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Tuesday, October 24, 2017

Democrats double down on immigration

Andrew Sullivan foresees the coming Trumpslide in 2020. But one correction: it is not a question of "could", but rather, "will".
I don’t believe it’s disputable at this point that the most potent issue behind the rise of the far right in America and Europe is mass immigration. It’s a core reason that Trump is now president; it’s why the AfD is now the third-biggest party in the German, yes, German, parliament; it’s why Austria’s new chancellor won by co-opting much of the far right’s agenda on immigration; it’s why Britain is attempting (and currently failing) to leave the EU; it’s why Marine Le Pen won a record number of votes for her party in France this spring. A critical moment, in retrospect, came with Angela Merkel’s 2015 decision to import over a million Syrian refugees into the heart of Europe. I’ve no doubt her heart was in the right place, but the political naïveté was stunning. How distant from the lives and views of most people does an elite have to be to see nothing to worry about from such drastic social and cultural change? Michael Brendan Dougherty elegantly explains here the dynamic that followed. There are now new borders and fences going up all over Europe, as a response to Merkel’s blithe misjudgment.

You would think that parties of the center-left would grapple with this existential threat to their political viability. And some have. One reason Britain’s Labour Party has done well in the last couple of years is that it has recognized the legitimacy of the issue. During the Brexit referendum, their leader, Jeremy Corbyn, expressed ambivalence toward remaining in the EU, careful not to lose his working-class base to the Europhobic right, recognizing the fears so many of his own supporters had about the impact of mass immigration on their lives, jobs, and culture. Even someone as leftist as Corbyn chose to be a pragmatist, trying to gain power, rather than a purist who might otherwise condemn his own voters as deplorable. And this is one reason why I have dwindling hopes that the Democratic Party will be able to defeat Trump in 2020. Instead of adjusting to this new reality, and listening to the electorate, the Dems have moved ever farther to the left, and are controlled by ever-radicalizing activists.
You saw it here first. You even saw us wear it here first. None of this should be surprising, because it's all playing out as it has been described here concerning the inevitable division into American and Not-American parties, or if you prefer, White and Not-White parties.

And before anyone is tempted to sperg, the names refer to prioritized interests, not absolute demographics. There will be Indians and Asians and Blacks who will side with the White party out of enlightened self-interest, as I do (I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing), and there will be whites who will side with the Not-White party out of stupidity and a suicidal desire to virtue-signal.

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Blogger Quilp October 24, 2017 8:14 AM  

Who knows Andrew, you declared the gay marriage debate to be "over", won by your arguments personally, before most Americans knew there was actually a serious conversation about it anywhere in the US. You were saved from being proven wrong by Anthony Kennedy (after the American people had rejected gay marriage again and again at the ballot box). Perhaps The elderly Justice or maybe even Roberts will declare immigration a constitutional right and save the left once again.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 24, 2017 8:14 AM  

I really hate these "Are you Left or Far Right Extremist?" plonkers. This kind of crap, for example:

"it’s why the AfD is now the third-biggest party in the German, yes, German, parliament;"

...ought to be transparent even to the idiot who wrote it.

"Oh my God! In a modern democracy there's a party offering an *ALTERNATIVE*!!!!"

In a wiser and saner age, this guy would have been fed to the pigs long ago. Not because anyone disliked him but just because they couldn't tell him apart from a half-rotten potato. In this age he's somehow been mistaken for a public intellectual.


Anonymous VFM #6306 October 24, 2017 8:14 AM  

I’ve no doubt her heart was in the right place...

It is where it has always been: in a jar, on a shelf, in an Open Society.

Anonymous Nick October 24, 2017 8:17 AM  

While non-whites will certainly join up with the "White party", it's doubtful that more than 20-30% of any minority will do so, as current voting patterns have shown. What's important is that the leaders of this party (Trump and his successors) avoid the Cuckservative trap of "appealing to Hispanics, Blacks, Gays,.." etc. at the expense of their base/majority. Appealing to, perhaps explicitly so in a few election cycles, the core interests of white Americans will pay the greatest dividends by far. I think a fair amount of leftists who hate Trump now will vote for him in 2020 once they see the economic success he has stimulated and the ever more radical departure of the Dems away from the middle class.

Anonymous domestic refugee October 24, 2017 8:25 AM  

These Democrats literally can't help themselves. Their temptation to virtue signal is just too strong. They have lost so many seats in the past 10 years, but the party is more openly anti-white than ever. Rather than learning their lessons, they are accelerating INTO their mistakes.

10 and 20 years ago, Democratic leaders knew and proudly SAID that unlimited third world immigration was bad. Now, they worship illegal immigrants as the best possible "Americans."

It's crazy. As spandrell has explained on his blog, status signalling trumps everything. The Progressive religion is now love of El Salvadoran gang members over love of countrymen. And Progressives will sacrifice political power, reason, and even sanity to signal their holy devotion to their new objects of worship. And in their holiness spiral, they have lost their ability to notice and act on signals from their environment. The more they worship illegal immigrants, the fewer people vote for them. And yet they can't stop themselves.

Trumpslide 2020. It would have happened anyway. Trump is a master, he is in his opponents' heads more profoundly than any politician before him, all the hysteria about the fake Russia story and all the screaming about "racist" two-time Obama voters who went for Trump already destroyed the Democrats' hopes. All the efforts to impeach Trump to avenge Hillary. The Dems will not win those independents back any time soon.

But the immigration issue seals the deal. The people want strong borders. And the Democrats are now full-throated in their opposition to any borders at all. RIP Dems.

Blogger Nate October 24, 2017 8:26 AM  

its a fascinating and entertaining pattern.

1) Trump says something that isn't inflammatory to Americans but is inflammatory to coastal elite.

2) Coastal Elite catch the vapors and assume that Americans have as well. (they are wrong because they don't actually know any Americans)

3) Coastal Elite respond to Trump with strong way that they think Americans will agree with.

4) Americans are disgusted by the Coastal Elite response and now hate them even more.

rinse and repeat.

Blogger Jan Minář October 24, 2017 8:30 AM  

Part of the German curriculum is an intense brainwashing re: war guilt at around age 7. This was instituted by the occupating powers after the war to prevent yet another re-run, and has so far been very effective. For them to overcome this conditioning in such large numbers is jarring.

Blogger James Dixon October 24, 2017 8:33 AM  

> (I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing)

Only someone who has never had to deal with outdoor plumbing in sub-zero weather could not be.

Blogger Dire Badger October 24, 2017 8:33 AM  

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Blogger Desdichado October 24, 2017 8:34 AM  

@2, @5: the funny thing to me about the article was the blatant dishonesty displayed immediately below the part quoted. The whole, "Democrats are actually tough on immigration, but they just 'publicly signal' the opposite!" line is so incredibly stupid, and so incredibly, shockingly untrue that even as cynical as I've become, I'm amazed that a so-called professional could attempt to say something that shamelessly, knowing as he does that nobody will believe it, even in his own camp.

Blogger FALPhil October 24, 2017 8:39 AM  

Only someone who has never had to deal with outdoor plumbing in sub-zero weather could not be.

Not true. Down South, we have yellow jackets. That's plenty of reason to support indoor plumbing.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 24, 2017 8:43 AM  

"And before anyone is tempted to sperg, the names refer to prioritized interests, not absolute demographics. There will be Indians and Asians and Blacks who will side with the White party out of enlightened self-interest, as I do (I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing), and there will be whites who will side with the Not-White party out of stupidity and a suicidal desire to virtue-signal."


Once again the sophistry of the enemy is immediately curtailed by expertly phrased logic.
These arguments are being saved for future use, because VD phrases these ideas so succinctly and accurately that they are impregnable.
IKAGO is totally blocked by those few sentences. Makes me miss Paul Kersey's blog, too. Though obviously VP is king.
Is VD ever wrong?

Thank God for that in this instance. A new set of leftist freakout videos in 2020 is a definite motivator to press on in life. The ones in 2016 were blissful

Blogger The Observer October 24, 2017 8:45 AM  

There will be Indians and Asians and Blacks who will side with the White party out of enlightened self-interest, as I do (I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing)

Or to put it from the Chinese perspective: if the white devils are gone, whose products are we going to make cheap knockoffs of?

Even the Ottomans recognised the value of white people and made them Janissaries.

Part of the German curriculum is an intense brainwashing re: war guilt at around age 7. This was instituted by the occupating powers after the war to prevent yet another re-run, and has so far been very effective. For them to overcome this conditioning in such large numbers is jarring.

I think there is a saying: "Blood will out."

These Democrats literally can't help themselves. Their temptation to virtue signal is just too strong. They have lost so many seats in the past 10 years, but the party is more openly anti-white than ever. Rather than learning their lessons, they are accelerating INTO their mistakes.

It's what's known as a holiness spiral in some circles, known more commonly as "the revolution eats its own." If not stopped by one kind of force or another, it ends up with something akin to the Khemer Rouge killing everyone wearing spectacles.

Anonymous Lami October 24, 2017 8:46 AM  

I hate outhouses at any temperature.

Blogger Dire Badger October 24, 2017 8:46 AM  

I am wondering if possibly the immigration issue is NOT the heart of the rise of the far right in America.

However, unlike fascist feminism, immigration is something you are PUBLICLY permitted to be enraged about.

But you would be a fool to ignore the huge number of men who are sick of being robbed, chided, hated, abused, disemployed, discarded, and ignored as a hugely important part of the far right.

If anything, Trump's 'grab them by the pussy' comment might have been the key that turned a HUGE bloc of male voters his way during the election. I know his complete lack of an apology (well, that and not wanting to start a war with Putin) was what won him MY vote.

But, you know, you just cannot come out and SAY "I think we need to take the vote away from women because they have proved they are too stupid to use it responsibly". "Grab 'em by the pussy" was damned close to admitting that they are slaves to their own hypergamy and most people knew it.


As long as Trump keeps acting like a Man, and an American first, I am utterly confident that men will keep him in the white house... even if he gets blocked on the wall.

Anonymous DissidentRight October 24, 2017 8:47 AM  

So looking forward to sensible Dems being eaten by their own.

Anonymous Mike Rock October 24, 2017 8:48 AM  

FALPhil, being bit on the 'cheek' by a Black Widow spider is a strong argument as well!!

Anonymous domestic refugee October 24, 2017 8:51 AM  

A great example of all this was Hillary's refusal to campaign in Michigan and Wisconsin. She was too busy seeing the musical Hamilton in Manhattan...three times.

Some post-mortems claim that she just took those states for granted. But in fact her hubby bubba was urging her to go talk to the white working class. But she couldn't. White people had become officially deplorable to her campaign. Industrial labor had become officially deplorable to her campaign. She thought she could win just with multicultural Brooklyn baristas.

Democratic leaders now throw around the phrase "white men" as a clear insult. Which is not the best technique for winning hearts and minds!

The Democratic Party mythology holds that white men are evil exploiters and women of color are actually the best computer programmers, petroleum engineers, and entrepreneurs. The Democratic Party mythology no longer acknowledges that white male employed married homeowners form a big part of the bedrock of society. By turning their backs on the people who make America run, the Democrats are turning their backs on America itself.

They are worshipping people who are, statistically speaking, imaginary. The Dems seriously think they can win without white men. By appealing to people in their imagination: the tens of millions of black female internet entrepreneurs and the tens of millions of Somali factory owners and the tens of millions of reformed MS-13 gang members now happily paying taxes.

Anonymous Ledfordbot October 24, 2017 8:52 AM  

Pragmatic liberals, Democrats, socialists, etc. are rhetorically defenseless against any identitarian attack on the left flank.

It's a good time to be an Ivy League person of color, as Soros and friends will be combing the halls for candidates whose DNA can deflect the slings and arrows of isms and phobias.

Blogger James Dixon October 24, 2017 8:52 AM  

> Not true. Down South, we have yellow jackets. That's plenty of reason to support indoor plumbing.

Your yellow jackets must not be as smart as ours. Ours find ways to get inside.

> FALPhil, being bit on the 'cheek' by a Black Widow spider is a strong argument as well!!

See above.

Anonymous Athor Pel October 24, 2017 8:52 AM  

"7. Blogger Jan Minář October 24, 2017 8:30 AM
Part of the German curriculum is an intense brainwashing re: war guilt at around age 7. This was instituted by the occupating powers after the war to prevent yet another re-run, and has so far been very effective. For them to overcome this conditioning in such large numbers is jarring.
"



1) The eye witnesses to war are dying off.
2) Official government lies are easily exposed by proximity to Muslims.

Nobody believable harping on how horrible the war was coupled with failing faith in authority is a pretty potent combination.

When telling the truth gets you in trouble it becomes more and more obvious that the enforcers for the lie are your enemy.

For the average person we've gone from trust in authority to a misguided authority to an active enemy authority all in one generation. If you've read some history you know what comes next.

Blogger Chris Lutz October 24, 2017 8:56 AM  

Jan Minář wrote:Part of the German curriculum is an intense brainwashing re: war guilt at around age 7. This was instituted by the occupating powers after the war to prevent yet another re-run, and has so far been very effective. For them to overcome this conditioning in such large numbers is jarring.

I don't think it's working anymore. I had a chance to be around some German youth this summer, and from what I heard it's backfiring. The youth have done nothing bad to the Jews and are wondering why their history consists only of, as one kid said, "Hitler and the Holocaust." It is why you are seeing the push to make antisemitism and German war mongering a trait throughout its history. As another kid said, "Why are we blamed for WWI when the Austrian's started it?" Like a parent who constantly berates their kids over one thing, the kids are starting to rebel.

Anonymous Ledfordbot October 24, 2017 9:02 AM  

@Dire Badger

"But you would be a fool to ignore the huge number of men who are sick of being robbed, chided, hated, abused, disemployed, discarded, and ignored as a hugely important part of the far right."

I encourage everyone to check out the curious case of Norman Finkelstein, left-wing defender of the Palestinians, who is currently facing charges for annoying the vampiric lawyers who family court-raped his friend in an acrimonious divorce. Finkelstein's problem is that, right or wrong, he is a fundamentally honest man, and so runs afoul of the feminine imperative.

Details at his website. The lawyers are Chetkof and Burger:
http://normanfinkelstein.com/

Blogger ZhukovG October 24, 2017 9:02 AM  

@Athor Pel: The Internet has played a huge part as well.

Blogger James Dixon October 24, 2017 9:06 AM  

Hmm. The post didn't take? Let's try again.

Seemingly apropos: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5007127/Border-wall-prototypes-competition-fulfill-Trump.html

Blogger Student in Blue October 24, 2017 9:07 AM  

What!? There are leftists who are... nationalists?!

I was told that nationalism is strictly right-wing! Egads, maybe National Socialists aren't inherently right-wing!

Call the press! Call Richard Spencer! Wait, that might be redundant...

Anonymous Trevor who was Trump October 24, 2017 9:15 AM  

I don't think it will happen. Trump is already old and four years as President will not help his longevity. For that reason alone I see him choosing not to run. We don't need another President with dementia. Also the numbers are just too close. The last election was decided by Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pa. Those went Trump by a combined total of like 150,000.

Anything could change in the next three years though. A lot also depends on who the Dems run. If it's someone like Warren or Sanders, Trump could win in a landslide.

Blogger FALPhil October 24, 2017 9:20 AM  

The Observer wrote:It's what's known as a holiness spiral in some circles, known more commonly as "the revolution eats its own."

I call it pseudo-puritanism, based on the geographic origins and de-evolution of puritanism into do-goodism.

If not stopped by one kind of force or another, it ends up with something akin to the Khemer[sic] Rouge killing everyone wearing spectacles.

Or beating doctors to death because their stethoscopes enable them as vampires.

Blogger Student in Blue October 24, 2017 9:22 AM  

@27. Trevor who was Trump

There's a yuge difference between an outsider running, and an incumbent running.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 24, 2017 9:31 AM  

Enlightened self-interest will help many non-whites be pro-American, yes, but it's still a numbers game.

Audacious Epigone put up a nice post about what percentage of different races/ethnicities residing in the USA are non-citizens. https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/10/welcome-to-hotel-babylonia.html

MG put up a fantastic review of 19th and early 20th century mass immigration to the USA, the wrenching upheaval that occurred, and compared it to today's vastly larger, phenomenally more culturally alien version.
https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2017/10/governments-are-us.html

You read these two together and must know one thing:

The vast majority of them have to go back (home.)
The USA is NOT THEIR HOME and if they try to make it so, a war of unprecedented violence will result when this long, debt-fueled boom finally ends, and the word "indiscriminate" will likely be central to it.

"But I'm on your side" will be the last words of a lot of people.

Blogger James October 24, 2017 9:31 AM  

VFM #6306 wrote:I’ve no doubt her heart was in the right place...

It is where it has always been: in a jar, on a shelf, in an Open Society.


Actually, it is in a jar, on a shelf, and is labeled Abbey someone. Oh, yeah! Abbey Normal.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 24, 2017 9:33 AM  

@27 If Trump doesn't run, someone further to the Right is actually more likely than the Coalition of the Fringes candidate making it to the Oval Office.

I think this is doubly true if the debt bubble has finally burst for real in the next three years.

Anonymous Panzer Man October 24, 2017 9:34 AM  

Merkel's heart won't be in the right place until it's been given the Aztec treatment by a priest of Huitzilopochtli.

Blogger wreckage October 24, 2017 9:35 AM  

@27, Trump clearly loves the pressure cooker, and he'll be in a much stronger position to run as incumbent than as outsider. He arguable won as an outsider just on name recognition (and a tremendously energetic campaign), personally I'd guess he's a lock-in for a second term, barring meteors.

Blogger Johnny October 24, 2017 9:41 AM  

Trevor who was Trump wrote:Trump is already old and four years as President will not help his longevity.

Just going by what I see on TV, Trump appears to be holding up quite well. And while some men wear down in high public office, it seems to extend the life of others.

Otherwise I regard the next election to be too soon to call, but barring unusual event, I expect Trump to be in the thick of it.

Anonymous domestic refugee October 24, 2017 9:42 AM  

Also @27...I think you are mistaken. Trump is plenty young and vital. Hot wives will do that for you. As will money and fame. Guys like him live to be 100. He works hard (work broadly defined) and doesn't drink.

But you're right that Trump choosing not to run is the main scenario in which he doesn't win.

No-one can beat him now. He won as a reality tv joke/racist/sexist/birther. While his enemies controlled all the levers for voter fraud. He can certainly win as incumbent President.

Even Hillary dead-enders think about Trump all day every day. He is truly a God Emperor, even to his opponents. Never has an American politician so thoroughly occupied people's minds.

It reminds me of something a radio celeb was told---you can't be truly famous until you have haters, detractors, enemies. Howard Stern is famous not just because his fans love him. But because he got under the skin of those who didn't love him.

When they get in the voting booth in 2020, even liberals will vote for Trump. The show must go on. #theresistance is their identity now.

Can you think of a single Democrat who could even do as well as hated Hillary? I can't. Could Biden beat Trump now? No effing way. I don't even think Obama could, and he's not allowed.

Seriously, think of a single possibility. There are none. Trump is ascendant, as is Trumpism. Heck, Ivanka or Don Jr. could easily beat any Democrat I can think of.

As VD says, the alt-right is inevitable. Because it's the only reality-based political movement.

And, as this post points out, the Democrats have been doubling down on the things that lost them the last election. They called all the independents who voted for Obama then Trump "stupid racists" and "Russian dupes." Those independents won't reward those insults (and disenfranchisement attempts) by voting for Dems. And now the official Democratic Party policy is open borders forever. At a time when heritage America is waking up to the existential threat of mass immigration.

The deck is stacked against the Democratic Party even without taking individual candidates into account. But once you consider Trump and the absolute dearth of any Dem who could even credibly RUN against him, much less win, you see the future.

Go ahead, name a single Democrat who you think has a chance against Trump. Can't do it, can you?

Blogger Johnny October 24, 2017 9:45 AM  

>> war guilt at around age 7.
In the stock market they call it the whip saw when an investor buys at a high and sells at a low, because like the whip saw it cuts in both directions. That is what the Germans are doing to themselves right now. First they got too elitist and exclusive under Hitler and damaged themselves, and now they are too inclusive and are taking damage in the other direction.

My namesake ancestor was German and I tend to think of myself as German, and it kills me watching what they are doing to themselves. One stupid business, the Hitler period, can be an anomaly, but if you do it over and over again it becomes an identifiable characteristic.

Blogger wreckage October 24, 2017 9:45 AM  

@30, @32, precisely why Trump is needed. The Wall will produce massive changes in the psychological landscape, the world as it is imagined to be. Not all towards reality, but all harmonious with a viable future more aligned with reality.

It will be identified in future as a turning point. Doubtless when minor ethnic violence occurs, it will be blamed on the wall by the political-left caste, but the commoners will hold that the wall saved America. There's going to be a big, long term division in the national myth, comparable to that regarding the name Cromwell in the UK.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 24, 2017 9:45 AM  

Well if the left is serious about shutting down "white savior" porn for the idiots who signal such virtue I would say the D party is in trouble, real trouble.

Next thing you know alt-right shitlords will be on the net taking "white savior" prog speak into hyperbolic parody while at the same time memeing it to death.

Think of that lard ass Sally Struthers in the cannibal's pot.

Blogger Johnny October 24, 2017 9:47 AM  

>>Even the Ottomans recognized the value of white people and made them Janissaries.

Just for the record, the favored race for warriors was the Turkish people. Whites were apparently in second place and were used because they were easily available. Every "white" family had to give up a son to extended military service. Blacks also got used a little in Arabia, but were not highly valued and I don't think they turned up in the Janissaries. I suspect the real reason for using ethnic minorities in the military was reliability. They lacked the political connections needed to put their own new potentate in power.

Anonymous Mayonnaise October 24, 2017 9:48 AM  

The Democratic Party mythology holds that white men are evil exploiters and women of color are actually the best computer programmers, petroleum engineers, and entrepreneurs.

I've noted this here before: In any courtroom drama, the odds are one in three that the judge will be a wise, eye-rolling black woman. And, because she is sage and flawless, her character will be boring.

The white judges, on the other hand, will be irascible, stodgy, and biased. In other words: interesting.

The left LOVES to put blacks in roles where they can talk down to whites and reduce them to cloddish idiots whose only response is a sheepish "My apologies, your honor."

F**king ridiculous.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) October 24, 2017 9:51 AM  

I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing

Stop appropriating white culture

Blogger pdwalker October 24, 2017 9:53 AM  

Only someone who hasn't dealt with a squat hole in a 2nd tier Chinese city could not be.

Blogger Johnny October 24, 2017 9:54 AM  

>>Yes, but most people do not look to the NFL for Moral Guidance.

There are too kinds of moral guidance, one is teaching and the there is simply observing other people in your group and picking up on how they act. The tendency of many youths to admire athletes makes them moral guides whether the athletes or the parents want it to happen. That is why this whole disrespecting the national anthem is playing out as important. We want the people we admire to act in an admirable way. Same with this crap in Hollywood. We want to admire them and get upset when we can't by their conduct.

Anonymous Grayman October 24, 2017 10:10 AM  

@32 DC

The vast majority of them have to go back (home.)
The USA is NOT THEIR HOME and if they try to make it so, a war of unprecedented violence will result when this long, debt-fueled boom finally ends, and the word "indiscriminate" will likely be central to it.


They cant go home... their spots have already been taken by 5 more babies being popped out into poverty in their homelands. Even if they were willing to go home, no nation will willingly take them back, it would be suicidal.
In terms of Europe consider that Africa is on track to double its population in the next 16 years or so:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/10/22/20171022_depop16.png


In terms of the US, Mexico and much of Latin America are on track to continue their growth rates for another 10+ years. The immigration pressure wont stop. (of course those growth rates assume a crash hasn't happened).

Now lets take an honest look at things in the US. There are estimated to be 57 million Hispanics in the US now. European descendant whites (not the "whites" as defined by Gov)are about 65% of the US population of 325 million, implying that either part of the US is turned into a new nation for "minorities" or about 100 million non-americans have to go.

Lets be honest, 100 million people are not being removed from the nation in a matter of years, even if it was entirely voluntary. The death tolls that are going to be involved make WWII look like a minor conflict. And this is just North America. A best case scenario would probably be a 10:1 death ratio such that about 10 million Americans are lost in the process of expelling the 100 million "others".

Europe has somewhere between 25 to 35 million immigrants in place at this point. Europe will be facing battles on the same scale as WWII but effectively being "guerilla forces" instead of an organized army. All while the massive influx from Africa will still be knocking on the door.

If the west is to survive, there is no choice in this, the dusky hordes must be expelled as they are simply not capable of functioning in an advanced western (or eastern for that matter) society when the minimum IQ needed to have a hope of integrating is 85, and anything below 90 is likely to be heavily automated removing the ability to be an effective member of society.

Anonymous Grayman October 24, 2017 10:13 AM  

I suppose the good thing is that if this kicks off as it appears to be setting up, It should generate selective pressure for out-grouping, strategic, aggressive westerners.

Blogger James Dixon October 24, 2017 10:16 AM  

> If it's someone like Warren or Sanders, Trump could win in a landslide.

And when you consider that Warren or Sanders are their best acceptable options...

Yeah, someone like Manchin or a handful of other more mainstream Democrats could probably give Trump a run for his money in the heartland, but they have no chance in NY and CA, so they'll never get the nomination. Their only real hope is a complete outsider (say, Mark Cuban, though he's probably a bad example).

Anonymous Grayman October 24, 2017 10:23 AM  

DC

To put things into perspective the global WWII death toll was about 70 million with about 2/3 of that being civilian deaths including famine and disease. We are talking about seeing the global death toll of WWII but in just North America alone.

Anonymous BBGKB October 24, 2017 10:24 AM  

While non-whites will certainly join up with the "White party", it's doubtful that more than 20-30% of any minority will do so

They will show up to raid the fridge at the party, & maybe being the special guest, but I don't see them voting against the "gibs me dat"

They have lost so many seats in the past 10 years, but the party is more openly anti-white than ever

Actually it's a jewish wetback leader who is purging mostly black, Hispanic, and/or gay power players from DNC

Trump is a master, he is in his opponents' heads more profoundly than any politician

CNN now blurs the likes and retweets of TRUMP when it posts his tweets.

re-run, and has so far been very effective. For them to overcome this conditioning in such large numbers is jarring.

Actually the equality message fails when people encounter dieversecity in real life.

"Democrats are actually tough on immigration, but they just 'publicly signal' the opposite!" line is so incredibly stupid, and so incredibly, shockingly untrue that even as cynical as I've become

They are incredibly tough just ask Elian Gonzales, the German Homeschooling family or the blond Cambridge graduate who speaks 5 languages + married a US marine. Don't let their acceptance of MS-13 fool you.
https://conservative-daily.com/2014/07/09/border-patrol-arrests-veterans-wife/
https://theintercept.com/2017/10/20/democratic-party-drama-puts-deputy-chair-keith-ellison-in-a-tough-spot/

Makes me miss Paul Kersey's blog, too.

He is back with all his archives http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

Only someone who hasn't dealt with a squat hole in a 2nd tier Chinese city could not be.

Actually the squat hole + shower combo wouldn't be a bad place you could sh1t shower & shave if it had a people with enough commonweal to simply hose it down when they are done.

Blogger Johnny October 24, 2017 10:24 AM  

@45. Grayman
>>Africa is on track to double its population in the next 16 years or so:...

WAITING FOR MALTHUS

Malthus and his theory has been with us right along. Europe avoided the problem with wars and plagues, and a cultural environment that was harsh enough that it avoided excess reproduction. The non self supporting women who popped out a kid was not treated kindly, and custom took care of most of the rest.

But now that we are morally committed to keeping everybody everywhere alive, Malthus and his theory sure looks like it is going to hit big time. Any disruption in European and American prosperity, and the funding of black population expansion will come to a sudden and brutal end. The most likely outcome will be the biggest die off the world has ever seen.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 24, 2017 10:24 AM  

Grayman wrote:They cant go home... their spots have already been taken by 5 more babies being popped out into poverty in their homelands. Even if they were willing to go home, no nation will willingly take them back, it would be suicidal.

So what? That's not America's problem. They don't have to go home, but they have to go elsewhere. It's long past last call - it's closing time.

Grayman wrote:Lets be honest, 100 million people are not being removed from the nation in a matter of years, even if it was entirely voluntary. The death tolls that are going to be involved make WWII look like a minor conflict. And this is just North America. A best case scenario would probably be a 10:1 death ratio such that about 10 million Americans are lost in the process of expelling the 100 million "others".

The sooner we start, the easier it will be. The only option that is absolutely unavailable is ``do nothing.''

Blogger James Dixon October 24, 2017 10:26 AM  

> In terms of Europe consider that Africa is on track to double its population in the next 16 years or so:

Only if we keep feeding them. They can't feed he population they have now.

> Lets be honest, 100 million people are not being removed from the nation in a matter of years, even if it was entirely voluntary.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

And he wasn't urging people to leave voluntarily. It can be done, one way or the other.

> The death tolls that are going to be involved make WWII look like a minor conflict.

Our last civil war killed roughly 2% of the population. If war comes, it will be worse this time.

Anonymous Mayonnaise October 24, 2017 10:27 AM  

@44 Johnny said: We want to admire them and get upset when we can't by their conduct.

I get what you're saying, but for me this has nothing to do with wanting to admire athletes. It has everything to do with a bunch of blacks on a national stage who are essentially saying, "F**k you, whitey" ... and getting away with it.

Anonymous 360 October 24, 2017 10:27 AM  

And before anyone is tempted to sperg, the names refer to prioritized interests, not absolute demographics.

Somebody has been reading Stefan's Art of the Argument.

Blogger Student in Blue October 24, 2017 10:29 AM  

@54. 360

Anticipating (and preemptively rebutting) arguments is a long-understood essential part of persuasion.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 24, 2017 10:29 AM  

Ours find ways to get inside.

The location of the bite might be different indoors or out.
About a third of black widow bites in the 19th Century were men using outhouses.

Anonymous Grayman October 24, 2017 10:35 AM  

@51 @52

I'm not suggesting it cant or wont be done, simply putting some rough numbers to it. It WILL be done regardless of what any of us think about it.

One interesting aspect is that with us going into a cooling period, the late 2020's look like things could get VERY chilly in the northern half of the US in the winters, in conjunction with realistic timing having hot action kicking off in the mid to late 2020's, and you could have a massive death toll in 1 winter alone if infrastructure were attacked in a sever cold spell.

If it was well planned and executed you could potentially make Mao look like a rank amateur and rack up 20 to 40 million in 1 winter.

With such high death tolls cooing down the barrel and the fact that antibiotics are rapidly losing effectiveness, disease and basic sanitation will literally become life and death.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 24, 2017 10:36 AM  

so classic that while MSNBC was having the vapors while showing the prototypes of the wall, illegals can be seen in the background climbing and scurrying over the border.

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Blogger dc.sunsets October 24, 2017 10:46 AM  

@52 The US feeding much of the world now is a function of two things:
1. Industrial agriculture that is destroying the Gulf of Mexico (and to some extent, the Great Lakes) via fertilizer run-off and
2. The debt bubble that allows Congress to disguise the process of issuing IOU's and handing the swag to Agricultural Industrial Corporations by calling it "foreign aid." (US Treasury gives US$ to foreigners who can only spend US$ with US corporations.)

As with every other certified public pathology today, peel it enough and find it's a money-laundering scheme fueled by debt.

There isn't any card in this vast house of them that won't fall when interest rates rise far enough to choke off borrowing.

Blogger SirGroggy October 24, 2017 10:47 AM  

Sullivan writes of Merkel: I’ve no doubt her heart was in the right place, but the political naïveté was stunning.

This is the crux of where we can never agree.

Her heart was in the wrong place because her duty is to her country and her nation, her people. Her heart should be with them. Secondarily it should be with the closest cousins of her people, the Europeans, and with her people's allies in the West.

Instead of her heart being in the right place, her heart is made up to play God and remake Germany in the image of the leftist God of Diversity. I have no doubt that her heart is in exactly the wrong place.

If Sullivan and those of his ilk have no doubt that Merkel's heart is in the right place, then his morals are so irreconcilable with ours that there can only be a power struggle between the two sides. There can be no agreement on this - the biggest issue of our time.

Blogger SirGroggy October 24, 2017 10:57 AM  

There will be Indians and Asians and Blacks who will side with the White party out of enlightened self-interest, as I do (I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing), and there will be whites who will side with the Not-White party out of stupidity and a suicidal desire to virtue-signal.

Currently, there exists a large faction, the Hypocrites, who strike a public stance of leftist policies and virtue-signalling, whilst simultaneously striving to live the most purely H'white place they can and staying as far away from the Vibrancy as humanly possible.

One hopes that the day will come, when there is a reckoning, in which the Hypocrite faction will be broken up and made to lie in the bed they have made, or change their tune.

Anonymous TR October 24, 2017 10:58 AM  

And that is where you give yourself away, VD.

The white party is not even really white.

You have to hold that position because that is the only way you get a seat at the table. You're undermining the cause.

Blogger kurt9 October 24, 2017 11:00 AM  

I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing.

Me too.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 24, 2017 11:00 AM  

@59, I aver that the entire Leftist "charitable" impulse is a toxic mix of "there, but for the grace of God go I" plus (paradoxically) atheism.

Back when Christianity mattered, people largely attributed poverty to poor choices, i.e., a poverty of the soul. Whether it was "God's Plan" or the work of Satan in guiding people to harm themselves, "normal people" didn't see themselves all that much in the faces of poverty-stricken people.

Once Christianity waned, Leftism learned to blame poverty on factors people couldn't control. This meant that if you were well-off, it wasn't because you did the right things, it was an accident of fate...you didn't own your prosperity.

This makes people open to endless exhortations to "ameliorate the hardships" of others because they're afraid that next year it might be them in hardship. This is a huge lie. Unless one thinks his DNA [coding for higher intelligence, higher talent, higher conscientiousness, patience (deferred gratification), lower propensity to crime, etc.] is an accident of fate (which as HBD gains traction, is the Left's latest claim), the reality is that poverty usually makes SENSE. Most attempts to directly ameliorate it actually make it WORSE. Pay unwed mothers for having kids, you GET MORE OF THEM! Pay people for being poor, get more poor people! Open the borders to "save" the world's wretched, watch them FLOOD into your back yard, crowd your schools, rape your daughters, organize criminal syndicates across your lands.

Altruism is a lie. It's generating "goodfeelz" in oneself. But without the moral attribution of good vs bad (as in wealth vs poverty, order vs chaos) of Christian theology, all you have left is a world that mimics a productive factory being given over to equal-shares ownership by its workers. In no time the factory closes because without the borders of hierarchy of managerial acumen and ownership coming from a history of successful managerial actions, chaos is the certain outcome.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 24, 2017 11:06 AM  

My point: The nice things EVERYONE loves about Western nations cannot exist if they are overrun by people with NO HISTORY of creating the same conditions.

But that has never stopped the idiots from taking the factory from its rightful owners (the people who BUILT IT and their heirs) and handing control of it to the "workers." In Argentina as everywhere, this has a perfect record of destroying the factory, impoverishing everyone involved and eliminating the availability of what was once produced.

Obama was infamous for saying, "You didn't build that." This sentiment is a perfect encapsulation of Leftism's promise to destroy the "factory" that built America's high standard of living. Antifa says, "punch an Nazi?" The proper grasp should be "drown an Antifa."

Anonymous Mayonnaise October 24, 2017 11:08 AM  

The white party is not even really white.

And the black party is not even really black.

Need proof? Barack Obama.

Anonymous Crew October 24, 2017 11:08 AM  

Lets be honest, 100 million people are not being removed from the nation in a matter of years, even if it was entirely voluntary. The death tolls that are going to be involved make WWII look like a minor conflict.

You underestimate the ingenuity of the awakened Saxon!

Anonymous franklinjennings October 24, 2017 11:12 AM  

And red wasps, and diamond backs, and nutria...

I know from my own childhood a lot of critters like the warmth of an outhouse. Keep a fly swat and a claw hammer handy, or you'll be running across the yard with your breeches around your ankles at some point.

Anonymous Sam the Man October 24, 2017 11:19 AM  

Observing from the east coast it seems to me that most minorities can be integrated on some level over a period of time, if you essentially remove additional immigration and remove the most non-integratable pool of non-productive peasant-Amerindian , which is around 11 to 12 million (rough guess). That cane be done without great cruelty.

Here is here it gets bad, but as much as I deplore this, I see it coming:

The a good percentage of the black population ( of around 45 to 48 million) are at this point openly hostile to America in a way I have never seen, or talking to folks whose families history goes back 80 years, has been since the 1920s. Reading further the only possible comparison would be the 1870s, when a population of the children of freed slaves went kind of wild, but that was more or less restricted to the south. The current undercurrent, and it really is no longer an undercurrent, if the blacks want to be on top, and as they cannot even keep basic services running have no path to that. They are angry and hostile to civilization. Rather than face their incompetence, they have erected a false narrative that all their problems are racism, and allowed the ugliest aspects of their racial character to become visible for all to see. They have boxed themselves into a corner, so to speak, they have nothing left but a form of insurrection against civilization.

Asians, Hispanics and most whites now see this. Dealing with that issues is one way all the other residents of this nation might be united. A long lasting solution to this problem is not going to be easy, no matter what will be tried. But it is likely the easiest way to undo the current societal disaster the elites have created with social engineering since the great society.

Blogger Student in Blue October 24, 2017 11:21 AM  

@64. TR

You're kinda really dumb, aren't you?

You should probably re-read the last paragraph.

Also, Vox doesn't care about "having a seat" in an American political party because... he doesn't live in America.

That'd be like saying that you clearly care deeply about "having a seat" in the AfD.

Blogger Silly but True October 24, 2017 11:23 AM  

With ISIS on the ropes and Russia having blocked tge U.S.' attempt to Libyatize Syria into a smoldering hellhole of terrorism, when will the refugees be returning home?

Or was this Merkel's plan all along to grow the new Reich: exploit a crisis to steal a country's human resources? Hitler's got nothing on her.

Blogger VD October 24, 2017 11:23 AM  

You have to hold that position because that is the only way you get a seat at the table. You're undermining the cause.

I don't have to do anything of the kind. The political and the ideological are not the personal for some of us. Clearly you can't even understand that.

Blogger Charles Martel October 24, 2017 11:24 AM  

"...it’s why Austria’s new chancellor won by co-opting much of the far right’s agenda on immigration."

Kurz is a Rothschild operative.

"There will be Indians and Asians and Blacks who will side with the White party out of enlightened self-interest, as I do (I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing), and there will be whites who will side with the Not-White party out of stupidity and a suicidal desire to virtue-signal."

All of this is missing the central, critical issue:

IT'S THE JEWS, STUPID!

Blogger Nate October 24, 2017 11:27 AM  

"You have to hold that position because that is the only way you get a seat at the table. You're undermining the cause."

retard gotta retard.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 24, 2017 11:31 AM  

There will always be a non trivial percentage of whites who do not want to appear racist even to themselves. Giving them an out like an appeal to conservative minorities will bring them in. You're not trying to pick up minorities (although that is a bonus) you're trying to broaden your appeal to whites.

Do you think Trump was helped or hurt by his open association with minorities? He played the game like a natural and he will continue to do so.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 24, 2017 11:37 AM  

@71 History shows that "dashed expectations" are the usual driver of rebellion, not poverty per se. After 50 years of promising to square the circle of racial inequality of outcome, putting the vast majority of it on the IOU-plan (filling a reservoir of future cash flows that is so absurdly beyond fulfillment that it beggars description), can we imagine a continent more saturated by expectations awaiting a total cataclysm of "dashing?"

I suggest that BLM/NFL separatism is a tiny harbinger of blacks realizing that all the promises of equality were fairy tales told to fools. Funniest is that the Leftist SWPL's who made all the promises believed their own BS.

Blacks (in this instance) were but pets used by hu-whites to preen about how morally virtuous they were, one-upping each other in a struggle for social status climbing within their white enclaves.

But the pets believed what they were told. So do all the children of immigrants flooding the USA; they all embraced the notion that they're eligible to have the wealth and wealth-producing capability of the upper and upper-middle-class whites they see on Tee Vee all day long.

Dashed expectations drive US- and EU-born 2nd gen Muslims to engage in Jihad. Dashed expectations drove the city-burning episodes of the 1960's (Detroit's 1967 riot was the poster-child.)

Dashed expectations will exceed everyone's imagination when Congress can no longer spend without taxing. It will be a contest to see who is made more irrationally enraged about it.

Nice, however, that ammunition prices have moderated....

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 24, 2017 11:38 AM  

@42 Josh, let's not be hasty. I don't want him dictating is next book via smoke signals or tom-toms.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 24, 2017 11:44 AM  

FALPhil wrote:Only someone who has never had to deal with outdoor plumbing in sub-zero weather could not be.

Not true. Down South, we have yellow jackets. That's plenty of reason to support indoor plumbing.


FEAR

I went to college in Texas. And nothing would motivate me more to support indoor plumbing than fire ants.

Johnny wrote:Trevor who was Trump wrote:Trump is already old and four years as President will not help his longevity.

Just going by what I see on TV, Trump appears to be holding up quite well. And while some men wear down in high public office, it seems to extend the life of others.


Barack Obama visibly aged prematurely. Donald Trump is now starting to look his age. Outsiders can have leadership pressure too, and Steve Bannon is following the Andrew Breitbart path of visible signs of poor health and I do not like his odds of surviving to 2021.

Anonymous Grayman October 24, 2017 11:44 AM  

@DC 78

Dashed expectations drive US- and EU-born 2nd gen Muslims to engage in Jihad. Dashed expectations drove the city-burning episodes of the 1960's (Detroit's 1967 riot was the poster-child.

Dont forget the dashed expectations of the 65% of the population that are Americnas, who were told if that if they followed the career path sold to them, they would have the happy leave it to beaver family. Yet the goal posts get moved time and again.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 24, 2017 11:53 AM  

These Democrats literally can't help themselves. Their temptation to virtue signal is just too strong. They have lost so many seats in the past 10 years, but the party is more openly anti-white than ever. Rather than learning their lessons, they are accelerating INTO their mistakes.

They hardly have to worry since the Repukes are now openly anti-white as well (see the recent remarks from the Grand Mufti of Crawford and the Cancerous Zombie Incitatus from Alzheimersville). Not to mention the endless examples of cuckery: Cuck Ryan, the Kentucky Undertaker, various feministas (Maine, Alaska, Miss Lindsay) the Prink Palmetto Princess and her porch negro Tim Scott. The Gay Old Pedos are at least 75% pure cuck. No resolutions against Antifa, just against the Alt-Right - or anyone defined by the (((ADL/$PLC/ACLU/AIPAC))) as "Nazis". Even Trump is "literally Hitler."

Anonymous Crew October 24, 2017 11:56 AM  

I suggest that BLM/NFL separatism is a tiny harbinger of blacks realizing that all the promises of equality were fairy tales told to fools. Funniest is that the Leftist SWPL's who made all the promises believed their own BS.

I don't think you understand anything.

Blacks don't want equality! They believe they should be in charge and slaves like whites should do everything for them. They will try to use violence to achieve their goals!

Blogger Eric Wilson October 24, 2017 11:56 AM  

Heard it here first. Lol. I love you Vox, but I definitely did not here it here first.

Blogger Student in Blue October 24, 2017 12:01 PM  

@84. Eric Wilson

The context was 2020 Trumpslide, not 2016.

Anonymous Grayman October 24, 2017 12:05 PM  

@Crew

The blacks are chasing the South African Dream turned nightmare, unfortunately for them they do not have the numerical superiority to actually pull it off.

Even if the scenario you outlined, whites being handed to blacks as their "morlock" slaves, The blacks don't have the intellectual capacity to make use of the whites in a such a way to maintain or build a technical society.

Its ultimately no different then chasing a crack pipe high, the more you chase it, the further from it you get.

Blogger BassmanCO October 24, 2017 12:08 PM  

OT:

1984 is even closer.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-baltimore-secret-surveillance/

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 24, 2017 12:08 PM  

"While non-whites will certainly join up with the "White party", it's doubtful that more than 20-30% of any minority will do so, as current voting patterns have shown."

Depends on the time frame. Within the next couple of years, sure, but give it 4-6 when it becomes more apparent that the juggernaut is going to roll merrily over the crispy-crunchy bones of their adversaries, and I expect that percentage to suddenly take an upturn. I'd be inclined to think that within about fifteen years only the few and the dead are still willing to stick their neck out under the steamroller.

Blogger James Dixon October 24, 2017 12:10 PM  

> And nothing would motivate me more to support indoor plumbing than fire ants.

I long ago concluded that fire ants were the personal emissaries of Satan, and a preview of the torment to come for the damned.

Blogger Eric Wilson October 24, 2017 12:11 PM  

Student in Blue

Meh. It's just funny that two months after Trump declared VD wasn't on board the Trump Train yet. And Nate's replies in that thread to anyone pro-Trump are hilarious at this point.

And as far as hearing about 2020, I'd say either Scott Adams or Heartiste (or even Cinco Jotas or PLEASUREMAN at MPC) would be where I "heard" it first.

Anonymous Anonymous October 24, 2017 12:11 PM  

Trump is plenty young and vital. Hot wives will do that for you.

There’s a point where beauty ends and a spiritual experience begins. Trump gets it. I get it. I hope all men are as lucky to get it.

Anonymous Anonymous October 24, 2017 12:14 PM  

>"Depends on the time frame. Within the next couple of years, sure, but give it 4-6 when it becomes more apparent that the juggernaut is going to roll merrily over the crispy-crunchy bones of their adversaries, and I expect that percentage to suddenly take an upturn."

People seem to think it's just "white" vs "non-white"

Democrats love to gloss it over but there is open demographic warfare between blacks and hispanics, and neither one of them like muslims.

Much like the mafia back in WWII, as it becomes clear the nation as a whole is under threat you're likely to see them side with the only party vocally willing to protect it.

Anonymous badhairday October 24, 2017 12:21 PM  

Someone needs to explain to the Democratic party how democracy works. I would have thought that would have known that already - being called Democrats and all.
(Yes spergers; I do know that the US is a Republic.)

@7. Jan Minář

I grew up in a Catholic area. You would be amazed how quickly the conditioning disappears when someone realises that Father Touchy Fingers wants to be *their* child's special friend. All it takes is the realisation that there is somewhere else you can go -even if its probably going to be hard.

Anonymous Avalanche October 24, 2017 12:29 PM  

@8 " Vox: (I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing)
James Dixon: Only someone who has never had to deal with outdoor plumbing in sub-zero weather could not be."

So, you mean approx. 97% of liberal/progressives and 77% of conservative/Rightists?!

Anonymous Sam thre Man October 24, 2017 12:35 PM  

93:

it does seem to save Europe you need Germany health, and to have Germany the you have to throw the Holocaust, we are so bad mind set away". Germany needs to become proud and nationalist again, to make sure their own people have children and replicate, to have confidence in the basic good character characteristics of the Germans (efficiency, craftsmanship, engineering and the sciences, the social model of Volksgemineschaft (less any NAZI affiliation)).

They have to go back to a somewhat proud nationalist mind set like the Swiss and Austrians have, or die.

For Europe's sake they need to retain their civilized Christian virtues.

Anonymous Autonomer Beobachter October 24, 2017 12:36 PM  

You could say that the left leaning parties got SJW converged. In Austria this was very clearly observable. The green party became so converged that the urban upper middle class could not help itself but to vote for other parties. The social democrats became so converged that they lost all of the working class to the right wing and depend overwhelmingly on immigrants and people that depend on government handouts, mostly the unemployed and pensioners. While I am not a friend of any left leaning parties, one has to admit that in earlier times the socialists were against the free market and mass immigration (and thus against the EU), and that many atheistic greens used to criticize the backward traditions of Islam and Judaism just as they criticized the Christian religion.
The former member of Austrians green party, Peter Pilz, who is among other things known for his criticism of radical islam and Turkish nationalism within Austria, stuck to this old ideals, formed his own party just a few months before the election, and promptly made into the Parlament while the greens got kicked out.

My biggest learning point is that SJW convergence of enemy organizations is something we should not just accept but actively support and encourage. In future I will certainly encourage, when behind close doors, radical SJWs to get active and carry their idealism into left leaning parties and organizations. They can be a strong weapon for the right. Not just will their idiotic policies drive people away on a rational level, but on an emotional level they lead to the same repulsion that is caused from Nazis w.r.t. the right. SJW convergence carries indeed a strong potential for the right as long as the cucks are kept out.

Anonymous Anonymous October 24, 2017 12:58 PM  

@96 - We call such Green Partiy members "watermelons". Green on the outside, but Red on the inside...

> SJW convergence of enemy organizations is something we should not just accept but actively support and encourage

I'm sure Vox will write another opus on how to weaponize SJWs against each other. For example, when a SJW shrieks "Don't be judgmental about person X doing Y!" it should be possible to find another SJW who finds "person X doing Y" to be "deeply problematic".

Thus the most insane SJWs could be used against the more reasonable ones (and the white knights). In this fight for survival, only the most rabid would climb to the top, in plain sight... even a centrist would be disgusted by them...


Blogger VFM #7634 October 24, 2017 1:08 PM  

If you get a nice dopamine hit from reading liberals' bitching, enjoy:

Is Trump Actually Failing, Though?

Blogger Robert Coble October 24, 2017 1:11 PM  

Vox: I am fundamentally pro-interior plumbing.

Thanks for all those clarifying comments regarding outhouses! For a second there, I thought Vox might be expressing solidarity with the feminists?!?!

(I have a warped mind; no worries, it's not via Internet contact.)

Blogger Robert Coble October 24, 2017 1:12 PM  

Dammit: it's not SPREAD via Internet contact.

Anonymous TR October 24, 2017 1:15 PM  

*I don't have to do anything of the kind. The political and the ideological are not the personal for some of us. Clearly you can't even understand that.*

I understand the claim, but I don't believe you. I think self-interest is a better explanation for your claim that there will be non-whites in a "white" party than some kind of pseudo-intellectual posture of objectivity.

Anonymous TR October 24, 2017 1:16 PM  

Student in Blue: Yo mamma's throat thinks I am smart enough.

Blogger James Dixon October 24, 2017 2:10 PM  

> So, you mean approx. 97% of liberal/progressives and 77% of conservative/Rightists?!

Sounds about right, yes.

Blogger Student in Blue October 24, 2017 2:46 PM  

@90. Eric Wilson
Meh. It's just funny that two months after Trump declared VD wasn't on board the Trump Train yet. And Nate's replies in that thread to anyone pro-Trump are hilarious at this point.

I don't know if ANYONE was sure about Trump until he released his stance on immigration a month or two after that post.

And as far as hearing about 2020, I'd say either Scott Adams or Heartiste (or even Cinco Jotas or PLEASUREMAN at MPC) would be where I "heard" it first.

We'd have to pull up dates. At the very least, I don't believe any of them "put their money where their mouth is" and released shirts proclaiming Trumpslide 2020. If that prediction goes wrong, it's a lot harder to swallow.

Kinda like all the people with their "Hillary will win, deal with it" apparel.

@102. TR

If you were smarter, you'd have a yo momma comeback that actually made sense. Maybe something like "Yo momma sure thought I was smart enough when she used my genes instead of yo daddy's. How's it going son?"

But not that stinking turd you did. What a disgrace.

Anonymous TR October 24, 2017 2:52 PM  

student in blue: I bet your mother would eat that stinking turd

Blogger WynnLloyd October 24, 2017 3:11 PM  

Thanks for those links.
Let's hope that many of them will self-deport once the gibs run out.

Anonymous Anonymous October 24, 2017 3:18 PM  

Speaking of immigration, the blood of the Swede is still strong here in Minnesota: http://kstp.com/news/st-could-city-council-member-proposal-moratorium-on-refugee-resettlement-fails-/4644496/?cat=1

Blogger WynnLloyd October 24, 2017 3:29 PM  

He's back? Thanks for the heads up. That site is vital.

Blogger Matamoros October 24, 2017 4:14 PM  

@52 Only if we keep feeding them. They can't feed he population they have now.

Exactly. Quite feeding them, withdraw all SJW Do-Gooder organizations and tell them to feed themselves or die.

Won't take 5 years and the continent will be back to what it was 500 years ago.

Then simply send the military into a coastal area to hold it while the repatriated African-Americans are shipped in. Pull out the military, and voila! they can have their ancestral lands back.


Blogger stevo October 24, 2017 4:28 PM  

Very astute

Blogger LP9 October 24, 2017 4:29 PM  

NOPE! Accepting immigrants from all countries is not something we can afford, micro level, as per my doctors and pharmacy, Americans are being denied meds, we have to appeal to our own insurance companies for HEALTHCARE which is a service and a need but I never call it a right...We cannot afford rapefugees, this isn't Germany.

Wall colors? Non issue, tell me whens its built; Americans cannot afford immediate delivered immigrants, we cannot afford this. Pro Travel Ban.

But again its wonderful the Dems to even the cucked right or bi farcical ruling whatevers tell us its ok to invite more dreamers, more dyscivics into a broke country of which some drag whore with horns is reading to CHILDREN, let the islamos go party with the satanic alt left with their drag whore clothing meshed with the burka trash; you all deserve each other, the RCC and protestants need to STOP bringing in the people we cannot pay for or provide for them; our healthcare IS BROKEN, we cannot afford this.

Anonymous BBGKB October 24, 2017 5:07 PM  

Related:

London to Vancouver flight with extra bedbugs

Invite the 3rd world become the 3rd world #HBD

https://globalnews.ca/news/3815660/british-airways-bedbugs-bc-family/

Anonymous franklinjennings October 24, 2017 5:45 PM  

@105 lame-o

Maybe stick with the tried and true for a while before you take the training wheels off.

"If she'd been a nickel cheaper, you could be calling me 'Pa'."
"If that dog hadn't beat me over the fence..."
"If I had a stronger stomach or an olfactory impairment..."

But "your mom's a coprophagic!" Is like 0.3/10 would not repeat to retarded kid shitting in my flowerbox

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) October 24, 2017 6:00 PM  

“The ideology of liberal individualism promotes a mixing that is designed to erode the natural borders of homelands and cultures, and leads to a post-national and one-dimensional world where the only things that matter are consumption and production,” Cardinal Sarah said.

Blogger James Dixon October 24, 2017 6:59 PM  

> student in blue: I bet your mother...

I bet you don't have the guts to say something like that to anyone's face.

Blogger James Dixon October 24, 2017 7:15 PM  

> London to Vancouver flight with extra bedbugs

If only there were a cheap, relatively safe way to kill them off, but I guess such legends are myths of the past: https://infogalactic.com/info/Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane

Anonymous JAG October 24, 2017 8:43 PM  

FALPhil wrote:Only someone who has never had to deal with outdoor plumbing in sub-zero weather could not be.

Not true. Down South, we have yellow jackets. That's plenty of reason to support indoor plumbing.


Exploring the woods once with brother and father, I wandered into a yellow jacket nest. I was stung several times on my scalp before I could process what was happening. Once I realized I then unofficially broke the world record for 100 meter dash. Usain Bolt had nothing on me that day as a young teenager.

Anonymous AB.Prosper October 24, 2017 9:58 PM  

Grayman wrote:To put things into perspective the global WWII death toll was about 70 million with about 2/3 of that being civilian deaths including famine and disease. We are talking about seeing the global death toll of WWII but in just North America alone.

The US population in 1940 was around 130 million though is proportionately its not as bas as it could be .

Also a lot of people would probably flee the country fast reducing casualties. That said getting the strength together and more importantly the will to make it happen is the real challenge.

The Saxon can be so slow to hate he ends up dead of old age long before get gets anything done.

Anonymous WalrusWasPaul October 24, 2017 9:59 PM  

After the EMP, there will be a reset, anyhow. the "90 percent" will die meme you keep hearing...that will be mainly the vulnerable--old folks, young folks (like little kids), ALL URBANITES, and basically all hot places. Folks in the Northern areas will huddle, learn to survive, as always.

In other words, almost all brown people will die off, at least those in traditional "brown/immigrant/inner city" areas...which are most of them. Everyone who remains, of any race, will be hardened.

Alaska will become part of Russia, and most of the northern states who can will create a confederation and/or join Canada.

Anonymous Avalanche October 24, 2017 10:47 PM  

@119 "Alaska will become part of Russia, and most of the northern states who can will create a confederation and/or join Canada. "

Except you're missing the part about how the world has already begun sliding back into the next 80-90,000 year ICE AGE in the next/latest 100k-yr-long cycles that have been turning for at least the last 1.3 MILLION years. They're describing Chicago weather down in Atlanta; massive MASSIVE world-wide starvation because of the loss of agricultural lands to cold... Lots of plain-old cold-related deaths. There won't BE any Alaskans to hook onto Russia!They're suggesting the nadir will hit around 2030/2131. Better check your house insulation -- or move South!

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 25, 2017 12:04 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> And nothing would motivate me more to support indoor plumbing than fire ants.

I long ago concluded that fire ants were the personal emissaries of Satan, and a preview of the torment to come for the damned.


One time, I don't know what these fire ants had been eating but their stings caused skin divots. A good half dozen or more had swarmed up my right leg from the summer sun-heated blacktop, where I was chatting with neighbors, before I felt the first sting.

And I should've popped the small hard white blisters but didn't know, because when I left them alone for days to get wide and watery and flaccid and pop on their own, there must've been some serious caustic in there because it took months for my flesh to regrow in those holes, some bigger than the little monsters what caused 'em.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction October 25, 2017 12:26 AM  

@119

Alaska is not becoming part of Russia. It's too far away and Russia doesn't have the projection capability now, nor is it likely too in the foreseeable future. It's more likely that the Chinese and Japanese would lay a potentially hold able claim but that assumes that the Alaskans would accept it which I highly doubt. If the US splinters Alaska will either remain independent or part of Canada.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 25, 2017 12:28 AM  

And just when you think it's safe from bees, ants, snakes, spiders etc, there will be a damn scorpion waiting on you.

Blogger Artisanal Toad October 25, 2017 1:37 AM  

Grayman is essentially correct, for two reasons, but the main point is that all it takes to get well over 100 million dead is for a small group of very determined individuals to decide the solution is to burn everything to the ground and start over.

First, we have an incredibly fragile infrastructure. If the power grid goes down, so does everything else. Once the supply chain breaks, it's game over. We've all heard about the 22 critical substations, but the fact is the power grid is dependent on two things: Transmission lines to carry the power; and, more and more, on natural gas to power the plants that produce the power. That natural gas is transported by pipelines. In both cases we're talking about transmission lines and pipelines that cannot be guarded, but can be cut with ease by a compound called thermite.

Second, according to FEMA the average home has less than a week of food on hand. I'm guessing that less than 5% of Americans have the available capacity to produce food. Got garden seed stored for next year? Capable of tilling the garden by hand (spade it)? Got any livestock? Got a way to preserve food? Got the tools and skills necessary to produce and store food? Outside of the homesteaders and Amish, the answer is probably no.

But everyone seems to be buying guns and ammo.

When the power goes out on a national level, the problem won't get fixed anywhere other than a few local areas. No power means no pumps, so no fuel pumped and no water pumped. That means no food and no water.

But plenty of weapons and ammo.

What happens when there's no food and no water, the wife is hysterical and the kids are crying that they're hungry? When the EBT card network went down in 17 states a few years back, riot conditions were starting in only 12 hours in some areas.

Got stored food but no food production capacity? If you can hang onto the food past the first few months of craziness, you get to starve to death later than everyone else.

Not difficult to see 250 million dead within a year in that scenario, particularly if it happens at the beginning of winter.

If this scenario is coordinated for the same time, even though the lights go out a lot of cell phones will still be working. While the 8-hour backup power rule for cell towers got withdrawn, most providers have been working to get backup power to cell towers and switching equipment.

That means the news will quickly spread that the entire nation's power grid is down. The early dire predictions will drive the panic. Once that starts, it won't stop.

For those who are Biblically minded, read Isaiah 3:1 through 4:2 and then try to tell me that it's not describing the scenario I just described. In fact, the descriptions fit current society like a glove, especially the descriptions of the women. It even says things won't be all bad:

Say to the righteous that it will go well with them,
For they will eat the fruit of their actions.

Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him,
For what he deserves will be done to him.

Anonymous Jack Murphy October 25, 2017 5:19 AM  

TR wrote:*I don't have to do anything of the kind. The political and the ideological are not the personal for some of us. Clearly you can't even understand that.*

I understand the claim, but I don't believe you. I think self-interest is a better explanation for your claim that there will be non-whites in a "white" party than some kind of pseudo-intellectual posture of objectivity.


The data already demonstrates VD's point. In 2016 Trump won more of the latino and black vote than Romney did in 2012. More non whites are joining the "American" party and may continue to do so.

Anonymous WalrusWasPaul October 25, 2017 8:00 AM  

Artisanal Toad, the question I have is, which countries tanks will be rolling in (if any?). Will it be China "helping" the US get back to it's feet, or the gutless Europeans trying to send over ships (some of which will probably sink on the way over). Or Canada, or Mexico, or a combination of both, depending on the area?

The land mass here is too great to be left alone. It will be a prize. Clearly, even if they are the ones that light the EMP fuse, it's not like the NK'ers will be heading over in any great numbers.

It's gonna be chaos like we've never seen. All those years of folks talking about how all the welfare recipients could never survive without their ebt cards and all that--all gonna be proven true--and the same will go for the suburbanites as well, of course.

Isaiah indeed.

Blogger Artisanal Toad October 25, 2017 10:40 AM  

@126

Force projection across either the Atlantic or Pacific ocean to occupy a continent is both an extremely expensive proposition as well as a risky one... so the question is whether the reward would be worth the risk.

What, exactly, would China or another country be getting? It certainly would not be a population of slave labor, which means the project would not be an occupation, it would be a colonization. And what are those colonists going to produce? Mineral wealth? Timber? Food? I suppose that cities on the West Coast could be "mined" for steel and other metal found in the buildings and infrastructure. Perhaps there is plant equipment that could be disassembled, packed up and shipped back to China.

Again, it's a colonization project and colonists must be protected in order to get any work done. Consider too the well-armed and battle-hardened people who will be left in the US after everything falls apart. Recall Admiral Yamamoto's reason for why the US cannot be invaded: "A rifle behind every blade of grass..."

The only hope for success by any invader would have to be genocide. Can you think of anything that would galvanize the remaining population of the US faster and get them together under an authoritarian rule than the threat of a foreign invader determined to wipe them out?

The scenario I outlined above is one that leaves virtually all the infrastructure intact, as well as the US military. Reconnect the transmission lines, reconnect the gas pipelines, turn the power back on to a whole new world minus a few hundred million people. How difficult is it to get critical war production back online? Not that damn difficult with the social problems all dead.

IMO, anyone who actually ran the numbers would realize that invasion of the US is a really stupid move and they would have plenty to do in their own backyard. The US would be permanently removed from the world stage, leaving a power vacuum, which other countries like China and Russia would move quickly to fill. Wars and rumors of wars, no more world's policeman, the international financial system falls apart, nobody knows who owes who what... International trade and shipping collapses with the financial system and the only solution? Move to a chip-based ID/financial system. Meanwhile the entire world is in complete chaos and there will be an incredible power struggle to the fill the vacuum of power left by the disappearance of the US.

All the end-times stuff mentioned in the Bible is about Europe, the middle east and the far east. Nothing about North America. Which brings us back to Isaiah 3, no food or water, civil war and the backlash against feminism when it's over. Describing women's hair plucked out, ropes and branding tells me at least some women will be enslaved. Verse 4:1 tells me it will be a reproach for a woman to not have a man's name (wife or daughter). Verse 4:2 mentions the branch of the Lord, which indicates it's a church-age prophesy.

Afterward it will devolve to food production again. No more veggies flown in on planes from 1500 miles away. No more big-box stores (at least not for a while) and a return to small communities and small businesses. With women as something along the lines of chattel property.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 25, 2017 10:42 AM  

@71 We can start by paying Liberia to house our African felons.  Since US prisons are so costly, we should set up foreign prisons in countries where the felons either hold (e.g. Salvadorans and Mexicans and their children) or are eligible for (Africans) citizenship.  They'll be much cheaper.  We can make this work better by making it easy to escape and adding to the sentence whenever they do.  The goal is that they don't get allowed back for a long time and most just stay put.

We follow up by removing our "mental-health cases" like Jonatha Carr.  Outbursts of anti-White hatred get a nice long treatment stint in an all-Black country, and OBTW you have to pay for your own return ticket.  Again, the goal is that they stay.

Once you've got a miscreant relocation program established and running, you can expand it.  You can pay people to go.  In a country where the GNI is about $300 per capita, a welfare check goes a long way.  Or just make housing vouchers no good in the USA any more, but payable in Africa.  Remove the grammas and aunties with their nests-full of chirruns and you remove the upcoming thug population as well as depriving existing thugs of lairs to "stay".

@116 Bugs get immunity to DDT too easily.  The ones we have now are multi-pesticide resistant.  Fortunately for BA, aircraft are designed to sit on hot tarmac without the A/C running and not be damaged, so they can just fly it someplace sunny and cook the bugs to death with a good heat-soak.

It surprises me that nobody's synthesized the compound in bedbug poop that attracts them back to their day-resting places and incorporated it into adhesive traps.  No way they're getting immune to that.

Anonymous WalrusWasPaul October 25, 2017 11:52 AM  

Artisanal Toad, you've peeked my interest. Hope Vox doesn't mind me asking, do you know of any legit websites where folks like you are posting? From Christian perspective, even?

From what you've described, I almost envision the US being one big "neutral zone" ala Man in the High Castle.

Blogger Artisanal Toad October 25, 2017 1:22 PM  

Walrus

Everything I write is from a Christian perspective, in contradistinction to the churchian perspective. My blog is focused on Biblical sexual morality and what the Bible actually says about sexual morality. You might find the Theology For Men Of The West" series interesting, especially posts #8, #9 and #15 in that series.

As to whether my blog is legit or not, study and see for yourself. Many have tried to refute me and none have succeeded because the Christian doctrines on sexual morality for the past 1500 years did not come from the Bible, they are a combination of Pagan belief, Stoic philosophy and Roman Law. And that's a historically provable fact.


Anonymous TR October 25, 2017 2:18 PM  

franklinjennings: sorry to hear about your kid. You're right, no point in explaining jokes to him/her.

James Dixon: send me your address and phone number and let's find out.

Anonymous Killua October 25, 2017 2:26 PM  

Trumpslide 2020 FTW!!!!!!!!!

Blogger James Dixon October 25, 2017 8:34 PM  

> James Dixon: send me your address and phone number and let's find out.

Yeah, right. I'm not going to do your homework for you kid. "The truth is out there", for those willing and able to do the work.

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