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Sunday, October 08, 2017

NFL Week 5

Open thread for those still following. TNF down 12 percent, biggest decline to date the late double-header on CBS, which featured the Raiders vs Denver and was down 31 percent from last year.

Over just one month of player, coach, and owner protests of the flag and National Anthem, the National Football League has gone from America's sport to the least liked of top professional and college sports, according to a new poll. From the end of August to the end of September, the favorable ratings for the NFL have dropped from 57 percent to 44 percent, and it has the highest unfavorable rating – 40 percent – of any big sport.

It does not appear to be going away. I can't speak for anyone else, but I've just been using the additional time to work on Castalia House books.

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Blogger Wayne October 08, 2017 11:10 AM  

For the average pro football athlete, a real world lesson in economics is better than the one they never received from our educational system.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 08, 2017 11:11 AM  

During Deflategate, I commented to a friend that the NFL would be well advised to move the league office out of NYC and to the middle of no where. I disavow that statement. They need to relocate to Point Barrow, Alaska.

SJWs can't survive in cold climates without burning each other for warmth.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 08, 2017 11:15 AM  

Do the players get paid by eyeballs viewing? Until it pinches them they won't care. It is up to the owners. None of this would have happened if the owners were not anti-American as the kneeling crybabies.

Anonymous JAG October 08, 2017 11:23 AM  

It will begin to pinch the athletes in a few years when average salaries start coming down. In addition to waning interest in the NFL, many NFL have been burned many times in the Free Agency era by the "contract year athlete" who gets paid then promptly checks out mentally. Dez Bryant being a glaring recent example of the guy who gets paid then becomes the invisible man.

Anonymous Big bark. Not so much bite. October 08, 2017 11:29 AM  

I get on the NFLs case a lot but i would probably miss it if it was gone.

Anonymous Big bark. Not so much bite. October 08, 2017 11:34 AM  

Also bc of the flag thing reading this blog and someone mentioning the connection to Trumps USFL days it got me to youtubing USFL sruff. That league seemed really cool 1983-85 2 point conversions 18 games Bobby Hebert Kelvin Bryant cool helmets and names colorful. Steve Young Jim Kelly. Herschel Walker. It was not a joke. I noticed though in the final USFL game the championship game played in 1985 in Giant Stadium there was a rain delay.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 08, 2017 11:46 AM  

@3 Brick Hardslab

It'll show up in salary caps starting next year. Won't be big to start, maybe rather than going up 5mil it'll go up 3mil. But, in a few years, it starts going lower.

It'll start showing up in the outside money. The few big names will still get deals, but everyone else won't. No one will care much about it until the Superbowl. The Superbowl will still be big, but things start falling away.

Football programs start having problems recruiting at the smaller D1 & D2 schools. Top Athletes focus more on Basketball or Baseball. A few without any real pro prospects suddenly via Lacrosse as a sport to play.

The NFL sits at the top of an system they don't control. Top college programs will do fine. You can run out such massive teams that it limits the nasty, life-long injuries. But the NFL will get much smaller.

And in 20 years, no one is really looking forward to watching Football on Sunday. Who wants to watch Men break their brains? But, let you tell you about watching Brady win...

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 08, 2017 11:53 AM  

Great going, Goodell! If the Washington Examiner poll is true, this is a staggering meltdown for the NFL. It means baseball is back as America’s pastime. NFL favorabiliy has cratered amongst ALL demographic groups.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shock-poll-nfl-now-least-liked-sport-core-fans-down-31/article/2636837

Anonymous Jimbob October 08, 2017 11:58 AM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:Do the players get paid by eyeballs viewing?

Ultimately, yes. So much of the NFL's money (and thus team valuations, money to owners, and money paid to players), comes from the NFL's massive TV contracts.

If those TV networks have less and less viewers, they'll have less ad money, which means less money to bid on the NFL contracts with, so less money goes to the NFL.

It will take a few years, but this will start to severely punish the players.

Blogger Johnny October 08, 2017 12:03 PM  

In one of the places I go where men commonly gather, it used to be that the casual conversation was football, hunting, or fishing. The football topic has been dropped, I suppose because now it is not automatically a safe area of casual conversation.
If they had dropped this whole thing quicker it would be a passing event of little consequence, but somehow they are not.

I imagine there are a lot of season ticket holders who, having paid in advance, are loath to not attend when the money is already spent. Thus I anticipate a year to year drop in attendance next year if things stay as they are.

Blogger Dave October 08, 2017 12:18 PM  

I imagine there are a lot of season ticket holders who, having paid in advance, are loath to not attend when the money is already spent.

I've heard quite a few season ticket holders say they won't spend money on concessions at the stadiums. Too bad for the vendors but the NFL brought this upon themselves.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 08, 2017 12:21 PM  

We used to see flags, slogans and linked ads everywhere. The only ones I've seen in my area are at Wal-Mart.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 08, 2017 12:25 PM  

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Blogger Cecil Henry October 08, 2017 12:27 PM  

Yeah, the NFL is now a poisoned well, and no longer an enjoyable escape from the anti-White diversity agenda.

The change in attitude is at first cognitive, but then becomes an emotional aversion to the topic.

Its at that point that the permanent real disconnect from the NFL begins. Diversity really kills.

LIE: Diversity™ is our strength.

TRUTH: Diversity™ is our sadness.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams October 08, 2017 12:55 PM  

I caught a bit of the Chief's opening ceremony Monday. The national anthem ceremony featured a group holding the flag, which was shaped like the usa. That was nice to see.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 08, 2017 12:58 PM  

Cogdis: Proclaiming "diversity" is our strength but having to link arms in a show of "unity"

Blogger YIH October 08, 2017 1:03 PM  

Last week there was a debate about whether the Raiders O-line was allowing Carr to get abused. My position then and now is ''possible, but it wasn't obvious enough for the coaches to make corrections'' - though I'm sure they have at least addressed it in the locker or film room. It's being reported Derek Carr (back) has fought like crazy to play but sources tell Rapoport his injury isn't expected to allow him to return this week. if (back) is as bad as it sounds, he'll likely be out a lot longer than today. Considering he was a big part of the Raiders making the playoffs last year, as they say, ''karma is a real...''

Anonymous Big bark. Not so much bite. October 08, 2017 1:10 PM  

Re 1:03. Yeah i think the Ravens O line might have been doing that to Joe Flaco in the 2012-13 Super Bowl in the second half which is beyond comprehension. Thats a big turn off.. no nfl player should ever do that again. Thats worse than any political expression in my opinion.

Blogger YIH October 08, 2017 1:13 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:During Deflategate, I commented to a friend that the NFL would be well advised to move the league office out of NYC and to the middle of no where. I disavow that statement. They need to relocate to Point Barrow, Alaska.

SJWs can't survive in cold climates without burning each other for warmth.

I dunno, I think Vox might beg to differ on that one.
BTW, Looks like Nate is about to meet his namesake. If you're wondering, yes I have, it's a retired name. I doubt there's been a Theo yet, too far down in the alphabet.

Blogger Bigceltic October 08, 2017 1:29 PM  

I quit my NFL habit after week 3 due to the flag/anthem shenanigans and am not going back, tis year at least. Amazing all the other opportunities to do things on Sundays other than couch surf!

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 08, 2017 1:39 PM  

How to make this fit in an NFL thread? Ah! Got it.

So what the chances that Jim Harbaugh will go back to the 49ers now?

Last night finally ended the romance. Not putting U of M on top of the Big Ten was bad enough but he is now sitting on a record of 1 for 4 with Michigan's two biggest rivals. Beating your rivals MATTERS to U of M.

Harbaugh is the second highest paid college coach in the nation. What has he done to earn it? U of M fan's are after three years of worshiping the man, finally...FINALLY waking up to the fact that he might just be a little over-rated.

This is year three, O'Korn was his pick and threw 3 interceptions last night. The third throw that turned a Spartan tackle into a receiver was bad enough. But then O'Korn apparently decided that since Football wasn't working out for him he'd try his hand at Futbol instead and did an Oscar winning Flop on the MSU sideline. It didn't fool anyone.

Flipside. When is Mark Dantonio going to get any respect? Urban Meyer has had three defeats in the Big Ten and TWO of them were handed to him by Mark Dantonio.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 08, 2017 1:48 PM  

Yeah, the NFL is now a poisoned well, and no longer an enjoyable escape from the anti-White diversity agenda.

That is the unrecoverable mistake the NFL made. They could probably repair the rift with the Civic Nationalists (though hard since they've already shot the bolt of Military celebration) but letting race get into it means white guys have a hard time spending money on a game with so many blacks.

And White kids aren't playing youth football much any more. Participation has been steadily falling for a few years now.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 08, 2017 1:53 PM  

I hope in the next knee taking that all the NFL players are wearing jerseys that say
"HE HATE ME"

Anonymous Causal Lurker October 08, 2017 1:57 PM  

Under the weather today, or I'd do something much more constructive: make beer.

Blogger Salt October 08, 2017 2:16 PM  

So Pence walked out of the game because the players knelt and Kapernick wants in, says he'll stand if signed.

So much entertainment.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 08, 2017 2:36 PM  

@25 Salt

Trump won; NFL lost.

Lots of fun.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 08, 2017 2:39 PM  

As with Ray Rice, as with the entire league. Should have kicked the NFL out of my life years ago. I'm more productive now!

Anonymous Pax_Romana October 08, 2017 3:03 PM  

Drudge Report posted up, Crapernick's caving; he'll stand if someone will just sign him. Real commitment to his "cause." He knelt to get into the spotlight, and he'll stand to get back into the spotlight. Coward.

Anonymous patrick kelly October 08, 2017 3:06 PM  

Muh Raiderz schedule is brutal. 2 x Den and KC, Ravens today, plus Pats, Buffalo, and all of the NFC East.
10 wins and making the playoff are going to be challenging.

At least Manuel looked good as a backup QB.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 08, 2017 3:29 PM  

NFL has IMO finally found the Cuck spot socially, not where you want to be. Grambling / Southern match up will be bigger in 10 years

Blogger YIH October 08, 2017 3:34 PM  

Pax_Romana wrote:Drudge Report posted up, Crapernick's caving; he'll stand if someone will just sign him. Real commitment to his "cause." He knelt to get into the spotlight, and he'll stand to get back into the spotlight. Coward.
I guess it's dawning on him it ain't ''teh cause'', he was ''blackballed from the NFL'' from is because like Manziel and Tebow he just ain't an NFL starter grade QB.
Especially at QB, it still is a meritocracy.

Anonymous Peace October 08, 2017 3:42 PM  

Jets are looking good too. Should be 3-2 soon.

Blogger YIH October 08, 2017 3:52 PM  

WOW! The Steelers should have had little problem with the Jaguars, but that is not the case.

Blogger Weouro October 08, 2017 3:54 PM  

I'm more interested in MMA now than NFL but I really hate that they have a woman's division in UFC. NFL for me has gone the way of Target. I was previously indifferent. There's a lot of places I can go to get their basic offering.

Blogger Leatherwing October 08, 2017 3:57 PM  

The public disapproval will probably be felt in endorsement contracts before salaries. Cam Newton learned that public opinion can be costly very quickly. I believe it was Gronkowski that has so far not used ANY of his NFL salary money and has spent only endorsement money. That well can dry up pretty quickly.

Blogger YIH October 08, 2017 4:02 PM  

Peace wrote:Jets are looking good too. Should be 3-2 soon.
Playing the Cleveland Baby Seals will do that :)

Anonymous 11B October 08, 2017 4:30 PM  

It means baseball is back as America’s pastime. NFL favorabiliy has cratered amongst ALL demographic groups.

I suppose it will take some time for this to sort itself out. As for baseball being America's pastime, I can't even watch the MLB playoffs on broadcast tv. Additionally, I can't even listen to them on radio! Thursday night my local sports radio station carried an audio broadcast of Thursday Night Football. Friday night they carried high school football. Saturday it was college football. And today they are carrying NFL games even though folks could watch those on broadcast TV.

I cannot believe how far baseball has fallen. I think the World Series will be on broadcast Fox. But most of the rest of the playoffs will be on pay tv.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 08, 2017 4:34 PM  

I'd heard some teams stopped the kneeling already last week, though I think some are replacing it with Black Power salutes, which won't look any better if they get asked what that's about. The sports media is trying to flush it down the memory hole, but it doesn't look like that's gonna work. I just heard about Pence; I wonder how many people walked out with him, or if they even noticed at the time. Probably most of those willing to walk out already weren't going in the first place, and the 49ers are a horrible draw already, but who knows.

Blogger AdognamedOp October 08, 2017 4:41 PM  

Ridiculous penalty against GB, Dallas scores on next play. TV off.

Anonymous 11B October 08, 2017 4:49 PM  

I just heard about Pence;

That is brilliant. Just when they thought the controversy was going to pass, Pence puts it back onto the front page. I hope it goads some players to do and say even more ridiculous things that the MSM and democrats will have to own. It shouldn't be too hard to prod a desired reaction out of a league with so many double-digit IQ people.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan October 08, 2017 5:07 PM  

With the Patriots now down the toilet... we're seeing the last class of great quarterbacks go into history,though Aaron Rodgers is still doing okay but he's already been transformed into the new and highly annoying Golden Boy commercial PR Flack. There are no more remarkable quarterbacks or truly remarkable players. It's a league of 32 mediocre to lousy teams playing in front of 3/4 empty stadiums.

In an ironic twist of fate the divisional system has burned them, which I never liked. Not only do you get to see the lousy divisional matchups once you get to see them twice! I think I'd rather watch paint dry than watch the Steelers tee off on the Cleveland Browns twice a year for the 25th consecutive year.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan October 08, 2017 5:10 PM  

"It means baseball is back as America’s pastime. NFL favorabiliy has cratered amongst ALL demographic groups."

Major League Baseball is not the favorite pastime of America again. It is the favorite pastime of America's large minority groups of Asians and Hispanics. That is the Genesis of its "resurgence."

Blogger HardReturn¶ October 08, 2017 5:15 PM  

Read today the kneeling has now crossed over to the NHL among some of its 30 or so black players.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 08, 2017 5:40 PM  

@24. Causal Lurker
I have a 5gal batch of traditional honey mead (to be drank in feb, for my youngest kid's 21 bday) and a 1gal of a 2 month batch (honey, cinamon, clove, orange). About to start another 1gal 2 month batch (honey, cinamon, strawberry). I got a couple of pineapples that are looking good. Hmmm.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 08, 2017 5:44 PM  

@43
NFL taking a knee? In a sport that includes something called a check, that may be dangerous, eh?

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 08, 2017 5:44 PM  

If there was any brains in non-NFL networks they would Prime time rugby.

Anonymous Blastmaster October 08, 2017 6:09 PM  

Many of them will be incapable of understanding even this.

Anonymous Causal Lurker October 08, 2017 6:33 PM  

@44 JaimeinTexas, those sound good. I'll brew next weekend, got a NZ-style bitter to make, using Pacific Jade for the bittering hops. Composite recipe based on what I drank in NZ a few years back, worked well as a 1 gal pilot batch. Today was not good for handling ingredients.

Sampled a winter cyser I put down two years ago (5 gal apple cider, 4 lb honey, cinnamon, nutmeg, little clove, touch of ginger). Nicely aged and very mellow spices. Pineapple? Yeah, interesting, could have some fun making that.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 08, 2017 6:35 PM  

we're seeing the last class of great quarterbacks go into history

Kirk Cousins is going to get a massive contract next season.

OpenID phenixrising16 October 08, 2017 6:47 PM  

A true test of how this plays out will come next July when the Packers have their next owner's meeting. How many of the people that have shelled out $250 for a nominal share of the team (read: fundraiser for stadium improvements) will raise hell? Should be interesting, considering the emotional investment the people of Wisconsin have in the team.

A lot of people have a decision to make.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 08, 2017 6:54 PM  

Causal Lurker wrote:@44 JaimeinTexas, those sound good. I'll brew next weekend, got a NZ-style bitter to make, using Pacific Jade for the bittering hops. Composite recipe based on what I drank in NZ a few years back, worked well as a 1 gal pilot batch. Today was not good for handling ingredients.

Sampled a winter cyser I put down two years ago (5 gal apple cider, 4 lb honey, cinnamon, nutmeg, little clove, touch of ginger). Nicely aged and very mellow spices. Pineapple? Yeah, interesting, could have some fun making that.


How was your luck with the pacific jade? I used it about a year ago and got all pepper and herbal flavor with no citrus. I suppose that flavor profile would work well in a bitter but I am more of a fan of the traditional EKG/styrian goldings in a bitter.

Anonymous Greg with 1 G October 08, 2017 7:00 PM  

Pence walks!!! Mic dropped!!! However, it was a set up from the outset. The 49ers always kneel... This is a known known. Still very REEEE of my VP tho

Blogger Admiral James October 08, 2017 7:27 PM  

Watching Band of Brothers, one episode per Sunday instead
All gave some, and some gave all for Old Glory

Blogger Admiral James October 08, 2017 7:28 PM  

Or War movies

Anonymous patrick kelly October 08, 2017 7:30 PM  

There are a handful of quarterbacks you don't want to give a full minute to win the game and Aaron Rodgers has proved once again to be one among them

Blogger Lazarus October 08, 2017 7:36 PM  

I haven't seen a lot of pink this month.

Blogger SemiSpook37 October 08, 2017 7:46 PM  

Well, the Steelers played down to the Jags...again. Not surprised in the least. Roethelisberger says that the game has passed him by after throwing 5 picks, 2 of which were pick-sixes.

I don't think his game is off. Everyone's allowed to have a crap day here and there. I mean, the plus side is they've got the same record as the Patriots.

Pence leaving the Colts game was a bit of an eyebrow raiser, though. Why even go there in the first place? It's not like either of those teams are doing so hot now, anyways.

Blogger Admiral James October 08, 2017 7:48 PM  

Or War movies

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 08, 2017 7:49 PM  

Pence leaving the Colts game was a bit of an eyebrow raiser, though. Why even go there in the first place?

Home state team, also to get up and leave at the appropriate time, kicking the NFL in the kneeler.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 08, 2017 9:25 PM  

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Blogger JaimeInTexas October 08, 2017 9:26 PM  

@45
That was supposed to be NHL.

@48 @51
I am an occasional brewer. You are way ahead of me talking specific hops. I prefer dark beers, bocks, double and tripel. I buy my stuff at DeFalcos in Houston, and get recipes from them. So far they all have been great.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 08, 2017 9:29 PM  

Watching Texans game. Too bad about JJ.

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii October 08, 2017 9:31 PM  

I have been using the time to read.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 08, 2017 9:34 PM  

I am mostly reading too but I got the game on.
Finished There Will Be Was Vol 1 this afternoon. Into Vol 2 now.

Blogger Lazarus October 08, 2017 10:39 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Watching Texans game. Too bad about JJ.

The guy is overdeveloped. Too much stress on the tendons and joints. Bo Jackson destroyed his own hip joint trying to pull out of a tackle. Literally ripped it apart.

Anonymous Andrew E. October 08, 2017 11:09 PM  

Pence leaving the Colts game was a bit of an eyebrow raiser, though. Why even go there in the first place? It's not like either of those teams are doing so hot now, anyway

Just a reminder to all the squishes that nothing has changed and the culture war via the NFL still rages as hot as ever.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 08, 2017 11:22 PM  

There's an article on Zero Hedge about how certain American cities are potentially in dire straits when it comes to unfunded liabilities, one that comes with charts and graphs to back it up as well as a map ...

Zero Hedge -- "Which American cities will file bankruptcy next?"

There are plenty of cities on that list and on that map that spend taxpayer money on what are essentially economic transfers to major sporting leagues.

Why not cut the crap with the NFL and cut the taxpayer funding?

OpenID phenixrising16 October 08, 2017 11:47 PM  

Brent Musburger is badass.

https://twitter.com/brentmusburger/status/917194111727177728

Blogger Lazarus October 08, 2017 11:53 PM  

Just saw a slo-mo of a guy popping his achilles tendon. You could actually see it pop under the sock.

That's gotta be worth a look.

Blogger Lazarus October 09, 2017 12:20 AM  

Dear Mr. Goodel:

Please excuse Odell Jr. from standing for the National Anthem cuz his ankle be busted.

Wassup,

Mama Odell.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 09, 2017 1:40 AM  

Working on the car, got the kid outside doing yard work with the wife, and then we spent the evening topping off a tree with him.

Can't believe how little I miss football. Also, the neighborhood seemed quieter today, not so many house football watching parties as in previous seasons.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2017 2:24 AM  

Aaaaand, tonight someone tweeted a video of Miami's offensive line coach snorting cocaine. That should help the NFL rebuild its patriotic, health-conscious image!

Blogger Freddy October 09, 2017 4:54 AM  

Joe's the GOAT. Brady, a teflon protected bitch.

Anonymous TXVB October 09, 2017 7:52 PM  

SKOL!

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