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Monday, October 16, 2017

Mailvox: successfully fighting SJWs

HS writes to tell how SJWADD helped her rout an SJW attempting to converge her neighborhood's site:
Just wanted to send my thanks for your great primer on fighting SJWs.  Today on a social networking site used in my neighborhood I saw an attempt at an SJW convergence.  I instantly recognized the technique from reading your book about SJWs, and used the methods you described to stop it.  Of course she used the SJW argument about “civility” and “inclusion” but I was able to predict and rebut her arguments, and those of her white knight.  My instant fighting back and strong rhetoric encouraged others neighbors to attack her, and she ended up leaving the site.  I’m glad I read your book because I would probably have argued in good faith and not been aggressive, and we may have lost a great tool my neighborhood uses for security, recommendations, and finding services.  It was really amazing to watch how she argued exactly as you said she would, it was like being psychic.  Thanks for your effort in fighting these people!
This stuff actually works because it's real and it is battle-tested. It's not all just theory and hypotheses.

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43 Comments:

Anonymous TD October 16, 2017 7:41 PM  

Would like to hear more about the form of entryism. Sounds like it might've been a code of conduct or truth and safety council but.

Blogger Lovekraft October 16, 2017 7:42 PM  

And that's because I believe you approached it from a place of TRUTH, based on historical evidence, universal truths, etc. Coming from that origin speaks to people.

The enemy, on the other hand, can easily be spotted, for their actions do not come from that place and usually reveal their true motives with a little digging.

Biblical versus earthly.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 16, 2017 7:47 PM  

And now that they been outed, they are extremely predicable.

Anonymous Uber-Lyft man October 16, 2017 7:53 PM  

I'll confirm that the fighting SJW techniques also worked on Facebook forums for local Uber-Lyft drivers. I'm very quick with the flaming ban hammer as soon as such nonsense can't be squelched.

Blogger JACIII October 16, 2017 7:59 PM  

Bravo! The methods of SWJAL, SJWADD, and GamerGate are the flaming swords of the right.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 16, 2017 8:03 PM  

*applause*
Good to hear that the good guys won another round in the battle.
I have a copy of SJWAL on my Kindle, hoping that I won't have to use it... but you just never know when the sewers will back up and the roaches will start to colonize again.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton October 16, 2017 8:08 PM  

I speial-ordered SJWAL at my neighborhood independent bookstore last Friday. I had some trepidation about scandalizing them by doing this, but the order went through without a murmur or a burp.

Blogger pdwalker October 16, 2017 8:18 PM  

VD, if you haven't done so today, pat yourself on the back. You deserve it.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams October 16, 2017 8:23 PM  

Woo hoo! Good for HS and thanks Vox for writing SJWADD and SJWAL.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin October 16, 2017 8:38 PM  

"My instant fighting back and strong rhetoric encouraged others neighbors to attack her, and she ended up leaving the site."

I have seen multiple attempts at convergence beaten back on my neighborhood site. Libs and Progs can be amazingly pragmatic when in the process of gentrifying a neighborhood, especially when they feel as if they personally possess a level of leftist credibility that renders them immune to accusations of racism. E.g., they want full and detailed descriptions of neighborhood miscreants, political correctness be damned.

Blogger GraceIronwood October 16, 2017 8:45 PM  

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Blogger GraceIronwood October 16, 2017 8:47 PM  

Entryism: a classic example to study is Militant Tendency's takeover of branches of the British Labour Party. More recently the antics of the "Labour" Mayor of the islamic city-state of Tower Hamlets is a good example. The first were Trots, the second, Islamists.(obviously)

Blogger Lazarus October 16, 2017 9:12 PM  

I smell a Nobel Prize, once Nobelprize.org is de-converged.

Blogger Junius Stone October 16, 2017 9:15 PM  

Don't be civil. They won't be. Even if you utterly capitulate, the slightest misstep, the SJWs eat their own. Fight, fight hard. Fight without mercy.

Blogger Simple living October 16, 2017 9:52 PM  

I also keep a copy on my kindle at work. I am in a profession that boasts of being over 90% liberal. It's only a matter of time.

Anonymous NightSkyRadio October 16, 2017 9:55 PM  

I bought SJWADD. Thank you for writing it, Vox. I hope I never need to apply it, but I'm not betting on that.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 16, 2017 10:53 PM  

Timely.
I am chairman a school board. Have been working on purging the organization of SJW and their sympathizers. Takes a while. Yields YUGE benefits.

I need to write a letter explaining a board action to some parents in response to an anonymous letter. I have carefully avoided apologizing for anything. A number of the staff have specifically requested the second draft to include several apologies. I didn't even realize how much I'd internalized the lessons from SJW Always Lie and the sequel until they pointed out that my first draft lacked any specific apology.

I've got some educating to do with some of the staff ahead of me.

Thank God for these two books.


Blogger pdwalker October 16, 2017 11:01 PM  

I don't know about the rest of you, but I just *love* hearing these stories where the SJW's get beaten back.

Civilization is such a wonderful thing, and so fragile. As I get older, the more I begin to detest those who would tear it down.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 16, 2017 11:09 PM  

Speaking of SJW's:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UPuUUvCr6JbNlAaZfRH9MjSIN7scxYjKC9HiNHo-JYA/edit

Anyone here if they were a kid would be like, 'WHAT THE FUCK!?' because I know I would if I was kid there. I'd probably be wanting to get the fuck out of there if I could slip past the adults.

Blogger Lazarus October 16, 2017 11:17 PM  

forget God help California.......... Its fire and Brimstone time

Blogger DiscoverSuccess2 October 16, 2017 11:28 PM  

@Lazarus, on that note they've found Sodom at Tall el-Hamaam Jordan... fire and brimstone, the works.

Anonymous Siobhan October 16, 2017 11:36 PM  

California is already on fire.

Anonymous MawBTS October 17, 2017 3:42 AM  

Just remember to pick your battles. It's not worth becoming a social pariah over something small and stupid.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 17, 2017 4:26 AM  

You only become a social pariah if you:
Haven't already actively engaged others in your social circle and enlisted them by adding value to their lives. Notice the adverb "actively".
Use some of your new free time from skipping watching professional athletes who hate your guts and would love to see you killed.

And second, don't sperg out in when you go to battle. Don't try to convince with logic. Don't apologize. Don't get overly wordy. Just bring it.

You'd be surprised how many supporters will have your back.

Blogger GraceIronwood October 17, 2017 4:55 AM  

Revelation Means Hope wrote:Timely.

I am chairman a school board. Have been working on purging the organization of SJW and their sympathizers. Takes a while. Yields YUGE benefits.

I need to write a letter explaining a board action to some parents in response to an anonymous letter. I have carefully avoided apologizing for anything. A number of the staff have specifically requested the second draft to include several apologies. I didn't even realize how much I'd internalized the lessons from SJW Always Lie and the sequel until they pointed out that my first draft lacked any specific apology.

I've got some educating to do with some of the staff ahead of me.

Thank God for these two books.



I admire what you are doing and thank you for it.

On this topic Freedom Alternative is a Czech site that offers astute and practical advice on waging cultural war. Practical Politics, one school district at a time.

Anonymous rien October 17, 2017 4:59 AM  

"Just remember to pick your battles. It's not worth becoming a social pariah over something small and stupid."

That -in a nutshell- is why the left so often wins.

How could we possibly object to this small thing... and this... and that.. oh, and this of course...

Death by a thousand cuts.

Blogger Valtandor Nought October 17, 2017 5:47 AM  

rien wrote:"Just remember to pick your battles. It's not worth becoming a social pariah over something small and stupid."

That -in a nutshell- is why the left so often wins.

How could we possibly object to this small thing... and this... and that.. oh, and this of course...

Death by a thousand cuts.


If the group would ostracise you for opposing a piece of SJW nonsense, however small, they were already your enemies. They just hadn't had an excuse to show it yet.

And paying an enemy tribute or surrendering territory in the hope he will go away seldom works. There's a reason we recognise Danegeld and Appeasement as losing strategies.

Blogger artensoll October 17, 2017 6:15 AM  

I would very much like to hear more detail from HS about her successful campaign.

Blogger Elizabeth October 17, 2017 6:33 AM  

Valtandor Nought wrote:rien wrote:"Just remember to pick your battles. It's not worth becoming a social pariah over something small and stupid."

That -in a nutshell- is why the left so often wins.

How could we possibly object to this small thing... and this... and that.. oh, and this of course...

Death by a thousand cuts.


If the group would ostracise you for opposing a piece of SJW nonsense, however small, they were already your enemies. They just hadn't had an excuse to show it yet.

And paying an enemy tribute or surrendering territory in the hope he will go away seldom works. There's a reason we recognise Danegeld and Appeasement as losing strategies.


In the 1990s, Mayor Rudy Giulani of NYC had miscreants arrested for petty crimes, e.g., jumping subway turnstiles. Minor matters in a city full of major crimes? Yes, but many were wanted for bigger crimes. Plus, it showed that he meant business and the crime rate dropped.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 17, 2017 6:51 AM  

Reading it on KU, sorry Vox but our income stream was recently limited a bit, else I’d have outright purchased it. I’ll likely get the hard copy when things turn around.

It’s great. I run into SJWs everywhere and usually ignore them, but it’s starting to cause friction in many personal relationships and I don’t know how to handle it. The book can be a guide. I am not seeking to directly change minds every day, but I think of fighting SJWs the way I think of spreading Christianity. Be the example, do t back down, fight for truth, and remember that a bell, once sounded, cannot be unrung. You’re not fighting your opponent for his sake or yours, but for the audience.

I have a professional pollster friend who is going to positively seethe at the notion that she “puts her thumb on the scale” as you so aptly put it. Oh the triggering! But I have a sliver of faith that she might at least glance at the right if it...

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 17, 2017 6:54 AM  

Gee, I wish somebody would actually do something important to the fight for our civilization. Nobody seems to be doing anything other than bitching on the internet.


(Well done, Vox)

Anonymous Avalanche October 17, 2017 8:00 AM  

@27 "If the group would ostracise you for opposing a piece of SJW nonsense, however small, they were already your enemies. They just hadn't had an excuse to show it yet.

And paying an enemy tribute or surrendering territory in the hope he will go away seldom works. There's a reason we recognise Danegeld and Appeasement as losing strategies."

Ooooh quick! Someone tell the NRA!!!

Anonymous Avalanche October 17, 2017 8:05 AM  

@30 "a bell, once sounded, cannot be unrung."

I always phrase that "can't be un-HEARD!" Bells can ring and people can not even notice them in the modern "din"... But, esp., when urging our folks onward -- I find that it brings hope (and strength to go on) to remind them that even folks who hate the truth ("it burns, it BURNS!") cannot extricate it from their being.

Anonymous patrick kelly October 17, 2017 9:46 AM  

Years ago before I discovered the ilk I read a book about dealing with agitators whiners and other diversions and distractions in Church communities.
I don't remember the title of it but the content if I remember right was very similar to what Vox writes.

I wonder if it is still in print.

Anonymous BBGKB October 17, 2017 10:51 AM  

I speial-ordered SJWAL at my neighborhood independent bookstore last Friday.

Get yourself a Mexican Matricula Consular ID card with a wetback version of your name and you can order Ragnar Benson books there for fun.

forget God help California.......... Its fire and Brimstone time

I hear there are only 9 STR8 people left in San Fran

Anonymous DamnTheTorpedoes October 17, 2017 11:58 AM  

BBGKB wrote:
I hear there are only 9 STR8 people left in San Fran

You mean Trans Francisco? Those straight people are tourists...

Blogger VD October 17, 2017 12:38 PM  

Just remember to pick your battles. It's not worth becoming a social pariah over something small and stupid.

Stop cucking. You should not be giving advice to anyone. If you had read the book, you would know "it's just this one brick" is a known SJW strategy.

I run into SJWs everywhere and usually ignore them, but it’s starting to cause friction in many personal relationships and I don’t know how to handle it.

Never fear friction in a personal relationship. An SJW will ALWAYS turn on you anyhow, so the sooner you figure out who they are and cut them out of your life, the better.

You're not unique. You're not special. The SJWs in your life are no different than the SJWs in everyone else's life. They WILL turn on you and you damn well know it, which is why you are worrying about "friction".

Embrace the friction. Your "friends" are not who you think they are.

Blogger Matamoros October 17, 2017 2:26 PM  

35. BBGKB October 17, 2017 10:51 AM
Get yourself a Mexican Matricula Consular ID card with a wetback version of your name and you can order Ragnar Benson books there for fun.

And how does one get this magic card?

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 17, 2017 2:53 PM  

Any Mexican consulate should be able to issue one.

Anonymous BBGKB October 17, 2017 6:37 PM  

And how does one get this magic card?

Lou Dobbs did a special on them, they just hand them out at Mexican consulates, he didn't even need to get a spray tan. But some places accept them as ID

Blogger Dirk Manly October 17, 2017 8:09 PM  

I wanna be Juan Valdez

Blogger Dirk Manly October 17, 2017 8:10 PM  

Everybody knows Juan Valdez is the first person in the world to get his hands on the best coffee beans in the world.

Anonymous SomeTechAnonFag October 18, 2017 12:03 AM  

When I started going hard at any sign of SJW infestation especially if they're actively engaging my life quality and mood improved drastically.

Step 1: Tell the truth but in a hyperbolic manner.
Step 2: If they agree or disagree with your message they pass. If they start tone policing they fail.
Step 3: SJWS(AL/DD/P) for the failures.

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