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Monday, October 30, 2017

Podestagate

Is it... is it beginning?
Tony Podesta stepping down from lobbying giant amid Mueller probe

Podesta announced his decision during a firm-wide meeting Monday morning and is alerting clients of his impending departure. Democratic power lobbyist Tony Podesta, founder of the Podesta Group, is stepping down from the firm that bears his name after coming under investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Podesta announced his decision during a firm-wide meeting Monday morning and is alerting clients of his impending departure.

Podesta is handing over full operational and financial control to longtime firm CEO Kimberley Fritts, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the meeting. Fritts and a senior group of the Podesta team will be launching a new firm in the next one or two days. Sources said the transition has been in the works for the past several months.
Curiouser and curiouser... but /pol/ is always right.
We knew the switch in the narrative from Trump/Russia to Clinton/Russia would take a little time. We had them drop the Uranium One article exactly one week before we would make the first arrests. Couple of days later, we dropped the dossier info. We needed to hammer the train. The first arrests will be Manafort and Tony Podesta. These guys are not the real target, they are just soldiers. The real targets are Hillary, Holder, Rosenstein, and John Podesta. We would love to expose Obama as well but Pres Trump is adamant about protecting former Presidents. Even if they are corrupt pieces of shit, he believes in the dignity of the office. He feels that ruining the legacy of a President will do nothing but hurt our country. This is why both Bush’s., Bill Clinton, Obama, and even LBJ will be spared. The rest of the JFK files released will not include the essential information implicating LBJ and Bush Sr.

This is it. The final moves will take place over the next 4 weeks. They could have let this go. Honestly, Pres Trump wanted to get on with Making America Great Again. Period. But Hillary and the DNC just couldn’t let it go. They asked for this. They kept making up shit and now they’re going to pay. If they kept their heads low and faded in to obscurity, we would not have gone this route. They have no one to blame but themselves.
Keep in mind that was posted two days ago. Who was the first arrest? Who looks to be the second one? Anyhow, we'll see.

UPDATE: Smells rather like... pizza?
Records show that alleged child molester Kevin Spacey flew on the infamous ‘Lolita Express’ – the private jet owned by pedophile Jeffrey Epstein – along with former President Bill Clinton. The revelation has resurfaced in the aftermath of claims by actor Anthony Rapp that Spacey sexually assaulted him when he was a 14-year-old boy after a party at Spacey’s apartment in 1986 when Spacey, then 24, picked up Rapp, placed him on his bed and climbed on top of him.

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Blogger Salt October 30, 2017 3:24 PM  

"5. This is it. The final moves will take place over the next 4 weeks. They could have let this go. Honestly, Pres Trump wanted to get on with Making America Great Again. Period. But Hillary and the DNC just couldn’t let it go. They asked for this. They kept making up shit and now they’re going to pay. If they kept their heads low and faded in to obscurity, we would not have gone this route. They have no one to blame but themselves."

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147017701

Blogger Cetera October 30, 2017 3:25 PM  

God, I hope so. We're still not going to know the whole picture for a long time.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados October 30, 2017 3:33 PM  

The amount of butthurt from the extreme left when this doesn't all go the way they thought it would is going to rival Trump winning the election last year.

Not tired of winning.

Blogger beerme October 30, 2017 3:34 PM  

I'm surprised the Pedobros haven't grabbed their go bags and left the country. An investigation into their personal and professional activities would be disastrous for their associates.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 30, 2017 3:35 PM  

If you replace every reference of "Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort" with "Podesta Group Associate Paul Manafort" , it all makes much more sense.

Manafort was only the campaigns chair for a couple months. His Podesta dealings go back over a decade.

H/t Heartiste

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 30, 2017 3:35 PM  

Manafort was the go between. He connects up Russians with the bogus dossier on Trump and the Clinton crime family via Padesta. Whatever dirt is on Manafort is also on Padesta. Federal prison time? Ditto.

It's too late for Padesta to apologize. That's clear.

Anonymous Susan() October 30, 2017 3:36 PM  

Boy I hope so. Maybe the Podestas will find out that their name isn't as bulletproof as they thought it was. Now today we find out from Netflix that Spacey's series House of Cards is ending as of season 6. They don't want to touch this with a ten foot pole.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 30, 2017 3:37 PM  

Not to mention the connection between the Clinton crime family and games in the Ukraine, again with Padesta playing "Lucky Pierre" - always in the middle.

Blogger SemiSpook37 October 30, 2017 3:49 PM  

@7

Re: Spacey

That pisses me off, as I know of someone working on that show, and while he's definitely not of Spacey's ilk (trust me, I've got stories that prove that first hand), it sucks because it did give him some exposure. Granted, I didn't watch the show, myself, mainly because it didn't interest me, but to see someone affected by this for something that wasn't even his problem, regardless of leanings/beliefs/etc. is in and of itself infuriating. Then again, a lot of these degenerates never take into account 2nd, 3rd, or further order effects when they pull stuff like this.

As for Podesta, the fact that he HAD to make a statement when stepping down only furthers the plot. I mean, I raised my eyebrows last summer when I saw that Manafort had taken over for Lewandowski on the campaign, due to a lot of the stuff Manafort was involved with in the Ukraine. I was not surprised to see the switch to Bannon and Conway at the start of September, again due in part to Manafort's background.

Again, this is a huge miscalculation on the entire Clinton machine. They're going to wish they had just gotten over being butthurt and tried to subvert in a more covert manner before this is all said and done.

Still not tired...

Blogger pyrrhus October 30, 2017 3:53 PM  

Boomerangs can be nasty, couldn't happen to nicer folk...

Anonymous Battlefrog October 30, 2017 3:55 PM  

The only thing I can't wrap my head around is Mueller being in on the HRC/Podesta take down. He's about as Swamp as you can get, and he was involved with Uranium One.

Blogger Rabbi B October 30, 2017 3:57 PM  

The snakes are starting to commit suicide.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 30, 2017 3:58 PM  

Again, this is a huge miscalculation on the entire Clinton machine. They're going to wish they had just gotten over being butthurt and tried to subvert in a more covert manner before this is all said and done.

@9 SemiSpook
It's like the Three Laws of SJW are hard-wired into these progtards.

Anonymous Battlefrog October 30, 2017 4:00 PM  

Battlefrog wrote:The only thing I can't wrap my head around is Mueller being in on the HRC/Podesta take down. He's about as Swamp as you can get, and he was involved with Uranium One.

Just looked at the /pol/ post, and it tried to answer my question:

"Holder kept telling Mueller to kill investigations and bury evidence. I don’t know what you think about Mueller, but I can tell you, he’s an honorable man. The corruption of Holder/Obama/Clinton was eating him up alive. He resigned in 2013 when he just couldn’t keep doing this. Then they got Comey who was coerced in to continuing the coverup."

Seems plausible enough.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 30, 2017 4:01 PM  

The only thing I can't wrap my head around is Mueller being in on the HRC/Podesta take down. He's about as Swamp as you can get, and he was involved with Uranium One.

@11 Battlefrog
FWIW, in the second link in the OP, the writer explained that the reason Mueller quit after two years into his second 10-year term was disgust over the Obunghole administration constantly pressuring him to cover up things. We'll see if it's true. But I was wondering why he did resign.

Blogger Azimus October 30, 2017 4:01 PM  

11. Battlefrog October 30, 2017 3:55 PM
The only thing I can't wrap my head around is Mueller being in on the HRC/Podesta take down. He's about as Swamp as you can get, and he was involved with Uranium One.


Popcorn, popcorn, popcorn.... send in more popcorn!!!

Seriously you can't make this stuff up. I am a bit more cautious about all this than most here - these sorts of things turn on a dime. I guess we just have to wait and see...

Blogger Shimshon October 30, 2017 4:02 PM  

Trump may not want this to go all the way to Obama and the other ex-presidents (which is too bad, but understandable), but given how hated the Clinton machine is, he might not be able to stop the process now that it is unleashed.

Blogger horsewithnonick October 30, 2017 4:03 PM  

What if helping the GE drain the swamp is Mueller's only path out of the swamp that doesn't end in prison? If he helps to Make the Rule of Law Great Again there might be a pardon and peaceful retirement in his future...

Blogger VFM #7634 October 30, 2017 4:04 PM  

Trump may not want this to go all the way to Obama and the other ex-presidents (which is too bad, but understandable), but given how hated the Clinton machine is, he might not be able to stop the process now that it is unleashed.

@17 Shimshon
I think it would be wonderful. It would have both progtards and cuckservatives eating crow for decades.

Blogger Lovekraft October 30, 2017 4:05 PM  

Will be interesting to see the polling of the middle-class women voters in about a month from now, after this has settled in.

I guess I'll have to take letting the previous President off the hook, for respect's sake, but there's still Lynch, Wasserman, Holder that need to be brought to account. This group worked, not on repairing and building America and the West, but on driving wedges, installing bureaucratic minefields, etc.

Then there's McCain...

The Politico comment thread has a few DNC shills trying to deflect, but only gives respondents a chance to clarify the situation.

Best comment (of the hundred or so I read):

"This note is to explain clearly why this is alarming. Say your neighbor hates your guts and compile spurious charges and take it to the police. Now your neighbor is best buddies with the Police Captain so he sides with her and crawl all over you to investigate many imagined crimes. Now when the police finds nothing he targets your freinds and charge them for every possible things they did wrong going by decades. The target of his investiogation at some point can sue all involved for harassment and tarnishing his good name. So the issue is not that HRC collected data but rather she used her political clout to direct the US government agencies to go after her political opponent. This only happens in 3rd world countries and I am amazed how many people see this as normal and try to excuse it."

Anonymous Looking Glass October 30, 2017 4:13 PM  

@11 Battlefrog

Mueller might be compromised as well, but this could be a means to clear his conscience. Or he's willing to get back at the ousted like most people.

@13 VFM #7634

It is, and it also explains so many of the actions by the Left, professional or otherwise. They just assumed that Trump's "skeletons in the closet" would let them destroy him. When it didn't work in the Primary or General Elections, clearly they thought they could get him once President.

Trump's "skeletons" are utterly out in the open. He loves beautiful European Women, but progtards can't get outside their own assumptions to see it. He's in business, they say. He has to be dirty! Really? Why do they assume that? (Well, because that's exactly what *they* would do.)

Blogger John Williams October 30, 2017 4:13 PM  

He's about as Swamp as you can get, and he was involved with Uranium One.
Deals get made all the time.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 30, 2017 4:20 PM  

@20 Lovekraft

As much as I'd love to see the Clintons and all of their circle hang for their crimes, letting Bill & Hillary not get charged is more damning for them. He prevents them from playing martyr. He knows how ill both of them are, and he can force the circle of protection to throw themselves on swords to defend the Clintons. This much better serves to drain the swamp.

Other thing is that the Clintons aren't "kingpins". They're not mafia dons. They're Influence Peddlers. Which means that draining them of their influence is the most damaging to them. If Trump damages their network enough, suddenly other forces will get revenge on the Clintons. To borrow from Batman Begins, Trump won't kill the Clintons, but he doesn't have to save them.

Blogger Shimshon October 30, 2017 4:24 PM  

Regarding Mueller's perhaps change of heart, perhaps this quote from Grosse Point Blank is apt:

Martin Q. Blank: There's a contract out on your life. Believe me. I was hired to kill you, but I'm not going to do it. It's either because I'm in love with your daughter or because I have a newfound respect for life.

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 30, 2017 4:31 PM  

horsewithnonick wrote:What if helping the GE drain the swamp is Mueller's only path out of the swamp that doesn't end in prison? If he helps to Make the Rule of Law Great Again there might be a pardon and peaceful retirement in his future...

Mueller may know his actual *life is on the line as well. If he actually investigates and prosecutes real criminals, then he betrays the DNC/Deep State Swamp. He effectively buys a Clinton necktie. However, because of the info he knows now, and knew before, his life was probably already in danger.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 30, 2017 4:35 PM  

"The real targets are Hillary, Holder, Rosenstein, and John Podesta."

Hillary and Podesta are obvious targets. Rosenstein is not so hard to believe. He's an Obama holdover who was around when Loretta Lynch was AG.

But Holder? Methinks Lynch would be the obvious target because she was AG during the last pivotal year of the Obama presidency. Holder was long gone by then.

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 30, 2017 4:36 PM  

@21 Looking Glass

That's what I always liked about Trump - his blunt honesty.

And the corrupt businessman angle? We are talking about the Left here - the only game they know is corruption and theft. They're puzzled when there are people who aren't weirdo perverts who steal from the tax coffers.

Blogger weka October 30, 2017 4:36 PM  

The Americans are crowing here that this will take out Trump and don't see it hitting Podesta. The spin is Trump is out of control.

The Arkencide rate will increase, or the number of liberals infesting NZ or Israel. Pity both have deportation treaties.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 30, 2017 4:39 PM  

@17  He may be waiting for a Trumpist Congress to be elected and do it for him.

Anonymous Sam thr Man October 30, 2017 4:42 PM  

Holder is easy:

he lied before congress on the "fast and furious" investigation, denying he knew anything about it when the memos show he did.

I am sure a good prosecutor could come up with more than perjury, perhaps obstruction of justice and conspiracy to ..blah, blah, blah....

There is not statue of limitations for murder. A federal agent died.

Anonymous Tipsy October 30, 2017 4:43 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@11 Battlefrog
Mueller might be compromised as well, but this could be a means to clear his conscience. Or he's willing to get back at the ousted like most people.


According to /pol/, Mueller is compromised, and Bannon, who knew this, brought him in to meet with Trump, who in turn promised to pardon Mueller of any crime if he did his honest best to drain the Podesta end of the swamp. Not sure I buy it, but a guy can hope, can't he?

Blogger Robert Divinity October 30, 2017 4:45 PM  

He's about as Swamp as you can get, and he was involved with Uranium One.

It's actually a good strategy on Mueller's part. He might be able to skate on Uranium One if he sinks the principals.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 30, 2017 4:51 PM  

OT:  George Cloony's latest anti-White film grosses just $1400 per screen its first weekend.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/clooneys-suburbicon-tanks-saw-sequel-162341903.html

Still not tired.

Anonymous Tipsy October 30, 2017 4:54 PM  

Tipsy wrote:According to /pol/, ...

BTW, this bit of information is not from the link above, but from (Levi Smith's) PolNewsForever post that dates a few months back. Unfortunately, Twitter has airbrushed Levi Smith out of existence, and there is no longer any brave soul who'll plumb the sordid depths of boards.4chan.org/pol/ for these gems.

Anonymous Crew October 30, 2017 4:54 PM  

Since the swamp denizens undoubtedly monitor places like /pol, either:

1. We will see more deaths in the next week or so, including attempts on Mueller, or
2. They posted that in /pol to put people off the trail, but why?

I expect to see more nail-gun suicides.

Anonymous Avalanche October 30, 2017 4:55 PM  

Sheesh. From /pol/: "Holder kept telling Mueller to kill investigations and bury evidence. I don’t know what you think about Mueller, but I can tell you, he’s an honorable man. The corruption of Holder/Obama/Clinton was eating him up alive. He resigned in 2013 when he just couldn’t keep doing this. Then they got Comey who was coerced in to continuing the coverup."

How is this ANY different from all the Hollywoodies saying "yes of COURSE we knew, but we never SAID anything!" This tidbit is saying Mueller was DOING DISHONORABLE THINGS "until" he couldn't stand it anymore. Then he quit and SHUT UP!

Uh, where does anyone see any HONOR is that?! He has not said a SINGLE word since 2013?! But he's an 'honorable' man?! NOT in my book!

And then Comey played along, but he too is somehow "honorable" -- EVEN AS he lied and subverted and let them RAPE THIS COUNTRY?!!? And he has NEVER said a thing during or after -- or NOW?!

Nope, NO honor there -- none at all!

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 30, 2017 4:58 PM  

@35 Crew

Or barbells falling, muggings, jogging accidents, cell phone brain cancer, swimming mishap...

Blogger Lazarus October 30, 2017 5:02 PM  

Speaking of things getting more interesting:

The US captured one of the terrorists who attacked the American embassy in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012, US officials said Monday.

According to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the man was captured in Libya and was being brought back to the US, AP reported.

US Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and three other Americans were murdered in the terrorist attack on the embassy.

US President Donald Trump reportedly approved the operation to capture the terrorist, which was carried out in cooperation with the Libyan government.

Anonymous Avalanche October 30, 2017 5:04 PM  

OP: "Pres Trump is adamant about protecting former Presidents. Even if they are corrupt pieces of shit, he believes in the dignity of the office. He feels that ruining the legacy of a President will do nothing but hurt our country."

President Trump is wrong. He is 100% completely and forever wrong. What he is doing is saying: (gee, like Nixon) "well, it's LEGAL if the prez does it"! So, suddenly waterboarding isn't torture, and flagrantly illegal handling handling of classified material that results in DEATHS is legal if the pres does it, or approves it, or covers for it. NORMAL people will get cut to shreds and disappeared; The PRESIDENT gets a PASS! Wrong wrong WRONG!!!

The OFFICE has dignity -- if it occupant is a lying, race-baiting, piece of flaming shit -- HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL!! NO passes for pols!

It hurts our country for the world -- and especially for Americans -- to see that: "YES, as a matter of fact, the higher pols ARE above the law. Now shut up, you peons, and pay more taxes!"

This is WRONG!

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 5:10 PM  

I've got that screencap saved too. It rings true, especially the bit about Trump wanting to leave the ex-presidents alone out of respect for the office (personally, I disagree). So far so good. It also matches up with what the anon we call Meg has been saying. Another arrest or two should make it obvious to everyone what's going on -- well, maybe not Keith Olbermann.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 30, 2017 5:10 PM  

@38 Lazarus
According to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the man was captured in Libya and was being brought back to the US, AP reported.

Now we'll find out which movie drove him to attack the embassy. About time, too.

Anonymous Edgar Kacey October 30, 2017 5:10 PM  

Nurse! Come change Avalanche's diaper; he just let loose a pantload.

Anonymous Avalanche October 30, 2017 5:10 PM  

@26 "But Holder?... Holder was long gone by then."

Fast and Furious. A DEAD American border patrol agent by HIS hand! AND a bunch of American FFLs forced to break the law to stay in biz by breaking the law selling guns-for-the-govt!

Furious alright! I'd like to see Holder dumped in a mexi prison.

Blogger Azimus October 30, 2017 5:10 PM  

36. Avalanche October 30, 2017 4:55 PM
Uh, where does anyone see any HONOR is that?! He has not said a SINGLE word since 2013?! But he's an 'honorable' man?! NOT in my book!


I don't have a horse in this race, but if what is about to happen is what people on this blog think is about to happen, I suggest he may know a little better how to play this game than you do. The Weinstein Affair should demonstrate that screaming that the fix is in to the high heavens accomplishes exactly zero - ref. General Michael Flynn and how he "turned wacky" about "conspiracy theories." I don't know if Mueller is or is not acting on the side of truth - a lot of this same stuff was said about Comey - but I can tell you - he knows the game much better than you or I.

Anonymous Pissed Off Teacher October 30, 2017 5:18 PM  

I want to believe this, but I'm not 100% convinced.

The conventional wisdom is that George Papadopoulos has been 'flipped' in order not only to provide potential leads for Mueller but also make the fear of being charged with perjury that much more potent for suspects going forward. The /pol OP doesn't mention Padadopoulos, but Mueller revealing that he's already charged him is quite significant. It could all be misdirection at this point. Who knows?

That Tony Podesta's under investigation is, quite frankly, surprising. And encouraging. Clearly, there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. I hope Vox is right. (And, let's face it, I'm not inclined to argue with him.) I'm just not seeing how all the pieces fit just yet.

Anonymous Crew October 30, 2017 5:24 PM  

National Review says it a lot of noise with little meaning:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453244/manafort-indictment-no-signs-trump-russia-collusion

Anonymous Avalanche October 30, 2017 5:26 PM  

@44 The fact that he 'plays the game' has nothing to do with him being (described as) "honorable" -- which is what I object so strongly to! (By the way Edgar -- Avalanche is "she" not "he" -- guess you're real new here.)

(Two years! of) Covering up crimes; going along with Holder's lying, cheating, and lawbreaking is in NO way honorable. What has Mueller done since 2013 to try to STOP the lawbreaking, the deaths caused by intentional mishandling of classified material, the covering up, the corruption? There is nothing "honorable" there; and I object to anyone describing it so.

Yes, he was put in a really tough spot. I felt very sorry for the admirals and generals when they were ordered to send our young folks to go DIE in stupid illegal non-wars we had no business or reason of our own to be in -- and instead of standing up and falling on their swords to say: "NO, this is wrong! No more wars for israel!" They mumbled and grumbled and fell in line -- cause hell, (for the most part) not THEIR kids being maimed and killed! And I felt bad for them because even if they HAD fallen on their swords (and given up their pensions), those kids would still have been sent to their deaths for purposes NOT our own.

But, if folks here are gonna castigate COPS for preferring their pensions to a stupid senseless death rushing a hotel room or policing savages; then why no castigation for Mueller for going after HIS pension instead of his honor?!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 30, 2017 5:29 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@44 The fact that he 'plays the game' has nothing to do with him being (described as) "honorable" -- which is what I object so strongly to! (By the way Edgar -- Avalanche is "she" not "he" -- guess you're real new here.)

(Two years! of) Covering up crimes; going along with Holder's lying, cheating, and lawbreaking is in NO way honorable. What has Mueller done since 2013 to try to STOP the lawbreaking, the deaths caused by intentional mishandling of classified material, the covering up, the corruption? There is nothing "honorable" there; and I object to anyone describing it so.

Yes, he was put in a really tough spot. I felt very sorry for the admirals and generals when they were ordered to send our young folks to go DIE in stupid illegal non-wars we had no business or reason of our own to be in -- and instead of standing up and falling on their swords to say: "NO, this is wrong! No more wars for israel!" They mumbled and grumbled and fell in line -- cause hell, (for the most part) not THEIR kids being maimed and killed! And I felt bad for them because even if they HAD fallen on their swords (and given up their pensions), those kids would still have been sent to their deaths for purposes NOT our own.

But, if folks here are gonna castigate COPS for preferring their pensions to a stupid senseless death rushing a hotel room or policing savages; then why no castigation for Mueller for going after HIS pension instead of his honor?!


General Kelly's son absolutely was killed in Iraq. There is a warrior caste in this country.

Blogger Azimus October 30, 2017 5:34 PM  

@47. You have valid points, certainly. I'm just suggesting that it is possible the debt/deficit of honor is about to be repaid, and redemption achieved. All talk and conjecture at this point, but if it comes to fruition I am prepared to forgive.

Anonymous greywar October 30, 2017 5:41 PM  

While interesting, that /pol/ excerpt reads the same way that the NESARA/Dinar guru predictions do...

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 5:44 PM  

National Review: manafort-indictment-no-signs-trump-russia-collusion

That must have really hurt them to write.

not 100% convinced.

Maybe this will help: Louise Mensch tweeted yesterday that there were multiple sealed indictments on Trump. Place your bets accordingly.

By the way, I think the anon overstates Mueller's honor. He might be as dirty as they come. But that doesn't matter. What matters is that Mueller oversaw huge coverups of Clinton/Obama crimes at the FBI, and there are Congressional investigations breathing down his neck on that. More importantly, Trump knew that when he was appointed. He doesn't have a choice; he has to play this by the book if he wants a deal for himself -- and time is running out.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 30, 2017 5:50 PM  

@38 Lazarus

Reminds me, we still have some Iran Republican Guard members around that killed our Marines in Lebanon. Pity if they happen to have an accident, which should have happened 30 years ago.

As to Obama & Clinton, I said up thread that leaving them to wither and die is far worse than throwing them in prison. There's a lot of people that voted for all 3, and they'll take criminal charges as a very bad precedent. Or, more likely, as something they'll do at every opportunity.

Making them look like jokes, and us writing the history about how pathetic they were as Presidents in light of the G-E, will do far more damage to them. And it's damage that can't be recovered. They were weighed, measured and found wanting. Let the demons consume them, and if they do something stupid, later, that they can't avoid punishment for.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 30, 2017 5:51 PM  

@51 Cail Corishev

Everyone assumed the "club" would cover for each other. No one expected the Trumpian Inquisition.

Anonymous Conspiracy nut October 30, 2017 5:54 PM  

Do you ever go back and apologize when you're completely wrong?

Do you ever say, "Sorry, that conspiracy theory I peddled was nutso. I, Ted Beale, am just dumb to follow them all?"

Just curious.

Anonymous patrick kelly October 30, 2017 5:57 PM  

Never going to indict and prosecute a former POTUS for anything they did in office *if they were not impeached and removed from office*. Not going to happen.

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 5:59 PM  

Avalanche wrote:OP: "Pres Trump is adamant about protecting former Presidents. Even if they are corrupt pieces of shit, he believes in the dignity of the office. He feels that ruining the legacy of a President will do nothing but hurt our country."

President Trump is wrong. He is 100% completely and forever wrong. What he is doing is saying: (gee, like Nixon) "well, it's LEGAL if the prez does it"! So, suddenly waterboarding isn't torture, and flagrantly illegal handling handling of classified material that results in DEATHS is legal if the pres does it, or approves it, or covers for it. NORMAL people will get cut to shreds and disappeared; The PRESIDENT gets a PASS! Wrong wrong WRONG!!!

The OFFICE has dignity -- if it occupant is a lying, race-baiting, piece of flaming shit -- HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL!! NO passes for pols!

It hurts our country for the world -- and especially for Americans -- to see that: "YES, as a matter of fact, the higher pols ARE above the law. Now shut up, you peons, and pay more taxes!"

This is WRONG!


No, it isn't.

Look at the big picture. If former Presidents can be charged with crimes While in Office, it ups the stakes of leaving office too much. Right now you can leave office and hope your party wins again in 4 years. If Presidents can be charged, the only way you could leave office would become feet-first. the Corruption involved with changing office and 'keeping your party in power' would make Argentina's political practices look like Kindergarten.

No, Trump is smart to do this. Exposing Obama, Bill, and Dubya will more than work to destroy them. But setting a precedent where every new president Jails the old one, while emotionally satisfying, would destroy the country more thoroughly than the Libs and Elites could ever accomplish... They'd love it, even if it was a temporary setback.

Anonymous Causal Lurker October 30, 2017 6:03 PM  

weka, sorry about the liberals; boorish guests. Send them out on a long tramp to find the wild pigs. Send them again if necessary.

About some people:" Even if they are corrupt pieces of shit, he believes in the dignity of the office. He feels that ruining the legacy of a President ..." is best left until some incontrovertible piece of evidence pops out, and proves to the public that they destroyed the dignity of the office, and restoring said dignity will call for atonement: prosecution and prison time.

The absurd outcome would be the rehabilitation of Richard Nixon. One third rate burglary and bungled cover-up, vs. HOW many nefarious deeds? He would look clean by comparison.

Anonymous Think October 30, 2017 6:03 PM  

@56 By that logic, you should also not go after a former president's family.

You don't have to be right, but try to be consistent.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 6:11 PM  

No one expected the Trumpian Inquisition.

Well, who could expect that a pampered, uneducated, disinterested, unqualified, hedonistic lunatic would be paying attention, let alone have a plan that they couldn't see coming a mile away? I mean, really, there was no need even to consider such a possibility. Still isn't! The Greek guy whose name we never heard before today will save us!

Anonymous BBGKB October 30, 2017 6:14 PM  

The amount of butthurt from the extreme left when this doesn't all go the way they thought it would is going to rival Trump winning

Shitlibs think TRUMP is actually going down with this investigation.

I'm surprised the Pedobros haven't grabbed their go bags and left the country. An investigation into their personal

Where would they go? They are too soft to rough it in harsh conditions.

But setting a precedent where every new president Jails the old one, while emotionally satisfying

Perhaps just a helicopter ride?

Anonymous Haxo Angmaerk October 30, 2017 6:15 PM  

a few little fish...might...fry.

all the sharks (Obama, Holder, Clinton&Clinton, J.Podesta, Trump) will swim away.

"why Trump?", you ask...

because 4 visits to Epstein's Pedo Island.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 30, 2017 6:19 PM  

Oooo! Look! The poop lying about Trump and Epstein's relationship! Must be flying right over the target with this post, Vox!

Blogger J Van Stry October 30, 2017 6:20 PM  

Democrats don't go to jail. They just don't. I honestly don't believe anything is going to happen to Podesta. Or any other dem.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 30, 2017 6:22 PM  

Warning! Don't click on the Poop's name! Profile is NOT safe for work!

Anonymous Looking Glass October 30, 2017 6:26 PM  

@64 Emmanuel Mateo-Morales

The paid shills have been out in force today, but they're so swamped for topics. They're trying to downplay Kevin Spacey while they can't understand why we're happy about Manafort's indictment. The poop doesn't realize we're better informed than they are, haha.

Anonymous Cracker October 30, 2017 6:29 PM  

“The amount of butthurt from the extreme left when this doesn't all go the way they thought it would is going to rival Trump winning the election last year.“

The first 3 indictments are all Trump minions. Although one turned states evidence (he he he). All the next three and the next three after that will be too. Why? Cause the all lied about their work with the Russians.

Bad day for the Trumpettes.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy October 30, 2017 6:31 PM  

The fix is in. Hill gets a small scandal, and three Trump people get smacked by Muller ASAP. Same Muller who had Manafort's wife sexually assaulted during predawn no knock. Judges for these cases? Obama loyalists.

I now think there is a 70% chance either 1) the lawfully elected president suffers a strange heart attack while in the presence of just Obama appointed Secret Service managers; or 2) a strange van accident kills the president and Ivanka. Either 1 or 2 will be fully investigated by a panel of Bush, Clinton, and Obama and found totally clean.

Blogger tuberman October 30, 2017 6:38 PM  

TheLiberatorOfBados wrote:The amount of butthurt from the extreme left when this doesn't all go the way they thought it would is going to rival Trump winning the election last year.

Not tired of winning.


This will be worse: Puking, physical breakdowns, and mental collapses... their anti-anxiety drugs will fail them.

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 6:41 PM  

OT:

Is this legit?

http://theredelephants.com/nationwide-antifa-terror-attack-11-4-17/

If so, I may have to switch from my emergency piece to my workhorse Sidearm. Not as concealable, but no one can claim that they didn't know about it.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 30, 2017 6:44 PM  

@69

Yes. It's been well known for weeks if not months by now that Antifa is planning massive nation wide protests at or around that general time period.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents October 30, 2017 6:45 PM  

@69 Dire Badger

Dude, carry something in a caliber that begins with the number "4" and have more than one spare mag.
Every. Single. Day.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 30, 2017 6:47 PM  

Trump can fire Mueller anytime he wants to. He's consistently shown that he has no reservations about firing someone under circumstances the media considers controversial. So it stands to reason that Mueller is carrying out Trump's orders, otherwise Mueller would have been axed already.

But it doesn't make sense to me for Rosenstein to be a target of the investigation since he's the one who commissioned Mueller. If anon is correct, Rosenstein has been epically played.

Blogger Jack Ward October 30, 2017 6:48 PM  

@67 Lawyer Guy:
If all you said happened there's not telling where the civil war will lead. That there will be one, under those circumstances, is a given.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 30, 2017 6:50 PM  

@71

https://www.infowars.com/civil-war-alt-left-plans-anti-trump-riots-in-major-cities-on-november-4/

http://revcom.us/a/503/andy-zee-presentation-at-refuse-fascism-august-5-en.html

Blogger tublecane October 30, 2017 6:52 PM  

@17-After Watergate, I don't see the point in sacrificing justice for the dignity of the office. If it has unique dignity remaining.

That would be yet another example of us tying our hands over something our enemies are gleefully willing to exploit.

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 6:53 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents wrote:@69 Dire Badger

Dude, carry something in a caliber that begins with the number "4" and have more than one spare mag.

Every. Single. Day.

I doubt very much that antifags will need more stopping power than a Bellum. And while Open Carry is more-or-less legal where I live, Something too big for a shoulder holster draws too much attention.

But I do know that anyone knocking on MY door on the fourth, unless I know them or they are wearing 'missionary' nametags, is probably going to have to change their pants.

Blogger tublecane October 30, 2017 6:56 PM  

@20-"This only happens in 3rd world countries"

Pfft. Tell that to all the many men hounded out of office for political as much as legal reasons. From Nixon on down.

That line, I'm convinced, is just something people say so it won't snap back on their side. (Or they say it out of ignorance, of course.)

Blogger Ceasar October 30, 2017 6:58 PM  

Just one problem. If you go after Hillary, you are also going after Bill. The Clinton machine will circle the wagons and fight until the end. Not to mention that Hillary will use everything they have on the Bush family to join the fight. There is a reason why those two families "like each other". Its because they both have the goods on each other.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 7:02 PM  

Is this legit?

Maybe. Yes, they've been planning and bragging about it for a while. If it's just the usual Antifa and friends, presumably it'll amount to little more than some property damage in liberal enclaves, as long as regular Americans don't go out and get in the way. If it's something more serious, funded by Soros's recent transfer of $18B to his foundation.... It's probably a good time to be watching your back.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 7:03 PM  

Hillary will use everything they have on the Bush family to join the fight.

Bonus.

Blogger Darwinite October 30, 2017 7:04 PM  

@41 "Now we'll find out which movie drove him to attack the embassy. About time, too."
That reminds me, I hope Vox is ready for when they try to blame a school shooting on Alt*Hero.

Anonymous MaskettaMan October 30, 2017 7:14 PM  

Avalanche wrote:

Uh, where does anyone see any HONOR is that?! He has not said a SINGLE word since 2013?! But he's an 'honorable' man?! NOT in my book!


Depends on whether shutting up for so long aided him in going undercover. If he finally surfaces with a pristine pearl clutched in his hand, can you really fault him?

Blogger tublecane October 30, 2017 7:17 PM  

@21-About skeletons in the closet, I realize projection is at work. But there are so dang many laws that even if Trump were an angel he could run afoul of them. It's not unreasonable to assume you can get him on something. That's anarcho-tyranny.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 30, 2017 7:21 PM  

BBGKB wrote:But setting a precedent where every new president Jails the old one, while emotionally satisfying

Perhaps just a helicopter ride?


While emotionally satisfying ...

As someone else already said, after the first ex-president goes to jail for his policy mistakes/crimes, there will never be another living ex-president: the future presidents will be killed in office by their successors, because none will be stupid enough to peacefully hand over power and go directly to jail.

It's not about ``dignity of the office'' - we let them go free so we can go on having elections. If you're ready to transition from our current system to President-for-Life/King, we can start the helicopter rides. If Trump were younger than me, I'd be tempted.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 30, 2017 7:24 PM  

MaskettaMan wrote:Avalanche wrote:

Uh, where does anyone see any HONOR is that?! He has not said a SINGLE word since 2013?! But he's an 'honorable' man?! NOT in my book!


Depends on whether shutting up for so long aided him in going undercover. If he finally surfaces with a pristine pearl clutched in his hand, can you really fault him?


Honor seems like an unlikely motivator, as Avalanche said earlier. Mueller is probably a cornered rat, turning on his partners in crime to stay out of jail. This is OK with me, since a cornered rat is likely to be far more effective than an honorable gentle-cuck.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 30, 2017 7:26 PM  

@81

Oh boy. Why did it take your comment to make me think of that so obvious attack vector just now?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 30, 2017 7:31 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents wrote:@69 Dire Badger

Dude, carry something in a caliber that begins with the number "4" and have more than one spare mag.

Every. Single. Day.


My Sig P227 holds fourteen 45ACPs. That's the same as a 1911 with two magazines. Life is good.

Given how common body armor is getting, we should be practicing head shots. Parabellum is probably peachy for head shots, so the old ``anything that starts with a 4'' won't matter so much any more. Or just fall back on the FAL or the Garand, and shoot through the armor.

Blogger James Dixon October 30, 2017 7:35 PM  

> There is not statue of limitations for murder. A federal agent died.

Exactly. For some people, it's personal.

> I want to believe this, but I'm not 100% convinced.

Good. It's Internet chatter. You shouldn't believe it. It may, however, give you cause for hope.

> Do you ever go back and apologize when you're completely wrong?

You seem to have a problem understanding basic English. And the answer is, yes, he does. When he's the one making the prediction.

> I honestly don't believe anything is going to happen to Podesta. Or any other dem.

That depends entirely on how close it gets to the Clintons, now doesn't it?

Anonymous Precious October 30, 2017 7:40 PM  

I don't see how it is possible for Hillary Clinton to go to jail while her husband stays out. She would rat on him and drag him down with her.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 7:43 PM  

By the way, the Wikipedia editors have been furiously editing Paul Manafort's page today, trying to add every tiny factoid they can come up with that might tie him to Trump and/or Russia. And at some point, they removed the fact that he advised McCain's 2008 campaign. Huh, wonder why they did that?

Blogger artensoll October 30, 2017 7:44 PM  

11. Battlefrog: "The only thing I can't wrap my head around is Mueller being in on the HRC/Podesta take down. He's about as Swamp as you can get, and he was involved with Uranium One."

A theory being promulgated on Twitter a week or so ago was that Trump flipped Meuller in order to carry out a sneak attack on HRC et al. He had to have all his ducks in a row to shoot them down, so to speak. It had to be someone they knew to be dirty in charge of the investigation so they would feel safe.

Honestly, as an outsider, I am watching your President with awe. I think he might have been planning this for a very long time.

Blogger LonestarWhacko October 30, 2017 7:45 PM  

Hillary would suffer some sort of accidental "arkancide". She knows too much, and can't keep her mouth shut.

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 7:47 PM  

Precious wrote:I don't see how it is possible for Hillary Clinton to go to jail while her husband stays out. She would rat on him and drag him down with her.

And I suspect strongly that they will get a presidential Pardon. Sure, on a visceral level it would be unsatisfying, but for Trump it would brilliantly both prevent martyrdom and destroy the Liberal power base.

A lot of people would find it difficult to continue to believe someone who would make such a magnanimous gesture is the monster he is painted as. Sure, it would make the hard core left crow and make victory dances, but they are nothing without the popular support of the sheep.

Blogger Lovekraft October 30, 2017 7:47 PM  

Talk about doubling down. Some U.S. election ad showing good ol' boys in their pickup truck running down minorities.

Comments disabled, and am not sure this is satire (source: Gateway Pundit).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYb2ZiQzL4M

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 30, 2017 7:50 PM  

@94

Yes. Hadjis have been caught doing this literally for years now, running down OTHER MINORITIES even, but let's blame Bubba and Uncle Jim Bob for all the car/truck attack.

The helicopter rides can't come soon enough.

Blogger dienw October 30, 2017 7:52 PM  

The absurd outcome would be the rehabilitation of Richard Nixon. One third rate burglary and bungled cover-up, vs. HOW many nefarious deeds? He would look clean by comparison.

It may have already begun: when the statement was made that the Vegas hotel security system was set to detect doors left open or ajar, that immediately raised the question, "If this type of security is present in major hotels, is it possible that this sort of system has been around for decades, even in the sixties; if so, did the Watergate being a high power hotel have a similar system?"

Anonymous JAG October 30, 2017 7:54 PM  

The one thing I disagree here with if this is all true is letting former Presidents off the hook. They should not be above the law. If LBJ and Bush Sr. were involved in having JFK assassinated we need to know.

Also, I think they would be protecting Obama from the revelation that he was not only never eligible to be POTUS, but not even a legal citizen as per my prediction. I believe they all already know this in Washington on both sides of the aisle.

This will not harm the Presidency, it will make it stronger to show that even left-wing Presidents can be brought to justice for crimes in office.

Blogger tublecane October 30, 2017 7:55 PM  

@84-"the future presidents will be killed in office by their successors, because none will be stupid enough to peacefully hand over power and go directly to jail"

Hate to interrupt the exciting thriller it sounds like you have playing inside your head, but we've already more or less lived in this world, and the obvious solution is already there. It's the Nixon solution: resign and get pardoned by your successor. (Just make sure you can trust your VP.)

He didn't go to jail, so we haven't had that precedent. But unless he got Gerry's pardon he was going to, which he must have known.

So many people on this thread talk as if Watergate never happened. It did, and nevertheless presidential elections continued. Somehow, presidents--even pre-despised Republican ones--still voluntarily assumed office.

Blogger tublecane October 30, 2017 7:57 PM  

@92-In her case, at least, it wouldn't be too suspicious. A hidden benefit of all those horrible "fake news" stories about her health.

Blogger Lovekraft October 30, 2017 7:58 PM  

re Obama's 'legacy.'

It doesn't matter if he was brought up on charges and convicted, or if he is tarred by association.

The narrative is what we are fighting for. If we end up as blood-thirsty and vengeful, while getting 'justice', it could very well backfire on us down the road.

Sometimes it is wise to dole out mercy along with the condemnation.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 8:01 PM  

Here's a really fun notion. We were all pissed about Sessions recusing himself, right? People (not I) have been calling him a coward and a swamp creature ever since. But now that the Left is realizing things are going sideways and starting to suggest Mueller should be removed for conflict of interest, Sessions can't do it. They're trying to spook or trigger Trump into doing it, but he won't bite. They've floated the idea that he could fire Sessions, appoint a new AG, and have the new AG fire Mueller, but then they'd all scream impeachment to the heavens. So the only person who can fire Mueller is this Rosenstein guy, but Rosenstein is elbow-deep in the Uranium One stuff right along with Mueller. He's not going to fire Mueller and be left holding that bag. So -- largely because of the recusal -- Trump and Sessions are powerless, and can only shrug and say, "Hey, we can't stop him. You guys demanded him."

I'm not fully convinced they did the recusal for that reason, but if they did, I'm thoroughly impressed.

Blogger tublecane October 30, 2017 8:02 PM  

@97-If Obama was ineligible for office, that would not only hurt the dignity of the office, but throw into doubt his every action as president. Which actually could lead to chaos. Certainly judges would have their hands full. So I could see a rationale for suppressing it.

Much more convincing than the "we'll suddenly turn into the Roman republic in the time of Caesar" argument.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 8:04 PM  

presidential Pardon.

Refresh my memory: during the campaign, when he was saying "Build The Wall" and "Drain The Swamp," did he also say "Let Her Off" or "Lock Her Up"?

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 8:09 PM  

I was responding to the comment of 'dragging bill down with her'

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 8:19 PM  

"Nonsense remains nonsense even when stated by famous scientists"
-Lennox

Anonymous Crew October 30, 2017 8:20 PM  

@90: Ummm, the current Wiki page shows this in the intro:

Paul John Manafort Jr. (born April 1, 1949)[1] is an American lobbyist, political consultant and lawyer. He joined Donald Trump's presidential campaign team in March 2016 and served as campaign manager from June to August 2016. He was previously an adviser to the U.S. presidential campaigns of Republicans Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and Bob Dole.

It sure looks to me like a reasonable expansion of the page that is on @infogalacic and I will probably pull it over and expand it. They did eliminate refs to his involvement on GW Bush's campaign but can add those back.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 30, 2017 8:22 PM  

Both Clintons are not in good health. Probably on doctor-meds. If one of them were to stroke out, grief might take the other one real fast. If there was a chance of them talking too much about the details of their Foundation that might happen. It'd be a shame and a big, big funeral & media retrospective would be in order. Plus naming some things after them.

Like Mena airport, rename it Clinton International.

Anonymous JAG October 30, 2017 8:23 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:re Obama's 'legacy.'

It doesn't matter if he was brought up on charges and convicted, or if he is tarred by association.

The narrative is what we are fighting for. If we end up as blood-thirsty and vengeful, while getting 'justice', it could very well backfire on us down the road.

Sometimes it is wise to dole out mercy along with the condemnation.


This is cuck thinking. The left would not hesitate to go after ex Republican POTUS's if they knew they could put them away,a nd had the proof.

Blogger Lazarus October 30, 2017 8:24 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Both Clintons are not in good health. Probably on doctor-meds. If one of them were to stroke out, grief might take the other one real fast.

Grief or relief?

Anonymous JAG October 30, 2017 8:25 PM  

tublecane wrote:@97-If Obama was ineligible for office, that would not only hurt the dignity of the office, but throw into doubt his every action as president. Which actually could lead to chaos. Certainly judges would have their hands full. So I could see a rationale for suppressing it.

Much more convincing than the "we'll suddenly turn into the Roman republic in the time of Caesar" argument.


More cuck thinking.

Stop being cowards, and get in to win this damn war. I don't care what the fallout is from proper justice being meted out.

Blogger Lazarus October 30, 2017 8:28 PM  

DANZIG WITH THE STARS: "yadda yadda yadda"

Spooner's get revved up for halloween....ye hah!

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 30, 2017 8:30 PM  

@78  There isn't enough popcorn for that.

@79  I hope the next step is to RICO that foundation and seize every penny.  Hit them where it REALLY hurts.

@94  Having nightmares of something that exists only in libtard imaginations.  It's not satire, it's libtard self-delusion.  Americans are increasingly seeing through this stuff, and coming to hate its makers.

@97  If Zero is shown to have been ineligible to hold office, it allows reversal of EVERYTHING he did.  That includes every hire, appointment, judicial nomination and even signature of every bill that did not pass by a veto-proof majority.  Obamacare is just the tip of that massive iceberg.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 30, 2017 8:34 PM  

@113 Mr. Rational
If Zero is shown to have been ineligible to hold office, it allows reversal of EVERYTHING he did. That includes every hire, appointment, judicial nomination and even signature of every bill that did not pass by a veto-proof majority.

Also known as a Constitutional crisis.

Blogger Lazarus October 30, 2017 8:35 PM  

JAG wrote:Stop being cowards, and get in to win this damn war. I don't care what the fallout is from proper justice being meted out.

That would be ok if the justice system was not corrupt, which it is.

Maybe the Congress could censure POTUS?

If it was not corrupt, for instance.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 30, 2017 8:35 PM  

Oh my goodness, is that a ray of sunlight? Wow, if Trump drains the Swamp, he will have restored my faith in the Republic. To be honest, I imagined it would require a Civil War. But now I wonder, maybe not?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 30, 2017 8:36 PM  

@110 Lazarus.


Grief or relief?


Oh, grief. For sure. Cover of People, front page Carlos Slim blog level grief. Absolutely grief. For sure.

Blogger James Dixon October 30, 2017 8:45 PM  

> It's not about ``dignity of the office'' - we let them go free so we can go on having elections.

I'm not sure that deal holds much longer, regardless of what happens. I'm certain it wouldn't have held if Hillary had been elected and had served her full two terms.

> Also, I think they would be protecting Obama from the revelation that he was not only never eligible to be POTUS, but not even a legal citizen as per my prediction.

There may be a reason Obama has been quieter than expected.

Anonymous Tipsy October 30, 2017 8:50 PM  

JAG wrote:The one thing I disagree here with if this is all true is letting former Presidents off the hook. They should not be above the law. If LBJ and Bush Sr. were involved in having JFK assassinated we need to know.

Also, I think they would be protecting Obama from the revelation that he was not only never eligible to be POTUS, but not even a legal citizen as per my prediction. I believe they all already know this in Washington on both sides of the aisle.

This will not harm the Presidency, it will make it stronger to show that even left-wing Presidents can be brought to justice for crimes in office.


I'm not sure whether or not it will help or harm the presidency, but either way, I don't care. I want the culture of lies to be upended. Is it too much to ask for the truth?

Anonymous BBGKB October 30, 2017 8:50 PM  

Talk about doubling down. Some U.S. election ad showing good ol' boys in their pickup truck running down minorities

Well I would vote for that guy. Mooshell Obama wishes xe could have encouraged black/wetbacks to get up and move like that.

Dude, carry something in a caliber that begins with the number "4" and have more than one spare mag

The only handguns that take 410 shotshells are revolvers.

If we end up as blood-thirsty and vengeful, while getting 'justice', it could very well backfire on us down the road.

I keep forgetting which side has the trillion rounds of ammo and which doesn't know which bathroom to use?

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 8:53 PM  

Meng Greenleaf wrote:Oh my goodness, is that a ray of sunlight? Wow, if Trump drains the Swamp, he will have restored my faith in the Republic. To be honest, I imagined it would require a Civil War. But now I wonder, maybe not?

Last Year I wanted nothing more than to burn it all. Whatever else Trump has accomplished, at least in my case, he has restored hope that someday maybe America will be a place for my children to have a future.

Hell, he's turned me Christian, almost. It really feels like a miracle, even to people who don't believe in miracles.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 30, 2017 9:06 PM  

Refresh my memory: during the campaign, when he was saying "Build The Wall" and "Drain The Swamp," did he also say "Let Her Off" or "Lock Her Up"?

@103 Cail Corishev
"'Cause you'd be in jail."

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 9:12 PM  

Whoah...you mean Trump actually uses rhetoric? I am shocked, I tell you... shocked!

Anonymous Causal Lurker October 30, 2017 9:18 PM  

Dire Badger and Cail,

Maybe not a Presidential Pardon. On the gripping hand, they could get the booby prize of clemency and commutation of sentence, leaving convictions on their records for the rest of their unnatural lives. This places a big cloud on the Princess Bribe's future, too, and helps corrode the plan for dynastic inheritance.

The Left started this because Nixon took the Pink Lady out, back in the '50s. They never forgot, 1960 was the first installment, and Watergate was the big payback. This morphed into the Politics of Personal Destruction, because "we hate all of you." They have a mountain of accumulated interest to pay.

Bring the flamethrower to a gunfight, for once.

Anonymous Tipsy October 30, 2017 9:32 PM  

Just for clarity: The Pink Lady was the communist infiltrator and left-wing bien pensant Alger Hiss.

Blogger haus frau October 30, 2017 9:42 PM  

Sort of off-topic but here's a big hint that more nasty stuff about Kevin Spacey may be on the way. The its-not-his-fault sympathy train has left the station. I would not be surprised if Spacey was abused. He's gay after all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5032809/Kevin-Spacey-s-father-Nazi-child-rapist-brother-says.html?ito=social-facebook

Anonymous krymneth October 30, 2017 9:43 PM  

Y'all may still get your wish. Trump may wish to leave the former Presidents out of it, but then, he wanted to leave Hillary alone and just get on with governance, and look how that worked out.

Will the ex-Presidents slink away and count their blessings, or will they try to push the issue? Bush Senior seems to be senile, so he's probably out. Bush Junior probably has the good sense to lay low, as evidenced by nearly nine years of doing exactly that. (Albeit with some recent indiscretions on that front... a change in policy?)

But will Obama's towering ego let history put an even bigger asterisk on his presidency than it already has? One even the liberals who still write history won't be able to ignore?

Well, stay tuned, I guess. But my read on Trump is that if the ex-Presidents don't play along, he'll turn on them without all that much regret. And I could see Obama doubling down. Even with basically nothing to gain and everything to lose, I could see his ego writing checks his "scandal-free presidency" can't cash.

Anonymous rector October 30, 2017 9:43 PM  

The Pink Lady was Helen Douglas, Nixon's opponent in his Senate race and Hollywood pinko.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 30, 2017 9:50 PM  

@97 JAG

Obama is the son of two US Citizens, born in Hawaii. The birth certificate issue cropped up because he'd spent three decades claiming he was born in Kenya (up to 2004, in fact), but the real issues stem from him claiming foreign student status in college admissions.

Though credit to someone in his camp for always playing like they were covering something up. His original one said "Barry Dunham" more then likely. Genetic testing would probably show him to be 75% White or so. But it was a brilliant case of Counter-Intelligence gamesmanship what they pulled off. (It's also why Trump attacked it, as it let him confuse his own opposition.)


@101 Cail Corishev

On Saturday, both the WSJ & NYPost called for Mueller to resign. Murdoch properties, those. Is old Rupert going to get in a mess over Ukraine?


@108 A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents

Hillary's nervous system is dying. It's a degenerative process and for as good as doctors as they can afford, they likely don't now how to stop it. Slow it, yes, but stop? No. The infamous head-bob reaction is a sign of degradation of the inhibition pathways. (It's likely caused by the heavy drinking.)


@126 krymneth

Trump is ever the businessman. He sells you the rope. What you do with it is up to you. (This is part of his point in Art of the Deal about taking the furthest possible position and working in.) Hillary & Bill can't just sail off. They owe too many favors. They trade on influence. Obama seems to have taken the message to go give speeches and be Jimmy Carter Redux that he will have to strive to achieve.

Anonymous Daniel H October 30, 2017 9:50 PM  

>>Both Clintons are not in good health. Probably on doctor-meds. If one of them were to stroke out, grief might take the other one real fast.

They hate each other's guts. If Hilary dropped dead tomorrow, Bill would be on his knees, praising the heavens, "Free at last, Free at last. Thank God almighty, Free at last."

Hillary would utter something similar, but with more bitterness and sarcasm if Bill croaked.

The passing of either one would give the other move vigor, a jump start, so to speak.

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 10:02 PM  

Causal Lurker wrote:Dire Badger and Cail,

"On the gripping hand,"



Thanks, I needed that.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 10:08 PM  

@106 Crew, I was just interested in the fact that they removed his involvement in McCain's campaign, which was on the page whenever Infogalactic forked it. McCain's name keeps popping up in all this stuff, and I don't think that's the first time I've seen it scrubbed from the record.

Anonymous Raker Tooth October 30, 2017 10:09 PM  

@120:
I was planning to leave the country. Hillary would have enacted hate speech laws, that's the big juicy goal for them. Then the right and internet could be rolled up in a more orderly way, or at least with the consent of the cucks. The country was on a trajectory, and I didn't expect that to change. Trump was an anomaly, an outsider elected by people fed up with the system.
I regard the time we live in as the great clarification. It's easy to see the destination of all progressive goals; they no longer have to be regarded as misdirected utopians. But I saw it mostly in a political way. Now I'm wondering about another interpretation. What if God allowed a respite in the trajectory, the anomaly, so that people could have a great moral clarification? What if He says: you see where all this anti God policy leads, here's a few years to settle it in your minds and in your will. You must discern where you departed from God the creator, and resolve to fix it.

Blogger Dire Badger October 30, 2017 10:16 PM  

@132-

Like "Okay, Gomorrha, I have shown you what lies ahead of you.... are you SURE you don't want to change your lifestyle?"

Anonymous Looking Glass October 30, 2017 10:23 PM  

@132 Raker Tooth

One of the harder lesson for most Christians to really learn is that the Lord is the one that dictated our personalities. He's the author. At the end of it all, we are tools to the Lord's Will. Our choice is how we respond to it.

This applies to countries as well. If he's not "done" with a nation, he'll send people to solve the problem. And if he is done with them? He'll rile up the hordes to raze the nation to the ground.

"The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil." Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 ESV. Listen, for the King of Kings & Lord of Lords lives and is coming again, and it is your soul at stake.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 30, 2017 10:25 PM  

Looking Glass
Hillary's nervous system is dying.

Probably. But stuff happens.

Remember, Andrew Breitbart was in pretty good health, yet he died suddenly. Of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or so the LA Coroner reported. Stuff happens.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 30, 2017 10:30 PM  

McCain's name keeps popping up in all this stuff

McCain has been dirty a long time.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Keating_Five

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 30, 2017 10:36 PM  

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-primal-scream-of-identity-politics/article/2010234#!

Good article.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2017 10:50 PM  

@136, Oh, absolutely. But even in these recent events, from the dossier to Manafort, it seems like every new story that pops up, there's smilin' John McCain waving from somewhere in the mix of it. For an old man with a rotting brain, he's been a very busy boy.

I refuse to get my hopes up for his arrest yet, though. That just seems too good to be true.

Anonymous Crew October 30, 2017 10:53 PM  

@131: I see this:

While Manafort still did provide some political advice to the McCain campaign, he returned to Kiev to devote himself more fully to Yanukovych.

from here:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/03/mccain_manafort_and_the_ukraine.html#ixzz4x3BEDXny

So, McCain's name could go back.

Blogger Akulkis October 30, 2017 10:57 PM  

"By the way, I think the anon overstates Mueller's honor. He might be as dirty as they come. But that doesn't matter. What matters is that Mueller oversaw huge coverups of Clinton/Obama crimes at the FBI, and there are Congressional investigations breathing down his neck on that. More importantly, Trump knew that when he was appointed. He doesn't have a choice; he has to play this by the book if he wants a deal for himself -- and time is running out."

This reminds me of a historical situation. Some Nazi came to Hitler in the late 30's to inform H. that Himmler, head of the SS, was 1/4 Jewish.

Hitler replied, "I know, and I have special plans for him."

The reasoning apparently went like this: Himmler is 25% Jewish, so when ordered to pogrom the Jews, he will be more enthusiastic in his actions than someone who is totally non-Jewish, do as to protect himself from any accusing him of not acting vigorously enough, leading to Himmler himself winding up in a concentration camp.

Perhaps Trump is reason ing the same way -- given proper motivation, Mueller can be relied upon to prosecute the swamp more thoroughly,lest he end up in a trial where he is the defendant himself.

Anonymous Raker Tooth October 30, 2017 11:04 PM  

@134: "Listen" certainly is key. We need to be like Nineveh, who heard a warning and repented.
@133 I wonder if the account of Gomorrha was vivid in their minds. Maybe antique stores in those days sold genuine brimstone pieces. The "Pet Rock with real meaning" sort of thing.

Anonymous Deplorable me October 30, 2017 11:09 PM  

@134 Looking Glass:

This applies to countries as well. If he's not "done" with a nation, he'll send people to solve the problem. And if he is done with them? He'll rile up the hordes to raze the nation to the ground.

Yep; the entire book of Jeremiah is about how Israel is going to be utterly destroyed, earth salted, etc. If we're still getting help, then there's time to change our course.

Blogger tublecane October 30, 2017 11:49 PM  

@110-I said it's more convincing, not that I'd agree.

When you're on the level of invalidating an entire presidency, it's not "cucking" to think of the consequences. Is Trump a "cuck" if he doesn't go directly after Obama?

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) October 30, 2017 11:52 PM  

9. SemiSpook37 October 30, 2017 3:49 PM
Then again, a lot of these degenerates never take into account 2nd, 3rd, or further order effects when they pull stuff like this.



dude.

they're psychopaths. that means they've got a Narcissism streak a mile wide.

of COURSE they never cared about anything beyond getting their rocks off.



11. Battlefrog October 30, 2017 3:55 PM
The only thing I can't wrap my head around is Mueller being in on the HRC/Podesta take down.



Mueller isn't the problem with this hypothesis. agents get turned all the time. sometimes men repent of the Evil that they do.

or, perhaps, he's not really repenting of what he personally did but he just *can't stand* the PedoBros and the kind of Shenanigans they get up too.

the "problem" is all these OTHER high powered DNC Washington lawyers he recruited to ramrod the investigation for him. this is supposedly an entire cabal of DNCe operatives.

how has Mueller gotten THEM to do work which is going to gut the Democrat party?

because, make no mistake, the PedoBros going down means that Hillary is almost certainly going with them.

and that means a complete rejection of the last 20 years of the Democrat Party.


54. Conspiracy nut October 30, 2017 5:54 PM
Do you ever go back and apologize when you're completely wrong?



please to be providing documentation of time when YOU apologized for being completely wrong.

and no, Vox still isn't going to sleep with you.

Blogger tublecane October 30, 2017 11:52 PM  

@112-Reversing e everything at a stroke, that might be a good thing. But it wouldn't happen like that. We'd have to have the judiciary and permanent government on our side, which obviously we don't.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 30, 2017 11:56 PM  

> It's not about ``dignity of the office'' - we let them go free so we can go on having elections.

I'm not sure that deal holds much longer, regardless of what happens. I'm certain it wouldn't have held if Hillary had been elected and had served her full two terms.


I generally agree, but that doesn't mean the deal isn't worth trying to save. Winner-take-all politics is usually disastrous for any nation foolish enough to indulge in it.

At this point, I think the only hope of saving that deal is draining the appointed position and political fixer swamps good and hard. The appointed officials are the hatchet men for any politically motivated actions with the consultants as their dirty tricks cutouts, and both groups have started feeling protected from payback.

Might not work, but it's worth a try.

Blogger tublecane October 31, 2017 12:06 AM  

@123-"This is Dick Nixon we're talking about. You may be too young to remember the 'pink lady' congresswoman from California. He practically shot her in the face to win."

-Roger Sterling

OpenID phenixrising16 October 31, 2017 12:12 AM  

Remember the rule for truly good government: It's not having the right people doing the right things, it's creating an environment where the wrong people do the right things out of self-interest.

If Mueller cleans the swamp, that's a pretty good sign that things might actually turn the corner.

Blogger tublecane October 31, 2017 12:13 AM  

@128-Obama was not the son of two citizens. Barry Obama, Sr. was a British subject residing as an alien in the U.S. while studying at the University of Hawaii.

Blogger tublecane October 31, 2017 12:24 AM  

@146-We didn't have a "winner-takes-all" system of the variety where a Caesar marches on Rome instead of surrendering his command or the opposition flees for the hills when their enemies get into office after the wartime command of Lincoln, who half-tried to outlaw the Democrat party. Nor after the wartime commands of Wilson and FDR, who went heavy-handed on their opposition. Nor after the many Red Scares, though the left holds grudges about those to this day.

Most importantly, not after Watergate. We probably won't have it if Trump fails to drain the swamp and they succeed in hounding him out of office.

Maybe--just maybe--we'd have it if the Clinton machine and Obama went down, because that side doesn't play. But I don't know. I'd kinda like to find out.

Anonymous JAG October 31, 2017 12:31 AM  

tublecane wrote:@110-I said it's more convincing, not that I'd agree.

When you're on the level of invalidating an entire presidency, it's not "cucking" to think of the consequences. Is Trump a "cuck" if he doesn't go directly after Obama?


It absolutely is cuck to look for flimsy excuses of hypothetical consequences to justify placing certain people above the law.

This line of reasoning boils down to that you would place Obama above the law because Democrats will get pissed off and misbehave.

100% cuck. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this, and I guarantee you the Democrats would have zero reservations about wiping out what Trump accomplishes if they can do so.

To play by rules that you know damn well your opponent will not is the pinnacle of cuck. If the truth hurts then don't cuck.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 31, 2017 12:47 AM  

We didn't have a "winner-takes-all" system ...after...

No, we didn't. But, we also didn't have a Federal government anywhere near as large as we have today. The Federal government didn't control as much money or have as much legal harassment power as it does today.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 31, 2017 1:22 AM  

"Winner-take-all politics is usually disastrous for any nation foolish enough to indulge in it."

"For any nation foolish enough not to compromise..." Kill that line of thought with fire. Lock them up? No. Hang them from poles. Flay them alive.

Leniency for former presidents? Hell no. If I want a president, I sure as hell don't want one who is unwilling to die for it.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 31, 2017 1:25 AM  

Letting them walk free and clear is incentivizing more like them to play for office. They need to have the most physically and emotionally painful demises possible. They don't necessarily have to die, but they have to be utterly and permanently politically incapacitated, if not physically, and it needs to hurt as much as possible in every possible way.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 31, 2017 1:35 AM  

The point of disallowing "winner take all" politics isn't to allow egregious crimes to go unpunished. It's to keep the government as stable and changeless as possible while still keeping it functioning.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 31, 2017 1:54 AM  

Azure, there are plenty round here that would love the government to reveal how corrupt and unstable it truly is already.
We want change.
We don't want it functioning.

We want to take our very very painful medicine now, or preferably back in 2007 when the banking system was failing and let it all crash and burn and then start the long painful process of rebuilding.

But no, too many weak sisters out there who want to cobble it all together a little longer, building a bigger and bigger backlash that will destroy far more when it cannot be kicked down the road any longer.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 31, 2017 2:02 AM  

and it needs to hurt as much as possible in every possible way.

Sure. And yet my original point still stands. Winner-take-all politics is usually disastrous for the nation. All you're saying is there are also other disasters we can suffer as well.

The question is which disaster is worse. We've had corrupt politicians for as long as we've had politicians, this country being no particular special case in that matter. We've had political machines as well. What we haven't had before, in the US anyway, is the Deep State swamp of over-funded, over-empowered federal agencies and revolving-door campaign groups.

We can send all our Clintons, Bushes and Obamas to prison, we can even send them to the gallows or the guillotine, but they'll just be replaced by other - even worse - versions if we don't defang the Administrative State.

An overly powerful and un-supervised Federal government wasn't corrupted by these creatures. It called them to it. It will keep calling others until we kill its power.

If you have a choice between taking out the Podestas or taking out the Clintons, take out the Podestas.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 31, 2017 2:21 AM  

Truth. There is a spiritual component to all of the recent political conflict. For sure.

Blogger WynnLloyd October 31, 2017 2:24 AM  

Oh wow that's pretty good. I'm going to steal that if you don't mind.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 31, 2017 2:38 AM  

The point of disallowing "winner take all" politics isn't to allow egregious crimes to go unpunished. It's to keep the government as stable and changeless as possible while still keeping it functioning.

That's not quite how I'd phrase it. The point is to allow one side to surrender temporarily without fearing total destruction.
The old strategic adage of giving your opponent a line of retreat. It allows us to grope incrementally towards solutions to the problems of governing fallen humans. Small earthquakes. Winner-take-all means everything is bound up, unable to budge, until the people out of power get mad enough to go on a killing spree, then the most viscous of them gets to try something different.

OpenID aew51183 October 31, 2017 3:13 AM  

"Lincoln, who half-tried to outlaw the Democrat party"

How unfortunate he failed.
The democrat party from its founding to this point has revolved around wanton destruction of the constitution and disobedience of judicial orders.

If not for them the USA would be a much more prosperous, advanced, and formidable version of Switzerland.

Anonymous JamesD October 31, 2017 3:29 AM  

Bullshit /pol post. He screwed up. He admits Rosenstein is dirty (Uranium One), then calls Mueller his guy. Except Rosenstein is the one who hire Mueller. Mueller has also stacked his team with Democrat operatives. The answer is a special prosecutor, like Guiliani, to investigate Uranium One. Also Mueller is squeezing the Greek dude. /pol post was false. Either a troll or an attempt to take pressure off of Mueller.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) October 31, 2017 3:53 AM  

161. aew51183 October 31, 2017 3:13 AM
The democrat party from its founding to this point has revolved around wanton destruction of the constitution and disobedience of judicial orders.



you know, i don't believe i've ever seen a more apt description of the Lincoln era Republicans.

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Blogger Dire Badger October 31, 2017 4:29 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:The point of disallowing "winner take all" politics isn't to allow egregious crimes to go unpunished. It's to keep the government as stable and changeless as possible while still keeping it functioning.

That's not quite how I'd phrase it. The point is to allow one side to surrender temporarily without fearing total destruction.

The old strategic adage of giving your opponent a line of retreat. It allows us to grope incrementally towards solutions to the problems of governing fallen humans. Small earthquakes. Winner-take-all means everything is bound up, unable to budge, until the people out of power get mad enough to go on a killing spree, then the most viscous of them gets to try something different.


That is the exact point.

Anyone that has an interest in tactics also knows that you don't back your enemy into a corner... if they have a line of retreat, and they start to lose, they will use that line of retreat and can be 'mopped up' with ease and few casualties.

If you do not give them a line of retreat, they will fight to the death and do their damnedest to take you with them.

If the thirty years war taught us anything, it's that a rout allows an easy defeat of the enemy in detail... And Politically, I'd much rather the swamp be on the run than making their last stand.

OpenID aew51183 October 31, 2017 4:53 AM  

>" i don't believe i've ever seen a more apt description of the Lincoln era Republicans."

I think you need to go back to civics class, "bob".
Lincoln enacted constitutional clauses included specifically for existential threats against the nation due to insurrection, in this case, insurrection led by the democratic party and their officials.

Yes, the constitution does allow for the suspension of habeas corpus and the enactment of measures designed to contain insurgencies.

Again, the fact Lincoln failed to prevent the democratic party from holding power AT ALL after the war is arguably the biggest failure to properly prosecute a victory against America's enemies in the nation's brief history.

Could you imagine, for instance, post-war germany allowing the nazis to immediately run for and hold office once again?

Anonymous Deplorable Winning October 31, 2017 5:40 AM  

Dire Badger wrote:Anyone that has an interest in tactics also knows that you don't back your enemy into a corner... if they have a line of retreat, and they start to lose, they will use that line of retreat and can be 'mopped up' with ease and few casualties.

Now apply that reasoning to all of white, western civilization. Its globalist enemies have left it no line of retreat. White flight is no longer possible anywhere; white people have been backed into that corner.

Blogger Dire Badger October 31, 2017 5:51 AM  

Deplorable Winning wrote:Dire Badger wrote:Anyone that has an interest in tactics also knows that you don't back your enemy into a corner... if they have a line of retreat, and they start to lose, they will use that line of retreat and can be 'mopped up' with ease and few casualties.

Now apply that reasoning to all of white, western civilization. Its globalist enemies have left it no line of retreat. White flight is no longer possible anywhere; white people have been backed into that corner.


Ironically I was thinking of exactly that Line of thought.

Vox often mentions that the rise of the right is inevitable... However, it is not JUST because the left always pursues an impossible Utopian vision and that their fantasies always end in self-destruction.

It is also because, to 'win', the Left needs to have an enemy that they can destroy... Utterly. Their ideology allows their enemies no lines of retreat, so they will always face those that will fight to the death. Yes, they can gain a short term victory, but the price they pay is so heavy that such victories are always Pyrrhic.

This need to destroy their enemies is so strong that they HAVE to keep doing it... when they run out of enemies, they HAVE to manufacture your own in order to keep their string of successes, and relevance, alive. There's only so long that you can keep turning erstwhile allies into the new evil enemy before you run out of support of all kinds...Ask the Soviets.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 31, 2017 5:54 AM  

"The point is to allow one side to surrender temporarily without fearing total destruction."

And yet, what we are facing must be utterly destroyed, and will/would utterly destroy us if given the opportunity. The most painful punishment now dissuades would-be offenders in the future.

"The old strategic adage of giving your opponent a line of retreat."

Better argument, but still insufficient in my mind. Evil is like a line of cannibals, each told that he will be permitted to join in the feast on those before him. Satan is in the rear, and will/does eat himself.

A lot of these people still aren't retreating. Some of them need to be destroyed as an example to even start them retreating. YMMV, but this is the only argument I'll permit to stand and/or continue considering. Regardless, these people need to end up in jail at the very least in the next phase after the initial rout.

"It allows us to grope incrementally towards solutions to the problems of governing fallen humans."

Nice, but groping incrementally while we are strong enough to do better is insufficient when the adversary can and will take all for the forseeable future if we don't get far enough fast enough. Us avoiding a winner-take-all scenario would be all well and good if the enemy would honor it with positions reversed, but they will not and don't have to. We're already in that scenario. Not using tactics the enemy will and does is only going to get us taken for all.

It's simple. They already have no issue sending us to jail even without us breaking any law. If we don't send them to jail FOR breaking it, well, we're just cucks then, aren't we?

Similarly, when it begins to becomes obvious that they are transitioning to physical violence (as they undoubtedly will and are) we need to be right there to brutally put them down.

TL;DR: I don't disagree with the argumentum ad Sun-Tzu, though I don't think it applies yet.

Blogger James Dixon October 31, 2017 6:10 AM  

> But, we also didn't have a Federal government anywhere near as large as we have today.

I noted on Gab yesterday that it might be time to consider truly radical alternatives. Maybe it's time for the states to declare the federal government a failure and dissolve it. The only mechanism I can see for doing so that might work would be a constitutional convention, but maybe it's time to start having that discussion?

> White flight is no longer possible anywhere; white people have been backed into that corner.

And we do have the capability to "take them with us". Pretty much all of them.

Anonymous Cindy October 31, 2017 7:29 AM  

"Probably on doctor-meds. If one of them were to stroke out, grief might take the other one real fast."

Grief! ROFL. That's a knee-slapper, right there. Those two hate each other with a white-hot passion.

Anonymous Blume October 31, 2017 7:45 AM  

If presidents get to be above the law why don't we just go back to having kings. They would more often than not have smooth transitions of power.

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable October 31, 2017 8:08 AM  

krymneth wrote:But will Obama's towering ego let history put an even bigger asterisk on his presidency than it already has? One even the liberals who still write history won't be able to ignore?

Well, if the accounts of him only stopping smoking pot when he was in the Presidency and now he is back to pot and video games is true, then no, he is not going to do anything spectacular against Trump or anything else of note. He is just going to enjoy the buzz.

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 8:23 AM  

@48 'General Kelly's son absolutely was killed in Iraq. There is a warrior caste in this country."

There is, and Mueller absolutely DOES FIT in it!

Calling Mueller honorable when he 'went along' and then did NOT say a single word, even after quitting in disgust is NOT honorable.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 31, 2017 8:27 AM  

tublecane wrote:@84-"the future presidents will be killed in office by their successors, because none will be stupid enough to peacefully hand over power and go directly to jail"

Hate to interrupt the exciting thriller it sounds like you have playing inside your head, but we've already more or less lived in this world, and the obvious solution is already there. It's the Nixon solution: resign and get pardoned by your successor. (Just make sure you can trust your VP.)

He didn't go to jail, so we haven't had that precedent. But unless he got Gerry's pardon he was going to, which he must have known.

So many people on this thread talk as if Watergate never happened. It did, and nevertheless presidential elections continued. Somehow, presidents--even pre-despised Republican ones--still voluntarily assumed office.


Yes. I think you restated my point. Peaceful succession requires that ex-presidents be safe. Hence Nixon's pardon.

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 8:41 AM  

@75 "That would be yet another example of us tying our hands over something our enemies are gleefully willing to exploit."

Yes, thank you. This.

EITHER we have forever given up playing the rueful bumbling losers, or we might as well give it all up now and take the actions REQUIRED by the laws of this nation! EITHER we are trying to return to "a nation of laws, not men" or we are just using different bananas for our republic.

The damn libs have spent how many millions of dollars and a YEAR (and with the God Emperor's apparent help! Or at least his non-action to stop) trying to -- not "indict a PAST president" but a SITTING president!! How is it that the libs / NeverTrumpers can carry on harassing the CURRENT prez -- but it's bad and wrong to harass the ones who clearly, actually, happily DID some horrific nation-damaging crimes?! (CRIMES -- people DIED! Young Americans were injured and killed! Beyond thousands of our military: HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH!!)

The Clintons should get to keep BILLIONS of illicit and illegal pay-to-play and other "contributions" and we're NOT going to hang PedoBubba for f---ing children?!

Which America is this supposed to be again?

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 8:44 AM  

@77 "This only happens in 3rd world countries"

Shall we count up how many of the obamination's crimes and horrors were EXACTLY what happens in 3rd-world countries?! BigMan Race-Baiter and "his people"?

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 8:52 AM  

@82 "If he finally surfaces with a pristine pearl clutched in his hand, can you really fault him?"

I don't know: does it depend on whether or not someone I loved was maimed or killed in the many ongoing criminal actions he was silent about? Does it depend on whether or not hundreds more young folks were maimed or killed for purposes not our own? Does it matter how many cities were burned, women (AND men) were raped and tortured and killed on our streets and in our prisons? Does it matter how many jihadi's and just plain rapists and M16 gangsters and drugs were brought in (were FLOWN in on our dime?!) and settled across the nation without our permission?

I'm of two minds about 'falling on your sword'; I'm not sure it DOES anything (except maybe in the history books?) but how do you look at yourself in the mirror as you do NOTHING to defend or maintain your honor Or your nation?!

Surely, in the four YEARS since Mueller "quit in disgust" he could have written a helluva tell-all book? Bet Castalia House would've published it too!

Blogger Ken Prescott October 31, 2017 9:03 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:No one expected the Trumpian Inquisition.

NOBODY EXPECTS THE TRUMPIAN INQUISITION!

Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and memes . . .

Our two chief weapons are suprise and memes . . . and a ruthless fanatical devotion to Harambe . . .

Amongst our weapons . . .

Oh, I'll come in again. Somebody get the Comfy Chair!

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 9:19 AM  

@89 "I don't see how it is possible for Hillary Clinton to go to jail while her husband stays out. She would rat on him and drag him down with her."

Nah, she's had an "unexpected heart attack" (from stress, of course!) and the grieving husband would struggle to keep from smiling...

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 9:24 AM  

@101 "Sometimes it is wise to dole out mercy along with the condemnation."

Yeah, tell that to those military guys who got thrown in jail for a year for WAY lesser -- unintentional -- "crimes" 1/1,000th of what Death Grandma gets 'let off' for. One of them even tried the "Hillary defense" -- and his "crimes" weren't a scintilla of what she did!

EITHER we are a nation or laws or not.
"Fait vous jou."

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 9:32 AM  

@103 "Lock Her Up"?

Wish a gazillion folks would start tweeting him EVERY DAY to "lock her up"!!

I HOPE Sessions has been laying the traps for the pedos... That his disappearance was HIM "under cover" sweeping up clues... THEN I could better forgive him for the disappearance!

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 9:34 AM  

@110 "Stop being cowards, and get in to win this damn war. I don't care what the fallout is from proper justice being meted out."

Amen, amen, thank you for this!! "Respectable losers" LOSE! We are the Alt Right and we're in it to SAVE our nation!

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 9:37 AM  

@117 "There may be a reason Obama has been quieter than expected."

That and BigMan got his corrupt filthy lucre -- what HAPPENS to the country or the world no longer matters! He be on dah beach with the ho's and dah dollahs! His handlers have no doubt let him off the leash! He wasn't a very good dog when he was ON the leash -- he's useless now.

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 9:43 AM  

@119 "If we end up as blood-thirsty and vengeful, while getting 'justice', it could very well backfire on us down the road.

I keep forgetting which side has the trillion rounds of ammo and which doesn't know which bathroom to use?"

BRAVO Steve! The Right is working to arm up (more), ammo up (more), and (keep) lift(ing)!

And LoveKraft, I'm guessing you haven't noticed that THEY ALREADY ARE blood-thirsty and vengeful about us, and have been: Rep. Scalise and his teammates ring a bell? And that wasn't about justice -- that was just hurt feelings!

"Oh, 'if only' we "regretfully" lose AGAIN; then our losing won't backfire on us AGAIN and the leftie lib commie progs will let us return to our roots!"

You don't PET a mad dog -- you SHOOT IT!

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 9:54 AM  

@155 "It's to keep the government as stable and changeless as possible while still keeping it functioning."

Oh yeah, that's DEFINITELY what we want to happen; the same sh|t piled deeper?! (NOT!)

The God Emperor was elected because MOST people of our nation WANT the "fake govt" destabilized and replaced with the old kind -- the kind this country was founded on!

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 9:56 AM  

@160 " It allows us to grope incrementally towards solutions to the problems of governing fallen humans."

And that's worked SO WELL for us these past 50+ years!! Yeah, more of THAT please!!
/sarc.

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 10:03 AM  

@175 "There is, and Mueller absolutely DOES FIT in it!"

I meant Mueller does NOT fit into a warrior caste!!

(Shouldn't type so fast when I'm furious at cucking!)

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) October 31, 2017 10:10 AM  

167. aew51183 October 31, 2017 4:53 AM
I think you need to go back to civics class, "bob".



i think you need to go back to civics class.

because, even in civics class, they acknowledge that Lincoln regularly acted in extra-Constitutional ways ( breaking up VA and creating a new state by fiat for one example ) and ignoring the orders of the Supreme Court.

but, you already knew all about the Constitutionality of the Fugitive Slave Clause
...
and the fact that the North had been violating it egregiously for 50 years
...
didn't you?

how about Lincoln deporting a US citizen. a REPUBLICAN. a SITTING CONGRESSMAN. because that man dared to criticize him? does that sound "Constitutional" to you? does that sound like "Free Speech" to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HDA8l8maR0


167. aew51183 October 31, 2017 4:53 AM
Could you imagine, for instance, post-war germany allowing the nazis to immediately run for and hold office once again?


can you imagine, for instance, a United States in which the 9th and 10th Amendments are actually *respected* and implemented as Law?

you DO understand that the 9th Amendment absolutely invalidates the Draft ( another novelty introduced by Presidential Tyranny ... sorry ... Lincoln ) without a Constitutional Amendment, yes?

you do understand that the first US income tax was likewise introduced as a novelty by Presidential Tyranny ... sorry ... Lincoln, don't you?

you do understand that the 9th + 10th are the reason why the progressive Republicans had to pass an Amendment in order to enact Prohibition, yes?

do you even understand that the Republicans of 1860 were the Radical ( the first Repuke presidential candidate was *not* Lincoln, but was a member of the "Radical Republican" faction of the party ) and Progressive party of the day ( and were still proud to call themselves "Progressive" in Teddy Roosevelt's day )?

or are you so stupid that you think them 'conservative'?

Anonymous Jack Amok October 31, 2017 10:16 AM  

And yet, what we are facing must be utterly destroyed

If you mean the over-grown deep state, I completely agree. Destroy that, and we don't have to worry about more Obamas or Clintons even if we let their recent incarnations walk. Fail to destroy that, and we'll have more and worse regardless of what we do with them.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 31, 2017 10:17 AM  

tublecane wrote:@84-"the future presidents will be killed in office by their successors, because none will be stupid enough to peacefully hand over power and go directly to jail"

Hate to interrupt the exciting thriller it sounds like you have playing inside your head, but we've already more or less lived in this world, and the obvious solution is already there. It's the Nixon solution: resign and get pardoned by your successor. (Just make sure you can trust your VP.)

He didn't go to jail, so we haven't had that precedent. But unless he got Gerry's pardon he was going to, which he must have known.

So many people on this thread talk as if Watergate never happened. It did, and nevertheless presidential elections continued. Somehow, presidents--even pre-despised Republican ones--still voluntarily assumed office.


Yes. I think you restated my point. If we are to have peaceful succession, ex-presidents must be safe. Thus Nixon's pardon by Ford.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 31, 2017 10:22 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:The point of disallowing "winner take all" politics isn't to allow egregious crimes to go unpunished. It's to keep the government as stable and changeless as possible while still keeping it functioning.

That's not quite how I'd phrase it. The point is to allow one side to surrender temporarily without fearing total destruction.

The old strategic adage of giving your opponent a line of retreat.


Allowing the opponent a way out also allows him to come back, and also allows the permanent government to remain. If our biggest problem is the Deep State, rather than the elected psychopaths who front for it, ending business as usual by ending ex-presidents and ending peaceful succession might be worth while.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 31, 2017 10:27 AM  

@192 Yes, or all presidents issue a blanket pardon of themselves and their administration on the way out, and hope it gets honored.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 31, 2017 10:32 AM  

Well, on the "jail Hillary" front, who am I to disagree with Morgan Freeman?

Anonymous Jack Amok October 31, 2017 10:34 AM  

and yes, it's fake, but who cares. Liberals keep running with fake stories for as long as they can get anyone to listen.

Anonymous MIG October 31, 2017 10:36 AM  

Trump's tweets about Podesta - OUCH!

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 31, 2017 11:19 AM  

tublecane wrote:But it wouldn't happen like that. We'd have to have the judiciary and permanent government on our side, which obviously we don't.
That's just it:  removing 8 years of krytarchs and deep-state operatives, reversing promotions and replacing the promoted, etc. would gut both of them.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 31, 2017 11:28 AM  

@18 horsewithnonick
What if helping the GE drain the swamp is Mueller's only path out of the swamp that doesn't end in prison?
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I've heard this theory put forth regarding a lot of swamp monsters. The idea is that many of them never went to become a part of the swamp, but were sucked into it over time.

And now they want out but are implicated by things such as our pal here Mueller being a bagman for Uranium One.

If someone went to DC and was slowly co-opted like this by some swamp puppet masters like Obala, Hitlery, Pedostas, etc, then maybe we will see some revenge plays like what Mueller might be up to.

Its an interesting thought, and we will see if it has any merit over time.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 31, 2017 11:56 AM  

Mr. Rational is right on the money on this one. Punishing/Jailing/Executing NOW and EVERYONE we can possibly get our hands on puts them in no position to come back in the immediate future (7-16 years) whereas letting a bunch of them walk? It's just ASKING them to raise or recruit more like them and send them right on in, after all, who doesn't want to join the head on assault when there's no downside even to being stopped/caught/repelled?

IF they're all running (they aren't yet) THEN you leave them seeming retreat options. UNTIL then, you pop whatever small fraction is forced into the corner-of-the-moment like a packing-bubble and roll on to put the next bubble under the millstone.

They're either organized already and we need to all-in or risk losing, or they aren't and we can besiege, destroy and assimilate one stronghold at a time. Either way, you crush whatever is to hand.

Outing Obama as an illegitimate president -- if possible -- and trashing everything he's done in an instant? Better bang for the buck the sooner it's done, before we have to reverse much of it the hard way. Bonus points: It absolutely demolishes large sections of palisades they're currently hiding behind. What better to put them all on the run?

TL;DR: You need a decisive psychological victory that cannot be denied by either side before you can realistically employ rout-mop-up strategies. We had one right after the election, but sadly Trump could not actually take office for several months, which left the adversary plenty of time to regain footing. We need another similar-scale victory while we have the footing. Completely invalidating their hero 0bama? That'd do it. Locking up Killary and Co? -- Another big psychological step toward it. You've got to pry up the floorboards to get to the rats underneath the scenes. Don't take their punishment as cathartic -- rather, use it to build more steam for the roller.

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