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Thursday, October 19, 2017

Convergence in a nutshell

The NFL is discovering that social justice convergence comes at a price:
“If we are disrespecting the flag, then we won’t play. Period.”

Those words from Jerry Jones on Oct. 8 were widely taken as a salvo delivered from an owner to all the players using the national anthem as a platform for protest.

But as I see it, that was no declaration of war on guys kneeling. I don’t think the Cowboys boss was even talking to players. My feeling: he was talking through the players, and hoping his message would land in living rooms from El Paso to Wichita Falls.

And to explain why, I’ll give you the three words that should serve as your guidepost in explaining almost everything NFL: Follow the money.

The Cowboys need those people in West Texas and on the Oklahoma border to watch. The NFL needs those people tune in too. And the proof came in the ratings not that you read about this week, but rather the ones that were privately presented to the owners over the league’s two-day meetings in lower Manhattan.

The focus Tuesday and Wednesday was on the players’ desire to have a stage to address social causes, and the associated protests during the anthem that resulted. But in the background loomed the reality that the discord of the past few weeks wasn’t good for anyone’s bottom line, and the ratings might just be the first proof.

“There’s no question this had an impact on the business,” said Giants owner John Mara. “But this is an important social issue. And sometimes you have to put the interests of the business behind the interest of issues that are more important than that.”
That sounds very noble. But there is ALWAYS an important social issue for which the interests of the business must be sacrificed. These owners would benefit greatly from someone in their inner circle reading SJWs Always Double Down, because they clearly do not realize that the SJWs will never be content no matter what concessions are made to them.

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75 Comments:

Anonymous Reenay October 19, 2017 11:04 AM  

And sometimes you have to put the interests of the business behind the interest of issues that are more important than that.

And yet, it never occurs to them that being on the right side of the issue also happens to be profitable. See: Chick-Fil-A.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 19, 2017 11:16 AM  

Good Lord

Blogger Ceasar October 19, 2017 11:19 AM  

The Obama team is looking to capture any media-public platform for their "Resistance", the NFL is just one. The fact that the league is over 70% black just makes it easier. I think people do not understand that pretty much all American-blacks will do anything required to save the legacy of the first black president (Sorry Bubba). And I do mean anything. If it means burning everything to the ground then so be it.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 19, 2017 11:20 AM  

Then Mara should Free his slaves to go fight for their cause. I’m sure he can find other less social-cause committed gents to toss around the pigskin for a small fee.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 19, 2017 11:20 AM  

“There’s no question this had an impact on the business,” said Giants owner John Mara. “But this is an important social issue. And sometimes you have to put the interests of the business behind the interest of issues that are more important than that.”

Looks kind of like the Marissa Mayer style of management. How'd that work out for Yahoo?

Anonymous Laz October 19, 2017 11:28 AM  

Like I've said before, unless the league implodes Jerry Jones won't suffer near as much as the other owners. Except for the ones in and around Oakland, all the Mexicans are Cowboys fans.

Anonymous Jordi October 19, 2017 11:28 AM  

I think they have a "toothpaste out of the tube" issue here. It's easy not to spill toothpaste out of a tube, but once the toothpaste is out of the tube there is no way to put it back in.

Correct solution would have been to fine Kaepernick into oblivion last year, and force him into an humiliating apology. A real humiliating apology, like "I understand that BLM is a bunch of racist shitheads who are a stain the great American country, and that public display of racist view is intolerable even when those disgusting views take the side of a minority group", not some "Oops I didn't mean to offend you" bullshit.

NFL did not, now they are fucked. Nobody will ever believe some "let's move on and get together" shit now, and some heads need to roll.

The thing is, NFL players are very good at playing football. There would be no issue with firing a few assholes (like Kaepernick and a couple other idiots), but firing 20% or more of the league's talent pool would absolutely make no sense (not to mention an hard to avoid Anti-Trust lawsuit from the players fired for expressing political opinions)

If I were a pool of NFL owner I would :
* Fire Goodell and a signifcant part of the league's staff
* Hire Steve Bannon or one of his appointees as commissioner
* Make sure the NFL matches are watchable on various broadcasting networks, including Fox. No exclusivity for ESPN.
* Make sure the leagues weekly causes are SJW triggering ("Stand against immigration", "Right To Life", "Fight for sex-equality in divorce courts", "Defend the American right to carry", "Stand against Islamic hate speech", "honor the President", ... ). This would make sure that lefties get the message that they can be on the loosingside of the culture war, especially as many NFL fans will LOVE it.
* Have a a constant "behavorial policing" like the one set up in NBA. Really, NFL should look to NBA as an example on thsese issues, especially as NBA draws its athletes from the same talent pool

Of course, that is not what will happen. As one famous philosopher said, SJWADD.

And so Americans, liek the rest of the World, will watch soccer.

Blogger tuberman October 19, 2017 11:28 AM  

"It's too late, baby, it's too late." NFL cannot go back, because lawsuits, and too many Leftist judges on the bench.

So, their path was chosen long ago.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 19, 2017 11:29 AM  

"Green Bay Packers, Inc., has been a publicly owned, non-profit corporation since Aug. 18, 1923, when original articles of incorporation were filed with Wisconsin's secretary of state.

A total of 4,750,937 shares is owned by 112,120 stockholders -- none of whom receives any dividend on the initial investment.

The corporation is governed by a board of directors and a seven-member executive committee."

https://www.answers.com/Q/Who_owns_the_Green_Bay_Packer_team

It occurs to me that a smart lawyer could make the argument that the NFL is failing in its fiduciary duties and therefore putting the Packers continued existence in jeopardy. That a class action lawsuit on behalf of the people who own the Packers against the rest of the owners is not an impossibility.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 19, 2017 11:29 AM  

At first I quit watching to stop supporting the converged league. Now I have completely lost interest. Strange that they couldn't anticipate this reaction from lifelong fans. Looks like it has their attention now, but too little too late.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 19, 2017 11:30 AM  

“There’s no question this had an impact on the business,” said Giants owner John Mara. “But this is an important social issue. And sometimes you have to put the interests of the business behind the interest of issues that are more important than that.”

I certainly remember large businesses saying this about the 2nd amendment, or religious rights, or advocating treating mentally ill people instead of indulging their fantasies about gender.

Wait, no I don't remember businesses ever taking a stand on those issues. Instead, I remember them saying that it was "just business" and they didn't want to "scare customers away".

Liars and cowards are who populate the C suits in America's corporate offices.

Anonymous Bowman October 19, 2017 11:30 AM  

But this is an important social issue

It is. They just chose the wrong side of it.

Anonymous Franklyspeaking October 19, 2017 11:31 AM  

I think the problem is, the "important social issue" that everyone keeps talking about (including the German soccer team apparently), is recognized, quite rightly, by most of (Trump) America, as being completely phony and disingenuous. Black men are not being hunted down on the streets by cops, most shootings are justified, and blacks are killing blacks, whites and EVERYONE like Al-Qaeda could only dream of, throughout the United State.

Also, most Americans, who've ever watched their kid on the playground around blacks, or seen black people in schools, malls, works...pretty much anywhere except TV depictions, realize and assume "where there's smoke, there's fire" on pretty much ALL police/black interactions. Blacks are always committing crimes, "rebelling" against someone, having altercations with everyone from Deli workers to co-workers...in other words, most of America think that while there are "good blacks" and "athletic blacks" (NFL, NBA) to admire, and that "one really cool black co worker, etc etc", most blacks are just a pain in the azz, and this whole Anthem thing is just THAT...coming home to the NFL and their living rooms--the one last place they could be "safe" from BLACAmerika culture. Now it's not. And they've bounced.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 19, 2017 11:33 AM  

If Jerry was talking to the fans, then it was an attempt to con them, because the league isn't backing him up. So, Jerry says "We won't play if we don't stand," the networks stop showing the anthem or talking about who's kneeling, and the fans just assume that means everyone's standing and it's over? Is that how this was supposed to work?

Maybe in 1977, not in 2017.

Anonymous BBGKB October 19, 2017 11:39 AM  

Nothing spells it out better than: One UNCUCKED man could derail all NFL progress. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jerry-jones-lone-rebel-group-nfl-owners-can-thwart-progress-amid-anthem-debate-222735756.html

seen black people in schools, malls, works...pretty much anywhere except TV depictions, realize

Even if you never seen a black in real life Drudge & Worldstar Hiphop would show reality.

OT:Shitlibs might want to rethink single payer healthcare

https://www.infowars.com/uk-health-service-patients-who-smoke-or-are-obese-banned-from-surgery/

Blogger Cail Corishev October 19, 2017 11:41 AM  

the "important social issue" that everyone keeps talking about

I don't watch ESPN or any TV sports news, so here's what I've been wondering. The kneelers say they're trying to draw attention to this important social issue, right? Well, I think they've got about as much attention as it's possible to get, and there's a lot of competition for the news cycle these days. So, have any of them gone on TV and talked about it? I don't mean ranting and slogans, I mean explaining the issue as they see it, and offering solutions if they have any. I'm picturing a round table with Kaepernick and a few other players, perhaps moderated by Jamele Hill (I hear she has free time), kicking the issue around for an hour. I think a lot of Americans would like to hear what they have to say. Have they done anything like that?

Blogger Karl Stodden October 19, 2017 11:44 AM  

Jerry Jones was a proven liar the second his knee touched the ground with his players. Fuck'em.

Blogger tuberman October 19, 2017 11:46 AM  

Up next: The hard-core will go after Jerry Jones full tilt auto! Because....SJWADD, again and again, and again, and again...to infinity and beyond.

Blogger tuberman October 19, 2017 11:54 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:the "important social issue" that everyone keeps talking about

I don't watch ESPN or any TV sports news, so here's what I've been wondering. The kneelers say they're trying to draw attention to this important social issue, right? Well, I think they've got about as much attention as it's possible to get, and there's a lot of competition for the news cycle these days. So, have any of them gone on TV and talked about it? I don't mean ranting and slogans, I mean explaining the issue as they see it, and offering solutions if they have any. I'm picturing a round table with Kaepernick and a few other players, perhaps moderated by Jamele Hill (I hear she has free time), kicking the issue around for an hour. I think a lot of Americans would like to hear what they have to say. Have they done anything like that?


Do you want to give these poor players a headache. They'd have to memorize the correct talking points, and make sure the ignore all contradictory realities, and that requires intellectual coaching, and a SJW monitor.

"Hands up, don't shoot!"

Blogger Doom October 19, 2017 12:00 PM  

I am well pleased with kneeling, and the results. Certain ones should always be given the mic, or matches in their own homes. Now that is entertaining.

BBGKB,

That already happens here. Had a friend on medicare/medicaid with a minor heart valve issue. Doc refused to service it unless he quit smoking. He lived a few more years, has been dead for a year and change now. Healthy enough otherwise, mostly. I wonder if that has infected general medicine yet. Zerocare made that a goal. I am not sure if that is the VA way, I won't let them do a heart transplant... just as likely to lose a foot, liver, or have it put in wrong.

Blogger tuberman October 19, 2017 12:02 PM  

Karl Stodden wrote:Jerry Jones was a proven liar the second his knee touched the ground with his players. Fuck'em.

You don't understand that Jerry has already gone too far in the NFL business direction, and the SJWs in the NFL and most of the Left are already sharpening their knives, considering destroying him.

Blogger Chris Lutz October 19, 2017 12:05 PM  

@7 No all the NFL had to do last year was state we don't allow our employees to make political statements on company time and then fine Kap. It would have ended there. Any blowback by the SJW's would have lasted a couple of weeks and been over. The NFL could have quietly told ESPN, CBS, NBC, and ABC to not cover it or only briefly. You ESPN would tow the line. Otherwise the would end up with the perennial bottom feeders on Monday night. Same for NBC and Sunday night.

Blogger Anchorman October 19, 2017 12:07 PM  

If there's significant agitation to address the "unfairness" of the current collective bargaining agreement, it would hasten the downfall of the NFL.

Is the current CBA unfair? Heck, yeah! I'm not sure how, but, "Heck yeah!"

No CBA, No Peace!

Blogger YIH October 19, 2017 12:09 PM  

As many of us have been saying, Baddell could stop this quickly by fining any player that pulls this stunt (including not coming out for the anthem) just as the NBA has done.
What Baddell is doing is trying to pass the buck to the owners; ''I support the players, but the owners voted to crack down on this nonsense'' as if he needed permission from the owners to do what he already has (as per NFL and NFLPA policies) the power to do.
Ratings are suffering, one of the rare A-list (5-1 Eagles v. 4-2 Panthers) Thursday matchups has shown a drop.
If they can't find a way to get this crap under control they may have to begin refunding the networks like they did due to the '87 strike.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 19, 2017 12:09 PM  

The NFL proxy war is not only providing choke points for Hollywood, it is demoralizing the Obama core athlete-evangelists.

Remember, the NBA publicly castrated its would-be kneelers...and NBA pop is up.

Blogger Chris Lutz October 19, 2017 12:13 PM  

@20 Under government run healthcare, can you imagine how distorted care would be when it is found out that minority group X has worse outcomes than whites? Your doctor is going to tell you, "Sorry, but I have to take care of five X's before I can get to you even though you need more immediate attention."

Blogger Anchorman October 19, 2017 12:14 PM  

Strange that they couldn't anticipate this reaction from lifelong fans.

TBH, if you asked 2007 version of me if I'd stop watching the NFL in 2015, I would say, "No."

Culture shift. With it, my teenage sons don't watch the NFL.

I wonder if the NFL gets numbers on youth viewership. Maybe its the numbers from families with children that plummeted, making them really worried about the longtern numbers.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 19, 2017 12:15 PM  

Ah, the hubris of these owners, like Mara, thinking that their gravy train is ultimately invulnerable and that they can afford to indulge this crap. It's so indicative of our "endless resources" mindset today.

They're going to get a hard lesson on this when their little play toy falls from the heights. And they'll be shocked, I'm sure. Too f'ing bad.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 19, 2017 12:20 PM  

These owners would benefit greatly from someone in their inner circle reading SJWs Always Double Down, because they clearly do not realize that the SJWs will never be content no matter what concessions are made to them.

While that may be true, it's way too late. Apart from Jerry Jones - who will probably end up like Marge Schott of the Cincinnati Reds a couple of decades back - the convergence is total among the owners, who are all cloud people. Cloud people don't take advice from dirt people, they instead make "moral" pronouncements from on high as they sneer at dirt people, rather like Harvey Weinstein was used to doing until late. As someone above noted, the toothpaste cannot be put back. Burn. it. down.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 19, 2017 12:25 PM  

I have never been a must watch NFL guy. I enjoy watching good games but it is no big deal if I do not watch. When the Oilers left Houston I did not care nor I missed them. The hard core football guys I know have become less hard core. They watch football for the sport and to get away from politics and other news. The NFL is in a pickle big time.

Blogger Desdichado October 19, 2017 12:26 PM  

@27: That's the real story that nobody is telling, isn't it? Even if the current crop of fans has a hard time letting go, there's no way that this is getting passed on to the next generation. The Cloud People are going to find that Generation Zyklon is well-named indeed. It may take a few more years. That's often the case when you bake structural flaws into your plan; they don't cause immediate failure. But the failure that they do cause is all the more catastrophic because it's not immediate; they don't realize for a long time how badly they miscalculated.

Blogger SB Wright October 19, 2017 12:26 PM  

A guy I know interacts with the police department from the nearest pro football city. He recently said that one of the cops he works with told him that at the last home game, there were over 20 slots unfilled for off-duty officers to work the game. These would generally be guys standing around for a few hours, getting paid at least $35/hr to do pre- and postgame crowd control, and in between be able to see the game live (while still being paid). He said that due to the protest nonsense, not enough off-duty cops volunteered, so the department re-assigned 20-plus on-duty personnel to make sure there was enough security for the game. This came up because a security guy was talking about calling 911 that same day and not getting a responding officer for over one and a half hours--he said he called several times and the 911 call at one point went through to voice mail. So emergency response times/abilities were degraded as a result of the protests. No idea if this is playing out elsewhere in the country, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. Not a cost to the NFL of their convergence, but a cost of the NFL's convergence nonetheless.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 19, 2017 12:28 PM  

The NFL ain't cool, being lectured to by priggish liberal whites and racially bigoted blacks is not all the enjoyable. I watched the Bears Packers game and during its delay they showed the crowd, old doofus GenXer manboobz jersey wearing gimps, it's a friggin joke.

I want the prig whites and racial bigoted blacks to double down again and I want the GenX manboobz to just come out and put the ball gag in their mouths.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville October 19, 2017 12:30 PM  

Gab,Torba and Nazi larpers = NFL, Goodell and Kneelers. Both destroyed an eager marketplace. NFL is losing millions and Gab hasn't reached half it's monthly funding this month. Meanwhile the culture shift moves on leaving both stranded on sandbars.

Anonymous Mayonnaise October 19, 2017 12:31 PM  

Agree with you, Vox. When I first read Jones' comment, I took it like this:

“If we are disrespecting the flag, then we won’t play. Period. But we're going to play, so obviously we're not disrespecting the flag."

Therefore I was flummoxed when many took it as a proclamation that Jones had essentially said: "The players better stand, or else."

Blogger DonReynolds October 19, 2017 12:36 PM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:Ah, the hubris of these owners, like Mara, thinking that their gravy train is ultimately invulnerable and that they can afford to indulge this crap. It's so indicative of our "endless resources" mindset today.

They're going to get a hard lesson on this when their little play toy falls from the heights. And they'll be shocked, I'm sure. Too f'ing bad.


Duke...I wonder how well the NFL owners remember what happened to Donald Sterling?
Is that what is boiling here in the background, to force the current NFL team owners to bow down to BLM or compel them to sell the team to Negro owners?
Which team has been promised to Oprah?

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 19, 2017 12:39 PM  

Never piss off Donald Trump.

This man knows how to nurse a grudge.

It took him it thirty years to do it but he finally got revenge on the NFL.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 19, 2017 12:45 PM  

The NFL is playing Judge Judy and Executioner again.

Blogger pyrrhus October 19, 2017 12:47 PM  

I'm not sure how good these owners are at math...We are talking about tens of billions going down the drain in the next 10 years if the NFL's audience gets cut in half, or more. And with the Boomers dying off, and Generation Zyklon reaching adulthood, that could easily happen.

Blogger tuberman October 19, 2017 12:51 PM  

Mayonnaise wrote:Agree with you, Vox. When I first read Jones' comment, I took it like this:

“If we are disrespecting the flag, then we won’t play. Period. But we're going to play, so obviously we're not disrespecting the flag."

Therefore I was flummoxed when many took it as a proclamation that Jones had essentially said: "The players better stand, or else."


Yes but, it doesn't make any difference, even unclear statements like this will get him in hot water with SJWs. They are not noted for reading between the lines. The very root of "intelligence" in Greek meant something similar to the ability to read between the lines.

Blogger James Dixon October 19, 2017 12:58 PM  

> ...all the NFL had to do last year was state we don't allow our employees to make political statements on company time and then fine Kap.

Fine, suspend, and then ban if he kept it up. The league had authority to do so, they simply didn't want to. Now they're learning the price.

I'm reasonably sure it's too late at this point. Too many fans have been lost permanently. Even if they changed their policy and issued a blanket apology to the fans they wouldn't believe them.

> ...so the department re-assigned 20-plus on-duty personnel to make sure there was enough security for the game.

The department should tell the NFL that game security is their problem and they won't be doing more than directing traffic and responding to calls in the future.

Blogger RobertT October 19, 2017 1:03 PM  

Start planning another book about convergence in the NFL. If you get it out quickly enough and name it effectively, that could be your biggest best seller. It could make the NYT best seller list. Everybody and their baby duck is getting ready to write this book because it's money in the bank. But you have an advantage because you are the acknowledged SJW expert.

Anonymous Lara Mycroft October 19, 2017 1:08 PM  

Too many fans have been lost permanently.

Don't forget the trickle-down effect. My brother stopped watching, which spurred his son and girlfriend to stop watching, as well.

Anonymous WinstonAddsCorrectly October 19, 2017 1:11 PM  

SJW NFL Always Goes Five Downs

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 19, 2017 1:23 PM  

@41 James Dixon
Fine, suspend, and then ban if he kept it up. The league had authority to do so, they simply didn't want to. Now they're learning the price.

Muh Duhversity! Turns out it's not a freebie.
Who would have expected that?

Anonymous Jack Amok October 19, 2017 1:47 PM  

Colin Kaepernick and the rest already made their money. Somewhere out there is a 10 year old black kid who'll never sign his multi-million dollar NFL contract because today's players helped drive away the fans with incoherent nonsense.

Such thoughtful community leaders, always looking out for their people.


Anonymous BBGKB October 19, 2017 1:54 PM  

I'm picturing a round table with Kaepernick and a few other players, perhaps moderated by Jamele Hill (I hear she has free time), kicking the issue around for an hour. I think a lot of Americans

The nation would be drowning in redpills if it happened.

That already happens here. Had a friend on medicare/medicaid with a minor heart valve issue.-Doom

Smokers couldn't get heart transplants in the US as far back as the 90s. The UK's new plan is for all "non-urgent" surgery, so if they need skin tags cut off (when I found out they put pussies under anesthesia for that I couldn't believe it) they are out of luck.

all the NFL had to do last year was state we don't allow our employees to make political statements on company time and then fine Kap.

Tebow Rule = can't pray
(((Owners))) are pleased
By black on their knees

Blogger Doom October 19, 2017 2:26 PM  

It wasn't a heart transplant he needed, just a bit of valve work. I don't smoke, just don't trust the V.A., or docs in general, and you can't read.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 19, 2017 2:30 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:
I'm not sure how good these owners are at math...We are talking about tens of billions going down the drain in the next 10 years if the NFL's audience gets cut in half, or more. And with the Boomers dying off, and Generation Zyklon reaching adulthood, that could easily happen.

This is the fallacy of dirt-people thinking. They don't know how Clownworld operates. Cloud people never have to worry about losing fake money - because it's fake money and they have access to Aunt Janet's trash-for-cash discount window or to fake money conjured into existence by the Too Big to Jail cloud people - often (((relatives))). There might be a couple of owners like Jerry Jones who have invested real money - and they'll be left holding the bag because the cloud people will all be long gone to exclusive enclaves in places like New Zealand when the whole thing goes off like the mother of all farts.

Anonymous Didas Kalos October 19, 2017 2:31 PM  

May the god of the NFL fall before the Ark.

Anonymous BBGKB October 19, 2017 2:33 PM  

you can't read

I read it. The fact the UK is planning on doing it for all non urgent surgery is the important part.

OT:NC tranny bathrooms settlement. You can go into whatever bathroom you want now.

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Anonymous Sim1776 October 19, 2017 2:41 PM  

Good points but it's well established court precedent that one does not have a right to protest or even discuss politics in the workplace. I would be fired, and quite rightly I may add, for doing what the NFL players are doing.

Blogger Buybuydandavis October 19, 2017 3:13 PM  

John Mara: And sometimes you have to put the interests of the business behind the interest of issues that are more important than that.

I doubt he would feel the same way about abortion protests, or any protest from the Right.

Anonymous Chad October 19, 2017 3:19 PM  

The NBA is far from safe. Reporters are egging on the top stars in the league to pull something. Recently read an interview with John Wall (Washington Wizards guard) where he was just itching to get political. You could practically see the drool between the lines as the reporter detailed his frustration at not being able to act out...yet.

I'm an NBA fan from the Lakers v. Celtics days. But between the tats and Gregg Popovich popping off, my time as fan grows short.

Blogger Buybuydandavis October 19, 2017 3:19 PM  

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:

It occurs to me that a smart lawyer could make the argument that the NFL is failing in its fiduciary duties and therefore putting the Packers continued existence in jeopardy. That a class action lawsuit on behalf of the people who own the Packers against the rest of the owners is not an impossibility.



Good point about the Packers.

But this applies generally to converged corporations, not just to football. C

Corporations should apply this to their management team as well. Sacrifice shareholder value on the altar of your political fetish, get shitcanned.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 19, 2017 3:37 PM  

Deflategate is going to be the event that "killed" the NFL, at least for our hindsight analysis. All of the signs of convergence-caused stupidity were there. They attacked their one of the biggest stars and an all-timer at QB over the inability of everyone, in the initial stage, to have passed college physics.

Witchhunt/coverup for months, losses in Federal Court, though Brady took the 4 Games suspension to just end the matter rather than going to SCOTUS. Brady & Patriots win the Super Bowl on a revenge tour.

When the League Office turned on one of their biggest stars over nothing, you know the rot had gotten deep. Which is probably why that will be the event we all look back on and go "that was the beginning of the end".

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 19, 2017 4:33 PM  

ROLL MOTHER FUCKING TIDE!!!

Deo gratias, I've never cared about the NFL because real football took up too much viewing time already.

Y'all oughta tune in sometime. Some good games coming up, especially if the barners hold it together and the Dawgs can make to the SEC championship.

And who we gonna face for the National Championship? It ain't gonna be no buckeyes, for sure.

(Sorry, VP, I'm drunk on a Thursday.)

OpenID markstoval October 19, 2017 5:59 PM  

A great post and ensuing thread. Thanks to all.

I stopped watching NFL games after the deflate-gate stupidity. Not going back for any reason.

I offer up a plea for a little help. While one can come to understand the meanings of words like "converged" by usage, it would be nice if there was a list of words and meanings used here a lot. Is there one?

If not, at least a concise definition of "converged" other that just "they went totally left wing". (well unless that is the official definition)

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 19, 2017 6:06 PM  

Maybe Mara's setting up a long con: he could use the same line when it comes time to renegotiate player contracts. "Sorry, but sometimes, important social issues come before your salary demands. They're about 50% more important, so that's the pay cut you'll take."

Anonymous WaterBoy October 19, 2017 6:13 PM  

It's really quite simple for the NFL. There are already rules against obscene/disrespectful gestures -- like flipping the bird -- that result in fines or whatever. All they need to do is reclassify certain actions into this category, such as:

- kneeling during the national anthem. Any other time (e.g., "Tebowing") is OK.

- displaying a raised, clenched fist (e.g., "Black Power salute") at any time, as it is disrespectful toward non-blacks. Raising the index finger (as in "Number 1" or "all glory to God") is OK.

- Kneeling on all fours and mock-peeing on the ball after scoring a touchdown is OK, since the shame and embarrassment endured after doing that as a grown man is its own punishment.

Blogger Cetera October 19, 2017 6:21 PM  

markstoval wrote:I offer up a plea for a little help. While one can come to understand the meanings of words like "converged" by usage, it would be nice if there was a list of words and meanings used here a lot. Is there one?

If not, at least a concise definition of "converged" other that just "they went totally left wing". (well unless that is the official definition)


from https://infogalactic.com/info/SJWs_Always_Lie:_Taking_Down_the_Thought_Police

SJW convergence (or Social Justice convergence) describes the process whereby, once a sufficient number of SJWs enter an organization, its focus changes to Social Justice issues to the partial or complete exclusion of its original goals and purpose.

The term was first coined by author and political philosopher Vox Day in this book,[1] where Day writes at length about the theory and the practical impossibility of Social Justice Convergence:

"Even as the institutions have been invaded and coopted in the interests of social justice, they have been rendered unable to fulfill their primary functions. This is the great internal contradiction that the SJWs will never be able to positively resolve, just as the Soviet communists were never able to resolve the contradiction of socialist calculation that brought down their economy and their empire years after Ludwig von Mises first pointed it out. One might call it the Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence; no man can serve two masters, and no institution can effectively serve two different functions. The more an institution converges towards the highest abstract standard of social and distributive justice, the less it is able to perform its primary function."[2]

Anonymous WaterBoy October 19, 2017 6:38 PM  

markstoval @58: "While one can come to understand the meanings of words like "converged" by usage, it would be nice if there was a list of words and meanings used here a lot. Is there one?"

While it doesn't currently include a definition for "converged" (and which Cetera already nicely explained above), there is a list of other locally coined terminology here (and somewhat out-of-date).

Blogger Lovekraft October 19, 2017 6:39 PM  

They are now installing an NFL-funded (read taxpayer and ticket buyer-funded) 'Social Justice Boot Camp'.

So they are really going to push this false narrative for at least three more years and not expect their entire charade to crumble before then?

I think this latest development is some type of leash to put on the players so they stay out of trouble (thus causing everone to look bad/worse), but who doesn't see through this marxist power grab for what it is, is what I'm wondering.

Blogger Lovekraft October 19, 2017 6:42 PM  

@ 56 Looking Glass:

"When the League Office turned on one of their biggest stars over nothing, you know the rot had gotten deep."

I get the similar sense when the networks, during Olympic coverage, sensationalize some athlete's transgressions, sort of like a spiteful ex. To me, it stinks of foreign influence (think Phelps).

OpenID markstoval October 19, 2017 6:45 PM  

@61. Cetera

Much appreciated. I will now ponder why he chose that particular word to describe the situation. (I like it, just wonder why)

Blogger Cetera October 19, 2017 7:16 PM  

I can't speak for Vox, and I guess I never really thought about it in the level that you are talking about, but in my mind it goes like this:

SJWs start getting hired at an organization. SWJs in power always only hire SJWs.

SJW goals != corporate/org goals.

As the number of SJWs increase, they are able to shift/move/converge the org goals into line with the SJW goals. The viewpoints converge, as the only viewpoints that are allowed to be stated are SJW viewpoints. Anyone else is shouted down, tarred and feathered, and run out on a rail. The SJW and org views may initially be far apart, but the SJWs just keep chipping away at it until the views converge, not by them moving at all, but by bending the entirety of the org to their goals.

Blogger Dave October 19, 2017 7:17 PM  

Vox always made it clear he expanded on the concept of convergence originally presented by John Stuart Mill. From Ch.1 of SJWs Always Lie:

Their social justice ideology can be traced back to John Stuart Mill, who conceived a fifth form of justice that was a factual state of affairs versus the four forms of individual conduct that had previously defined the concept. Mill defined this new idea of justice in a form that is still recognizable in the demands of today's SJWs.

“Society should treat all equally well who have deserved equally well of it, that is, who have deserved equally well absolutely. This is the highest abstract standard of social and distributive justice; towards which all institutions, and the efforts of all virtuous citizens should be made in the utmost degree to converge.” —John Stuart Mill,

As economist F.A. Hayek noted in response nearly 40 years ago, this conception of social justice leads inexorably and invariably towards full-fledged socialism. It is not an accident that the early advocates of social justice were invariably of the political far Left. And while Mill can be excused for his inability to foresee where that highest abstract standard would lead, 26 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the intellectual demise of Marxian economics, the SJWs have absolutely no excuse for failing to grasp the undeniable.

But even in Mill's very early formulation, both the totalitarian nature of social justice as well as its orientation towards entryism were apparent. Note that Mill declares that the efforts of the entire virtuous citizenry “should be made” to converge to that goal and that “all institutions” should be directed toward it as well. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? In a time when every church, every elementary school, every Boy Scout troop, every university, every science journal, every corporation, every movie, every television advertisement, and every video game site are preaching the exact same message of diversity, equality, and tolerance, that century-and-a-half-old declaration sounds ominous indeed. Submit or be destroyed. That's the real message underlying the superficial one. Conform to their demands or be cast out. And it is because so many institutions have been made to converge to the social justice cause that sooner or later, no matter what you are or what you do, you will be faced with a choice. Either submit to the SJWs and accept their policing of your every word and thought, or stand against them and endure their attacks.


Day, Vox (2015-08-25). SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police. Castalia House. Kindle Edition.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 19, 2017 7:25 PM  

Damn. You win the award for the most powerful comment. The "cloud people" rhetoric is poignant. It will be used for good (if you don't mind).

Blogger GithYankee October 19, 2017 7:25 PM  

Let's face it, if it was all whites we wouldn't be in this idiotic state. The NFL would make the same or more amount of money with just northern players.
The kneeling stuff just hastened the separation already underway.

Anonymous Humor attempts October 19, 2017 7:42 PM  

The knee is the most respectful human gesture you can make but the criticizm is that they are being disrespectful

Blogger Dirk Manly October 19, 2017 8:04 PM  

"SJW NFL Always Goes Five Downs"


And then still results in a turn-over

Anonymous Truth October 19, 2017 8:26 PM  

Racism is bad dont be racist.

Blogger wreckage October 19, 2017 11:19 PM  

The business exists to provide a service to its customers, you entitled, posturing arseholes. No business exists to serve some other group over and above its customers. Is this the state of American business ethics? You, the NFL and assorted dependents, are not a platform, a powerbase, a mover and/or shaker, a crusader or a guardian of public morality: you are service providers who have been given customer's money, representing irretrievable hours of their lives, in contract to provide them with a service in exchange.

Contractually you are obligated to provide that service as your highest priority, second only to obedience to the law, above your own profitability, and FAR, FAR above your sense of your own prestige, or return their money.

Now shut up and get back to work, you corporate suckholes!

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 21, 2017 1:22 AM  

I believe Vox and others here can probably add more depth to this comment, but as I've been cutting more and more liberal crap out of my life, I am getting so much more accomplished.
No more television.
No more movie theater trips.
No more professional sports attendance. (made an exception when a pro baseball player comped tickets for my family last year).
No more liberal websites, especially news sites and blogs.
No more liberal web comics.
No more liberal books.

Anonymous Crew October 26, 2017 9:57 AM  

Looks like no more life to me.

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