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Friday, October 27, 2017

Catalonia declares independence

Things may have just gotten a little more interesting in Spain.
Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain

The Catalan regional parliament has voted to declare independence from Spain, just as the Spanish government appears set to impose direct rule. The move was backed 70-10 in a ballot boycotted by opposition MPs.

Spain's Senate is still to vote on whether for the first time to enact Article 155 of the Spanish constitution, which empowers the government to take "all measures necessary to compel" a region in case of a crisis.
I have absolutely no sense that anyone in Catalonia is interested in actually fighting for independence, or even seeking true independence free of the European Union. Then again, Napoleon didn't think the Spanish were going to fight the king he imposed on them either. Either way, we will probably find out fairly soon.

It might be even more interesting if the Spanish Senate voted against enacting Article 155.

UPDATE: They didn't exactly hesitate. Madrid imposes direct rule on Catalonia just 40 minutes after the region FINALLY declared independence.

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Blogger Longtime Lurker October 27, 2017 10:19 AM  

This is going to end well.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 27, 2017 10:22 AM  

WW1 started with a single bullet.

Blogger Salt October 27, 2017 10:23 AM  

Why should there be any fighting? Democracy after all.

Blogger Lazarus October 27, 2017 10:37 AM  

How many divisions do they have?

Blogger Arthur Isaac October 27, 2017 10:37 AM  

When is the US going to officially recognize them and start bombing Spain as in the case of Bosnia?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2017 10:39 AM  

Catalonia: "Let's play chicken!"
Madrid: "Ok! We'll go for it!"

Everyone else: "Are you guys crazy?"

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2017 10:40 AM  

@5
When is the US going to officially recognize them and start bombing Spain as in the case of Bosnia?

Eh, not enough Muslims in Barcelona yet.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan October 27, 2017 10:48 AM  

"@5
When is the US going to officially recognize them and start bombing Spain as in the case of Bosnia?"

I am patiently waiting for Arizona Senator McCuck McCrazy to call for the printing of the "WE'RE ALL CATALONIANS NOW!!!" t-shirts.

Blogger Alvin von Diaspar October 27, 2017 11:03 AM  

The Spanish government was foolish in letting them declare independence, thinking that symbols such as that one have no power. I heard an analogy recently which I think is quite accurate, which was the example of the vows that the groom and the bride recite during the wedding ceremony and the priest's words "I declare you husband and wife". Indeed, they're just words, but after the priest has pronounced the word "wife" something seems to change, something is different and you can feel it in the air. A wedding is valid because society accepts it as such through a ritual.

The Spanish government thinks that nothing has changed after this declaration, but in actuality many things have changed in the minds of the independence supporters.

As a loyal Spaniard, I surely hope the separatists will be crushed, but I cannot help but notice that there's been "un antes y un después", a "before and after". This is a turning point. I will never forgive the traitorous politicians in power for allowing this "symbol", and for thinking that it was only a "symbol".

Revolutions always seem greener on the other side of the border, paraphrasing the famous saying. Coups d'état, unilateral secessions, are so attractive and fabulous when seen from afar; but when it's your country that's breaking apart and having to undergo the catastrophic social and economical consequences of a revolution, things change. It doesn't feel so elevating and inspiring, and romanticism is replaced by deep worry and fear.

Not to mention if you're an anti-separatist Catalan in Catalonia in these moments.

Blogger John Regan October 27, 2017 11:34 AM  

Could get very interesting. Not in a good way. The Spanish can be harsh when they've a mind to be.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 27, 2017 11:38 AM  

@1

"In fire and blood."

https://youtu.be/OYt78FWfa5M?t=26s

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 27, 2017 11:41 AM  

@2

Nah. It started because the Austrians, who already had beef with the Serbs, wanted an excuse to expand into Eastern Europe, no matter how flimsy, because they really had no where else to balloon out to.

Blogger Dirtnapninja October 27, 2017 11:42 AM  

Spain should reorganise itself on the swiss model.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 27, 2017 11:44 AM  

@4

Well, if Hearts of Iron 4 is anything to go buy, Catalonia should have precisely... zero... because it doesn't exist as it's own independent polity and, even if you got a coup started in that region, with the way the game works, you could only hope to have a single, crappy division as your only hope against the, like 52 or more divisions the Spanish tend to generate after their civil war.

Anonymous Grayman October 27, 2017 11:46 AM  

I AM entertained!

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/POPCORN-2.gif

Blogger Lazarus October 27, 2017 11:49 AM  

An interesting take on the situation generally, which also has a bonus "Fun with Flags" section

https://themolesite.wordpress.com/2017/10/08/catalonian-independence-what-you-are-not-being-told/

Blogger James Dixon October 27, 2017 11:58 AM  

> Things may have just gotten a little more interesting in Spain.

Very much so. I'm glad I'm far away from it. Not that we won't have our own problems soon enough. I was hoping it would be after my lifetime, but the math ($20T of debt and growing) is saying otherwise. :(

Blogger Azimus October 27, 2017 12:00 PM  

2. Stg58/Animal Mother October 27, 2017 10:22 AM
WW1 started with a single bullet.


And centuries of festering ethnic hatred & resentment, mixed in a broth of a declining nation's envy of another's rise.

Which, in the case of Catalonia, at least partially reinforces your point.

Blogger Azimus October 27, 2017 12:03 PM  

There are surely many people here with deeper knowledge, but from what I've seen this does not even rise to the separatism of the Basques - so far it's all paper unless Madrid tries them all for treason.

Anonymous Grayman October 27, 2017 12:05 PM  

Let those of us not in Europe not get to comfortable enjoying this show. It is only a matter time before the same show is put on in the US. That is most likely years away, but it is coming, the only question is timing.

Consider how things are going to escalate when you have cities that are 30% illegal immigrants (Newark NJ)! If nothing else it will be very interesting to see how the dynamics play out amongst the various minority factions in the US. IN heavy urban centers you have Indian (dot not feather), Hispanic, Black, and Asian, as well as subgroups within those minorities.

Blogger ZhukovG October 27, 2017 12:07 PM  

The best thing for Spain to do is allow Catalonia to go on the condition that it immediately annex all of Spain. The Catalans in charge couldn't be any worse then the morons currently running Spain's government.

Anonymous Grayman October 27, 2017 12:09 PM  

@17 James,

No such luck unless you have an unfortunate meeting with diversity. The US and Europe should be well aflame by 2030 if not earlier.

Anonymous Iron Spartan October 27, 2017 12:17 PM  

I was under the impression that the Catalonians backed down after the EU said they wouldn't be given member status.

So what brought on this latest act of defiance and what is the over/under that this gets hot enough to involve other nations?

Blogger James Dixon October 27, 2017 12:21 PM  

> So what brought on this latest act of defiance

TPTB like to think they're in charge of events. Events seem to like to disabuse them of this notion.

Anonymous Grayman October 27, 2017 12:26 PM  

There is an interesting argument that the Catalonia issue is being heavily stoked by the globalist powers in the push towards the real federalization of the EU.
If that is the case then Catalonia is essentially a straw man, being used to further other political interests.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 27, 2017 12:28 PM  

This is all posturing today, but I'll bet it is the 1776 D-of-I in terms of eventual significance to those directly involved.

People don't start out any disagreement ready for actual warfare; it takes time for all involved to work their way up to it. The urge to splinter, to create smaller polities out of large ones, is still in its infancy. Its hands are still too small to grasp a gun. That will change.

Huge trees grow from small seeds.

Anonymous Grayman October 27, 2017 12:36 PM  

@26 DC

I know you are a bond guy, imagine the implosion that occurs as the EU starts to disintegrate. Who is going to be backing all of those lovely EU debts?

Blogger dc.sunsets October 27, 2017 12:40 PM  

@17 James Dixon, I concur. Until recently I'd have bet against the USA going all the way to The Singularity, where compound annual increases in debt-fueled spending (and tax cuts for ALL!) would reach a slope of infinity, but now I'm unsure.

Sooner or later interest rates will break out to the upside, meaning the value of existing debt craters in earnest. Given the impossible-to-grasp immensity of the Bond Ocean, another doubling of the 10-Year T-note's yield (it already doubled in the last 5 months of 2016) from recent lows would coincide with tens of trillions of dollars of "wealth" simply evaporating.

Once that spiral starts, I doubt there will be any way to stop it. Might I add that the 10-year yield is in an unequivocal uptrend on a monthly chart? Nothing about such things is certain, but it has all the earmarks of a major, long-term bear market for debt.

The Bond Vigilantes are about to come back from the dead, and they're going to be very, very angry.

Anonymous Jordi Matheu October 27, 2017 12:42 PM  

Greetings from Barcelona!

The only way you can have a valid secession is a direct vote with over 60% citizens voting at least, and on all 4 options.

The left won't let that happen as they know they'll lose. Hence the legislative vote and phony unmonitored popular votes. Their aim is to pretend-secede and stir up division and hopefully a crackdown or chaos that leaves them with a propaganda win or in power.

The Left always lies.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 27, 2017 12:42 PM  

@27 The death of the EU won't first be political.

The guy at the party with a seemingly unlimited credit card, who is willing to fund everyone's hookers and blow on what looks like an infinite scale, is everyone's best friend.

Right up until his card gets declined. How long does it take for that party to be deserted, with only the wreckage left and no one to clean up?

Blogger Sithicus October 27, 2017 12:52 PM  

Well that escalated quickly....

Anonymous Grayman October 27, 2017 12:52 PM  

@30 DC

:( I've been going to the wrong parties....

Blogger J.M. October 27, 2017 1:03 PM  

Alvin von Diaspar wrote:The Spanish government was foolish in letting them declare independence, thinking that symbols such as that one have no power.

I am afraid that the actions of the central government are not at all the result of idiocy and ignorance (at least many of them) but they are borne of political calculations...and those calculations seem to include the controlled demolition of the entity called Spain.

My prediction is that in five years, sans an even stronger popular reaction (far stronger than what we saw in October and with some organization), Catalonia will be independent, will still suck from the Spanish tits (still have their social security and infrastructure paid for) and will be part of the EU or in the pipeline to become a full-fledged member of that wretched club. The worst that can happen is an attempt of military intervention by Spain in a "bid" to stop the separatists, such an act would deliver into the separatists hands the victory they have longed for in the field of propaganda and would allow the EU and other countries to abandon their position of "support" to the regime in Madrid...

Women and politicians cannot be judged by the BS they spout but by their actions and so far the Spanish government actions support my grim predictions...

As Zhukov said, hand over the government of Spain to Puidgemont and his loonies, they cannot be much worse than the traitors in Madrid.

Blogger Daniel October 27, 2017 1:11 PM  

You keep ignoring the fact, when analysing this, that spaniards are not like the central europeans. Spaniards are brutish, dumb and rude. They do not grasp the idea of being sutile, even less finesse. Do not make predictions with the mindset they would react in the same way a french or a german would react.

Blogger Thucydides October 27, 2017 1:17 PM  

Watch carefully and learn. This could be a template of how the "Blue" cities and counties will act as their finances and governing models collapse.

Blogger Thucydides October 27, 2017 1:21 PM  

@20
Tribal warfare will be the rule of the day inside the "Blue" cities and counties. One of the real issues in any future American Civil War is how fast the "Red" states and counties can seal off the "Blue" regions to prevent panicked mobs spilling out and looting the countryside.

Anonymous MIG October 27, 2017 1:21 PM  

What I am afraid of, maybe irrationally, is that if a "hot" war starts with shootings and bombings, they might destroy one of Gaudi's priceless masterpieces. Am I paranoid? I once had a surreal, out-of-body experience inside one of his houses.

Anonymous Dan October 27, 2017 1:25 PM  

Catalonia doesn't need to fight, 4G warfare can all. All they need is cell phone cameras.

Step 1: Form human circles around leaders whom Spain has vowed to arrest.
Step 2: Police dutifully beat the crowd senseless.
Step 3: YouTube.
Step 4: Victory!

It wouldn't be the first time a people with no military strategy got its independence by being repeatedly beaten senseless in performance art on the world stage. Given the current zeitgeist, getting smashed in the skull with a baton over and over looks as likely to succeed as any plan.

Blogger dienw October 27, 2017 1:34 PM  

Lazarus wrote:An interesting take on the situation generally, which also has a bonus "Fun with Flags" section

Thanks for the link. Saw this:
"Catalonia has a large muslim community, and with independence the percentage of muslims will be one of the largest in Europe."

And where is the nearest readily available force of fighting age Moslems? Already in Europe.This is going to be worse than Kosovo. Well played, Soros. Well played.




Blogger Alvin von Diaspar October 27, 2017 1:35 PM  

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Blogger Alvin von Diaspar October 27, 2017 1:37 PM  

By the way, something should be remarked:

Independence was declared with 70 votes in favor in a parliament of 135 seats. Reforms in the Catalan charter/statute of autonomy require 2/3 of the votes in favor. That implies that the destruction of the Spanish state and the institution of a Catalan Republic was approved by a very weak majority which wouldn't have been enough to pass a reform of their statute of autonomy.

In the illegal referendum which was celebrated on October 1st, 2 million Catalans voted from an electoral body of 5 million. 90% voted in favor of independence, simply because those against independence did not view the referendum as legitimate and did not bother to go vote.

Small facts, they don't change the facts of today, but they should be remembered every now and then, for the sake of truth.

Anonymous Dan October 27, 2017 1:39 PM  

After watching almost every episode this season I was kind of let down by the season finale where the protagonist sought reconciliation. I thought my favorite show was going to be cancelled. Many thanks to the Catalans for opting to renew this series for a second season.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 27, 2017 1:39 PM  

@36 When the Blue cities try to loot the Red rurals it won't be via locust-swarms. It will be exactly the same as the 1930's...via politics.

Given how habituated are people, high to low, to binding their depredations with figments of legality, expect there to be Judicial orders for resource reallocation.

The real question at all times is whether there remains sufficient popular consent to fill the ranks of the enforcers. We see lots of horror stories about empty shelves and emaciated kids in Venezuela, but that's the same as when the Press goes to a flooded area: you see photos of the flooded cars but for all you know, it was the only such image found within 20 miles.

As long as the enforcement system stays in place (and sometimes all that holds it together is naked self-preservation) then the looting of Reds in favor of Blues will be orderly, blessed at the highest levels and "legal."

Of course, another model is the Mexican/Brazilian one, where as long as the elites are safe inside their gated communities, the rest of the world can burn for all they care.

Anonymous Dan October 27, 2017 1:43 PM  

"And where is the nearest readily available force of fighting age Moslems? Already in Europe.This is going to be worse than Kosovo. Well played, Soros. Well played."

That's exactly why small countries are better:

Let the Catalans experience the consequences of their leftism with nobody to blame but themselves. They'll learn.

Blogger James Dixon October 27, 2017 2:14 PM  

> The only way you can have a valid secession is a direct vote with over 60% citizens voting at least, and on all 4 options.

The only way you can have a valid secession is for the secessionists to be able to hold the territory. The voting is purely a symbol. We'll see if they can hold out against Spain or not.

> This is all posturing today, but I'll bet it is the 1776 D-of-I in terms of eventual significance to those directly involved.

Exactly. These things take on a life of their own. No one is in control at this point.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 27, 2017 2:15 PM  

d.c. sunsets:
@36 When the Blue cities try to loot the Red rurals it won't be via locust-swarms. It will be exactly the same as the 1930's...via politics.

Given how habituated are people, high to low, to binding their depredations with figments of legality, expect there to be Judicial orders for resource reallocation.

The real question at all times is whether there remains sufficient popular consent to fill the ranks of the enforcers.


DC as usual is quite perceptive. Note that the infamous Wickard decision (you have no right to grow food to feed yourself on land that you own without government permission - because interstate commerce) remains standing, as do all of the federal gun laws enacted since 1934.

None of the blackrobes who've made completely lawless rulings over the past 10 months have been defied - not even by Trump - much less impeached and removed from office (every single one deserves it). Meanwhile, entire states (California to name one) and cities have openly defied federal law with zero consequences (Trump and Sessions have done nothing whatsoever about it). As for the badge-gang goondas at all levels, their behavior has been on full display for all to see (all those who have the eyes to see), since long before Charlottesville. Las Vegas is merely the latest example. They are nothing more than criminals in uniform, operating under the color of law. There is no law, for course. But that minor detail never sinks in to the ghost-dancers. More will see when the opium haze finally evaporates, but it's going to get very ugly.

Blogger tennvols87 October 27, 2017 2:54 PM  

Yea they tried that last time- and the EU yawned and Catalonia realized they were completely isolated. I assure you Macron and Merkel have already told Rajoy that if he needs to use the military he has the EU's unconditional support.

This ends with the Catalonian elite in jail or in exile. SJWs always double down and this time they are gonna get stomped.

Blogger tennvols87 October 27, 2017 2:58 PM  

By the time of the Declaration of Independence major battlefield engagements between the two sides had been going on for more than a year. Sucessful secession start with a call to arms and work up to statement of principles.

Blogger The Kurgan October 27, 2017 3:04 PM  

A few of them actually. He was a crappy shooter.

Blogger Chent October 27, 2017 3:19 PM  

The Parliament of Catalonia declares independence... Spain applies article 155.. After that, the government of Spain calls regional elections.

How boring. Where have I seen this news? I know! In my own predictions, the ones I did in this blog last September 28.

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/09/catalonian-update.html?showComment=1506609922805#c8380404761816261497

Prediction 9 confirmed. So far, confirmed predictions 1 to 9. 100% of accuracy.

If you had read my comment last September 28, you would have known exactly how things were going to unfold.

Take that, Isaiah! It was easy to be a prophet.

Now prepare for more unrest (prediction 8), and, 6 months or one year from now, predictions 10 and 11.


Anonymous FP October 27, 2017 3:20 PM  

"As long as the enforcement system stays in place (and sometimes all that holds it together is naked self-preservation) then the looting of Reds in favor of Blues will be orderly, blessed at the highest levels and "legal.""

While the comparison is fair, this also isn't the 1930s. I don't see habit keeping many from resisting so called lawful orders given all that has happened in the last two years, let alone the last twenty-five. Self-preservation can go the other way.

Hence why it is so important for us to push the rhetoric up and just point out the ever increasing insanity of the left.

Anonymous Grayman October 27, 2017 3:27 PM  

Kong , DC

Red areas will be a bit more likely to see the arbitrary nature of law and reality of LEO recognized. Being more rural in general its much more likely that a few polite reminders or "notes" left at the homes of local LE make an effective point about certain realities such as the degree to which LE is out manned and outgunned and do they really want that fight.

That is really the last "safety" on the system. Once the people are pushed to the point of refusing to acknowledge the "rule of the crown" I suspect things will accelerate rapidly.
Its an entirely asymmetric conflict once people lose fear of the "law" and there is no "army" for TPTB to drone, just 10 million random faces distributed amongst the population.

As has been discussed here before, it only takes a handful of motivated individuals to bring entire cities and their supply chains to a grinding halt.

Anonymous VFM #7916 October 27, 2017 4:19 PM  

@50 It's nice to say I told you so, but #10 and #11 are what will make or break you...

It's also fun to see that elected politicians can be "fired" by directive rather than referendum. It really makes me thoughtful.

Blogger Gospace October 27, 2017 4:57 PM  

John Regan October 27, 2017 11:34 AM
Could get very interesting. Not in a good way. The Spanish can be harsh when they've a mind to be.


And if you don't believe that, ask the Aztecs for confirmation.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 27, 2017 5:09 PM  

"And if you don't believe that, ask the Aztecs for confirmation."

What Aztecs? ... Oh.

Blogger Doom October 27, 2017 6:39 PM  

Well pleased.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 27, 2017 7:06 PM  

Greatly looking forward to the Commonwealth of Independent European States ...

At least without Stalin-backed communists, the upcoming Spanish Civil War could perhaps be a settling of long-overdue matters.

But I doubt it.

This time instead of Stalin's hand up the back side of one of the antagonists, it's the hand of George Soros and his lackeys.

Still, it would be such great fun for there to be a challenger to the legitimacy of the EU through a rival organisation.

Why can't there be SMERSH and SPECTRE? Let a hundred evil flowers bloom ... oh, wait, I can't be quoting Chairman Mao, nobody'd listen to me anyhow ... :-)

Well, you know ... I think it's eventually gonna be Alt Right. :-)

Blogger xavier October 27, 2017 7:35 PM  

The EU will implode. They have no idea what they've done (or perhaps they do) when they gave Rajoya carte blanche. He's going to combine Franconist style repression with Decrets de la nova planta to permenantly destroy the culture and language.
The Europeans will thrn be horrified while the Catalans resit and stRt forking and replaci g the new institutions. As Vox pointed out tbere are political calculations: name the cado Gurtel corruption investigation. This is a fascinating case where many of the major players have either died or comitted suicide and Rajoy was directly implicated with taking illegal payments.
So the constitutional crisis was set up over 10 years ago to distract everone from that.
Also a few days ago a Spanish minister openly threatened Basque country and Navarre with the 155! Also Catilla de Mancha but that's because the corruption is too brazen.

So we see Rajoy wants to imitate Felipe V and Carlos III but will fail

Blogger Lazarus October 27, 2017 7:37 PM  

VFM #7916 wrote:It's also fun to see that elected politicians can be "fired" by directive rather than referendum. It really makes me thoughtful.

That is what democracy is all about, yes?

Anonymous Catalostrophe October 27, 2017 8:10 PM  

Independence is fine, but there's no need for extreme measures on Spain's part. Just make it clear that Catalunya will no longer be a part of the EU, and passports and visa controls will be required for travel between Catalunya and Spain as well as France on the other side.

Also, the Catamites will no longer be able to use the Euro and will have to issue their own currency, which will probably be valued more along the lines of the Albanian Lek than the Swiss Franc.

Blogger Doom October 27, 2017 9:12 PM  

By the way? Unless Spain goes to war, involving partial genocide and political decapitation so as to retain control? The EU will take them. While they need *cough* the EU, the EU needs them more. Such is the way of vampirism. Might take some time, or maybe they will be shameless in their lust for servitude.

Anonymous Haxo Angmaerk October 27, 2017 9:30 PM  

2 gangs of socialists fighting over a nationality issue.

from a hardRight viewpoint, does it get any better?

I think not.

this mess prefigures the end of the EU itself.

Blogger buscaraons October 27, 2017 10:12 PM  

@ Catastrope:
An independent country can use any currency it wants. Ecuador and Panama use the American dollar.
Personally, I'd like Catalunya to be out of the EU, I deeply distrust them and think the region would be far better off on it's own. Tough? Sure but if the Catalans want their own country, they'll work for it.

Blogger Doom October 27, 2017 10:52 PM  

I'm with you, buscaraons. I am not sure they, or their leadership, is. Corruption is a part of success, if often only in the short term. Some, many, perhaps most can only think in the short term, which is why bankers, not saints, run much of the joint. Well, and gold, even fool's gold, is often mistaken for success. How much gold did Germany ever get repatriated?

Blogger John Regan October 27, 2017 11:06 PM  

OTOH, let's not forget that this was the product of a Spaniard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdIvpuR1rpE

Anonymous Jack Amok October 28, 2017 12:33 AM  

Nah. It started because the Austrians, who already had beef with the Serbs, wanted an excuse to expand into Eastern Europe, no matter how flimsy, because they really had no where else to balloon out to.

WWI was started because two generations of inbred idiots running European politics piled all the TNT they could muster into one place and ran a hundred fuses off in every direction. In the end, it was the improbable assassination of AD Ferdinand (the assassination attempt failed, so Princep went off to get lunch, then the Arch Duke's driver got lost, took a wrong turn, and ended up at a dead end right in front of the cafe Princep was eating as, just as he was finishing and stepping outside...) that lit the fuse, but there had been multiple near-misses in the years previous. Sooner or later, something was going to start it. The war had been baked into the cake.

Just like Current Year, unfortunately.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 28, 2017 12:34 AM  

I'm glad I'm far away from it. Not that we won't have our own problems soon enough. I was hoping it would be after my lifetime, but...

I have a 15 year old son. I'd prefer to get it all over with in the next three years, but I don't think that's going to happen.

Blogger Sam Spade October 28, 2017 7:01 AM  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373064007927595009/373783215011397632/1509185148594.png

Anonymous NobodyExpects October 28, 2017 7:46 AM  

Secessionists bluffed, bluff got called, bluff collapsed. End of history.

@Chent: Heartfelt congratulations, sir!

Anonymous Rhyming and alliteration lover October 28, 2017 9:08 AM  

Ya know ...if they dont get their much sought after independence then the pain in Spain will mainly be in vain. (for them)

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