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Sunday, October 22, 2017

It's NOT the protests!

Protests the NFL, unconvincingly:
Several NFL stadiums are nearly empty post kick-off as the National Anthem controversy rolls into week 7.
  • Plenty of empty seats visible at the Hard Rock Stadium in Florida as the New York Jets play the Miami Dolphins.
  • The Cleveland Browns are playing at home against the Tennessee Titans. Plenty of empty seats to go around.
  • More empty seats in Chicago as the Bears play the Carolina Panthers.
  • Lucas Oil Stadium has “tons,” of empty seats during the Indiana Colts vs Jacksonville Jaguars.
It's really rather remarkable how SJWs just keep doubling down and keep lying, literally unable to admit the obvious even when it is right in front of their eyes. Keep this in mind whenever you are dealing with an SJW yourself and thinking "he can't POSSIBLY be lying about something that stupidly obvious, can he?"

Yes, yes, he really can.

And if you doubt that Roger Goodell is willing to crash the league over this, read about his role model and then think again.
TIME’s profile also details Goodell’s road to the commissioner’s office. His father, Charles Goodell, was a congressman from New York, appointed to the Senate after RFK was assassinated.  As a Republican who opposed the Vietnam war, Charles Goodell fell out of favor with the party, and lost his seat in the 1970 election. This principled stand guides all of Roger Goodell’s decisions, especially the ones that fans, players, or even owners don’t embrace. “He loved being a United States Senator,” Goodell says of his father. “My personal view is, he never got over that. And that’s sad to me on a lot of levels. But he did what was right. He knew the consequences. He knew it was going to end his career. You can’t buy a lesson like that.”
He knows the consequences. He knows it could end the league. But he doesn't care, because he believes allowing the players to protest America is the right thing to do.

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Blogger Thucydides October 22, 2017 7:00 PM  

Networks work hard rot support the narrative by not actually panning across the stands. IT would be amusing if someone in the stadium were to pan across the stadium during the game and record the actual number of filled seats. This could provide a great metric to see just how far NFL numbers and posted finances are diverging from reality.

Blogger Arthur Price October 22, 2017 7:02 PM  

They have doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down.

Blogger hewhofuckscouchs October 22, 2017 7:15 PM  

By now they have dodecatupled?

Dodectupled?

Whatever, you get the idea.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 22, 2017 7:19 PM  

SJW's lie to themselves first, then to everyone else.

Anonymous Anonymous October 22, 2017 7:21 PM  

Not OT

It is interesting to note that the nascent patriotic movement in Britain is building around a core of football fans. And Tommy Robinson's English Defence League before it.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 22, 2017 7:21 PM  

The NFL protests prove that no organization is safe from SJW Entryism unless clear and explicit SJW exclusion is built into it's foundation.

Walt Disney thought his organization was safe after his purge in 1947. It wasn't.

I thought that the NFL was safe from Entrysim back in 2013 because the competitive nature of pretty much all of it's members from top to bottom would act as a buffer.

I couldn't have got that one more wrong.

The right SJW in the right place can easily wreck everything.

Anonymous David-093 October 22, 2017 7:24 PM  

Their commitment to cause is impressive. Spiting normal Americans must provide the mother of all dopamine releases for these failed men.

Blogger Silly but True October 22, 2017 7:26 PM  

That's the requirement. Good people don't lie. SJWs believe themselves good.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 22, 2017 7:36 PM  

The NY Giants owner, John Mara, summed up the situation rather nicely when he acknowledged that the protests were angering the fans. He also did admit that this was having a very negative effect on the bottom line. But then he went on to say all that didn't matter, these protests are simply too important not go forward in his estimation.

So, fans be damned. They think they know what's best for you. And apparently profaning the flag and anthem is what's best for you. Some in the NFL and ESPN commentary have even brought forward the amazing whopper that somehow profaning this ceremony is the patriotic American thing to do, dontcha know? That's almost as unbelievable as the anthem singers who protest their own performance -- which is happening more and more. It's an incredible storm of illogic, irrationality, denial, lies and doubling down. SJWs are simply amazing, I don't know if they have a historical precedent. Has any group ever before so completely severed itself from reality and rationality? Even some of the fictional races in Gulliver's Travels seem more sane.

Blogger Doom October 22, 2017 7:42 PM  

I'm not really seeing it. Looks rather standard from when I watched games regularly, decades ago. I'd be pleased to see vast open areas, I'm just not. I am no expert, if I actually think that gives me the advantage... I wasn't, can't be, told what to see in absolute contradiction to reality and my own damned lying eyes. *cough* Not by anyone, not even another trickster. *cough* How many of you even suspect? *grins*

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 22, 2017 7:43 PM  

@3

Duodecuple, actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuple#Names_for_tuples_of_specific_lengths

Anonymous krymneth October 22, 2017 7:43 PM  

On the plus side, this new business direction is allowing the NFL to offer a brand new self-directed "Seat Upgrade" feature they've previously not been able to offer; buy a seat in the nosebleed section, just go on ahead and take a seat in the third row near the 50. It's the sort of seat upgrade you'd never have been able to do just a few short months ago. Why, this makes tickets to the games more valuable than ever before! Happy days are just around the corner, as soon as they figure out how to monetize this properly.

Blogger SDaly October 22, 2017 7:45 PM  

As to John Mara, I think he is taking his cue from his son. Weak men cannot stand up to the demands of their children.

"From a very early age, it was pretty clear to us he had different interests than I did as a kid," the elder Mara said. "He was always much more interested in the Tony Awards than the Super Bowl, unless of course we were playing."

Blogger SDaly October 22, 2017 7:47 PM  

See also: Roger Goodell

Roger Goodell’s Gay Brother: Michael Sam Is An ‘Instant Hero’

Anonymous LES October 22, 2017 7:56 PM  

@12 Yes, I've attended college basketball games during Christmas break when the ushers encouraged us to take the lower seats so the cameras would not show empty seats.

Anonymous JAG October 22, 2017 7:59 PM  

That Dolphins-Jets photo is only a couple of steps removed from L.A. Express games in the USFL. Never thought I would see it get to this point.

Blogger Lovekraft October 22, 2017 8:02 PM  

It's simply an extension of the entitlement of the undeserved victim status of the african-americans, who have been weaponized by the DNC and Obama in particular.

The real disconnect is how westerners still understand this notion of supply/demand, free markets etc. The aa demands are something more out of a 3rd world socialist dictatorship, where this type of temper tantrums are usually directed from above with little opposition.

The end result with be a winner-take-all of EITHER capitalism and free markets rule OR this shaming shakedown will be the norm.

A jockeying for position in real time, but with one that has the taint of extortion and deceit.

Blogger Lovekraft October 22, 2017 8:04 PM  

And let's not underestimate the behind-the-scenes strategizing and planning by fifth columnists in the west like CAIR and MoveOn.org

Blogger Jew613 October 22, 2017 8:06 PM  

I'm just not getting it, there are fortunes being thrown away. From the players to the owners they are flushing money down the toilet. If they would stop the protests today it would take years to recover even if they ever could.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2017 8:08 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:SJWs are simply amazing, I don't know if they have a historical precedent. Has any group ever before so completely severed itself from reality and rationality? Even some of the fictional races in Gulliver's Travels seem more sane.

Yes, Islam. If you're going to make a mind-control cult, you should start by making a heresy of the highest Truth, which is Christianity. That is what makes Islam and Social Justice so naturally compelling.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 22, 2017 8:13 PM  

I wonder what they'll say when the players start burning the flag?

Anonymous 20somethingwoes October 22, 2017 8:13 PM  

Slightly O/T, but as far as the future plans of the Alt-right, check out Millennial Woes most recent speech on YouTube. This NFL stuff is the beginning (as was Trump) of the unraveling of the prior race "cohesion".

So hope Maxine Waters runs for Prez...white folks are getting sick and tired of being lectured by non-whites...esp while they live in a society they could never create.

Great website Vox!

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2017 8:20 PM  

Jew613 wrote:I'm just not getting it, there are fortunes being thrown away. From the players to the owners they are flushing money down the toilet. If they would stop the protests today it would take years to recover even if they ever could.

Social Justice is literally a thought-control cult, whose members will "mindkill" themselves to forestall committing heresy. There is nothing they won't do in the service of their faith and creed, and you only have to look at what they falsely accuse normal people of intending to see what they're actually contemplating.

Anonymous BLACK October 22, 2017 8:21 PM  

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Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 22, 2017 8:21 PM  

Imagine having to govern ultraviolent people with an overall average IQ of around 80. It may be the rational response? See: Flint, Chicago, Baltimore, etc....

Blogger Lovekraft October 22, 2017 8:24 PM  

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Anonymous Looking Glass October 22, 2017 8:30 PM  

Jew613 wrote:I'm just not getting it, there are fortunes being thrown away. From the players to the owners they are flushing money down the toilet. If they would stop the protests today it would take years to recover even if they ever could.

Ever seen a Union voted its company into dissolution? Structural Interests run deep, and the biggest issue with SJW Convergence is the Interests now have nothing to do with having the product on the field survive. But I'd really hate to have been an ownership group that recently bought a team. That's a way to lose a fortune.

Blogger haus frau October 22, 2017 8:34 PM  

"The NY Giants owner, John Mara, summed up the situation rather nicely when he acknowledged that the protests were angering the fans. He also did admit that this was having a very negative effect on the bottom line. But then he went on to say all that didn't matter, these protests are simply too important not go forward in his estimation."

Normally, I would assume protests and "raising awareness" are meant to agitate the public in favor of a particular cause. It is truly baffling isn't it? They can plainly see that the protests are not drawing the public to their cause so what exactly is the goal? If anything, this protest has pushed more white Americans than ever sympathize with the police that have to deal with dindu-do-nuffin entitlement and violence.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 22, 2017 8:44 PM  

The SJW and anti-White liberal elites just don't want to get it.

Its not about Trump.

And its not about the anthem.


LIE: Diversity™ is our strength.
TRUTH: Diversity™ is our misery.

Blogger Zimri October 22, 2017 8:47 PM  

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Blogger SemiSpook37 October 22, 2017 8:48 PM  

I get score updates on my phone. I have better things to do with my time on Sundays than watch a bunch of entitled athletes whine about injustices that 99.99999...% of them could easily help to rectify the other 32 weeks of the year. This has gotten so bad that I've gone back to watching college football exclusively, and I hate how screwed up that entire system has been for YEARS.

Maybe part of that latter thing is the fact that my particular school's team has become significantly relevant in the past couple of seasons. Well, that and most guys who leave that program have actual degrees that can allow those men to have a more meaningful life than just playing a game once college is over.

Blogger Zimri October 22, 2017 8:48 PM  

His dad never got over... being a goniffing tick on the body politic that is a Senator, and subsequently being pried off.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 22, 2017 8:50 PM  

Walt Disney thought his organization was safe after his purge in 1947. It wasn't.

Well, it did take Walt's death before it could converge. Succession planning is unpredictable.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2017 8:52 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:But I'd really hate to have been an ownership group that recently bought a team. That's a way to lose a fortune.

How would you like to be a football memorabilia mall retailer? We have a surprisingly lively mall here (well it's at the end of the line of light-rail public transit), and I recently walked around (needed more and better cookware) and felt so sad for them. The football focus must've seemed like a no-brainer, and they have no influence whatsoever over the players. I can only imagine that the owners must be chronically dyspeptic and/or choleric.

Anonymous RJ October 22, 2017 8:53 PM  

"I'm not really seeing it. Looks rather standard from when I watched games regularly, decades ago. I'd be pleased to see vast open areas, I'm just not."

You're not looking in the right place, then. The entire upper deck at Heinz Field across from the CBS cameras was empty. Not just a few seats, the entire upper deck. For a Steeler game against the Bengals.

When Steeler fans stop going to games, you've got a problem.

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 22, 2017 8:55 PM  

Shocking. Who would have guessed there are different levels of demand for (i) an athletic competition marketed as family friendly, mainstream entertainment and (ii) far left political theater designed by a domestic terror group that expresses racial hate for most of the NFL's audience?

Blogger Lovekraft October 22, 2017 9:05 PM  

re Goodall's father and Vietnam:

with my admittedly-limited knowledge of Vietnam, I think that, despite all the extraneous complications and criticism, it represented a battle over markets.

Whether the west (originally France, then later the U.S.) or China will establish economic dominance in the region, and by extension, globally.

The fact that we lost and are basically a vassal state of China's cheap goods and debt, not to mention the opportunistic Marxist protesters (you know who I'm talking about), it was a significant endeavor and many use emotion to override this understanding.

Anonymous JAG October 22, 2017 9:21 PM  

Doom wrote:I'm not really seeing it. Looks rather standard from when I watched games regularly, decades ago. I'd be pleased to see vast open areas, I'm just not. I am no expert, if I actually think that gives me the advantage... I wasn't, can't be, told what to see in absolute contradiction to reality and my own damned lying eyes. *cough* Not by anyone, not even another trickster. *cough* How many of you even suspect? *grins*

FFS, did you actually look at some of the photos? The Jets vs Dolphins photo shows approximately half the seats empty. That isn't normal at all.

And as was mentioned with Pittsburgh, those fans sell out home games even in bad years. An empty upper deck is a five alarm fire fro the Steelers franchise.

Anonymous Bernard October 22, 2017 9:27 PM  

How many of those still turning up have season tickets and how many will not buy season tickets next year?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 22, 2017 9:38 PM  

Okay, so, if I give you 75 dollars for the RPG, do I get the first 3 volumes in hard cover too along with the next 3 volumes in e-book format or...?

Blogger Doom October 22, 2017 9:41 PM  

So, everyone is a football ticket franchise expert now? FFS yourself, I did look. I'm not seeing it. More, I've learned not to trust what I hear. When I hear a businessman say they are really squashing the bottom line, but it's for a good cause? Yeah, no. Either it is fullstop bull or he has already calculated it out of the plantation millionaires' hides. I am saying I don't see, don't believe, and care even less about tantrum throwers.

I could be wrong. Time will tell, not you. I don't care.

Anonymous Anonymous October 22, 2017 9:44 PM  

The real acid test for the NFL will be Lambeau Field, where they've sold out every single game since 1960. If folks don't show up there, it's all over.

Packer citizen-owners have some decisions to make before the next owners meeting week in July 2018.

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2017 9:49 PM  

JAG wrote:And as was mentioned with Pittsburgh, those fans sell out home games even in bad years. An empty upper deck is a five alarm fire fro the Steelers franchise.


How much do actual fans in the seats contribute to the NFL coffers as a percentage?

They are just people who pay to pay a role in a reality show after all.

Barcelona played a soccer game during the recent troubles to an empty stadium, for security reasons.

People watched it on the telly.

Not trolling, just curious as to your perspective.

Blogger Nate October 22, 2017 9:52 PM  

Fake News.

Cincy attendance is down because Cincy is freaking terrible.

Cleveland attendance is exactly the same as last year.

Chicago is averaging 100.5 capacity for the year. Which is actually up almost 2% from last year.

Lucas Oil stadium.. home of the colts is down quite a bit. 3% in fact. But somehow I think the owners will manage to survive on the mere 101% capacity crowds they are averaging for the year. (yes... they averaged 104% last year)

And again... even if this were true... it literally would have no effect on the bottom line at all. The tickets are already sold before the season starts.

At best... you could suggest it will have a big effect next year.

And I will suggest that it will not.

Anonymous Crew October 22, 2017 9:55 PM  

Justin Timberlake should reconsider. It might be a pretty empty stadium!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000865438/article/justin-timberlake-to-headline-pepsi-super-bowl-lii-halftime-show

Anonymous Marvin Boggs October 22, 2017 10:04 PM  

I got rid of my cable service in July. Part of the reason was that I wouldn't be watching any NFL games. Frankly, I've put the time otherwise spent watching the idiot box to much better use. Perhaps, if enough other people do likewise, this might be a net positive for western society.

But I'm not hopeful.

Anonymous Didas Kalos October 22, 2017 10:15 PM  

The sooner this 'dagon' falls the better.

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2017 10:19 PM  

Marvin Boggs wrote:But I'm not hopeful.

I hear you, Marvin. But, in my experience, giving up hope is the catalyst for change. Sincerely embrace hopelessness, for you will create a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum, so hopelessness will produce results.

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 10:45 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Marvin Boggs wrote:But I'm not hopeful.

I hear you, Marvin. But, in my experience, giving up hope is the catalyst for change. Sincerely embrace hopelessness, for you will create a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum, so hopelessness will produce results.


I see, low morale is good. Fantastic tactics. FUD is unbeatable,and hopelessness, is STRATEGIC HEAVEN.

Thanks, would have never thought of this!

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2017 10:49 PM  

tuberman wrote:Thanks, would have never thought of this!

The key is not to pretend to give up hope, or act as if you give up hope, but deep down, let go of hope. Hope is for the hopeless.

Blogger Koanic October 22, 2017 10:58 PM  

If I may, a modest proposal to improve attendance:

Have the negro felons actually pound the cute white cheerleaders on the field.

Blogger James Dixon October 22, 2017 10:59 PM  

> The football focus must've seemed like a no-brainer, and they have no influence whatsoever over the players. I can only imagine that the owners must be chronically dyspeptic and/or choleric.

Hopefully they've got local college teams to carry. Otherwise they may as well be preparing to void their leases now.

> When Steeler fans stop going to games, you've got a problem.

Yep. The Steeler's fans are as loyal as they come. And it sounds like at least 1/8 of the seats were empty.

> How many of those still turning up have season tickets and how many will not buy season tickets next year?

Let's just say that I expect much wailing and gnashing of teeth come season ticket renewal time.

> And I will suggest that it will not.

We'll see, Nate. Steelers fans in Pittsburgh were burning their fan merchandize over this. I'm going to have to take the deflation side on this one.

Blogger LP9 October 22, 2017 10:59 PM  

Did anyone hear public schoolz are taking the knee too?

Why are people abiding by the antics of, injured "r" selected CTE'd damaged low IQ millennials...

Nope Steelers fans are put off and less interested in spending money on OH, WV, PA college ball.

It is sad though, I look forward to Fall fests, football and the lovely weather changes.

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 11:00 PM  

Lazarus wrote:tuberman wrote:Thanks, would have never thought of this!

The key is not to pretend to give up hope, or act as if you give up hope, but deep down, let go of hope. Hope is for the hopeless.


Yes, I now know. Just like Mother Teresa watching with bliss while people died. That wonderful last moments, when all concerns pass Timeless Beauty!

Title for self help book. "Just Give It Up"

Blogger LP9 October 22, 2017 11:02 PM  

SJW's would be devastated if the NFL was publicly traded as they would not get away w/ childish antics, to my knowledge they are not pub traded, correct?

Anyhow, leave the men alone let them watch the games for that chill time, its father-son time, its superbowl parties too. Oh well. Let the SJWs SJW into imbecility

Blogger Quilp October 22, 2017 11:05 PM  

Whats next, NFL.com starts hawking Goodell jerseys for the socially conscious fantasy football fan? I had no idea Roger made the kind of money he does. Why the teams handed over that kind of power and money to the league office astounds me. When Goodell is eventually accused of racism, his response will be most interesting. The league is after all 75% black, why does a white man who doesn't own a team, and doesn't even play make more than any player?

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 11:10 PM  

Lp9,

Better Father-Son time is getting you boy into actual sports himself, and mentoring him in STEM subjects, and showing him how to be ant-fragile...so he does not feel hopeless.

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2017 11:10 PM  

tuberman wrote:Title for self help book. "Just Give It Up"

Yoda said it best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 11:12 PM  

Hopelessness, in real life leads to anxiety, if the fear and anxiety get chronic and extreme enough, it leads to insanity.

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2017 11:13 PM  

James Dixon wrote:We'll see, Nate. Steelers fans in Pittsburgh were burning their fan merchandize over this. I'm going to have to take the deflation side on this one.

Nate's a cynic. Its the result of being mythological espoused to a failed rebelllion.

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2017 11:18 PM  

tuberman wrote:Hopelessness, in real life leads to anxiety, if the fear and anxiety get chronic and extreme enough, it leads to insanity.

COMPLEXITY leads to insanity. Actively rejecting hope as a pragmatic approach frees one to take steps to rectify the particular situation.

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 11:18 PM  

Lazarus,

I usually agree with much of what you say, but real life chronic hopelessness does not come out well. Star Wars is a movie.

Blogger James Dixon October 22, 2017 11:20 PM  

> Did anyone hear public schoolz are taking the knee too?

That would not surprise me at all. But public school teams are dependent on the local community for their funding (uniforms, etc.). Expect that to last one year at most.

> Title for self help book. "Just Give It Up"

We've already got "Enjoy the Decline": https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AY5WUY0/

This sounds like a good companion book.

> I had no idea Roger made the kind of money he does.

His contract is currently up for renewal. If this continues expect him to want to "spend more time with his family".

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2017 11:24 PM  

tuberman wrote:Lazarus,

I usually agree with much of what you say, but real life chronic hopelessness does not come out well. Star Wars is a movie.


I hope you reconsider.

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 11:26 PM  

Lazarus wrote:tuberman wrote:Hopelessness, in real life leads to anxiety, if the fear and anxiety get chronic and extreme enough, it leads to insanity.

COMPLEXITY leads to insanity. Actively rejecting hope as a pragmatic approach frees one to take steps to rectify the particular situation.



Well, similar , but not the same, one needs to work on complexity through OODA Loop Technics. You look at the Complexity and let it break down, usually by testing it through actions, while deconstructing it, then you pick up the pieces and synthesize a new orientation to test, through action, observation of what's wrong, then deconstruction again (could call it a form of analysis), then you reconstruct a better reality for survival, or even just for a higher level of playfulness.

Blogger Nate October 22, 2017 11:29 PM  

"We'll see, Nate. Steelers fans in Pittsburgh were burning their fan merchandize over this. I'm going to have to take the deflation side on this one."

Pittsburg average attendence for 2017: 65,857 96% of capacity

pittsburg average attendence for 2016: 64,312 98% capacity.

Numbers as a percentage went down. Total attendance went up. More $$$. Not less.

keep talking.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch October 22, 2017 11:31 PM  

When I see this kind of a thing--and when I have people in my real life who are black and love BLM--when I see these people cheerfully celebrate their perceived notion that all US white people will one day get swallowed up by all the brown people, some thoughts come to my mind:

1. Am I to conclude that blacks hate America, they do not want to be Americans, and they want nothing to do with anyone else except blacks?
2. Will they respond in such a measured way as I do if I celebrate the possible disappearance of all black people from the North American continent? Is it okay for me to cheer that on?
3. Since these people appear to despise the idea of being in America, it appears to me that their solution is to win by conquest.
4. Since these people appear to want to destroy America by conquest, should we return them to the origin point of this 400-year epoch exodus journey--that is, returning them to their original enslavers? It's my understanding that there is still slavery in Sudan, the Congo, and Nigeria.
5. I highly doubt they'd want to go to Liberia, in any event.

I mean, what the hell? These are the thoughts that go through my mind these days. And I never thought like this before. But, if these people keep demonizing the hell out of all white people like this, then the only outcome is for them to provoke and produce the blatant, unrepentant, unsorry, unapologetic, harshest TRUE racists they've never even imagined.

Because I'll tell you what, American whites are NOT racists. They are not. The proof is in the fact that they continue to tolerate the continued grievance culture of blacks, they continue to allow affirmative action, they cuck out, and they play moderator against other whites who dare to say these things. The blacks have been racists against whites for MY. ENTIRE. LIFE.

Anonymous Crew October 22, 2017 11:32 PM  

OT, but is Richard Spencer just another deep-state tool?

https://akamaitree.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/alt-rights-richard-spencer-handled-by-cia-family/

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 11:35 PM  

All systems can lead to insanity, as all system break down due to entropy. Usually, unless the insanity is overt, the people do not realize their insanity...SJWs are an example. The deconstruction/synthesis route constantly takes action against entropy and reconstructs worldviews to avoid being out of sync.

The insanity due to severe chronic anxiety though is overt, and cannot be passed off as normal within an equally insane group.

Blogger Nate October 22, 2017 11:35 PM  

Also.. attendance for today's game in pittsburgh was 65,363.

Heinz Field capacity is 65,500. The game was a sell out and almost everyone that purchased tickets actually came to the game.

So umm...

yeah. Your source is an either an idiot or liar.

Blogger Stilicho October 22, 2017 11:35 PM  

Sjw pride goeth etc.

Anonymous Ages October 22, 2017 11:40 PM  

Sportsball ought to be played, not watched like a theater performance. Go out and get some exercise.

Anonymous Andrew E. October 22, 2017 11:49 PM  

The NFL is dying. Good. Only inertia is keeping things running. But that'll run out eventually. Hopefully college football, with all the fake student-athletes will follow. Perhaps after Trump's re-shaped judiciary makes it legal to use IQ, or SAT, tests to hire kids right out of high school.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly October 23, 2017 12:05 AM  

Of the 4 home teams listed here, they have power rankings of: 26, 28, 29, 32. Out of 32.

As a fan of one of those sad, sorry teams...the bottom of the barrel is just horrible. Tough to get yourself motivated for one of these games.

Tickets sold? Sure.

Looks like there might be traffic on the way to the game? Mmm...maybe just stay home today. Won't have a rabid fan base cheering on the squad when there really is nothing to cheer for...so folks are more likely just to stay home.

And the photos of the relevant teams...don't really look that vacant. Nice work with the long zoom out though, and tucking it away at the bottom of the article.

Blogger Doom October 23, 2017 12:11 AM  

Nate,

Glad to see my damn lying eyes still work, and that I'm not an expert. Appreciate the numbers work, this system is rough for that and I'm still mostly dead. I owe you a shot if it ever occurs.

Blogger Stilicho October 23, 2017 12:12 AM  

@nate, come back when simple arithmetic is in your wheelhouse. Percentage is up (based on what?) total attendance is down.

Tell me again how deflation isn't possible...

Blogger Nate October 23, 2017 12:25 AM  

"Percentage is up (based on what?) total attendance is down."

You can't read.

Pittsburg expanded their stadium. So what wasy 98% last year... is lower than 96% this year.

So no. Attendance is not down. They are not selling less tickets or making less money. They are making more money on ticket sales because they are selling more tickets.

heinz field added almost 3000 seats.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2017 12:27 AM  

As for defaltion... is that what you call it when US annual home prices go up 6.6% in 2016?

Anonymous Raker Tooth October 23, 2017 12:28 AM  

Different culture, but at one time Japanese factory workers went on strike by wearing a cloth tied on/armband thing while at work, rather than shutting the factory down. Not a hard driving tactic to be sure, but considering the media exposure the sports guys get, would the same method not inform the public of their 'plight' while continuing the operation?

Blogger Doom October 23, 2017 12:33 AM  

Problem is they don't have a plight. I am hoping this helps change that.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2017 12:34 AM  

"Glad to see my damn lying eyes still work, and that I'm not an expert. Appreciate the numbers work, this system is rough for that and I'm still mostly dead. I owe you a shot if it ever occurs."

The NFL is very straight forward about their attendance numbers. You can easily tell when a team is trying to fudge and lie about their numbers because they switch from "attendance" to "tickets sold". Then they start giving away large chunks of tickets that people never use and say they sold them.

The titans pulled that trick for several years pretending their sellout streak was alive and well while the games were only drawing about 75% capacity

Anonymous Raker Tooth October 23, 2017 12:43 AM  

80....zing.
NFL lives matter.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 23, 2017 1:11 AM  

I'd be 10x happier to see attendance at NFL games hold steady. I WANT the idiot athletes to continue pissing off the majority of people in America.

The best outcome here is for them to be blinded to the reality of how pissed off America is, by the rabid fans who cannot be distracted from their passion for huge black men wrestling each other continuing to pay huge $$$$ for the privilege to watch this in person.

No, rather, I want hundreds of thousands of people to continue to disconnect their cable packages, their satellite packages. Defund the liberal elite media from their money source. Remove the source of brainwashing of their entire family from their household, their living rooms, their bedrooms, their smart phones. Get off their fat asses and do something with their family and friends. And buy less crap food for football parties and eat honest food again.

For the same reason, I hope the NBA players go all out this upcoming season to show white fans how much they hate the white people's guts.

Anonymous Rocklea October 23, 2017 1:25 AM  

Goodell just wants to complete what daddy tried. If he does and it's successful and the NFL picks up, then he completes his father. If he has to quit and is marginalised, then he is still successful, for and by, emulating his father. Same dynamic as The Little Bush and Bush Sr. and Iraq.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 23, 2017 1:40 AM  

Regrettably, this isn't nearly cynical enough.

But here is something that is: undermining the pricing structure of the players themselves helps all of the team owners get what they really want eventually, which is lower costs and more loyalty.

A certain NFL player who helped start this ritual of taking to the knee found out precisely how employable he happened to be at current market rates.

Once the dust settles from the unceremonious exit of many more NFL players from the sport for "public image concerns", what's left of the NFL after restructuring may work cheaper, harder, and with considerably less public annoyance.

I can also imagine a future NFL that eliminates "free agency" -- player pricing becomes much more stable when the only open option is to leave the NFL entirely. It's easy enough when the players work for the league, not the teams, and that they are licenced to the teams who are willing to pay for them. If the players want to change teams, they'd better ask league management for permission -- if they don't, they're out of a job.

Otherwise, perhaps team owners can bring back the "XFL" for the players forced out ... but I sense that team owners really don't want an Ex-Con Football League any more than the present situation.

Blogger LP9 October 23, 2017 1:48 AM  

57 agreed along with being well read and lifting.

Anonymous starret October 23, 2017 2:10 AM  

The NFL is not comic books. They are not changing the game itself.

A football league does not need 12 billion in revenue to sustain itself. They have a lot of room to cut back. The owners are willing to pay the price, just like Target was willing to pay the price for allowing trannies in female bathrooms.

Blogger Koanic October 23, 2017 2:29 AM  

What else can we do to destroy this great American fatasstime?

How about have a mocha golden boy murder his pretty white wife?

All right, all right, how about this: He murders TWO cheerleaders, on the field.

Anonymous Ray October 23, 2017 2:45 AM  

The NFL exists and profits by channeling (White, with expendable income) people's natural tribal instincts toward loyalty to corporate "tribes" of vaguely geographically related mercenaries playing at fake war. Do the leftists engineering the fall of the NFL anticipate what might become of all the white-with-expendable-income tribal loyalty and that has been tied up in these false tribes? Where that energy might go in times of real war?

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 23, 2017 3:04 AM  

Ray wrote:The NFL exists and profits by channeling (White, with expendable income) people's natural tribal instincts toward loyalty to corporate "tribes" of vaguely geographically related mercenaries playing at fake war. Do the leftists engineering the fall of the NFL anticipate what might become of all the white-with-expendable-income tribal loyalty and that has been tied up in these false tribes? Where that energy might go in times of real war?

No. That's the fun thing about the Law of Unintended Consequences, is that it doesn't even need a formulation. It's obvious on its face, that people by and large just don't get dynamic complex systems.

Anonymous Icicle October 23, 2017 4:18 AM  

Announcer: "Are you ready for some football?!"

"No."

Blogger pyrrhus October 23, 2017 4:28 AM  

A football league does not need 12 billion in revenue to sustain itself. They have a lot of room to cut back. The owners are willing to pay the price, just like Target was willing to pay the price for allowing trannies in female bathrooms.

No way. Target was only pissing away shareholders' money, but for the NFL owners it's their own money...And many of these franchises are highly leveraged..And as everyone in advertising knows, it is very dangerous to let customers get out of the habit of using your product, as most will never return. There are many studies of this issue, and the big consumer companies are well aware of it.

Blogger pyrrhus October 23, 2017 4:30 AM  

Sportsball ought to be played, not watched like a theater performance. Go out and get some exercise.

My millennial kids, and many of their friends, are of this opinion--not looking good for the NFL.

Anonymous Rocklea October 23, 2017 5:52 AM  

"No. That's the fun thing about the Law of Unintended Consequences, is that it doesn't even need a formulation. It's obvious on its face, that people by and large just don't get dynamic complex systems."

People used to belong to complex dynamic systems. Then came reason. Now complex dynamic systems don't understand people.

Blogger Anchorman October 23, 2017 7:03 AM  

Opening kickoff pics aren't indicative of anything other than who got through security. On days with good weather, people delay going to the stadium because they're packing up tailgating gear and getting one last beer in before $10 beers.

It will only matter when local television blackouts occur and/or businesses have to buy the unsold tickets. I just don't see that happening for many years - at least in the established markets. We may see something next season, but this season's tickets are almost all sold (or, in some markets, weren't going to be sold).

A significant squeeze is merchandising. Pre-season and Christmas are big sales times for NFL merchandise. They have the numbers. They have expectations. Only if it punches them there will they move an inch.

But the real money is in the TV contracts. If ESPN continues to flounder, there won't be a lot of bidders for MNF. It may go back to the networks at a discount. I'd watch the other contracts. Those are driven by advertiser metrics. It's not sexy, but the numbers behind the TV contracts will show the real effect of the protests.

Anonymous Steve Canyon October 23, 2017 7:04 AM  

People who normally would have been willing to hold their nose and accept the rot that is the kneeling for the anthem protestors certainly are unwilling to put up with that foolishness when the product on the field is abysmal.

Jaguar built a notoriously crappy car, but people still bought them (and occasionally drove them) because the brand provided some degree of social signaling of affluence and status. The Yugo was a crappy car that accorded the owner nothing, and people avoided it.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 23, 2017 7:53 AM  

I was at lambeau yesterday (Not my idea, Fiancee's dad has season tickets). Noticed that neither the Saints nor Packers had any kneelers but both teams locked arms. I am wondering if that is the owners suggested more subtle form of protest. Fans seemed more enthusiastic about the anthem respect and cheering afterwards than I have noticed in the past. The stadium was at capacity for the game. I am guessing that would be the last stadium to suffer from a collapse though.

Blogger Stilicho October 23, 2017 8:05 AM  

That'll teach me to read nates rambles while drinking

Blogger Stilicho October 23, 2017 8:09 AM  

Nate, tell me how a price increase in one asset class is proof that deflation is impossible.

Blogger James Dixon October 23, 2017 8:15 AM  

> Pittsburg average attendence for 2017: 65,857 96% of capacity

We'll see come next year, Nate. I'm merely making a guess. I don't care either way.

Blogger Johnny October 23, 2017 8:50 AM  

Steve Canyon wrote:Jaguar built a notoriously crappy car, but people still bought them (and occasionally drove them) because the brand provided some degree of social signaling of affluence and status. The Yugo was a crappy car that accorded the owner nothing, and people avoided it.

I owned a Yugo. Bought it as a low milage one year old car at half the retail price. The thing really was as bad as rumored. Highway driving amounted to flooring the throttle most of the time, and getting into the draft of a big truck if there was a headwind and sustained high speed was desired. The hood had this defect, it would fly open unexpectedly, and the windshield wipers would quit working the first time they got turned on with the blades frosted in place.

An American company bought Jaguar, I think Ford, and they sold off the brand at a profit by building a medium quality car that got sold for several years as a premium car. Sales went down faster in Europe than in the US, proving I think that the European buyers were more discriminating.

Blogger Johnny October 23, 2017 9:01 AM  

Now that I have quit watching football on TV, there is nothing on the network channels left for me to boycott. But for the DVD player, I would no longer have a use for the television.

Anonymous Anonymous October 23, 2017 9:11 AM  

Nate, the attendance figures are still going to be high since they're not announcing turnstile counts. The tickets for the most part are already sold. But what's the no-show rate?

Green Bay and Pittsburgh will be the bellwethers in this. Those two franchises have the strongest following, the best tradition, and most passionate fan support.

Green Bay gets special mention, because what else are people going to do up there, go sturgeon spearing on the Big Hole when it freezes over?

As I mentioned earlier, all those citizen-owners have decisions to make. Dropping $250 on a little piece of their team elevates their voice. We'll have to wait and see if there's any fireworks when the Packers hold their annual owners meeting in late July 2018.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2017 9:20 AM  

"Nate, tell me how a price increase in one asset class is proof that deflation is impossible. "

1) houses aren't assets they are liabilities.

2) Housing market prices were always a big factor in the structure of Vox's argument. Because credit is used to purchase homes so widely... the theory was that an end or slow down to credit demand would result in housing market deflation. I argued that the problem wasn't a lack of willing borrowers... but a lack of qualified borrowers (for a number of factors that included mal-investment.. meaning we built to many mcmansions that people didn't want and didn't qualify for, and not enough good starter homes.)

But it doesn't matter. I gave a specific timeline for a specific prediction and it didn't happen. Still hasn't happened.. and with the election of Trump and nationalist shift I don't see it happening at all unless something epic changes.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2017 9:21 AM  

"Nate, the attendance figures are still going to be high since they're not announcing turnstile counts. The tickets for the most part are already sold. But what's the no-show rate?"

bzzt. The pitt numbers are turnstile numbers. The game was a sellout.

Anonymous Crew October 23, 2017 9:55 AM  

As for defaltion... is that what you call it when US annual home prices go up 6.6% in 2016?

Is that because they have increased the supply of money or, by illegal etc immigration increased the supply of buyers?

Anonymous BBGKB October 23, 2017 10:14 AM  

Seriously no crypto fashion outfits made up for boycott NFL yet?

How would you like to be a football memorabilia mall retailer?

I saw card/memorabilia dealers out the last time I was out at a mall, was a sad scene.

I WANT the idiot athletes to continue pissing off the majority of people in America.

Seconded

Anonymous Anonymous October 23, 2017 10:25 AM  

Hi Nate... are your numbers on the NFL tickets like your numbers on Trump's support during the 2016 election?

Anonymous Cusefan44 October 23, 2017 10:35 AM  

The problem with looking at stadium attendance is that there are always more people that want to go than seats available...so even if people stop going it won't really impact there. The areas that would show an economic impact on the league (eventually) are TV revenue and merchandise revenue - and TV only when the contracts are up.

Anecdotally, in central PA I see maybe 25% as many Steelers flags out in front of houses as I would have in past years - and water cooler talk on Monday isn't about the Steelers and Eagles, but rather about Penn State. Part of the Steelers issue is they ticked off fans right at the time Penn State became relevant again, so I think they are a special case that you can't use to project to a league-wide trend.

What I'm interested to see is how the Thanksgiving Day games go - I'd expect there will be a lot of families with people on both sides of the issue arguing about national anthem debates instead of enjoying football like they would have in years past...a lot of people will come out of Thanksgiving more hard-line in their view than they were in mid-November.

Anonymous Arie ZionHeart October 23, 2017 10:41 AM  

The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

Blogger Anchorman October 23, 2017 11:20 AM  

^^Doesn't know how product support is built.^^

Blogger dvdivx October 23, 2017 11:21 AM  

VD - Do you think being a SJW is inheritable? Like a morally sick version of altruism gone wrong? Interesting about his father.

Blogger Roger G2 October 23, 2017 12:07 PM  

Selfish social justice preening and virtue signaling. These people wouldn’t care if it destroyed their very country.
Until, of course, the begeadings commence and their wives are forced to wear the hijab.

Anonymous c matt October 23, 2017 12:16 PM  

But that's the issue: Goodell's father standing against the Vietnam war was the right thing to do; supporting the player's protest is not. Standing for your principles is a good thing if your principles are good, and a bad thing when your principles are bad. No one can dispute that the mob stood for its principles.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 23, 2017 1:34 PM  

David-093 wrote:
Their commitment to cause is impressive. Spiting normal Americans must provide the mother of all dopamine releases for these failed men.

Goodell's statement is itself an example of SJW lying in everyone's face. Goodell does not own a team. He's not "speaking truth to power", just doing what he's told. His story is bullshit. He's merely a mouthpiece and step-n-fetchit for the owners, nearly all of whom are what Z-man helpfully describes as cloud people, whether of the (((Tribe of Harv the Hutt))) or various yankees and other goyim. The cloud people have the common characteristic of Narcissistic Altruism, which serves as a de facto religion. Z-man gives a good summary at the end of his article:

The collapse of organized religion, particularly among the Cloud People, is leaving them with no structured outlet for this normal human impulse. The reason a Lyndsay Graham cares more about Dreamers, than his fellow South Carolinians is he feels like he is helping those who need help. It’s why John McCain spent the last three decades chanting about “causes greater than yourself.” Without a structure into which his narcissistic altruism could flow, he searched around for causes and purposes, most of which were destructive.

While one can feel a bit sorry for someone like Jerry Jones, an owner who might have at least a few values more in common with the folks who pay the bills than the cloud people who make up the remainder of the ownership, the NFL is totally converged - enemy territory. It's dead. Get over it. Burn its maggot-infested carcass. If the SJWs set it ablaze, hand them some gasoline.

Blogger Jourdan October 23, 2017 1:41 PM  

Looking at the attendance numbers, and looking at stills of the crowds from broadcasts, it does not appear to me that the issue has impacted attendance much at all. The exception is Los Cargadores de San Diego, but their issue has fuck all to do with the National Anthem; they just don't belong in Los Angeles.

Chiefs at Raiders Attendance: 55,090 (87%)
Bucs at Bills Attendance: 68,561 (94%)
Panthers at Da Bers Attendance: 61,256 (100%)
Titans at Browns Attendance: 59,061 (81%)
Aint’s at Packers Attendance: 78,380 (100%)
Jags at Colts Attendance: 63,104 (100%)
Cards at LOS ANGELES SUPER SHEEP Att: 73,736 (89%)
Jets at Dolphins Attendance: 65,025 (100%)
Ravens in Scandicuckland Att: 66,751 (91%)
Cowboys at S.F. Attendance: 70,133 (100%)
Seahawks at Giants Attendance: 78,527 (95%)
Bengals at Kneelers Attendance: 65,653 (100%)
Broncos at Cargadores de San Diego, whoops no Los Angeles, no fuck that, the Chargers aren’t from Los Angeles, I don’t care what they say. Fuck the Chargers all the way back to San Diego where they belong.

Attendance: 25,388 fucking losers.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 23, 2017 3:27 PM  

There are lots of season ticket holders. The physical attendance is unlikely to be impacted very drastically in the short term. After all, they're not cheap and most people don't want to waste what was already paid for. The MPAI factor is always there as well.

Blogger Student in Blue October 23, 2017 4:26 PM  

@112. dvdivx
VD - Do you think being a SJW is inheritable? Like a morally sick version of altruism gone wrong? Interesting about his father.

Think about how many SJWs are produced from colleges. Also consider that children learn a lot from their parents, both good and bad behaviour, simply by watching.

Blogger tuberman October 23, 2017 4:33 PM  

"Panthers at Da Bers Attendance: 61,256 (100%)"

Yeah, I saw a picture of this game, 10+ minutes into first quarter, and had the stands in it. There were at minimum 33% and likely 35% of the seats empty. No doubt the seats were sold, but that's even worse.

Identity Politics is the point. If you people are addicted to your circus performers and can't give it up, go to High School football games, and make it with the majority of the players White. Not talking White Supremacy here, just Identity.

How many of you really believe the stats put out by the NFL? the MSM? Yeah, and the God-Emperor's popularity is down in the dumps too, even though the economy is up and jobs are up.

Give me some more NFL LYING STATS.

Anonymous Nope! October 23, 2017 4:48 PM  

really? cause those empty seats have nothing to do with the horrible teams represented. reach further and try harder.

Blogger tuberman October 23, 2017 4:56 PM  

Nope! wrote:really? cause those empty seats have nothing to do with the horrible teams represented. reach further and try harder.

The point was obvious-- NFL stats claimed 100% attendance, but in reality, the picture shows less then 67% attendance. The point was about the NFL misrepresenting the amount of people there. So, Nope, Nope!

My second point is, this is about Identity Politics, and if some of you wish to take a hidden blue-pill so things can remain like in the past, go ahead. Just watch the normies pass you by.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 23, 2017 5:54 PM  

@117- Sunk Cost Fallacy?


A football league does not need 12 billion in revenue to sustain itself. They have a lot of room to cut back.

http://dailysignal.com/2017/10/23/bill-stop-tax-dollars-subsidizing-nfl/

Blogger rcocean October 23, 2017 7:28 PM  

The owners see this downturn as temporary. They're also looking into expanding overseas. Mexico, London, etc. They seem to regard their fans the same way a drug peddler regards his junkies. Myself, I've given up the NFL drug, and never felt better.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 23, 2017 7:28 PM  

Arie the Leftist troll: White is a colour.

Warmest regards,
Your "Friends of Colour" of the English Defence League.

Anonymous Muh Talmudvision October 23, 2017 10:03 PM  

Attendance doesn't really matter because in most towns all of the tickets are pre-sold anyway and there are waiting lists several years long for the right to purchase season tickets. Manifest low attendance showing up in blimp shots is just potentially embarrassing and a potential propaganda win for team MAGA.

The bulk of the money is the television contracts that the NFL is able to get Fox/CBS/ESPN et al into bidding wars over for the valuable, advertising-revenue producing content. Getting the television ratings to slip and the advertising revenue to fall proportionately is the Achilles heel of the NFL. Disgusted NFL fans really don't even need to sit out their home team's games on television - just cutting out the 2+ other games a week that they passively watch involving other teams would do tremendous financial damage.

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