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Monday, October 02, 2017

20+ dead in Vegas shootings

Automatic fire at a country music festival near Mandalay Bay Hotel. Multiple shooters reported and five hotels on lockdown. Attack happened while Jason Aldean was playing. Video of the first two minutes of the attack.

Confirmed reports of 50+ dead, 200+ injured. The clattering sounded like AK-47s on full auto.

No reports yet on whether it is Muslims, Black Lives Matter, or someone else. But it looks like Religion of Peace. ISIS featured the Las Vegas Strip in a video four months ago.

UPDATE: Las Vegas sheriff confirms 20+ dead.

UPDATE: Some of the witnesses are saying the shooters were Mexicans, not Muslim Arabs, and they threatened the crowd before the shooting. The competence and body count is in line with that suggestion.

UPDATE: Possible suspect: Geary Danley from Fayetteville, Arkansas​. He is married to Marilou Danley. Geary is a fan of the The Rachel Maddow Show​ and liked several pages on Facebook​ including Thank You Obama, Anti-Trump Army, Progressive Day, Organizing for Action, Not My President, Proud to Be A Democrat, Fight Trump, Boycott All Things Trump, and Impeach Trump.

UPDATE: The Las Vegas Police Department said the suspected gunman, who was believed to be a local resident, was on 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay hotel. Police responded to the scene, engaged him and he is now dead. Law enforcement officials identified the suspect as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock.

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Blogger Wanderer October 02, 2017 3:08 AM  

Religion of Peace were responsible for two peace attacks yesterday in Canada and France, so it's likely them again.

OpenID doktorjeep October 02, 2017 3:15 AM  

The demographics of the target is revealing enough. The demographics of the perpetrators more later. And more enemies within will de-cloak as well.

"There will be war".

Blogger roughcoat October 02, 2017 3:17 AM  

Some of the audio clips sound like at least two shooters. Full auto, firing in bursts.

My money is on AKs, based on the cyclic rate mostly, but who knows, might be something exotic. Definitely doesn't sound like an AR family gun (too slow) and it just seems pretty unlikely they showed up with a couple belt feds.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 3:26 AM  

the only possible answer to this situation is to STOP OPPRESSING MUSLIMS AND OTHER MINORITY RACES!

IMPORT ALL THE RETARDS!

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 02, 2017 3:29 AM  

This is not a post about crying some more about Gab's implosion.

I'm going to put some money down on NFLivesMatter, since Aldean was on the sjw's target list for the oppression of his Halloween costume.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 02, 2017 3:43 AM  

Me: Somebody shot up a music festival at a casino in Vegas. At least 2 dead.
Daughter: Why would somebody do that?
Me: Because they're Muslim. That's what Muslims do.
Wife: Did they say that?
Me: No
Wife: Then you don't know that! It could be someone else!
Me: Would you care to place a bet?
Wife: ---silence---

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 02, 2017 3:44 AM  

Kryst wrote:all i can say is thank god i didn't go to route91 with my crew this year.
I think I can safely speak for every single person here in saying that we wish you had.

Blogger Sillon Bono October 02, 2017 3:48 AM  

Habening of peace!

Blogger dh October 02, 2017 3:54 AM  

Friend of a friend is at an IT conference right now in Vegas. This is making it's way around Twitter:

https://twitter.com/abbytheodros/status/914735456943607808

I am not enough of a gun person to tell whether that's semi-auto or something modified to be closer to full-auto, but it's certainly not what I think of when I think of a "normal" shooting scenario. It's a lot of rounds.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 02, 2017 3:54 AM  

I don't know anything about firearms. Here is something which claims to be audio of the weapon(s) firing. This sounds bananas:

https://twitter.com/LeftIsEvil3/status/914753394249789440

Blogger S. Thermite October 02, 2017 3:55 AM  

@Snidely Whiplash

+1

(read next comment)

+2

Anonymous Rum Raisin October 02, 2017 3:57 AM  

Give it up, Kryst. We're all familiar with the Stormpanties style guide.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 02, 2017 4:01 AM  

Kryst's piece was actually a good parody of a trending country song.  I'm sorry it's gone from the thread.

Anonymous Kryst October 02, 2017 4:01 AM  

@snide cucklash

shut the fuck up old man you sound like a raging killer muslim or a whiney jew. you think i give a fuck about the kike old farts and zionist faggots here? kratman is cool. steve is cool but he's gay. i would never wish death on anyone here. i even gave (((ted))) the heads up not to go to ireland. i never wished death on anyone. but you, you are a real piece of shit.

you are fucking obsolete and you have no idea who you are talking to.

go take care of your wife and kids and get the fuck off the internet.

Anonymous Larry October 02, 2017 4:04 AM  

#breaking A police source just confirmed to me that more than 20 people are dead.
https://twitter.com/rachelacrosby/status/914758960216817664

Saw another tweet about 35-40 dead.

Anonymous Kryst October 02, 2017 4:04 AM  

Mr. Rational wrote:Kryst's piece was actually a good parody of a trending country song.  I'm sorry it's gone from the thread.
lozozozolzol these people are fucking so old and jewish llzozozololz

Anonymous Crew October 02, 2017 4:14 AM  

And the Democrats will be blaming President Trump in 3..2..1!

Blogger S. Thermite October 02, 2017 4:19 AM  

Damn, the audio in the eyewitness video and the slow response from the performer and crowd is surreal. I shot a Kalashnikov on full-auto back when I was in my early 20's and it seemed faster and louder (and harder to sustain) than the continual pop pop pop pop pop pop pop in the video, but after comparing the sound in this video to some YouTube range videos the tempo matches pretty well.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 02, 2017 4:32 AM  

@18 - People seem to be leaning towards this as the culprit:

http://www.bumpfiresystems.com/

Blogger wreckage October 02, 2017 4:33 AM  

Looks like muesli. BLM is angry but not that kid of angry.

Anonymous Larry October 02, 2017 4:38 AM  

Okay, now the number is supposed to be 50+ dead, according to people helping move bodies into private vehicles (i.e. pickups) for hospital transport.

Blogger Mister Excitement October 02, 2017 4:38 AM  

Holy crap. That first burst was ten full seconds.

I counted at least three extended bursts.

Sadly, I've been expecting this kind of thing for years. Go into any mall during Christmas season. Go to any high school football game.

Go to any large gathering of people.

A dozen of so of these type of attacks will easily outdo the 9/11 bodycount.

Glad I'm closing on a house in the country in two weeks. Good luck city folk.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 02, 2017 4:44 AM  

Shooter was a local. They are looking for his companion- Marylou Danly. 4'11" asian female.

Blogger S. Thermite October 02, 2017 4:44 AM  

@Tatooine

Yeah, a bump fire stock had occurred to me, but if you listen to the first volley of gunfire in the video there are no bursts or pauses, just a steady staccato from the start until presumably the mag is empty. That's quite remarkable if it was a bump fire stock, although they do work better than the old finger-through-the-belt-loop bump fire method.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 02, 2017 4:45 AM  

LV sheriff reported more than 20 dead on ABC.

Blogger AdognamedOp October 02, 2017 4:45 AM  

Police are describing a female accomplice as an "Asian" named Mary Lou Denaley. Weird.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 02, 2017 4:50 AM  

Looks domestic.
I'm leaning BLM on this one.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 02, 2017 4:50 AM  

The hell, that's a crank gun of some kind if I'm not mistaken. The fire rate isn't even, it goes up and down, like some really old crank-machine guns did. I suppose it could be some kind of modified gun or homemade job too (though I doubt it being homemade).

WAY too many rounds for any magazine but a large drum type, so there's a chance of it actually being belt fed too. What the actual ****.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain October 02, 2017 4:51 AM  

@26 I see on her Linkedin page (https://www.linkedin.com/in/marilou-danley-363468b2) that she works/has worked in casinos, like a lot of Vegas Filipina women. Maybe that's how he got into the building or something.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 02, 2017 4:51 AM  

Internet investigators are naming lefty white dude as the shooter:

https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/914774390381862912

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 02, 2017 4:55 AM  

"Asian", "Mary Lou Denaley". Yeah right. More insta-lies screen.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 02, 2017 4:57 AM  

On the other hand, if she's Filipino (while I seriously doubt her name is actually Mary Lou... maybe a fake or taken name) that would seem to pretty much clinch it on the Religion of Peace.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 02, 2017 5:06 AM  

So. Alt-Left.

Anonymous Difster October 02, 2017 5:06 AM  

Vegas PD saying it was a lone shooter. I watched the videos. I don't believe it for a second. Neither do any of my other military friends.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 5:10 AM  

18. S. Thermite October 02, 2017 4:19 AM
but after comparing the sound in this video to some YouTube range videos the tempo matches pretty well.


i've run some stick mags through a Thompson, it seems faster than that. although i also noted that the cyclic rate seemed uneven so ... it could be manually operated gatling?

that's not something that's going to be mobile though.

if the shooter has gone walkabout, then the uneven cyclic rate might be crappy ammo?


if she's Filipino, there's a LOT of muslims out that way.

time to impound Michelle Malkin!




WAY too many rounds for any magazine but a large drum type


yeah, that was a buttload.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 02, 2017 5:11 AM  

I think it sounded like one shooter. The concurrent shots sounded more muffled and I believe were reflected off adjacent buildings, but from the same source.

Anonymous JAG October 02, 2017 5:13 AM  

We must tear down every statue of a Democrat and/or leftist in this country. Likewise we must rename every street, city, county, state, district, and ship named after a leftist.

Leftist hate speech is to blame, and must be outlawed. Leftist hate speech is not free speech.

Anonymous NobodyExpects October 02, 2017 5:14 AM  

My condolences.

Blogger S. Thermite October 02, 2017 5:20 AM  

20+ kills from such long, inaccurate full-auto mag-drains and a single shooter is difficult to believe, unless the shooting continued for a much longer duration than shown in the 2-minute video. If he was walking through the crowd with burst fire than maybe, but last report I read it the shots were from an elevated position and a distance. Or maybe a lot of people bled-out from lack of medical attention. It will definitely be interesting to read the official narrative as it solidifies during the next couple days.

Anonymous cz75 October 02, 2017 5:21 AM  

The cops described the shooter as Marilou Danley's room mate. 4chan did some investigating and discovered that a registered sex offender named Stephen Paddock lives at her address.

Anonymous Alice De Goon October 02, 2017 5:22 AM  

Sounds like there might be multiple shooters at multiple locations. Victims are mostly country music fans (aka Trump Voters.) If it turns out Antifa is behind this in any way, they are f**king DONE. Even if the shooters are lone wolves with TDS, they'll redpill every redneck in the country. Trump could spend every second of his 2020 campaign turning the backyard of the White House into a giant Slip 'n' Slide and he'd still win by a landslide.

Anonymous Difster October 02, 2017 5:22 AM  

I think there's a lot of disinformation out there and it's too early to make an accurate determination.

Anonymous Karl October 02, 2017 5:24 AM  

Is the left vs. right cold war turning into a true civil war?

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 02, 2017 5:25 AM  

Rate of fire seems slow and uneven. Maybe one of those backyard counterweight mods?
Any firearms enthusiasts have an opinion?

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 5:29 AM  

39. S. Thermite October 02, 2017 5:20 AM
unless the shooting continued for a much longer duration than shown in the 2-minute video.



i believe i heard the cops on the scanner feed say ~20 minutes.

if true, many will have died from blood loss simply because suppressive fire would have kept the medics out of the scene.

also like one guy has already been capped by the cops in a Mandalay room? but there may be casualties further north? which would have to be a second shooter.


https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/21038/web

Anonymous cz75 October 02, 2017 5:30 AM  

@44 Could be a bumpfire stock or echo trigger

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 5:31 AM  

43. Karl October 02, 2017 5:24 AM
Is the left vs. right cold war turning into a true civil war?



as i said earlier, Antifa is the John Brown of 2017. i was fully serious about that, and i meant it literally.

if we don't have a Civil War out of this, it's not going to be because they didn't try.

Blogger Double E October 02, 2017 5:34 AM  

Rate of fire seems slow and uneven. Maybe one of those backyard counterweight mods?
Any firearms enthusiasts have an opinion?


I agree. My guess is a bumpfire trigger or stock of somekind

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 02, 2017 5:35 AM  

Lonewolf.

Asian girlfriend.

Choice of target is a country music audience.

My bet is ANTIFA.

Blogger S. Thermite October 02, 2017 5:35 AM  

Any firearms enthusiasts have an opinion?

I really hope it's not a bump fire stock. Already posted how the first mag-drain seemed too consistent to be one, but maybe the shooter was skilled and/or "lucky". There are a lot of legal full-autos in the Vegas area, as I recall there's a rental range and also Front Sight's tactical/combat training range. I think Front Sight mostly has Uzis, which I've also shot, and they have a faster cyclic rate.

Anyhow, if it was bump fire then the push to ban semi-autos will intensify...you can bump fire an SKS or any other centerfire semi-auto rifle simply by looping your thumb through the trigger guard and hooking your belt loop. I know because I've done it. It's inaccurate as hell, but the sound would make most people run for the hills.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 02, 2017 5:38 AM  

@46
Yup. AR15 echo trigger video sounds alot like that. Bumpfire sounds like a higher rate.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y8fq732z
Better buy the mod now if you are planning to get one.

Anonymous Die Gab Nazis Die October 02, 2017 5:40 AM  

I blame the Alt-Retards.

Anonymous Elcid Barrett October 02, 2017 5:40 AM  

And with this, we may finally have our first mass shooting with an actual, no-shit "assault weapon." Fantastisch.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 5:41 AM  

50. S. Thermite October 02, 2017 5:35 AM
It's inaccurate as hell,



when you've got tens of thousands of people in a barrel, who cares about accuracy?

Anonymous Saracen III October 02, 2017 5:43 AM  

The unevenness is echoes off buildings. You are hearing 500 rounds/minute from a magazine in excess of 40 rounds. An AK with a 75-round drum magazine fits the bill nicely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXUlLIeNT6A

Blogger S. Thermite October 02, 2017 5:46 AM  

Yikes, there's even a clip of Dan Bilzerian doing a live selfie video running away from the shooting and freaking about a "woman getting shot in the f---ing head." He's a douchebag, but he's a pro-gun douchebag and that's some bad optics right there. Where's R. Lee Ermey when you need him?

Blogger Mister Excitement October 02, 2017 5:50 AM  

@47

I don't think there will be a full scale Civil War until nearly 100% of the normies are "woke."

It'll take an attack like this or larger once a week for that to happen.

There are still normies out there clucking things like "Just play the game! We don't care about politics! 'Merica!"

When nearly all the normies finally realize that the Left and tens of millions of not-Americans really do hate them and want them dead and/or replaced, then we'll have Civil War.

We're not nearly there yet.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 02, 2017 5:56 AM  

"Shooter identified as 64 year old white male"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-gunman-identified-police-white-male-mandalay-bay-casino-strip-a7978241.html

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 5:59 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dEwr6zeYgk


Mary Lou Danley is subject of interest.

Anonymous CoolHand October 02, 2017 6:01 AM  

The sustained bursts are too regular and too long for it to be a bump-fire stock and the cyclic rate is much too high for it to be a binary or echo trigger, plus both devices require a lot of training and practice to maintain even the slower ROF you see in their demo videos. Regular Joes can't just pick something like that up and make it rock-n-roll.

The rate of fire is too slow for it to be a real deal M16/M4 or their variants.

My money is on either a black market AK or RPK with a drum (imported real deal full auto), or something commercial but similar that's been modified to accept the full auto FCG parts.

I've seen two different videos now where two different shot tempos could be heard simultaneously. One is just full auto wide open mag/drum/belt dump for seven to ten seconds, but then at the same time over the top of that report there is another weapon firing in much shorter bursts of five to ten rounds with a one to two second pause between bursts. That means there is definitely more than one weapon at work in those clips.

Sound will echo around in those tall buildings, but the long burst continues while the short bursts happen, and there are no echos from those short bursts. Definitely at least two weapons, though the bursts may be from cops returning fire, that's entirely possible.

Whatever they were using was not something that you could buy off the shelf somewhere or build from parts bought off the internet.

Shit like this is why I hate big crowds and I never go anywhere without being strapped.

Being armed don't mean you won't get killed, but at least you've given yourself the option to fight back.

Though, if the reports of him firing from an elevated position at some range are true, ain't much you can do with a compact belly gun to fight against that.

Rifle beats pistol every time, which is why Col Cooper's second Law of Gunfighting is "If at all possible, bring a Rifle." (the first law being "Bring a gun.", the third being "Bring a friend with a rifle.")

If this one does turn out to be a leftist out to kill Trump voters, shit is liable to real sporty real fast in certain locals.

Them antifa folks have no idea how many people there out in the hinterlands that are just itching for an excuse to cut a swath through a bunch of leftist assholes. All they're after is an excuse. The left better hope they didn't just pick that fight, 'cause it's very apt to go poorly for them.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 6:02 AM  

considering that MaryLou is an 'official' person of interest and the shooter is a 64 year old White male, sounds like Pol is right about it being Geary.

Leftist married to non-White.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 6:05 AM  


60. CoolHand October 02, 2017 6:01 AM
Whatever they were using was not something that you could buy off the shelf somewhere or build from parts bought off the internet.



i've had a Mini-14 apart.

i could make that full auto, squeeze controlled, with a file.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 02, 2017 6:08 AM  

NBC names Stephen Paddock, 64, as the Vegas shooting suspect.

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/914793806914080769

Anonymous Muh Civil War October 02, 2017 6:08 AM  

“Them antifa folks have no idea how many people there out in the hinterlands that are just itching for an excuse to cut a swath through a bunch of leftist assholes. All they're after is an excuse. The left better hope they didn't just pick that fight, 'cause it's very apt to go poorly for them.”

Lol ... for sale, conservative-owned AR-15, never fired, only dropped once.

Anonymous Karl October 02, 2017 6:08 AM  

If the shooter truly is a far leftist, do any of you actually think any democrat will ask his/her political allies to turn down the constant personal attacks on Trump voters? I doubt it.

Blogger Lazarus October 02, 2017 6:19 AM  

Some reports coming out that shooter was a convert to Islam. Might be wishful thinking. Time will tell (maybe)

Blogger roughcoat October 02, 2017 6:22 AM  

So they identified the perp but there's no picture? We know what that usually means.

Anonymous Difster October 02, 2017 6:22 AM  

Video of all the Facebook pages "Liked" by Geary Danley.
Find it here: https://twitter.com/LibertyAlerts/status/914796701017415680

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 6:22 AM  

Islam is not a race.

they tried to play up some of the "heroes" in the Twin Towers as being Muslim reverts.

Anonymous cz75 October 02, 2017 6:28 AM  

@63 Seems like mixed up information. The Stephen Paddock living at Marilou Danley's address is 49, and her husband Geary Danley is 74. So there's still no solid proof on who the shooter actually was.

Anonymous CoolHand October 02, 2017 6:29 AM  

((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) wrote:

i've had a Mini-14 apart.

i could make that full auto, squeeze controlled, with a file.


Yeah, you could, and it would have cyclical rate about twice as fast as what I've heard on those videos and be unreliable as hell and prone to malfunction.

You'd also have a magazine capacity of ~40rnds, which would give you a sustained burst potential of ~4 seconds, assuming the weapon didn't choke before you got there (which it very likely would).

The ROF in the videos is too slow to be an M16 variant, or a doctored Mini-14, or a Galil, or an Uzi.

As I said, my money is on an AK variant, either real imported or illegally doctored commercial.

There ain't diddly shit that any law could have done to stop this. If an asshole wants a full auto AK bad enough, he'll find one or build it himself, but he won't do it through the normal channels of commerce.

It's not like you can go buy FA AK FCG's from Brownells or Midway, the illegal markets provided the parts or the weapon here, and you can't fight something like that with another law (they're already breaking about a dozen big ones already, what's one more?).

That's all I meant.

I'm a machinist and a firearms maker, I know what it takes to convert commercial arms to FA, and while it isn't rocket science, it also isn't something that just anyone will be able to do, and the results are often quite spotty.

Modifications like you suggest about the Mini-14 for example are usually very twitchy and prone to malfunction or outright failure.

Whatever this asshole was using ran like a goddamned sowing machine for several mag/drum dumps in a row. That ain't something that Bubba The GunSmite hacked together with an angle grinder and some duct tape. If it was a conversion, it was a well made one.

Anonymous CoolHand October 02, 2017 6:30 AM  

Muh Civil War wrote:
Lol ... for sale, conservative-owned AR-15, never fired, only dropped once.


Guess we'll find out.

Blogger AdognamedOp October 02, 2017 6:32 AM  

ABC news is identifying Paddock as a 64 yr old male. This is strange.

Blogger daddynichol October 02, 2017 6:32 AM  

Mail order bride married to a loser, aging radical. He'll be rebranded as a right wing neo Nazis.

Anonymous CoolHand October 02, 2017 6:36 AM  

CoolHand wrote:...sowing machine...

Oh, FFS! Even proofread the damned thing.

I know the difference between sow and sew, I swear.

Sometimes my stupidity overcomes me...

Blogger roughcoat October 02, 2017 6:38 AM  

Well, a sowing machine probably runs pretty smoothly too. Farmers ain't got time for crappy seed drills.

Anonymous Perfunctory Quodtidian October 02, 2017 6:39 AM  

At least one suspect was reported to be “down” inside a room at the Mandalay Bay, police said. Police said the shooter is a “local individual” who was firing from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel just outside the concert area. He was killed inside the hotel room after a police SWAT team used an explosive breach to blow open the door and then engaged with him.

Stephen Craig Paddock, 64, has lived on Babbling Brook Court in Mesquite, Nevada, since June 2016. He previously lived in Reno, Nevada, from 2011 to 2016, and also had an address in Melbourne, Florida, from 2013 to 2015. He has also lived in Henderson, Nevada, and several locations in California since 1990. He was born April 9, 1953.

Officers were obtaining warrants to search the home in Mesquite where the gunman lives. Paddock was known to law enforcement, NBC News’ Pete Williams reports. But details of those run-ins were not immediately available. Public records do not show any criminal convictions for Paddock in Nevada. Mesquite Police told CBS News that he had no run-ins with him. They said he lived in a retirement community, is a white male and wasn’t a military veteran.

Police are also looking for a “person of interest,” a 4’11” Asian woman named Marilou Danley. She was described as a “companion” of the shooter.

Police are also looking for two vehicles with Nevada plates, a Hyundai Tucson with license plate number 114B40 and a Chrysler Pacifica Touring with plate number 19D401. They are registered to the gunman.

Police said Marilou Danley, 62, lived with the shooter (Paddock) in Mesquite. Public records show she lived at the same address as him since January 2017. Authorities have not yet said what role, if any, they believe she played in the shooting. They have also not said if she was seen with the suspect at the Mandalay Bay hotel or elsewhere prior to the shooting.

A woman who was at the concert told a local news station that a “lady pushed her way forward in the concert venue. And she started messing with another lady and told us that we are all going to die tonight. … It was about 45 minutes the shots were actually fired. But then she was escorted out by security.” But police have not confirmed if they believe that was related to the shooting.

Marilou Danley’s Facebook profile reads, “Proud mom and grandma who lives life to the fullest.” Her last public post was an update of her profile picture in August. She had posted numerous photos of herself. Friends commented on her looks, and she wrote under one, “Thanks …That was taken at Wiltshire Roof Top Restaurant in L.A.” In 2016, she wrote in the comment thread under a photo, “…Kuha Sa Jumeira Beach, Dubai.”

She says on her Linkedin profile that she has worked at a casino in the past. She has also lived in Sparks and Reno, Nevada, along with Canton, Ohio; Springdale, Arkansas; and Memphis, Tennessee, according to public records.

Witnesses told reporter Nathan O’Neal that hundreds of shots were fired after a loud bang that sounded like a firecracker.

“Clip after clip after clip, bullets flying everywhere, people running,” the witness said. “It was really, really bad. We were the furthest VIP stages away from Mandalay Bay and they (the bullets) were ricocheting everywhere where we fear. They were firing from somewhere high and they were unloading clip after clip after clip. Multiple shooters, has to be.”

But police are indicating there was only one shooter. In chaotic active shooter situations, witnesses often report hearing or seeing multiple shooters, as sounds echo and come from different directions, and police and others are misidentified as gunmen.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-route-91-mandalay-bay-shooting-shooter-gunman-suspect-photos-motive/

Blogger Elizabeth October 02, 2017 6:40 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Some reports coming out that shooter was a convert to Islam. Might be wishful thinking. Time will tell (maybe)

Islam often appeals to people who are disaffected from society. A number of leftists have converted to Islam. Two notable ones were Roger Garaudy, a now-deceased prominent French Communist, and Ilyich Ramírez Sánchez, aka Carlos the Jackal. So, it is possible that a leftie might convert to Islam.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain October 02, 2017 6:41 AM  

Police say more than 50 dead, more than 200 injured.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 02, 2017 6:42 AM  

Okay ANTIFA was a bad guess unless he's an out of work associate professor.

64 years old? That is one old as the hills shooter. I think he has to be the oldest ever.

Anonymous Karl October 02, 2017 6:44 AM  

Where did anyone see that Paddock is 49? Just wondering.

Anonymous Not my usual nym October 02, 2017 6:46 AM  

My company is having a huge show at the Mandalay Bay this week. Some are already there. They sent out a lockdown to all registrants within minutes of this beginning.

I was supposed to fly out in about 5 hours. Earnest question, just because nerves are frazzled, if my employer expects us to still go, should I?

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 02, 2017 6:47 AM  

@81 There's a pic circulating of another Stephen Paddock who was born in 1968, but it's the wrong guy.

Blogger YIH October 02, 2017 6:47 AM  

More than 50 people were killed and 200 injured when what appears to be a lone gunman opened fire from a perch high up in the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas Sunday night, police said.
It's now being called ''the worst mass shooting, topping the Pulse nightclub massacre''.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 6:49 AM  

76. roughcoat October 02, 2017 6:38 AM
Well, a sowing machine probably runs pretty smoothly too.



otoh, that would be an excellent explanation of the variable cyclic rate.

treadle control of the sewing machine gives exactly that kind of up and down rpm.

*wink*


Mesquite is the first NV town west of the AZ line on I-15. i grew up in Melbourne.

strange.

Anonymous Perfunctory Quodtidian October 02, 2017 6:50 AM  

Older guy with no prior history of violence. Strange. Why now, why this location? Illness? Gambling debts?

How did he obtain a fully auto weapon?

What is the role of his Filipina mistress, if any?

No doubt more information will come out as this develops.

Blogger Stilicho October 02, 2017 6:51 AM  

@80 anyone seen Tiny Tim lately?

Blogger Mister Excitement October 02, 2017 6:56 AM  

@71

Thank you for that reply.

I used to love reading detailed information like that on Free Republic.

Then they started Boomer Posting constantly and I eventually got banned.

@82

Yes you should go.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 6:56 AM  

82. Not my usual nym October 02, 2017 6:46 AM
if my employer expects us to still go, should I?



a - the threat is no higher tomorrow than it was yesterday. in fact, probably lower. there's going to be cops crawling all over the Mandalay for the next week.

b - that's a threat assessment you need to make for yourself.

c - you need to call the relevant manager. highly likely this whole event gets cancelled regardless. can't imagine any show / advertising event is going to want to be associated with this.

in which case your question is moot.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 02, 2017 6:58 AM  

Ace, reports the shooter is dead.

Blogger Roger Hill October 02, 2017 6:59 AM  

If it was an Anti-Trump criminal, it will be interesting to see the national media's handling of the story in the coming days - if it even stays a story for days. At some point relatively soon, we will begin to read internet headlines like, "Some claim Trump's Rhetoric is Pushing People Over the Edge". Somehow, it will be Trump's fault.

Anonymous Vfm #0202 October 02, 2017 7:06 AM  

Kryst do you ever wonder why the weak-ass faggot Jew redskin doesn't ban you? It's because every word you post supports him in ways that are invisible to your broken mind. Keep it up! Cool Hugo Boss costumes await!

OpenID doktorjeep October 02, 2017 7:15 AM  

Hmmm murderer was a boomer.. now watch as boomers demand we all disarm.

Blogger VD October 02, 2017 7:18 AM  

I was supposed to fly out in about 5 hours. Earnest question, just because nerves are frazzled, if my employer expects us to still go, should I?

Yes. It's probably the safest place in the world this week.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 02, 2017 7:18 AM  

@91
Anti-Trump criminal > Guns.
Pro-Trump criminal > Nazis.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass October 02, 2017 7:21 AM  

My gf was in town this weekend, left at 6 to head to work (lives in another state). I checked Drudge...true automatic fire. Watched the video...the f***??? My money, owning an AK and having shot it on a regular basis, as well as having shot an AR, is that it was an AR modified illegally to full auto.

Cue the non Americans and Left who know crap about our laws calling for gun control in 3...2...1.

When I was working as a federal contractor in California, I would on occasion go to Las Vegas. I have walked the area where the shooting happened… Unreal to think I've been there. Prayers for all the victims. Good on the police for killing the son of a bitch Quick and getting his accomplice in custody. What I thought was interesting is that the USA today article says the police have ruled out terrorism. If that is the case, why is that the only place you have read that?

Blogger Elizabeth October 02, 2017 7:22 AM  

doktorjeep wrote:Hmmm murderer was a boomer.. now watch as boomers demand we all disarm.

This tail-end boomer bought a Bushmaster "Shorty" carbine after 9-11. After I get a steady, permanent job, I want to buy another rifle and more handguns. Just a question of which ones. So much variety out there.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass October 02, 2017 7:23 AM  

I think it was an AR because an AK sounds different.

Anonymous Elcid Barrett October 02, 2017 7:32 AM  

Doesn't sound nearly high enough pitch for an AR to me. I second the AK platform with RPK 40- and 75-rounders theory. Though it is hard to sort from the overlay of report-echo-impact noise in the videos.

Blogger JACIII October 02, 2017 7:33 AM  

Link to rap sheet says "Native Indian"

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 02, 2017 7:37 AM  

Stilicho wrote:@80 anyone seen Tiny Tim lately?

Worryingly, no.

Blogger Mister Excitement October 02, 2017 7:43 AM  

Per Google maps and measuring distance, his firing position was approx. 380 meters from the center of the crowd.

Not far at all for automatic fire from an elevated position (32d floor) firing into a mass of people on open terrain.

Pretty much a perfect setup for a mass casualty attack.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 7:57 AM  

"Pretty much a perfect setup for a mass casualty attack."

yeah. Full-auto is largely useless... unless you want to do something like this.

Its perfect for this.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera October 02, 2017 7:58 AM  

Can't criticize the dudes' effectiveness. This was well planned and executed.

Blogger Silly but True October 02, 2017 8:00 AM  

Even odds on 1) blood payoff to have Soros upgrade some family members from single-wide up a a double; or 2) painkiller cartel message.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 8:06 AM  

Drudge headline: Machinegun Sniper

Literally the dumbest thing on the internet.

Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 8:08 AM  

What a blood bath. Good thing the cops shot this guy. I wonder if this was political, an elaborate "death by cop" or if he was nuts? It will take a while to figure out what it was all about. I read he was a convicted sex offender but don't know if that is credible. Anyway, whatever was driving this dude was bad stuff. The other thing it shows is this: Muslim terrorists are pikers compared to a middle aged American man when it comes to killing.

Blogger Cmate October 02, 2017 8:09 AM  

Woman tells concert goers "you are going to die"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-02/chilling-warning-shooting-attack-you-are-all-going-die

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 02, 2017 8:11 AM  

Per the Cult of Social Justice style guide, we can be confident that Stephen Paddock is neither white nor Christian, since They immediately ruled out terrorism, and have resolutely refused to report on his race or religion.

Blogger Mister Excitement October 02, 2017 8:14 AM  

@103

Even if this guy had an AR or an AK, for all practical purposes he was using a machine gun.

Just from the two videos I watched of the attack, there were at least 3 extended bursts of fully automatic fire of approx. 10 seconds each.

A machine gun is an area weapon. Accuracy isn't as important as getting rounds down range. Also, accuracy wasn't an issue for his target: a large mass of people.

This guy had trained for and planned this. A normie with no training won't fire off hundreds of rounds of automatic fire. He was accustomed to firing full auto for extended bursts.

I'll bet his weapon was mounted. There's no way anybody is going to fire 10 seconds on full auto firing from the shoulder. After the first few rounds, the muzzle is climbing and climbing and the weapon becomes uncontrollable. I don't care how strong you are. It also will make you fall backwards from the recoil.

Plus, his vantage point/firing position was perfect considering the engagement area.

This was a well planned and executed terrorist attack.

Anonymous David of One October 02, 2017 8:16 AM  

http://www.mirror.co.uk

If this is the perp, what is the tattoo on his neck. Just below the beard line looks like a 13.

Blogger ZhukovG October 02, 2017 8:18 AM  

Actually it is unfortunate that the shooter was killed, though not surprising. Now we will not hear his side of the story. We will hear whatever the investigators say is the story.

Anonymous David of One October 02, 2017 8:22 AM  

Photo - http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11274169.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Stephen-C-Paddock.jpg

Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 8:22 AM  

So...he knew what he was doing. He had the correct equipment. He had likely spent some time working on this at the range. Which means that this was not "suicide by cop" or "plain nuts". This was political/a statement. The question is who goes to Vegas to shoot up a country music festival? Was it: disgruntled leftist as in the shooting of Steve Scalise, etc. who figured he would get some country music fans (Red State/Trump voter types?) Some kind of person from a "marginalized" background who hated "regular people?" Some other agenda? People are already saying it was a "white supremacist" sort of thing. It is possible but why a country music festival? That does not make sense to me as a target for white supremacists but maybe there is something particular I haven't read yet that would make that theory plausible.

Blogger RC October 02, 2017 8:23 AM  

"I don't care how strong you are. It also will make you fall backwards from the recoil."

No. An AR has minimal recoil.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 02, 2017 8:24 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:The other thing it shows is this: Muslim terrorists are pikers compared to a middle aged American man when it comes to killing.

This may disturb you, but I assure you that I could easily make that guy look like a piker. Literally anyone here could. It is crazy for our government to continually push the envelope of our self-determination, because if push came to shove, it would lose.

Anonymous Avalanche October 02, 2017 8:30 AM  

@43 "Is the left vs. right cold war turning into a true civil war?"

You've missed the beginning, where've yah been? They turned it hot long ago...

It's just those of us on the Right are slow and resisting -- cause once we 'begin to hate' -- this latest will seem like a metaphorical skinned knee!

Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 8:31 AM  

SciVo de Plorable: that was my point exactly.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 8:34 AM  


Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 8:35 AM  

You're right ZhukovG. This guy got his just desserts when they killed him but it would have been nice to have interrogated him before he was put down. Just so we could know what it was all about instead of just what they tell us it was all about.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 8:35 AM  

'This may disturb you, but I assure you that I could easily make that guy look like a piker'

yeah. the "IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN ONE GUY" crowd simply has no idea. There is a very good reason the whole world is scared of angry white man.

Blogger Markku October 02, 2017 8:36 AM  

No, it's easy to shoot full auto in non-burst mode. It's one of the exercises in Finnish army, to understand the limitations. The first few shots indeed raise up because your reflexes aren't fast enough. Then you bring it back down, and will keep it level indefinitely.

Blogger Mountain Man October 02, 2017 8:36 AM  

Geriatric gamma goes on rampage.
Sadly..the narrative spun by the State Media will be "angry white gun nut goes on rampage". See, see...its not just Mooslems ..its whites too.

Blogger Mister Excitement October 02, 2017 8:37 AM  

@115

Even the recoil on an AR will push you backwards after a few seconds of full auto from the standing position or kneeling position.

Even prone you'll start to lose control.

A rifle firing full auto is going to jump around like a 5 year old in a barber's chair after just a few rounds..... unless it's mounted.

This guy was firing bursts of 10 seconds.

His weapon was mounted.

Blogger Markku October 02, 2017 8:38 AM  

You are completely full of shit.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 02, 2017 8:40 AM  

Leftists are pushing hard on the narrative of "older white guy good with guns = right-winger," trying to get that embedded in the public consciousness before people get a chance to sort out details like his foreign girlfriend/accomplice and why he targeted a crowd full of country music fans who would presumably be his own people, and turn up his likely real motivations.

Blogger Silly but True October 02, 2017 8:40 AM  

Finnish ex-marines keep it level from the first shot.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 02, 2017 8:41 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:Actually it is unfortunate that the shooter was killed, though not surprising. Now we will not hear his side of the story. We will hear whatever the investigators say is the story.

This is true. I would rather know his motivation and what he really thought, so as to take the correct actions to prevent it from happening again; and the cops would rather we not know that, from falsely and arrogantly imagining that hiding the cause would prevent the result.

Blogger Markku October 02, 2017 8:44 AM  

It IS very impractical due to wasting so many rounds until your reflexes can send the adjustment to the muscles. That's the entire point of the exercise. To make you understand that full auto should only be used in unique circumstances. It's also very inaccurate. But if you have a big crowd and can afford to spray&pray, there is nothing wrong with full auto.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III October 02, 2017 8:45 AM  

t. Chad Badass at 1:00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eIFLXvK4yN4&feature=youtu.be

Blogger WynnLloyd October 02, 2017 8:45 AM  

That picture is a picture of an elder leftist. It may not be the shooter, but if it is the shooter was a leftist.
I've wondered about someone with a terminal illness going off the deep end with the breakdown of Obamacare, and of course leftists are going to blame President Trump. Maybe this guy wanted vengeance against those he sees as having put his enemies in power.
Who knows though. I'm not good at this sort of thing. Hopefully we will get more updates soon.

Blogger Mister Excitement October 02, 2017 8:45 AM  

@115

I stand corrected.

Based on the ROF, I was thinking he was using an AK, not an AR.

Haven't had my coffee yet this morning.

Anonymous Avalanche October 02, 2017 8:46 AM  

@75 "...sowing machine...
Oh, FFS! Even proofread the damned thing.
I know the difference between sow and sew, I swear."

I thought it was an excellent metaphor: a sowing machine.... sows seeds in a row at speed.

Claim your mistakes when they work!

Blogger Mountain Man October 02, 2017 8:46 AM  

@124
Bulls**t..we had a guy here in the north country who decided to settle all of his grievances one day. He took out a number of cops, judge, newspaper editor. Used a fully auto AR15. Used over 100 rounds on one of the troopers alone. Witnesses said he calmly walked around shooting non stop at his targets, only stopping to reload clips. He had also been a union millwright, so he was more physically fit than most.

Blogger Von Zeitgeist October 02, 2017 8:48 AM  

@124
Yeah, I'm with Markku with this. Falling over from recoil is nonsense. Rest an AK or AR on the windowsill and you can spray an area like that one as long as you have ammo. It's just not that hard when your target is a packed group of concert goers that isn't shooting back.

Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 8:49 AM  

In any case, this guy just killed 50 people. Knowing what makes a guy like that tick is important for all of us. With Muslim terrorists it is their understanding of the dictates of their religion. With angry gammas it is frustration that the world does know acknowledge them as the "secret kings" they really are. There are the crazies who just snap and do something heinous. Then there are the "Tim McVeigh" types who have an ax to grind and who are careful about planning. This looks like one of the latter to me. But what was the agenda and how was it satisfied by shooting into a crowd of country music fans?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 02, 2017 8:49 AM  

I've fired full-auto. It's not hard to stay in place; recoil won't move you if you lean into it a little. I think Youtube has videos of Gunplumber firing full-auto rifles?

Muzzle climb is harder, but Markku is right for rifles. You can control it with minimal practice.

For a Mac 10 with a 30 round stick, the first magazine was dumped before I could wrestle the muzzle back down. After that, I was able to unsqueeze the trigger and fire controlled bursts on the second magazine. A Mac 10 has a ridiculous cyclic rate, and is too small and too light for the 45ACP.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 02, 2017 8:49 AM  

Nate wrote:yeah. the "IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN ONE GUY" crowd simply has no idea. There is a very good reason the whole world is scared of angry white man.

And I *am* an angry white man, and "they" are mistaking my self-restraint for impotence. It's infuriating.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 8:49 AM  

"Based on the ROF, I was thinking he was using an AK, not an AR."

AKs are easy to control too... if you're ok with the first 5 shots spraying around.

You pull it back down and hold it. Its not a big deal. Its only a big deal the first 5 times you do it.


Blogger Markku October 02, 2017 8:51 AM  

While you're not pulling the trigger, your brain is telling your muscles to apply a certain amount of force to keep your hand and therefore rifle steady. Then you pull the trigger, and suddenly there is an upwards force vector. You need to compensate it with applying more force to your muscles, but it's so sudden that there is a delay until the message gets through. This is when the shots are constantly going up. When the message goes through and force is increased, you will bring it back down very easily and keep it there.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 8:51 AM  

"But what was the agenda and how was it satisfied by shooting into a crowd of country music fans? "

Maybe he really hated rap-country?

Blogger WynnLloyd October 02, 2017 8:53 AM  

You have an insight there. I wondered why they would still assume right wing even though a Tim Mcveigh type attacker would not likely target a Jason Aldean concert.
I guess the think if they push the message out it will become rooted even if the facts later contradict it. There are still people who believe rednecks killed Matthew Shephard, despite a few years ago it ring revealed that it was likely a drug-dealing related crime, given the hidden fact that Shepard was an active drug dealer.
I guess they think if they implant it in people's brains some will remain impervious to the truth later on. Or maybe even they need to convince themselves.
Obviously I have no evidence and can't defend it, but I have this sense that hatred of the God Emperor is largely behind this incident, as do many people, I'm sure.
Anyway, your comment was illuminating. As always

Blogger Mister Excitement October 02, 2017 8:54 AM  

Fine fine fine.

Based on the distance and the number of rounds he was firing, I personally would have mounted the weapon.

I'll stop talking out of my ass now and get some coffee.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 8:55 AM  

a curious issue is... generally its the omega types that snap like this. This dude had a chick. When a woman is involved the scenario changes radically.

Anonymous Avalanche October 02, 2017 8:56 AM  

@96 "USA today article says the police have ruled out terrorism."

The police ALWAYS 'rule out terrorism'! Because it's usually the religion of peace (TM) who cannot EVER commit terrorism in the U.S.!-- or some nut who is ... you know ... CAUSING TERROR! They seem to think that by "declaring" it "not terror," they will prevent public panic about the *terror* they feel at someone firing hundreds of rounds into a crowd or setting a bomb off in a train station or driving a car over children!

Total b.s. -- but they always go with it!

Anonymous SugarPi October 02, 2017 8:57 AM  

So, what otherwise breaking news is being buried bc of this? Heads on a swivel, folks!
Shooter sounds like a wind up to me.

Anonymous Bob October 02, 2017 8:57 AM  

The videos are just that, but from the cycle and the (digital) echo did it sound more like a G3?

Asking because my ear is not that experienced.

Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 8:59 AM  

It's a bit like the Steve Scalise shooting. That one has all but disappeared down the memory hole because it doesn't fit the narrative. We'll see if this is more of the same. If he's right wing in any way shape or form the full court press is going to go into effect to try to deplatform/shut down/etc. anyone and everyone on the right for "inciting violence." I think WynnLloyd is likely closer to the mark on actual motivations but we do not know yet.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 02, 2017 9:01 AM  

That's true. They are too transparent.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 02, 2017 9:04 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@43 "Is the left vs. right cold war turning into a true civil war?"

You've missed the beginning, where've yah been? They turned it hot long ago...

It's just those of us on the Right are slow and resisting -- cause once we 'begin to hate' -- this latest will seem like a metaphorical skinned knee!


Yep. The left has already, foolishly, taken this cold civil war hot; Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo, City vs. Country. Literally shooting our elected representatives.

If they were wise, they would worship our self-restraint and beg for forgiveness.

Blogger Salt October 02, 2017 9:05 AM  

@124 - Idiot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N99ufA7ZRPQ

Anonymous SugarPi October 02, 2017 9:10 AM  

Did any of the hospitals have a mass shooting drill recently?

Blogger dc.sunsets October 02, 2017 9:10 AM  

I'll add that FMJ ammo doesn't have that high a k/w ratio, typically. The prototype for this crap, the Stockton Schoolyard "massacre," had a pretty low k/w ratio and Martin Fackler's discussion of the (relative) disutility of FMJ 7.62x39 (or 5.56 if it doesn't fragment) based on his study of that event is very relevant.

My money is on some of the casualties being due to trampling or some such. Unless firing from the side into a mob of people, and especially if a high-angle overlook was used, obtaining 50k/200w would almost certainly mean OTM or BTHP type bullets, something we haven't seen from the lunatic fringe before. That kind of k/w with FA strikes me as the province of the high ROF MG42 or other wild-and-crazy belt-fed military arm.

If this turns out to be a Highly Motivated and Calculating shooter, it's a whole new phenomenon.

Blogger Ken Prescott October 02, 2017 9:15 AM  

I suspect that by the end of the shooting spree, he was shooting a smoothbore, assuming that he hadn't turned it into a half-assed Krummlauf due to the barrel starting to get a little plastic and saggy...

Blogger bw October 02, 2017 9:16 AM  

the police have ruled out terrorism

There was absolutely no one terrified, says .gov

they would worship our self-restraint and beg for forgiveness

Why? Armed govt workers are coming for you the moment you speak up for yourself, much less....this is the case for 50 years.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 02, 2017 9:16 AM  

@143, running a 7.62 NATO rifle (like an M14 or G3) on FA is near impossible, and AFAIK there are no mags that large for them.

FA AK's (original or retooled) are probably more available than most black market FA firearms. The ability to buy FA parts for anything by showing up to your neighborhood gun show ended at least 20-25 years ago (up until then, yes, it was possible to obtain an M16 parts kit in certain places...but since before the 1994 AWB that stupidity is long gone. I'm in the camp that notes that FA fire has essentially no application outside of noise-making and military unit tactics. I've shot an MP5 in FA and even a puny 9mm is almost impossible to fire accurately.)

Blogger Ken Prescott October 02, 2017 9:16 AM  

We had a guy submit a resume that included: "I am an expert poofreader."

Blogger Stilicho October 02, 2017 9:17 AM  

That's not the proper way to use a full auto/belt fed weapon. Anyone who knows what they're doing uses fairly short bursts. Hard to tell from the audio, but it does sound like an AK or possibly even a carbine of some sort. Regardless, as noted above, shooting randomly into a large, dense crowd is one where "spray and pray" works for indiscriminate mayhem.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 9:18 AM  

and just like clockwork... the idiot talking heads are suggesting the answer is hotel baggage screening

This is what I hate about America.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 02, 2017 9:20 AM  

I guess they think if they implant it in people's brains some will remain impervious to the truth later on.

Yep. They know the most likely thing is that he'll turn out to be a Muslim convert, an unstable leftist like the Scalise shooter, or a crazy with no particlar political motive. They know he's unlikely to be the Great Right-Wing Terrorist they've been hoping for. It's possible, just unlikely. So if they're going to get any mileage out of that idea, best to push it early rather than waiting for the facts.

If they can convince people that's the case (whether true or not), they think it's a chance for a new gun-control push. They also figure it would be a Get Out of Jail Free Card for any amount of Muslim/immigrant violence, if they can say, "Well, yeah, this was unfortunate, but Paddock."

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 02, 2017 9:20 AM  

Nate wrote:a curious issue is... generally its the omega types that snap like this. This dude had a chick. When a woman is involved the scenario changes radically.

Well yes, but just omega to gamma. A delta would have too much self-respect to just do whatever, although on second thought deltas are commonly known to do whatever women say in the Church, so huh.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 02, 2017 9:22 AM  

"This may disturb you, but I assure you that I could easily make that guy look like a piker."

Knowledge of any of a very large array of particular dynamics could easily make that guy look like a piker for a few hundred bucks (or less). Some of those dynamics would probably even not involve getting caught.

"Even the recoil on an AR will push you backwards after a few seconds of full auto from the standing position or kneeling position.

Even prone you'll start to lose control."


Please. No. A SAW can (been there done that) be fired automatically with very little difficulty with climbing, as can an automatic AR variant, which is even easier because it's not as heavy.

You've been playing too many video games.

That being said, yes, it was probably mounted or braced somehow, considering the guy was firing down 30+ floors into a crowd.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 9:22 AM  

"A delta would have too much self-respect to just do whatever, although on second thought deltas are commonly known to do whatever women say in the Church"

Guy owns 2 airplanes and has a pilots license. Delta is unlikely.

Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 9:23 AM  

Great...so going to a hotel will be as crappy as getting on an airplane. Thanks Stephen Paddock, you bastard. Not only did you ruthlessly murder a bunch of people but you just gave security types a perfect pretext to 'TSA' the hell out of everything else in the country.

Blogger Ceasar October 02, 2017 9:23 AM  

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 02, 2017 9:24 AM  

Well, that and because of the weight of the drum magazine or belt he must have been using. Those things get kind of (front) heavy fully loaded.

Blogger Mountain Man October 02, 2017 9:24 AM  

It would be interesting to see how many legally prescribed psychotropic drugs this guy was on.
Of course thats an issue the State Media will not touch, considering the Judas type role that Big Pharma plays in assisting the Deep State with its destruction of this country.

Blogger Ceasar October 02, 2017 9:27 AM  

You can buy a trigger crank for about $20 online. Slips onto the trigger with a crank handle, works great (or so I have been told). Depending on the capacity of the magazine it sounds very similar to an old hand crank Gatling gun.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 02, 2017 9:29 AM  

Nate wrote:and just like clockwork... the idiot talking heads are suggesting the answer is hotel baggage screening

This is what I hate about America.


Are they even unhyphenated? They do not represent us.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 9:29 AM  

another question. the guy owned two planes. Why not just crash into the crowd?

Anonymous Gee October 02, 2017 9:29 AM  

More white guys with guns

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html


When will white men denounce gun violence and their bad actors?

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 9:30 AM  

"Are they even unhyphenated? They do not represent us."

Every time someone gets killed in America we have to try create a law to stop it.

the fact is... you can't. You can't stop this.

Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 9:32 AM  

White guys: don't shoot up crowds of people. It is bad. I stand with Jack Ward. There, denounced, Gee. Feel better?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 02, 2017 9:33 AM  

"When will white men denounce gun violence and their bad actors?"

Probably when black men denounce baseball bat, machete and gun violence, latinos denounce knife violence, the Chinese denounce gun violence...

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. And when every nation, government and military in the world totally denounces violence.

Then... we'll think about it.

Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 9:34 AM  

Oh...and in case people do not understand: shooting up crowds of people is also bad when Muslims, black people, Hispanics, Asians, homosexuals, and anyone else does it. I denounce that too. Great. I think we've covered our bases here, Gee. You can move along.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 02, 2017 9:35 AM  

Nate wrote:Guy owns 2 airplanes and has a pilots license. Delta is unlikely.

Okay. So back to likely gamma, since money only reinforces that personality disorder.

Anonymous Bob October 02, 2017 9:35 AM  

@dc.sunsets

Thanks, the closest thing I've ever heard to an AK FA is a slam firing SKS or whatever commie crap it was. The echo on the video was too clean and consistent for something like that, or a tac-fire, or a crank. I have been around a FA G3, shooting tennis balls floating down the creek below. That sounded like this video to me.

Blogger Salt October 02, 2017 9:40 AM  

Nate wrote:Guy owns 2 airplanes and has a pilots license.

He could have flown one, laden with gas, into the concert or into a Casino. Gotten way more than 50+. Odd his choosing to be up 30 stories, his understanding vectors and all.

Blogger Mountain Man October 02, 2017 9:41 AM  

My money is on this being some sort of false flag. He's known by his family as "apolitical" and "nonreligious". He just moved into this "retirement community" four days earlier...along with his "arsenal of guns". He's a white male ( fits the narrative perfectly) and its now found that his "asian girlfriend" has been found "outside of the country", cleared of all involvement and isn't really a girlfriend after all. Oh he also shoots up a country western show...a demographic who has always been pro God, guns and freedom....until this happened. What better way for the Deep State to bring an unruly group over to their way of thinking than to have a massacre hit home personally.
Way too weird and way too many unanswered questions.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 02, 2017 9:44 AM  

Nate wrote:Every time someone gets killed in America we have to try create a law to stop it.

the fact is... you can't. You can't stop this.


I'm gonna say that there's already a law against murder, and anyone that proposes a new law is just a wannabe tyrant that wants more control over my life.

And trying to make me a serf will only make me angry.

I'm a white man. You won't like me when I'm angry.

Blogger Sherwood family October 02, 2017 9:45 AM  

Interesting theory. But I don't think it will work. It is only going to work if they can demonstrate how the gun violence towards the country western show was fueled in some way by his whiteness/political views. If they can make that link it might work. Otherwise this is going to go down as a horrible mass murder by some dude who was not right in the head.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2017 9:45 AM  

" So back to likely gamma, since money only reinforces that personality disorder."

money also indicates possible sigma and closet lambda.

Anonymous johnc October 02, 2017 9:45 AM  

@166 It would be interesting to see how many legally prescribed psychotropic drugs this guy was on.

Would that be the fault of the drugs or is it because the guy is crazy?

We used to have mental institutions for crazy people, but now there is nothing that can be done about them. Even the dangerous ones. They're just roaming around out there, free to do whatever they want.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 02, 2017 9:50 AM  

"He could have flown one, laden with gas, into the concert or into a Casino. Gotten way more than 50+. Odd his choosing to be up 30 stories, his understanding vectors and all."

To me, this either means that he had something personal against a party or parties in that particular crowd, or that yes, this is some sort of false flaggotry.

Blogger Elocutioner October 02, 2017 9:53 AM  

Curious - after they're done punching Nazis and that doesn't work, then what?

Mountain Man wrote:hat better way for the Deep State to bring an unruly group over to their way of thinking than to have a massacre hit home personally.

The concert was a gun free zone, murder is illegal, and it's likely he broke numerous other gun laws. The problem is that anyone on the right has been fed the same anti-gun narratives by proven liars repeatedly for decades and we have our own reality based counter-narrative. Their rhetoric has no sway now and we're not going to roll over on our rights because of this. If the left actually gave a single damn about American lives maybe we'd care what they have to say, but they only care about their own feelz.

Blogger Salt October 02, 2017 10:01 AM  

From 4Chan -

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214804937776519&set=p.10214804937776519&type=3&theater&ifg=1

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 02, 2017 10:08 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"He could have flown one, laden with gas, into the concert or into a Casino. Gotten way more than 50+. Odd his choosing to be up 30 stories, his understanding vectors and all."

To me, this either means that he had something personal against a party or parties in that particular crowd, or that yes, this is some sort of false flaggotry.


Or he could have had an escape plan that fell through. Crashing a plane is committing to killing yourself. Shooting people gives you at least a slim chance of escape.

I heard reports this morning that he setup cameras to watch law enforcement's response. If true this suggests he might have been planning on getting away.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 02, 2017 10:16 AM  

Not to mention that if he wanted to kill people at the concert specifically he may have determined that crashing the plane into them was not going to be easy. Hitting a building and killing people is fairly easy if you don't care who you are killing. Threading the needle through the tall buildings along the strip, and hitting a specific crowd would be harder. A nose dive approach might work but that is assuming you can do it while remaining calm and in control.

Anonymous 0007 October 02, 2017 10:20 AM  

Sounds to me like somebody read Matt Bracken's "Enemies, Foreign and Domestic" and decided to see how well the opening scenario would play out - false-flag or otherwise.

Blogger Ned October 02, 2017 10:22 AM  

@156:
"We had a guy submit a resume that included: "I am an expert poofreader."

Perhaps that reference is regarding his gaydar.

Anonymous Kat October 02, 2017 10:25 AM  

FB link is dead. Looks like his history is being wiped. I look forward to seeing what chan does with this.

Shooting up a country music concert. FB page yanked. Foreign GF - this doesn't sound like a disgruntled NRA member.

Blogger Jack Ward October 02, 2017 10:25 AM  

I stand with Markku and his description of the Finnish army training on auto fire. Any army, and their vets, that can stop the Russians cold in their tracks has my respect.

Anonymous Anonymous October 02, 2017 10:26 AM  

Tiny Tim checking in as I was invoked. Very sad day. I am doing well thanks. May we all have a better day. May God heal the injured and comfort the families of those who lost their loved ones.

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Blogger Ceasar October 02, 2017 10:31 AM  

What are the chances this is not related:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861252/Las-Vegas-shooting-latest-news-Mandalay-Bay-Route-91-Marilou-Danley

Witness says they were hispanic but could have confused with Asian/ Filipino.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 02, 2017 10:31 AM  

Mountain Man wrote:@124

Bulls**t..we had a guy here in the north country who decided to settle all of his grievances one day. He took out a number of cops, judge, newspaper editor. Used a fully auto AR15. Used over 100 rounds on one of the troopers alone. Witnesses said he calmly walked around shooting non stop at his targets, only stopping to reload clips. He had also been a union millwright, so he was more physically fit than most.


If you are talking about Carl Drega, he used a $575 semi auto AR-15 that he bought in Massachusetts.

Blogger pnq8787 October 02, 2017 10:32 AM  

Once whites give up their guns it will be white genocide for sure. The Jews have already prepped the mud people for genocide with anti-white narrative media and "education".

How does this shooting fit in? It's a good reason to make whites give up their guns.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 02, 2017 10:32 AM  

Whatever his motives, to leftists it must look like a gift from whatever god they worship, coming on the heels of a week when white Americans were coming together (with the president) over nationalist sentiments. No surprise that they're going to make as much hay from it as they can.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 02, 2017 10:35 AM  

Purely speculative, but the Vegas mass shooting could be a "Charles Whitman" scenario. Malignant brain tumor invades Paddock's amygdala, degrading basic emotional restraint. Or not. Time will tell.

Blogger Markku October 02, 2017 10:38 AM  

I stand with Markku and his description of the Finnish army training on auto fire.

It's kind of funny to train something for the specific purpose of the soldier NOT doing it, but it is what it is. Full auto should only be used on a group of enemies taken by complete surprise. It's too inaccurate in combat. That's the point of trying it in peacetime, so you don't try it in wartime.

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