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Monday, October 23, 2017

More Vegas anomalies

Some more anomalies about the Las Vegas shootings are beginning to surface:
On the night of October 1, Youtuber Benjamin Franks and his friend had just grabbed some tacos and were heading back to their hotel room at the MGM when they noticed a separate disturbance at the corner of Las Vegas Blvd and Tropicana Ave.

15-minutes later, from the leisure of his hotel room, Franks managed to capture bombshell video footage which shows a total of 17 ambulances removing human bodies from Hooters, contradicting the official story told by Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo.

“They are just pulling so many bodies out of that Hooters,” a man’s voice can be heard saying at the 24-second mark. “I don’t know if people are dead — I don’t know if people are just injured — they just keep pullin’ them out though […] something definitely happened at Hooters though.”

“It must have happened at Hooters dude because they are all showing up there,” he said. “It looks like most of them are at Hooters.”
As usual, the one thing you can be sure did not happens is whatever the current version of the Official Story is.

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107 Comments:

Anonymous Incurvatus October 23, 2017 12:05 PM  

Was Hooters a triage site?

Blogger FALPhil October 23, 2017 12:07 PM  

I have a hard time trusting anything that is published at infowars.com, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

It will be interesting if more corroborating evidence surfaces.

Blogger exfarmkid October 23, 2017 12:08 PM  

FWIW....

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555170283/hooters-casino-dealer-describes-scene-near-las-vegas-shooting

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 23, 2017 12:12 PM  

@1

Mass casualty triage is performed in situ.

If mass casualty triage is being performed at Hooters, then hooters was a site of mass casualty.

Anonymous Dan October 23, 2017 12:16 PM  

The Hooters hotel is basically the same distance from the concert as Mandalay Bay, in the opposite direction. With 546 people injured, if people were running away from the shots, many would have wound up at the Hooters hotel.

Not a surprise.

Blogger Kauf Buch October 23, 2017 12:16 PM  

Some additional info which raises yet more questions:
https://www.intellihub.com/photographer-suspicious-black-case-earbuds-mandalay-bay/

Anonymous marcus barry October 23, 2017 12:19 PM  

There's video of a lockdown at the Bellagio after someone apparently fired shots into the lobby shortly after the Mandalay Bay shooting as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m7X63stwf8
You'd think somebody would ask the LVPD about this.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 23, 2017 12:20 PM  

Mass casualty triage is performed in situ.

If mass casualty triage is being performed at Hooters, then hooters was a site of mass casualty.


Or else wounded people ran (or were carried) into Hooters to get out of the target zone and the ambulances picked them up there.

There are a lot of curious things about this shooting that don't add up, but this isn't one of them.

Blogger Warren Yurmind October 23, 2017 12:23 PM  

JFK 1961: “We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless CONSPIRACY that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence- on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.

It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed…"

Blogger Doug Walker October 23, 2017 12:27 PM  

I tend to lurk rather than comment, but in this instance, I think this might not be nefarious at all. Don't get me wrong, I don't buy the LV narrative, but what this may be is simply a casualty collection point. I spent 32 years (including military time) as a medic/firefighter, and actually teach principles of mass casualty incident management (not to read my rather bland resume' or appeal to authority). The Hooters might have been, logistically, the safest, closest, and--given the cross street--most convenient route for medic units to access the wounded. Just a thought.

Blogger Daniel Bendele October 23, 2017 12:29 PM  

Don't worry. President Bannon Trump will declasify the files in 60 years.

Anonymous Crew October 23, 2017 12:32 PM  

@11: Damn. If only I could live that long!

Anonymous fop October 23, 2017 12:41 PM  

A) Run towards automatic gunfire, or
B) Run towards Hooters.

Such a tough decision...


Blogger Dangeresque October 23, 2017 12:42 PM  

Hezekiah Garrett wrote:Mass casualty triage is performed in situ.

If mass casualty triage is being performed at Hooters, then hooters was a site of mass casualty.


Unless "in situ" is being peppered with automatic gunfire by an active shooter.

Thanks for using the Latin though so we can tell you're smart.

Blogger Ceasar October 23, 2017 12:42 PM  

If a weapon has a maximum effective range of 300m, that doesn't mean bullets magically drop to the ground at 301m. Considering the shooter(s) were using bump stocks which would add to their inaccuracy, who knows how far and where stray bullets landed.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 23, 2017 12:44 PM  

@8 Are you sure you understand the discussion you are entering?

It was proposed by the first commenter that Hooters could have become a triage site. I pointed out, based on my professional experience BTW, why this would not be so. Most likely, in light of @4's link, these were wounded concert goers. IF they were triaged at Hooters, it would be because a bunch of wounded victims wandered into Hooters on their own. 14 wounded concert goers at Hooters would then make Hooters a mass casualty site regardless of where the victims were attacked.

Tl;Dr we agree, but maybe you are too short for the ride?

Anonymous Dan October 23, 2017 12:48 PM  

I think the reason people aren't talking much is obvious. With tons of lawsuits, people tend to clam up.

No doubt everyone remotely involved, from the hotel to security firms to the city is being sued. If you are being sued the lawyers advise you to shut up, lest you make your lawsuit situation worse.

Hell, even other nearby hotels can be blamed for not responding properly, from not opening their doors to opening their doors and providing inadequate care.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 23, 2017 12:51 PM  

@14. No, you are flatly wrong.

t. NR-AEMT

Blogger Lazarus October 23, 2017 1:05 PM  

Has anyone else seen the photos claiming to show the Security guard Campos and the Ellen guest Campos are not the same person?

Blogger wired216 October 23, 2017 1:07 PM  

Is there a link?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 23, 2017 1:07 PM  

Heads up duded! Mr. President just put up a petition asking citizens to stand with him in to ask the NFL dickbags to stand for the national anthem!

https://www.westernjournalism.com/trump-takes-matters-hands-releases-petition-calling-nfl-players-stand/

You can sign the petition here!

https://gop.com/stand-for-anthem-petition/

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 23, 2017 1:16 PM  

@21

Meant to say 'dudes.' Guess in my excitement, I didn't spell check correctly.

Blogger KBuff October 23, 2017 1:17 PM  

There are a couple of short YouTube videos from "Ronson in sin California" purporting to be from Hooters that night, apparently before the ambulances started showing up. Looks like it might have been a place where quite a few people ran from the concert. Hard to tell what the status of some of the people in the casino are from the video, but if their wounds were substantial, it's amazing they made it that far.

Regardless, the reports of gunfire at other casinos (Bellagio (eyewitnesses Rene Downs and husband, Dan), Tropicana, NY NY, etc.) make me think we don't have anywhere close to the whole story.

Blogger FALPhil October 23, 2017 1:22 PM  

@15 Ceasar wrote:
Considering the shooter(s) were using bump stocks which would add to their inaccuracy, who knows how far and where stray bullets landed.

Has it actually been established that the 2 rifles equipped with bump stocks were actually used in the shooting? I may have missed it, but I hadn't heard anything definitive.

Anonymous badhairday October 23, 2017 1:27 PM  

If mass casualty triage is being performed at Hooters, then hooters was a site of mass casualty.

If triage was being performed at Hooters, then casualties were present at Hooters.


Fixed it for you.

Anonymous Athor Pel October 23, 2017 1:33 PM  

"24. Blogger FALPhil October 23, 2017 1:22 PM
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Has it actually been established that the 2 rifles equipped with bump stocks were actually used in the shooting? I may have missed it, but I hadn't heard anything definitive.
"


There were photos released by the LV police of the shooter's hotel room. A rifle in the photos had a bump stock. The photos also showed fired brass on the floor but not enough of them.

Anonymous Crew October 23, 2017 1:34 PM  

Has anyone done a search for bullets that missed? They might turn up some 6.5x52 left over from Dallas!

Blogger Lazarus October 23, 2017 1:39 PM  

wired216 wrote:Is there a link?

I did not save it, I was surfing.

Blogger FALPhil October 23, 2017 1:54 PM  

@26 Athor Pel wrote:There were photos released by the LV police of the shooter's hotel room. A rifle in the photos had a bump stock. The photos also showed fired brass on the floor but not enough of them.

Well, that was kind of my point. They released pictures of rifles with bump stocks, but never unequivocally stated that those particular rifles were used in the shooting. So, let me clarify: Have any of the recovered projectiles been matched to rifles with bump stocks?

As an aside, I find the issue around bump stocks mildly amusing, since I often demonstrate bump firing technique to amaze my non-shooting friends without the use of a bump stock.

Anonymous Grayman October 23, 2017 1:57 PM  

The only reasonable statement that can be made based off the available information to date is that the official narrative is BS, whichever version they are currently going with.

Beyond that you can make lots of guesses but thats it. And the narratives have been so FUBAR that when the official files on this event end up publicly releases at some point, quite a few people will (reasonably) refuse to believe that.

Its a grand case of liar syndrome. TPTB lie so often about so much it is generally more accurate and safer to assume that anything they say is a lie.

All you can really take from this is that the risk profile of public events have been moved up a few notches and should probably be considered potential high value targets at this point (i.e. stay away from crowds)

Anonymous Anonymous October 23, 2017 2:02 PM  

This is not looking good for Trump if a coverup this big is indeed happening under his watch.

The DOJ's entire staff need to be canned and Sessions put out to pasture.

Blogger Koanic October 23, 2017 2:02 PM  

I don't think this is a deliberate intelligence op. If it were, the purpose would be gun control, but this backfires by looking like a Commie SEA mudsharking ISIS Boomer with an intelligence-community padded bank account. So I think this is them losing control of a guy, because they're treasonously incompetent. Like the Awan brothers.

I don't think it's a gun buy gone bad, or a patsy. This guy deliberately went out in style, making a political statement, for 40 virgins and an end to ignominious aging. I'd be surprised if there were a second shooter. He'd be unnecessary and at tremendous risk.

I think the coverup is for investigative leeway and CYA, and the rest is FUD noise.

Blogger Kettle October 23, 2017 2:04 PM  

I'm actually a bit surprised /pol hasn't pulled off an audio analysis to determine how many shooters there were, how may different calibers / weapons were fired.
comparing the audio analysis from multiple videos at different physical locations at the same time points should allow someone skilled enough to essentially triangulate and analyze the gun fire profile.

Anonymous Grayman October 23, 2017 2:10 PM  

Koanic,

The problem for TPTB is that if you push FUD as the standard narrative then at some point you start to get a lot of average joes who begin to lump TPTB in with "bad guy" simply by default due to FUD.
How many people buy the official narrative of any big event anymore? Its only a few more steps past that to start seeing TPTB as a threat.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 23, 2017 2:11 PM  

@25 but that isn't accurate at all. There are casualties at every trauma scene, even a single drunk ramming a concrete barrier. But there isn't triage at every trauma scene. Because triage is performed at the Emergency Department.

Mass Casualty Triage is performed in the field by EMTs when casualties outnumber immediately available transports. You have to code everyone green, yellow, red, or black.

So the first guy on the scene grabs the bag and starts giving directions. Anyone who can hear those first commands to gather in a specific area are your greens.

Then you have to check out every single body that did not follow that direction and determine if they are beyond saving, and therefore left for dead (black), requiring immediate lifesaving intervention (red), requiring immediate medical attention (yellow). While he is triaging, other EMS as they arrive begin working the reds and then the yellows. Once he finishes triaging every victim, he then joins in the work to be done.

I've never had to triage an MCI, thank God.

What NEVER happens is "Let's drag everybody over to Hooters and THEN we'll figure out who needs what" and/or "police haven't secured the scene, let's go drag folks to Hooters to triage them anyway!"

What can happen is "the shot up music festival isn't secured yet, but we have reports some survivors ambled over to Hooters. While we wait for the cops to do their job, let's go grab those guys and get them to the ED."

Anonymous Athor Pel October 23, 2017 2:34 PM  

"29. Blogger FALPhil October 23, 2017 1:54 PM
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So, let me clarify: Have any of the recovered projectiles been matched to rifles with bump stocks?
...
"



That's a CSI question and if this was a television universe we would have the answer before the next major commercial break.

But I would bet real money that no law enforcement investigative unit will do those tests because the perp is dead. Those tests cost money and since there isn't going to be a criminal trial the need for courtroom evidence goes away.

Next bet, if they do "find" bullets and they do test them I will again bet real money that they will match one of Paddock's guns. Any other outcome would not be allowed. We have a narrative and everything controllable must fit the narrative.

If you're truly curious about this you need to watch for wound information. See if any wound track info gets released along with the posture of the victim at time of wound. If all the would tracks match Paddock's room as the source of the bullet then all is good in Whoville. If not then the Grinch is up to no good.

But again, there isn't going to be a criminal trial so evidence collection is moot in the official mind. No collection means no public release. See how neat that is? Like it's all tied up with a bow.

Blogger Dangeresque October 23, 2017 2:36 PM  

@25 Wording it like that would've saved this guy so much sperging...

Blogger FALPhil October 23, 2017 2:48 PM  

Athor Pel wrote:"29. Blogger FALPhil October 23, 2017 1:54 PM

...

So, let me clarify: Have any of the recovered projectiles been matched to rifles with bump stocks?

...

"


See how neat that is? Like it's all tied up with a bow.



Methinks you're on to something.

Blogger Rabbi B October 23, 2017 2:56 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B October 23, 2017 2:58 PM  

We'll never know what really happened. Such is the sad and pathetic state of the times we're living in.

Because you have said, “We have made a covenant with death, and with Sheol we are in agreement. When the overflowing scourge passes through,it will not come to us, for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.”

Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, a tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; whoever believes will not act hastily.

Also I will make justice the measuring line, and righteousness the plummet; the hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters will overflow the hiding place.

Your covenant with death will be annulled, and your agreement with Sheol will not stand; when the overflowing scourge passes through, then you will be trampled down by it.

As often as it goes out it will take you; for morning by morning it will pass over, and by day and by night; it will be a terror just to understand the report.” (cf. Isaiah 28)

Blogger SirHamster October 23, 2017 3:00 PM  

Athor Pel wrote:"24. Blogger FALPhil October 23, 2017 1:22 PM

...

Has it actually been established that the 2 rifles equipped with bump stocks were actually used in the shooting? I may have missed it, but I hadn't heard anything definitive.

"


There were photos released by the LV police of the shooter's hotel room. A rifle in the photos had a bump stock. The photos also showed fired brass on the floor but not enough of them.



Wictor and a few others on Twitter are treating him as a crazed lone gunman, and theorize that he accidentally shot himself by slipping on the spent brass that accumulated after firing for several minutes.

It's plausible, and is the current simplest explanation that I've seen.

What are the top alternatives? Heard rumors of Deep State connections, or a Fast and Furious transaction with Jihadis gone horridly wrong.

Blogger Latigo3 October 23, 2017 3:02 PM  

Amazing that we are discussing this in the midst of President Trump wanting to release the JFK documents

Blogger Jule October 23, 2017 3:08 PM  

Re: Acoustic analysis
The health ranger did a acoustic analysis of an audio tape from the shooting and confirmed 2 shooters. I don't have the link.

Anonymous WaterBoy October 23, 2017 3:11 PM  

Athor Pel @36: " See if any wound track info gets released along with the posture of the victim at time of wound. If all the would tracks match Paddock's room as the source of the bullet then all is good in Whoville. If not then the Grinch is up to no good."

Not necessarily, as it still might not account for ricochets that could otherwise indicate a snarky green creature.

Blogger Matamoros October 23, 2017 3:55 PM  

Off topic: Is this going to necessitate a new volume of SJWs?

‘Handbook’: Must-Read for Social Justice Warriors and Those Who Laugh at Them

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/23/handbook-must-read-social-justice-warriors-laugh/

Blogger Elder Son October 23, 2017 4:03 PM  

All right. It is claimed that Paddock fired 200 rounds blind, through his door, at Campos. This is the only picture we have of that door:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/hotel-room-vegas-shooter10a-pol-ml-170103_4x5_992.jpg

This is the hallway, leading away from Paddock's room/door:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/new----hotel-room-vegas-shooter3-pol-ml-170103_4x3_992.jpg

The exit sign would be the stairwell, at the right of Paddock's door, that was supposedly jammed by Paddock.

Here is the layout of what Campos says happened:

http://www.rense.com/general96/IMG_1206.JPG

Here is a picture of an M4 in his room, assuming it is the one he used, with bump-stock and 100 round magazine. If one is really good with a bump-stock, you could empty that magazine in about 7 to 8 seconds, then you have to change magazines, let's say 2 seconds, then another 100 round burst of 7 to 8 seconds. If Paddock was really fast, that is 18 seconds of 200 round burst through his front door, blind.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/hotel3-lv-abc-171003_4x3_992.jpg

I want you to look at the hallway, leading from Paddock's door, that he fired 200 rounds through, blind.

Notice anything missing that you might expect from a shooter firing "automatic fire", through a door, down the hallway, blind?

Anonymous Bob October 23, 2017 4:07 PM  

There are so many questions with this case, but because it has such a massive emotional weight we may never learn the answers. Some of the questions I've seen asked (some from here):

- How many rounds were fired from Mandalay Bay, by the casings? Does it make sense of the audio and damage?
- How many of the found rifles were employed in the shooting? Were the bump stock guns employed (as asked here)?
- How did the guns get up there? In particular, what of the valet's story that there weren't bags in the car that explained the guns?
- What about this "short Hispanic woman" who threatened concert goers before the shooting?
- Can we account for the gunfire panics in other hotels following the end of Paddock's spree?
- What happened to the security guard, Jesus Campos?
- What happened with eyewitness Kymberley Suchomel, who died not long after the shooting and reportedly said she believed there were multiple shooters? (Current story says "natural causes" and she was apparently an epileptic with other issues, but she's high profile enough to warrant full answers)
- Did Paddock spend considerable time in the Middle East as some claim, and if so could he have been a Muslim convert?
- Was Paddock truly affiliated with an intelligence contractor, and could that affiliation be in any way related to the shooting? (This is a damning question if verified, because it fuels any accusation of conspiracy).
- "72 fucking minutes?"
- Why, exactly, all those guns? Was it so they could be swapped out in case of a jam, or did he somehow expect to have them all going at once?
- What was on that note?

And, of course, my own questions I always ask during one of these major news stories:

- What else is happening that they might want to distract me from? (FBI reveals and murder of the Panama papers investigator spring to mind)
- Whose agenda is served by either the attack or its coverage? ("Dozens of legally acquired guns" makes it pretty obvious)

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 23, 2017 4:10 PM  

Notice anything missing that you might expect from a shooter firing "automatic fire", through a door, down the hallway, blind?

Nope.

Unless you are looking for evidence of automatic fire, that is. But that would be stupid, since there isn't any.

Anonymous Crew October 23, 2017 4:18 PM  

@43: https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-09-exclusive-forensic-acoustic-analysis-confirms-existence-and-range-of-second-las-vegas-shooter.html

However, the problem I have is how did he remove echos from some other hotel from his analysis? That is, if he is measuring the time lag between the shots and the bullet striking the ground, the longer time of the two could be because of an echo.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 23, 2017 4:18 PM  

The acoustic analysis didn't necessarily confirm two shooters, it only confirmed that the delay between the bullet impacts and muzzle reports changed significantly. Which could also occur if the shooter changed loads and/or weapons. Notably, the acoustic analysis DID NOT show the 500 ms and 300 ms delay times occurring simultaneously, which would have signified that there were also two weapons being fired simultaneously.

Also, forensically analyzing projectiles can prove to be extremely difficult, especially rifle projectiles that have hit hard surfaces like concrete, bone, or steel. The cores frequently separate from the jackets entirely, and the jackets are often fragmented or twisted to the point that the rifling marks are practically obliterated. Side-by-side comparison of rifling marks isn't a viable option under those circumstances, and I'm not really clear on how long scanning and registering all of the fragments would take or how well that actually works in the case of badly fragmented jackets.

The part of the story I find most incredible is the claim that Paddock won 5 million dollars playing video poker, reported this to the IRS, and wasn't subjected to a money laundering investigation followed by having his assets seized. And if all of that is true, it just screams out that he was an off-the-books government contractor. On the other hand, maybe the media has just screwed up reporting the basic facts of this story just like they screw up everything else.

Blogger Thucydides October 23, 2017 4:28 PM  

What is probably more telling is the shooter's profile and any attempts to discern a motive seem to have been quietly disappeared.

The most likely reason for that is it is indeed counter to the narrative, like James T. Hodgkinson who has disappeared from public discourse because he was a "Bernie Bro". And of course how many times has the Fake News Media ever pointed out that Antifa was a creation of the Third Communist International? Telling people that communists animated by 1930 era ideals are attacking Americans would probably raise a very different reaction from how they are being portrayed now.

So I'm starting to think the real game isn't these "random" attacks, but rather the PTB colluding with the media to keep people from connecting the dots and realizing the Left is starting their campaign of terrorism to seize power. If they can cow enough people into keeping their heads down, then they think they may be able to openly go after the activists and preppers later on, when they are fragmented and don't have a neutral to friendly population to move and work among.

We are not the only people who can read a 4GW playbook, you know.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 23, 2017 4:37 PM  

So I can tell my wife I thought there was an attack imminent and go to Hooters? Sounds reasonable to me.

Blogger Doom October 23, 2017 4:41 PM  

I would be interested in knowing how many believe the narrative and will no matter how much it changes or the final version. I have read here that successful folk generally accept professional assessments and the official line (at the very least publicly and professionally, if that wasn't defined). How many here, online generally, and in the general population fit that? How many simply surrender to whoever seems to be in charge because they are just the opposite? Interesting how that often ends up being the case.

I can't believe. I want to, but they aren't even working with me. To many contrarian TPTB? Dunno. Got off the wagon, by no fault of my own, and there is no way back. It has to burn.

Blogger Elder Son October 23, 2017 5:52 PM  

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/hotel-room-vegas-shooter10a-pol-ml-170103_4x5_992.jpg

Breach-Breach-Breach-Bang.

17:49 Mark Breach https://soundcloud.com/alertpage-1/las-vegas-2nd-hour?in=user-342651909/sets/las-vegas-police-shooting

Levi Hancock, the SWAT team member, was armed with explosive charges to blow through doors.

"Hurry, hurry, hurry, but be quiet." And-- so then we got it hung and then we retreated back into the stairwell, blow the door.

That is a hell of a breach looking at the door-jam/hinges area and the door knob/lock area. Also, the door itself laying on its side.

Anonymous Haxo Angmaerk October 23, 2017 6:00 PM  

bunk. The ambulances were being warehoused along the block that Hooters is on. No evidence of any "bodies" coming out of there.

one shooter, controlled via debt, doing shabbatz goy on behalf of the white-hating, gun-grabbing (((casino moguls)))

Anonymous BBGKB October 23, 2017 6:00 PM  

Both flat chested leftists and moslems hate hooters.

No doubt everyone remotely involved, from the hotel to security firms to the city is being sued.

The shooter's FBI most wanted daddy bank robber picture looked jewish. Now they get to sue everyone.

Next bet, if they do "find" bullets and they do test them I will again bet real money that they will match one of Paddock's guns.

Reports that there were over 20 rifles in the room. I don't know how to shoot more than 2 at a time accurately

Blogger Jesse Jackson October 23, 2017 6:22 PM  

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Anonymous Athor Pel October 23, 2017 6:29 PM  

"44. WaterBoy October 23, 2017 3:11 PM

Athor Pel @36: " See if any wound track info gets released along with the posture of the victim at time of wound. If all the would tracks match Paddock's room as the source of the bullet then all is good in Whoville. If not then the Grinch is up to no good."

Not necessarily, as it still might not account for ricochets that could otherwise indicate a snarky green creature.
"



In that case the wound entry hole won't be normal. The bullet would very likely keyhole and stay in the victim. Those won't indicate anything immediately useful unless you somehow match wound to ricochet point. Good luck with that.

You can still look at the normal direct hits. Meaning bullet enters point first and only changes direction inside the body. So a nice neat circular entry hole.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 23, 2017 7:55 PM  

@30 Grayman

All you can really take from this is that the risk profile of public events have been moved up a few notches and should probably be considered potential high value targets at this point (i.e. stay away from crowds)
---

Maybe this was the goal. To make people feel extremely unsafe at large events that you would think are highly policed with tons of security cams everywhere.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 23, 2017 8:20 PM  

@33 Kettle

There's a fine, but distinct line between mathematical analysis and magic.

You're asking for the latter.

Anonymous The Lurker What Lurks October 23, 2017 8:25 PM  

Buckle up, boys. I'm going to give you a conspiracy version of what happened, garnered from 8chan and 4chan.

True fact: On September 11, a user by the name of "John" posted to 4chan that if you lived in Vegas, avoid crowds that weekend, because there would be a mass shooting event. This user said that "The Powers That Be" (deep state, illuminati, pick your poison) wanted to convince people that areas with lots of police and security aren't safe anymore, and they needed to have metal detectors, back-scatter x-ray, etc., installed in public places, casinos, schools and universities. Billions to be made. Names Michael Chertoff and Sheldon Adelson as co-conspirators.

True facts: Around this time George Soros, and the president of MGM, sold all MGM stock. Millions shorted on MGM stock by parties unknown. (Just like American Airlines on 9/11).

Get your tinfoil hat on. Speculation: Here's how the shooting was supposed to happen. Bad guys open up on crowd from bunch of different points, fuel tanks are detonated by/from the car with explosives the LVMPD/FBI won't talk about, crowd runs north up street into a shooting funnel, where thousands will be killed. Rumors are that a certain mercenary company that previously had Black as it's first name, and Water as it's second, were in town escorting a VIP, or searching for an armed suitcase nuke, or both. (Some speculated that they were there to prevent this very event, or to prevent the nuke from detonating.) Bad guys start shooting, and suddenly find themselves lit up by hardcore mercenaries. For whatever reason, they can't/don't make it to Paddock's room. All other shooters terminated. Problem is, they "aren't supposed to be there". At BW's request, mob runs cleanup on the other dead bodies. ("Bad for business"). The people that say they heard actual automatic fire, really did. It was the return fire of BW. That story was pieced together from 3 different anons who allege they are in/work for govt. /tinfoil hat. Of course, that may be all made-up b/s.

True facts: Some time later, young woman witness who is trying to get a group together of people that saw multiple shooters dies in her sleep. Of epilepsy. John Beilman, questioned by the FBI, and who 4chan linked to the companies selling the metal detectors/back scatter machines, kills his disabled daughter, then commits suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head with a shotgun. (No joke.)

One more thing. Check the distance from the concert to Hooter's. Ask yourself if you could crawl/walk/run that distance after being shot.

Blogger Phat Repat October 23, 2017 8:33 PM  

No, the stink on this 'story' is just too much. And the oddest part is the lack of 'news' coverage. The shooting in CT had constant coverage and this is near radio silence. Not a peep, no continuous calls for gun control, nothing...

Anonymous Avalanche October 23, 2017 8:56 PM  

@9 "It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed…"

Please god, protect our god emperor!!

Anonymous Avalanche October 23, 2017 9:06 PM  

@33 "I'm actually a bit surprised /pol hasn't pulled off an audio analysis"

No /pol but:
https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-09-exclusive-forensic-acoustic-analysis-confirms-existence-and-range-of-second-las-vegas-shooter.html

"EXCLUSIVE: Forensic acoustic analysis confirms existence (and range) of second Las Vegas shooter"


Pretty good video -- turns out this guy ISN'T the total nut case I thought... (on the basis of some of his health stuff...)

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis October 23, 2017 9:07 PM  

All kinds of rumors...
(1) The "200 shots through the door"? Any verified actual links to any actual police report asserting number of shots fired through the door? No.
(2) SWAT team breached the room? No. It was a "pickup group" of 4 cops, one of whom was a K-9 handler.
(3) Audio of multiple shooters? No. Lots of echoes from all the flat surfaces of all the hotels.
(4) Gun deal gone bad and the so called shooter was killed by the supposed buyers who really did the shooting? No. NO ONE does a gun deal with any ammo in the magazines or in the room at all. So not a gun deal.
(5) Lots of other shootings at the same time that were "covered up"? No. Everyone today has camera phones, any such shootings would have resulted in zillions of uploaded videos. Just like all the Bigfoot sightings yet amazingly no photos or videos.

That said, there are plenty of strange factors. Like no way did the guy "earn" millions gambling in casinos. Why did the cops have such poor security on the guy's house that burglars got in and out? Why has the "girlfriend" vanished and where is she? Why did the guy have explosives in his car which were never used? Where is the security guard? Why has the MSM which lives off "if it bleeds it leads" completely shut down on reporting? Etc.

Anonymous Avalanche October 23, 2017 9:29 PM  

@63 "Audio of multiple shooters? No. Lots of echoes from all the flat surfaces of all the hotels."

I keep looking in all the Google map pix -- I don't SEE any reflective surfaces! The Luxor echos would go UP -- not out and down. There were NO tall reflect-y buildings opposite the Mandalay and reflecting TOWARDS either the shooting pit nor Mandalay. So WHERE are all these supposed recorded echoes coming from? It's an AIRFIELD beyond the music festival space, opposite Mandalay ! FLAT, cement -- no echoes bouncing back from that!

So *what* reflected the gun shots?

Anonymous VFMUltra October 23, 2017 9:30 PM  

I've never seen the shills as thick on VP as this. Something about it must have them worried. Keep digging.

Anonymous LGrin October 23, 2017 9:48 PM  

The Lurker What Lurks, you've never posted on VD before (being a "lurker" and all that. You Russian?

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 23, 2017 10:52 PM  

@65 I'm not sure about the shills but man, does this whole thing stink of false flags.

The Las Vegas Massacre was not an accident.  It was an operation that appears to have been intended to keep freedoms from being returned to the American people (witness Cuck Ryan's withdrawal of firearms bills from votes) but has not and will not yield the full results the engineers intended.  This will likely drive them to even more insane levels of violence, perhaps even exposing them.

We shall see.

Blogger Gordon October 23, 2017 11:02 PM  

The NY Times has created an audio/video composite of 20 or more recordings, lining them up together by the audio. It's pretty interesting.

http://tinyurl.com/ybre79ay

I hadn't realized there were several single shots before the bump stock shooting began. They also speculate (and call it speculation) that at one point in the middle, the muffled firing recorded was the second time the shooter was firing through the suite door.

Blogger Lazarus October 23, 2017 11:14 PM  

Its the anti-anxiety prescription drugs. They turn neurotics into psychotics.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 23, 2017 11:15 PM  

Are you sure you understand the discussion you are entering?...Tl;Dr we agree, but maybe you are too short for the ride?

Before I tell you to shove it up your in situ, why don't you take a mulligan and try replying to my comment again, this time seeing if you can do it without making a complete ass of yourself?

I pointed out, based on my professional experience BTW...

I don't know where you got your certification, but it wasn't from me or any of the organizations I teach for, because we universally teach our responders that if the scene is dangerous you must get your patient to safety before starting your primary assessment. It doesn't matter if the danger comes from hostile gunfire, a burning building, or a swarm of angry bees, you can't expose yourself and your patient to the threat of additional injury while you do your assessment.

And you're not going to be putting people into ambulances before you've done your primary assessment, are you, Mr. Professional Opinion?

Blogger Elder Son October 24, 2017 12:54 AM  

Former FBI Agent Cuts Through Las Vegas Disinformation

https://newswithviews.com/former-fbi-agent-john-guandolo-cuts-through-las-vegas-disinformation/

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 24, 2017 12:54 AM  

@70 I know looking up "in situ" was apparently arduous, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the response I gave the first time.

Your butthurt non sequiturs are your butthurt non sequiturs. Nothing more.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 24, 2017 12:57 AM  

I give you a chance at a mulligan and you shank it into the pond again. Third time's a charm? Or are you tripling down on this one?

Blogger Elder Son October 24, 2017 1:01 AM  

@63 Bellator Mortalis

I'm reminded of:

It is easy to sit back safely on your computer and call everyone and discount what they witnessed as fleeting flights of reverb, echoes, ripples in the Pacific Ocean, shaky cam, and hysterics, especially when you weren’t there.

Any verified actual links to any actual police report...

Funny though, if you refuse to give any weight at all to those “hysterical victims“, what does that leave you with? The official narrative? But, but, but... Everything about this case leads nowhere. Exactly as I suspect was intended from the outset. Like I said, what insight!

The bold wasn't exactly pointed at you, but another, elsewhere. But it fits here.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 24, 2017 1:05 AM  

@73. I never doubled down in the first place. Can't read, can't count, do you teach at FORTIS?

You take the time to write out what you feel needs responded to, and I'll do you a solid in the name of the National Registry.

Because we both know no one set up a triage center in the Hooters, dragged the casualties over there and then figured out what the hell to do with them.

Blogger Kristophr October 24, 2017 1:10 AM  

Shooting up a Hooters is something a second jihadi absolutely would do.

I think the real cover-up is the shooter's motive here, regardless.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 24, 2017 2:23 AM  

Because we both know no one set up a triage center in the Hooters, dragged the casualties over there and then figured out what the hell to do with them.

The casualties self-rescued themselves to the Hooters, like any sane person would do if they were still able to. Did you expect the Hooters bouncers were going to drag them back so the "professionals" could triage them "in situ."

You and I also both know there weren't EMTs sprinting around the fire zone doing triage on the wounded while Bump-Stock Boy (and any accomplices) were still spraying it with fire. The only help those poor people got was from their fellow concert-goers who risked their own lives to get someone to safety.

Anonymous Da, tovarich, capitalist running dogs are money vein of exploitable October 24, 2017 2:26 AM  

One more thing. Check the distance from the concert to Hooter's. Ask yourself if you could crawl/walk/run that distance after being shot.

I once brought a sailboat back to the pier with a dislocated shoulder and one novice crew. The 127 Hours guy cut his own arm off with a Swiss Army knife. I bet the wounded could make it to Hooters, especially considering:

Because we both know no one set up a triage center in the Hooters, dragged the casualties over there and then figured out what the hell to do with them.

Ambulances parked behind Hooters because it seemed safe at the time. And every EMT is trained to ensure that everybody who gets on the ambulance is either wearing an EMT polo or on a stretcher. Your EMT training doesn't apply when there's a mass shooting event. Soldiers train much more for worse situations, and they still wing it on occasion.

The walking and crawling wounded could easily have been attracted to the flashing lights. Unless you've been naughty, the flashing lights of an emergency vehicle are a comforting beacon.

Happily we've been walked through a lot of math with a forensic analysis of the cell phone footage:

EXCLUSIVE: Forensic acoustic analysis confirms existence (and range) of second Las Vegas shooter

Acoustic analysis of cellphone videos of Justin Bieber concerts have definitively proved that Justin Bieber is a human/chipmunk/tin-can-of-angry-bees hybrid. We should study this exciting new hybrid, but:

I keep looking in all the Google map pix -- I don't SEE any reflective surfaces! The Luxor echos would go UP -- not out and down. There were NO tall reflect-y buildings opposite the Mandalay and reflecting TOWARDS either the shooting pit nor Mandalay.

Somebody doesn't know how sound waves work. We should focus our efforts on sending Internet experts to the Grand Canyon so they can experience echos for the first time.

Blogger Elder Son October 24, 2017 2:44 AM  

Here is video of concert goers walking though the Hooters carport when they suddenly start running at the 1:34 mark.

https://youtu.be/yOrh43ZJ3iY

Here is the Hooters video from inside and numerous people wrapped in towels.

https://youtu.be/MMR_rqflhoE

Panic at Hooters/in lock down.

https://youtu.be/NC87Nva4O-c

I have no time stamps for any of this.

Anyhow, from listening to 2 hours of the Police Scanner, the wounded were placed on low priority by LVMPD until all the threats were eliminated. 2 hours after the initial shots, LVMPD/SWAT were still in active shooter mode at other various hotels/locations.

I have 4 gigs of video on my computer from LVMPD briefings to witnesses describing shooters at other hotels from various sources.

Here is an up-close video of the aftermath on the concert grounds. Graphic. No EMT's, no triage, and they turned the lights off.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=29f_1507163812

And Bellator: Any verified actual links to any actual police report asserting number of shots fired through the door?

Yeah, Right out of the LVMPD Sheriff's mouth.

Blogger Elder Son October 24, 2017 2:59 AM  

Somebody doesn't know how sound waves work.

The work like reverb, echoes, and Pacific Ocean Ripples. Right? And don't forget the mass spectrometer!

I'd bet you would be a basket case in urban combat.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 24, 2017 3:57 AM  

The way I see it there's three basic possibilities:

1. They did it, or knew it was coming and let it happen, and this is a botched cover up.
1B. They did it, or knew it was coming and let it happen, and they want us to suspect because it sows fear and conspiracy theories, so the cover-up is deliberately dodgy.

2. They have no idea what happened, who did it, or how.
2B. They know now who did it and why, but to spell it out openly would reveal all their failures leading up to it, damaging the whole "keeping you safe" narrative.

3. Some faction did it, some other factions suspect they know who did it, some are totally blind as usual, and they're all working at cross-purposes and/or trying to screw each other over for political advantage.

I suspect the truth is a grisly combination of all three. But like Vox I'm pretty sure the official narrative is, once again, bunk.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 24, 2017 4:11 AM  

The way I see it there's three basic possibilities:

I don't know what the truth is either, but I'm leaning towards "they'd been running some morally dubious operation that brought unstable nutbars together. Unstable nutbars went critical, and they don't want anyone making connections back to them."

Feels like more of a Fast and Furious deal.

1 - Somebody had a really stupid idea
2 - Stupid ideas need unstable people to implement them
3 - Implementation of stupid idea puts people under stress
4 - Stress causes unstable people to go critical mass
5 - Congratulations, you've made the nightly news.
6 - "How do I make sure no one traces this back to me?"

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 24, 2017 4:16 AM  

Yeah, that does have a familiar ring to it.

Blogger Doom October 24, 2017 4:40 AM  

Why no pressure by msm or Dems though. Or, hell, at this point why aren't Repubs trying to shove gun control. Ryan was never for gun rights, so not implementing is expected even if there was no mass shooting. It is this area that gains my focus. Answer that and you will know all you desire. Even actors, the box of rocks they are? *crickets* I can smell the sweat and fear of a lot of people hiding behind thick doors. They fear normal Americans.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 24, 2017 7:25 AM  

Doom wrote:Why no pressure by msm or Dems though. Or, hell, at this point why aren't Repubs trying to shove gun control. Ryan was never for gun rights, so not implementing is expected even if there was no mass shooting. It is this area that gains my focus. Answer that and you will know all you desire. Even actors, the box of rocks they are? *crickets* I can smell the sweat and fear of a lot of people hiding behind thick doors. They fear normal Americans.

This is what is making me really suspicious. Republicans even wrote a bill to ban bump stocks but all the sudden the legislation was dropped and ALL of the typical lobbyists have gone silent.

It took them 4 days to get the word out to shut up about it. For those 4 days it looked like a sure thing for that very vaguely worded law to at least pass the house and senate and possibly get the president's signature. All the sudden nothing is said about it anywhere other than a smattering of non-connected true believers.

Something embarrassing happened and they don't want people to even start to think about the event.

Anonymous Avalanche October 24, 2017 7:41 AM  

@67 "This will likely drive them to even more insane levels of violence, perhaps even exposing them."

Ole' Dammegard (about whom I have really mixed opinions) says he has (and some folks agree) actually PREVENTED a couple such "actions." When he sees/finds out about some upcoming "training exercise" -- he calls out "the people" with their phones and cameras -- who then swarm the proposed/setting-up locale, photographing everything and everyone... He says that has caused some 'ops' to be cancelled -- or, he says sadly, postponed...

I don't remember which / where (he's Swedish, in Europe) but he said the 'swarming' made the 'govt' pull back and not hold a "drill" -- at that time-and-place (somewhere in Denmark, if I remember?) -- but that exact "drill" happened a couple weeks later in another country... and "went live" ... killed a bunch of folks.

He's annoyingly pacifistic (for my tastes), but has put himself out of the front line with his vids and interviews (he's been on Red Ice many times!) We don't seem to do that here in the U.S.; short-circuiting "drills" by "noticing"!

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 24, 2017 8:42 AM  

@78. Yes, that's precisely why the ambulances are there, they are staging in a safe location while the cops secure the active shooter event nearby, which, contrary to your claim, is precisely what we are trained to do in such circumstances. Because a lone gunman mowing down fields of people, or distributing ricin in a busy commuter train, or a drunk pilot screwing up his 747 takeoff are all covered in our training. Thats why I keep using the term Mass Casualty Incident. We are trained to address them in a particular manner. Nothing in the video seems "winged" in the least. Its just business as usual.



Blogger steveaz October 24, 2017 8:51 AM  

Where is Obama's SEIU figuring into the LV shooting?

You cannot sneeze in an LV hotel without spraying an SEIU radical. Yet they and their Democrat patrons are conspicuously absent from all reportage on this atrocity.

Anonymous Avalanche October 24, 2017 9:59 AM  

@78 "Somebody doesn't know how sound waves work. We should focus our efforts on sending Internet experts to the Grand Canyon so they can experience echos for the first time."

Ah, so you're hoping to take a trip to the Grand Canyon? (Or are you proving you've never been there?) Please notice, about canyons, that there are TWO approximately similar HIGH WALLS facing each other (and not all that far apart). Please notice, also, that 'echoes' are sound waves bouncing OFF a solid/sound-wave-reflective surface and reflected back TOWARD the 'hearer' (or the phone-recorder, in these cases). Tell me again how the FLAT concrete of multiple airstrips opposite Mandalay can create a CANYON-like reflection of sound waves?

Cause I HAVE BEEN to the Promis... er... Grand Canyon -- and it doan look NUTHIN' like no air strip!!

Anonymous The Lurker What Lurks October 24, 2017 10:29 AM  

First, I can't believe no one got the Bugs Bunny reference in my name. I'm mildly disappointed.

Second, LGrin, I once was "Yes, dear"'d by Spacebunny during a disagreement, under a different Nome de plume. So, yes, I've posted here before.

Hooters is two miles away from the concert venue. You going to run 2/3 of a 5K, when you could run a couple of hundred yards?

In other news, it is alleged that everyone who gave their cell phones to the FBI had them returned erased.

I've been a tinfoil hatter for a long time. Think of it as a fun game of "what if?".

Do any of you realize how disconcerting it is to see the stark raving lunatics of the tinfoil hat people being proved right on various subjects?

I will give you all a shortcut to use. If you hear "lone gunman", know that something is being covered up.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) October 24, 2017 11:34 AM  

90. The Lurker What Lurks October 24, 2017 10:29 AM
Second, LGrin, I once was "Yes, dear"'d by Spacebunny during a disagreement, under a different Nome de plume.



ah.

another member of the Dear Division.

i got one of those as well, iirc. long, LONG time ago.



63. Bellator Mortalis October 23, 2017 9:07 PM
Why has the "girlfriend" vanished and where is she?



eh? they found her and interviewed her the week of incident.

she was in the Philippines, he had sent her ~ $100,000 ( which will go a LONG damn way in the Flip ) to buy a house or something.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 24, 2017 12:22 PM  

All I know for sure is that I'm being lied to, and nothing makes me hotter. Who is our gov't being run for? Sure isn't me.

Anonymous Avalanche October 24, 2017 12:23 PM  

Can someone explain to me how the constantly bruited about: "oh, he could not POSSIBLY have made any money gambling" / "he had massive gambling debts which caused him to snap" got into the same bin with: he wired her $100k the day before?

Don't ...whoever keeps pushing those ... realize the BANK would not wire money he did not have? Or am I missing something?

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 24, 2017 12:37 PM  

Avalanche wrote:Can someone explain to me how the constantly bruited about: "oh, he could not POSSIBLY have made any money gambling" / "he had massive gambling debts which caused him to snap" got into the same bin with: he wired her $100k the day before?

Don't ...whoever keeps pushing those ... realize the BANK would not wire money he did not have? Or am I missing something?


Gambling debts doesn't jibe but I think the "he can't make money gambling" is implying that he had another source of income and the gambling was just a way to launder the money. That would work with the 100K wire transfer.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) October 24, 2017 12:45 PM  

93. Avalanche October 24, 2017 12:23 PM
Can someone explain to me how the constantly bruited about:



i explained this back when we were going around about the Truther Conspiracies.

many ( most? ) of the conspiracy theories are blatant asinine, ignorant stupidity. like that "assassins were above the stage" theory ( really? a crowd with a lot of .mil vets and hunters is going to ignore the muzzle flash, noise and smoke emitting from above the stage, turn 90 degrees and point up at the Mandalay ... because they got confused? ) Vox linked last time. they ignore all facts and obvious inferences and logical deduction chains and, while highly critical of the Official Story ( which may deserve it ), apply no Critical Thought to their own hypothesis.

as i said back then, this would be the perfect cover PsyOp. fill the intellectual space with so much stupid crap that anyone critical of the Official Record simply throws their hands up in the air and walks away.

is it actually an Intelligence Agency PsyOp? or just a bunch of drama queens sperging out for attention?

i don't know. how would you tell the difference?

Blogger Gordon October 24, 2017 2:36 PM  

Lurker wrote: "Hooters is two miles away from the concert venue. You going to run 2/3 of a 5K, when you could run a couple of hundred yards?"

You must have a defective map. Call up Google maps, switch to satellite view, and locate the Mandalay. Just to the right is the concert area. Hooters hotel is 2500 feet, or less than one-half mile, from the stage, closer still (2000 feet) if you measure from the back of the concert area.

This is how conspiracy theories start. State something as proven fact that in truth, is bullshit.

Blogger SirHamster October 24, 2017 3:24 PM  

((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) wrote:as i said back then, this would be the perfect cover PsyOp. fill the intellectual space with so much stupid crap that anyone critical of the Official Record simply throws their hands up in the air and walks away.

AltRetard as Deep State's noise generator to cover the real story.

The bodyguard of lies.

Anonymous rienzi October 24, 2017 3:33 PM  

just a small point, but if the shooter put more than 200 rounds through the door to his suite, that door was probably in pretty sad condition, if indeed there was much of any of it left.

So why did the cops need to "breech" the door? Inquiring minds want to know.

Blogger Gordon October 24, 2017 4:19 PM  

To be fair, that number is probably a WAG.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 24, 2017 4:52 PM  

You guys here this one yet?

Jesus Campos, if he is a fake individual, might have been hinting at this movie:

Jesus Camp
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486358/

Which is basically a mock the christians type of usual hollywierd hit piece.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 24, 2017 5:02 PM  

Here are some other peculiar things, maybe foreshadowings:

The lyrics here are all about going to vegas, going to mandalay bay to the 33rd floor
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/robbiewilliams/meandmymonkey.html

Mars Attacks had an ET attack at the same location, and it was at a country music concert.

Hangover (2009) opening shows the same corner and floor of the hotel from a helicopter, while think it's Danzig is singing ' Got a 13 tatooed on my neck'.

And that one photo of Paddock he had a 13 on his neck.

Blogger Robert What? October 24, 2017 8:33 PM  

I said it once and I'll say it again. Vegas was a Deep State mind control black op. Maybe a test gone wrong. Maybe not.

Blogger Akulkis October 25, 2017 3:49 AM  

@avalanche,

Sound reflects as waves, not rays. Second, you don't need a 40-story building to create significant echoes. I lived under frequent bombardment for more than a year, on a base with buildings that were all 1-3 stories, and few large buildings outside of the base... You don't understand sound anymore than you understand American culture outside of libtard New England enclaves.

Blogger Akulkis October 25, 2017 3:52 AM  

Hey Avalanche, take a physics class for crying out loud.

Blogger Akulkis October 25, 2017 3:55 AM  

Were-puppy, you're sounding like that guy whose websight claims that lots of famous actors are actually TWO different actors, and that this (even if true) is cause for alarm, and evidence of....something ... other than his paranoid schizophrenia.

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