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Monday, October 09, 2017

Jerry knows business

ESPN provides an inside look at the fecklessness of both the NFL league office and the owners:
Going forward, however, some owners preferred a league-wide directive. Dan Snyder, the Washington Redskins' owner and who declined to comment through a spokesman, argued that the protests needed to end because of the danger that the issue posed to the league's bottom line. A "$40 million" NFL sponsor was considering pulling out, he told his fellow owners. Snyder kept repeating "$40 million" to add emphasis, amusing a clique of owners who did the math and realized that, after the players' cut of the shared revenue, it amounted to considerably less than $1 million per club -- hardly a game-changing sum for a league that last year had an average per-team profit of $101 million.

In the meeting, many owners wanted to speak, but the discussion soon was "hijacked," in the words of one owner, by Jones, a $1 million contributor to Trump's inaugural committee fund and who declined comment through a spokesman. The blunt Hall of Famer mentioned that he had spoken by phone, more than once over the past 24 hours, with Trump. Jones said the president, who only a few years ago tried to buy the Buffalo Bills, had no intention of backing down from his criticism of the NFL and its players. Jones -- who a day earlier for Monday Night Football in Arizona had orchestrated a team-wide kneeling before the anthem ahead of rising to stand when it started to play -- repeated his refrain that the protests weren't good for the NFL in the long run. Most agreed, but some felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience. There was a general, if fanciful, consensus that even a short-term financial hit could benefit the league in the long term, especially if the league and the union could join in solidarity behind a single plan. That's how the league's marketing department was planning to proceed, even if some of the rough ideas fell flat. One idea had all players wearing a patch on their jerseys that would read, "Team America." An owner briefed on the proposal simply shook his head: "We need to do better than that."

By the time Jones concluded his remarks -- and by the time the meeting ended in the early evening -- nobody had pitched a concrete plan about how to move forward.
Apparently Jerry has had enough of everyone pussyfooting around the players.
Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Sunday any player who disrespects the flag will not play.

Jones’ comments, the strongest made on the anthem controversy, came after he was asked about Vice President Mike Pence leaving the game in Indianapolis early after several San Francisco 49ers players took a knee during the national anthem.

"I know this, we cannot ... in the NFL in any way give the implication that we tolerate disrespecting the flag," he said following the Cowboys’ 35-31 loss to the Green Bay Packers. "We know that there is a serious debate in this country about those issues, but there is no question in my mind that the National Football League and the Dallas Cowboys are going to stand up for the flag. So we're clear."
Translation: I told you Trump wouldn't back down and the fans obviously hate it. So knock it off, because it's bad for bidness.

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Blogger Furthest Right October 09, 2017 3:34 PM  

Even money says that the NFL has permanently lost many former fans. They don't understand that we are tired of being inundated with this malarkey.

Now to just get Mom to stop watching it...

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 09, 2017 3:37 PM  

So the Cowboys and the Redskins are a cut above the rest. That’s my takeaway.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 09, 2017 3:40 PM  

They've lost my family. No team signs or banners flying in my neighborhood or town. People used to paint their houses in team colors. None of that this year.

They need to be pulled off the anti trust teat. And fail and close up shop.

Blogger Mr. Naron October 09, 2017 3:41 PM  

I knew there was a significant contingent of owners and league suits who thought the SJW pose would help them win over fans who are leaving because of the CTE scare. Notice how that rarely comes up these days. But it's a fantasy as the OP asserts. The excitement of the controversy will wear off fast, and the SJW fans will move on. The base apolitical/right wing fans won't soon forget.

There is one comprehensive solution to the whole thing that would buy the NFL massive amounts of good will.

Fire Goodell.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2017 3:42 PM  

I agree with the owners who say that it has to be a league wide policy. And it needs to come directly from the commissioner's office. Anything less will be considered inadequate by the fans. Ideally, it would be accompanied by a sincere sounding apology to the fans, but that's probably asking too much.

> Even money says that the NFL has permanently lost many former fans

That's a given. This is the NFL equivalent of the baseball's 94-95 lockout. It took them years to recover and some fans never came back.

Blogger Chris Lutz October 09, 2017 3:42 PM  

I like how they act that a $40 million dollar sponsor is chump change. They obviously don't understand, that like a run on a bank, once it gains momentum it's hard to stop.

Snyder gets it because he has had to suffer with the stupid mascot protests.

There was a general, if fanciful, consensus that even a short-term financial hit could benefit the league in the long term, especially if the league and the union could join in solidarity behind a single plan. That's how the league's marketing department was planning to proceed, even if some of the rough ideas fell flat.

Fanciful is the understatement of the year. Marketing shouldn't be involved. They are probably the most converged part of the organization. And what new fans do they expect to get? Honestly, the NFL pretty much maxed out on fans this past decade.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2017 3:44 PM  

> Fire Goodell.

I wish. But that probably won't happen till the TV contract money starts going down, at which point he's history.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 09, 2017 3:45 PM  

"One idea had all players wearing a patch on their jerseys that would read, 'Team America.' An owner briefed on the proposal simply shook his head: 'We need to do better than that.'"

"Team America"

Obviously, NFL Marketing is way, way too short for this ride.

Anonymous Robert the Wise October 09, 2017 3:46 PM  

"-some felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience."

Just like Marvel Comics, the NFL thinks there's this "new audience" out there somewhere and if they can just get this "new audience" they can ditch their old fans and do whatever they want. Wrong. Muslims aren't lining up to buy Ms. Marvel. Blacks aren't buying Black Panther and all the people who want to watch football are already watching it.

Who would this new fanbase consist of? BLM? Antifa? ISIS? How many America-hating football fans are out there?

The NFL is run by delusional idiots. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Blogger daddynichol October 09, 2017 3:47 PM  

$101 million profit average per TEAM? Next time, build your own damn stadium.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 09, 2017 3:48 PM  

Snyder kept repeating "$40 million" to add emphasis, amusing a clique of owners who did the math and realized that, after the players' cut of the shared revenue, it amounted to considerably less than $1 million per club -- hardly a game-changing sum for a league that last year had an average per-team profit of $101 million.


Shows how smug and short sighted many of the owners are. Eh, 40 million? That is less than a million per team. They fail to realize how many dominoes fall after one 40 million contracts pulls out. All it takes is 1 major contract to get the ball rolling and suddenly 5-6 others find a spine. Those 7 get rewarded and make the other sponsors hanging on look bad by comparison and the boycotts start in earnest. Next thing you know you are losing 20-30 contracts. Now how does the math work? Seem like a little problem now? Good luck clawing back those who left at this point.


Most agreed, but some felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience.

Yep all those SJWs, feminists and 3rd world Somali's will be flocking to games and buying jerseys any minute now. That strategy is working wonders for SF-F book sales, and comics sales and network TV show ratings and the film industry etc. etc.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 09, 2017 3:50 PM  

"Team America" - someone ronry?

Blogger Desdichado October 09, 2017 3:50 PM  

Jones' stance is too little too late. He got burned bad by trying to play both sides and getting lambasted as video went viral of him kneeling with his team.

Anonymous JAG October 09, 2017 3:51 PM  

Most agreed, but some felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience.

Go ahead and whistle right passed that graveyard. It's a bold strategy, Cotton.

-- nobody had pitched a concrete plan about how to move forward.

The plan is simple:

1) Fire Roger Goodell effective immediately.

2) Sincere public apology, and assurances that the NFL is out of the politics business for good.

3) Make the media networks adhere to the new "no politics" rule during broadcasts. Failure to do so will result in contracts not being renewed. Hell, make the NFL PPV if necessary.

4) All players disrespecting the flag & anthem subject to fines, suspensions, and expulsions for this offense.

Boom! Problem solved, good will recovered, and bright future ahead. But since leftists are involved we know they will do the contrary thing as is their nature.

I doubt even Jerry Jones is powerful enough to convince a leftist that they are wrong. He's playing with fire, actually. There are pictures of him on the net right now that the Eye of Sauron could gaze upon, and Weinstein Jerry right out of the NFL.

Blogger Elocutioner October 09, 2017 3:51 PM  

Gamers, er, NFL fans are dead.

They can get their shiny new decree from Goodell if they want, but they already crossed the Rubicon.

Anonymous Nick October 09, 2017 3:53 PM  

At least a dozen 49ers took a knee, saying it was "several" is a media tactic to soften the insult. Two years ago I couldn't have imagined they would become the most anti-American football team in the NFL (as many as 20 players took a knee recently). I was once a big fan, now the Forty Thugs are squarely in my rearview mirror. Guys like Joe Montana and Jerry Rice must be hanging their heads in disgust for whats been done to the reputation of this franchise.

Anonymous johnc October 09, 2017 3:54 PM  

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Sunday any player who disrespects the flag will not play.

So what if all the team players decide they're going to "disrespect" the flag? Will Mr. Jones force the team to forfeit the game? Or is this another empty threat that he couldn't possibly follow through with?

Blogger dc.sunsets October 09, 2017 3:57 PM  

The NFL is a microcosm of the USA. Black, white & green, and no, we can't all just get along.

Blogger Chris Lutz October 09, 2017 3:58 PM  

JAG wrote:
The plan is simple:

1) Fire Roger Goodell effective immediately.

2) Sincere public apology, and assurances that the NFL is out of the politics business for good.

3) Make the media networks adhere to the new "no politics" rule during broadcasts. Failure to do so will result in contracts not being renewed. Hell, make the NFL PPV if necessary.

4) All players disrespecting the flag & anthem subject to fines, suspensions, and expulsions for this offense.


Item #4 is simply, follow the existing rules. That right there is why Goodell should be fire. He can't follow the league's own policies. A smart guy would have quickly notified the teams of the rules and telling the next time the hammer drops. If MSESPN got in a huff, simply state those are the rules and we'll discuss them after the season.

I like #3. I would make any violations a banning from talking with players and coaches for a minimum of one week. Anyone caught talking with them gets fined.

Blogger Chris Lutz October 09, 2017 4:02 PM  

@17 If the whole team did it no. But he could play all of the third string guys and order Garett to throw the game. Four straight dive plays on every offensive snap. On defense, let the defensive know that any play who makes a tackle gets cut. They are the making the league minimum, they'll follow orders. The big money guys watching their contract incentives go bye-bye will get the message to. In all honesty, it would be hilarious to watch.

Anonymous Cusefan44 October 09, 2017 4:04 PM  

They'll wait to fire Goodell until the revenue has dropped substantially. At that point its too late to recover, you've already condemned the business.

I think Jones move puts huge pressure on the owners. If the Cowboys players kneel, and the owners don't back a fellow owner - the league unity they've managed to maintain is broken forever. Even if Jones can't do as he claims here, he's put the other owners in a terrible bind.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2017 4:05 PM  

> Jones' stance is too little too late.

Maybe not for Cowboy fans. But for the general fan? Yes.

> The plan is simple:

Sound pretty good. On point 4): $50K fine for a first offense. One game suspension for a second offense. One year suspension for a third offense. A complete ban for a fourth offense. Sound reasonable?

There is one point missing though. Crack down on ESPN's coverage. If they want to broadcast the NFL, they also have to do away with the politics.

> Will Mr. Jones force the team to forfeit the game?

That's a good question. Let's wait and see.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2017 4:08 PM  

Ah, I see you did cover ESPN in the "media networks" clause. I took that to be the news coverage, but it would apply. I apologize.

Anonymous Grayman October 09, 2017 4:09 PM  

@18,

Can we give the players melee weapons then, and step things up a notch?

Blogger tuberman October 09, 2017 4:13 PM  

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Blogger Dave W. October 09, 2017 4:13 PM  

The Dolphins yesterday implemented a new team policy: stand or stay in the locker room.

DAVIE, Fla. -- Miami Dolphins head coach Adam Gase implemented a team-wide policy for players to stand on the sidelines during the national anthem before Sunday's victory over the Tennessee Titans.

Dolphins players also have the option to stay in the tunnel or locker room during introductions, Gase confirmed.

Blogger Desdichado October 09, 2017 4:17 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> Jones' stance is too little too late.

Maybe not for Cowboy fans. But for the general fan? Yes.

I was a little kid in Texas in the late 70s during the heyday of Roger Staubach, but I was a stubborn, suspicious iconoclast even then, skeptical of anything that everybody else liked. Just like any good Texan could be.

So I decided that the Cowboys weren't my team, and that's never changed. So no; Jerry's wishy-washiness isn't enough to convince me of anything other than that he's just a little bit sharper than the rest of the league in seeing the writing on the wall—but not sharp enough to have avoided stepping on the landmine in the first place.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville October 09, 2017 4:18 PM  

@9 Who would this new fanbase consist of? BLM? Antifa? ISIS? How many America-hating football fans are out there?

Oh but Soy Boi and Pajama Boy would make great new NFL fans. They'll wear pink all season long.

Blogger tuberman October 09, 2017 4:18 PM  

Now comes the pressure from major internal and powerful outside SJWs, shouting, "You must, you must, DOUBLE DOWN!

And, the book says, there will be leaks to any part-way "solutions", then they will prove to double down. Any half-hearted crap will make this worse.

Blogger Dalrock October 09, 2017 4:19 PM  

One thing I haven't seen discussed is the loss of goodwill. The NFL had incredible goodwill, in a way that other sports did not. NFL films over decades framed NFL players as warriors fighting the good fight. As something noble & heroic. They did a great job, and it worked. Now instead of noble and heroic, they seem like SJW crybullies.

Blogger Alec Rawls October 09, 2017 4:20 PM  

Even Jones is clueless: “there is a serious debate in this country about those issues [blacks supposedly being murdered by racist police].” No, it is an utterly fraudulent issue.

Fans’ anger isn’t just about the flag. It is also about the lying slander against our police by a group, directly represented by player protest leader Kaepernick, that is agitating for and engaging in widespread murder of the police.

Anyone who would take a knee for that, or link arms with that (as Jones did), or even tolerate teammates doing that, is dead to every NFL fan who has any awareness of the issue.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 09, 2017 4:20 PM  

The NFL nerfs itself the one year the Vikings are on a collision course with a home Super Bowl victory.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2017 4:22 PM  

Somewhat on topic, Gab is reporting a twitter post saying that Jemele Hill has bee suspended for two weeks: https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/917469637033512960

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 09, 2017 4:26 PM  

James Dixon wrote:Will Mr. Jones force the team to forfeit the game?

That's a good question. Let's wait and see.


If he is smart he will. That will put the issue to rest with the team. Play-off and Super bowl appearances equate to bonus pay. Forfeiting games is not the way to get those extra dollars.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs October 09, 2017 4:31 PM  

@20: throwing the game, per se, is likely illegal. But playing the third-string guys would likely have the same effect, even if they tried their hardest.

Further, my understanding is that the NFL "contracts" are highly disposable (let a player go and the contract evapourates). Pick one or two of the ring leaders and let them go. If they're any good, they'll probably land a new contract elsewhere, but it probably won't be as good a contract.

Oh, and Happy (Canadian) Thanksgiving to y'all.

Anonymous Michael Maier October 09, 2017 4:31 PM  

"$101 million profit average per TEAM? Next time, build your own damn stadium. "

In the 1990s he #2 guy at MICROSOFT (2nd richest man in the world at the time) spent a quarter mil on ads to get tens of millions from the taxpayers of Seattle/WA for the new Seahawks stadium.

The voters are retarded. Why not rob them blind?

Blogger Pteronarcyd October 09, 2017 4:31 PM  

"[S]ome [owners] felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience."

How do people so far out of touch with reality make enough money to afford an NFL team?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2017 4:34 PM  

"some felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience."

Mexicans and Brits?

One of the NFL's favorite statistics is 40% -- that's the female percentage of their viewership. I'd guess maybe 5-10% actually like to watch the game of football, play after play. The rest are there because the league has (masterfully) built it into a social occasion, with league clothing and gifts you can blow your money on, patriotic and charitable tie-ins to turn the games into "events," tailgating and fantasy leagues so you're always consuming the product with your friends, etc. They took the game and wrapped it in all this other stuff to make it this thing that drew in that big batch of new women fans, plus I'm sure some men who probably wouldn't watch just for the game either. And they managed to do it without driving away many of the real football fans, because the game was still the game.

It's a huge fan base, but a large part of it isn't there for the football alone; it's there for the whole package. And part of that package is the "Football is Family" and patriotic stuff. If you take that away, or give it a bad taste, that's going to hurt. And since they're not really there for the football specifically, that means if some other sport can offer the same overall package, they won't hesitate to bolt. They have to put a stop to it.

Jerry's smart enough to get that. Apparently some of them aren't. Reading the article, I wonder if some of them need help tying their shoes.

I'm not surprised Snyder is talking sense, either. He's certainly no SJW; he's stuck with the Redskins name even though the Left has tried to force him to change it for years, right there in one of their major strongholds.

Anonymous Jordi October 09, 2017 4:35 PM  

Will viewergate follow gamergate ?

Or will America drop football of soccer ?

Maybe both ?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2017 4:37 PM  

Obviously, NFL Marketing is way, way too short for this ride.

The day they run with the motto "Team America," the chans will freaking explode with activity.

Blogger Azimus October 09, 2017 4:39 PM  

"...said following the Cowboys’ 35-31 loss to the Green Bay Packers..."

Sweet, sweet music.

Blogger tuberman October 09, 2017 4:40 PM  

Pteronarcyd wrote:"[S]ome [owners] felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience."

How do people so far out of touch with reality make enough money to afford an NFL team?


Although, the owners for years have been externally using Nationalism to further their fan base (plays well with the Civic Nationalist's crowd), among each other they've been talking INTERNATIONAL, as in, this NFL thing will go world-wide, and it will be hard to turn that mind-set as they want to believe that the whole world was waiting for their product.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 09, 2017 4:41 PM  

NFL owners plus NFL marketing proves you don't have to be smart to get rich.

Blogger Cinco October 09, 2017 4:42 PM  

Will Mr. Jones force the team to forfeit the game?

Lest we forget about how the bonus systems work, because the players haven't...

Blogger LonestarWhacko October 09, 2017 4:44 PM  

Yeah, that whole family friendly thing....once that's broken.....imo, the Trump-Pence walkout strategy is lethal. Folks love firm consistent leadership. That makes a walkout real likely.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2017 4:44 PM  

> And since they're not really there for the football specifically...

All the rules changes over the past few years have been doing their best to drive real football fans away. How long would Jack Tatum or Jack Lambert last in the league today?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2017 4:46 PM  

Item #4 is simply, follow the existing rules.

Not quite. The guidelines about standing for the anthem with your helmet in your left hand (not the right) are in the Game Manual, which outlines things like when the teams are supposed to be on the field before the game, where equipment belongs, that kind of thing. They aren't in the rule book the way they are in the NFL.

That ultimately doesn't matter, because Goodell has the power from the CBA to do whatever discipline he likes "for the good of the league." But it gives them just a little bit of cover for continuing to waffle.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 09, 2017 4:46 PM  

The day America cares about soccer will be the day it is no longer America.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 09, 2017 4:57 PM  

Obviously, NFL Marketing is way, way too short for this ride.

The bit about it "gaining a new audience" sounds very much like marketing talk. Marketing people are always convinced there's some set of untapped suckers that are just waiting for the right ad campaign to hand over all their money. Witness all the bank ads featuring blacks (which also demonstrate their complete disconnect from reality).

especially if the league and the union could join in solidarity behind a single plan

Would that be the same union that has already virtually guaranteed a labor stoppage in 2021, before the impact of their current troubles on the salary cap are even known? The owners believe those guys are allies?

Are both these delusions the result of pompous rich asses getting a terrible case of TDS? Next thing you know, they'll be putting "#RESIST" patches on the unis, and wondering why the only response is laughter.

Anonymous Jim October 09, 2017 5:00 PM  

Just stop the dumb kneeling. That’s all they have to do. Back to business and wife beating.

Blogger Jimmy Glover October 09, 2017 5:08 PM  

Anyone remember "Playmakers"? It was ESPN's top rated show while it was on, but the NFL said cut that crap out. So they did. Hill messed with the dollars.

NFL say "jump", ESPN asks "was that high enough?"

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 09, 2017 5:11 PM  

Saw an article earlier today, some brilliant sports writer figured out that Pence walking out of the game was a planned act. I believe the article was published in a newspaper called The Daily Really! No Sh*t! Chronicle

Blogger exfarmkid October 09, 2017 5:11 PM  

32. VFM #6306 "The NFL nerfs itself the one year the Vikings are on a collision course with a home Super Bowl victory."

Just had to jinx it, eh?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 09, 2017 5:21 PM  

Its comical. Its the same as when TGE won. The odds that the various MSM outlets had for TGE winning were around 2 - 5%. But that was ridiculous. The nationwide polling was within the margin of error. And TGE was pulling in huge crowds of 50,000 at rallies being held in states that were thought to be Democrat strongholds. Meanwhile Hillary was having trouble filling up high school gyms in Red cities.

But, the MSM just couldn't conceive that Trump could win because it was simply outside of their conception of how the world works. The same thing is going on with their coverage of Trump. Trump's WH is in disarray and he isn't getting anything done, because that is how the world works. In their minds Trump can't succeed, so he isn't and any evidence that he is is simply not seen. Its a willful blindness needed to preserve their conception of the world. And the same thing is going on with the NFL situation. A successful counter attack in the culture wars just doesn't happen. They are confused and panicked. And the TGE wants them to be, so he will continue to push his advantage.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 09, 2017 5:22 PM  

Never, ever forget. Journalists are dumb rich kids who couldn't get into law school.

Blogger Chris Lutz October 09, 2017 5:25 PM  

@52 Like kneeling for the anthem has been spontaneous.

Anonymous krymneth October 09, 2017 5:29 PM  

tuberman wrote:Although, the owners for years have been externally using Nationalism to further their fan base (plays well with the Civic Nationalist's crowd), among each other they've been talking INTERNATIONAL, as in, this NFL thing will go world-wide, and it will be hard to turn that mind-set as they want to believe that the whole world was waiting for their product.

Which even more clearly shows how stupid they are, because why on Earth would Social Justicing up the NFL increase their international appeal when "social justice" is a phenomenon isolated to a minority of the Anglosphere and Europe, and in which the international SJWs are no more likely to become football fans than the local ones are.

If you want to increase the international appeal, you need to lean in to the nationalistic aspects so that people have a reason to follow Their Team, and you sure aren't going to attract a new audience of any kind by lecturing them on... well... anything, really.

SJWs have bubbled themselves up into a world where they can convince themselves that everybody in the world thinks like them except for these weirdly unique reprobates in the rural US, when in reality they are incredibly isolated and grotesquely outnumbered in the world as a whole, especially once you subtract out the people being paid off to publicly agree with the SJWs but who turn on them quickly and violently once the payouts stop coming.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2017 5:35 PM  

All the rules changes over the past few years have been doing their best to drive real football fans away.

True. That's my #1 reason for watching less in recent years. I'll be watching, and the QB lobs a pass a little short on a 3rd-and-long, the WR comes back for it and runs into the DB, and because the DB can't have eyes in the back of his head to watch both the player he's guarding and the ball, he runs into him and draws one of the harshest possible penalties. That's often when I decide I've had enough NFL for the day.

But I realize I'm not the demographic they care about. I don't buy merchandise or tickets, I don't think I buy any of the stuff that gets advertised during games (let's see, phone plans, phones, Microsoft junk, new cars and trucks, military family insurance, fantasy gambling, weak beer, fast food....nope), and I watch on free broadcast TV. Anyone who has cable with ESPN "supports" the NFL more than I do, whether they watch it or not. So I don't expect the league to give a damn about my opinion.

Blogger Matamoros October 09, 2017 5:36 PM  

I saw where Kapaernik allegedly said he'd agree to stand if someone would hire him.

Two stories of interest:

ESPN Suspends Employee Jemele Hill For Requesting Boycott Against NFL and ESPN
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/10/09/espn-suspends-employee-jemele-hill-for-requesting-boycott-against-nfl-and-espn/

Justice for Jessica – Jury Selection Begins in Jessica Chambers Murder Trial…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/10/09/justice-for-jessica-jury-selection-begins-in-jessica-chambers-murder-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-4475143

Anonymous FP October 09, 2017 5:38 PM  

Ooops, ESPN done stepped in it now. Suspending Hill? Why, ESPN is now in league with Trump! Boycott ESPN!

So much winning.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 09, 2017 5:58 PM  

ESPN Suspends Employee Jemele Hill For Requesting Boycott Against NFL and ESPN

ESPN rayciss! So RAYciss!

Blogger SemiSpook37 October 09, 2017 6:14 PM  

Well, not surprised that Jerruh is doing this. You could argue too little, too late, but given this has been his stance since last season, he’s been consistent. The knee before the Arizona game is probably what reinforced his stance.

(((SNYDER))) is the surprise, to me. Granted, he’s only looking at the money side of it, but at least he’s understanding that this crap is affecting the bottom line.

As for Ms. Hill: somebody wrote a book on that type of crap recently. Wonder where I heard about that, and from whom?

Blogger Matamoros October 09, 2017 6:17 PM  

Had my comment on The Conservative Tree House deleted when I mentioned that Jessica Chambers was a victim of "burn the coal, pay the toll."

Anonymous Anonymous October 09, 2017 6:24 PM  

"...some felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience."

NASCAR thought the same thing, but insulting your fan base to court nebulous future fans that might exist does not work. If those people liked your sport they'd already be watching and virtue signaling isn't going to change that. Ask NASCAR how all those new fans worked out.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 09, 2017 6:33 PM  

@64 - It's standard executive fantasy thinking: "We'll make changes to our show to appeal to some 'market segment' that has never had any interest in it and will never see the changes we made just for them. Just watch the ratings and money flow now!"

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) October 09, 2017 6:41 PM  

Fans’ anger isn’t just about the flag. It is also about the lying slander against our police by a group, directly represented by player protest leader Kaepernick, that is agitating for and engaging in widespread murder of the police.

NWA was right. Fuck the police.

Blogger Lazarus October 09, 2017 6:42 PM  

Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club wrote:@64 - It's standard executive fantasy thinking: "We'll make changes to our show to appeal to some 'market segment' that has never had any interest in it and will never see the changes we made just for them. Just watch the ratings and money flow now!"

They take the base for granted and plan from there. The base has become increasingly dissatisfied over the years. And then they decide to insult them.

Sharp.

On another note, If you have ESPN in a bundle on cable and you don't watch it they are still getting your money, and mocking you at the same time.

Anonymous BBGKB October 09, 2017 6:45 PM  

I hope the niglets keep going down on their knees, its the only realistic depiction of blacks on fake news TV.

Any chance of getting T shirts made that say

BOYCOTT NFL
TEBOW RULE=CANT PRAY
Owners are pleased with their
blacks down on their knees

felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience

BI and LARGE faggots don't watch football. I assume they want an audience with buying power.

One idea had all players wearing a patch on their jerseys that would read, "Team America."

Isn't that a copywrited movie?

I saw where Kapaernik allegedly said he'd agree to stand if someone would hire him.

Weinstein might take him up on that.

OT: One less competitor for Castalia house
Paladin press closing in Dec, sale going on. Get your badthink books while you still can.


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Blogger wrf3 October 09, 2017 6:45 PM  

Matamoros wrote:I saw where Kapaernik allegedly said he'd agree to stand if someone would hire him.
Another story of interest:

Miami Dolphins Coach Resigns

The incriminating video was posted by Las Vegas model Kijuana Nige who also tweeted:

“They better leave ppl like Colin Kaepernick alone before I pick off more of’em you know this s--- easy 4 me," she wrote.

She added later: "So is our N---- Colin Kaepernick back good or what?"

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 09, 2017 6:50 PM  

@65
"We'll make changes to our show to appeal to some 'market segment' that has never had any interest in it and will never see the changes we made just for them.

Because the Underpants Gnomes strategy never fails.

Blogger ZhukovG October 09, 2017 6:55 PM  

@Josh: That's another thing that sucks about the protest. It completely removes what little heat there was on police departments to reform their practices.

Blogger Lazarus October 09, 2017 6:58 PM  

wrf3 wrote:“They better leave ppl like Colin Kaepernick alone before I pick off more of’em you know this s--- easy 4 me," she wrote.

Isn't that sorta like BLACKmail?

Blogger Peter Jackson October 09, 2017 7:06 PM  

If the league compels players to stand, are the fans going to feel any better knowing a good number of the players are only standing because of the mandate? You can't put this genie back in the bottle.

I think the NFL's crossed the tipping point. An institution can only handle so much "vibrancy" before it fails.

Anonymous SAK October 09, 2017 7:09 PM  

>"Team America"

>Obviously, NFL Marketing is way, way too short for this ride.

I assumed someone within NFL marketing is black knighting them, because nobody can be that dumb. Can they?

I mean, "Team America", really?

But since the NFL as a whole allowed: "we hate America", to be their new brand I am probably giving them too much credit.

MPAI, of all Voxisms, has to be both the most obvious and yet hardest to accept or: Poe's law is powerful Ju-ju.

Blogger Lazarus October 09, 2017 7:12 PM  

They had a rehearsed) discussion on Monday Night Countdown about the Jones Edict.

Not one of them mentioned that maybe fans go to games to get away from politics. Or that fans even matter.

Blogger YIH October 09, 2017 7:13 PM  

Most agreed, but some felt that even if the league did lose a small percentage of fans due to the protests, it also could gain a new audience.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Delusion

Blogger Cecil Henry October 09, 2017 7:14 PM  

Team America??

The shallowness of their understanding. The paucity of their vision is just appalling.

They embarrass themselves even in thinking such a thing.


They have NO idea what the issues are. Its amazing.

Hint: ITs NOT about Trump.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2017 7:16 PM  

NWA was right.

He may not realize that some of us respect the Heroic Thin Blue Line even less than Kaepernick does. After all, he thinks they're just a danger to black men. I think they're a danger to everyone. He should have stuck with the pig-cop socks.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 09, 2017 7:28 PM  

He may not realize that some of us respect the Heroic Thin Blue Line even less than Kaepernick does.

If #OnlyBlackLivesMatter was serious they would talk a lot about just what the leading cause of death is for black men aged 18 - 34.

It's not cops.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2017 7:41 PM  

> Meanwhile Hillary was having trouble filling up high school gyms in Red cities.

Hillary had to bus people in to fill up high school gyms in blue cities.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 09, 2017 7:48 PM  

They already tried a European NFL. About 10 years ago. They announced they were serious about it and committed to the project, confident that it would grow into success.

Yeah, it lasted a year or two and then they bailed. They left all the European investors out to dry.

Blogger Wishing Star October 09, 2017 7:50 PM  

This playing out like the book World War Z. Everyone, including myself at times, is trying to behave as though we're in a phase. It won't get real until something is scratching at our doors. When the president is facing off with the NFL, surely the terror is on the corner scanning the neighborhood.

Anonymous Big bark. Not so much bite. October 09, 2017 7:59 PM  

Im not starting to get teally pissed off that the stadiums are built with taxpayer funds. That needs to stop. Let the owners and the players fund the stadiums not tbe taxpayers. Many taxpayers have no interest in pro sports.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2017 8:07 PM  

> Many taxpayers have no interest in pro sports.

I believe you misspelled most.

Blogger Fifty Seven October 09, 2017 8:08 PM  

@72

"Isn't that sorta like BLACKmail?"

Ahem. I believe the correct term is 'Mail of Color'.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2017 8:10 PM  

> They already tried a European NFL.

Well, with a name like we laugh (WLAF), what did you expect?

Blogger Lazarus October 09, 2017 8:16 PM  

Oct 22 is the next Cowboys game against the Forty-Kneelers.

What is Jones actually going to do if Dak and Dez dis the flag then?

Blogger Stilicho October 09, 2017 8:24 PM  

Sure, the NFL is hemorraging viewers over its support of BLM/Antifa, but their marketing dept says they'll make it up in volume.

On the other hand, one tends to suspect that Antifa has the same aversion to football that they have to soap.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 09, 2017 8:45 PM  

@2

"So the Cowboys and the Redskins are a cut above the rest."

And that teams named:
COWBOYS -- a term associated exclusively with the US of A when overseas

and REDSKINS -- the domestic arch-enemies of the young U.S of A

...have the most patriotic (or at least sensible, not willing to push the Culture War to their own financial demise) must have the SJWs in fits.

Anonymous Chrome Dynamo October 09, 2017 8:49 PM  

My prediction, FWIW:

The players will "stand" and link arms instead of hand over heart to show their disrespect. jerry jones is a cuck-a-doodle-doo whose fence straddling would hurt if he had any balls. He knelt with the tattooed thugs because they are his doggie bowl to money.

The TV at my mansion does not get turned on for any kneegro football antics since 1st game of last year.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 09, 2017 9:25 PM  

You can't put this genie back in the bottle.

I think the NFL's crossed the tipping point. An institution can only handle so much "vibrancy" before it fails.


Yep, I completely agree. The players made it about race and - at a time when Americans are pondering their nationality - make it really, really clear a huge number of Black athletes don't consider themselves part of the same nation as White Americans.

You can't re-bottle that genie in less than a couple of generations.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2017 9:36 PM  

One thing about Jerry Jones: I'm pretty sure the Cowboys are his full-time business. Some pro sports owners make their money elsewhere, so their team is basically a toy that doesn't need to make money. Jones bought the Cowboys for $150M and has built it up to over $4B. His three kids all work in the family business. He doesn't intend to risk all that. I think he will sit star players if he thinks that's what he has to do to protect his brand. And he laid down the law right after the game so the players would have as much time as possible (two weeks, actually, since next week is their bye week) to cool down after their reaction and get used to the idea.

Blogger Lazarus October 09, 2017 9:43 PM  

Jones may throw the season. If he does it right, the Cowboys WILL actually be America's team. Buying cowboys gear will be a way of protesting the protests.

Blogger Skyler the Weird October 09, 2017 9:57 PM  

Jemele was calling for a boycott of Jerry's Sponsors who also happened to be MSESPN's sponsors. Don't boycott those who pay the bills

Anonymous DMV October 09, 2017 10:50 PM  

I WAS a Cowboy fan. No more. Jerry Jones blew it when the whole team took a knee to appease the anti-American useful idiots. After that stunt, I not only don't care if they ever win another game, it was most satisfying to see them lose it in the last seconds. And I hope Jerry Jones never sees another Super Bowl for the rest of his opportunistic life. I'm finished with the NFL. My declared enemy does not get my support.

Blogger Lazarus October 09, 2017 11:28 PM  

I am looking at the Monday nite football game. Stadium is full.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 09, 2017 11:29 PM  

"Team America"... REALLY? Aside from there actually being IP issues with that, it's quite clear that the Marketing department isn't American.

I disavow my previous suggestion to put the NFL Office in Point Barrow, Alaska. They should burn down the NYC one, bring out Priests (Catholic & Orthodox) and have them run a exorcism. Then put the office deep in the hills of West Virginia.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 10, 2017 12:16 AM  

The NFL is a fully converged organization. How many years have the "breast cancer awareness month" shenanigans been going on? Any updates on prostate cancer research which likely will impact every single person associated with the NFL directly or indirectly? No?

Can't wear shoes or socks or armbands to show your support for conservative or politically neutral causes?

Constant preaching about domestic violence? Constant belittling of men in general?

One thing I've noticed as a constant refrain in ALL media reporting of the fall off in viewers - they always throw in there that it is possibly due to concerns about concussions.

Seriously? Let me ask all the NFL fans - have you ever considered turning off the game and quitting being a fan because you were concerned about the player's long term health?

Blogger weka October 10, 2017 4:18 AM  

You forgot to add without any morals. If you would not sell your mother into slavery you will not make it in the cesspit that is modern journalism.

The honest guys have been sacked, have left, of are now Antifragility.

Anonymous Constitutional War Fighter October 10, 2017 6:06 AM  

The stadiums are full and the ratings are still good. This whole situation is “fake news” from Trump and the racists. Well guess what? You racists will never take OUR game. Don’t watch the NFL. We will replace you handful of racists with younger, more colorful demographics.

Blogger Stilicho October 10, 2017 7:08 AM  

To be fair, when Sheniqua turns the national anthem into a negro spiritual before a game, the players could be forgiven for not recognizing it.

Have the bears players been kneeling? A coworker told me none have (apparently based on Fox's and the owner's positions) but I have seen any of their games myself.

Anonymous Dan October 10, 2017 8:51 AM  

Redskins owner Dan Snyder knows about standing up to political correctness.

At one point a couple of years ago, Obama and all the Democrats in Congress, acting in concert, demanded the Redskins change their name, while the media simultaneously focused all of their SJW energy on the problem, dialing things up to crisis level 11. It became the most problematic thing in the whole world.

"When will you change the name?" Snyder was repeatedly asked. "Never" was the constant reply and none of his executives blinked.

I thought for sure it was game over for them. But eventually the mob lost interest and now it is hardly remarked on. That impressed me.

SJWs, unlike the Communists, don't have gulags. They cannot imprison you without your consent.

What needs to happen now is a purge. Each NFL team now knows who the SJWs are who are trying to kill the league and wear its corpse.

Anonymous Dan October 10, 2017 9:04 AM  

#100 -- Who said anything about race? This is just about the American flag.

Blogger B.J. October 10, 2017 9:29 AM  

Interesting that some owners thing appeasing SJWs will increase their viewership. SJWs don't actually care about the markets they destroy, they just mark it as a win and move on. How many companies need to suicide-dive to the left before they learn this?

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2017 10:04 AM  

> Then put the office deep in the hills of West Virginia.

What did we ever do to you to deserve that?

> The stadiums are full...

The lies never get old, do they. The TV shots of the stands tell the real story.

> How many companies need to suicide-dive to the left before they learn this?

Apparently all of them.

Oh, and the left wing reaction to Hill's suspension is starting: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/09/al-sharpton-jemele-hill-suspension-wont-stand/

Anonymous Iron Spartan October 10, 2017 11:08 AM  

Fuck Jerry Jones. The second his knee touched the ground he lost all credibility on these protests. He's a fucking hypocrite. At least the rest of the kneelers are honest about it.

Anonymous Big bark. Not so much bite. October 10, 2017 1:18 PM  

Actually at my gross income and filing status i havent funded a stadium french fry and the players and owners at their income levels assuming they pay taxes which i would think they do. They are funding a big part of the stadiums. Still its probably not a great idea to use taxpayer money tp fund stadiums. It invites the lib groups into the NFL.

Anonymous Big bark. Not so much bite. October 10, 2017 1:24 PM  

I used to get on Black peoples case sometimes about some of the stuff mentioned here but then i realized i wasnt doing them justice. Based on my life experiences with them they did not deserve the impression i was making of them with my internet comments and i stopped doing that. It wasnt right.

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2017 2:48 PM  

From Gab: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article178071036.html

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2017 3:00 PM  

And more from the WSJ: http://archive.is/2NUOd

Anonymous Pennywise October 10, 2017 4:09 PM  

Jerry is about the dollars. He knows that his players will do what they need to do. He is not going to sideline 10 of his Negroes if they run counter to the wishes of the master.

"Seriously? Let me ask all the NFL fans - have you ever considered turning off the game and quitting being a fan because you were concerned about the player's long term health?"

No. Because normie men will continue to watch the games, buy merchandise, and play Fantasy. The NFL will suffer from the backlash, but in the end, the players will engage in what actions they deem appropriate, regardless of the virtue signaling of the Alt Right. They. Don't. Care.

Blogger Chris White October 14, 2017 12:37 PM  

Its about time for this giant taxpayer funded scam to come crashing down. It has always pissed me off that taxpayers have to spend a single dime to build these billionaires giant moneymaking machines!!!

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