary and impossible to predict. The quarterback will be able to effectively draw penalty flags at will by making crap passes when he sees the tackler has committed to the tackle and simply has too much momentum to stop.

Alternatively (and probably simultaneously), tackles will become so tentative about approaching quarterbacks that quarterbacks will be able to stave off tackles simply by faking passes.

Anonymous Mayonnaise October 16, 2017 4:06 PM  

Want me back as a fan? The NFL can start with the small things:

1. No more nasty dreadlocks hanging out of helmets.
2. No more pussy gloves. (Matamoros beat me to this.)
3. No more tinted visors.
4. No more eyeblack. Everyone know it doesn't do sh*t.

While I'm at it, NFL broadcasters should be banned from saying "He got shaken up on the play" when the player is laying there with a piece of tibia poking through the skin.

Blogger Rez Zircon October 16, 2017 4:09 PM  

@37 "Behemoths need to go into some other gladiatorial sport."

Sumo wrestling is always looking for a few good giants.

Blogger tuberman October 16, 2017 4:11 PM  

O.T. Alt*Hero $120,200 +

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass October 16, 2017 4:11 PM  

I haven't watched it since the knee thing in September. Having said that, even BS targeting calls have made their way into college football (which I still watch). No matter how hard wimps like ProFootballTalk complain, if hit a QB a few seconds after he's released the ball (like has happened in Purdue and A&M's last two games; think about how fast the players are going at that point), it shouldn't be targeting or roughing the passer, etc. Grow up and grow a pair or leave watching the game.

I obviously didn't watch any of Sunday's games but the hit on Rodgers sounds like it was legit. Too f@$*ing bad! Deal with it.

Johnny wrote:I like the you touch him he is down rule.

When they asked Terry Bradshaw how they could make the game safe for quarterbacks, he suggested, "have them wear skirts."


LOL!

EH wrote:Weight limits are a good idea. An alternative to position weight limits: each side is limited to a certain total weight on the field, say one metric ton; weigh fully equipped players before kickoff and after the game so no incentive to dehydrate and rehydrate.

If you knew guys that played in the '70s, weights really weren't a thing. Maybe we should do away with them weightlifting as well.

Alan Turing's Foreskin wrote:why not replace human players entirely, with robotic players? Then you could introduce chain saws and flame throwers.

They did that in The Jetsons but not with such epicness as you propose.

Jeffrey Johnson wrote:The dirty secret about football is these players have been taking HGH and other performance enhancing drugs since they were 14 years old. It isn't natural for men to be 6'4 250 pounds with a 32 inch waist. They only got that way because of the massive cocktails of performance enhancing drugs that they've been consuming. If you get the performance enhancing drugs out of the league, then the players would get smaller and the bigger guys would get slower.

Just look at college football. The college players today are bigger and faster than NFL players in the 80's and most of the 90's. That isn't natural but nobody wants to talk about the 800 lb gorilla in the room which is the massive use of performance enhancing drugs in football.


Wouldn't surprise me if that is the case.

dh wrote:> Been a fan since a wee lad nearly 50 years, but I wouldn't miss it if it dropped off the face of the Earth today.

College football seems to be replacing a lot of what the NFL used to be for real fans.


It has replaced ALL of what the NFL used to be for me.

Mayonnaise wrote:Want me back as a fan? The NFL can start with the small things:

1. No more nasty dreadlocks hanging out of helmets.

2. No more pussy gloves. (Matamoros beat me to this.)

3. No more tinted visors.

4. No more eyeblack. Everyone know it doesn't do sh*t.

While I'm at it, NFL broadcasters should be banned from saying "He got shaken up on the play" when the player is laying there with a piece of tibia poking through the skin.



Re #2 I completely forgot that the league is in its obligatory breast cancer month.

Maybe going back to the way it was in the '60s and '70s, with these guys holding down real jobs in the off season...

Blogger Azimus October 16, 2017 4:18 PM  

What is wrong with human brains that whenever something "bad" happens, we must change rules/laws/norms? I say this as a Packer fan and Fantasy Football Franchise who just lost his 1st round pick - the hit was fine.

I REALLY like the idea of making players play both ways - or at least, no substitutions per series for offense and defense, unless a timeout is called. That would instantly drop 30lbs off of every player on the field, in some cases 50lbs, with a corresponding decrease in Kinetic Energy in tackling.

Blogger Azimus October 16, 2017 4:18 PM  

And yes that was on purpose.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 16, 2017 4:21 PM  

Convergence turbines to power, entering final suicide dive!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-to-formally-endorse-criminal-justice-legislation-finance-activism-boot-camp/

Blogger jova October 16, 2017 4:22 PM  

eliminate unlimited substitutions and issue stronger penalties for steroid use...

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 16, 2017 4:26 PM  

Nate wrote:Fixing the injury problem in the NFL is easy.

Make them take the pads off.



I agree that taking the pads off will reduce injuries significantly, but it won't do anything for ACL and knees, and still won't be as good as soft dragon-scale armor for concussions and necks.

After all, Clarence Von Bokkelen died from head injury without any pads on, as did a dozen or more people that year, including high school kids with ruptured intestines.

So, no pads is better than the rigid ballistic rams they wear on their heads and shoulders, but flex-medical boost armor is better than both of them combined. Seriously, it could eliminate the concussion from the game, and reduce the joint injuries by half, if not more. You simply wouldn't have the MASH unit thing anymore. Now, your running game will likely see greater YPC, because tackling someone will require more frequent fundamental form, and the bounce-off bashes simply won't bring anyone down, but think that would be an exciting bonus, not a drawback. Dickerson's yardage would likely be broken in year one.

But we could start in pop warner anyhow. Those little kids will be way more safe, balanced, and athletic with modern dragon-scale, instead of looking like inverted weeble-wobbles with a hard-shell.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 16, 2017 4:36 PM  

Also, if you had the soft tissue support material stop at the knee like the current pants, you could still have a soft scale sock that gave joint support to the ankle and could go far enough up to prevent double breaks like the one LT gave to Theismann.

It would be a more slippery, fluid game, with square blocks rewarded, but half-blocks less effective, but fundamentally, it would be the same thing, with the elimination of "defenseless" anything, because the human body would no longer be much of a weapon. You'd still get spectacular hits, but resultant injuries would be far less frequent, and in many cases would provide greater muscular resilience to the target.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 16, 2017 4:43 PM  

#2 OP is a very good idea, because that will also solve the "most teams have incompetent QBs" problem immediately. Suddenly, great RBs become mission critical again for every team.

Blogger Glenn Phillips October 16, 2017 4:50 PM  

Great press gaggle today, check it out.

Anonymous Jonathan October 16, 2017 4:58 PM  

Shoulder pads have gotten considerably smaller in the past 15 to 20 years. QBs look like they're wearing hockey pads. I presume it helps the throwing motion but they don't seem like they offer much protection.

Blogger SouthRon October 16, 2017 5:25 PM  

OT: This or a related link should be on Infogalactic Tech News. Nasty WiFi vulnerability.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/10/16/16481818/wi-fi-attack-response-security-patches

Anonymous BBGKB October 16, 2017 5:26 PM  

or give the quarterback two flags and tearing off one of them means he's down

Rainbow flags.

1.Weight limits determined by position. No more 280-pound steroid monsters running a 4.6 forty. Get too big, you won't play.

No one naturally gets as big as The Refrigerator Perry without roids. Part of the problem is that its not just testosterone when I was filling in for a preg at a sports clinic the docs there could tell which performance enhancer they used by their injuries.

Games Workshop is revealing an initiative to increase representation of women and minorities in Warhammer 40,000. Well, at least some social media rep made it sound that way.

Doesn't that come with the Chaos Slaanesh, forces?


OT: Someone stole my old bathrobes https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/13432141

Anonymous Incurvatus October 16, 2017 5:32 PM  

The Packers' QB situation will test their cuck fans' admiration of affirmative action.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 16, 2017 5:40 PM  

Others things the NFL should do:

1. Clock stops until referee resets ball for play in the last 3 minutes.

Makes teams play not stall.

2. 30 second between play clock, and game clock only starts once ball is set again on new line of scrimmage.

3. Reduce time stoppages between punts which take forever now.

4. Reduce the importance of 'false starts' somehow. Players should be able to move on the line a bit. It just slows the game down.

Blogger SemiSpook37 October 16, 2017 5:45 PM  

Johnny wrote:When they asked Terry Bradshaw how they could make the game safe for quarterbacks, he suggested, "have them wear skirts."

Well, IIRC, that was Jack Lambert's opinion when asked about the introduction of the roughing call back in the '70s, though I'm sure Terry probably did share this sentiment at some point.

Sometimes stuff like this will happen, regardless of how many rules, measures, etc. you put into place to prevent it. While I do agree in some point that certain physical characteristics/mindsets are more prone to be violent, the law of averages tends to apply to many of these situations, as well.

Sure, a 300+ lineman barreling down on a Rodgers or Brady will definitely screw something up, eventually, but lest we forget your 6'3", 225 lbs slot receiver could randomly have his hip dislocate or have his femur snap on a routine wheel route without even trying. They going to institute some sort of rule scheme to prevent that stuff from happening? Probably not.

Blogger Doom October 16, 2017 5:50 PM  

The NF who. I don't believe you have an inch of space to judge. Dump them, quit complaining, or at least stop pointing at others with similar flaws, unless it is actually all just a joke to you? I do retain annoyance. Not quite a grudge thing, more watching stones fly from a glass home, disappointed in the logic issues.

Blogger Gordon October 16, 2017 5:50 PM  

I never saw any ACL/knee injuries in the three years I played college rugby. Torn off ears, separated shoulders (me) some ankle stuff, some cuts from heads banging. But no knee injuries.

We had a doctor on our team. I helped him sew a player's ear back on right on the sideline. The skin of ears, and around ears, is much tougher than folks realize. It is not easy to get the suture needle through.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 16, 2017 6:11 PM  

BYFL (Back Yard Football League): You "can't rush the passer" because he is a full-time league quarterback for both teams. That should do it.

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson October 16, 2017 6:12 PM  

One of my friends did a cycle on roids to get ready to play junior college football. He said that the roids made him feel like his knees were going to fall apart just walking down the street. Even after being off roids for several years, he still feels like his knees will fall apart any second now.

Blogger Jeff D October 16, 2017 6:15 PM  

3. Baseball substitution rules. Once you come out, you are out for the rest of the game. The QB gets a designated defender.

I don't know if that would have saved Rodgers' collarbone, but I would love to watch that.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 16, 2017 6:27 PM  

So what has the NFL done now? They have decided to fund a social justice activism boot camp for professional athletes, but of course!!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/nfl-build-social-justice-warrior-factory-another-slap-face-fans-video/

Anonymous Didas Kalos October 16, 2017 6:45 PM  

I say let it burn to the ground. Only ashes left. We won't miss it.

Blogger SemiSpook37 October 16, 2017 7:26 PM  

Slightly related: it appears that Jemele Hill's future at ES(JW)PN is likely at an end, as is the horrible experiment that is SC6.

https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/10/15/jemele-hill-espn-sportscenter-future

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 16, 2017 8:19 PM  

You don't need weight limits if you cut the size of the squad. If you playing behemoths they'll get too tired limited subs means they'll be dragging ass.

Blogger Lazarus October 16, 2017 9:23 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:You don't need weight limits if you cut the size of the squad. If you playing behemoths they'll get too tired limited subs means they'll be dragging ass.

Canadian football. The Canadian field of play is 110 by 65 yards (101 by 59.4 m), rather than 100 by 53 1⁄3 yards (91.4 by 48.8 m) as in American football. The end zones in Canadian football are 10 yards deeper than American football end zones as the CFL uses 20-yard (18.3 m) end zones.

Its like a snooker table versus a bar-size pool table. Behemoths need not apply.

Anonymous Bob October 16, 2017 9:54 PM  

Make a touchdown worth 7, and a field goal worth 4. Change nothing else for a year. See if injuries don't drop.
You will always have an 'unlimited' or heavyweight class no matter what you do to segregate players. Don't even bother. Thats the cachet of calling it 'Professional' football, it is the Heavyweight class. Change the underlying dynamics and nerf the role of the tanks. You'd still have the brain trauma, but that is going to haunt them as long as they wear pads.

Anonymous Queer eye October 16, 2017 9:58 PM  

Another suggestion i dont think the pants and shirts should be the same color... the players look better when the pants and shirts are different colors.

Blogger Lazarus October 16, 2017 10:04 PM  

Queer eye wrote:Another suggestion i dont think the pants and shirts should be the same color... the players look better when the pants and shirts are different colors.

Pervert.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 16, 2017 10:08 PM  

and in a couple years we can celebrate the first female quarterback.

You might be kidding, but I guarantee you there are people (some of them women) in the league office today who fully intend to put women on the field someday, no matter how much they have to change the game to do it. I'd guess the first would be a kicker, if they haven't eliminated kickoffs by that time -- returns are dangerous too, you know.

Blogger Cetera October 16, 2017 10:25 PM  

Jeff D wrote:3. Baseball substitution rules. Once you come out, you are out for the rest of the game. The QB gets a designated defender.

I don't know if that would have saved Rodgers' collarbone, but I would love to watch that.


Our maybe be allowed to make one substitution per play. So after the offense leaves the field, the QB would be the first sub out for a full-time defender. After the next play, another player can sub in.

It would still result in pretty significant two-way players, as you couldn't afford to be too heavy towards one aspect of the game, or be caught with completely incorrect squads when possession changes.

Most WRs would end up having to play CB too. TE and RBs would have to be interchangeable with LBs, lineman would have to be adept at playing both ways.

Injuries don't allow for extra subs. If someone gets hurt, that's your sub for the play. If more than one person is injured, they either play hurt, or you play with fewer on the field.

This could actually result in some very interesting and deep matchup and strategy gameplay potential.

Vox, if you ever set up an Alt-Football league, I think this deserves serious thought.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 16, 2017 10:45 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:
and in a couple years we can celebrate the first female quarterback.

You might be kidding, but I guarantee you there are people (some of them women) in the league office today who fully intend to put women on the field someday, no matter how much they have to change the game to do it. I'd guess the first would be a kicker, if they haven't eliminated kickoffs by that time -- returns are dangerous too, you know.


Yes by all means. GURL POWER! It will end up almost as thrilling as watching badminton and croquet with cucumber sammiches - cat ladies officiating - in between the SJW preaching. Girl QB's should be encouraged at every opportunity. Hand them some of that magic fire-retard liquid .... woooosh!

Blogger Lazarus October 16, 2017 10:47 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:Yes by all means. GURL POWER! It will end up almost as thrilling as watching badminton and croquet with cucumber sammiches - cat ladies officiating

Oh ya?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Ox6s1GTSk

Anonymous St. Cecilia October 16, 2017 11:01 PM  

Y'all ain't watchin' none a' these games, man. The only problem is the stupid OPI penalty. War'nt for that, the 49'ers be 5-0 right now. Sheeyit.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 16, 2017 11:31 PM  

Make them take the pads off.

Yeah, it's pretty clear at this point that more, thicker pads and better helmets have done more to encourage tacklers to use themselves as a weapon than they've done to protect the tackled. I haven't seen a lot of rugby, but it seems like without all the equipment, they still get plenty rough without the high-speed, full-strength collisions.

Of course, the high-speed collisions are part of the excitement. But if fans don't want to lose 25% of their star players each season, maybe you have to give up some of that.

Blogger R Beisert October 16, 2017 11:33 PM  

Why don't we just ban passing, kicking, and all the other risky plays? While we're at it, let's replace the ball with a harmless rubber balloon and ban hitting everyone.

They can wear tinfoil hats and bras, and everyone can just stand there and hug. We'll call it "Sarcastiball" and pay Tray Parker and Matt Stone royalties every season for the brilliant idea.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 16, 2017 11:37 PM  

I never saw any ACL/knee injuries in the three years I played college rugby.

Yes, a lot of the season-ending injuries in football have nothing to do with collisions. Guys blow out their knees without being touched, or by being rolled up on by a teammate falling behind them. Which raises a question: are there more ACL-type injuries in football than in other sports where people have to cut different directions? Does the turf, or the equipment, make those injuries more likely? Are they over-trained, fragile because they're valuing finely-tuned speed over reliability?

Blogger Akulkis October 17, 2017 12:44 AM  

Warhammer is the gay. Just like all fantasy wargaming. Historical & speculative future wargames are much more beneficial for a man's development as a good citizen.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 17, 2017 1:26 AM  

@46

What the fuck!? No... no... you're lying. You're lying through your teeth! There is no way, NO WAY, that the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium would have a 'diversity' branch for the Imperium of Man. No fucking way. I mean, fuck, the Sisters or Maidens of Battle or what have you already jump the shark enough, though, to be fair, since the IOM is supposed to represent all of humanity and thusly would have all of its genetic stock, why there wouldn't be people of all colors of the rainbow serving already aside from tokens in Relic Entertainment strategy games is kind of confusing.

Blogger tublecane October 17, 2017 2:04 AM  

@16-We're not talking about slugfests. Boxing matches last like 30 to 50 minutes, most of it action. (If they're not dancing around or hugging eachother.) Big hits happen intermittently in football. There were at least two notable ones in the Vikings/Packer game. (The Rogers sack and the Viking wide receiver's blindside block.) They last for a second, then maybe you lose a star for the rest of the year. It's not balanced entertainment.

The only big sport with true slugfests is hockey. At least I think they still let then fight. If the NFL had enforcers to put consequential sackers in the hospital, maybe things'd be different.

Blogger tublecane October 17, 2017 2:18 AM  

@18-"So the hits always become hits on a defenseless player."

My thought exactly. The player chooses to place himself in a risky posture in order to have a higher chance at success. He's only "defenseless" if you judge from after the point of his decision to be in danger.

His defense would be not to put himself in a vulnerable position. But that's what's expected of him, because gotta move the ball. Gotta be entertaining. Gotta win.

Quarterbacks have a natural "blindside," and of course they can't see in all directions at once. They know, they must know, that if they keep their eyes pointed downfield in order to throw the ball at the last possible moment, they won't be able to see all the madmen rushing toward them. They do it anyway, because they want to advance the ball. They want to win. This is part of the sport, and that's what they're expected to do. It's on them, in my opinion.

Same thing with the receivers who keep their eyes on the ball, knowing the opposing secondary, linebackers, linemen, anyone in a position to, is charging at them. They keep their eyes fixed anyway, because they want to catch the ball. They want to advance the line. They want to win. That's on them.

Same with all the players who keep their eye on the ball moving downfield in their opponent's hands, who get "blindside" blocked. "Blindside" only because their eyes were deliberately kept on the ball instead of the events around them. 11 of their opponents don't have they ball, and may be waiting to cream them. That's on them.

Blogger tublecane October 17, 2017 2:27 AM  

@68-When I played honest-to-goodness backyard football, there was a pass rush. We went by the "three Mississippies" rule.

There was also no kicking, because we couldn't do it very well and we didn't have field goal posts. Made the games go fast.

Blogger tublecane October 17, 2017 2:45 AM  

@90-There is a Latin phrase for my above point: Volenti non fit injuria (to one willing, no harm is done).

Blogger AdognamedOp October 17, 2017 2:46 AM  

They should make the yard lines diagonal and increase team #of downs to seven. Also ,make the football solid metal.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 17, 2017 4:19 AM  

"That rather ordinary hit broke Rodgers’ collarbone and dramatically affected the entire NFL season, possibly knocking Rodgers out until 2018 and in the process ending realistic Super Bowl hopes for the Packers."

Obviously, the Packers require the game-winning fan-accumulating services of Colin Kaepernick ...

Anonymous Pennywise October 17, 2017 7:50 AM  

The NFL is other than in jeopardy. Fans are coming to games, they are buying gear, they are playing Fantasy. Every professional sport has had their "dark" period, and yet they come out of it smelling like roses. If you want to stop watching "thugball of negro felons", great! The normies won't miss you.

"College football seems to be replacing a lot of what the NFL used to be for real fans."

Real fans watch football--high school, college, and pro. But we appreciate your virtue signaling.

Blogger James Dixon October 17, 2017 9:53 AM  

> Fans are coming to games

Really? https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckNASCAR/status/919950581942378496/photo/1

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 17, 2017 10:23 AM  

Pennywise, “real” fans, huh? I think you are pretty confused about who exactly is virtue signaling here.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 17, 2017 12:12 PM  

Big hits happen intermittently in football.

I think they'll eventually discover that it's repeated head-banging and spine-compression that causes CTE more than the occasional big hit and concussion. Jim McMahon mentioned something like that when he was interviewed for a "30 for 30." They're finding signs of CTE in every ex-NFL brain they autopsy. But lots of those guys didn't have many high-speed, bone-shattering collisions. What they had was lots of slamming their heads into each other. Linemen especially crash their helmets into the other side's helmets or into each other's shoulders all the time.

Because they're wearing helmets, which are now so good that they seem like an extension of the body, they use their heads as a weapon. It just becomes natural after a while. They've stopped the "spearing," the really nasty ones that could paralyze a guy; but there's still a ton of lower-speed "lower your head and drive in there" stuff that goes on in a game.

Blogger Dire Badger October 17, 2017 2:50 PM  

Actually, preventing Felons from Playing would wrap up most of Football's problems nicely.

Anonymous Correction October 19, 2017 10:59 AM  

Re: field goal posts location . --The NFL kept the post at the goal line until they were moved back to the rear of the end zone for the 1974 season. This was partly a result of the narrowed hashmark distance of 1972, which had made for easier field-goal angles. The Canadian game still has posts on the goal line.-

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