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Thursday, October 12, 2017

New page up


The second page of Alt★Hero Volume III is up; scroll down to the bottom of the page below the tank cover.

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Blogger LP9 October 12, 2017 8:15 AM  

I LOVE IT!!

make it un complicado!

Alt Hero, Alt Hearts United for it!

Blogger James Dixon October 12, 2017 8:42 AM  

Looking at that story thus far, I honestly think this may wind up being my favorite series of the set.

Anonymous marcus barry October 12, 2017 8:59 AM  

I haven't read comics since I was in junior high (closing on 66 y/o now) but the artwork alone, particularly the Venetian blinds shadows, make this a temptation.

Anonymous Rocklea October 12, 2017 9:10 AM  

The art on this one is my favourite so far. Plus he does a great Rebel.

Blogger Student in Blue October 12, 2017 9:12 AM  

The coloring is spectacular on that new page.

Blogger B.J. October 12, 2017 9:19 AM  

Looks like 3D models

Blogger The Observer October 12, 2017 9:25 AM  

Will agree that the art is top-notch. I personally prefer Jingerzilla's more cartoony style, but the art done for volume 3 speaks of professionalism and experience.

Blogger pdwalker October 12, 2017 9:27 AM  

@2 James, I was just thinking the same thing.

I can't wait for these to come out.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 12, 2017 9:28 AM  

Yeah, that whole blinds light-and-shadow thing reminds me of Frank Miller. Works wonderfully. Draftsmanship is more like Steve McNiven or the guy who did Ex Machina. Incredibly detailed. Can be a little stiff, but who cares? It's gorgeous.

On the other hand, there's a certain appeal to the more cartoony approach too in that it can produce a lot of energy necessary for superheroics (see the second cover, for example).

I think the art choices so far strike a nice balance.

Anonymous MaskettaMan October 12, 2017 9:47 AM  

Snappy dialogue, shadows that effectively characterize without exposition... checks out.

Blogger Quadko October 12, 2017 10:15 AM  

B.J. wrote:Looks like 3D models
I'd love to know the process for making the comics, but want the artists spending time producing rather than explaining. :grin:

I assume each artist has their own method, but I could see anything from oldest school "fully manual drawn on paper and scanned" through "posed 3D models with interesting automated output filters."

From misc behind-the-scenes videos and youtube I really expect the art is drawn on a nice tablet with maybe reference images or other layers available for convenience, composted together with separate background art. The extremes of fully manual or fully 3D are probably a lot slower than something in the middle. But I'd love to see how my guesses and estimations line up with reality.

Anonymous Crew October 12, 2017 10:33 AM  

Looks like they can finally go for that Batman in a wheelchair thing:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/10/11/grope-allegation-batman-ben-affleck-tank-justice-league/

Anonymous Crew October 12, 2017 10:48 AM  

OT, but CNN is reporting that the Vegas Shooter had an accomplice:

http://cnn-internationaledition.com/2017/10/11/breaking-news-police-arrest-mandalay-security-guard-jesus-compos-as-second-shooter-in-las-vegas-massacre/

Anonymous Looking Glass October 12, 2017 10:55 AM  

@13 Crew

Well, that would explain why /pol/ found there is no registered Security Guards with that name. (In NV, you're required to be licensed and the registration is public.)

Also, ISIS has tripled-down on their claim that Paddock was radicalized. Which might explain why there's been so much official FUD. They are really scared they have multiple cells operating and want to keep them off guard.

It also probably means that " "miracle" " tweet from Trump had a lot behind it.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 12, 2017 10:58 AM  

Is that cnn-internationaledition really CNN? Something seems odd.

Blogger Student in Blue October 12, 2017 11:05 AM  

Yeah, if it was really CNN then likely it'd be under the CNN.com domain as some form of sub-domain (like international.CNN.com).

Color me suspicious.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 12, 2017 11:08 AM  

@16 Student in Blue

It's a good fake, but someone went to a good chunk of work to do that. Though in the annals of Fake News, that one could actually turn out to be correct by the end. Still a lot of FUD though.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 12, 2017 11:09 AM  

That's a fake website. There is something fishy about the security guard, though, and not just that fact that they completely changed his story from "heroically saved people by distracting the shooter and getting shot in the process" to "was shot before it all started and then....sorta nothing....and no you can't interview him."

Blogger tuberman October 12, 2017 11:17 AM  

Very nice art style. I like the others too, but this is even better.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction October 12, 2017 11:27 AM  

The art on this panel very much remains me of a tell tale game.

Blogger The Kurgan October 12, 2017 11:31 AM  

Well, I for one think that kurgan looking Alan is very well drawn. And I can only hope his handsomely bald head is a hat tip to yours truly and he has a vicious hatred for SJWs in his heart, which judging from the two pages so far seems to be the case.

Blogger James Jones October 12, 2017 11:52 AM  

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Blogger James Jones October 12, 2017 11:53 AM  

Wow. Beautiful artwork. Alt-hero is now a real competitor. Not saying the early artwork was that bad - I loved a lot of it, but this is on another level. Congratulations Vox. How can one man cope with so much winning?

Blogger James Jones October 12, 2017 11:54 AM  

Wow. Beautiful artwork. Alt-hero is now a real competitor. Not saying the early artwork was that bad - I loved a lot of it, but this is on another level. Congratulations Vox. How can one man cope with so much winning?

OpenID crapulux October 12, 2017 11:59 AM  

+1, the art is fantastic on these two pages.

Blogger darkdoc October 12, 2017 12:25 PM  

I'll repeat the comments about excellent artwork and coloring - really first class.

Blogger Silly but True October 12, 2017 12:32 PM  

Will there be a Thor/WonderWoman type?

Asatru, captured by Vikings, this Khurasanid bla-moar berserker converted to become the most favored war-priest of Odin and now prominently wear's the all-father's cross, blessing him with immortality and superhuman power?

I should have paid the $5000.

Blogger 1337kestrel October 12, 2017 12:36 PM  

I want to pledge for novel #2... granted, it won't add up to a huge amount, but it would boost the total.

Blogger cheddarman October 12, 2017 12:47 PM  

@21 We will only know if Allan is a hat tip to Kurgan if he has a harem of assassins that crucify his enemies

Blogger kevmalone October 12, 2017 1:03 PM  

This one looks great. Art may be a little stiff but can only improve with time.
Definitely my favorite story style so far, which is after all, the most important thing.

Anonymous crew October 12, 2017 2:19 PM  

Someone has thrown in $100M. That does not look legit.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 2:23 PM  

The crowdfunding platform that now has your credit card number still has a few BUGS to work out.

https://i.imgur.com/3T3shUN.jpg

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2017 2:23 PM  

There are possibly two non-legit donations actually.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 2:25 PM  

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Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 2:25 PM  

@30 The artist is tracing CGI models. I've never seen comic book art has the uncanny valley effect before!

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 2:26 PM  

@33 That's okay. I'm sure orders will be processed with no trouble whatsoever.

Anonymous Killua October 12, 2017 2:33 PM  

The art is fantastic. In particular the way the light comes from a window.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2017 2:35 PM  

"That's okay. I'm sure orders will be processed with no trouble whatsoever."

So what you're saying is, you donated illegitimately and are going to continue to lie and act in bad faith. Got it.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 2:42 PM  

@38 You think I gave my VISA # to a crowdfunding campaign that randomly adds a zero to the pledges it collects?? YOU MUST BE FUKKIN' NUTS!

Anonymous CPEG October 12, 2017 4:00 PM  

We all know you're just mad that, in Alt Hero, the child rapes are prevented.

Anonymous lpdbw October 12, 2017 4:06 PM  

@39 And yet you probably did give it to Target, who promptly leaked it to hackers. For what cause, exactly? Ink and paper to draw "comics" about child molestation?

Note to VD: This successful effort has the unintended (I think) effect of distracting SJWs from producing more dreck, spending time instead trying ineffectively to stop other people's creative processes. Is this a new law? SJWs always try to stop other people creating, but end up stopping themselves?

As an aside, I think I may have to add the 3rd paperback now. I quit reading comics a long time ago, when all my heroes seemed to spend more time on introspection and dealing with their own psyches than fighting evil. Please let me see Good beat Evil!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 12, 2017 4:32 PM  

"You think I gave my VISA #"

No, you gave a fake # of course. Or someone else's.

Anonymous CPEG October 12, 2017 4:45 PM  

This also raises the obvious question: Precisely how much of Weapon Brown's crowdfunding came directly from Yungbluth himself?

Blogger Geoarrge October 12, 2017 5:02 PM  

Using 3D models for a comic makes for an interesting workflow. Modeling and texturing take longer than hand drawing, but once you have the assets you can put things together very quickly. On a tight regular production schedule I'd expect to see the occasional "bottle episode."

The issue with stiff-looking characters could be a problem, which probably requires a good bit of rigging and soft-body/fabric simulation to overcome.

Anonymous CPEG October 12, 2017 5:19 PM  

It does have the advantage over 3D modeling that soft body and fabric simulation can be waived in favor of manually finishing the art.

I do really like the art style. Even the earlier draft art was at least on the level of, say, The Dark Knight Returns, and it has been uphill from there.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 12, 2017 5:29 PM  

Hey, Jase is back! Hi, Death Ray! How's the King of Filth?

Blogger James Dixon October 12, 2017 5:34 PM  

> You think I gave my VISA # to a crowdfunding campaign that randomly adds a zero to the pledges it collects?? YOU MUST BE FUKKIN' NUTS!

Of course not. We think you used a fake or stolen one. Which I see Azure Amaranthine already noted.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 12, 2017 5:38 PM  

Death Ray wrote:@30 The artist is tracing CGI models. I've never seen comic book art has the uncanny valley effect before!

Naw, Jase. Both Poser and DAZ Studio have plugins to do that automatically. The artist shows his skills with lighting, shot placement, camera orientation, and touch up (PS/GIMP). This guys is top tier of Poser/DS artists. Top 1%, you might say.

Besides, the crowd likes it. What's your beef?

By the way, for the non-filth kings like Mr Yungbluth here, this is what the funding looks like. Not Poisson as I suspected -- or not yet. Pretty linear climb.

Blogger The Scribe October 12, 2017 5:43 PM  

Made my donation today. Really looking forward to this. Went to get the paperback omnibus. Nothing wrong with digital, but there's something about the feel of paper in your hands.

Blogger The Observer October 12, 2017 5:52 PM  

@48: Indeed. We're up to 111k now, assuming that last $5000 donation was legit.

On a side note, all 5 $5000 spots have been filled, but the donation button still reads 4/5. Someone at Freestartr should get on that.

Blogger horsewithnonick October 12, 2017 6:13 PM  

That's not CNN

Blogger Rosabie October 12, 2017 6:22 PM  

The Observer wrote:On a side note, all 5 $5000 spots have been filled, but the donation button still reads 4/5. Someone at Freestartr should get on that.
Pretty sure that one is considered illegitimate.

Anonymous WaterBoy October 12, 2017 6:25 PM  

OT: Did John Scalzi help design the new South Park video game?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 12, 2017 6:30 PM  

Dumb ass gives a fake pledge of 100m then comes over here to point and screech at the mess he made. I guess this is what the flak looks like at this stage.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 12, 2017 6:33 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:Dumb ass gives a fake pledge of 100m then comes over here to point and screech at the mess he made. I guess this is what the flak looks like at this stage.

No. This is what fear looks like.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 12, 2017 6:38 PM  

Really wonderful art design. As a suggestion for Vox Day, if these comics do well, perhaps Vox University will offer online drawing courses? Let me know when you want someone to teach medicine :)

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 12, 2017 6:46 PM  

Well, that settles it, I'm going to see JL at the cinemas.

Blogger VD October 12, 2017 7:05 PM  

You think I gave my VISA # to a crowdfunding campaign that randomly adds a zero to the pledges it collects?? YOU MUST BE FUKKIN' NUTS!

I would think that publicly admitting to committing credit card fraud is nuts. You understand that Freestartr knows who you are and has evidence that you committed a felony, right?

Anonymous Haxo Angmark October 12, 2017 7:27 PM  

what's that limp wrist doing there?

I smell convergence.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) October 12, 2017 7:41 PM  

I would think that publicly admitting to committing credit card fraud is nuts. You understand that Freestartr knows who you are and has evidence that you committed a felony, right?

At the very least he should have claimed to have used a centurion card

Blogger Rosabie October 12, 2017 7:41 PM  

Looks like Jason reached his goal. He's pissed off Vox.

Anonymous WaterBoy October 12, 2017 7:44 PM  

You have a weird definition of "pissed off"....

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 12, 2017 9:16 PM  

To Whom It May Concern,

My Apologies for asking this question once again: I am a Rebel backer on Freestartr and I would also like to buy/be a backer for ALL of the hardcover omnibuses currently available. I understand that the campaign is going better than expected, and that's great, where I'm a little confused is regarding how many different hardcover omnibuses there will be (at present)? With regards to the Hardcover Ed, are there a total of two ( Alt★Hero I,II,II + Alt★Hero IV, V, VI) or three (aforementioned + Alt★Hero Avalon I, II, III)? I think its' three, but before I go ahead and start firing off emails, I'd like to quickly followup on my question.

Also, do we write a letter to administration at Freestartr (through general inquires) asking to add these Alt★Hero omnibuses to our current account or should click 'Donate' and add them individually? Apologies for the numerous questions.

Kind regards

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 9:18 PM  

VD wrote:You think I gave my VISA # to a crowdfunding campaign that randomly adds a zero to the pledges it collects?? YOU MUST BE FUKKIN' NUTS!

I would think that publicly admitting to committing credit card fraud is nuts. You understand that Freestartr knows who you are and has evidence that you committed a felony, right?


...

What the HELL are you sperging about? How did you read my saying that I would NEVER in a million years turn over a single digit of my VISA card to that money laundering operation you are fundraising through as some sort of claim of fraud?


OHHHH, I see! You read one of your idiot commenters and took that as gospel. Vox Day, ladies and gentlemen! The man with the 200 IQ!

Blogger Matthew October 12, 2017 9:40 PM  

Man of the Atom wrote:By the way, for the non-filth kings like Mr Yungbluth here, this is what the funding looks like. Not Poisson as I suspected -- or not yet. Pretty linear climb.

Did you ever know that you're my hero?

Blogger Matthew October 12, 2017 9:42 PM  

Death Ray wrote:What the HELL are you sperging about? How did you read my saying that I would NEVER in a million years turn over a single digit of my VISA card to that money laundering operation you are fundraising through as some sort of claim of fraud?



Desperation is a stinky cologne.

Blogger daddynichol October 12, 2017 9:42 PM  

Death Ray, why do you keep stepping on your dick? You keep handing Vox more rope.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 12, 2017 9:45 PM  

Death Ray earns a meme.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 12, 2017 9:46 PM  

Matthew wrote:Man of the Atom wrote:By the way, for the non-filth kings like Mr Yungbluth here, this is what the funding looks like. Not Poisson as I suspected -- or not yet. Pretty linear climb.

Did you ever know that you're my hero?


I am honored, Good Sir.

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 9:48 PM  

I found another bug at Freestartr. It's kind of oddly specific. I wonder how THAT happened.

https://i.imgur.com/YcWhvYw.png

Blogger daddynichol October 12, 2017 9:50 PM  

Making comments great again.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 9:55 PM  

@67 ROFL. (You are a bit confused about who can't quit whom, however.)

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 12, 2017 9:57 PM  

Death Ray wrote:@67 ROFL. (You are a bit confused about who can't quit whom, however.)

Not at all. You're here.

Blogger Dave October 12, 2017 9:57 PM  

Meng Greenleaf wrote:I think its' three, but before I go ahead and start firing off emails, I'd like to quickly followup on my question.

Also, do we write a letter to administration at Freestartr (through general inquires) asking to add these Alt★Hero omnibuses to our current account or should click 'Donate' and add them individually? Apologies for the numerous questions.

Kind regards


Yes it is three. $70 Hardcover, $65 Add-on Hardcover #2, and $65 Add-on Hardcover #3 (description: This is to receive the hardcover omnibus that includes volumes I, II, and III of the Alt★Hero series Avalon, written by Chuck Dixon.)

Click 'Donate' and add each individually. You'll receive email confirmation for each 'donation' and you can verify the status under "My Dashboard - Contribution History"

Blogger Dave October 12, 2017 10:01 PM  

Markku wrote:I found another bug at Freestartr. It's kind of oddly specific. I wonder how THAT happened.



Very odd. I'm positive it was also stuck on 1488 backers.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 10:01 PM  

@69 Funny! Seriously tho', two people noticed the claim of millions raised. What up wit dat?

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 10:05 PM  

@72 You're here too, sugar. And ain't no one meme'ing YOU.

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 10:06 PM  

I don't know. I assume you're talking about the /co thread. I only scanned once, briefly. Didn't see any discussion regarding this. Based on the information you've provided I'd either say that it was someone first modifying the text in Chrome Inspect like I did, and then someone playing along with the screenshot, or it was a fradulent 100 million donation, noticed and then removed by Freestartr.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 12, 2017 10:08 PM  

Death Ray wrote:@72 You're here too, sugar. And ain't no one meme'ing YOU.

Secret King.

'Nuff said.

Blogger S1AL October 12, 2017 10:13 PM  

He's even misusing blog jargon. It's like a how-to for try-hard.

Blogger roughcoat October 12, 2017 10:19 PM  

Death Ray wrote:


...

What the HELL are you sperging about? How did you read my saying that I would NEVER in a million years turn over a single digit of my VISA card to that money laundering operation you are fundraising through as some sort of claim of fraud?

OHHHH, I see! You read one of your idiot commenters and took that as gospel. Vox Day, ladies and gentlemen! The man with the 200 IQ!


Because it's a real stretch to connect the one moron who is super-obsessed with attacking this campaign--to the point that he has used at least one sock puppet account in the past to support himself--with the "anonymous people" making false pledges in an attempt to disrupt the campaign. Even without little things like IP logs you're the obvious suspect.

While you're here, did you know I can't find any recent reference to you on the RIT website? You claim to be teaching a course there this semester, yes?

"Recently while I was teaching my cartooning course at the Rochester Institute of Technology, one of my students had to excuse himself to attend to a personal matter. His friend, a soldier who had served in the Afghan War, a man who had dodged enemy fire abroad, had been cut down in Las Vegas by a hate-filled gambler possessing an arsenal that would have made him the envy of the Taliban."

It's most curious that a current adjunct professor's name only shows up in old course proposals and is apparently misspelled where it does appear. You should really get that fixed because lack of visibility will hurt your career, you know.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 10:38 PM  

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Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 10:39 PM  

@80
"Because it's a real stretch to connect the one moron who is super-obsessed with attacking this campaign--to the point that he has used at least one sock puppet account in the past to support himself--with the "anonymous people" making false pledges in an attempt to disrupt the campaign. Even without little things like IP logs you're the obvious suspect."

My favorite part of all this is that your collective brainpower hasn't computed that there is no such thing as a credit card with a $100,000,000 limit.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 12, 2017 10:40 PM  

What the HELL are you sperging about? How did you read my saying that I would NEVER in a million years turn over a single digit of my VISA card to that money laundering operation you are fundraising through as some sort of claim of fraud?
A classic non-denial denial

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 10:47 PM  

My favorite part of all this is that your collective brainpower hasn't computed that there is no such thing as a credit card with a $100,000,000 limit.

Kickstarter-type Crowdfunding and GoFundMe -type funding are different things. In the latter, all the money always goes to the recipient, so the card is charged immediately. In Kickstarter-type funding it is only charged if the project goes over the goal. So, they tend to NOT charge immediately. Obviously the project is now so far off the 25k that charges are certain to be made at some point, but that's why the system is not set up for immediate charges. I'm guessing the bug was noticed when the system tried to charge the card, at which point it was removed from the pledged total.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 10:47 PM  

@83 This just gets funnier. So, to be clear, Snidely: have you actually convinced yourself that I have a credit line of $100,000,000 dollars and that I briefly pledged that much to Alt-Hero this afternoon?

(wait for it)

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 12, 2017 10:52 PM  

Markku, Matthew -- thanks for letting the monkey dance for us. The SDL is kind. Have a great night.

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 10:54 PM  

Nobody is saying that you used your own credit card number. Rather, from what I've heard, there has recently been a problem with many controversial Kickstarter campaigns, that their enemies troll them with large pledges with stolen credit card numbers (apparently easy to buy in DarkWeb). So, if you or someone has done THIS, then that would be a felony credit card fraud.

Blogger roughcoat October 12, 2017 10:54 PM  

Death Ray wrote:My favorite part of all this is that your collective brainpower hasn't computed that there is no such thing as a credit card with a $100,000,000 limit.

You know the money is pledged, right? It's not charged and held in escrow, dumbass.

But check this out! Someone just pledged $100,000,000,000! I screencapped it for posterity. Image here. Wow, what a generous person!

Anyway, how about that RIT business? Should I shoot the CIAS admin office a note letting them know about their omission?

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 10:55 PM  

We'll probably have to clean up before Vox wakes up, but the Ilk are clearly enjoying themselves, so...

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 10:55 PM  

@84 I'm sorry, Markku, I need some clarification:

Kickstarter does not make any charges to anyone's credit card until a campaign concludes, whether the goal is exceeded or not, because a person may need to cancel their pledge at any time.

Are you saying that Freestartr is/will be charging cards BEFORE this campaign ends?

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 10:57 PM  

@88 Why don't you shoot Chuck Dixon a line on Facebook? He's fielding a lot of questions today about his participation in this project, and he doesn't appear to like it.

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 10:59 PM  

I have no idea how it works, or how Kickstarter works on that aspect. If that's the way it's done, then it was probably noticed by a pair of eyeballs and not a charge. However, if you already knew that under no circumstances is money charged immediately, then why did you argue regarding the credit card limit, which you KNEW wouldn't have caused the pledge to fail?

Blogger roughcoat October 12, 2017 10:59 PM  

Why, does Chuck Dixon have a link to your faculty page on the RIT website?

Anonymous Uncle John's Band October 12, 2017 11:01 PM  

"Anyway, how about that RIT business? Should I shoot the CIAS admin office a note letting them know about their omission?"

It's the gamma apotheosis: the king so secret his "employer" is unaware of his presence. Either that or they just lack appreciation for mediocre artists with child rape fantasies.

Couldn't be that he's just another sad liar...

Anonymous Nathan October 12, 2017 11:04 PM  

"Couldn't be that he's just another sad liar..."

Likely, the utterly transparent attempts to defame Freestartr only support that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 12, 2017 11:08 PM  

Death Ray wrote:So, to be clear, Snidely: have you actually convinced yourself that I have a credit line of $100,000,000 dollars and that I briefly pledged that much to Alt-Hero this afternoon?


No, I am saying that your behavior is absolutely consistent with that of a person who knows he is guilty of a crime when he is confronted in public or by an authority figure.
Others have explained to you how this sort of griefing works, which you answer by pleading ignorance of what they just told you, and again attacking a strawman nobody is bothering to defend.

You're guilty as hell, Jason, I'm just not sure of what yet.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 11:09 PM  

@92 "However, if you already knew that under no circumstances is money charged immediately, then why did you argue regarding the credit card limit, which you KNEW wouldn't have caused the pledge to fail?"

I don't really understand the question. How Kickstarter does things and how your service does things seem to me to be completely unrelated. And it is your crackpots who actually floated the idea that someone legit pledged $100,000,000, not me. I just screengrabbed it for posterity.

As for Freestartr, I think this is now an open question that you have raised. Are cards being charged before the drive ends or not?

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 11:16 PM  

I don't really understand the question.

You argued that the only way this could have happened by a fradulent pledge is if the credit card had a limit of 100M. Yet you already knew that this type of crowdfunding never charges a credit card immediately as the pledge is made. Hence the system would have had no way of knowing what the actual credit card limit is, and you knew this already when you made your argument. Which means that you knowingly made a dishonest argument.

Are cards being charged before the drive ends or not?

Don't know, don't care. I didn't even know that Kickstarter doesn't charge earlier than the end of the campaign, even if the goal is exceeded.

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 11:20 PM  

If someone who actually has pledged, or who we know from the blog for at least half a year back asks us that, then I'll find out. But I don't jump through hoops for you.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 11:40 PM  

@99 So, here's the headline:

The manager of this pledge drive neither knows nor CARES if the crowdfunding platform they are using will be (or already is) charging the credit cards of their pledgers prior to the conclusion of the campaign, even though said manager believes (see @84) that Freestartr may have on 10/12/17 ACTUALLY TRIED to charge a credit card and collect on a $100,000,000 "pledge" made that afternoon (which may have been an actual pledge, or may reflect a different error by Freestartr--see screengrab: https://imgur.com/3T3shUN).

I think you will DEFINITELY hear some inquiries about that from your pledgers.

Blogger Dave October 12, 2017 11:41 PM  

FAQ U

What is a fixed length campaign?
A fixed length campaign is a one-time campaign that has a start date and an end date. The goal amount for the campaign has to be met or exceeded by the end date, otherwise the campaign is incomplete and nobody is charged for their contribution. This campaign type is similar to Kickstarter and is best for projects with a fixed and known cost, such as films, comic books, or events.

What is an open-ended campaign?
An open-ended campaign is also a one-time campaign, but it doesn’t have an end date — just a goal amount. Every contribution is immediately charged. This campaign type is similar to GoFundMe or IndieGoGo and is best for projects that are easily scaleable, such as legal defense funds or poster campaigns.

What is a subscription campaign?
A subscription campaign is a recurring campaign that charges contributors every month, without an end date. This campaign type is similar to Patreon and is best for on-going projects such as podcasts, YouTube videos, or citizen journalism on Twitter.

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 11:43 PM  

I'll be glad to answer them. Now, you be a good boy and run off to try that approach.

Though "believes" would be a lie. It was a hypothesis based on the information you gave me. I received new information, so I made a better hypothesis. But of course, people already expect you to lie.

OR, maybe no such headline will turn up, and this is such a transparent bluff that it insults the intelligence of everyone here. It'll be exciting to see.

Blogger Death Ray October 12, 2017 11:49 PM  

@102 What's the bluff? I had been under the impression the entire time that no one had actually MADE a $100,000,000 pledge, that it was just a cock-up on Freestartr's part. Then your crew here seemed to say that someone actually HAD made such a pledge, and you then you suggested that Freestartr may have actually tried to cash in on it by charging the card prematurely.

Not my words. Yours. Did someone pledge $100,000,000 this afternoon?

Blogger Markku October 12, 2017 11:57 PM  

Freestartr may have actually tried to cash in on it by charging the card prematurely.

Prematurely would be before the original goal was exceeded, and it was still uncertain whether the project would actually happen. It is no longer uncertain. So, whether it is charged after the goal is exceeded or after the campaign in fact ends, is just a matter of policy. I don't know, nor care, which policy Freestartr happens to have. If it charged before the project became certain, then I would care.

I don't know if someone pledged 100M. As you can see from my words yourself, it was one of the two hypotheses I offered. The other was editing the number in Chrome Inspect. But in no scenario AT ALL would the site have known at the moment the pledge was made, that it exceeded the credit card limit. Hence your original argument remains dishonest, and you are flailing about, trying to distract us from that fact. No, just like the supposedly rough gloss you flailed about, and then fell entirely silent when I showed you the photo - IN TWO THREADS - you are still trying the same shtick. It was already old when you tried it the FIRST time.

Now, do go away and start writing that headline you bragged about.

Blogger Lazarus October 13, 2017 12:06 AM  

Yungbluth is a doughboy.

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 12:13 AM  

@104 Mr. Kopenen, what you are saying actually makes no sense. First, here is a description from the Freestartr page that one someone here just posted:

"What is a fixed length campaign?
A fixed length campaign is a one-time campaign that has a start date and an end date. The goal amount for the campaign has to be met or exceeded by the end date, otherwise the campaign is incomplete and nobody is charged for their contribution. This campaign type is similar to Kickstarter and is best for projects with a fixed and known cost, such as films, comic books, or events."

By "similar to a Kickstarter", one reasonably expects that they are following Kickstarter's playbook: Pledges are collected, right up until the end of the campaign, but no MONEY is collected. No card in a Kickstarter is charged until the campaign concludes. And then only if the goal has been met or exceeded.

Your campaign's success isn't "certain" until the cards are charged, and they aren't meant to be charged until the end of the pledge drive, because in theory every single pledger may decide to cancel before then.

In other words, if your pledgers are having their credit cards charged now, that would be fraud, since they were told they have two weeks to change their minds. I'm sure THAT would make you care, correct?

Maybe a pledger could weigh in here and explain if they have already been charged or not.

Anonymous Nathan October 13, 2017 12:23 AM  

The allegation isn't whether Alt-Hero and Freestartr are committing fraud, it is whether Jason Yungbluth is committing defamation based on the fabricated image he provided.

Blogger Dave October 13, 2017 12:27 AM  

Actually my first pledge was Sept. 29 which is exactly two weeks as of today Friday the 13th.

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 12:29 AM  

@107 Better check yo'self before you wreck yo'self. I wasn't the first person to spot it.

https://i.imgur.com/5dGXwoi.jpg

Anonymous Just another commenter October 13, 2017 12:29 AM  

I have not seen a charges posted for the hardbacks I want, but I've seen a lot of accusations tossed about by a particular poster here. Envy is a cardinal sin, you know, as are wrath and pride. Lying is just a commandment violation. If your blood pressure rises much more because of excessive abuse of those things, Man of Atom's (@67) meme of your caricature might tragically be more than than a cartoon self.

Not sure how you expect any sane person to read through much of your work without feeling like they need a shower when they are done. Have you done any work un-ironically positive in your life recently?

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 12:30 AM  

@108 Has your card been charged?

Anonymous CPEG October 13, 2017 12:31 AM  

Can guarantee that cards have not yet been charged. Can also guarantee that Yungbluth did not hoax the screenshot, as I also saw the 100 million on the crowdfunding page.

Blogger Dave October 13, 2017 12:35 AM  

Death Ray wrote:@108 Has your card been charged?

Has yours?

Anonymous CPEG October 13, 2017 12:35 AM  

"I wasn't the first person to spot it."

That's right. Somehow, yours was the very next comment.

Anonymous Death Ray October 13, 2017 12:36 AM  

@112 If the cards haven't been charged, then my question is answered. Markku saying he didn't "know or care" piqued my interest.

But DID someone "pledge" $100,000,000?

Blogger Lazarus October 13, 2017 12:38 AM  

Back in the mists of time, my mother took our collection of Mad Magazines and dumped them in the trashcan.

At the time, I thought it was harsh and tyrannical.

After a half century of experience, I now think it was wise and just.

Blogger Dave October 13, 2017 12:45 AM  

CPEG wrote:Can guarantee that cards have not yet been charged.

Are you guaranteeing my card has not been charged?

Anonymous Death Ray October 13, 2017 12:46 AM  

@116 Joke's on you. Mad IS garbage. What were you doing holding on to them?

Blogger roughcoat October 13, 2017 12:51 AM  

Hey, I finally found our buddy here in the RIT course catalog! One evening course, Intro to Cartooning, in James E Booth hall. One wonders if RIT alumni are familiar with the disturbing content of Jason's professional work, given he might be in contact with their children. But that's a story for another day.

So tell me Jason, why are you so mentally damaged that it's harder for you to just answer a question than continue your sea lioning act?

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 12:54 AM  

@119 Is this, like, the most pathetic effort at doxing in all of human history, or are you bored because your granny porn isn't downloading fast enough?

Blogger Feather Blade October 13, 2017 12:59 AM  

Death Ray wrote:@112 If the cards haven't been charged, then my question is answered. Markku saying he didn't "know or care" piqued my interest.

But DID someone "pledge" $100,000,000?


OMG who cares?

Get a different hobby, dork. This one is super boring for everyone else to watch.

/valleygirl

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 13, 2017 1:01 AM  

@Jason
It must really eat at you that Vox can raise so much money to make a comic. The envy is palpable.

Maybe you should consider writing a comic that isn't about tearing down everything good and innocent in the world.

Blogger roughcoat October 13, 2017 1:01 AM  

Oh, no. I'm just a concerned citizen who also happens to know a lot of people who either went to RIT or who sent kids there. And I wonder why a school that will charge more for a degree than a pretty decent house costs around here employs a disturbed hack like you.

Blogger roughcoat October 13, 2017 1:10 AM  

As far as the $100,000,000 pledge, if it was made it was cleaned up in <= 40 minutes, according to my backing-over-time data. See, the $100,000,000 doesn't show up in my data but an anomalous cache refresh (near the time said fake pledge had to have been made) does. There's no way that pledge was live for long.

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 1:11 AM  

@122 Ah ah! Remember: It's not about making comics, it's about "pissing in Cheerios". Frankly, I'd save my pledge dollars and buy my own box of Cheerios and a bottle of Poland Spring, but I'm frugal that way.

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 1:13 AM  

@122 (Don't Cheerios count as something good and innocent? Why do you want Vox whizzing all over yours?)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 13, 2017 1:14 AM  

Death Ray wrote:Remember: It's not about making comics, it's about "pissing in Cheerios".
No it's about making GOOD comics. And you and other comics pros like you HATE HATE HATE Alt-Hero because it shows up your pathetic inability to write a comic that normal people will enjoy. Your tears of unfathomable sadness, they nourish me.

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 1:17 AM  

@127 Mmmm... I don't think a guy whose blog reads like Rita Repulsa channeling Mencius Moldbug really has good, tight superhero action on his mind.

Anonymous Vox Diaboli October 13, 2017 1:19 AM  

"Maybe you should consider writing a comic that isn't about tearing down everything good and innocent in the world."

Mr. Yungbluth, I propose a synthesis. Write a cartoon wallowing in the filth you prefer, but put a little truth into it. Say, a poor mulatta girl named Clarissa whose white single mom is so proud of how not racist she is for sleeping with black men, that she turns a blind eye to allll her black boyfriends taking turns with the kid.

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 1:22 AM  

@129 I have it on good authority this is actually Chuck Dixon's treatment for his series "How Little Can I get Away With Writing for $20,000?"

Anonymous CPEG October 13, 2017 1:23 AM  

Vox always puts story first. Writing stories IS a profession of his. He himself has said that political commentary is really just a hobby.

Anonymous Just another commenter October 13, 2017 1:27 AM  

@128 - I realize that good, tight superhero action
is what you think of when you see a picture of Robbin the Boy Wonder walking by in spandex, but I really hope Vox isn't thinking the same. That's the problem with Hollywood, comics, and everything else infested with SJWs these days. I hope he's got a good story of fighting evil and hopelessness, not spreading it as some "artists" are wont to do.

Again, do you have anything you've created recently that's unironically positive or hopeful?

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 1:27 AM  

@131 Well, you better tell him that he said that, because here's what he's said about Alt-Hero from the start:

Q: How about doing what you did for S-F? Not a "message" comic at all. Just a darn good graphic novel, with solid traditional values. Excellent art, great story, clever dialogue, no spoofing and no obvious ideology beyond what comes naturally from the characters.

A: That's like saying that Captain America should just ignore the Cold War. It would be unnatural and ideological to pretend that rogue superheroes would be any less affected by social justice than all the rest of us.

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 1:29 AM  

@132 I'm honestly hoping Chuck takes up my idea for The Silencer:
https://medium.com/@Death_Ray/an-open-letter-to-chuck-dixon-4551684b4158

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 13, 2017 1:33 AM  

This is just sad. Either you pledged the 100 mil or someone you knew did and nudged your elbow our you've been monitoring the site on a constant basis. Face it, you are obsessed with this. Worse you think we're like you. That we're so damaged and untrustworthy we could be worried Vox won't deliver.

We aren't worried. Vox always delivers. So if the deliberate false pledges keep coming we'll know you're worried. We'll know you're afraid this will find traction. Because each and every one of us that has looked at a SJW comic or listened to their broken, talentless, twisted creators know that all Vox has to do is put it out there. Tell a story we want to read. Give us heroes that look like heroes, not Squirrel Girl, and, 'Carl Manvers'.

That's all he has to do and don't say he can't. Because, Chuck Dixon and Jon Del Arroz. Oh, and Vox Day.

Anonymous CPEG October 13, 2017 1:47 AM  

@133 Oh come on. You completely missed the point.
The question was based on the false premise that Alt-Hero would be some sort of shameless, boring far-right propaganda with a message and no depth.

That's not the point.

The point is that telling a good story that has some actual truth in it, will necessarily touch on at least something political.

For example, Hispanics are overrepresented in sex crimes, especially sex crimes involving children. Now, unless you believe the stats are a Russian conspiracy, whatever your politics, this means that even in the real world, actually fighting actual crimes will necessarily mean taking down more than your demographic quote of brown people. Whatever your politics, whatever you think is the root cause, that is a simple fact. You will stop more Mexican pedophiles per capita than White Christian Leave-It-To-Beaver dads. Even without bringing in any sort of boring propaganda message, even in real life, this means there is an inevitable choice:
1) Actually do your best to stop actual crimes. This means you will take down a lot of brown people. In today's political and cultural environment, there is a chance people will notice that fact and take that, in itself, as a reason to stop you.
2) Let those kids get raped.

Vox believes in telling good stories... and something like that, apparently, will be related the story. Because option 1 has the potential to be a piece of a genuinely interesting story. I sincerely believe that aspect in itself is more story-worthy than, say, the X-Men "they hate us because we're different, and I guess some of the powers are hard to control too" angst.

Anonymous Just another commenter October 13, 2017 1:57 AM  

@134 - deflect, deflect, ignore, and double down.

I ask again: Do you have ANY recent work that is in any way really meant to be positive, inspiring, uplifting, morally proper and unironic?

If not, then YOU are part of the reason Alt★Hero will succeed. Thank you for doing your own little part in Making Comics Great Again.

Oh, and we really are laughing. Just not *with* you.

Blogger Death Ray October 13, 2017 1:58 AM  

Brick Hardslab wrote: Face it, you are obsessed with this. Worse you think we're like you. That we're so damaged and untrustworthy we could be worried Vox won't deliver.

We aren't worried. Vox always delivers.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/10/new-page-up.html

You guys keep repeating "Vox delivers" like you've all had chips put in your brian. Has he delivered on a pledge drive before? No? Because it's all balloon juice until he delivers the product. Ask a hell of a lot of people who have backed a Kickstarter (and Kickstarter is run by guys who know what they are doing, who remember how to collect international shipping data, and who don't make $100,000,000 goofs)

Doesn't bother me if Vox DOES make $100,000,000 off this crap. The original SJW comic book was The X-Men: a story to inspire every black kid, every weirdo born with claws for hands (real claws, the kind that make you unfuckable in high school), every fatso and and every blue-haired lesbian that they are going to win the day if they unite against goose steppin' bird shits like Theodore "Epsilon Supreme Voice of God" Beale. (Holy Fuckin' ego, Batman! If only they gave Hugo awards for self importance :)

(Oh, and Chuck is a hack whose Bane comic is selling worse than Squirrel Girl. Ask your shop owner... if you even read comics.)

Anonymous CPEG October 13, 2017 2:10 AM  

Dei is God in Latin... And in Greek it's Theo. Which is his name. "The voice of Theo." High IQ people are kind of weird.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 13, 2017 2:10 AM  

Death Ray wrote:Doesn't bother me if Vox DOES make $100,000,000 off this crap.
This is what is known as a lie. Your envy is eating your soul.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 13, 2017 2:12 AM  

Death Ray wrote:he original SJW comic book was The X-Men: a story to inspire every black kid, every weirdo born with claws for hands, every fatso and and every blue-haired lesbian that they are going to win the day if they unite against goose steppin' bird shits
Too bad they don't read comics, huh?

Blogger roughcoat October 13, 2017 2:16 AM  

You're such a fuckwit, Jason. Let us count the ways in your last long post alone:

1. Day != dei.

2. You clearly do not understand how web programming works or you'd stop bleating about someone putting in a "donation" for an absurd amount, an amount that would never be charged, and which was taken down at most 40 minutes after it was pledged (by you, probably). You have about as much business commenting on flaws in web technology as a cockroach does.

3. Vox has a history of delivering on projects *without knowing they'll be financially successful beforehand*, but you think his knowing this project is viable will somehow make him less likely to deliver. I repeat, you are a fuckwit who does not understand logic.

4. You just called Chuck Dixon a hack. Nuff said, but your "proof" isn't even correct. Bane Conquest is selling ~50% more than Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.

Total, irredeemable fuckwit. Take your circus ball and fuck off back to Seaworld.

Anonymous CPEG October 13, 2017 2:41 AM  

Seaworld? I think he'd be more at home in Hollywood.

Blogger VD October 13, 2017 4:27 AM  

You guys keep repeating "Vox delivers" like you've all had chips put in your brian. Has he delivered on a pledge drive before? No? Because it's all balloon juice until he delivers the product.

You're lying again. I suggest you have a look at Infogalactic. Then contemplate the fact that a site like that is considerably more difficult than for a publisher of over 150 ebooks, print editions, and audiobooks to produce nine digital comics and three omnibus print editions in a timely manner.

Also, all of your flailing about regarding credit card charges merely demonstrates your ignorance. Credit cards can be verified without being charged. The reason the fake pledge was possible has nothing to do with Freestartr, but is the result of the payment processor not automatically verifying the cards the way Paypal does for Kickstarter.

Once they noticed the fake pledge, they had the payment processor run the verification process, then canceled it. The only fraud that was committed was by the individual who made the fake pledge; this is the second time that has happened, the other one was a few days ago and has already been traced to a stolen credit card.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 13, 2017 5:09 AM  

Wow. A nice night's sleep and what do I find?

Jason Y: "I jes' cain't quit you, Supreme Dark Lord!"

Confirmed.

Yeah, Death Ray, you aren't fixated at all.

Blogger MJ Meyers October 13, 2017 7:59 AM  

It amazes me how these loser SJWs have so little going on in their lives, responsibilities to conquer and/or fun activities to enjoy, that they feel the need to incessantly concern-troll on this blog.

CT-SJWs, try your antics at a National Review or Blaze comment section. They have no power here. Termites are very effective on already sinking wooden ships, but they have no power on the steel ones rising.

Anonymous Just another commenter October 13, 2017 10:16 AM  

I will take your continued silence on the topic of your work as a "no, there isn't anything from the side of good in your portfolio."

Though I'd not be surprised at some lame and broken attempt in the near future you can point to, just so you can say "see!" but I suspect you would not understand its flaws, even when we point them out.

Anonymous Whitebeard October 13, 2017 12:08 PM  

So, the $100m pledge seems to be the handiwork of a neogaf troll: http://archive.fo/cPtRM

A "joke donation." Their words.

Blogger SirHamster October 13, 2017 1:39 PM  

Whitebeard wrote:A "joke donation." Their words.

Any anti-fraud laws that can be brought to bear would not be a joke.

But it would be funny.

Blogger MJ Meyers October 13, 2017 10:18 PM  

Ya know what the best thing about debts or torts incurred by intentional conduct (like using a credit card to make a fraudulent donation) in the US is?

They're not dischargeable in bankruptcy. Even if it's for a nominal amount of $, once the judgment is entered, the SJW gets a citation to discover assets. He's gotta show Vox his bank statements, tax returns, pay stubs, financial statements, etc. Better not have a bank account. Or that's being frozen. If he has a job, I wonder how he'll explain the garnishment to his employer?

Of course, the SJW could just not show up for the citation or refuse to comply, but then the rule to show cause is coming. And a warrant for his arrest if he fails to appear on that.

Follows you around for the REST of your LIFE until its paid as long as Vox renews the judgment every set number of years depending on the state it's in.

Not saying such action would be necessary to quell the histrionic disrupters. But were it so...

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