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Sunday, October 08, 2017

Mailvox: America and Not-America

A people have the right to define themselves, whether they are in Texas or Catalonia:
I am in Dallas for a long weekend with my parents, and we went to the State Fair of Texas. Featured event: Grambling State vs. Prairie View AMU (both HBCUs) at the Cotton Bowl. We decided to go for the marching bands.

A bit to my surprise, everyone I could see in the stands stood for the national anthem. (The teams were not on the field at the time.) More to my surprise, there is a black national anthem. And they all joined in singing it, fists raised, where they hadn't sung the national anthem.

Takeaway? They consider themselves blacks first, and Americans second.
They consider themselves to be a distinct people, a distinct nation, as is their right. It's going to be fascinating to see how those who have always considered Confederate secessionists to have been racists and traitors try to get their heads around the growing movement towards black nationalism, particularly because black nationalists have no more use for white liberals than they do for white conservatives or the white Alt-Right.

We American Indians have our segregated and sovereign reservations. Why shouldn't American whites and American blacks exercise the same Freedom of Association that is their unalienable right?

Partition of the United States is coming, whether you believe it or not, and it will most likely begin within the next two decades. I hope it will be accomplished peacefully, and with a reasonable amount of justice and good will on every side, but I am skeptical that this will be possible, in part because the vast majority of people are still hopelessly delusional about the very nature of the multinational empire in which they reside.

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Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 08, 2017 1:12 PM  

Lift Every Voice and Sing is the song in question? It's been around for more than a century.

"Lift Every Voice and Sing" was publicly performed first as a poem as part of a celebration of Abraham Lincoln's birthday on February 12, 1900, by 500 school children at the segregated Stanton School. Its principal, James Weldon Johnson, wrote the words to introduce its honored guest Booker T. Washington. The poem was set to music soon after by Johnson's brother John in 1905. In 1919, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) dubbed it "The Negro National Anthem"[2] for its power in voicing the cry for liberation and affirmation for African American people.[3]

Anonymous Ages October 08, 2017 1:16 PM  

It's all true. Time to accept what's going to happen and allow it to happen peacefully.

For those who aren't aware of this Black National Anthem (I wasn't), here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya7Bn7kPkLo

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 08, 2017 1:16 PM  

I've never heard of a black national anthem in the US before.

This is going to get crazy.

Anonymous JAG October 08, 2017 1:17 PM  

Detroit writ large. I'm in favor of it happening, and will have my popcorn ready. Will it reach Liberian levels of cannibalism? Tune in next week!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 08, 2017 1:18 PM  

And thanks again, you damnable Yankee slave traders.

Blogger Michael Maier October 08, 2017 1:22 PM  

At a TEXAS football game? WTFFF? The savages are being given that THERE?


The longer I live, I see it will come to some manner of conflict and partitioning. But I cannot believe that there will be separation followed by peaceful coexistence.

It will be a purging and/or utter subjugation.

And any border next to a "Black Nation" in North America would need Israel-style walls or the white nation will invade and exterminate in retaliation for constant incursions.

After the blacks cannibalize one another because they have no food, potable water or electricity.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 08, 2017 1:22 PM  

About 5 years back one of the historically black colleges spelled out "TRAYVON" on the field during halftime. A boomertard told me it reminded him of the OJ verdict back in the 90's - pure tribalism.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 08, 2017 1:30 PM  

I remember something you said about Richard Spencer being ideologically incompetent. This is a issue with the politics of popular Black culture. It wants everything with no consideration towards sifting the contradictory elements. It says "Buy Black" but then says "Assata taught me!" Assata was anti-capitalist. If you "Buy Black" then you endorse the idea of capitalism. THEN, this political culture exalts notions of "The Myth of Black Capitalism" (Earl Ofari Hutchinson) which is then followed by "We need to 'Buy Black'." I'm ranting right now because of the incoherence contained within the politics of popular Black culture.

And I am okay with a Black National Anthem. I went to an HBCU and they made sure to teach us the lyrics. At chapel, we stood and sang. Sadly, we didn't understand the fundamental difference between Minister Malcolm X and El Hajj Malik el-Shabazz. The former embraced Booker T. Washington via Elijah Muhammad and Marcus Garvey, and the latter embraced socialism like W.E.B. DuBois (DuBois is the fundamental problem with the Civil Rights Movement).

End rant.

Anonymous FractionalSense October 08, 2017 1:34 PM  

What cracks me up is that, as per always, whites, especially white women, will be the LAST to "get it"...white shows, culture, entertainment, even sports, are FULL of blacks (and others) who could NEVER create the very essence of those particular fields/professions. ALL of those things are created by high IQ cultures that have time for leisure.

EVERY BLACK NATION, if left to it's own would eventually become Haiti or Liberia. It sickens me to see them co-opt EVERYTHING whites created, THEN HAVE THE BALLS to parrot this "cultural appropriation" meme everywhere. Bit$hes, you could not CREATE CULTURE TO APPROPRIATE. Blacks have no culture, nor any souls, they are soulless like animals. Listen and watch them, they are literally like zombies, prone to novelty, repetition, sparkly shiny things. They are NOTHING without whites. Some of them actually know this

Blogger Jew613 October 08, 2017 1:47 PM  

The break up may be delayed or even prevented by a strong man taking power.

Better yet an immigration freeze for 20 years as well as expelling all the illegals could prevent a breakup altogether.

Anonymous Crew October 08, 2017 1:49 PM  

The problem I see here is that every Black nation in Africa is a failure when it comes to keeping the electricity and other important services going (like good hospitals, sewage removal, the savages in jail, etc.)

Thus, when we give them their own nation in the former USA, they will want to get back into the white parts of the former USA because it will be so much better there, especially with all those violent blacks gone.

Perhaps they will even try to kidnap and enslave whites to run their essential services for them.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 08, 2017 1:49 PM  

@9 "THEN HAVE THE BALLS to parrot this "cultural appropriation" meme everywhere."

This drives me nuts! The politics of popular Black culture complains of this when they apply terms like "culture vulture" to white folks who utilize Black artistic mediums for personal expression while simultaneously exalting, say, "The Color Purple" which is a retelling of a story written by Boccacio, Chaucer, and Petrarch (The Griselda Story). That's just one of many examples. The failure of popular Black culture is the failure to realize it is, fundamentally, a Western culture. There's more to say but I need to pull out more of my hair and bang my head against a concrete wall.

I guess my ranting is not over. Please forgive.

Blogger VD October 08, 2017 1:51 PM  

Better yet an immigration freeze for 20 years as well as expelling all the illegals could prevent a breakup altogether.

No. It's already too late. Besides, the biggest problem is the financial system. It used to take 3 percent of corporate profits. Now, it takes over 30 percent.

I very much doubt there is any non-partition-related going back without combining the Holocaust with the Killing Fields, and I think most people would agree that partition is preferable to that.

Blogger Nick S October 08, 2017 1:52 PM  

"I hope it will be accomplished peacefully, and with a reasonable amount of justice and good will on every side, but I am skeptical that this will be possible, in part because the vast majority of people are still hopelessly delusional about the very nature of the multinational empire in which they reside."

Speaking of the delusional majority, given the observable growing sentiment that anyone can axiomatically opt-in to the protected class of their choosing, your skepticism is more than justified.

Blogger VD October 08, 2017 1:53 PM  

Thus, when we give them their own nation in the former USA, they will want to get back into the white parts of the former USA because it will be so much better there, especially with all those violent blacks gone.

Obviously. That's why we will probably see a historically significant genocide in Africa before long.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 08, 2017 1:58 PM  

The Holocaust + Killing Fields are coming. There is no doubt in my mind.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 08, 2017 2:01 PM  

@15 I think you are referencing South Africa. If so, I see that too. I hope I am wrong and delusional.

Blogger Shimshon October 08, 2017 2:02 PM  

Jew613, if a Republican majority Congress cannot even deliver the mildest Obamacare remedy, do you actually believe for a second they (and the government) will repatriate illegals en masse? Yes, it's doable. No, it won't happen.

Trump is the American version of a strongman. And even he is showing the limits of such a figure. Anyone "stronger" will simply accelerate the breakup or partition.

Anonymous DissidentRight October 08, 2017 2:05 PM  

There were relatively few Indians overall, they weren't integrated into the white communities, they were accustomed to self-sustained Third World living standards, and there was plenty of open space from which to create reservations.

None of these things are true of blacks or the other xenos. It's going to be ugly.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 08, 2017 2:07 PM  

Editors of a rag of the globalist deep state, Foreign Policy, are outraged that the FBI has designated Black Identity Extremists as a threat category. FP finds no such extremist threat, and opines that its creation is just evil white guys creating false equivalence to what every right-thinking person knows is the real threat, white supremacist extremists.

It's as though there are plenty of corpses due to KKK/Neoknotsie LARPers to counterbalance the actual dead of Dallas et.al.

The competence of the old media mouthpieces is really gone to crap.

Blogger Matt October 08, 2017 2:12 PM  

Blacks cant run a McDonalds.

Anonymous Jeff October 08, 2017 2:15 PM  

I'd me more concerned about the Mexican nation in the USA than the Black nation.

In Canada, it's more the Chinese and Indian nations who are rapidly taking over.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 08, 2017 2:15 PM  

That's why we will probably see a historically significant genocide in Africa before long.

I missed a turn somewhere. Failed black homelands in a partitioned USA creates genocide in Africa. Maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet today, but I'm not seeing the cause-effect vector.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 08, 2017 2:16 PM  

Perhaps they will even try to kidnap and enslave whites to run their essential services for them.

Not likely. Envy->hatred will never let such people acknowledge the gulf. This is why even a black-run territory couldn't rely solely on the "talented tenth." Even if there were enough of them to maintain a minimally decent standard of living, blacks appear to be high-spectrum envy, low-spectrum cooperation, too much to accept such a hierarchy based on something other than naked force and looting.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 08, 2017 2:19 PM  

@Shimshon

Republicans control the House, but not the Senate. Murkowski, Collins, McCain, and Rand Paul control the Senate.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 08, 2017 2:20 PM  

@Jack Amok

I think he meant "America"?

Blogger Gospace October 08, 2017 2:22 PM  

DissidentRight October 08, 2017 2:05 PM
There were relatively few Indians overall, they weren't integrated into the white communities, they were accustomed to self-sustained Third World living standards, and there was plenty of open space from which to create reservations.


In the beginning, there were more Indians. A significant number of the smaller East coast tribes interbred with the early settlers to the point that they disappeared as tribes.

Blogger S1AL October 08, 2017 2:23 PM  

"In the beginning, there were more Indians. A significant number of the smaller East coast tribes interbred with the early settlers to the point that they disappeared as tribes."

Even in the 1800's, a large number of them simply walked off the reservations and intermarried with the Western settlers.

Anonymous BBGKB October 08, 2017 2:24 PM  

A people have the right to define themselves

Jenner only had to kill one woman to define as a Woman Driver, but an afghani moslem who shot 102?

This is a issue with the politics of popular Black culture

Little "Richard" no longer gay after he can't guy guys like Milo

Failed black homelands in a partitioned USA creates genocide in Africa. Maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet today, but I'm not seeing the cause-effect vector.

No more food/meds charity from Whitey. If we let China have free reign they might kill off all the blacks in Africa.

Anonymous Nick October 08, 2017 2:25 PM  

I remember being asked to stand for the black national anthem at an assembly in my freshman year of high school back in 1997 (private Catholic school). I should have sat it out, but it took me by surprise and as a shy kid in a new school that's the last problem I needed.

Separation is probably the only likely outcome. It has become painfully obvious that at most from 10-30% of any ethnic minority will vote Republican or in the interests of the white American majority. Given the demographic trends these next few election cycles are critical in terms of building the wall, deporting as many illegals as possible and slashing immigration. If all of this is achieved it may still only delay the inevitable breakup for a generation. Perhaps the critical spiritual revival that is needed in the West will only happen as a result of this minor apocalypse.

The Poles were praying the rosary at their borders yesterday (anniversary of the Christian victory over the Turks Battle of Lepanto): https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-10-07/polish-catholics-come-together-countrys-borders-praying-save-poland

Anonymous Looking Glass October 08, 2017 2:25 PM  

Any large disruption of the shipping lines out of the Gulf Coast will lead to collapse of much of the 2nd & 3rd world into warfare.

I've mentioned before the China & Japan both have to import food. This isn't a small point. It's actually a point about the nature of both Empires & Nation-States. If you need to import food, you are beyond your extent to hold your own territory &/or population levels. Pretty much everyone imports cereal grains from the USA, and most of that is shipped out of the Gulf. (Not all, but enough.) Once the food isn't flowing, little else matters.

Which is why disruption of those supply flows would cause a pretty horrible mess of foreign influence/interactions. Into that mix, anything can happen.

As to the financial system, we can blow it up & rebuild it in a couple of months. Things would get bad, but the main issue is the need to find & execute a bunch of bankers. After that problem is solved, the rest isn't the hardest thing to deal with.

Anonymous BBGKB October 08, 2017 2:26 PM  

Missing link
http://www.towleroad.com/2017/10/little-richard-gay/
Fifties rock icon Little Richard suggested to the Christian television and radio network Three Angels Broadcasting that he’s no longer gay because he “wants to be saved

Anonymous Looking Glass October 08, 2017 2:28 PM  

@23 Jack Amok

Most of Africa isn't starving to death because American-produced Grain feeds much of the world. No USA exports; no food in huge chunks of Africa. War comes next.

Oh, and we ships massive amounts of modern weaponry there. The future Nigerian Civil War will likely be the bloodiest war in human history.

Anonymous Crew October 08, 2017 2:31 PM  

Of course, blacks will only consider their own nation if their food stamps are paid by Whitey!

Anonymous Looking Glass October 08, 2017 2:34 PM  

I just realized China will probably colonize the former Rhodesia. Anyone know of Chinese activities in Beira?

Blogger James Dixon October 08, 2017 2:37 PM  

> ...and I think most people would agree that partition is preferable to that.

They would if the were capable of seeing far enough ahead to realize those were the options.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 08, 2017 2:44 PM  

@36 James Dixon

The damage will have been caused by 4 major cities: LA, SanFran, DC & NYC. People don't realize how easy it'll be to raise an army and then rise a few cities.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 08, 2017 2:50 PM  

FractionalSense wrote:Blacks have no culture, nor any souls, they are soulless like animals. Listen and watch them, they are literally like zombies, prone to novelty, repetition, sparkly shiny things.
Mitchelle Blair's 2 children, killed and stuffed in a chest freezer in her living room for years and left behind when she moved out (!!), is the specific.  That the term "ghetto lobster" exists proves that she is no fluke.

Some of them actually know this
If you want to have fun, stop by some dindu blogs and watch just how deep the delusion goes.  Or denial, it's hard to tell which when you're dealing with chronic liars anyway.  Masses of them claim they built this country all by themselves, despite everything in ABRA falling down proving them wrong.

Know how you could stop the annual Selma march?  Prohibit White volunteers from cleaning up the parade route first.  They'd be too ashamed to bring cameras there.

Jew613 wrote:an immigration freeze for 20 years as well as expelling all the illegals could prevent a breakup altogether.
It would take more than that.  Recolonization of all dindu felons would be just one essential measure, because we can't live with them any more.  Repeal of most "civil rights" laws.  Outright preferences for Americans in employment and housing.  Remove both kebab and tamale.

VD wrote:I very much doubt there is any non-partition-related going back without combining the Holocaust with the Killing Fields, and I think most people would agree that partition is preferable to that.
So you get partition, the Black section is an immediate failure, and you have to turn back or kill the starving dindus trying to escape to avoid becoming dinner for their equally hungry but stronger fellows.

It all ends the same way in N. America.  Only recolonization can avoid it.

Shimshon wrote:do you actually believe for a second they (and the government) will repatriate illegals en masse? Yes, it's doable. No, it won't happen.
Then we'll have the alternative.  I see no point in worrying about it if I have no options.  It's do or die, and I'll do.

@19  The rendering plants will do a land-office business.  China will buy the pork and catfish.

Anonymous torpedo October 08, 2017 2:51 PM  

> Partition of the United States is coming

> I hope it will be accomplished peacefully

Why do you hope that whites will give the land to blacks peacefully, instead of waging war to expell the blacks and keep the land?

If whites give the land to blacks peacefully, what will prevent the blacks from immigrating again and demanding even more land?

Anonymous Blastmaster October 08, 2017 2:59 PM  

(((Yankee))) slave traders?

Blogger Cecil Henry October 08, 2017 2:59 PM  

As a prelude to that the first basic right to freedom of association, and the right to live explicitly in White communities must be re-established as a basic right.

Blogger Robert What? October 08, 2017 3:00 PM  

There is one major problem with the Black Separatist movement. I am all for Blacks having their own piece of land. However Blacks are, on their own, completely unproductive. The Black State will quickly fall into poverty and chaos. They will have no choice but to either wage war on the White State or beg to be included.

Anonymous Blastmaster October 08, 2017 3:04 PM  

Oh come on. The only thing that keeps black americans acting like black africans is white racism! Just look at areas where blacks are the overwhelming majority of the population with few whites to keep them down and you will find, uh um nevermind...

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 08, 2017 3:11 PM  

Crew wrote:blacks will only consider their own nation if their food stamps are paid by Whitey!
If we made the food and housing benefits for multi-generation Black welfare families payable only in African countries (with some rakeoff for the elites), we'd recolonize them in no time at all.  But the chances of this happening are roughly zero.

Imagine Baltimore, Newark, Philly, Chicago, Detroit and St. Louis as human-habitable cities again.  Imagine!

torpedo wrote:If whites give the land to blacks peacefully, what will prevent the blacks from immigrating again and demanding even more land?
Blacks would do exactly what they've done everywhere else:  destroy what they're given and then claim "racism" as the reason for their condition.  That's why any partition is going to have to start with Oregon-style laws against Black presence in post-partition White America, with draconian enforcement provisions.

And yes, there will be "refugees" almost immediately, and yes, we'll have to shoot the ones who won't turn back.  If we're given no other choices, we have no blame for the consequences.  By then we'll know the consequences of allowing repeats.

Anonymous Blastmaster October 08, 2017 3:13 PM  

No, he was referring to the brewing white genocide in South Africa.

Anonymous torpedo October 08, 2017 3:14 PM  

> I am all for Blacks having their own piece of land.

Black's own piece of land is in Africa.

Blogger glad2meetyou October 08, 2017 3:17 PM  

The city symphony pulled this at a free concert in the park not long ago. They played the national anthem and then they played what I think was the black national anthem--something from civil rights protests of yore, anyway--and the [majority white audience] was asked to stand and sing along. The song was long, slow, and boring. No one knew the words except the singers on stage. They tried to get some clapping going without much luck. Should have asked my date, what if whites did this?

Luckily they redeemed themselves at the end. Stars and Stripes Forever was a blast.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 08, 2017 3:20 PM  

One day whites will stop fretting about black people, but it is obvious even from reading these comments that that day is not yet here

Blogger kurt9 October 08, 2017 3:21 PM  

So, the U.S. can be thought of the modern day version of the Ottoman Empire. Like the Ottomans, we even have our Jannisaries (although they are not called this). I know this because I met one on a flight back from Tokyo some years ago. He was a Filipino and had 3 years left of 5 years of required military service in order to become a U.S. citizen. He was also a bit of a thug.

Anonymous torpedo October 08, 2017 3:22 PM  

> laws against Black presence in post-partition White America, with draconian enforcement provisions.

If anti-black racial cleansing laws can be draconically enforced in post-partition America, anti-black racial cleansing laws can be draconically enforced in pre-partition America.

Why compromise and partition in the first place and voluntarily give up land, when you will have to draconically enforce racial cleansing anyway?

Blogger kurt9 October 08, 2017 3:31 PM  

What is clear to me, if the political decentralization trends you guys have been talking about over the years is for real, is that we are headed for the "thousand state sovereignty" model (which is something that a libertarian professor at my graduate business school talked about as a real possibility). I like to call it a 21st century Westphalia, because I think its the only solution for greater peace and prosperity for most humans.

The fact is that we really don't like each other much. Different races don't like mixing with each other. Liberals and conservatives (e.g. socialists and free markets types_ don't like each other. People of particular religions want to live among others who share their beliefs. This suggests that many current nation-state are going to dissolve and new ones form.

The city-state will come back into vogue. I suspect that cosmopolitan types and the so-called global elites will end up in their own city-states (think of multiple versions of Singapore) that will trade with each other as well as the more conventional nation-states.

There will be seasteads and, ultimately, space colonies as well. Indeed, such a fragmented world will make it easier for small, self-interested groups (e.g. transhumanists) make this happen because there will be no major political powers to prevent such from happening.

Anonymous Crew October 08, 2017 3:33 PM  

I think we need to give the homeless their own country as well:

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/10/08/california-hepatitis-a-outbreak-on-verge-of-statewide-epidemic/

Anonymous Crew October 08, 2017 3:35 PM  

There will be seasteads and, ultimately, space colonies as well.

Seasteads are too vulnerable to action from states.

Space colonies are too vulnerable as well, at least in the short term.

Anonymous comeflywithme October 08, 2017 3:39 PM  

Kurt, I've thought about this city-state notion (like SF and NYC, etc). But what is interesting, is that if they STAY diverse, without the surrounding corn-feed and import/export of blackness for example (or Aztecs), they will HAVE TO become JUST LIKE Singapore as far as criminal penalties.

The liberal-cum-libertarian paradise of free trade, artists and gays and all that, can ONLY be enforced and sustained by either being basically 95 percent white or having draconian laws aimed at punishing any derivation from basic decency--which will only be necessary if they have a population of blacks and/or other low IQ non-whites.

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid October 08, 2017 3:41 PM  

Speaking of segregation and such... There was an old Piers Anthony book, "Race Against Time," which, IIRC, had a white kid realizing he and his girlfriend, I believe, were basically living in a zoo, the last white people around. Everybody else was brown, or "standard," and wore light-colored skin makeup so the kids wouldn't figure it out. I don't remember it being a very good book, and given the really provocative plot, the odds of a reprint are pretty small.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 08, 2017 3:45 PM  

They will probably try extorting whites through guilt, as they've done for so long. Whites will probably jump at the opportunity to find them, since supporting their breakaway state means getting them out of our homes.
Nevertheless, eventually the black hand of economics will destroy their New African Republic(s). No amount of white funding will save it. At that point we will have to make some hard choices.

When it comes to Congoid Africans, their rapid reproduction rate and inability to coexist with civilization means that we ultimately will have two choices; sterilize many of them, or simply allow them to overtake the Earth. Their rapid reproduction is as much a weapon as our stealth aircraft.

Anonymous Crew October 08, 2017 3:52 PM  

What to do about blacks who are too smart to realize that their bread is buttered on the white side?

There will be and are blacks who realize that they are better off living with WT and so not want to move to a black nation in the former USA?

Is it just tough and they have to live with their co-ethnics?

Maybe they can create their own Supreme Court ... if Clarence Thomas is still alive then and their own Black Entertainment TV for Oprah! Or perhaps she could be their President!

Blogger BlowMe October 08, 2017 3:57 PM  

Yes, please start your own La'Demetrius States of America soon.

And take all the homies within a 100 mile radius of me first.

It would be most appreciated.

I know they are irreplaceable (heh), but it I guess it's just a risk I'll have to take.

Thanks in advance.

Love,

BlowMe.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 08, 2017 4:01 PM  

I live in St. Louis. Fearing them is normal, natural, and logical.
I've lost people to black on white violence. Our city is now not much different from Port-Au-Prince in parts.
They themselves won't let us just "let them be." They demand we take care of them, while they hate us at the same time.
Most race-realists acknowledge differences and note the affinity we have for our own groups, while reflecting hatred of others. I can't do that. I despise a good chunk of them. Black males 15-45 are the scourge of God.

Blogger Elizabeth October 08, 2017 4:07 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:Any large disruption of the shipping lines out of the Gulf Coast will lead to collapse of much of the 2nd & 3rd world into warfare.

I've mentioned before the China & Japan both have to import food. This isn't a small point. It's actually a point about the nature of both Empires & Nation-States. If you need to import food, you are beyond your extent to hold your own territory &/or population levels. Pretty much everyone imports cereal grains from the USA, and most of that is shipped out of the Gulf. (Not all, but enough.) Once the food isn't flowing, little else matters.

Which is why disruption of those supply flows would cause a pretty horrible mess of foreign influence/interactions. Into that mix, anything can happen.

As to the financial system, we can blow it up & rebuild it in a couple of months. Things would get bad, but the main issue is the need to find & execute a bunch of bankers. After that problem is solved, the rest isn't the hardest thing to deal with.


I read a book called "Twilight of Abundance" by David Archibald which predicted that food production worldwide would drop due to global cooling. Land currently used for food production would be too cold to raise or grow anything. Food prices will rise and that a band of Moslem countries from Morocco clean to Pakistan would see a mass die-off due to the price of food rising. They are reliant on expensive food imports as is and food would become unaffordable. He didn't take into account food aid and mass migration.

Blogger Elizabeth October 08, 2017 4:16 PM  

Robert What? wrote:There is one major problem with the Black Separatist movement. I am all for Blacks having their own piece of land. However Blacks are, on their own, completely unproductive. The Black State will quickly fall into poverty and chaos. They will have no choice but to either wage war on the White State or beg to be included.

I wonder how many blacks realize what you just pointed out? Considering that massive numbers of blacks are either at least partially dependent on or work for the government, did that thought enter their brains?

Blogger dc.sunsets October 08, 2017 4:20 PM  

@ Looking Glass, maps of the soils of the world show that only the middle of North America and parts of Europe actually can support high yield ag. Add in access to fresh water and we see that Americans sit on some of the most valuable real estate on Earth.

Possibly we're seeing the early stages of the next world conflict, and African fecundity & open borders are but the window dressing used to hide the real basis.

Blogger Matt October 08, 2017 4:24 PM  

Is there data on which segments of the black population are most dependant on thr government? Coastal/cities, vs rural, southern, etc. Basically, which blacks are the most worthless

Blogger Elizabeth October 08, 2017 4:26 PM  

WynnLloyd wrote:I live in St. Louis. Fearing them is normal, natural, and logical.

I've lost people to black on white violence. Our city is now not much different from Port-Au-Prince in parts.

They themselves won't let us just "let them be." They demand we take care of them, while they hate us at the same time.

Most race-realists acknowledge differences and note the affinity we have for our own groups, while reflecting hatred of others. I can't do that. I despise a good chunk of them. Black males 15-45 are the scourge of God.


I think that one of the reasons they hate whites is because they realize that they are dependent on us.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 08, 2017 4:26 PM  

Black's own piece of land is in Africa.

Yeah, about that...

Few things were more educational for African American Marines than port calls in Africa.

They would be the first off the boat wearing something alleged to be a "dashiki" and sporting those gold chains with the giant Africa shaped medallion on them (which tells you when this happened). Huge smiles on their faces, rushing to meet the people of the Forever Lost and Forever True Homeland.

By the third day none of them would get off the boat. They just stayed in their racks looking glum.

The African-Africans had been very frank and indeed "in their face" with them about where their home is...

...and it ain't in Africa.

Africans have a right to their own nationalism as well and they will not accept a problem that we ourselves created.

Anonymous Crew October 08, 2017 4:33 PM  

@60: Yes, when the cooling comes (not if) things will change considerably.

Blogger Meimou October 08, 2017 4:33 PM  

Be Deplorable, Not Afraid
Speaking of segregation and such... There was an old Piers Anthony book, "Race Against Time," which, IIRC, had a white kid realizing he and his girlfriend, I believe, were basically living in a zoo, the last white people around. Everybody else was brown, or "standard," and wore light-colored skin makeup so the kids wouldn't figure it out. I don't remember it being a very good book, and given the really provocative plot, the odds of a reprint are pretty small.

This reminds my of a ebook called it's a wonderful race.
tomatobubble. com/wonderfulrace1.html

Blogger Zimri October 08, 2017 4:33 PM  

Knockon effect here in Superior CO. The Buffalo Wild Wings has shut down. Sports bars don't do well when no-one wants to watch sports, at least the Sunday sports when the food and drinks are full price.

This is actually a bit annoying for me, who also watches baseball, and is following the Sox / Astros.

Anonymous Crew October 08, 2017 4:39 PM  

Africans have a right to their own nationalism as well and they will not accept a problem that we ourselves created.

We did not create it. They sold their own to the slaving ships finances by (((them))) and it is inherent in the African psyche.

Blogger Meimou October 08, 2017 4:40 PM  

FractionalSense
EVERY BLACK NATION, if left to it's own would eventually become Haiti or Liberia. It sickens me to see them co-opt EVERYTHING whites created, THEN HAVE THE BALLS to parrot this "cultural appropriation" meme everywhere. Bit$hes, you could not CREATE CULTURE TO APPROPRIATE. Blacks have no culture, nor any souls, they are soulless like animals. Listen and watch them, they are literally like zombies, prone to novelty, repetition, sparkly shiny things. They are NOTHING without whites. Some of them actually know this

I think a black nation ran by high yellows would do ok...

Blogger Robert Browning October 08, 2017 4:41 PM  

If blacks had there own country, blacks rulers would sell their own kind into slavery and Jews would be right there to facilitate the transaction.

Anonymous Panzer Man October 08, 2017 4:55 PM  

Crew wrote:Africans have a right to their own nationalism as well and they will not accept a problem that we ourselves created.

We did not create it. They sold their own to the slaving ships finances by (((them))) and it is inherent in the African psyche.


Yes -- and the Africans even KEPT 80% of the slaves themselves. So it's not like the market for the other countries was the primary driver of their slaving habits -- it was, at most, a fifth of demand. Most of it was that they were too lazy to work their own fields and wanted a bunch of helots to do it for them.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2017 4:59 PM  

I believe that what is coming for the United States will make the break up of Yugoslavia look like a No-Fault Divorce.

Blogger Elizabeth October 08, 2017 5:16 PM  

Robert Browning wrote:If blacks had there own country, blacks rulers would sell their own kind into slavery and Jews would be right there to facilitate the transaction.

Modern-day African rulers prefer to deal with the Chinese because they don't get human rights lectures in exchange for aid.

Blogger Dexter October 08, 2017 5:17 PM  

"Is there data on which segments of the black population are most dependant on thr government? Basically, which blacks are the most worthless"

Short answer, all of them.

Anonymous DissidentRight October 08, 2017 5:18 PM  

"thousand state sovereignty" model

There’s a critical mass required for a nation to be able maintain its sovereignty amidst hungry neighbors. Even libertarians will ultimately figure out that sovereign claims require a strong State to defend them.

Liberals and conservatives (e.g. socialists and free markets types_ don't like each other.

Liberals are parasites and can’t survive except by feeding off the economic, social, and moral capital created by conservatives. Liberalism as a political/cultural force won’t survive the coming wars, at which point MPAI + Most People Are Moderates = Mass Right Wing Cultural Shift. The Overton window will basically be, “Christian organizations should be legally permitted to prevent Mexicans from ethnically cleansing Blackmerica” … “Nah, let the best victim win.”

There will be seasteads and, ultimately, space colonies as well.

Nope, Antartica is vastly more habitable than Mars. And tin cans are like a fort in reverse…only defensible if most (all) planet-side launch facilities remain friendly.

Blogger Dexter October 08, 2017 5:20 PM  

"They would be the first off the boat wearing something alleged to be a "dashiki" and sporting those gold chains with the giant Africa shaped medallion on them (which tells you when this happened)."

I always wanted to get a red, white, and blue dashiki, a little round hat, and a medallion shaped like Europe.

Blogger Dexter October 08, 2017 5:22 PM  

Had one of those "yeah we're fucked" moments this weekend. Stopped at a small town in rural Pennsylvania. Shambling down the street is a family of Punjabs. Sitting on the kerb, three Latino toots.

Blogger Dexter October 08, 2017 5:23 PM  

Toots not toots.

Blogger Dexter October 08, 2017 5:24 PM  

Grrr I am done fighting autocorrect!

Blogger Gospace October 08, 2017 5:27 PM  

Cataline Sergius October 08, 2017 4:26 PM
Black's own piece of land is in Africa.
Yeah, about that...
Few things were more educational for African American Marines than port calls in Africa.


Yeah, something that most American blacks don't understand. In America, they're all limped together as Blacks, one big tribe. If you know something about Africans, you can tell which American blacks have East African and which have West African ancestors. There weren't a lot of imports from South Africa... If they're stocky and round faced, they're West African, Ghana or thereabouts. If they're skinny but not tall, probably East African. Normal build and tall, around Nigeria. But, none of them are members of any African tribe. They're all outcasts there. And, known to be descended from losers. Two strikes against them.

Just as whites in the United States. There are a few who cling to their ancestry. Notable in the Greek and other Orthodox communities. (Also Asians, but Asian women intermarry a lot, Asian men either marry an Asian or don't marry...) But generally, the Irish, English, Scottish, Welsh, Germans, Dutch, and Spanish (to name all the nations I've traced my ancestry back to- so far) are so interbred, that we're Americans, not any of the past. Some by their surname cling to a culture, but they're playing at it. I traced a friend of back who celebrated her Irish background with glee every St. Patrick's Day. Turns out her surname was Scottish. And she's a Mayflower descendant, of which she had no clue. She was a little bit Irish, but mostly English and German, with Scottish as the next major part. IOW, she, like me, was first and foremost an American. And most of us with ancestors traceable before the Revolution are the same.

In another blog, there was talk about how America had risen above tribalism, and the goal of the left is to drive us back into it. There's a point to that. But the big tribe would then be white. And a lot of the people in the made up ethnic community of Hispanic could be white by simply stating "I'm white." Asians aren't going to band together with blacks for "solidarity". And non-white Hispanics really, really don't like blacks. The outlook for their future looks bleak if things break out in the apocalyptic way envisioned in the comments here.

Anonymous Crew October 08, 2017 5:34 PM  

Let's say that the African Americans agree to take a part of the former USA. Clearly they won't want a place that is routinely hit by hurricanes, so Louisiana and so forth are out.

I would be happy to give them Massachusetts or California, but how do you get the Whites there to give up their land?

Blogger DonReynolds October 08, 2017 5:52 PM  

The basic difference between Confederates and Black Nationalists is pretty fundamental. Confederates define themselves as eleven former Confederate states. It really does not matter to them whether the citizens of those states are Asian, white, black, red, or brown. The Confederacy is a place and a people, the vast majority of which are still white. They have been a nation before and they fully expect to be a nation again, with specific lands and specific peoples.

The Black Nationalists have no land they claim other than Afrika and there is not one of the US fifty states that have anywhere near a black majority. Therein lies the difference and the problem. There is no black homeland in the USA, so either they intend to leave the USA (which I doubt) and return to Afrika OR they think they can carve out some contiguous land for themselves (which they may actually believe). They could never do that by force of arms but they might accomplish it by peaceful negotiation. WE in the South, would expect the Yankee Liberals to provide the land, since they are so fond of the black race (and would privately like to be shed of them as well).

Anonymous Crew October 08, 2017 5:56 PM  

In other news, it seems someone who was of interest in the Las Vegas massacre has killed himself and his disabled daughter:

http://www.neon-nettle.com/news/2893-key-witness-in-las-vegas-shooting-kills-self-and-daughter-following-fbi-raid

That site is linking him to the Vegas Massacre, while others are not:

http://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/local-news/two-people-found-shot-and-killed-in-fairport-home/825178083

Blogger VD October 08, 2017 5:56 PM  

I would be happy to give them Massachusetts or California, but how do you get the Whites there to give up their land?

Move all the blacks in. They'll move out fast enough.

Blogger DonReynolds October 08, 2017 6:05 PM  

Crew wrote:Let's say that the African Americans agree to take a part of the former USA. Clearly they won't want a place that is routinely hit by hurricanes, so Louisiana and so forth are out.

I would be happy to give them Massachusetts or California, but how do you get the Whites there to give up their land?


California would be the perfect choice, as I have said for decades....the first Black State. There are 37 million Negroes in the USA and California is already a state built for 40 million people. The infrastructure is already in place.

Either we give California over as the first Black State, or Mexico does the re-conquesta and we lose it anyway. At least if we gift California to the blacks, they will drive out the Mexican invaders and become a very good buffer state on the Mexican border.

How to get the whites in California to leave? Just move 35 million blacks there from the other 49 states and they will gladly leave.

Just make it interesting, have the US government agree to buy all the properties of whites leaving California with the intention of only selling them to blacks arriving from the other 49 states. Likewise, have the same US government buy all of the property of blacks moving to California, with the intention of selling that property to whites leaving California. No money even needs to change hands. Selling out means you have credit to buy elsewhere and the main beneficiaries will be those leaving California where property values are very high.

Anonymous DissidentRight October 08, 2017 6:07 PM  

I would be happy to give them Massachusetts or California

Give them part of Mexico. Or better yet, Canada. A few millennia of cold-climate selection and anyone can acquire white privilege.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 08, 2017 6:09 PM  

I would be happy to give them Massachusetts or California, but how do you get the Whites there to give up their land?

If most inner cities are any example, just move the Blacks in and the Whites will move somewhere else. Problem of course, being not letting them move to where we are...

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2017 6:16 PM  

@DonReynolds: The Latinos are currently driving the Blacks out of California. I don't think the African-Americans can take California even if we wanted to give it to them.

Anonymous gritsntime October 08, 2017 6:17 PM  

So like a baby, when stomping his feet didn't get him his way, Kapernig now says he will stand for the anthem if signed. Hilarious. So in the end, he really DOESN'T have any principles...mainly just blackstortion...that didn't work.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2017 6:21 PM  

I predict that after the coming 'troubles', the surviving members of the African-American Nation will largely make their home in the rural south. As I expect that by that time they will be no more than 5% of the US population, they will adapt to the rules imposed on them by the American majority.

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Blogger DonReynolds October 08, 2017 6:32 PM  

@81 Gospace
You seem confused and switch between race and nationality in your comment.

Negroes in the USA have no other nationality. They only have a race, and that his how they see themselves. Almost none of them could even guess the name of the 53 countries in Afrika that they originated from. (Many of the countries simply did not exist when they left Afrika.) There is no black Afrikan tribalism in the USA. It is only a race.

The whites from Europe often know the different nationalities that are included among their ancestors, but they are all the same race as well....yes, they may have been Celtic, or Teutonic, or Slavic in their origins, but those tribes were replaced by nationalities many centuries ago. The nationalities have only been a barrier for Europeans during wartime.

My Swiss ancestors crossed the Channel with William, Duke of Normandy, and became Englishmen. In fact, all of the Reynolds in the world came from the same place (Devonshire)....since that was the Anglicized version of their Swiss name.... Regenwald.

Blogger Bubba October 08, 2017 6:41 PM  

"Yes, please start your own La'Demetrius States of America soon.

And take all the homies within a 100 mile radius of me first."


This is ALWAYS the problem. Back in 1917 when the Jews were pimping for the Balfour Declaration, they spend months hammering out the language, sending it to Jewish groups all over the world for discussions and revision.

The big problem was that Jews living in the west did NOT want to go to Israel, dig ditches and plant vegetables in some sh!tty little desert pesthole commune.

So they compromised and amended the Declaration to say (in essence):

"We Jews get our own national homeland all to ourselves, but we don't have to go there if we don't feel like it, and you can't kick us out of your countries if we don't want to leave."

Blacks are going to pull the same "have our cake and eat it too" trick, believe me.

Like Israel, they will create Blacklandia laws that say "only black folks can own land in Blacklandia" (etc.), and they will still demand affirmative action and black quotas in America.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2017 6:43 PM  

@DonReynolds: I believe African-Americans are a unique African descended nation that has developed on the North American continent. I could more easily return to the United Kingdom than the average African-American could to Africa.

Anonymous Bastard Sysop October 08, 2017 6:44 PM  

I hope all those $5000 are legit backers, because if so, those are guys are real patriots.

Blogger DonReynolds October 08, 2017 6:53 PM  

@94 Bubba
"Like Israel, they will create Blacklandia laws that say "only black folks can own land in Blacklandia" (etc.), and they will still demand affirmative action and black quotas in America."

Very good, Bubba.
WE can accomplish this very simply with a amendment to the US Constitution.... only Negroes can vote in California and Negroes can only vote in California.

This is not entirely unprecedented, since the same thing was done with the 14th amendment after the civil war, with respect to former Confederates, including those who gave "aid and comfort to the enemies".

That would make it pretty clear that California is THE black state. Only blacks can vote there and they cannot vote anywhere else.

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 08, 2017 6:59 PM  

@21 Having worked at a small-town Mexican restaurant that went from a white general manager to a black GM, I unfortunately agree. I think he actually could do the job, but what he apparently cannot or will not do is enforce standards on the black back-of-the-house staff, and they have been seriously dragging down the rest of the place. I suspect he could actually be competent, but black in-group preference is wrecking that place.

Blogger Gospace October 08, 2017 8:16 PM  

DonReynolds October 08, 2017 6:32 PM
@81 Gospace
You seem confused and switch between race and nationality in your comment.


I was talking mostly tribes, not race or nationality. American is a nationality. Whites in America for the most part view themselves as Americans, not whites. IF we revert to tribalism, it's going to be to white, for there's been way too much mixing to go back to anything else. As for referring to countries in Africa, that was to provide a geographic reference. All national boundaries in Africa are an artificial Europeans construct. Sub-Saharan Africans for the most part are still tribal, not national. And tribes cross national borders.

Europe, for the most part, had national identities, sort of. But in the U.K. Scots, Irish, Welsh and English can tell each other at a glance, as well as recognize foreigners. North and South Italians can tell each other apart, and then there's Sicilians... And as we recently discovered, Spain is not Spain, but Catalonia and Spain... and some other regions. Germany is similarly made of different regions, that would split apart were it not for a perceived need to stay together. The fluid movement of people that occurs across the entire United States doesn't occur elsewhere. I have 3 children living in different states then me. All further away then any place in Europe is from any other. I've owned a house in 4 states, and lived in several others. I married a woman from a different state; my two married children married women from other states. But then, there's one branch of my extended family tree that hasn't lived more then 50 miles from Powhatan, VA since the 1600's. But each generation loses a few children to elsewhere as some stay behind.

Tribes, race, nationality all have fluid definitions. In the 1860 census there were 3 race choices for US census takers- white, black, Asian. On one page of the 1861 Canada census that one of my ancestors is on, the following RACES appear- Irish, Scotch, English, Welsh, German, Assyrian.

My Reynolds ancestors trace reliably back to Robert Reynolds b 1475 East Bergholt England.

Blogger Tom Terrific October 08, 2017 8:20 PM  

"Why shouldn't American whites and American blacks exercise the same Freedom of Association that is their unalienable right?"

For the same reason that White Men are not allowed to freely associate in "Gentlemen's Clubs" that are not strip joints anymore.

Have you forgotten? It's all about Power and Oppression. Whenever Whites get together the Power they generate in their businesses and politics OVERpowers all of the non-Whites who then become Oppressed by the (White) Man.

THAT is why White Men must NOT be allowed to freely associate. Everyone MUST have the right to invade White Male Spaces while being allowed to have their own color/sex segregation to which the White Males are not admitted. Besides, what self-respecting White Male would WANT to join their weak and pathetic Color Clubs and BFFSpaces?

Anonymous Mayor of Ungabunga October 08, 2017 8:29 PM  

Surely you can't deny the value of vibrancy!

How can anyone question the need for the culture that built the Duomo in Florence to be enriched by those who never built anything more complex than a mud hut?

Diversity is our strength!

Anonymous Ages October 08, 2017 8:43 PM  

Why do you hope that whites will give the land to blacks peacefully, instead of waging war to expell the blacks and keep the land?

Because they have been here for 400 years and have a certain right to parts of the country where they are the majority. Mississippi at the very least.

If you don’t want foreign people stealing parts of your country, don’t let them in. But once you do, you are ceding it to them. The Southwest will be gone too, by the way. Mexico will get most of its original territory back.

Blogger James October 08, 2017 9:13 PM  

"I hope it will be accomplished peacefully, and with a reasonable amount of justice and good will on every side, but I am skeptical that this will be possible, in part because the vast majority of people are still hopelessly delusional about the very nature of the multinational empire in which they reside."

Yes, and those that rule the empire are unflinchingly non-delusional and will not release what they believe belongs to them through right of theft. War is inevitable, I'm afraid.

Blogger James October 08, 2017 9:23 PM  

Meimou wrote:

I think a black nation ran by high yellows would do ok...


Since there is no evidence of this in the world today, that is just wishful thinking on your part. Would you consider Ethiopia "high yeller"? Let's say you do and that it passes as "OK", what about the dark skinned blacks that live within, like in the US? Do you think that "blacks" get along with "high yellows" or "red bones"? Apparently not.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 October 08, 2017 9:31 PM  

I am skeptical because if whites make an enclave for themselves it will be immediately invaded by blacks looking to better their situation. The only way you get blacks out of white neighborhoods is to price them out or failing that shoot them.

Anonymous DissidentRight October 08, 2017 9:31 PM  

@102 don’t let them in. But once you do, you are ceding it to them. The Southwest will be gone too, by the way. Mexico will get most of its original territory back.

Only if we let them. Why would we do that?

1. The Southwest would be a desert shithole if it had remained in Mexican hands. It is not a desert shithole. Why? Because our people mixed their labor with the land. It is ours.

2. Mexicans and other hispanics have invaded quite a lot of the US beyond the Southwest, and they have made it perfectly clear that they do not respect our laws, our language or our customs, and they have every intention to replace us. They will be removed from the rest of America, and that momentum will carry over to the Southwest.

3. If anything, America should cleanse and colonize Cancun as a warning to stop screwing with us, since these south-of-the-border peoples apparently have no respect for anything except naked displays of force.

Blogger Gospace October 08, 2017 10:42 PM  

DissidentRight October 08, 2017 9:31 PM
3. If anything, America should cleanse and colonize Cancun as a warning to stop screwing with us, since these south-of-the-border peoples apparently have no respect for anything except naked displays of force.


Baja California has beautiful beaches and is geographically connected to the lower 48 states. We should have taken it a long time ago....

Anonymous Forrest Bishop October 08, 2017 11:11 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:I read a book called "Twilight of Abundance" by David Archibald which predicted that food production worldwide would drop due to global cooling. Land currently used for food production would be too cold to raise or grow anything. Food prices will rise...

Don't count on it. While global cooling (unlike global warming) is a very real threat, the carbon dioxide enrichment of the atmosphere offsets the effect on plant growth. For the past 20 years or so, the Earth's temperature has been fairly stable- perhaps rising or falling a very small amount- but the global production of vegetation has been skyrocketing. This process is accelerating, which is why the CO2 levels aren't rising as fast as predicted: the vegetation of the Earth is absorbing it almost as fast as we can add more. CO2 enrichment is why, above all else, "food for over seven billion people is now grown on less land than it took to feed three billion just half a century ago."

Details of the biggest story on the planet-
https://www.scribd.com/document/319906948/The-Solution-to-the-Ice-Age-Extinctions

Anonymous Determinator October 08, 2017 11:41 PM  

I recall in the mid 90s in Colorado the African-American club "ouijima" or some other nonsense "African" word would sing the black national anthem during assemblies. Back then I could semi-openly suggest a White national anthem without being crucified by my peers. That was a real red-pill, I never really considered them American after that.


"Let's say that the African Americans agree to take a part of the former USA."
I have a few ideas on how the civil war will play out: Blacks will start it, it will slowly ramp up all over the country within a matter of weeks. Hispanics will see it as their opportunity, and will attack black or White as proximity determines. Within several months blacks will see massive die-off from starvation, and be quick to call for an end hoping to pretend that everything can go back the way it was. At this point the States will take the opportunity to split into their respective cultural regions. Each region will decide for themselves what to do with the blacks, and many may try to ship them off to neighboring regions. It may be a mistake to assume we should give them 13% of US land, as it's doubtful if even half will survive, and since they are already mostly located in urban areas, it makes sense to just give them parts of a few major cities (cordoned off, Berlin Wall style).

Anonymous CoolHand October 09, 2017 12:03 AM  

Forrest Bishop wrote:This process is accelerating, which is why the CO2 levels aren't rising as fast as predicted: the vegetation of the Earth is absorbing it almost as fast as we can add more. CO2 enrichment is why, above all else, "food for over seven billion people is now grown on less land than it took to feed three billion just half a century ago."

As the driver of a GMC 6.5L Turbo Diesel truck, You're Welcome.

Anonymous AB.Prosper October 09, 2017 12:14 AM  

Nick wrote:The Poles were praying the rosary at their borders yesterday (anniversary of the Christian victory over the Turks Battle of Lepanto):

Very cool but futile unless Poles come home and have many many children. The Polish TFR is 1.32 around that of Germans, maybe a bit lower than Germany. Getting to a stable population would require a 60% increase in the Fertility rate !

At least Poland won't have to send many back to live so there is that

By comparison White Swedish TFR is probably 1.7 or maybe a bit more and would require a 25% increase to have population growth , same in the rest of Scandinavia, the UK , the USA (about 20% will do for us) and a few other places

Note that a 25% increase is pretty easy. The US has seen several in the last few decades with swings from 1.8 to 2 and change among Whites

Religion won't save the West though.

What will save the West is the end of the US and the EU as powers. This will weaken globalists meddlers enough for survival inclined states to do what they need to do

The nations that repudiate female suffrage , female education above high school in most cases and possibly democracy will have a population increase

Internalize the economy to some degree as well , you'll need jobs for men as well

That said moving away from economies of scale , automation and "liberalism" into an authoritarian Right Wing state won't be easy or pleasant, AFAICT though its the only thing that will work


Blogger Lazarus October 09, 2017 12:47 AM  

AB.Prosper wrote:What will save the West is the end of the US and the EU as powers. This will weaken globalists meddlers enough for survival inclined states to do what they need to do

Globalism has in fact led people to transfer their primary loyalty away from the state. But they have not transferred it to Globalist institutions. Instead, they are transferring their primary loyalties to those more focused, more concrete (yes, God is more real than Globalism), and often more local entities, causes, etc. In other words, Globalism has ended up feeding Fourth Generation war.

---William S. Lind Oct. 7

What seems to be apparent here is that one has to destroy western civilization to save it, much like that mythical Vietnamese village.

The current structure of WC has to be destroyed to allow the Spirit of WC to survive.

Your welcome.

Anonymous AB.Prosper October 09, 2017 1:27 AM  

Lazarus wrote:What seems to be apparent here is that one has to destroy western civilization to save it, much like that mythical Vietnamese village.

The current structure of WC has to be destroyed to allow the Spirit of WC to survive.

Your welcome.


Not wrong but the reason the US and EU have to go though is to prevent the nation that chooses the path of survival from being "liberated" by the Cathedral.





Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 09, 2017 1:47 AM  

I very much doubt there is any non-partition-related going back without combining the Holocaust with the Killing Fields, and I think most people would agree that partition is preferable to that.

Well yeah, but what state has a political class that is not GloboHomo (as Chateau Heartiste styles it)? If they are all trained in the same colleges and universities in the same anti-Western Civ culture, then there is no way to avoid Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo, City vs. Country, because nothing less would restore self-determination.

Blogger Thucydides October 09, 2017 2:28 AM  

Sounds like you could start creating these Black and Hispanic ethnostates by simply erecting Jersey barriers across the roads leading into their neighbourhoods.

How they deal with issues like food, water, energy generation and so on will have to be up to them (as the resources and the efforts of a nation need to be focused on the survival of the nation and the welfare of their citizens). The fact they don't live in contiguous neighbourhoods, counties or States is really their problem. They didn't plan this out, and obviously never thought to adopt the culture and attitudes of the nation-state they were actually living in.

This is very likely the scenario in Civil War II as well, except there will be raiding parties jumping over the barricades to seize any available resources, and another layer of barricades will surround former "Blue" cities and counties to contain the violence within those borders.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch October 09, 2017 2:49 AM  

Yes, I truly feel as though the majority of the blacks here despise America, and want to be their own nation. In fact, they ARE their own nation, with--it seems--no loyalty to the United States.

Unfortunately for them, they are on American soil.

Blogger Lemur October 09, 2017 6:00 AM  

"we indians" lel

ok tonto

Anonymous Forrest Bishop October 09, 2017 8:12 AM  

CoolHand wrote:As the driver of a GMC 6.5L Turbo Diesel truck, You're Welcome.

That's a good thing, but accredited, peer-reviewed studies consistently show that plants prefer the exhaust from my Ford 6.0L Power Stroke Diesel over the Jimmy's.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 09, 2017 2:07 PM  

torpedo wrote:Why compromise and partition in the first place and voluntarily give up land, when you will have to draconically enforce racial cleansing anyway?
Because White guilt exists, and we will need a clean conscience going forward.  If the Blacks kill each other off, it's not by our hand.  We can take the land back after they're gone, or trade our food for their land until it's all ours again.  We can recolonize a few survivors at the end, just pay them to go.

This assumes that the black state doesn't ally with one of our enemies and start arming up or taking foreign troops.  That's casus belli and again, clean conscience.

Crew wrote:Seasteads are too vulnerable to action from states.
Seasteads are mobile, at least in theory.  They can choose state sponsors at will, and they don't occupy anyone's land so they are not likely to meet with resistance from the landlubbers.  And what government doesn't like new taxpayers?

Space colonies are too vulnerable as well, at least in the short term.
Space colonies have the entire solar system to pick from.  If they're self-sufficient for all heavy and bulky goods, they can really and truly get away from it all.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 09, 2017 3:32 PM  

@85  Simple, direct, proven by experience...  The problem is that Blacks are already trying to get out of Blackistan and won't go for it.  The only way they'll go is at gunpoint.  By the time we're ready for that, there won't be patience left for separation.  It'll be rendering plants and tree chippers.

We'll be okay as long as we and not (((they))) write the histories.

@87  Some rapefugees in Minnesota learned that Trump was going to be the president and decided to walk to Canada.

In the middle of winter.

Without proper coats and gloves.

Such a shame that they were rescued from their natural fate by some wipeepo.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/refugees-frostbite-manitoba-1.3930146

Ages wrote:The Southwest will be gone too, by the way. Mexico will get most of its original territory back.
California isn't habitable by 30+ million without power, fuel and food from the rest of the USA.  Just cutting the pacific and intermountain interties and gas pipelines would cause a massive die-off within days.

Forrest Bishop wrote:This process is accelerating, which is why the CO2 levels aren't rising as fast as predicted: the vegetation of the Earth is absorbing it almost as fast as we can add more.
Liar.  Well over 400 ppm at the annual low point and still accelerating:  https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/mlo_full_record.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UatUDnFmNTY

CO2 enrichment is why, above all else, "food for over seven billion people is now grown on less land than it took to feed three billion just half a century ago."
Liar again.  Without added potash, phosphorus, nitrogen and intensive plant breeding (Norman Borlaug's "green revolution") this would not have happened.

Determinator wrote:Each region will decide for themselves what to do with the blacks, and many may try to ship them off to neighboring regions.
The unwilling recipients will send them straight to the rendering plants.  This might be easier on those involved, though; they're invaders whose neighbors found them intolerable.

since they are already mostly located in urban areas, it makes sense to just give them parts of a few major cities (cordoned off, Berlin Wall style).
They're not competent fire-fighters.  The first serious blaze will spread and keep spreading, leaving them with no city.  You might try this in a few places like Selma that are already destroyed, but you don't want to sacrifice any place with decent architecture or good ports or anything.

Anonymous Anonymous October 09, 2017 5:17 PM  

I expect they will want to have a "blacks only" nation within a nation where only they can go, but they would be free to venture out of their reservation to hit the bars in the white parts of the country, go shopping, pick up girls, etc. Safe spaces for me but not for thee.

Anonymous Ages October 09, 2017 5:40 PM  

California isn't habitable by 30+ million without power, fuel and food from the rest of the USA. Just cutting the pacific and intermountain interties and gas pipelines would cause a massive die-off within days.

Oh, certainly. Just as Mexicans may have a right of sovereignty in California, so do neighboring states to cease trading with them. These manmade oases will—and ought to—return to the desert from whence they came.

But not before California is independent. We don't need refugees of their ilk flooding into the rest of America. Californian émigrés leave nothing but death and decay in their wake.

Anonymous Pennywise October 09, 2017 8:16 PM  

California, nor Texas, nor any state, will become independent.

Partition is off the table.

American soil belongs to we normies, not the radicals on the right or left.

IF a miracle occurs, and there is a civil war, I hope it is long and bloody. Then we will find out who is in control and, of course, whether the armchair warriors here will be on the front lines or in the back row.

Blogger liberranter October 09, 2017 8:44 PM  

Takeaway? They consider themselves blacks first, and Americans second.

Most dindus don't consider themselves to be Americans at all. Why the white majority continues to treat them as such is truly mystifying.

People from all over the world have, over the last two centuries, sacrificed everything to attempt to become Americans. Many were never able to do so, for many reasons, despite their sacrifices. Why should anyone who actively does not want the title "American" by labeled with it when others more deserving who truly do value it are desperate for it?

Give the North American dindus their own "stan" in some godforesaken part of sub-Saharan Africa and charter a fleet of container ships to transport them all over there and dump them off. Maybe then the whining and the trouble here will stop.

Anonymous Pennywise October 10, 2017 10:16 AM  

Of courses blacks consider themselves to be American.

Tens of millions of immigrants have made the requisite sacrifices to become Americans.

The Alt Right already have their redoubts. You will be fine living there.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 14, 2017 4:55 AM  

That's a good point.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 14, 2017 5:05 AM  

Those immigrants were white.

Partition is inevitable. Multiethnic empires can only be held together via economic benefit. Once that goes the breakup begins.

In other words, the state has to provide people with enough wealth to blunt their natural tribalism.
Ideology plays no role.

Blogger jdgalt October 14, 2017 4:08 PM  

An *attempted* War for Black Independence may be coming. Bring it. They'll lose.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 18, 2017 6:50 PM  

Derb has it right.  If Blacks could handle independence, they'd already be off to Haiti or Liberia or another one of those African paradises.

They can't.  They need us to maintain anything resembling civilization and a modern economy, whereas they are a dead loss to us.  Thus, any so-called "war of Black liberation" will actually be a war to conquer territory, enslave Whites and otherwise increase their already-excessive drain on the productive.

What that will do, of course, is justify a war of Black extermination with Hispanics fighting alongside Whites.  It will end VERY poorly for Blackie.

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