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Tuesday, October 03, 2017

UPDATE: Paperback #2 and Hardcover #2 now available


And Dynamique is considering her options. We've got some very interesting new Alt★Hero developments we'll be announcing soon, including at least one new stretch goal, although I understand it is going to be a few days before we'll able to add the various add-ons that people have been requesting. Don't worry, we've got more than three weeks left, so there is plenty of time to straighten these things out.

I'm also interested in learning what size figurine between 8 and 10 inches would be of most interest to the Rebel backers. Remember, you can back the project for only $15 and you'll receive the first SIX volumes of Alt★Hero in their digital format.

UPDATE: In its fifth day, Alt★Hero is already in the top 5 percent of all Kickstarter projects ever. Back the project and help us move into the top one percent!

UPDATE: We've made some changes to the Rewards and stretch goals. We've decided not to wait to greenlight Paperback and Hardcover #2, both of which will include Volumes IV, V, and VI, so the two stretch goals are can now be considered preemptively reached. Both editions can be ordered now via the appropriate Reward level; Add-On: Paperback #2 is $30 and Add-On: Hardcover #2 is $65. Neither comes with anything else, but shipping is included.

We've also replaced the $70k stretch goal as follows:

Alt★Hero Novel
Castalia House will publish the first Alt★Hero novel, co-written by Vox Day and an author to be named when this goal is met. The book will be published in ebook, audiobook, and trade paperback editions.

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Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 03, 2017 1:03 PM  

8"

Anonymous See no evil, hear no evil October 03, 2017 1:06 PM  

This is the first video that comes up after your video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzeywPDsueQ

What do you feel about the criticism?

Blogger DJ | AMDG October 03, 2017 1:10 PM  

I think sticking to a play scale for all the figurines would be nice. I’m assuming others will eventually come as success breeds success. Is 1:6 standard for play scale figures? I know their supposed to be collectibles, but staged next to each other on my shelf they’ll look funny if they’re all the same height.

Blogger Lovekraft October 03, 2017 1:13 PM  

@2: commented on that yt vid you linked:

We
Don't
Care

Blogger Tom Bridgeland October 03, 2017 1:13 PM  

I like the contrasting artistic styling on different characters. Captain Europa looks bloated and buffoonish, with his hugely rounded muscles. Compare that to the folks on the tank, with their harder-edged style. Hope that doesn't change.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 03, 2017 1:18 PM  

Alt-Hero should pay the SJW to hate it.

The SJW are a joke.

Blogger VD October 03, 2017 1:25 PM  

What do you feel about the criticism?

He's also a classic moderate. Happiest shooting at the side he claims to be on.

"This doesn't look good AT ALL. The art is okay... but it's very clearly right-wing extremist influenced."

So, how does that make the art bad? He's just trying to sit on the fence.

Anonymous Korbin Ransley October 03, 2017 1:27 PM  

Alt☆Hero is such a cool project. Glad there is such interest and enthusiasm about it.

Will Dynamique be persuaded by Captain Europa?

Does Martel make Periscope videos? And if so can he trade super hearts in to upgrade mauls to Psykosonik Acid Hammers? 8^)

Speaking of comics i noticed in a new marvel t.v. series last night when characters were discussing getting into Mexico they talked about getting over, through, or under a "Wall".

Anonymous deplorable October 03, 2017 1:31 PM  

"What do you feel about the criticism?"

LOL. That guy claims he's a "conservative". Maybe you should ask him what exactly CONservatives have been conserving. Basically he's a surrender monkey CUCKservative with an axe to grind against Vox. Go figure.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 03, 2017 1:31 PM  

#2 the comments are the usual cuck blather about no politics in comics. I'll bet those dweebs have never said boo to a SJW, sackless cowards.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 03, 2017 1:32 PM  

VD wrote:What do you feel about the criticism?

He's also a classic moderate. Happiest shooting at the side he claims to be on.

"This doesn't look good AT ALL. The art is okay... but it's very clearly right-wing extremist influenced."

So, how does that make the art bad? He's just trying to sit on the fence.


I gathered he was more likely a closeted leftist. He doesn't like SJWs but he also detests anyone on the right. He sounds noticeably angry/disturbed through the whole video.

Blogger Brad Matthews (Deplorabard) October 03, 2017 1:36 PM  

"Very clearly" extremist and it's not even out yet. 8.736528 inches on the statue. Extreme precision of course.

Anonymous deplorable October 03, 2017 1:37 PM  

"What do you feel about the criticism?"

I'd like to see his CUCKservative comic he was thinking about making. It would feature Gamma Boy sucking up to SJWs and the DNC also he would have a super power called virtue signaling.

Blogger Starboard October 03, 2017 1:44 PM  

Love the line: “So we are slaves to the common good?”

Anonymous Locke October 03, 2017 1:48 PM  

Made my contribution today. Looking forward to the hardcover when it comes out.

Anonymous Reenay October 03, 2017 1:53 PM  

"This doesn't look good AT ALL. The art is okay... but it's very clearly right-wing extremist influenced."

Well, I mean... brave, virtuous superheroes that battle an overreaching totalitarian regime, or frail tranny superheroes that talk about how often they need to "dilate" (trigger warning for those of you that don't know what that means)? Gee, hard sell there.

Blogger Ostar October 03, 2017 1:53 PM  

250,000 Euros, health and dental. But no smoking. What's a girl to do?

I guess it comes down to whether or not the costume has flats or heels - the important things, in other words...

Blogger darkdoc October 03, 2017 2:09 PM  

I vote 8 to 8 1/2" for mine. I don't care what anyone else wants.

Blogger darkdoc October 03, 2017 2:17 PM  

Always liked smaller girls. Even my superheroes.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 03, 2017 2:18 PM  

28mm. If you can't use her in Warhammer what's the point? ;)

Blogger Banjo October 03, 2017 2:18 PM  

I'd vote for an 8" figurine

Anonymous Nicholas October 03, 2017 2:19 PM  

Rebel backer here. I don't care about the size.

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2017 2:23 PM  

Direct link for those getting a cached page: https://freestartr.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/AH_008.png

Blogger SirHamster October 03, 2017 2:26 PM  

Korbin Ransley wrote:Will Dynamique be persuaded by Captain Europa?

He did punch her in the face. And it'd be a waste of the costume art if she doesn't at least work with him for a while.

Alas, meta-storytelling.

Blogger Lance E October 03, 2017 2:28 PM  

I've never even heard of this guy, and I thought I knew all of the right-wing and alt-lite YouTubers.

Basically this video amounts to "some guy you've never heard of with a tiny following doesn't like your project because he thinks it's too political even though he hasn't seen any content!" I'm sure Vox's spirit is crushed.

Blogger Nate October 03, 2017 2:28 PM  

conservative my ass. I've never heard a conservative call Lovecrafta "detestable human being". Nor have I heard a conservative jabber about interacial marriage in Shadow Over Insmouth.

Blogger hewhofuckscouchs October 03, 2017 2:43 PM  

Am I the only one who hears everything Captain Europa says in a parody of a generic heroic baritone?

Like The Tick but with an accent of ambiguous European origin?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop October 03, 2017 3:08 PM  

I haven't picked up a comic book in half a century. Now all of a sudden I can't wait to learn the details of the GJI health care package. Does it include life-extension tech? Cryo? A upload backup? And will she buckle?

Blogger S1AL October 03, 2017 3:10 PM  

I'm hearing him as a deeper-voiced version of young Xavier, but with the chopped, flat enunciation of someone constantly trying to make a point.

Blogger hewhofuckscouchs October 03, 2017 3:39 PM  

This also makes me giggle.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 03, 2017 3:55 PM  

See no evil, hear no evil wrote:This is the first video that comes up after your video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzeywPDsueQ

What do you feel about the criticism?


More free advertising and more eyes seeing Alt-Hero is a general good. Let the conservative hand-wringing continue.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 03, 2017 3:55 PM  

Take the money, Dynamique. I bet you'll get a cubicle and a soft upper management gig out of it.

Anonymous Anonymous October 03, 2017 4:00 PM  

Liberals don't want 'diversity' despite all the banging on about it. They want everyone to agree with them and they will enforce their viewpoints - by force if necessary. Liberals are, in fact, intolerant bigots.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 03, 2017 4:03 PM  

@27 I can hear Captain Europa's smug superiority coming through loud and clear. That understanding that there's a list of the 20 strongest Sequens, and he's at the top of it.

Anonymous JAG October 03, 2017 4:26 PM  

hewhofuckscouchs wrote:Am I the only one who hears everything Captain Europa says in a parody of a generic heroic baritone?

Like The Tick but with an accent of ambiguous European origin?


No. No you are not. I imagined it pretty much spot on the same as you did, lol.

Blogger Dave October 03, 2017 4:36 PM  

Somebody sperging out over $ figures in the comments over at the Freestartr page:

They appear to be asking if there will be the requisite urgency needed to complete the work if the costs exceed the Freestartr amount.

ESPN Sideline Reporter: "How does this make you feel, Vox? Can you tell us your emotions right now?"

Blogger SirHamster October 03, 2017 4:40 PM  

Dave wrote:They appear to be asking if there will be the requisite urgency needed to complete the work if the costs exceed the Freestartr amount.

How concerning. Are you not concerned? Concern, concern, concern.

Blogger artensoll October 03, 2017 4:46 PM  

hewhofuckscouchs: "Am I the only one who hears everything Captain Europa says in a parody of a generic heroic baritone?"

Like this? (skip to 2mins) https://youtu.be/ovvKRRYB22Q

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 03, 2017 4:55 PM  

How concerning. Are you not concerned? Concern, concern, concern.

Been here for over 8 years now. You can like him or hate him, but if he promises, Vox delivers. This'll be great.

Blogger The Observer October 03, 2017 4:55 PM  

Not really concerned with the figurine size this side. Anything is good. I'm more excited about the new stretch goal and upcoming announcements, to be honest - it's like a game of "what's in the box?"

darkdoc wrote:Always liked smaller girls. Even my superheroes.

There's a thought. You don't really see that many petite superheroines. Hmm.



Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2017 5:10 PM  

> That understanding that there's a list of the 20 strongest Sequens, and he's at the top of it.

The 20 strongest KNOWN Sequens. :) And I'm sure he thinks he is.

Blogger Matthew October 03, 2017 5:19 PM  

Dave wrote:They appear to be asking if there will be the requisite urgency needed to complete the work if the costs exceed the Freestartr amount.



Whatever would the ankle biters say if the funding appeared to exceed the production needs?

Of course, if they're libertarians, they can't complain about price-gouging in a drough of right-wing content.

Blogger VD October 03, 2017 5:33 PM  

They appear to be asking if there will be the requisite urgency needed to complete the work if the costs exceed the Freestartr amount.

We will get it done, and in a timely manner. He is forgetting three things. 1) He doesn't know our actual costs for anything, 2) We will make additional income selling the books, t-shirts, and remaining figurines, and 3) we produce books that cost more than we make from them initially every single time we publish a book.

He may know about the conventional comics business, but he knows nothing about ours. I can assure everyone, we will not be, and mathematically cannot be, in the red on this at any step along the way. My background is in economics, after all.

ESPN Sideline Reporter: "How does this make you feel, Vox? Can you tell us your emotions right now?"

Calm, collected, and focused on finishing off SJWADD. I'm very pleased at the strong support for Alt★Hero and I think it will be a lot of fun if we hit the 100k mark and do the video.

Blogger Dave October 03, 2017 5:34 PM  

RD Miksa stop posting as Anonymous; your comments are being spammed on the web version.

Blogger hewhofuckscouchs October 03, 2017 5:34 PM  

Yes. Something similar to that.

The kind of voice that gives every American within earshot the sudden inexplicable urge to dump tea into a harbor.

The kind of voice where even the other Europeans want to grab him by the collar and shake him until he stops talking.

Blogger Lovekraft October 03, 2017 6:02 PM  

Those offering criticism of a product that is essentially in its early stages are like drug addicts who are afraid their supply will get cut off. But blaming VD is like a typical SJW. Instead of looking at why their world is collapsing, the SJW lashes out at its manufactured enemy.

Think about home schooling and how those in the public indoctrination system (public schools) would not even be able to grasp learning outside of this structure.

Alt-hero is a direct and blunt example of 'home schooling', in a way. This is what discerns the alt-right from other traditional ideologies and the fringe movements.

We aren't so naive and arrogant to think we are the true answer, but are certain that moving away from the current structure is essential.

Blogger Weouro October 03, 2017 6:13 PM  

Alright somehow this is the campaign/project that convinced me to put up some cash. Not sure why. Ive never read comics before other than Calving and Hobbes.

Blogger SirHamster October 03, 2017 6:19 PM  

Weouro wrote:Ive never read comics before other than Calving and Hobbes.

A mooing slice-of-life comic for cattle: Nasty, brutish, and short. And delicious.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 03, 2017 6:25 PM  

Another take on #ComicGate
https://ageofshitlords.com/comicgate-marvels-sales-slumping

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 03, 2017 6:26 PM  

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Blogger Markku October 03, 2017 6:28 PM  

We love _ALL_ REEEEEEEEEEs and encourage them. SJWs', cucks', all are welcome.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 03, 2017 6:29 PM  

Just as long as they're shorter than my MC 9.00 Inch Jesus, I'm good.

After all, I don't want an Alt*Hero figurine to be taller than Jesus in my nativity scene, even if she's wearing a Confederate uniform. :-)

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 03, 2017 6:31 PM  

Just listened to the commentary by Micah Curtis and read some of the comments. Some of these dudes are trippin'. The comments I read are arguing that politicized expressions in a medium created to counter other politicized expressions are somehow wrong. That's crazy thinking. How many of those dudes enjoy, say, Public Enemy or KRS-One? Those were heavily politicized expressions in a medium AND they were good. The fundamental issue is that Chuck D and KRS-One prioritized an integrity to Hip Hop aesthetics over message by forming good lyricism and beats that fit within the framework of that aesthetic. Did they not see the part of the Alt-Hero promo video that clearly stated "Storylines Not Social Justice"?

More to say but I'll stop here.

Blogger Dave October 03, 2017 6:35 PM  

ESPN Sideline Reporter: "There you have it. Vox is composed, relaxed, and focused on wrapping up his latest book project. Back to you in the booth, Boomer."

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 03, 2017 6:44 PM  

Waiting for SWJADD! Gonna go to Office Max and purchase a set of highlighter pens. I'll be the dude reading that text, taking notes while wearing my "Return of Kings" T-shirt.

Anonymous Causal Lurker October 03, 2017 6:45 PM  

Post Alley Crackpot, what about the special turnout coats and boots for the Magi? The Good Book does say that "them Three Wise Men, they came from a fahr" (fire). (Blame the Baptist deacon who recounted this one to me. Huh, thought MY jokes were bad.)

Blogger Silly but True October 03, 2017 6:45 PM  

@2:
He said he has no problems ordering "pizza" from a Hillary supporter.

Blogger LP9 October 03, 2017 6:46 PM  

The t-shirts are something I'm looking forward to, must hear work; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-hIVnmUdXM

Blogger tuberman October 03, 2017 7:08 PM  

57. LP9

Great take on the Frog Theorists stealing the mantel. Very true, but many mistakes made in that time, and Camille Paglia's Love's Body interpretation of the 60's was also true but self-defeating. The Hard-core Left took over and then was manipulated by the French elite.

Blogger tuberman October 03, 2017 7:23 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:Just listened to the commentary by Micah Curtis and read some of the comments. Some of these dudes are trippin'. The comments I read are arguing that politicized expressions in a medium created to counter other politicized expressions are somehow wrong. That's crazy thinking. How many of those dudes enjoy, say, Public Enemy or KRS-One? Those were heavily politicized expressions in a medium AND they were good. The fundamental issue is that Chuck D and KRS-One prioritized an integrity to Hip Hop aesthetics over message by forming good lyricism and beats that fit within the framework of that aesthetic. Did they not see the part of the Alt-Hero promo video that clearly stated "Storylines Not Social Justice"?

More to say but I'll stop here.


Al,

Yes, but they didn't notice the promise of real stories by VD, ...because 80% there only care to VIRTUE-SIGNAL.

I read the comments for laughs.

Blogger weka October 03, 2017 7:30 PM  

1. No woman who had a choice would wear that. Accepting Dynamique is a model... But the wife and the sisters have taste. They would not.
2. I want to introduce Europa to a .50 cal bullet.
3. This is a classic temptation story and this alt.herp was quoted when blogging on the lectionary.

Anonymous Causal Lurker October 03, 2017 7:31 PM  

Figurine size - what about 8 inch for women, 9.0 inch for men? Male figures should be taller and larger (Sequens and Testosterone poisoning) than female, for the most part.

No one start dancing on the shark's back yet, with accessories like silvered skull thrones, mini-CD collections of EU regs, huts for Baba Yaga, etc.

Will the USA and EU heroes resolve regulatory differences by a game of Mega-Calvinball?

Allergy meds are working too well tonight.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 03, 2017 7:33 PM  

Hi, I'm a Rebel backer, 8 is probably best, though I'm not flussed either way.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 03, 2017 7:56 PM  

@59 They are too pre-occupied with displaying how "non-racist" they are. In my opinion, they conflate "racist" thought (which is prejudicial thought) with coercion. People are free to think as they please and form voluntary action based upon such. This freedom is an individual right. They don't get this. Individuals have a right to self segregate; to guide their actions based on discrimination. Individual freedom and liberty is a two way street. Virtue signaling fails to recognize this and so they demonize people who, through reason, act according to their own personal circumstances. Ain't nothing wrong with that. I could be wrong though.

Anonymous IncoherentM October 03, 2017 8:04 PM  

I backed as a digital reader a couple of days ago. Not only am I getting a great value due to the stretch goals being met, the entertainment value from the tearing of clothes and gnashing of teeth is priceless!

Blogger Wolfman at Large October 03, 2017 8:24 PM  

Got bored, did this.
https://wolvesandmen.wordpress.com/2017/10/04/unoriginal-character-please-steal/

Blogger The Observer October 03, 2017 8:31 PM  

@65:

Like I said to some others before, there still are 3 $5000 spots...and a $100,000 stretch goal to reach.

One could make Snow Devil a reality.

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2017 8:43 PM  

> I can assure everyone, we will not be, and mathematically cannot be, in the red on this at any step along the way.

As if that weren't a given. I realize you may need to tell the newbies though.

> Not only am I getting a great value due to the stretch goals being met, the entertainment value from the tearing of clothes and gnashing of teeth is priceless!

The Dark Lord is generous, is he not? This may actually exceed the value of the World Con membership before it's done.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 03, 2017 9:04 PM  

Looking like about 2 to 4 new backers per hour today. So, perhaps $65K tomorrow and $70K about Sunday? I'd like to see the signups with timestamps to see if this is tracking like a Poisson distro and what the tail width is -- might be able to predict the $100K target and if it's in the 30-day window.

Looking great, Vox! Thanks!

Blogger Brad Matthews October 03, 2017 9:17 PM  

I emailed Diversity & Comics to see if he had heard of this yet/would mention it to his subscribers. Anyone know if he has? That is a large pool of potential support.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 03, 2017 9:24 PM  

Vox, you clever munchkin.

"What, deceleration? THROW THE SJWS TO THE PIGS, THE SHOW MUST GO ON!"

Blogger Lovekraft October 03, 2017 9:43 PM  

Breitbart is now mentioning #comicgate:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/07/01/marvel-turns-donald-trump-comic-book-villain/

Blogger MJ Meyers October 03, 2017 9:51 PM  

Just ordered the 2nd hard cover. If you can do a Volume VII, VIII, and IX, I'll order another hard cover. How do you feel about setting 3 mores volumes as another stretch? We don't want to pull a Star Citizen, but 3 books for each of the 3 stories sounds like a reasonable extension. Plus, Vox admits that his artists already find he has more written material than can fit in the page limitations anyway.

Blogger The Observer October 03, 2017 10:16 PM  

A NOVEL? Oh my. The Dark Lord is most kind, it just keeps piling up...

Blogger dtungsten October 03, 2017 10:22 PM  

Is there going to be an add-on option for the hardcover for Rebel backers, or do we just have to do the existing non add-on one?

Blogger lowercaseb October 03, 2017 10:36 PM  

Wolfman at Large wrote:Got bored, did this.

https://wolvesandmen.wordpress.com/2017/10/04/unoriginal-character-please-steal/


This is great stuff...I love the concept of a gray man vigilante/superhero.

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 03, 2017 10:53 PM  

@42 (VD)

Actually, the only thing that is uncertain is how much Vox is paying his artists and naturally, this is the biggest chunk of the price (the printing/shipping costs come from Vox's own disclosure of his printer)But lest anyone be under any illusions:

1) A fast professional cartoonist can do a single page of comic book art, penciled and inked, in eight hours. Coloring takes about ninety minutes a page, lettering about an hour. So, at a steady clip, every page of Alt-Hero will comprise ten to eleven hours of work. But let's be generous and say that Vox's crew cuts corners and can do the whole job in nine hours per page. At $14.00 an hour, you get a page of art costing about $125.00. And who would work for less than that? (Maybe the guy who drew that cringy picture of "Rebel"! Check out his Twitter, @JingerZilla, and bring a vomit bag. But the guy who drew the artwork with the tank is fairly competent. If his style is consistent, he will certainly require the minimum page rate, and probably more.

$125.00 x 288 pages spread out over six issues = $36,000

(Also, Ain't it about time to find out who the talent is? Because the joke is on you if you pledged 70k only to receive JingerZilla's best.)


2)The cost of the Rebel figurine is pretty easy to surmise if you know what sculptor's charge. $1200 for the sculpt, and eight dollars per unit x 500 units is my guess.

3) Vox will undoubtedly use a POD service like Zazzle for the tees (though I suppose it will be Cryptofashion). Either way, $8.00 per unit (wholesale) and $7.00 for shipping has to be in the ballpark.

4) As for fulfillment, It's up to the pledgers if they want to operate on a wing and a prayer. Why would anyone throw their money at a project like this without SOME notion of a delivery date? I guess Vox knows his audience. He may know them well enough to sell enough digital copies of this bilge to make it a worthwhile venture. But really: an off-off brand work of superhero schlock drawn by hacks, with the hook of “white people beating up blacks”? Have you ever been to a Comic-Con, Vox?

With no plans to sell Alt-Hero in comic shops, the entire profit must be coming from the drive itself. The good news is that if the drive reaches 70K, then there will be enough in the kitty for Vox to fulfill his obligations and still pay himself. If it comes in less than that, expect to get half of what you pledged for, at best. Someday.

Anonymous CoolHand October 03, 2017 10:54 PM  

Damnit Vox, you've managed to extract another paperback from my understaffed wallet.

You truly are a Dark Lord worthy of the name...

Blogger weka October 03, 2017 11:00 PM  

Two hardbacks and a novel that may come? Gimme.

I know that this is starting to hurt Marvel and DC.

Blogger weka October 03, 2017 11:01 PM  

And yes, I have.backed again. This is moar effective that baen's "the first taste is free" marketing.

Anonymous CoolHand October 03, 2017 11:04 PM  

@76

Hmmmmm...the word of VD (who has always done what he said he'd do and provided an excellent product) VS the word of some random internet guy who showed up to pretend like he knows everything and can thus cast aspersions upon the project.

Whoever should I trust!? I'm so CONCERNED now!

Troll Rating: 1.2 of 10 Would not lul.

Blogger Clint October 03, 2017 11:04 PM  

Fine, twist my arm. I ponied up more for the next paperback....

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 03, 2017 11:06 PM  

Holy cow, you are bad at math, Diabolus.

Anonymous Poop Alert October 03, 2017 11:08 PM  

Wow, both narratives at once! Not just "the art is bad", but "Vox is a grifter", both of which have been pinging around for the last few days and predicted since the failure of "there's no market for this"!

Poop, please don't touch it.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams October 03, 2017 11:09 PM  

Wearing that Rebel shirt means sweet, sweet reeeees follow me around cons.

Anonymous krymneth October 03, 2017 11:13 PM  

@Vox Diabolus: Unlike a lot of Kickstarter projects where basically after the funding the product is unavailable, Vox has a clear path to a distribution channel that will have copies available indefinitely. As either the first editions of a franchise or the first publication of a comic imprint, the long term upside potential is unbounded.

That doesn't mean they will manifest; the potential upside of any digital content that stays available to purchase is theoretically unbounded. But this is not a vacuous point because I observe a shocking number of Kickstarters and webcomics fail this pretty hard.

Blogger tz October 03, 2017 11:25 PM  

I like the previews. Is this a comic strip-tease?

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 03, 2017 11:52 PM  

@85 (Krymneth)

Respectfully, "a clear path to a distribution channel" simply means this: Once the art is complete, VD can sell digitally, or offer the books for purchase through a POD service, like Ka-Blam.

Which is FINE. I am suggesting that Vox has no real post-pledge drive agenda. He obviously has put minimal thought into quality. The art,(at least the pages he has been willing to cut loose) is really quite awful. The coloring is garish and the lettering is poor (search your feelings... you know it to be true). And to be frank: not just anyone can write an action comic and make them enjoyable, especially in the played-out genre of superheroes. What does Vox know about writing for characters like these? It simply is not his genre.

As I said, once VD clears $70,000, he will pretty much be able to cover his nut AND pay himself for his trouble. But money burns a hole in one's pocket, and there are no refunds if Vox decides to shitcan the project because it starts costing him more than he expected to earn on the back-end.

As long as the donor's are satisfied to be strung along forever, why should Vox not oblige them? There is simply nothing about this project that suggests dedication.

Blogger roughcoat October 03, 2017 11:53 PM  

Fuck off, concern troll. You are an obvious imbecile.

Anonymous DissidentRight October 03, 2017 11:56 PM  

@87 Muh concern.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 12:20 AM  

This wouldn't actually be incompetent concern trolling, weren't it ignorant of the existing Castalia House business. He correctly calculated that the Freestartr is designed to not make a profit under any circumstances. (Because that's how crowdfunding works, you're not supposed to profit from the backers). If he had no idea what he's talking about, he'd have guessed the simplistic option and said that the deliverables cost us much LESS than the money pledged, and we just pocket the rest. You have to actually know something to conclude that it comes pretty much exactly to the same sum.

Matthew, perhaps at this point would be appropriate to post the photo of your Castalia shelf again, of most of the books (not counting at least AToB and Summa) already on sale, that we funded completely out of our own pockets.

No, we're not going to set a wholesale discount of 50% AND advertise the book to the most (currently) hostile territory imaginable to this particular graphic novel, AND do fulfillment ourselves. We're going to do something else, that he doesn't think will work due to his outdated ideas of POD (he probably imagines we're using IngramSpark too) and that we have done with every single other book on that shelf and then some. And it's going to sell just like they do.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 12:26 AM  

At this point he is clearly thinking that this is a project by Vox Day, and not a project by Castalia House. Which is where the train of thought goes wrong. And it's funny to watch, because there is internal coherence to all the wrong steps he takes from there. That's not your average concern troll, who just wades in and starts spouting whatever nonsense happens to occur to him at the time. That's a better quality concern troll. Which is why I'm not deleting him.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 12:36 AM  

He has clearly done a non-trivial amount of work calculating the costs, and expects to smugly enjoy the rewards of his investment of time when the project goes in the red and he tells everybody how he told them so. Especially in fandom circles. He expects this to establish his fandom chops.

Which is why it will be particularly delicious when a couple of facts he didn't take into account, dawn on him and change the entire calculus.

Blogger Dave October 04, 2017 12:38 AM  

Have you ever been to a Comic-Con, Vox?

Well, he clearly doesn't know Vox at all and doesn't read VP. His concern that Vox pays himself is adorable though.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 12:50 AM  

Imagine me sitting at my desk with a whiskey and a fat cigar as this project comes on it. Not only is _VOX_ assuring me that it's 100% funded, EVEN HIS OWN ENEMIES are telling me that it's at least something like 95% funded before it even starts, and most likely a little bit over 100%, as they are saying that "he'll make a little bit for his troubles". All I have to do is to make a few payments, and a new major title goes in the shelf. For absolutely free. Am I thinking:

VERY CONCERN
MUCH BANKRUPT
WOW!

No, I'm thinking "our lead editor should probably get a raise one of these days".

Anonymous LurkingPuppy October 04, 2017 12:52 AM  

Markku wrote:That's not your average concern troll, who just wades in and starts spouting whatever nonsense happens to occur to him at the time.
It's the same concern troll who used to merely mention First Sword.

Markku wrote:Which is why it will be particularly delicious when a couple of facts he didn't take into account, dawn on him and change the entire calculus.
You may be underestimating the extent, both in depth and in breadth, to which Alt-Hero will succeed.

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 04, 2017 1:01 AM  

@89 Muh only concern is that Vox not rape the field of comics as though it were a common science fiction awards ceremony.

As a token of muh concern, here is an example of one of Alt-Hero's panels, side by side with the same panel lettered properly.

https://i.imgur.com/vfqiMnv.jpg

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 1:02 AM  

Yeah, this reasoning makes absolutely no sense. On one hand, it's already one of the top 5% Kickstarters ever, a few days in. People gave over 60k for a product that DOESN'T EXIST YET, and currently there is precisely one place - a brand new crowdfunding platform very few people even know of - where you can have a future claim on it. On the other hand, the entire calculus requires that it will sell precisely ZERO units when it's actually available, and you can get it in any major book webstore (and possibly some physical locations - depends on what choice we make on the wholesale discount). Just like all our existing titles. We already know how much revenue THEY generate, and that's mostly without the free marketing that SJWs and cucks are doing on our behalf even at this very moment. These two things couldn't POSSIBLY be true at the same time.

Except, if you don't know about the existing business and imagine Vox to be just a blogger who got an idea for a crowdfunding campaign, and doesn't have any idea about how to do any of the rest. THEN the reasoning makes perfect sense. Which is what makes this so funny.

Blogger S1AL October 04, 2017 1:17 AM  

"As a token of muh concern, here is an example of one of Alt-Hero's panels, side by side with the same panel lettered properly."

You're operating under the assumption that you know which background images should be visible.

OpenID badventist October 04, 2017 1:21 AM  

I've ordered both hard covers. How would I best protect them? A plastic shell cover?

Blogger Dire Badger October 04, 2017 1:24 AM  

Vox Diabolus wrote:@42 (VD)

Actually, the only thing that is uncertain is how much Vox is paying his artists and naturally, this is the biggest chunk of the price (the printing/shipping costs come from Vox's own disclosure of his printer)But lest anyone be under any illusions:

1) A fast professional cartoonist can do a single page of comic book art, penciled and inked, in eight hours. Coloring takes about ninety minutes a page, lettering about an hour. So, at a steady clip, every page of Alt-Hero will comprise ten to eleven hours of work. But let's be generous and say that Vox's crew cuts corners and can do the whole job in nine hours per page. At $14.00 an hour, you get a page of art costing about $125.00. And who would work for less than that? (Maybe the guy who drew that cringy picture of "Rebel"! Check out his Twitter, @JingerZilla, and bring a vomit bag. But the guy who drew the artwork with the tank is fairly competent. If his style is consistent, he will certainly require the minimum page rate, and probably more.

$125.00 x 288 pages spread out over six issues = $36,000



You are WAY the hell off. I do an average of 6 full pages of comic book (style) art each evening, usually between 12-18 illustrations, for which I charge approximately 25-60 dollars, and upon which I spend around 3 to 5 hours. When I have DONE comic art, it's usually about 3 pages in 5 hours, weighing in at about 60 bucks a page. This is with doing it in the 'kim possible' style which is clearly the focus of alt-hero, and would probably be overcharging, to be honest. this is WITH inking and simple shading, which has always been a comic book staple (We are not talking image comics here...)

Artistically,each comic book could be accomplished within about a week and a half by a SINGLE artist (faster if you hired separate ink/letterers/colorists) with the only real delay being how fast the writers could soft-script it... or did you forget that distribution and 'waste' with digital and prepurchased items is a non-issue? as is overstock and a thousand other factors that plague classical publishing.

Cash wise, the pure art side is about (to be generous) 3-4000 dollars per issue. and if you don't think artists today will work for that, you haven't been paying attention.

Considering the way he has his stretch goals tied directly to the initial number of issues, and his distribution model, he will EASILY be able to afford all the artist time and production.... and it appears he's shovelin g all additional stretch funds into providing high-quality swag for the contributors.

Based upon how much profit the initial run makes, he may be giving his artists a full-time job. Heck, if it weren't for the fact that it's friggin' FINLAND, I would be begging him to hire me, despite the fact that I don't much like him personally.

I suggest that unless and until you actually start WORKING in the modern graphic arts scene, you keep your opinions to yourself... This is NOT the Market of 15 years ago, or even FIVE years ago... One of the reasons DC and Marvel are failing so hard is because they are still adhering to the old (stupidly out of date) marketting and art paradigms.

And BTW, Jack Kirby would be laughed, literally, right off the stream if he tried to market the early marvel artwork today... today's comics owe more, stylistically, to Walt Disney than to Jack Kirby.

Anonymous CPEG October 04, 2017 1:25 AM  

It's nice that you're working in substantive criticism in with the trolling, but you're quibbling over the lettering and completely missed out on, say, the odd speech balloon placement in this page. I had to take a moment to figure out what order the speech balloons in the bottom panel should be read.

Blogger Dire Badger October 04, 2017 1:31 AM  

Actually, I was looking back at Kirby's classic stuff, and if he took more than two hours a page INCLUDING the laughable coloring, he was ripping the company off.

Considering he was often producing as many as 6 comics at a time, every month, even by classic comic book measurements diabolous is way off into 'stupid' territory.

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 04, 2017 1:37 AM  

@91 Mighty white of you, Markku! But you've misunderstood: my respect for your operation is total.

In the first place, I think it is both extremely shrewd on your part, and in fact, downright hilarious, that you can get so many people to share their credit card numbers with a sketchy, fly by night crowdfunding platform, one with none of the standard tools of reputable outfits like Kickstarter. You have groomed your audience well, and I can hardly fault you for that.

That your audience will donate with no explanation of where the money is going, and no expectation of delivery on their products except for the promise of "someday"... I'm serious, I salute you!

As for my incoherence, blah blah... look, at any time you are free to post a pie chart and a business plan. You've already ruled out selling in comic shops, and I'm certain you will not be doing shows, etc. So fine, you'll sell to your normal Castalia audience. I strongly suspect you do not understand comic fans as well as you do fans of written literature. Here's a hint: the art says it ALL. And your art, frankly, sucks.

(Oh, and Alt-Hero is not a "Vox Day" project, but a "Castalia House" project? Why should this change my calculations? This is the first detail you've released to the public about the creators! Hey, now at least now we know who ISN'T involved!)

But finally, we both know you can never be in the red over this project, because the money is donated and with a "no refunds" policy. You were technically in the black once you made your minimum. You can wait until then next species of dinosaur evolves to deliver the first issue and still be technically fulfilling your obligations.

But I'm not saying you plan to consciously screw anyone. I'm just saying there is no market for this comic and you know it, so the only money you will make is through the pledge drive.

Anonymous Ivan Throne October 04, 2017 1:41 AM  

@103

Vox Day did say the REEEEEEEEEs would be audible from orbit.

He didn't say they'd slap like bitter phlegm to the underside of the space station.

But that's what windows are for.

If $65k in less than a week creates such horrid envy in you, I suggest you work on abandoning attachment to inner despair and focus on cultivation of personal readiness for accomplishment.

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger Dave October 04, 2017 1:42 AM  

concern is that Vox not rape the field of comics

Ahh the Comic Police. I'm going to need your name and badge number. It appears there has been a wilful dereliction of duty judging by the efforts of Marvel and DC.

Anonymous Holmwood October 04, 2017 1:43 AM  

Dire Badger wrote:Heck, if it weren't for the fact that it's friggin' FINLAND, I would be begging him to hire me, despite the fact that I don't much like him personally.

Don't let the location bother you. I suspect Castalia has roughly one FTE Finnish employee.

As for liking Vox personally, I doubt that's an issue for most of us. I respect him. "Liking personally", especially on the internet, is kind of irrelevant. Even for many jobs these days, sadly.

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 04, 2017 1:51 AM  

@102 Dare we ask to see a sample of your etchings, Badger?

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 1:55 AM  

Oh, and Alt-Hero is not a "Vox Day" project, but a "Castalia House" project? Why should this change my calculations? This is the first detail you've released to the public about the creators!

Look at the trailer again. See that "Castalia Comics" at the beginning? Not exactly a great secret, now is it? Or maybe we're hiding it in plain sight, eh? Devious, but then, we're supervillains here.

Search Amazon for "Castalia House". Pick any of the books that currently have a hardcopy available. SJWs Always Lie is of course from Vox, and is one of the best sellers, but you can pick any book you like from any author you like.

Then, search the store of any medium-to-big book retailer for that book. B&N obviously, but I'm sure you'll come up with more. Do you find the book there?

As for our market, we don't intend to sell to fandom. We intend to ANTAGONIZE fandom. That's part of the strategy. It's been working for us for YEARS, and as is evident from the current Freestartr funding level, it's just keeps working better and better.

----
Fried, Jason; Heinemeier Hansson, David. ReWork (Kindle Locations 434-438). Ebury Digital. Kindle Edition.

A strong stand is how you attract superfans. They point to you and defend you. And they spread the word further, wider, and more passionately than any advertising could. Strong opinions aren’t free. You’ll turn some people off. They’ll accuse you of being arrogant and aloof. That’s life. For everyone who loves you, there will be others who hate you. If no one’s upset by what you’re saying, you’re probably not pushing hard enough. (And you’re probably boring, too.)

Anonymous Ivan Throne October 04, 2017 1:57 AM  

A strong stand is how you attract superfans. They point to you and defend you. And they spread the word further, wider, and more passionately than any advertising could. Strong opinions aren’t free. You’ll turn some people off. They’ll accuse you of being arrogant and aloof. That’s life. For everyone who loves you, there will be others who hate you.

Oh yes, much very yes.

If no one’s upset by what you’re saying, you’re probably not pushing hard enough. (And you’re probably boring, too.)

The Lord of Hosts deliver me from that.

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger roughcoat October 04, 2017 1:57 AM  

@103. Vox Diabolus

You're not even coherent, troll. Why do you worry that Vox will "rape the field of comics" when "there is no market for this comic and [the producers] know it"? If there's truly no market, the project will run its course and vanish into the depths of time, with no impact whatsoever on the noble field of comics.

I don't have the patience to elegantly lambaste you. You're just a fucking idiot. You're now in rhetorical shit-shotgun mode, hoping to touch a nerve, but your position is too divorced from reality for that to work.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 2:00 AM  

If you haven't read ReWork already, Ivan, you'll like it. Promise.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 04, 2017 2:04 AM  

@108 Markku

You only need a large enough of a fanbase to sustain a business model with room for growth into a next cohort of supporters. We're far enough into this thread that I can mention that the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEs are doing the marketing for Castalia Comics. Along with aligning Alt-Hero as counter-SJW (as confirmed by the sound making it to L1 at this point), which means it sets a fanbase that's been run out of "mainstream" Comics. (Comic Books are now ultra-niche, considering the Japanese Manga industry is upwards of 10x larger for a country 1/3rd the population and a language spoken in about 1/20th the world.)

The other aspect is that "Vox Day" acts as a Brand. Vox doesn't run it like that, as it's a version of himself, but it has cachet and value. Which is making heads explode.

As to the initial Art, I could think some touch-ups to the shading will be needed. It feels like, in the EU-based story, either the colors need to be shinier or more matte. It just, to me, feels like it needs to go one direction or the other a bit more.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 04, 2017 2:05 AM  

@109 Ivan Throne

Apropos nothing, that Video with you & Family Alpha smoking while arm wrestling was amazing.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 2:08 AM  

The other aspect is that "Vox Day" acts as a Brand. Vox doesn't run it like that, as it's a version of himself, but it has cachet and value.

Exactly. That's why I never correct people when they talk about some book as Vox's project instead of Castalia's project. It always gets the project more attention that way. I don't encourage the error myself, but if someone has already made it, then so much the better.

Blogger Dire Badger October 04, 2017 2:09 AM  

Vox Diabolus wrote:@102 Dare we ask to see a sample of your etchings, Badger?

No, my primary audience is furfags. Think 'tigerdile' streaming and fur affinity. I think a lot of them are sick bastards, but they always have lots of money.

Since they are notoriously over-the-top liberal, I am not going to destroy my business by linking my identity here with my work there. Considering that art streaming nets me about 200-500 bucks a night, you will understand if I am somewhat loath to give up my secret identity.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 04, 2017 2:25 AM  

@115 Dire Badger

Which is Badger admitting he doesn't do furry art, just to throw off the scent.


@114 Markku

One of the oddities around a lot of the West (and America in particular) is the desire to correct obvious errors that hurt the person making the error, even when they're utterly opposed to you. It's one of those harder lessons because society is better if everyone understands things properly. The issue is, however, that too often the person making the error is actually the one trying to hurt society, thus the best way to "help society" is to let the person make themselves objective more useless.

Life is, unfortunately, so much the proper application of cunning.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 2:25 AM  

It seems to me that the narrative that the enemy is trying to establish (I'm not just talking about this individual - this stuff is probably being discussed in fandom forums and mailing lists) is that since the crowdfunding campaign seems to not make a notable profit under any circumstances, then it MUST be a scam, and there will be no product. However, if it DID make a profit, then that would be a violation of trust as far as crowdfunding goes. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But then, that is exactly the way that psychological warfare is done in the culture wars. If there was no war, then there wouldn't be a market segment for us to enter. All this just goes with the territory.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 04, 2017 2:27 AM  

"fly by night crowdfunding platform"

If you had just said "new and possibly sketchy" it wouldn't be so easy to tell that you're trying to disparage and insult rather than honestly critiquing.

"That your audience will donate with no explanation of where the money is going, and no expectation of delivery on their products except for the promise of "someday"..."

You haven't been paying attention. Whether your ignorance is incidental or intentional, I care not, because you're implying that you have. Liar.

"Here's a hint: the art says it ALL. And your art, frankly, sucks."

Wrong on both counts. It's not fantastic art, but it's fairly solid.

"Why should this change my calculations?"

Because they're wrong.

"This is the first detail you've released to the public about the creators!"

Also false.

"But finally, we both know you can never be in the red over this project, because the money is donated and with a "no refunds" policy."

Dishonest, specifically because,

"You can wait until then next species of dinosaur evolves to deliver the first issue and still be technically fulfilling your obligations."

Is a straight lie. Giving a rough timeframe in months does not equal zero time-frame obligations.

"But I'm not saying you plan to consciously screw anyone."

You're only implying it, because you utterly lack the balls to say it outright, cretin.

"I'm just saying there is no market for this comic and you know it"

Yeah, there's no money for any of Castalia House's other stuff either. Or is there?

You've crossed over from mathematically semi-competent yet exceedingly ignorant concern troll to intentionally and obviously dishonest concern troll. Quality went from maybe 4/10 down to about 1.5/10, and you only get the extra .5 because of your particular audacity.

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 04, 2017 2:29 AM  

@108 Congratulations on selling books for a living! But as for this glib piece of non-logic...

" ...we don't intend to sell to fandom. We intend to ANTAGONIZE fandom. That's part of the strategy.'

...you can save that for the schmuck who pledged five grand to create a character for Alt-Hero without asking who will own the rights.

Do antagonized fans pay you in "antagonism dollars" or sumthin'? With all that talk of cigar chomping I confused you for a businessman! You can boast about word of mouth from people that hate you and superfans who will buy anything, but here's where your mad schemes hit the Source Wall, Darkseid: everyone-- left, right and center--who has ever bought a comic book has seen their share of shitty, no name superhero books. Nothing screams "instant turd" louder than some noob's lame effort to reinvent spandex.

Which, of course, is why you won't be taking this to print and selling it against real comic books! But there aren't enough Nazis buried under Nuremburg to make a market for a fascist superhero book, especially one sold through a smidgen of exclusively digital retailers.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 2:36 AM  

Do antagonized fans pay you in "antagonism dollars" or sumthin'?

I said fandom, not fans. The word "fandom", as it is currently used, refers to those who are still with the bandwagon of where the comic industry is going, with all the SJW crap it entails. The typical regular customer in a comic shop. Those are the people we'll poke in the eye. It will generate new fans. OUR fans.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 04, 2017 2:41 AM  

Fandumb doesn't actually buy very many comics, they just scream loudly about the comics that already exist that they don't like, and try to sell crappy converge-ions of comics.

Fans and new fans on the other hand, who may easily find this by following the scREEEEEEching of Fandumb and Co. (Who they also hate with a burning passion, though they might not understand why just yet).

Basically, the sound of a rabbit screaming draws more wolves. When untold numbers of rabbit cries cause a great disturbance in your eardrum, and then fall suddenly silent, you can bet the wolves are out looking for the smorgasbord.

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 04, 2017 2:41 AM  

@120 Ummm.... Can't poke someone in the eye when they never see your product.

Also, There will never be such a thing as "YOUR" fans because even a right-wing guy like "Diversity in Comics" still measures comic books first and foremost by their jerkoff potential, and the only one who will be able to masturbate to Rebel is the Crypt Keeper.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy October 04, 2017 2:45 AM  

Markku wrote:I said fandom, not fans.
Actually, the preferred plural for “fan”, in the sense of a member of ‘fandom’, is “fen”. Which has another meaning if you look in a good standard English dictionary.

Drain The Swamp!

Anonymous deplorable October 04, 2017 2:47 AM  

"That your audience will donate with no explanation of where the money is going, and no expectation of delivery on their products except for the promise of "someday"..."

That's right asshat,liar,hypocrite etc... keep donating to the HitleryKlinton foundation she's going to help the Haitain orphans any day now.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 2:49 AM  

Ummm.... Can't poke someone in the eye when they never see your product.

I take it you didn't actually count the number of Castalia books already in print. When Matthew gets here, I'm sure his photo will be plenty triggering.

Any book you can buy from B&N's website, is a book they can just as easily put on the shelf. It just doesn't generally make economical sense for them, due to the wholesale discount we have set.

Again, we've been doing this for several years. You can put fingers in your ears and shout LALALALALA all you want, but it's going to sell. Hardcopies and digital copies.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 04, 2017 3:00 AM  

@121 Azure Amaranthine

There isn't any actual market for the current Comic Book Industry big 2. There's an IP market that they're losses are a right-off for. And it's really starting to show.

Blogger Dire Badger October 04, 2017 3:04 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:@115 Dire Badger

Which is Badger admitting he doesn't do furry art, just to throw off the scent.



I wish. Hey, if you can find anything else that pays as well for a veteran pushing 50, that just requires a steady hand and little or no creativity and a willingness to sit on your ass for 6 hours a night and being your own boss, let me know.

I have no guilt about milking them for whatever I can get... convergence works both ways, and I can get in the occasional alpha/dom jab.

Blogger Jonathon Davies October 04, 2017 3:07 AM  

Art looks fine To me, though I'm no expert. Alt Hero novel sounds good.

Blogger Dire Badger October 04, 2017 3:10 AM  

Like... a better version of that 'wildcards' crap?

I would LOVE that. That was what made raperape popular in the first place... totally piss in his eye!

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 3:12 AM  

SJWs Always Lie at Barnes and Noble

Eligible for FREE SHIPPING
Get it by Monday, October 9
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Note the fast delivery time. This means that there are units already printed, already sitting in a warehouse somewhere. How did we do THAT?

Now, how exactly do you imagine it's going to be any more difficult to do this to Alt-Hero? It's just changing one radio button to another position. (Black and White to Premium Color) Yes, it will cost more per page, but that's why the retail price is also higher. This is not at all more difficult to us than the dozens of books we already have in print.

Anonymous JAG October 04, 2017 3:46 AM  

Vox Diabolus wrote:@108 Congratulations on selling books for a living! But as for this glib piece of non-logic...

" ...we don't intend to sell to fandom. We intend to ANTAGONIZE fandom. That's part of the strategy.'

...you can save that for the schmuck who pledged five grand to create a character for Alt-Hero without asking who will own the rights.

Do antagonized fans pay you in "antagonism dollars" or sumthin'? With all that talk of cigar chomping I confused you for a businessman! You can boast about word of mouth from people that hate you and superfans who will buy anything, but here's where your mad schemes hit the Source Wall, Darkseid: everyone-- left, right and center--who has ever bought a comic book has seen their share of shitty, no name superhero books. Nothing screams "instant turd" louder than some noob's lame effort to reinvent spandex.

Which, of course, is why you won't be taking this to print and selling it against real comic books! But there aren't enough Nazis buried under Nuremburg to make a market for a fascist superhero book, especially one sold through a smidgen of exclusively digital retailers.


Alt*Hero will be outselling most current Marvel titles out of the gate.

Seriously, you guys love setting yourselves up to eat crow over, and over, and over again. It's like their is some sick, deep seated psychological need for people like you to make fools of yourselves. You must enjoy the shame.

Blogger VD October 04, 2017 3:55 AM  

In the first place, I think it is both extremely shrewd on your part, and in fact, downright hilarious, that you can get so many people to share their credit card numbers with a sketchy, fly by night crowdfunding platform, one with none of the standard tools of reputable outfits like Kickstarter. You have groomed your audience well, and I can hardly fault you for that. That your audience will donate with no explanation of where the money is going, and no expectation of delivery on their products except for the promise of "someday"... I'm serious, I salute you!

You shouldn't. You see, you're forgetting something important. You're dealing with a fairly large group of people who have seen me repeatedly deliver everything from development lectures to an improvement upon Wikipedia. They also know that I care more about many things than about money. I have always delivered whenever I have taken money from everyone. Always. Even in the computer game industry, I was known for always delivering.

As for my incoherence, blah blah... look, at any time you are free to post a pie chart and a business plan. You've already ruled out selling in comic shops, and I'm certain you will not be doing shows, etc. So fine, you'll sell to your normal Castalia audience. I strongly suspect you do not understand comic fans as well as you do fans of written literature. Here's a hint: the art says it ALL. And your art, frankly, sucks.

We don't do business plans. We never have. They are fiction. Comic book fandom is no more our market than science fiction fandom. They are not our market and we will not chase them. And you are obviously lying, even comic critics who openly state they don't like me say the art is all right, if not particularly good. But more about that later today....

(Oh, and Alt-Hero is not a "Vox Day" project, but a "Castalia House" project? Why should this change my calculations? This is the first detail you've released to the public about the creators! Hey, now at least now we know who ISN'T involved!)

(facepalm) Again, in your eagerness to prove you know what you're talking about, you demonstrate that you know nothing. Castalia House gets better print pricing than most publishing houses, let alone self-publishers. Your price modeling does not account for our discounts.

But finally, we both know you can never be in the red over this project, because the money is donated and with a "no refunds" policy. You were technically in the black once you made your minimum. You can wait until then next species of dinosaur evolves to deliver the first issue and still be technically fulfilling your obligations.

Irrelevant. We cannot be in the red even if you assume we deliver everything we said we would. Again, your estimates are generally correct on average, but specifically well off in our case.. Also, as everyone who is involved with any project I lead knows, I get paid last. After everyone else. We frequently pay our authors for royalties on products that we haven't even been paid for yet.

But I'm not saying you plan to consciously screw anyone. I'm just saying there is no market for this comic and you know it, so the only money you will make is through the pledge drive.

Remember, you guys said the Freestartr campaign would fail too. There is a market for Alt★Hero and we will prove it.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 04, 2017 4:16 AM  

That your audience will donate with no explanation of where the money is going, and no expectation of delivery on their products except for the promise of "someday"... I'm serious, I salute you!

The reason nobody's the least bit worried about Castalia delivering in a timely fashion is because they've established a track record of doing what they say they're going to do, and doing it well. And they play fair.

Maybe you've never dealt with honest people before, which probably says something about where you're coming from. (Who is it that always projects?)

As someone who was once a part of comic fandom, and who has probably spent close to $100,000 on comics in my lifetime, I happen to prefer your lettered version of that page, and agree that it looks more professional than the original. But I'd rather invest in (not to mention read!) a work-in-progress like Alt*Hero than spend one more cent on Marvel's PC propaganda. It may be more professionally lettered, but it's the moral and cultural equivalent of bathing in sewage.

As for the art, it beats hell out of the first issue of Cerebus, and look how that turned out.

Blogger wreckage October 04, 2017 4:27 AM  

It's kind of sad to see Diabolus devoting real intellect and time to what amount to elaborate but transparent lies.

Lies need to be kept simple and consistent.

Arguing that it's a scam but also underpriced and a violation of comics safe-space while simultaneously guaranteed to never be seen by anyone ever is a terrible, terrible waste of what would otherwise be well-crafted deception.

My advice is, if you're going to put serious effort into a lie, don't then set it on fire by contradicting it.

Above all, don't commit equal resources to your main con and the contradiction.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 4:29 AM  

Arguing that it's a scam but also underpriced and a violation of comics safe-space while simultaneously guaranteed to never be seen by anyone ever is a terrible, terrible waste of what would otherwise be well-crafted deception.

I think he got angry along the way, and did the rhetorical equivalent of starting to throw haymakers at a more skilled opponent.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 04, 2017 4:37 AM  

I think he got angry along the way, and did the rhetorical equivalent of starting to throw haymakers at a more skilled opponent.

There was definitely a major effort made to come across as knowledgeable and genuinely concerned. He really was doing pretty well for a while. But it was very obvious the objective was to demoralize those who have invested, plant seeds of doubt about Castalia's and Vox's integrity, and attempt to kill the project's momentum. Your responses to him gradually brought that out.

Blogger wreckage October 04, 2017 4:39 AM  

I'm a bit annoyed that he couldn't stay in-character for even one full exchange.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 04, 2017 4:44 AM  

I'm a bit annoyed that he couldn't stay in-character for even one full exchange.

Don't despair. If they can manage to dredge up a better quality of troll, I'm sure they'll send him along eventually.

Blogger The Observer October 04, 2017 4:46 AM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:Don't despair. If they can manage to dredge up a better quality of troll, I'm sure they'll send him along eventually.

There are a couple on the Freestartr page to cut your teeth on, if you like. Think there's one trying to sow doubt about the authenticity of Freestartr at the moment.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 4:48 AM  

But it was very obvious the objective was to demoralize those who have invested

Exactly. I saw this right from the earlier threads. I just didn't have the time or energy to respond at the time. But I figured, I'll engage this time and then save the thread. If someone wants to hear our responses to these allegations and insinuations, I'll just give him the thread.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 04, 2017 5:42 AM  

Not bad. Vox Diabolous went a full five posts before entering its Gamma Secret King Meltdown Protocols. Seems they're trying to find tougher rabbits to toss to the SDL.

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2017 6:01 AM  

> In the first place, I think it is both extremely shrewd on your part, and in fact, downright hilarious, that you can get so many people to share their credit card numbers with a sketchy, fly by night crowdfunding platform...

Can you say "Equifax"? I knew you could.

> That your audience will donate with no explanation of where the money is going, and no expectation of delivery on their products except for the promise of "someday"...

Vox's word on "someday" is good enough. Your word, otoh...

> Here's a hint: the art says it ALL. And your art, frankly, sucks.

Which merely confirms you have no idea what you're talking about.

> I'm just saying there is no market for this comic and you know it, so the only money you will make is through the pledge drive.

And you're lying, since by this point you know better.

> ...you can save that for the schmuck who pledged five grand to create a character for Alt-Hero without asking who will own the rights.

You have no concept whatsoever how much money the people who frequent this blog make, do you? I'm probably one of the poorer ones.

> Which, of course, is why you won't be taking this to print and selling it against real comic books! But there aren't enough Nazis buried under Nuremburg to make a market for a fascist superhero book, especially one sold through a smidgen of exclusively digital retailers.

And again, you're lying. You know better on all counts.

> Art looks fine To me, though I'm no expert.

Having read tens of thousands of comic books over the years, from most of the publishers, the art is fine. Great, no. But more than adequate. And part of that is a simple matter of taste, which others may not agree with.

> Maybe you've never dealt with honest people before, which probably says something about where you're coming from.

Well, the management in most of the comic book industry is anything but honest.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 6:04 AM  

I forgot about this one:

...you can save that for the schmuck who pledged five grand to create a character for Alt-Hero without asking who will own the rights.

We will obviously have irrevocable, perpetual license to use the character any way we see fit. According to Finnish copyright law, it is not even possible to sign away "creator's rights", namely, the right of that person to be recognized as the designer. If he publicly says he has designed the character, then by law we cannot deny this or silence him even if we wanted to, and no matter what contracts say. But for all intents and purposes, it will be our character, just like any character in the Alt-Hero universe.

Now, he says that the backer who has agreed to this, is a "shmuck". This is a hilarious failure to understand the mindset of the backers. They KNOW they will not profit monetarily from the design. Us including the character in the Alt-Hero universe is merely a symbolic recognition of his particularly large gift to us. But that's what the higher tier payments are. They are GIFTS, not investments.

You see, Vox Diabolus is exactly the kind of person that they loathe so much that they are willing to give us thousands of dollars just for us to piss in his Cheerios. THAT should tell you how much demand there is for a new counter-culture to the established comics industry. This is why the comic will sell, after the campaign is finished and we start selling it through normal channels.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 04, 2017 6:06 AM  

@142. James Dixon [October 04, 2017 6:01 AM]
"Well, the management in most of the comic book industry is anything but honest."


There were those stories that Charlton Comics was a Mob front. Still, Steve Ditko.

Anonymous deplorable October 04, 2017 6:18 AM  

"This is why the comic will sell, after the campaign is finished and we start selling it through normal channels."

Vox could start selling it on WND or other conservative sites? They are afraid.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 04, 2017 6:30 AM  

@143 Markku

Courtside seats to the LA Lakers is a bit over $100k per year. Most professional sports are actually better to watch a few rows back, for in the Laker's case, a significant discount. Which also ignores that, aside from Hockey, most professional sports are better on a big screen, HD TV.

It's always a sign of arguing from a lack of knowledge for why someone would purchase something very expensive that does not produce a return. "Uniqueness" is valuable. Sometimes, insanely valuable. Much like my collection of original Picasso & Monet paintings.

Blogger VD October 04, 2017 6:51 AM  

Much like my collection of original Picasso & Monet paintings.

Dude, Picasso and Monet both sucked. They could not draw! Have you SEEN Monet try to draw a sunflower? Total shit! And don't get me started on the way Picasso clearly never saw a female body in his life!

Anonymous Hopeless Schmuck October 04, 2017 6:52 AM  

...you can save that for the schmuck who pledged five grand to create a character for Alt-Hero without asking who will own the rights.

All right, here's one of the two "schmucks" who ponied up 5k for the create-a-hero to add his two cents.

Here you go.

Markku has the right of it. I don't make very much. I'm not even a westerner (although I do support western civilisation). The thought of making money off my donation somehow, or the hero who will be a result of this donation, never ever crossed my mind. No, I didn't ask, because I didn't care, and with what general knowledge of copyright I have it would be obvious that Castalia would have all the relevant rights and to do with the character as they see fit.

It is 1) a gift to support CH, Vox, and the important work he is doing, 2) a grand middle finger to all SJWs, and 3) a cause I can feel is worth my time translated to money.

I'm even considering asking for only the Alt-Hero logo t-shirt instead of that of Rebel and the other to-be-determined hero, because guys walking around in public with sexy women printed on their t-shirts is frowned upon socially here.

Having read some of his books, Vox is a far better writer than I am, and I trust him and future writers to keep to the spirit of the character I'll be creating. The knowledge that she'll be seen by everyone all over the world in what's almost certainly going to be a minor supporting role in the comics and that I've participated in some small way in the beginning of a new paradigm of a medium I love, that's enough compensation for me.

So yeah. If anyone thinks the big donators are doing this to get "their money's worth", that's the sign of a mercenary mindset.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 04, 2017 7:17 AM  

@147 VD

It's a good thing I was between drinks, otherwise I'd have lost an electronic device or three when I saw that. HAHA.

Maybe the better bit is I could straight-up see an SJW making that argument with a straight face. They really are a bunch of pagan iconoclasts.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 04, 2017 7:32 AM  

@148 Hopeless Schmuck

In crowd funding, one should always remember that Star Citizen happened. (I was going to go with "exists", but that's a can of worms that's a massive digression.) Is there a value on taking a hammer, one might say Martel Hammer, to an SJW safe-space? Well, yes, there is.

And if this goes badly, was still worth it because it was there. Goes great? Awesome! You were instrumental in getting it off the ground floor. If it lasts for the next 50 years, you'll be able to always look back and go "yeah, that was amazing". And we'll have to check in soon to see if Mercury is getting the REEEEEE sound soon.

Side-joke: I searched for "current solar system position" and the first Ad was for Job Listings. Someone really messed up that text ad.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 04, 2017 7:37 AM  

I'm not a comic geek myself (that's my shortcoming, not a poke at those who are ;-) ), but I'm supporting at the $75 level to get the first hardback. I'm planning to give this to my grandnephew (who's like a grandson to us), who's almost 2yo now, in a few years. I'm betting on great success and that this will be a big hit with his generation and he'll have a great collector's item.

Blogger VD October 04, 2017 7:44 AM  

All right, here's one of the two "schmucks" who ponied up 5k for the create-a-hero to add his two cents.

Thanks very much for your powerful support. We do NOT take it lightly or for granted.

I'm even considering asking for only the Alt-Hero logo t-shirt instead of that of Rebel and the other to-be-determined hero, because guys walking around in public with sexy women printed on their t-shirts is frowned upon socially here.

We'll send you three logo shirts. Quite possibly with different logos, if things go according to plan.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 04, 2017 7:52 AM  

HAIL HAVOC AND LET SLIP THEIR CRIES OF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :-)

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2017 8:37 AM  

> Still, Steve Ditko.

Yeah, I never heard anything bad about Steve.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2017 8:38 AM  

In the first place, I think it is both extremely shrewd on your part, and in fact, downright hilarious,

This is made of tells.

Anonymous b October 04, 2017 8:39 AM  

I'd like to see Melusine and Sydney Prouth in Alt-Hero

Blogger Dave October 04, 2017 8:44 AM  

VD wrote:Much like my collection of original Picasso & Monet paintings.

Dude, Picasso and Monet both sucked. They could not draw! Have you SEEN Monet try to draw a sunflower? Total shit! And don't get me started on the way Picasso clearly never saw a female body in his life!


9/10

Anonymous CPEG October 04, 2017 8:49 AM  

"But there aren't enough Nazis buried under Nuremburg to make a market for a fascist superhero book, especially one sold through a smidgen of exclusively digital retailers."

Two of my favorite tells in one sentence.

He has been corrected many times that Castalia ships print volumes just fine - and that's WHY he is repeating it.

These fanatics interpret "That is factually incorrect" as if it were "Ow, that hurts."

This is why, when they're in the mood, they can take one tiny factual inaccuracy, however irrelevant, and try to beat you to death with it.

This is also why they never admit they were wrong, about anything. In fact, they are so averse to it that they have to do the opposite of admitting they were wrong just to stick it to anybody who might tell them.

And that is why SJWs Always Double Down.

Blogger Dave October 04, 2017 8:50 AM  

Having read some of his books, Vox is a far better writer than I am, and I trust him and future writers to keep to the spirit of the character I'll be creating. The knowledge that she'll be seen by everyone all over the world

she'll be seen

Blogger tuberman October 04, 2017 8:57 AM  

It is an absolute honor to contribute to Alt*Hero, especially from a mentoring position for the up and coming GenZ.

Blogger Brad Matthews (Deplorabard) October 04, 2017 9:20 AM  

And...nazis, right at the end of his concern parade. Color me shocked. What he is really pissed about is that this may become so big, Castalia becomes a full time comic enterprise. Other artists and writers will be joining and it will take off.

Anonymous DissidentRight October 04, 2017 9:49 AM  

The concern troll is just jelly that Vox & Co. have earned our trust, fair and square.

It must suck to be a genuinely intelligent SJW, who knows deep down that so many of the institutions he supports are run by people who obviously haven’t the slightest concern for their long-term profitability, and in many cases only continue to exist because of useful idiots.

I only discovered Vox a couple years ago, and here I am throwing money at him. There are many other people in various stages of that process, but it all ends in the same place. You figure out that yeah, Vox is the real deal. And when AltHero delivers exactly what was promised, even more people will come off the sidelines.

At this rate, Vox is going to get end up with people begging him to endorse their product.

Anonymous Ivan Throne October 04, 2017 10:29 AM  

@113

It was one of those magic moments that make men laugh and smile.

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 11:20 AM  

Markku wrote:I take it you didn't actually count the number of Castalia books already in print. When Matthew gets here, I'm sure his photo will be plenty triggering.



https://i.imgur.com/8mAk0d4.jpg

Prediction: the next complaint will be about the lighting and/or the lack of professional photography.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 04, 2017 11:53 AM  

Prediction: the next complaint will be about the lighting and/or the lack of professional photography.

My only complaint is that it's missing Throne of Bones and Summa.

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 04, 2017 12:50 PM  

I don’t know what the fascist equivalent of “REEEEE!” is, but whatever that noise may be, asking questions about this pledge drive has caused the donors squeal it repeatedly.

Vox, to his credit has been relatively forthcoming, at least in this forum. So now it is time for me to make MY donation to the Alt-Hero pledge drive. Announcing, at long last…

The Alt-Hero FAQ

What is the goal of Alt-Hero?

To poke SJWs in the eye. To antagonize them. To piss in their Cheerios.

Really? It isn’t to make a great comic book?

Great comics are read by our enemies.! When we make schlock, they are weakened and we grow stronger!

When will Alt-Hero be released?

We trust Vox Day. Vox Day is a trustworthy man of trustableness.

How about a ballpark estimate? 2019?

One does not make demands of the Dread Lord!

It’s just, there are a lot more moving pieces to a project with multiple artists and products… if you don’t have a time horizon its really easy to lose interest in fulfillment. Ask anyone who has run a Kickstarter.

Kool-Aid time! Grape or Cherry?

Why won’t you tell us who the artists are? Is it because they suck?

Blasphemy! Even the Dread Lord has confirmed that the art runs the gamut from “alright” to “not particularly good”!

If Vox Day is an editor, why do the pages he’s released show such terrible design? The word balloons don’t fill the panels in a pleasing way, and they touch the critical artwork unnecessarily. Do you know what a “tangent” is?

No one said fighting immigrants would be pretty.

Do the people paying 5k for the honor of creating a character for Alt-Hero own that character?

We will obviously have an irrevocable, perpetual license to use the character any way we see fit.

Why is that “obvious”? Is that spelled out somewhere on the campaign page?

It’s mentioned in the metatags.

But…

For all intents and purposes, it will be our character, just like any character in the Alt-Hero universe.

So they WON’T own the characters? See, a “perpetual license” isn’t the same as “work for hire”. Are you going to make it clear to these guys that if they hand over a character they have been developing on their own, perhaps since childhood, its gone forever?

REEEEEE!

Don’t stretch goals usually add value to a pledge? Your 70k stretch goal actually changed from a print edition of the second collection of Alt-Hero to some novel… which you are not even offering it as a bonus to your donors.

The bonus is to the canon of Western literature!

So Alt-Hero will NOT be sold in comic shops, or at comic conventions, or at major book outlets like B&N?

That is correct.

So how are you going to compete with mainstream comics? I thought this was supposed to be the “alternative” to comics as they exist today?

Silly, silly little man. The future of comic books are pledge drives funded by people who don’t READ comics, who don’t care about word balloons, delivery dates or sexy wimmen. People who like the taste of Cheerios and piss!

I thought that was what you were feeding the SJWs?

“SJW” is our word for “credit card holder”.

Anonymous Avalanche October 04, 2017 1:17 PM  

@96 "As a token of muh concern, here is an example of one of Alt-Hero's panels, side by side with the same panel lettered properly."

Oooooh, so you are assUming the sample pages set out for the FreeStartr are the finished product? Wow! You've never worked in the field have you! (Technical Editor by profession; so, I'm not familiar with comic production; I AM familiar with DRAFT art during (or in this case BEFORE) the project is underway.)

Thanks for making a panel pretty -- it just whets the appetite for Alt*Hero!

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 1:21 PM  

So Alt-Hero will NOT be sold in comic shops, or at comic conventions, or at major book outlets like B&N?

That is correct.


No matter what happens, it will be sold from the B&N website. Whether individual B&N stores are likely to put it in the shelf, depends entirely on what we set the wholesale discount to be. But as you can see from the B&N link to SJWs Always Lie, B&N clearly has our book in local stock. Otherwise they couldn't promise delivery for next Monday. The same will be true of Alt-Hero.

Anonymous Avalanche October 04, 2017 1:22 PM  

@101 "the odd speech balloon placement in this page. I had to take a moment to figure out what order the speech balloons in the bottom panel should be read."

Guessing you've never spoken with an angry woman?! We will talk (snarl) RIGHT OVER YOU to make sure our displeasure is clear.

I got a chuckle out of that! (Too, too pointed; and right at me!)

Anonymous Avalanche October 04, 2017 1:25 PM  

@103 "standard tools of reputable outfits like Kickstarter"

You mean, like, providing my personal info and CC number to a converged outfit I can 100% BE SURE will happily give me up to be doxed if they want to?! Right AFTER they kick off their site the campaign I would be supporting for being racistsexisthomophobic? Uh, yeah, I'll stick with the outfit Vox has checked out. Thanks for your... you know...

CONNNNNNCERN!

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 1:25 PM  

And also no matter what happens, any B&N store will be able to get the book to the customer within a couple of days, if the customer asks for it.

Anonymous Avalanche October 04, 2017 1:27 PM  

@103 "I'm just saying there is no market for this comic"

Right. That explains why Vox has to keep adding new stretch goals -- cause "no one" wants any. (Tell us again where you got your accounting degree?)(Or your COUNTING degree?)

Anonymous Avalanche October 04, 2017 1:34 PM  

@111 "If you haven't read ReWork already,"

Geez Markku! You're bankrupting me!! Nearly every book you guys put out AND now you're suggesting other books (read the first 2 pages, bought this). Ah, well -- it's all good. I'm sure my mortgage co. will understand!

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 1:49 PM  

Again, photo of most books we have already in print. You can get any of them from B&N website, or asking for it at the counter. See for yourself. Pick a book, then search the website.

Anonymous Avalanche October 04, 2017 1:52 PM  

@164 "https://i.imgur.com/8mAk0d4.jpg
Prediction: the next complaint will be about the lighting and/or the lack of professional photography."

Uh, no, my complaint would be that only one of Vox's TWO WND essay collections is shown. *I* have both! What's holding Mathew up? () Thought he was supposed to be a completist?

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 2:03 PM  

What's holding Mathew up?

I made those two covers. Considering I also adapted the AToB and Summa covers from Marcher Lord to Castalia, and they are ALSO missing, I think I'm noticing a pattern here...

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 04, 2017 2:29 PM  

@164 Actually, the lighting is perfect! See how the spines on the two books to the left show a noticeable mottling? That's the mark of print-on-demand quality! It also reminds you that the author isn't popular enough to justify an offset-print run of a thousand or more.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 2:53 PM  

I don't know if by mottling you mean that the gloss surface is not perfectly smooth. If however you refer to the apparent darker blots in the red color, that is just an artifact of jpg compression. The book has a subtle pattern of a printed circuit board. After imperfect focus and compression artifacts, it comes across like that.

Here's how it looks up close

Anonymous Anonymous October 04, 2017 3:11 PM  

I want to back for both hardcovers. Is it $130 and an email?

Thanks

P.S.:
Please do a figure in 28mm. As a separate item. I want that too.
In a perfect world, two packs, one heroes one villains.
Thanks again.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 3:23 PM  

Vox Diabolus wrote:It also reminds you that the author isn't popular enough to justify an offset-print run of a thousand or more.

It's true; we tried to buy a reconstruction of Gutenberg's original press, but couldn't afford the shipping to Finland.

You are a stupid monkey.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 3:27 PM  

One of the things the gay stupid goal-post-humping monkey has been [intentionally] ignoring when it suits him is the problem of storage and distribution.

Traditional publishing results in hundreds and thousands of copies of books in storage that get destroyed at the end of the year because of tax liabilities.

It results in new, but remaindered books, which often end up at such boutique venues as GoodWill. I have personally bought at least 3 copies of my favorite novel in nearly perfect condition at various GoodWill locations.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 3:31 PM  

Markku wrote:I made those two covers. Considering I also adapted the AToB and Summa covers from Marcher Lord to Castalia, and they are ALSO missing, I think I'm noticing a pattern here...

They smelled like ammonia and licorice. I just can't keep them near me.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 3:37 PM  

Markku wrote:I don't know if by mottling you mean that the gloss surface is not perfectly smooth.

I suspect the monkey doesn't know he's looking at case bound books. Or he's just flinging shit to see what sticks. Poor guy clearly enjoys the attention, even if negative.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 3:42 PM  

I just want to pin him down to an unambiguous claim, so he can't switch between them and play the Magical Moving Goalposts, like he's playing with it not supposedly appearing at Barnes and Noble. Which is only true of by it you mean, that he might not find it on the shelf. But that's not really what anyone would understand as "not being in B&N".

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 04, 2017 3:55 PM  

As an entirely unrelated third party who just happens to have a few of the same casebound books on my shelf (except the second Vox columns H/C, Avalanche - I hate you!), I can assure said poo-flinging monkey that they all look amazing. And my Amazon order arrived way too fast to be print-on-demand.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 04, 2017 3:56 PM  

Damn the SJW trolls! Every time they make a prediction of failure I find myself with an intense desire to pony up more money to get more collectible swag. These comics are going to end up being some of the most sought after comics if they keep it up.

Anonymous Vox Diabolus October 04, 2017 3:57 PM  

Markku, since you are being so cooperative, perhaps you will clear up this bit of fuzziness from earlier in our conversation: you confirmed that Vox Day is not actually writing these comics, yes? By which I mean, he may have cooked up the concept that is spelled out on the campaign page, but he will not be writing the stories or scripts.

Do I have that correct?

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 3:59 PM  

Vox Diabolus wrote:you confirmed that Vox Day is not actually writing these comics, yes? By which I mean, he may have cooked up the concept that is spelled out on the campaign page, but he will not be writing the stories or scripts.

Can you read? I think not.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 4:00 PM  

See how the monkey dances!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 04, 2017 4:01 PM  

I've been hanging out here for years, and there is one thing that is obvious. Vox is relentlessly honest. Always.
If Vox commits to something, it's a real commitment, and it gets done.
Never seen otherwise.

And I supported the project because I think it is the single most important project for taking back the popular culture that has happened since Ayn Rand publisher her novels. Since the comics are guaranteed to be more accessible to non-intellectuals, and are likely to be better written than the novels, it has the potential to take the crack opened by GamerGate and the Hugo revolt and tear this bitch wide open.

A generation raised on Alt-Hero comics will be immune to cultural Marxism.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 4:01 PM  

Do I have that correct?

No, Vox is writing the scripts based on which the artists draw the comics. You were also wrong earlier when you surmised that Vox doesn't have prior experience in this. He does. But I don't remember the comic right now. He showed it in a Darkstream a few days ago. Archangels-something.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 4:02 PM  

We know the monkey has already read the comments in the other post, but he's pretending he hasn't, because he wants to distract from his failed shit-flinging in this one.

5343 Kinds of Deplorable, the second volume of Vox's collected columns has not been printed yet. It is available in ebook.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 4:05 PM  

Specifically, at 11:21 Nate Standard Time this morning:

VD wrote:Has it been determined who is going to be writing Vol IV-VI? Will Vox be writing them, or is that up in the air right now?

I am writing all six volumes.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 4:07 PM  

The Voice of Slander knew this, obviously.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 04, 2017 4:12 PM  

Matthew wrote:The Voice of Slander knew this, obviously.

Classic gamma move. Assuming he knew more than other people. Too stupid to realize that most people who casually read this blog saw the attempted trap from a mile out. Let alone the moderators.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 4:18 PM  

They're so used to organizations lying that they imagine that just asking a random question, they'll get two different answers from two different people. Considering where he's working*, this is an understandable assumption.

*the font he used in his speech bubbles is not one of the obvious options - I couldn't find it on Blambot. Crimefighter BB was close, but not quite. So, he probably does this at least semi-professionally.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 4:19 PM  

Voice of Slander, your further comments will be deleted until you address Markku's clarification about mottling.

Blogger Matthew October 04, 2017 4:21 PM  

Markku wrote:he probably does this at least semi-professionally

It's almost sympathy-generating, how he showed us he thought he could do a better job.

Blogger Markku October 04, 2017 4:22 PM  

I suppose that B&N could be the middleman between your shop and Ingram, taking the orders for one-off printings. There is nothing illegitimate about any of this, but it just goes to remind folks that Alt-Hero will not be competing with the major labels in the sort of places where normies might encounter it.

Nope. We have a higher-tier service than the IngramSparks, CreateSpaces and Lulus you're used to. It switches organically between digital printing and offset printing, as the sales numbers warrant. Also, if you want offset printing right from the beginning, you can make an investment and you'll get it. If they make the decision, it's free. There are buffers of printed books both on the Ingram logistics side, and the side of the major retailers like Amazon and B&N.

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