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Friday, October 20, 2017

Everyone knew

Screenwriter Scott Rosenberg admits that everyone in Hollywood knew about Harvey Weinstein:
Let’s be perfectly clear about one thing:

Everybody-fucking-knew.

Not that he was raping.
No, that we never heard.
But we were aware of a certain pattern of overly-aggressive behavior that was rather dreadful.
We knew about the man’s hunger; his fervor; his appetite.
There was nothing secret about this voracious rapacity; like a gluttonous ogre out of the Brothers Grimm.
All couched in vague promises of potential movie roles.
(and, it should be noted: there were many who actually succumbed to his bulky charms. Willingly. Which surely must have only impelled him to cast his fetid net even wider).

But like I said: everybody-fucking-knew.

And to me, if Harvey’s behavior is the most reprehensible thing one can imagine, a not-so-distant second is the current flood of sanctimonious denial and condemnation that now crashes upon these shores of rectitude in gloppy tides of bullshit righteousness.

Because everybody-fucking-knew.

And do you know how I am sure this is true?
Because I was there.
And I saw you.
And I talked about it with you.
You, the big producers; you, the big directors; you, the big agents; you, the big financiers.
And you, the big rival studio chiefs; you, the big actors; you, the big actresses; you, the big models.
You, the big journalists; you, the big screenwriters; you, the big rock stars; you, the big restaurateurs; you, the big politicians.

I saw you.
All of you.
God help me, I was there with you.
There is one problem with condemning the Scott Rosenberg's of the world. If the women didn't speak up, and if so many of them were willing to make that trade, why was anyone else obligated to do so? It's not as if Harvey Weinstein had any less power over the careers of the Rosenbergs of the world.

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121 Comments:

Anonymous Damn Crackers October 20, 2017 2:32 PM  

Has anybody connected the dots to see who didn't feign outrage and must have swallowed big, fat, Jewish c*ck to become a famous actress?

Blogger B.J. October 20, 2017 2:44 PM  

That's a good point. It explains why so many terrible actresses keep getting foisted on the public.

Blogger Salt October 20, 2017 2:49 PM  

Weep not for Hollywood.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 20, 2017 2:53 PM  

Could John Scalzi's rapist history be more than literary?

Can the victims in his life please speak up?

Anonymous Suchlike October 20, 2017 2:58 PM  

I've stopped watching most of their filth, and when I do watch it, I rent it from the library. 25 cents a movie, and no pedos funded.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 20, 2017 3:11 PM  

#everybodyfuckingknew

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 20, 2017 3:13 PM  

It's not as if Harvey Weinstein had any less power over the careers of the Rosenbergs of the world

Probably even more power:

1. Screenwriters are the red-headed stepchildren of Hollywood, necessary but mostly scorned.

2. Scott has nothing to offer Weinstein other than his silence, unless he has a sister or maybe a hot cousin.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 20, 2017 3:17 PM  

On the other hand, from 2014, regarding "sci-fi author-cum-geek" John Scalzi:

"That new book, Lock In? Debuted on the New York Times best-seller list. Oh, and it’s also been picked up as a potential TV series. If you’re counting, that means three of his books might be gracing the small screen over the next few years. I think you’ll agree with me when I say: that’s bonkers."

3 years later, no screen appearances. Could Scalzi possibly have bravely sacrificed his film future by standing up to Weinstein?

Blogger Doug Cranmer October 20, 2017 3:28 PM  

Streep.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction October 20, 2017 3:32 PM  

If so that would be admirable which makes me suspect unlikely. Potential screen plays for all the time in Gamora

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 20, 2017 3:34 PM  

3 years later, no screen appearances. Could Scalzi possibly have bravely sacrificed his film future by standing up to Weinstein?

Poor McRapey, just can't get a head.

Anonymous CarpeOro October 20, 2017 3:35 PM  

If the guilt falls on anyone besides the pig and the women that failed to stand up to him it is implicit that the women had no agency.

A few more widely publicized instances like this and those that haven't taken the red pill will start to get restless at the disconnect. The feminists pushing how strong women are and doubling down in all branches of the society stands in stark contrast to victim-hood to which they keep laying claim.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 20, 2017 3:40 PM  

Yeah, these strong women were silent sex toys until Sinatra's son spoke up for them. This Narrative refuses to bend over and just take it.

Blogger Cloudswrest October 20, 2017 3:43 PM  

Damn Crackers wrote:Has anybody connected the dots to see who didn't feign outrage and must have swallowed big, fat, Jewish c*ck to become a famous actress?

That does not follow. They could have voluntarily and happily swallowed his "big Jewish cock" to get ahead, and they happily claim he molested them in order to "re-virginize" themselves in the public eye, i.e., make the public think they DIDN'T voluntarily swallow his "big Jewish cock."

Blogger Dire Badger October 20, 2017 3:48 PM  

Everyone knew...it was so common, so obvious, that literally movies, parodies, and jokes were made about the 'casting couch' constantly.

And weinstein was far from the only one.
Hollywood is rotten through and through, and it has been for nearly a hundred years. It has been spreading that corruption through the eyes and minds of our children the entire time.

It needs to be wrecked.

Blogger James Dixon October 20, 2017 3:57 PM  

At least Rosenberg admits that he was complicit. How many others of the thousands involved have?
As or the women, jow many of the current women complaining were perfectly willing at the time but are now simply taking advantage of the publicity?

> And weinstein was far from the only one.

Obviously. It's time for the people involved to start naming names.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim October 20, 2017 3:59 PM  

"Willingly" And those women are enablers and just as despicable as Weinstein himself.

Anonymous Tipsy October 20, 2017 4:01 PM  

Dire Badger wrote:Everyone knew...it was so common, so obvious, that literally movies, parodies, and jokes were made about the 'casting couch' constantly.

And weinstein was far from the only one.

Hollywood is rotten through and through, and it has been for nearly a hundred years. It has been spreading that corruption through the eyes and minds of our children the entire time.

It needs to be wrecked.


A quick survey of the allegations against Henry Cohn, Darryl Zanuck, and Louis Mayer confirms that systematic sexual exploitation in Hollywood has been around for a long time. Judy Garland and Shirley Temple were, as child stars are reported to have suffered some kind of abuse when their were young. Shirley Temple wrote that she was flashed by Mayer at age twelve, and Jonathan Goldsmith relates how Judy Garland and others were drugged and passed around among producers and abused.

The lack of pushback seems to have encouraged behavior that has been progressively more wicked, and yet the irony is that the perpetrators seem to be ever more happy to scold Heritage America on her moral issues. As an example, Harvey Weinstein seemed to pump out an anti-Catholic movie once every two years or so.

It is diabolical, and it must be stopped.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 20, 2017 4:04 PM  

Again the question is why now. Why is (((Weinstein))) getting tossed out of the sleigh at this time? Is he supposed to be the sacrificial goat, covered with the sins of Hollywood and driven out of town? Is he just a distraction from something else?

Anonymous BBGKB October 20, 2017 4:08 PM  

must have swallowed big, fat, Jewish c*ck to become a famous actress?

From jews I have meet it was likely smaller than my thumb. You know they use fake penises in porn movies right?

Blogger RobertT October 20, 2017 4:09 PM  

It's a lot easier to jump on the bandwagon than be the first one. Even today, 3/4 of those coming forward are not naming the guy.

Anonymous BBGKB October 20, 2017 4:10 PM  

Is he supposed to be the sacrificial goat, covered with the sins of Hollywood and driven out of town? Is he just a distraction from something else?

My bet is the (((Hollywood Kiddie Diddlers))) are trying to get his assets on the cheep, just like with Rod Sterling selling his team under value.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 20, 2017 4:19 PM  

You could probably measure Streep's snatch without your forearm.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 20, 2017 4:25 PM  

Everybody-fucking-knew.

I'd be willing to bet Harvey knows the names of every pedo in Hollywood.

He'll be looking to make a deal soon.

Blogger Russell Newquist October 20, 2017 4:32 PM  

If the women didn't speak up...

The English language has a word for a woman who accepts or tolerates sexual "harassment" in exchange for wealth and considers it part of her career. If only I could remember what it is...

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein October 20, 2017 4:37 PM  

BBGKB wrote:must have swallowed big, fat, Jewish c*ck to become a famous actress?

From jews I have meet it was likely smaller than my thumb. You know they use fake penises in porn movies right?


Can't speak for you gay guys, as far as heteros go...

Everyone knows that Native Americans are the most well endowed, Jewish guys have the most stamina and Southron rednecks provide the overall greatest sexual satisfaction to their women.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera October 20, 2017 4:38 PM  

OOSH tbh fam.

Blogger Robert Coble October 20, 2017 4:38 PM  

From the interview with BBC's Andrew Marr:

Link: Hillary Clinton on Weinstein: Trump A "Sexual Assaulter"; Bill Clinton's Behavior Litigated, "In The Past"

HILLARY CLINTON: I was shocked and appalled because I've known him through politics, as many Democrats have, he's been a supporter.

ANDREW MARR, BBC: A funder.

CLINTON: He's been a funder. For all of us. You know, for Obama, for me, for people who have run for, you know, office in the United States.

So, it was just disgusting and the stories that have come out are just heartbreaking. And I really commend the women who have been willing to step forward now and tell their stories.

But I think it's important that we not just focus on him and whatever consequences flow from these stories about his behavior but that we recognize that this kind of behavior cannot be tolerated anywhere, whether it's in entertainment, politics. After all, we have someone admitting to be a sexual assaulter in the Oval Office. There has to be a recognition that we must stand against this kind of action that is so sexist and misogynistic.

MARR: And this depends on women coming forward and the courage to come forward. And yet in your book the three women, brought onto the stage by Trump, attacking your husband and you kind of dismissed them. Was that the right thing to do, are you sure about that?

CLINTON: Well, yes, because that had all been litigated. That was the subject of a huge investigation as you might recall in the late '90s and there were conclusions drawn and that was clearly in the past. But it is something that has to be taken seriously -- as I say for everyone, not just for those in entertainment right now.


Bill gets a pass because it's (1) been litigated (AND BILL LOST), (2) been investigated (AND FOUND TO BE TRUE), (3) there were conclusions drawn (BILL WAS/IS A PROVEN SEXUAL PREDATOR), and (4) that's clearly in the past (AND YET HE KEEPS RIGHT ON DOING THE SAME THING, IN CLOSE ASSOCIATION WITH THOSE WHO DO THE SAME THING)!

For years I struggled in perplexity with the lack of cognitive dissonance displayed by amoral people like Hillary Clinton. They have the unholy ability to compartmentalize EVERYTHING without any apparent internal distress. They can condemn one person for locker talk (no evidence of any sexual assault on his part) as a "sexual assaulter" (NOT BY ANY LEGAL DEFINITION) in the Oval Office and in the next breath exonerate someone else who was a PROVEN sexual predator while in the Oval Office, with her active support.

She "commends" the women who came forward after nearly 30 years of this slug's behavior, and then "condemns" the women who came forward about Bill. Why not designate them as "trailer park trash" who were trying to shake down one of the major Hollywood benefactors of Democrat politicians?

Even Vice President Joe Biden‘s former chief of staff asked in an email: “How is what Bill Clinton did different from what Bill Cosby did?” Well, the short answer is that Bill Cosby doesn't have Hillary Clinton as defense attorney, with the entire U.S. government apparatus behind her.

Uh, the difference is that, uh, it was clearly in the past.

WELL DUH!!!! Aren't ALL such acts in the past?!? So, using that (il)logic, I presume Harvey Weinstein can be exonerated (as long as he "has litigated those incidents," "apologizes," gets "treatment," and continues to donate and support the "morally superior" causes) - because it's in the past?!?

I guess that line of thought is no longer operative: it's already in the past.

YE GODS! When will Crooked Eye Cankles get tossed off the public stage?!?


Anonymous Aeoli Pera October 20, 2017 4:39 PM  

#Hollycaust

Anonymous Utah Conservative October 20, 2017 4:43 PM  

Why do all these Hollywood types have last names like -berg and -stein?

Is it a German thing?

Hollywood is secretly filled with German last names (Nazis?)

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums October 20, 2017 4:48 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Again the question is why now. Why is (((Weinstein))) getting tossed out of the sleigh at this time? Is he supposed to be the sacrificial goat, covered with the sins of Hollywood and driven out of town? Is he just a distraction from something else?

It could be a combination of:
a) You can't censor the internet like they could censor the press in the past.
b) Trump knows and hates those fuckers.
c) The women in question are at the decline of their careers. I guess when prostitution is not beneath you and you also run out of youth and beauty the only remaining option is the victim/blackmail card.

How many of these "brave women" that came out are currently in the prime of their careers? How many are in their 20s?
The only one I can think of is Jennifer Lawrence but weeks prior her career took a very steep nose dive and announced she was retiring from acting for a couple of years.

This is just some Kaepernick level of bs. Multi-millionaire rich actresses who suddenly discover they "have a voice" when their lifestyle starts to move closer to the middle-class demarcation... gimme a break.

And just like Kaepernick now being able to play the race-card against his employers, these "brave souls" will certainly play in turn their rape-card against theirs.

We've already been through the "college campus rape epidemic". My threshold for sympathy is pretty high at this point.

Blogger Scuzzaman October 20, 2017 4:54 PM  

I despise those who stand silent more than the criminals, and the only people I despise more are the people who stood silent and rush to speak right after the criminal has already fallen.

Twice cowards, double liars.

Never trust a single one of them.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 20, 2017 5:00 PM  

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the women (and men) who are just now coming forward to complain of sexual harassment and being objectified by the Weinsteins of Hollywood are just upset that they haven't gotten as much out of the bargain as they'd hoped for. Now that the Chinese are taking over, there's an entirely new cabal that these Hollywood attention whores need to suck up to, so to speak.

And yes, of course everyone knew that women were being exploited - or are all these libtards going to suddenly pretend that they never heard of the porn industry? Or do women in porn just not count? Why is it empowering when a young woman no one ever heard of trades sex for a few hundred bucks, but when Jennifer Lawrence makes millions off of someone calling her fuckable, that's beyond the pale?

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 20, 2017 5:01 PM  

I have to admit, in a much lower level and much less intense situation, I've been in the same position as Rosenberg here. I've worked in a restaurant where I saw one of the managers . . . shall we say "inappropriately touch" some of the waitresses several times. My position was always that I wasn't going to be the one to start something, but if one of them spoke up about it, I also wasn't going to lie on his behalf.

I don't know if this was cowardice or not. Maybe I should have done otherwise. Maybe I should do otherwise in the future. I'm open to criticism here.

Anonymous JAG October 20, 2017 5:01 PM  

B.J. wrote:That's a good point. It explains why so many terrible actresses keep getting foisted on the public.

Goes for the males too. Nobody cares about Tom Cruise anymore, but the studios keep cranking out more dull Cruise flicks.

Few people actually like Ben Affleck let alone want to see him ruining films they were anticipating with his presence. Yet Hollywood just can't help themselves. Let's ruin Batman v Superman, and the follow up Justice League by dropping this turd right in to the middle of the punch bowl.

Anonymous JAG October 20, 2017 5:06 PM  

James Dixon wrote:At least Rosenberg admits that he was complicit. How many others of the thousands involved have?

As or the women, jow many of the current women complaining were perfectly willing at the time but are now simply taking advantage of the publicity?

> And weinstein was far from the only one.

Obviously. It's time for the people involved to start naming names.


Yep. It's time for Corey Feldman to spill the beans about his own as well as Corey Haim's abuse. Name them all.

It's time for Elijah Wood to name names.

It's time for Ben Savage to name names.

It's time for Macauley Culkin to admit what happened with Michael Jackson.

OpenID crapulux October 20, 2017 5:09 PM  

Scalzi and Weinstein are in a hotel room.

Who ends up on top?

Hint: https://www.tor.com/2013/07/16/john-scalzi-is-the-prettiest-belle-at-the-ball/

Blogger Scuzzaman October 20, 2017 5:10 PM  

@34

Adult women are your equal, officially.

Short of a violent assault, which I will assume you'd intervene in irrespective of the sex of the victim, they can look after themselves.

That's not MY principle, it's THEIRS.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums October 20, 2017 5:13 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:And yes, of course everyone knew that women were being exploited - or are all these libtards going to suddenly pretend that they never heard of the porn industry? Or do women in porn just not count? Why is it empowering when a young woman no one ever heard of trades sex for a few hundred bucks, but when Jennifer Lawrence makes millions off of someone calling her fuckable, that's beyond the pale?

To be frank I will act as shocked and appalled as possible if it means hurting the industry. Watching them having to eat their words and scurry around trying to do damage control is very, very entertaining. Hitchens said something like "Heaven is heaven because you get to see all the bad people burn in Hell".

Anonymous Roundtine October 20, 2017 5:15 PM  

Is he supposed to be the sacrificial goat, covered with the sins of Hollywood and driven out of town? Is he just a distraction from something else?

Media fracturing. You'd think this would break earlier, but journalism is very incestuous. A lot of the independent outlets are tied to the MSM.

Also a generation gap. Ronan Farrow is a Millennial.

I'm interested to hear why he reported it. He's from a Hollywood family so its not like he hasn't known about this stuff for years.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 20, 2017 5:16 PM  

@30 Utah Conservative
Hollywood is secretly filled with German last names (Nazis?)
---

Yes, all of the Goldbergsteins are nazis like their pal Soros.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 20, 2017 5:18 PM  

@34 Zaklog the Great

I don't know if this was cowardice or not. Maybe I should have done otherwise. Maybe I should do otherwise in the future. I'm open to criticism here.
---

If the victims aren't going to make a stand of any sort, you would end up sticking your neck out and then getting your head chopped off.

I'm sure those victims would have shed a tear or two on your behalf.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 20, 2017 5:23 PM  

@36 JAG

It's time for Macauley Culkin to admit what happened with Michael Jackson.
---

What is strange about this one is Haim said MJ was the only one who didn't try to take advantage of him. WTF?

Blogger Lazarus October 20, 2017 5:24 PM  

Nothing new under the sun. Got an email from my cousin who cleans pools in L.A.

Was thinking about Harvey Weinstein. My father in law Phil Waxman. I was married to his daughter at this time. One night after a few beers he told me the story about Jack Palance and him being roommates in the late 40' early

50's They were both trying to break into Hollywood and lived together to save money. They became good friends. Jack was an interesting guy and you could not mistake him for anyone else. When fans would ask him for his autographhe could not say I am not jack to stop them from bothering him. So he would say I am not Jack I am his twin brother.

Worked. Shut them right down. He was struggling with his career when he met Joan Crawford. She liked him and wanted to have sex. She said she could help him with his career. She had the power to help him. She was a top star. He got tired of seeing her but was told it was best not to stop. She would see to it he would not get work. So when he went to see her he would tell Phil " Well its time to service the Bitch" She did help him. She got him second billing with her in "Sudden Fear" 1952. This his third film. Then help him get the part as a hired gunman in "Shane" 1953.

Now he was established as a star. Did work for him.


Anonymous Avalanche October 20, 2017 5:42 PM  

OP: " If the women didn't speak up,"

I was known when I, once upon a time, worked for .... a nameless big aerospace company out in Seattle... for knowing EVERYthing that was going on in the department. Who was being maltreated by his customer (we were a required step in producing documents and proposals -- a not much appreciated step); whose manager had dropped the ball on which job or editor; what difficulty was being negotiated between two customers trying to not have to deal with us)... EVERYone in the department talked to me, up and down. I was seen as a good truthful conduit between mgmt and us peons.

But when a truly bad thing was happening -- that could have resulted in fines and firings -- the folks who normally spoke to me, knowing I'd pass it on, still spoke to me, I still knew what was going on, but they wouldn't back me up when questioned. (This was serious biz! They wanted it FIXED, but not enough to stick their own necks out. But, boy they were happy to stick MINE out! (I didn't stick it out far enough to get it cut off, but enough to get some action on the problem.)

Most 'bunnies' are perfectly fine TELLING the wolf (and the other bunnies) about the bad thing -- and if the wolf is able to get the king of the jungle to fix it (to horribly mangle some metaphors) they're good. But if the wolf needs some backing up -- even just in words? Run bunny run!

And of course, all these young girls desperately wanted to be stars! Naivety in young women is actually a nice quality -- if the slimeballs aren't around! It USED to be a good thing!

Anonymous Didas Kalos October 20, 2017 5:44 PM  

Another god that must fall before the Ark

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums October 20, 2017 5:44 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:I have to admit, in a much lower level and much less intense situation, I've been in the same position as Rosenberg here. I've worked in a restaurant where I saw one of the managers . . . shall we say "inappropriately touch" some of the waitresses several times. My position was always that I wasn't going to be the one to start something, but if one of them spoke up about it, I also wasn't going to lie on his behalf.

I don't know if this was cowardice or not. Maybe I should have done otherwise. Maybe I should do otherwise in the future. I'm open to criticism here.


You're leaving out lots of key details like: Were the women acting in such a way to invite such behavior? Were the women accepting of the behavior? Did the women complain to your directly? Did they complain to anyone at all? Did they reject him out-rightly? What does "inappropriate" mean in your context? and so on.

If it's not the initiation of force and the behavior stopped after they asked him to stop then I would say you're in the clear. Although your conscious seems to be having a different opinion.

From the screenwriter's perspective, if he came out he not only had to deal with Harvey's wrath but also most likely with Harvey's victim's/"victim's" wrath as well. She slept with him, he gave her a role, a two-party transaction. A third person aware of the trade is not bound to it legally or morally.

What I can't stand is the hypocrisy, publicly dismissing behavior they endorsed and even practiced for decades. Harvey could've turned all of this around (the non-rape allegations at least) if he said something like "Prostitution is legal in some parts of the world and most of Hollywood, ask anyone".

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 20, 2017 5:44 PM  

@39 To be frank I will act as shocked and appalled as possible if it means hurting the industry.

Me too. But why not act shocked AND call them hypocrites?

@34 White knighting seldom works well. If women are being touched or hit in a way that looks questionable but there's no obvious need to forcefully intervene, and those women are not our wives, relatives, or close friends, then it's best to stay out of the situation.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 20, 2017 5:48 PM  

Also, the Weinsteins want guns banned because they know they deserve to be shot.

Anonymous Panzer Man October 20, 2017 5:57 PM  

So, the whores discovered that they can squeeze out some more fame and adulation by turning on the john they were all too ready to accept money and other payments from when starting their careers.

I feel as little sympathy for them, I'm afraid, as for a hooker shrieking about how a trucker "harassed" her 20 years early after she accepted $200 from him. Weinstein is detestable, but I don't see how they're a molecule better.

He was buying, they were selling, the transaction was carried out with the mutual acceptance of both parties. Don't want to give sexual favors to a grubby fat Hollywood Jew -- well, don't be a whore looking to sell those favors to him in the first place. It's very simple.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 20, 2017 5:57 PM  

Why do all these Hollywood types have last names like -berg and -stein?

Is it a German thing?

Hollywood is secretly filled with German last names (Nazis?)


@30 Utah Conservative
It always throws me when I run into gentile Christian German-Americans with stereotypically Jewish-sounding surnames.

Blogger tublecane October 20, 2017 6:05 PM  

If that's how Hollywood screenwriters write, no wonder movies suck.

I looked up this Rosenberg fellow's credits, and I happened to accidentally see some of his seminal 1998 hit Disturbing Behavior recently. Which is a sci-fi teen action horror romance about how interesting weirdos are and the fact that apparent goodie-goodies are violent psychopaths with super monster powers, or something.

It has a Stepford Wives feel to it, with cutesy self-conscious dialogue with endless pop culture references, in the mid- to late 90s teen horror tradition of Scream. When I was an actual teenager, it made me ill. Now it's just boring. And gross. I heard more than one reference to hard-ons.

I guess I'm saying I don't like this Rosenberg person, who's probably still at work poisoning the minds of youth.

Blogger tublecane October 20, 2017 6:09 PM  

@8-I'm gonna go ahead and sat reality was slightly less *bonkers* than he imagined.

Blogger tublecane October 20, 2017 6:17 PM  

@30-According to the ten minutes I saw of the tv show bastardization of Scott Fitzgerald's Love of the Last Tycoon, Nazis ran Hollywood in the 30s. (Decent Jewish boys like Irving Thalberg either did their bidding or subtly Resisisted; I don't know, because I stopped watching.) So why not now?

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 20, 2017 6:20 PM  

Don't you guys make a distinction between sleeze and predation? Sure, if an actress were to in effect say, "I'll blow you for this role", then clearly she's in the wrong. We have a bit of whoring going on there, no question.

But what we're talking about here with Weinstein is outright predation. This guy's a mogul with tremendous power, that threat of "Please me or you'll never work in this town again, kid" is very, very real. This is monstrous, this has stopped even being about sex but about the thrills of coerced domination. It's sick stuff. The thrill is putting the girl in the predicament, and what a predicament that is. I would consider those who even reluctantly succumbed to his pressure and did the dirty deed to be victims. Whatever their actions were it does not negate the problem that they were put into this predicament, one they did not ask for. The dirtbag would often trick them by using a female subordinate as bait. "Come up to my room with Dorothy and I, we need to look at this script." And then, "Oh, Dorothy, you can go now, I got this." Dirtbag.

Throw in the testimony of Kate Beckinsale, who was plied with alcohol and propositioned when she was underage. No consent is possible in that situation, this is "tie a millstone" time.

And consider the case of Rose McGowan. Perhaps you didn't know this, but her parents were whackos involved in a cult that celebrates pedophilia. Rose won in court legal emancipation from them at the age of 15. That is extraordinarily hard to do, you have to have a real basis there. And then she goes off and starts dating none other than Marilyn Manson. And here comes Harvey Weinstein sizing up this hot mess, and what does he find but perhaps a young girl who is "safe to rape"?? Well, rape her he did apparently.

These are the moves of a predator, not some whore's john. A predator. To be utterly condemned.

Blogger tublecane October 20, 2017 6:25 PM  

@50-Truckstop hookers were making 200 bucks 20 years ago? Where was that stop? Beverly Hills?

Blogger Lazarus October 20, 2017 6:44 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:But what we're talking about here with Weinstein is outright predation.

Ya, we get that. Who were these victims agents? Why did they not council them?

The casting couch is an age old tradition. Everybody knows about it, that is why it has its own special term. The good thing about this is we get a glaring public example for the ages, not some whispered suggestions and nod-nod wink-wink stuff.

Just like the corrupt press being leftist..........everybody knew about it, but now we have numerous undeniable and specific examples.

The zeitgeist of The Time of The God-Emperor has brought floodlights to illuminate the dark corners of the Empire.

Blogger Johnny October 20, 2017 6:44 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Hollywood is secretly filled with German last names (Nazis?)

There was some pro Germany Germans in the US in WWI, but nazism never caught on in the German diaspora in the US in WWII. If it had the Nazi chances of victory would have been way better.

In the event you have seen the movie Wonder Women, the depiction of Germans in WWI is a BS slander of the race. In the real world in WWI, the Brits were the old imperialists and the Germans were aspiring to be new imperialists. Little to choose between them on a moral level.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 20, 2017 7:16 PM  

Weinstein admitted on tape to sexual assault while begging for seconds. He's not just a predator he's a creepy pathetic loser predator.

Blogger Abdul October 20, 2017 7:38 PM  

The DUDE WEED LMAO “movement” with has a REAL hard TIME WITH this kind of behaviour too and maybe BILL MAHER will speak up about IN VANCOUVER someday.

Blogger Charles Martel October 20, 2017 8:11 PM  

Weinstein fucked over some powerful fellow-Jews. That's what's at the bottom of this public crucifixion of Harvey boy.

Blogger Doom October 20, 2017 8:16 PM  

There are reasons not to get involved, or in my case to not care.

Women have always been married, in law or simple fact, to the man or men who butter their bread. While that truth seems lost in these times, it is (not even painfully actually) obvious that nothing has changed. While Harvey did his thing, even to slightly unwilling women, they sure took the payoffs. As well, I don't see a miilionaire, and more, as a victim save by choice. Just the other day, at my place, I suggested women can be wives or victims, not both.

Having said that, I am enjoying him being eaten alive by temp brides and fellow debauched, if many of the dames are as bad or worse.

Blogger Robert What? October 20, 2017 8:20 PM  

Women have been willingly bartering their sex for roles and connections as long as Hollywood has been around. "We are shocked, shocked that gambling has been going on here." What I care much more about is when they are going to start outing the child predators?

Blogger Anchorman October 20, 2017 8:34 PM  

Time to go through the movies he produced and make a list of the female stars and their outrage or lack thereof.

Blogger SemiSpook37 October 20, 2017 8:36 PM  

I'm with a lot of the other folks upthread: NAME. NAMES.

This isn't about whoring yourself out to get ahead. We know that stuff is going to continue because that's just human nature, and we, as a society, seem to have a good condemnation (at least among the normies) that riding the carousel isn't exactly something that does wonders for you as time goes on.

But targeting children? And unsuspecting people? That's a level of messed up that any decent person cannot honestly abide. One person's innocence shouldn't be destroyed because you happen to get off on it. There's a special place in hell for those bastards.

Blogger James Dixon October 20, 2017 8:38 PM  

> ...but the studios keep cranking out more dull Cruise flicks.

Can you say Scientology? Why do you think John Travolta had so many roles?

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 20, 2017 8:39 PM  

I'm disappointed to see this attitude from a lot of commenters. The attitude that all actresses are sluts, and they should know that, they have it coming, that's part of the deal, that's just how it works? Well that is not distinguishable from Harvey Weinstein's attitude. He merely acted on it, then. I guess we just move along then.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 20, 2017 8:56 PM  

Where's Hans Blix when you need him?

Blogger Ransom Smith October 20, 2017 9:18 PM  

It always throws me when I run into gentile Christian German-Americans with stereotypically Jewish-sounding surnames.
Much as American jews change names, German jews matched names to blend in so to speak.
German American though is humorous, as I've yet to meet many other Americans of German descent who identify as more German. I did as a teenager just for the lulz but for most is not nearly as strong as with Italians or Irish.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 20, 2017 9:25 PM  

How many of these "brave women" that came out are currently in the prime of their careers? How many are in their 20s?

The only one I can think of is Jennifer Lawrence but weeks prior her career took a very steep nose dive and announced she was retiring from acting for a couple of years.

This is just some Kaepernick level of bs. Multi-millionaire rich actresses who suddenly discover they "have a voice" when their lifestyle starts to move closer to the middle-class demarcation... gimme a break.

And just like Kaepernick now being able to play the race-card against his employers, these "brave souls" will certainly play in turn their rape-card against theirs.


What's not to enjoy?? If our enemies are eating themselves in a frenzy of cannibalism - whether it's (((Hollywood))) or the NFL (((plantation owners))) and their overpaid houseniggas - it's pure comedy watching them all get into paroxysms of moral puffery. There's also the added benefit of seeing various cucks and churchians white-knight for the outraged screeching whores who gave Harvey some head-time between fundraisers for Planned Parenthood.

If this is somehow the doing of the God-Emperor, he really is a grand master of deep strategy. However, as some mentioned before here, it's great distraction which enables (((fake news))) to wring hands, whine and screech while the 40 Dems who were involved in actual criminal activity are ignored.

Blogger Cetera October 20, 2017 9:55 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:I have to admit, in a much lower level and much less intense situation, I've been in the same position as Rosenberg here. I've worked in a restaurant where I saw one of the managers . . . shall we say "inappropriately touch" some of the waitresses several times. My position was always that I wasn't going to be the one to start something, but if one of them spoke up about it, I also wasn't going to lie on his behalf.

I don't know if this was cowardice or not. Maybe I should have done otherwise. Maybe I should do otherwise in the future. I'm open to criticism here.


I was in a similar situation in my youth. I knew the behavior was undesired, and I knew the girls didn't like it. They would bitch about it to me all the time. So I wrote an anonymous letter addressed to the store manager, snail mailed it to him, without signing it, without a return address.

They took it seriously, started interviewing everyone, and he was fired pretty much immediately. Thank God for that.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 20, 2017 10:00 PM  

It's nothing but tribal identity and virtue signaling to bravely write, "Oh, MeToo... I'm a victim!" and make it all about YOU and your "bravery" (since it costs you nothing to come out as a victim now.)
However, it would have cost them a LOT to have named an abuser then, when the power differential was not in their favor, unlike now. It is sad-- no, more than sad, but I can't think of a strong enough word right now -- that almost none of these people were unable to name the names back when it happened. I have never been in a situation like that, so it's hard for me to understand the fear, the flight reflex, the adrenaline and denial that would cloud a person's reaction.
All this has been part of acting and theater for probably centuries-- the only difference is that actors were low status, a few centuries ago. But power, in the form of money and celebrity, is quite corrosive, whether you are a president or a film producer.
It's going to be nigh impossible to shut off the money stream, since pop culture is so saturated with Hollyweird programming.

Blogger Lazarus October 20, 2017 10:10 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:I'm disappointed to see this attitude from a lot of commenters. The attitude that all actresses are sluts, and they should know that, they have it coming,

If they were adults, yes. That does not excuse Weinstein, it just highlights that one is equal or special, but not both. If you are going to go out on the street unsupervised, you gotta be street wise.

That is why actors have agents. Agents talk to the producers, not the actors. If actresses want to be their own agent, it is like the accused deciding to be their own lawyer.

This is something one expects adults to understand in order to be treated as adults.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 20, 2017 10:20 PM  

If that's how Hollywood screenwriters write, no wonder movies suck.

Thank you, tublecane. I was thinking the same thing. I agree we can't really criticize Rosenberg for not speaking out when the actresses themselves didn't, but we sure can criticize him for atrocious writing. "Cast his fetid net even wider"? Holy Purple Prose, Batman. er, Bat-person... Bat-preferred-gender... Bat-identifying-as-male.

Blogger rcocean October 20, 2017 10:42 PM  

Just one point. Polanksi didn't just use the "casting couch" he raped a 14 year old. Weinstein didn't just tell actresses "Hey, suck my dick and you'll get a part". He's been accused of attempted Rape, Sexual assault, and masturbation/exposing himself in public.

Hell, the fucker has physically attacked male actors, performers, and journalists, and gotten away with it.

The problem is that corrupt weirdo was making movie - imagine all the degenerate poison this freak was pouring into the mind of the world.

Blogger Lazarus October 20, 2017 11:00 PM  

rcocean wrote:imagine all the degenerate poison this freak was pouring into the mind of the world.

Movies are popular for a reason.

Anonymous obamasbane October 20, 2017 11:39 PM  

It's so humiliating for Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and Malia Obama and so many others. All of those who professed to be shocked stand revealed as rape enablers. "They all fucking knew."

Blogger Ceasar October 21, 2017 12:02 AM  

My hope is that this doesn't turn into the poor little women BS since most of these young WOMEN had no problem making deals for stardom. The real tragedy is the pedophile rings being run in Hollywood destroying the lives of young girls and boys. The film "An Open Secret" exposes some of it.

Blogger tublecane October 21, 2017 12:34 AM  

By the way, Rosenberg wrote the movie Beautiful Girls, which features the I want to say 15 or so Natalie Portman playing a 13 year-old girl who flirts with the adult played by Timothy Hutton. It's relatively innocent, as I recall. They don't go further than for her to say she's waiting to turn 18 so they can be together. But you wouldn't want a guy like that chatting up your precocious daughter.

I didn't used to take these things seriously, but frankly I don't remember having such flirtations with adults when I was a kid. I'm not a woman, and presumably some 13 year-olds carry on like that. But you wonder where screenwriters get these ideas. If it's just a gimmick, or if it's a normal thing in their world.

Or maybe you don't wonder, if you've heard of pizza parties.

Blogger Felix Bellator October 21, 2017 12:49 AM  

It is normal in their world. Vox featured a bit a while back about Lucas, Kazidan, and maybe Spielberg writing how the character of Marion in Raiders of the Lost Ark was supposed to have been way underage when she and Indiana Jones were involved. They were all hip for it.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 21, 2017 1:13 AM  

@tublecane

There’s very strong evidence that Freud invented the Seduction Theory (a theory of victim blaming, that says young girls deliberately seduce “innocent” older male relatives) once he realized that the truth was the older male relatives were pedophiles. But in a jewish dilemma, the pedos were paying him to treat their daughters, so what else could he do?

Notice the pattern?

In related news Brazilian authorities arrested 108 pedos in a joint operation with US and EU police.

Get the feeling someone else has noticed the pattern?

Anonymous Snidely Whiplash October 21, 2017 2:09 AM  

I have never been in a situation like that, so it's hard for me to understand the fear, the flight reflex, the adrenaline and denial that would cloud a person's reaction.
They were getting off on it. Never assume that anything a woman says about her internal state, her emotions or her sexuality is true.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 21, 2017 2:18 AM  

@39

Ironically enough, Hitchens (assuming we're talkin' the same Hitchens here), will be burning in hell, but he won't even have the satisfaction of anyone luckier than him even caring about his unending torment, because although we know precious little about it, we do that's it's apparently going to be so awesome, even if we were permitted to see the going on in hell, the question could be rightly asked: why would we ever want to when there's so much awesome stuff? I mean, seriously? As an example, do you any of you guys really care about Hollyweird if it didn't directly hurt/harm yourselves or innocent people and it was just a bunch of evil people hurting each other forever and ever and ever without even the chance of dragging anybody else with them their? I mean, crap, I don't even pay that did, rotund limey any mind usually because there's so much awesome stuff already even in this horrible, horrible world, plus just work things to do to pay that fatty any mind.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 21, 2017 2:29 AM  

@46

What does Didas mean? I know Kalo means 'beautiful' generally in greek, but Didad... a quick, lazy google searches just turned up Adidas instead.

Anonymous Snidely Whiplash October 21, 2017 2:41 AM  

@Emmanuel
look up didactic and auto-didact

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 21, 2017 2:43 AM  

@67

It's okay. I hate them too and hope they suffer (or keep suffering) in this life and the next too.

However, to be fair, I REALLY doubt most of the people who hopped in the sack with Weinstein were even 20 percent innocent. Not condoning his actions, just saying that at least equal condemnation must be heaped upon Wienstein and likely most of the ho's he got to be his horrible, filthy, disease riddled jizz buckets.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 21, 2017 2:45 AM  

@85

So Didas Kalos, translated literally, means 'Beautiful Teacher,' then?

Anonymous Mycroft Jones October 21, 2017 2:49 AM  

Female journalist reveals the "whispernet" by which women whisper to each other which guys are "creeps". Then says they need to ramp it up to deal with guys like Weinstein. Complete failure of clue. Whispernet among women is how low status women punish low status men Women are very influenced by whispernet. The author talks about how she felt the floor falling out from under her when the whispernet accused a man she was "close to" of being a "bad guy". She had no idea, really....

Even Game isn't enough to deal with this. Society has to rein in women and men to get to some sort of stable solution.

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/10/16/16482800/harvey-weinstein-sexual-harassment-workplace

Anonymous Mycroft Jones October 21, 2017 2:51 AM  

Point being, instead of thinking that MAYBE the whispernet had falsely accused this man she was close to, she blindly believed it. A lot of chubby 5s and lower use the whispernet to punish a man who refuses their advances. Whispernet is real. Not all men can be in the top 20% of attractiveness. Being asexual isn't a solution long term if you want to procreate.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones October 21, 2017 2:54 AM  

whispernet has never, and will never, take down sufficiently high status males or those who meet the conditions of Briffault's Law. Women amping it up will just punish bottom tier males even more.

Blogger AdognamedOp October 21, 2017 4:32 AM  

I'd pop a zit on dirty Harveys ass cheek, if it would make me un-see Spider-Man Homecoming"

Blogger Phunctor October 21, 2017 6:31 AM  

@83
Because the gates of Hell shall not prevail. Lost lambs get plenty smelly but the Shepherd don't care. Me, I feel you bro, but I'm ashamed of it.

Blogger Daniel October 21, 2017 7:06 AM  

I think every other language has a word for it too

Blogger Daniel October 21, 2017 7:24 AM  

Todas putas

Blogger Jan Minář October 21, 2017 8:08 AM  

Nah it's just the classic brain-washing technique: they ask you to hold multiple contradictory beliefs, which change on the whim.

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 9:08 AM  

@50 "I feel as little sympathy for them, I'm afraid, as for a hooker shrieking about how a trucker "harassed" her 20 years early after she accepted $200 from him. Weinstein is detestable, but I don't see how they're a molecule better. ...It's very simple."

No, it's NOT very simple. And it's damned easy to paint every girl out there with the same nasty brush. *IF* a girl is well raised (you know, the kind you want to raise? The kind you want to marry and have your son marry)? Then she is not prepared for slimeballs!

Used to be -- White MEN protected their daughters -- and 'took care of' the occasional slimeball! You men dropped this ball! You're happily blaming 15-yr-old nice pretty White girls for not knowing what to do when a filthy jew predator pressures her to do something she KNOWS is wrong and bad -- but she was Raised to respect and, generally, obey adults! (JUST like you want young girls to be raised! Just like the girl(s) you raised?!)

How rare is it for a young girl from a decent -- or even semi-decent -- family to be able to 'fend off' an adult male? And when she is thrown (I first wrote "cast" -- ha.) (or chooses, unknowingly, to enter) into a place where that kind of behavior is common and accepted cause "Everybody-fucking-knew": her confusion, her inability to stand up for herself, her astonishment and horror that EVERYONE around her thinks this is normal?! ?!?! And you know damned well almost none of them was warned before 'taking a meeting' that this (or the other) slimeball(s) was going to use it to assault her!

I was just such a naive, well-raised (all-White upbringing!), trusting 'nice" girl. I can give you a small boatload of situations where I did NOT know what to do -- nothing too horrific happened to me, thankfully (because I was raised in a nice area and was well-protected by my family/father/community) -- but some still bring me to tears in my sixties! Because *I DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO!* I did not know how to stop it! I was a POLITE young girl! I had never run across a filthy nigger pimp trying to recruit me (I came in to meet my older sister in NYC, there on my own for the first time) -- who wouldn't let me ... fend him off (get away from him)... with giving him a kiss! And I was too damned nice to look for a cop or scream or yell -- or even REFUSE!! I. DID. NOT. KNOW. WHAT. TO. DO. (And, double ha: until in my 40s, *I* did not even blame his RACE! "HE was certainly a bad man -- but blacks were just like Whites." I was polite, sweet, and naive; i.e., completely unprotected! Like young girls are supposed to be!)

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 9:09 AM  

{cont.}
You guys always say how much you want nice well-raised young girls. How you want even a virgin to marry for for your sons. AND YET -- you support Roosh and the PUAs teaching "here's how to screw young White girls because you have NO responsibility towards your nation!" (Sorry, Vox, I know he's your friend -- but damn! All-y'all here are happy to blame the girls, when you men dropped the protection (and yes, the control!) that girls need!

Most of these young girls DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO! And they shouldn't have! You'll notice, too, it's only the famous ones, the successful girls/women who are *having to* step up in public and say, "Oh! I'm so shocked and surprised Harvey did this! I never knew!" Or, "I told him to get me an Oscar and he could touch my pussy."

If they were not famous and public -- would they not still be keeping their mouths shut? Ashley and Hillary have to speak out -- because everyone is looking askance at them. You don't really think he paid off all the girls he abused with stardom or money, do you? Even most of them? What about all the girls who slunk away from Hollywood (disgusted with themselves and feeling guilty, like they caused it!) -- the ones who got 'done to' by not-just-Harvey -- and did NOT 'get their payment as y'all keep crowing that they agreed to!?



You guys can't have it both ways: EITHER girls are sluts and know better (or happily agree?!) starting at age 7, OR they are doing what women have been doing since the dawn of humans: Fitting into their milieu! Unhappily concluding what "Everybody-fucking-knew" must be what's normal in this, their new tribe ... and so, "deep breath, girlie, you gotta do/allow what's normal. When in Rome, yes?" Because fitting in saves your life; getting thrown out of the tribe means death-by-tiger. Sorry you guys don't like it -- but you do like that most married women vote the way their husbands do (or they used to), and work to fit into your society, right? You let the society go to hell (((thanks))) -- and now blame women?! We are BUILT to fit in! Stop blaming these younglings for doing what they/we are BUILT to do! Start controlling the sleaze, not blaming the young women!

And yes, I absolutely put the PUAs in as sleaze -- because what they do IS sleazy!! Not ONE BIT different from Harvey Weinstein! If you support it when Roosh does it, then you support it when Harvey does it, don’t you? Or are you counting angels on pinheads?

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 9:24 AM  

@62 " I don't see a miilionaire, and more, as a victim save by choice. Just the other day, at my place, I suggested women can be wives or victims, not both."

Doom, you're forgetting -- they WERE NOT MILLIONAIRES when predated - they were kids!

And how is it (((our))) society has moved SO FAR AWAY from 'most girls marry by the time they're 20-25,' and 'they go to college to get their MRS,' and so on? Which of your blameless men now approve of marriage when a girl reaches 18? But boyo, you're sure happy to blame the girls!!

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 9:43 AM  

@73 "If you are going to go out on the street unsupervised, you gotta be street wise."

"Society is endangered not by the great profligacy of a few, but by the laxity of morals amongst all."
― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America


USED TO BE there was very little 'lack of safety' for women and girls going out in the streets unsupervised. The SOCIETY supervised them! THe MEN supervised them, and punished offedners!

USED TO BE the naivete' and sweetness of young women was valued not deprecated as the CAUSE of her "misfortune," if "misfortune" is what she ran into.

Now, you complain about women be hard and defensive; but you ALSO want them to be streetwise?! Unicorn farts!

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 9:46 AM  

@73 "That is why actors have agents. Agents talk to the producers, not the actors. If actresses want to be their own agent,"

You think somehow these young girls managed to set up a MEETING with a high-level power player on their own? THEIR AGENTS SENT THEM IN THERE!! Soooooo much easier to blame the young, un-famous girls!

"Everybody-fucking-knew.

Because I was there.
And I saw you.
And I talked about it with you.
You, the big producers; you, the big directors; you, the big agents; you, the big financiers."

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 9:51 AM  

@78 "poor little women BS since most of these young WOMEN had no problem making deals for stardom....
pedophile rings being run in Hollywood destroying the lives of young girls and boys."

Are you just MISSING that most of these women were young girls at the time? They weren't "happily making deals for stardom" ... You're whining about pedos -- while castigating this "poor little women" -- when they were abused by pedos because they WERE young girls!!

THINK for a minute! Count on your damned fingers!! These *NOW*-famous women are pointing out they were 15 and 14 WHEN IT BEGAN! Hello?!? PEDO!?!?

Blogger Lazarus October 21, 2017 10:00 AM  

Weinstein should also be held partly responsible for the hysterically self indulgent #metoo campaign.

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 10:02 AM  

@82 They were getting off on it. Never assume that anything a woman says about her internal state, her emotions or her sexuality is true.

Snidely, it's now clear you are neither married nor the father of daughters.

Used to be that 13-yr-old girls COULD flirt with older males, because THEY WERE SAFE TO DO SO! Because MEN would not take advantage of those girls; they would flirt back gently, harmlessly, and kindly. 13-yr-old girls are on the "threshold of womanhood": they were playing at being women, just like tiger cubs play at hunting! Just like 13-yr-old boys are learning to jostle and struggle for ascendance with each other (and watching/learning from adult males around them how to BE an adult male); the girls are learning to attract men and draw boundaries. THEY WERE SAFE TO DO SO because the MEN were honorable!

The MEN did not act on the girls' practice because the MEN were honorable. Is honor toward women something you do not recognize? You want the country (our nation) to go BACK to it -- but NOT if it requires YOU to do so?


(Dja not notice that ALL the movies that showed adult males -- White (apparently-)Christian adult men -- acting honorably are no longer shown ANYwhere without you having to dig them up? Does ANY Millennial or Gen Zyklon even know who Jimmie Stewart was? Gary Cooper? HUmphrey Bogart? All the WHITE examples of adult malehood and honor? Don't want boys today to SEE how MEN are supposed to act, because then they might not become slimeballs or PUAs!!

No, they get offer Dumb and Dumber -- THAT is what they're (((supposed))) to grow up to be!

Blogger wired216 October 21, 2017 10:30 AM  

Wow! That was a big explosion! But as a Daughter of the Founding Fathers, I agree, wholeheartedly.

Anonymous VFM 3061 “Chief Who Notice Things Make Chief Go 'Hmm'” October 21, 2017 11:07 AM  

@103 Avalanche,

Agree 100%! When will alpha males stop women from stripping off their clothes at the drop of a hat in their presence?! Why won't men stop women from slutting it up?! WHEN WILL MEN FIX THIS PROBLEM?!

Blogger Were-Puppy October 21, 2017 12:35 PM  

@68 Post Alley Crackpot
Where's Hans Blix when you need him?
--

Or Blinx the Cat /vaugevideogamereference

Blogger Timmy3 October 21, 2017 12:48 PM  

What’s missing is everyone knew about everyone else. Who else needs to be exposed and looked the other way?

Blogger kh123 October 21, 2017 2:07 PM  

"For years I struggled in perplexity with the lack of cognitive dissonance displayed by amoral people like Hillary Clinton. They have the unholy ability to compartmentalize EVERYTHING without any apparent internal distress. They can condemn one person for locker talk (no evidence of any sexual assault on his part) as a "sexual assaulter" (NOT BY ANY LEGAL DEFINITION) in the Oval Office and in the next breath exonerate someone else who was a PROVEN sexual predator while in the Oval Office, with her active support."

The world of socialists, sociopaths and serial killers. As Nechayev put it: Everything for the revolution is moral; everything against it is immoral.

For the Clintons and their ilk, the fact that it's been very lucrative for them before they've achieved World Peace adds a whole other dimension to it. Nechayev died diseased and insane in prison, well before enjoying the fruits of the October Revolution.

With any luck, we may see the former end their story the same.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones October 21, 2017 2:37 PM  

Avalanche: what you call "honorable" behavior is now illegal. Protecting women from predators involves jail-time. Protecting women from themselves involves even MORE jail time. It is like the days of old Ireland, where the Norman overlords took whatever women they wanted, and the Irish men had no recourse whatsoever.

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 4:13 PM  

@105 "When will alpha males stop women from stripping off their clothes at the drop of a hat in their presence?! Why won't men stop women from slutting it up?! WHEN WILL MEN FIX THIS PROBLEM?!"

Um, did you miss that FATHERS are MEN? An ALPHA FATHER will protect and raise his daughter NOT to slut around? I know some of you think "oh, well, alpha fathers can just cat around and make babies for other men to raise." That's not what builds civilization. Unless you think Greco-Roman fathers raised their daughters to slut around?!

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 4:22 PM  

@109 "Protecting women from predators involves jail-time."

Exaggeration. And I'm suggesting that RAISING GIRLS -- and protecting them -- will more often than not KEEP THEM from requiring "street smarts" to keep the safe! CONTROLLING the civilization, the society, has always been men's job. "Shunning cads" was more a MAN'S duty than a woman's. Now, they're applauded and held up as exemplars, until they mis-step and get thrown out (see: Weinstein.)

GIRLS will do what their surrounding society tells them is the right thing to do. If FATHERS desert them (emotionally/or 'controllingly') -- or just don't bother to express early and often their disapproval of the "modern" more's -- where is the girl to learn how to act? It is a truism, that girls/women marry their father or their anti-father! The FATHER is the key.

Where does a girl learn to say: "thank you for asking, I'm attracted to you too. But I don't sleep with boys/men, because it's not in my best interest."? Religious girls, at least, CAN say: "no, I won't sleep with you: God wouldn't like it." What's a 'secular' girl to say? Where will she LEARN that? Her modern dad, if he's around, probably applauds her and helps her get the Pill at 14!

Anonymous Avalanche October 21, 2017 4:30 PM  

@105 And by the way "Chief" -- I DON'T notice you suggesting men should fix the MEN who do this? When have you EVER spoken out against PUAs? When have you EVER suggested HONOR demands men protect the young women of their tribe, their nation? Or is that ALSO all women's fault?

(Some of you sound like you blame women the same as you blame boomers! Fourteen year olds are NOT in control of this society and the way it tell them to act. Let me suggest an analogy (yes, of course I'm a boomer!):

You 'blame' us for the damage to our nation caused by, e.g., the sexual revolution and the opening of the borders. We were CHILDREN! We didn't DO that!
Today, you blame these young girls for not being street wise and able to fend off slimeballs who, apparently -- to judge by "Everybody-fucking-knew" -- were ALLOWED by everyone around them (all the "adults" and men) to DO slimeball things without penalty.

Tell me -- do you blame a 14-yr-old wanting to be an actress for NOT knowing about pedos in Hollywood? Or for having no earthly idea HOW to deal with them? (Especially when "Everybody-who-fucking-knew" continued to SUPPORT it?) Do you blame the children abused by pedos in ANY OTHER TOWN in the country or world?

Anonymous Tornado Breath October 21, 2017 4:55 PM  

Sounds like someone has some unresolved issues. Innocence may be sweet, but a wife and mother needs to be wise to the world. I suspect Avalanche is some omega male larping as a 60 year old cat lady.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 21, 2017 5:13 PM  

Stop. Avalanche's insights on women are quite keen. Her posts on the topic are valuable. A great many of the posts on this thread aren't.

Blogger tublecane October 21, 2017 6:28 PM  

@97-About PUAs,their amoralisn disturbs me, and I don't buy the fig leaf of, oh, you can run game on women to get them to commit to you long-term and give you bunches of babies. Which may actually be what some pick-up artists do with their Secret Knowledge eventually. But if PUA sites and books were about teaching men the truth about female psychology so as to enable them to settle down with good girls, they'd be unrecognizably different.

Much like how pornography would be unrecognizable if it were intended to instruct young males in the art of pleasing their eventual wives. Instead of material for self-abuse, which is what it is. However, I can't absolutely rule out the possibility that some men use it the former way.

That being said, though general is no excuse for personal sin, PUAs don't teach in a vacuum. We're in the midst of not only social but civilizational decline. No matter how virtuous I am, I live in a world of permissive sexuality, the pill, female economic independence, and the corruption of family law. That makes finding or fostering virtue in women extremely difficult.

The solution, of course, would be to live by example and be a productive member of good communities within the larger corruption. No doubt there were pockets of relative goodness even within Sodom. No one has to go all-in on the depravity, taking advantage of women to get their rocks off because they can and because it feels better than being lonely.

"Not ONE BIT different from Harvey Weinstein!"

That's a lie. Weinstein is accused of actual crimes: indecent exposure, unwanted touching. sexual assault, and actual rape. PUAs advocate no such behavior.

Blogger jandolin October 21, 2017 11:04 PM  

Perv Harvey Weinstein, issued a statement denying he made a pass sexually harassed Lupita nyongongo. He is a degenerate but he has standards.

Blogger VD October 22, 2017 9:29 AM  

Except the observable truth is that PUA's teach about "female psychology" for the sole purpose for men to pump and dump women.

That's a blatant lie.

And PUA's are major contributors to this moral cesspool in the West.

Another even more obvious lie. PUAs haven't been around long enough to be major contributors to it. Feminism and women's suffrage is a much more serious problem and causal factor; both have been around decades longer than Game or PUAs.

You are banned for repeatedly lying. Don't come back.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) October 22, 2017 12:06 PM  

96. Avalanche October 21, 2017 9:08 AM
How rare is it for a young girl from a decent -- or even semi-decent -- family to be able to 'fend off' an adult male?


how rare is it for a young girl to "fend off" an adult male, anywhere, at any time?


how rare is it for a young girl from a "decent family" to be bouncing on a Casting Couch?

any "Semi-decent" family would NEVER have allowed their underage daughter to be Hollywood in the first place.

you take the actions of stupid / pervert families and tar US with their crimes.

and don't play the "innocent 15 year old" on me. in the current US, there are damn few girls who don't know what's going on by that age.

Cash Me Outside Girl being a prime example. she knows EXACTLY what she's doing and that her body is a weapon. and she's 13.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu10IiXVNBk

*you* in particular may have been innocent at that age. don't play the game that "all girls" are so callow.

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 12:28 PM  

In the neighborhood that I grew up there was a Lesbian of about 17 years old, who was what used to be called "big-boned." She openly bragged about her sexual proclivities, and brashly stated she had beaten up many adult males. This was in the late 1950's.

The neighborhood was a bad neighborhood, with some thug types, one or two levels worse then the thugs in the movie "Stand By Me," as they actually killed other kids. (3 in the space of 4 years).

Back to the Lesbo, Jewldene or similar was her name, and she use to wrestle young boys, with sometimes subtle, and sometimes obvious sexual explorations during the "wrestling." The boys she wrestled were all between the ages of 10-12 years old. My buddies wrestled with her and liked it, going back several more time. I tried once and after she grabbed my crotch, my thoughts were she was trying to speed up maturity in us boys, or destroy what innocence we had left. I never went back for more.

Perverts, whether female or male, will always target innocence.

Blogger Felix Bellator October 22, 2017 6:36 PM  

@118 re: @96, Bob hits on something here. The majority of men were more honorable at some point in the past, but their were sleaze balls then too. There were standards young women were supposed to know and uphold. Like not being alone with a man in a hotel room, ensuring the office for remained open while conducting business with a man, etc.

Maybe back in the day some father would have pounded Weinstein into a jelly, the police would have warned Weinstein about messing with young girls, and the father would have walked free (I doubt it though, given the money and power imbalance back in the day). But today such a fatherly response would likely mean serious jail time. It shouldn't, but the system is law system, not a justice system.

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2017 8:12 PM  

IT's almost as if the expectation was that someone should have protected: Grown, fully liberated and emancipated women.

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