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Wednesday, October 11, 2017

The Boy Scouts, converged

This result was baked in the cake ever since the Boy Scouts started allowing gays. This is what social justice convergence looks like; once social justice enters, it replaces the core purpose of the organization:
The Boy Scouts of America's board of directors has unanimously agreed to welcome girls into the Cub Scout program and to forge a path for older girls to pursue and earn the highest rank of Eagle Scout, the organization said Wednesday.

"The historic decision comes after years of receiving requests from families and girls," Boy Scouts of America said in a statement. "[T]he organization evaluated the results of numerous research efforts, gaining input from current members and leaders, as well as parents and girls who've never been involved in Scouting -- to understand how to offer families an important additional choice in meeting the character development needs of all their children."

BSA said the move is also aimed at helping busy families consolidate programs for their children. "Families today are busier and more diverse than ever. Most are dual-earners and there are more single-parent households than ever before, making convenient programs that serve the whole family more appealing," the BSA statement said.

Boy Scouts of America has about 2.3 million youth members between the ages of 7 and 21 and about 960,000 volunteers in the United States and its territories.
What a pity I didn't write SJWs Always Lie and SJWs Always Double Down back when I was a Boy Scout in the Order of the Arrow. Of course, it's only a matter of time before they ban the latter in order to avoid offending American Indians.

You can be absolutely certain that after the initial rush of girls to join the Boy Scouts, the number of youth members and volunteers will begin to drop even more precipitously than it has already; membership is down 63 percent since it peaked in 1972. And in case you're wondering, the time to start an alternative organization on the guidelines of the original Boy Scouts is about five years ago. You want to have the infrastructure in place and get it up and running before the mass outflow starts.

From SJWs Always Double Down: As Martin van Creveld, the Israeli military historian has noted, the more women enter any professional field, the more men leave it. And as the men depart, so to do the prestige and the economic rewards provided by the field. This creates a vicious cycle that both expels existing men from the field while repelling new men from entering it.

This is also true of academic institutions, social organizations and entertainment as well. It won't be too terribly long before, the Boy Scouts of America will be shocked and dismayed to discover that they can't get boys to join it anymore.
The decision to allow girls to achieve the rank of Eagle Scout is significant for several reasons.

The rank of Eagle Scout is a prestigious and widely recognized achievement, one that can have long-term benefits in academic, professional and even military spheres. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Neil Armstrong and Former US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates are just a few notable men who have attained the rank of Eagle Scout.

While there is a rough equivalent in the Girl Scouts -- the Gold Award -- the honor is not nearly as well-known as the Eagle Scout distinction.
And we can now anticipate that the prestige and the long-term benefits of achieving the rank of Eagle Scout will rapidly disappear along with the boys. This is what ALWAYS happens when you fail to police your organization in order to keep the SJWs out.

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Blogger Ransom Smith October 11, 2017 5:04 PM  

That sound you hear is the cucks cucking about why this is a good idea.

Blogger RobertDWood October 11, 2017 5:04 PM  

The convergence is uniquely infuriating today, as an eagle scout I thought I had fully written this organization off when they broke for the gays. I was wrong. The image of a woman in the future claiming to be an eagle scout matches the fury at meeting a woman who talks about how kind her 'husband' is when she does the for her.

Conservatives don't fight to win.

Blogger Feather Blade October 11, 2017 5:06 PM  

While there is a rough equivalent in the Girl Scouts -- the Gold Award -- the honor is not nearly as well-known as the Eagle Scout distinction.

And apparently it was too much effort to publicise this award, so that people knew it was the Girl Scout equivalent of Eagle Scout.

Blogger KJE October 11, 2017 5:07 PM  

I'm really torn by this. I am an Eagle and a Vigil OA member.

My son is a second year Webelos.

I need to take time to think, but I keep coming back to the conclusion that my choice will come down to:

1. Complicit participation

2. Leave the organization.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 11, 2017 5:09 PM  

Watch the eagle scout award get watered down to nothing. Badges will include disposing of feminine hygiene products in an eco friendly fashion and scrapbooking the Cosmo sex articles for the week.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 11, 2017 5:14 PM  

At a gathering this weekend, we met a couple and the wife kept stating her daughter was involved in scouting. She mentioned it several times in relation to activities that sounded like Boy Scouts, but I assumed she meant Girl Scouts. Reading this makes me wonder if she meant Boy Scouts and was trying to provoke a reaction.

Blogger Matt October 11, 2017 5:14 PM  

Makes sense if they were concerned with making it easier to have sons and daughters both in the scouts, not having to drop one kid here and one kid there, but of course, that isn't why they've done this. Sad!

Blogger RobertDWood October 11, 2017 5:16 PM  

Leave. There is nothing here for your son worth the price of his father's character

Blogger Sam Lively October 11, 2017 5:18 PM  

@4

Dude, leave. An easy call. Don't give them any more of your time or money - it will be used against you.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 11, 2017 5:18 PM  

I thought it was a little bizarre. Wish I had read this a week ago. I would have clarified.

Blogger Ostar October 11, 2017 5:18 PM  

My oldest child worked for his Eagle Scout. I was a scout in my teens.

My youngest I withdrew from the Scouts when they allowed gays in. I know I wasn't alone among local parents in doing so.

Blogger Azimus October 11, 2017 5:20 PM  

I loved the scouts... only left when I discovered girls. I wish Trail Life was an option, but the scouts in E Wisconsin where I live are to the BSA Board what American Roman Catholics are to the Vatican. Either way, in my area the people's love for what the scouts WERE over-rides their red flags about what the scouts ARE. I expect the situation is pretty much the same throughout the US. Maybe it's not too late to stage a coup? Is this an opportunity for an Avignon Papacy of sorts? The NRA was able to do it...

Anonymous Crew October 11, 2017 5:21 PM  

Perhaps they should just rename themselves the "Gay Scouts of America"!

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 11, 2017 5:22 PM  

I was a Girl Scout, up to Cadet level. The organization became less about self-reliance and more about showing off yo bad sef. So I quit.

I know a woman who is the leader for her son’s troop (bio Dad is gone, alky, lives in a hotel in AR somewhere). Yes, you can imagine. Today she was talking about camping with the boys and doing their Dutch oven cooking badges. She can’t get them interested in trying anything other than pizza and hot dogs. I only imagine that a man, a father, a DAD would say “look, this is what we’re cooking and eating!”

I am a camper, backpacker, climber, sometimes hunter, backcountry traveler in all seasons. I know camp cooking, spare and luxurious. But I wouldn’t take over a scout troop because of that. If asked I’d provide advice, workshops. Boys need men to lead the. The Boy Scouts hasn’t been for decades. It’s been about gays having access to boys, and moms (usually single moms) power-tripping on their son’s and his friends.

Anonymous Rfvujm October 11, 2017 5:25 PM  

Will the Girl Scouts admit boys next?

Will both change their organization's name to avoid creating division among the genders?

When will they start admitting adults?

They will not stop until they have burned the host organization to the ground.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 11, 2017 5:29 PM  

4) Take a stand. Tell them no and don't allow them in your group. You will promptly earn your expulsion badge, but it will leave a lasting impression.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 11, 2017 5:31 PM  

Rfvujm wrote:Will both change their organization's name to avoid creating division among the genders?

Probably just Scouts.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 11, 2017 5:33 PM  

My family parted ways with the BSA over the gays. Converged. Give them five years and they will come out for abortion. What’s to stop them? They have surrendered every means to fight the SJW narratives. They are slaves to the whims of the left.

Anonymous VFM #7916 October 11, 2017 5:34 PM  

I may as well send back my Eagle pin.

Can you imagine the pregnancies, STDs, and sexual harassment complaints that will occur now? Or the accusations of pedophilia or molestation? Now you would be required to take women on every camping trip, which effectively means no hard hikes or long trips.


Anonymous Axe Head October 11, 2017 5:34 PM  

The tide is turning. We are able to start making the poz uncomfortable, Trump has been softening things up.

Enough of the white flight, now it's time to make the poz fly.

Blogger VD October 11, 2017 5:34 PM  

Maybe it's not too late to stage a coup? Is this an opportunity for an Avignon Papacy of sorts?

Stop cucking and deal with reality. It's FAR too late. The organization's core purpose has already been destroyed.

2. Leave the organization.

Do this and start your own.

Anonymous Axe Head October 11, 2017 5:36 PM  

Instead of seeing this as a loss, see it as we have a huge head start on infiltrating the Boy Scouts. Now it's time to finish the job.

Anonymous JustLooking October 11, 2017 5:42 PM  

Zach Wahls, an Eagle Scout with 2 moms and one of the shepherds of lifting the lgbt ban, is involved in this. His ultimate goal is ending the idea of"duty to God".

Blogger wreckage October 11, 2017 5:45 PM  

So, the Gold Award was not as well recognized as Eagle Scout.

Well, why bother renaming the award when you can just gut the organization and wear its skin as a suit?

Most people are cognizant that girls need time, space, organizations, away from boys sometimes.

But suggest the reverse may also be true and you're a monster, despite the evidence that too much time dealing with female social aggression is far worse for male mental health - men literally don't have the neural wiring to deal with it. It's like having women compete with men in arm wrestling, only, every minute of every day, forever, and it's illegal to leave.

No wonder the male suicide rate has stayed so high.

OpenID archerfisher21 October 11, 2017 5:46 PM  

Wait until a lot of girls join up and come home preggo haha

Anonymous just some guy October 11, 2017 5:53 PM  

The problem really is the result of corporate America. After Obama kicked the national jamboree out of Fort A. P. Hill, the BSA decided to build its own national jamboree site, now called Summit Betchel.

Orginally planned to cost in the range of $50 million, corporate board members convinced the BSA to expand the cost to $439 million.

As such, the BSA became beholden to corporate donors and turned its back on its long standing religious partners.

Churches have been leaving steadily as unit sponsors and this will kill scouting for many tradition churches. Expect to see the Mormons, who already were planning to reduce their involvement, to leave entirely, and maybe the Catholics.

I am an Eagle Scout. I have two Life Scouts (the rank just below Eagle), as well as 2 younger scouts. We are likely done.

Scouting had been penetrated by corporate interests long ago, as local counsels, staffed with local businessmen, had, in many places, sold off scout assets for a steal in cronyistic deals.

A sad end to a formerly great institution.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 11, 2017 5:53 PM  

This was baked in the cake when BSA let women be scoutmasters. Before the homos.

Anonymous WinstonAddsCorrectly October 11, 2017 5:56 PM  

They already have a reasonable alternative, that has been growing precipitously, TRAIL LIFE for boys and AMERICAN HERITAGE GIRLS, which are both explicitly right-leaning and in fact, the by laws of Trail Life require that you be a "boy, born a boy", etc.

Keeping these two groups from being converged will be the real challenge.

Anonymous High tech Redneck October 11, 2017 5:56 PM  

"Now you would be required to take women on every camping trip, which effectively means no hard hikes or long trips."

Or to put it another way, no fun. The seed for the demise of the Boy Scouts of America was planted when they started allowing women to have roles in troop leadership. There are a large number of women who seemingly cannot tolerate the idea that somewhere there might be males who are having a good time without them.

I would pull my sons out now except that (a) they are almost done anyway and (b) the troop leaders are good old-fashioned rednecks who don't cotton to this stuff.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 11, 2017 5:59 PM  

They sure have earned the Ostrich Scout badge.

Blogger Azimus October 11, 2017 6:01 PM  

21. VD October 11, 2017 5:34 PM
Stop cucking and deal with reality. It's FAR too late. The organization's core purpose has already been destroyed.


Point taken, VD. I guess I already knew that... my boys have been told they will not join, and to the extent a 10yr old and a 5yr old can understand, they know why. And I know what needs to be done - I need to tell right-minded men they should pull their boys out in order to save them in light of the events of the last several years. Probably should've seen this coming when the merit badges started getting gay'd up.

Blogger Otto Lamp October 11, 2017 6:01 PM  

Five years from now, the Boy Scouts won't exist.

The idea of Cub Scouts being outdoor fun (which draws in a lot of young boys) is now completely gone.

No 7-10 year old boy wants to go camping and fishing with a bunch of girls. And, if boys don't join Cub Scouts, they probably won't join Boy Scouts.

Anonymous Father Fondilay October 11, 2017 6:04 PM  

the scouts have always been a prime fishing spot for paedos. and the scouts covered up for homo troop leaders just like the catholic church did/does.

Blogger StinkEye October 11, 2017 6:09 PM  

1) Girls allowed in Boy Scouts.
2) Women become Scout leaders because you can't have
men overseeing young girls.
3) Boys Scouts become feminist.
$) Boy Scouts destroyed.

Blogger bobby October 11, 2017 6:12 PM  

Give it five years from the change and 90% of troop leaders will be women. Men have things to teach. Women just love to organize.

Give it five more years and the skills and training will have nothing to do with knives and axes and tents and honor and duty. It'll be diversity and helping others less fortunate and self-expression through flower arranging.

Anonymous SAK October 11, 2017 6:14 PM  

This has already played out in the UK:

"Girls now make up a quarter of all Scouts [in the UK], with young women accounting for almost three-quarters of the association’s new youth recruits...

...Girl recruits, who accounted for 71 per cent of those joining up last year, first outnumbered boys in 2011 and the trend has accelerated since then"

And to make it clear:

"Kate [a teenage Eagle Scout] said: 'Most people think scouting's for boys, but that's not the case any more'."

Indeed Kate, it has very little to do with boys any more.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/girls-now-make-up-almost-three-quarters-of-new-scouts/

Blogger Alphonsus Jr. October 11, 2017 6:17 PM  

#4,

How is it that you didn't immediately renounce the Boy Scouts when they welcomed stinking sodomites?

Blogger Greg Hunt October 11, 2017 6:18 PM  

hollywood has always been a prime fishing spot for paedos. and hollywood covers up for homo moviemakers just like the public schools did/do.

FIFY

Anonymous Icicle October 11, 2017 6:21 PM  

...Girl recruits, who accounted for 71 per cent of those joining up last year, first outnumbered boys in 2011 and the trend has accelerated since then"

"Kate [a teenage Eagle Scout] said: 'Most people think scouting's for boys, but that's not the case any more'."

Indeed Kate, it has very little to do with boys any more.


So we already have an experiment performed in the real world to show what will happen. Wow, just wow. I can't even.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 6:24 PM  

There's a non-converged alternate scouting organization, but I can't remember the name. During the "here come the gays" period, whole troops moved over.

http://www.troop97.net/scout_like.htm

Trial Life USA was the specific organization I was thinking about.

Anonymous Philalethes October 11, 2017 6:26 PM  

…the prestige and the long-term benefits of achieving the rank of Eagle Scout will rapidly disappear….

Eagle Scout – whatever is left of it – will now go the way of Ph.D. and other academic degrees. Notice in recent years how everybody now has to have a bunch of initials after their name?

@3: And apparently it was too much effort to publicise this award, so that people knew it was the Girl Scout equivalent of Eagle Scout.

No, the point is the "Gold Award" is not the equivalent of Eagle Scout, and since girls must be "equal", they weren't satisfied with it.

@5: Watch the eagle scout award get watered down to nothing. Badges will include disposing of feminine hygiene products in an eco friendly fashion and scrapbooking the Cosmo sex articles for the week.

Precisely. The bar must be lowered so the girls can feel "equal".

@15: Will the Girl Scouts admit boys next??

Don't hold your breath. In my town there was once a Boys' Club – part of the national organization. Some time ago (maybe 20 years?) it was changed to the Boys & Girls Club. It appears to serve mainly working class kids. There's also an organization called Girls Inc. ("Inspiring all girls to be strong, smart, and bold"), which looks to be lavishly funded (nice building in a posh part of town). This is called "equality". I doubt any boy has ever tried to join, but can imagine what would happen….

Dalrock's classic post Feminist territory marking examines the psychology behind this:

Feminists have two primal desires which work cross purpose. They want to:
1. Be (like) one of the guys (experience manly pride)
2. Mark all spaces as feminine (extinguish manly pride)

The problem for feminists is they still deeply crave to experience what only men can truly experience: manly pride. This is why feminists have so little interest in building up their own organizations. Being top woman doesn’t cut it. They want to break into an all male field; this is the only way for women to experience that feeling of manly pride. But the reward is fleeting. No matter what they do, they aren’t men. So they set about tearing it all down, stamping out any symbol of manly pride.


Actually, being top woman does "cut it" – in a culture where women have a recognized and honored role. Check out any "primitive", indigenous culture: grandmothers have tremendous prestige. But if women don't believe mothering is worth doing well – or worth doing at all – they can only be envious of men.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 11, 2017 6:27 PM  

@34 stink eye
1) Girls allowed in Boy Scouts.
2) Women become Scout leaders because you can't have
men overseeing young girls.
3) Boys Scouts become feminist.
$) Boy Scouts destroyed.


Nope.
1) Women allowed as Scouters because "not enough men" and "equality" or something.

Then the rest follows in time, ending with Boy Scouts hollowed out and worn by faggots & divorced moms as a skin suit.

Women ruin everything.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 11, 2017 6:29 PM  

@31 Otto
Five years from now, the Boy Scouts won't exist.


But a skin suit called "Boy Scouts" will still be zombieing around. Worn by SJW's, faggots and bitter women.

Blogger Kauf Buch October 11, 2017 6:33 PM  

Did someone ask for ALTERNATIVE ORGANIZATIONS?!?

FOR BOYS - Trail Life USA
http://www.traillifeusa.com/

FOR GIRLS - American Heritage Girls
https://www.americanheritagegirls.org/

Blogger Mister Excitement October 11, 2017 6:35 PM  

In other SJW Convergence news:

http://americanmilitarynews.com/2017/10/exclusive-former-west-point-professors-letter-exposes-corruption-cheating-and-failing-standards-full-letter/

Here is his sworn statement that was in the news last week:

http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Heffington-Sworn-Statement-18-Nov-2015-Signed-2.pdf



Required reading for Army guys. What's happened at West Point is going on all through the Army. I just retired last year as a field grade and have witnessed a distinct difference in the culture and policies of the Army from the 90s to today.

It seems the Baby Boomers (the senior leadership at West Point) have a shocking inability or unwillingness to deal with Convergence, even in traditionally conservative institutions.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 11, 2017 6:41 PM  

@25  They'll have an abortion merit badge for that.

Anonymous dr kill October 11, 2017 6:42 PM  

The Boy Scouts have always taken themselves way too seriously. Lines up?
Really? Hahahaha. I'm supposed to care about some uniform - wearing badge boys?
Real men come through 4-H.

Blogger Michael Kingswood October 11, 2017 6:43 PM  

It is difficult to express how entirely pissed off I am over this. It serves me right, I suppose. I was appalled by the tranny thing last year but I stuck with it because in the end the girl in question would wash out once the novelty wore off, and because I liked scouting so much as a kid and I wanted my boys to have that same experience.

Should have left then.

Soon as I saw this article, I texted my cub master that we're done. I'm helping to run the Bear den, and I'm the advancement chair for the pack. I'm tempted to feel bad about leaving them in the lurch.

But I can no longer fund or associate with this organization as it slits its own throat.

I really, REALLY can relate to that H L Mencken quote right about now...

Blogger Stilicho October 11, 2017 6:51 PM  

Hell, you won't even be able to mock them by calling them the Boyish Scouts anymore. Perhaps the LGTBQPGCGFTREQWERTY Scouts? But that's cumbersome. Perhaps just the Bitch Scouts. That way they can still us "BSA".

Blogger Nate73 October 11, 2017 6:52 PM  

So I'll take a stab at this. When you introduce women into a male organization, you wind up with the women in-fighting constantly instead of being productive. Secondly, male dynamics are sabotaged because norms that worked with just men now have to be constantly adjusted or removed to suit the one woman on the team. Thus productivity falls because men are the driving builders of civilization. This doesn't even include the dead weight diversity hires that can't actually do the job.

Is that close?

Anonymous Steve October 11, 2017 6:55 PM  

I wonder what a non-pozzed, 21st century scout movement would look like?

Queen Victoria was barely off to her eternal reward when SCOUTING FOR BOYS got published. The sort of woodcraft and knotwork the Scouts used to be about might've been useful in the days of the Empire, but were of dubious benefit even in the analog lo-fi days of my boyhood and are probably irrelevant now. I don't think I've ever needed to do a sheepshank.

The Second Boer War had a yuge influence on Baden-Powell and Scouting, because he fought in it.

If we're looking for martial inspiration for boys in the modern era, where would that come from?

SAK - thanks for the link. Explains why I haven't seen a Scout troop around these parts in years.

Anonymous JAG October 11, 2017 6:56 PM  

And recall, the BSA didn't have to be converged. They actually won in court over the deviants, but decided to roll over anyway. I think they wanted to lose the case as cover for switching to the deviant leftist model, but were shocked that they won. Plan B had to be put into action instead.

Anonymous VFM #7916 October 11, 2017 6:56 PM  

@47 True, nothing like raising, breeding, and slaughtering your own animals to give you a perspective on life.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 11, 2017 6:58 PM  

@45 Mister Excitement.

Only slightly OT it appear in this case because it appears to show what will happen to the scouts now that they have admitted girls. I couldn't help but notice that the "cadets" brought up in his examples later were referred to as "she". That pretty much tells you all you need to know. The white knights couldn't possible impose the proper discipline upon the poor women folk for lying, cheating or just plain failing to perform.

Anonymous VFM #7916 October 11, 2017 6:59 PM  

@51

Iraq and Afghanistan, 4th generation warfighting technicques

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 11, 2017 7:02 PM  

I know that Scouts Canada and Scouts Australia are multi-gendered organizations (I know a woman who is a scout leader down under). I'd be curious to hear from readers in those areas how Scouting has changed after becoming Boy and Girl scouts.
In the case of the BSA... I suspect that cash flow problems are the source, and they have now doubled down. I know the Mormons (a major source of membership and funding) were gradually moving away from the BSA after recent events, and I'm curious to see what will happen now.

My sister tried the Girl Scouts for a while, but she found it boring. She could see the things the Boy Scouts did (watching her brothers) and it looked a lot more exciting to her.
The obvious fix to the (wholly converged) GSA was to make it equally challenging and interesting, but SJWism has to pull down, rather than up. (then, of course, the organization gets gutted and worn like a skin suit.)
Goodbye, BSA. We had many years of outdoor activities together, but this Eagle Scout is not going to donate time, support, or money to an organization that does not match his values.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain October 11, 2017 7:02 PM  

Insanity. Even some lefty Facebook friends of mine are going "Ehhhh" to this. Not that I care about their opinion, but still.

Anonymous Steve October 11, 2017 7:03 PM  

Nate73 - from a boy's point of view, it's simpler than that.

Boys like socialising and being part of a team with other boys. A space where you can fart and tell rude jokes and overcome challenges while finding your place among the lads. It's part of normal masculine development.

As soon as you add girls, the esprit de corps is lost forever and it rapidly becomes an exclusively girl thing.

See also: altar boys, or altar "servers" as they are now gaily known.

Blogger Dire Badger October 11, 2017 7:05 PM  

They have also been reducing the requirements to become an eagle scout.

the benefits WILL in fact, disappear... The goal of egalitarians has ALWAYS been to tear down everyone to the same level, the lowest common denominator, because it's impossible to raise everyone to the same level.

As an Eagle scout myself, I won't give an employee the extra consideration being an eagle scout deserves unless they are Mormons.Not because I care for or trust Mormons more than anyone else, but because I know that the Mormon Boy scout program is still relatively valuable.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch October 11, 2017 7:11 PM  

Yup, we Catholics got Trail Life. Founded by big whigs who got tired of Boy Scouts' crap, and started anew.

Blogger David The Good October 11, 2017 7:12 PM  

4-H has its own stupidity.

https://4hset.rutgers.edu/teen-summit/

Further testimony: We got multiple roosters from the local 4H program in North Florida. Not because I was involved in the program, but because I knew someone who knew someone who was. The children were raising chickens for shows, then they didn't want to keep the roosters. Instead of butchering and eating them, there was a guy who was responsible for killing the cocks and throwing them in a dumpster.

It bugged him, so he gave them away when he could. I was happy for the free meat.

I have no respect for 4-H.

Blogger Mister Excitement October 11, 2017 7:14 PM  

@54

The first thing I thought of when I saw the "she" in the letter was the picture of the black female cadets all raising the Black Power fists.

The Lieutenant Colonel was teaching there at the time of this incident.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/us/west-point-cadets-photo/index.html

Blogger Cecil Henry October 11, 2017 7:19 PM  

The fruits of envy as social policy.

Masked as social justice, or fairness, or equality, or discrimination.

ITs all Satanic envy. And that it where it will lead.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 11, 2017 7:22 PM  

The crazy thing is that today is the International Day of the Girl. Yes, on this day the BSA chose to really stick it to the Girl Scouts, who are hopping mad about this. They just got their space invaded, and they are diminished by this. I was listening to Girl Scouts and their leaders calling in on a local radio show. They are not amused to say the least. They were also announcing no intention to admit boys and declaring that boys and girls are different and require different spaces. If they can keep that up remains to be seen. But I wish them well in that. They are 100% correct on this issue.

Anonymous Troops of Saint George October 11, 2017 7:24 PM  

Catholics should probably check this:
https://troopsofsaintgeorge.org/

Anonymous Steve October 11, 2017 7:25 PM  

Laramie - Trail Life sounds fine apart from its resemblance to an Alpine breakfast cereal. It's all a bit... goody two shoes.

I like #7916's 4GW idea, except I'd call it the Legion and organise the troops Tom Kratman style.

Blogger Matthew October 11, 2017 7:29 PM  

Azimus wrote:21. VD October 11, 2017 5:34 PM

Stop cucking and deal with reality. It's FAR too late. The organization's core purpose has already been destroyed.


Point taken, VD. I guess I already knew that... my boys have been told they will not join, and to the extent a 10yr old and a 5yr old can understand, they know why. And I know what needs to be done - I need to tell right-minded men they should pull their boys out in order to save them in light of the events of the last several years. Probably should've seen this coming when the merit badges started getting gay'd up.


Yes. Go on the attack. Mock them publicly. Do everything you can to help the local troops self-destruct. They are vectors of evil now.

Treat them like a chapter of NAMBLA (because they are).

Anonymous Icicle October 11, 2017 7:29 PM  

See also: altar boys, or altar "servers" as they are now gaily known.

They made that even gayer than it already was? Nice.

They were also announcing no intention to admit boys and declaring that boys and girls are different and require different spaces.

So the boy-spaces get girls but the girl-spaces stay all-girls? Sounds about right.

Anonymous SAK October 11, 2017 7:34 PM  

"I'd call it the Legion and organise the troops Tom Kratman style"

What, teach them the various construction and erection techniques for orthogonal punishment beams?

Will older legionnaires get extra merit for taking up helicopter piloting as part of a "Pinochet Program"?

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 11, 2017 7:38 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote: I was listening to Girl Scouts and their leaders calling in on a local radio show. They are not amused to say the least. They were also announcing no intention to admit boys and declaring that boys and girls are different and require different spaces. If they can keep that up remains to be seen. But I wish them well in that. They are 100% correct on this issue.
Interesting! i hadn't heard about this... and I wonder when (or if) the press, triumphant in this "victory" over patriarchy and traditional culture will decide these women's side of the story to be newsworthy.
But yes -- as another poster mentions, they require different spaces, in spite of what intersectionalists feel. It's not sexist to realize this. My Boy Scout experience would have been very different, and probably not really in a good way, if girls had been part of the dynamic.

Blogger Rick T October 11, 2017 7:42 PM  

This is going to be fun to watch, having girls who are used to age/rank/cohort-based troops try to integrate into a multi-generational immortal troop structure.

Anonymous Icicle October 11, 2017 7:43 PM  

Teenage boys and girls together on camping trips.

What could possibly go wrong?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 11, 2017 7:43 PM  

I've brought my boys to the local Trail Life troop, but I just can't fully commit. The scout master guy is just so not masculine. Very soft spoken and non assertive. Makes my skin crawl.

Blogger Matthew October 11, 2017 7:46 PM  

Icicle wrote:Teenage boys and girls together on camping trips.

What could possibly go wrong?


Orgy Porgy

Anonymous SAK October 11, 2017 7:50 PM  

"The scout master guy is just so not masculine. Very soft spoken and non assertive. Makes my skin crawl."

His own son is involved in this troop? If not, run fast.

Even if, be wary.

Anonymous Steve October 11, 2017 7:51 PM  

They made that even gayer than it already was? Nice.

Yarp.

Back in the 80's, which was a time of heroes and legends, being an altar boy was a pretty sweet gig if you were a Catholic laddie.

You'd make friends, get paid (funerals were best for this, weddings carried a 50/50 chance because everyone was so eager to get drunk and dance), and learn how to swing a thurible like a boss.

We took pride in our work. Everything was drilled with almost military precision, nobody slouched or wore white trainers or yawned in the sanctuary.

Some of the other kids at school might want to tease you for wearing a cassock, but it was the 80's, so we beat the fear of Our Lord into them. We saw ourselves as following in the noble footsteps of St Stephen. Apart from the playground fights part, although I'm sure the nuns in The Bells of St Mary's said punching cheeky buggers was ok.

Nowadays your bog standard Catholic church will see the priest assisted by a couple of chavvy, bored-looking girls sauntering around with all the grace and purpose of bewildered cows. Sad.

Blogger Wishing Star October 11, 2017 7:52 PM  

I'm not taking this as well as I'd hoped. I don't believe I'll read too much more about this. I have fond memories about the Cub Scouts.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 11, 2017 7:52 PM  

Yes, his son is. He strikes me merely as the unfortunate soul who got a smaller than normal dose of testosterone, not a predator.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 7:59 PM  

@66 Steve

21st Century Scouting: We teach you CQC, Breach & Enter and Intelligence Gathering.

Where can I sign up?

Blogger Janus October 11, 2017 8:02 PM  

I was a Boy Scout half a decade ago, made it to Life Scout and then quit. Just about every person I knew, from the scout leaders, to my friends, my parents, my teachers, etc... All told me what a horrible mistake I was making for not just going that final mile and getting my Eagle Scout rank (for the express purpose of putting it on my resume mind you, nobody actually cared if I managed to learn or experience anything from it).

But not a one of them saw what I saw - I saw the writing on the wall. And I couldn't be happier that I hadn't wasted my time on it, it's going to be meaningless soon enough. Everything that I always despised in the public school system I also saw in the BSA and I look forward to seeing the day they truly crash and burn.

And to any of you other former scouts lamenting the BSA's fall from grace, all I have to say is: don't. They're the enemy now and have been for longer than you would probably like to believe, don't allow your nostalgia to blind you of this fact.

BSA Delenda Est.

OpenID doktorjeep October 11, 2017 8:23 PM  

Piss on scouting.

You want organization for your kids?

Form a local militia.
Start at the unit level: your family.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 11, 2017 8:37 PM  

@64 deplorable rubberducky
I was listening to Girl Scouts and their leaders calling in on a local radio show. They are not amused to say the least. They were also announcing no intention to admit boys and declaring that boys and girls are different and require different spaces. I

That's just the lesbians who infiltrated Girl Scouts in the 90's at work. They don't want competition in their clubhouse.

Blogger Milkshakesuds October 11, 2017 8:40 PM  

At the risk of upsetting everyone I agree that young ladies should be admitted to the "BOY" Scouts.
What are girls but boys without penis's right?
Rather than protecting our young men from the inevitable radical gender hatreds, they should start to encounter them now so they will deal with them better as adults and not be victims in the workplace, family court, etc... Perhaps a merit badge on gender distress.
Once was the time a resourceful scout could treat a snakebite, find food, read a compass.
Now a scout must navigate family court, treat gender bias wounds in the workplace, and circumnavigate the peaks and valleys of precious, fragile feelings.


Anonymous Tim Blaisdale III October 11, 2017 8:57 PM  

well the girl scouts are where the trannies go now.

Anonymous JAG October 11, 2017 9:00 PM  

I only made it to Tenderfoot rank with a few skill awards and merit badges to my name, but I had loads of fun while I was in the Scouts.

It would not have worked with girls in the troop because a lot of us were just turning 13 years old, and noticing girls much more than before. We would have been far too distracted to focus on Scouting activities. There would be fights, too. That always happens in those situations.

Blogger Bob Loblaw October 11, 2017 9:02 PM  

Icicle wrote:Teenage boys and girls together on camping trips.

What could possibly go wrong?


Nothing, because there won't be any more camping trips. Not for too much longer, anyway. Once the girls are there the activities they don't like will slowly be stripped out, starting with camping, until it's just the girls and a few gay boys baking cookies.

Blogger Lovekraft October 11, 2017 9:04 PM  

That's been a sad reality in Canada for a decade or so now.

And with Trudeau virtue signalling to the middle class female voting base, there's no going back.

http://www.marieclaire.com/politics/a12811748/justin-trudeau-raising-kids-feminist/

But hey, our boys will be ready to tackle the challenges of growing up when surrounded by nosy busybodies and grrrl power!

Blogger mgh October 11, 2017 9:04 PM  

Why do you need a national organization? Get together with a few like minded men and take your boys camping, fishing, etc. You don't have to let anyone into your group you don't like. If you mistakenly bring along a reject, don't invite them to the next event.

Blogger Samuel Nock October 11, 2017 9:04 PM  

"This result was baked in the cake"

BAKE THE CAKE!

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 11, 2017 9:13 PM  

Milkshakesuds wrote:At the risk of upsetting everyone I agree that young ladies should be admitted to the "BOY" Scouts.... Rather than protecting our young men from the inevitable radical gender hatreds, they should start to encounter them now so they will deal with them better as adults and not be victims in the workplace, family court, etc... Perhaps a merit badge on gender distress.

Once was the time a resourceful scout could treat a snakebite, find food, read a compass.

Now a scout must navigate family court, treat gender bias wounds in the workplace, and circumnavigate the peaks and valleys of precious, fragile feelings.


Nicely done, Jonathan Swift!
But hey, those merit badges sound useful in the modern post-racial global community.
I'll bet they will be required for the new Eagle rank--
Oh, wait... The Eagle is too nationalistic. We need to be GLOBAL citizens, not war-mongering quasi-military kids. So that'll have to be the Dove award instead.
yeah, those merit badges would definitely be required for the Dove award.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 11, 2017 9:16 PM  

@61  What's the method for making a capon?  I found one for sale once (frozen); it was considerably bigger than the usual chicken and tasted just fine.  It seems like that would be a good use for unwanted roosters.

@72  TWO merit badges for abortion, the more valuable for performing one (speculum and curette) rather than receiving one (coathanger).

Not that there's anything intrinsicly wrong with abortion (it can be bad or good), just observing.

@82  Heaven forbid the girls start liking boys (think the lesbians).

@83  Funny you should mention that... I recall an NPR piece some time ago about an "outsider artist" who painted an entire story about little girls whose genital anatomy was completely male, like he'd never seen a female naked.  I can't find anything conclusive about him now (the name Henry Darger pops up but no conclusive examples of the artwork).

Blogger dc.sunsets October 11, 2017 9:21 PM  

The era of large organizations is over. There will be no successor to the BSA. Only smaller, regional or niche organizations will emerge, and their importance will be restricted to "nearby" entities.

Mass "everything" is ending.

Blogger Darwinian Arminian October 11, 2017 9:28 PM  

Even into adulthood, I've still kept the habit of mentioning on resumes that I was an Eagle Scout. That's now officially done, goddammit. Vox is right, taking a step like this will only cheapen what used to be a sizable accomplishment that earned great respect. But I think we're in for yet another "surprise" in just how low the SJWs will end up sinking any value that the brand name even has left. My prediction: Since they can technically no longer even call it the "Boy" Scouts, we're going to see the management come out some time within the next five years and announce that after much deliberation over an appropriate name that reflects their new inclusive values they will now be changing the organization's official name to . . . "The Eagle Scouts." Now all you have to do to be one is join! And oh yes, buy one of their shirts.

No f#%*ing way.

At this point I'm so used to seeing SJWs subvert and colonize once-great institutions that when another one falls it doesn't get much more out of me than a snort of disgust. This is the first one that makes me want to adopt the Iron Bank principle of destruction; Not only will I now do all I can to smash them myself, I will also seek out the worst rivals they have and gladly help finance as many of them as I can until our common enemy breathes no more. I suppose that in the meantime I can slake my thirst for blood by making a donation to Alt Hero, but Vox . . . If you're still bringing Reconquista to converged grounds, I think there's now a new target that's positively begging for it. Just saying.

Anonymous Jack October 11, 2017 9:43 PM  

Order of the Arrow sounds like some special group inside the Spanish Falange. Check their emblem.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Falange_Espa%C3%B1ola_Tradicionalista_y_de_las_Juntas_de_Ofensiva_Nacional_Sindicalista

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 9:50 PM  

having girls who are used to age/rank/cohort-based troops try to integrate into a multi-generational immortal troop structure.

They won't. The structure will change to make them comfortable. Within a couple of generations, scouts will be 70-80% girls. The focus on objective achievements for patches and ranks will have been toned down or removed, replaced with personally-set goals and social group goals.

And the people involved will say it's a good thing girls want to be Scouts, because those lazy boys aren't interested these days.

Blogger David The Good October 11, 2017 10:05 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:@61  What's the method for making a capon?  I found one for sale once (frozen); it was considerably bigger than the usual chicken and tasted just fine.  It seems like that would be a good use for unwanted roosters.



It's rather nasty and not worth the bother. A rooster is tough, but if he's been eating well and wandering about, still has much better flavor than store-bought birds. Slow cooked, they are excellent. And the stock from the bones and neck is superb.

Anonymous Raker Tooth October 11, 2017 10:20 PM  

I don't know what they're like today; or in other areas, but about 15 years ago I was asked to put on one of my timbering tool demonstrations at a Royal Rangers gathering. The little kids seemed like any other kids, but between demonstrations I had a chance to learn more about the group. I was told that the training is equal to or more difficult than US Marine Corps training.
Sounded hard to believe until I started seeing the older guys, like 17 or 18. They -really- looked the part, and went around everywhere saying "Ooh-rah!" I always try to get peoples' senses involved in my demos; sight, sound, smell, and touch. So at the end, I ask if anybody wants to come up and try a few tools. Some tools I have to put away, foot adze for example, but crosscut saw and cedar rail splitting are safe enough. One of their older (scouts?) comes up, built like a tank. He takes the hickory maul (looks like caveman club) strikes the dogwood glut (wooden wedge) and the cedar log literally flies apart. The crowd was all oohs and ahs, while this guy hardly put any effort into it, grinning all the while. This is no exaggeration.
Might be worth looking into.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 11, 2017 10:21 PM  

"Rangers" feel free to use it, and don't worry about the Army Rangers minding they will be marching in high heels soon enough.

Blogger Gospace October 11, 2017 10:26 PM  

Icicle October 11, 2017 7:29 PM

They were also announcing no intention to admit boys and declaring that boys and girls are different and require different spaces.

So the boy-spaces get girls but the girl-spaces stay all-girls? Sounds about right.


Which is the way it is in Canada, which has coed Scouts Canada, and all girls Girl Scouts AND all girls Girl Guides. No all boy groups. I attend a camporee in Canada yearly, which is how I'm aware of this.

Blogger John Calabro October 11, 2017 10:28 PM  

Hey Vox you know in 1988 they change to allow female Scoutmaster after she sue them in the 1980s. According to the Boy Scouts, nearly a third of the group’s volunteers are women.

Come 2010 now a 2 year review on gay and trans scoutmasters and in January they have allow girls who identify as boys

The organization will rename it from the boys scouts of america to the scouts of america. I bet later if they don't just skip the name will become just the scouts (Due to kids of foreign backgrounds such as from Mexico) and then something else (since the name scout might trigger someone).

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boy-scouts-girls-20171011-story.html

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 11, 2017 10:34 PM  

@96  Nasty or not, I'd hoped for specifics (people sometimes WANT to know about the nastiness, in case they might sometime have to engage in it) but thanks for the feedback.

Yes, also using this to plot out a story line I've been working on for a year-plus.  Selected sperm for swine, sheep, goats, and further.  Growth rates for populations of everything from brine shrimp to dairy cattle.  It matters, at least if you insist on science in your science fiction.

Blogger scimitar October 11, 2017 10:42 PM  

This really sucks.. Women just can't abide men having and wanting a male only space. Boys need this too. Boys need to be away from their mothers and WOMEN. Boys are surrounded by women. This is just vindictive feminist b@itches yet again attacking a male institution... Pure spite.

Anonymous TL Guy October 11, 2017 10:54 PM  

My family and I support Trail Life USA for a variety of reasons. Trail Life: is masculine, allows centerfire rifles for teens, has Christian men sign a statement of faith, has local voting for policy change, and more.

In three years, Trail Life has hundreds of troops and more than 25,000 members. It's Alt-Scouting, and I'd encourage the Ilk to check it out.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 11, 2017 10:54 PM  

VD,

I assume you mean 'professional' Indians. Me and my cousins all found OA enriching, even if a little goofy.

2nd generation Eagle here. Gonna be a dad in 4 months, no way in hell we'll have a third generation of Eagle Scouts in MY family.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 11, 2017 10:57 PM  

They were also announcing no intention to admit boys and declaring that boys and girls are different and require different spaces.

Sounds like trying to make a virtue of necessity, because what boys would want to join the Girl Scouts anyhow?

replaced with personally-set goals and social group goals

Social promotions, just like the disasters known as public schools. No achievements necessary, other than to still be breathing year after year.

until it's just the girls and a few gay boys baking cookies

And that's the optimistic scenario; the pessimistic scenario is that 'scouting' devolves into nothing more than an app to check-in on occasionally through Facebook or Instagram.

Anonymous Avalanche October 11, 2017 11:11 PM  

@83 "On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country, to obey the Scout Law, to help other people at all times, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight."

They need three new badges that involving reading and then practicing what they've learned:

SJWAL
SJWADD
SJWAP

Alas for the Boy Scouts.

Anonymous Avalanche October 11, 2017 11:14 PM  

@90 "yeah, those merit badges would definitely be required for the Dove award."

Oh see? And here you come full circle! "Dove" (the skin lotion folks) have a whole campaign these past few years "celebrating" women of all sizes... So, another badge would have to be how to find a blue-haired pierced cow sexually attractive... (buh buh but: she has SOFT skin!)(It's tattooed and ugly, but it's soft!)

Anonymous Avalanche October 11, 2017 11:17 PM  

@93 "they will now be changing the organization's official name to . . . "The Eagle Scouts." "

Army already ran the trial of that:" when "Green Beret" became ANY slug who signed up... Whew, THAT didn't go over well!

Blogger Spartan October 11, 2017 11:25 PM  

@95: "The focus on objective achievements for patches and ranks will have been toned down or removed, replaced with personally-set goals and social group goals."

This has already occurred in Scouts Canada. They now say "Badges are not Personal Progression". My son's Troop actively discourages earning badges and is instead focused on "having fun". Additionally the uniform is generally ignored/de-emphasized.

The previous Challenge Badges with objective requirements have been replaced with Personal Achievement Badges where each Scout develops their own requirements. While requirements have to be approved by adult leaders the focus is "Personal Progression" and not "Meeting a Standard".

Outdoor skills badges (9 of them) remain objective and are broken into 9 stages each. Stages 1-2 are meant for Beavers (age 5-7) and so forth.

The Chief Scout Award (rough equivalent to Eagle) has been absolutely gutted. The Citizenship and Personal Fitness sections have been removed. There is no minimum requirement for outdoor skills, only an accumulation of stages. For the Chief Scout a total of 18 stages is required. So Stage 2 (Beaver level skills) in all 9 areas is perfectly acceptable.

You can accumulate 18 stages without spending a single night camping or a single mile on the trail.

The top award has gone from something difficult and rare to achieve, to what is essentially a participation award for sticking with Scouts for the full 4 years.

Naturally, my son said nuts to that and is now in Army Cadets. He was the 4th generation in my family to be a Scout. If Scouts Canada continues on the path they're on, I doubt there will be a 5th.

Anonymous 11B October 11, 2017 11:34 PM  

Doesn't Camp Fire already allow boys and girls in addition to gays? Somehow that doesn't seem to have increased their membership. They still trail the BSA and GSA by significant numbers.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 11, 2017 11:41 PM  

Settle down and listen up. This is great news if you're willing to seize the opportunity.

You don't have to start another organization. You can do everything you want with a genuine Boy Scout Troop without any of the SJW convergence nonsense.

Boy Scouts are just about the most de-centralized organization you can find today and one of the easiest to avoid nonsense with. The converged idiots down in Irving, TX run just about bupkiss. Every "unit" (pack, troop, crew) is "owned", staffed, and run (including setting membership criteria for both youth and adults) by a local organization called the "Charter Org."

The charter org selects every single adult leader that participates in the program. Also has complete control over what youth are admitted or allowed to stay.

What is this charter org? Most often it's a local church, but it can be literally anything. A VFW post, a Fire Fighters guild, a for-profit company, or a non-profit org. You can form one yourself - file the paperwork to get your IRS designation, then to sign up as a Charter Org, you need four adults and five kids. That's it. You're running your own troop or pack or crew, and you're deciding who your adults are and who your youth are. But BSA is insuring you against any lawsuits. You also have access to a lot of BSA owned camps and what not. Your choice if you want to use them - you can get cheap campsites off-season if you don't want to take a chance of running into a diversity troop in summer.

You can teach the old-school Baden-Powell style scouting, and nobody from Irving is going to say boo as long as you're sending in those $15 yearly dues for each youth and adult. You pick your leaders, you pick your youth, you pick your program.

That's what we did. And when a scout transferred from another troop and on his second campout told the other scouts about his gay escapades, we kicked him out (and that was a really difficult conversation I had with his dad who didn't know).

Bottom line: you can run your own non-converged troop.

And, the really great thing about this new girls-okay policy? You can use the same setup to run your own non-converged girls program too! Girl Scouts is a feminist mess. Set up a separate Girl's Troop and run it like you want.

If anybody want's tips on how to do this, let me know. It's really, really easy (well, except of course for the time you put in working with the kids, but then, you want to do that or else you leave some other weirdo in charge).

Anonymous Clay October 11, 2017 11:44 PM  

I too, am an Eagle Scout, and member of the Order of the Arrow.

I had thought, years ago, the BSA had changed their name to the homogenized "Scouts of America"...or, some such nonsense. I quit paying attention to them at that time.

Blogger Dexter October 11, 2017 11:46 PM  

So hey now we have to worry about hetero Scoutmasters molesting our daughters as well as homo Scoutmasters molesting our sons. Awesome!

Blogger Michael October 11, 2017 11:47 PM  

Curious question. I am not a Protestant, but a Roman catholic. I have an 8 year old grandson whom attends a Baptist Church with a trail life troop. What sort of article of faith do they require me to Sign?

I would suspect that they might discriminate against me because I don't see religon their way or be nice and try to convert me. But I would be interested in a program that my grandson and I could do together.

Is the statement on line, and could you put in alink?

Anonymous Jack Amok October 11, 2017 11:50 PM  

Eagle rank was debased long, long ago, mostly by parents who do the work for the kid so little Johnny can have his special award. You can earn it with 21 night's camping total. Most years, our troop has several scouts who double that in a single year.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright October 11, 2017 11:50 PM  

A number of things:

I suspect, Vox, that the problem is that they are already losing boys.

After they voted to let in gay boys, I spoke to one of the higher ups. He told me that they expected to loose about 6 to 10% of the boys.

I have heard that, in many areas, the numbers are more like 40 to 60% losses. People dropping out due to that decision.

The Catholics started their own group. Some other churches have their own group, too.

The Heritage Girls, who had been paired with the Boy Scouts--after the Boy Scouts broke with the Girl Scouts some years back--broke with the Boy Scouts over the gay issue.

The main backbone of the Boy Scouts is the LDS Troops...because the Mormon church puts all their boys in Boy Scouts, basically.

But I have heard that even they are trying to organize their own organization. (Difficult, if you think of the tremendous amount of wealth in land that the BSA has, but not impossible.)

So...everyone who has backbone is bailing, leaving less and less people of integrity inside the Boy Scouts.

Further, they are facing some MASSIVE bills due to lawsuits...they were fined 120 million in a case of a Scoutmaster who abused a boy just recently, and I hear there were other such cases.

They already have girls in Venturing...ages 14 to 21. And many other countries have girls in Scouting, so they probably think it won't matter. Also, at least at the younger levels, they say that the individual dens will be single sex, even if the Packs are mixed.

But... I suspect, as you do, that this is the beginning of the end.

As an admirer of Lord Baden-Powell and all that he stood for, I find this heartbreaking.

Blogger Thucydides October 11, 2017 11:56 PM  

The Baden Powell Scouts are based on the traditional scouting principles elucidated by Lord Baden Powell, who is the father and founder of the Scouting movement:

https://www.bpsa-us.org

While they may not go full Baden-Powell (he envisioned Scouts being used as paramilitary auxiliaries to the main force, for example) and the shooting badge with a Lee Enfield rifle probably isn't part of the package, it is probably as close as you can get to the real thing.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 11, 2017 11:58 PM  

Buh buh but: she has SOFT skin!

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 11, 2017 11:59 PM  

JAG October 11, 2017 6:56 PM

And recall, the BSA didn't have to be converged. They actually won in court over the deviants, but decided to roll over anyway. I think they wanted to lose the case as cover for switching to the deviant leftist model, but were shocked that they won. Plan B had to be put into action instead.

As I recall the problem was escalated into a financial crisis. This started when Obama kicked the BSA out of Ft. A. P. Hill where they used to have the Jamboree. The BSA was going to set up a private site for $50 million or so, but somehow they got talked into a real fiasco. Like a $400 million commitment.

Now they had made themselves extremely vulnerable, and that's when the SJWs pounced. They pressured all the big corporate sponsors of the BSA. The BSA buckled.

Guess who but Rex Tillertson had a big hand in all this chicanery. These were dirty deeds.

Anonymous Clay October 12, 2017 12:15 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:Eagle rank was debased long, long ago, mostly by parents who do the work for the kid so little Johnny can have his special award. You can earn it with 21 night's camping total. Most years, our troop has several scouts who double that in a single year.



That's pretty sorry. While I don't doubt your word, Jack. Can I see
where you get your info from?

You can Google St. Mary's Catholic Church thru Google Earth. In Jackson, MS.

Notice that huge chain-link fence line between the church and the border of the property and St. Charles Ave.

One of my tasks to become an Eagle Scout, was to clean all the vines off that fence. I chose that "task" myself. Took me damn near 3 months. The EPA would NOT have been happy with my usage of used motor oil to keep those vines from growing again.

I also helped the nuns at the local Carmelite Nunnery, to upkeep their "bird garden" in their backyard.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 12, 2017 12:42 AM  

Clay, you can check the requirements on any website. Boy Scout Trail is a good one.

But what it boils down to - and what I really want people to get from my other post about starting your own unit and your own charter org - is that the requirements are what the leaders of your unit make of them.

The Eagle Project is a huge variable. Totally depends on what the Scoutmaster is willing to approve. We've seen kids in other troops do a canned food drive or a blood drive as their Eagle project, and in reality Mom did all the actual work for her little 13 year old Eagle.

But we set the bar higher. More than just pure work, we want the kid to organize and lead a project too. Funny, at a recent Eagle Court of Honor for one of our guys, a visitor snarkily remarked that he saw a lot of adults doing the work (he project was replacing all the pews at an very old local church with new ones, all the woodworking done by our volunteers). I pointed out the new Eagle Scout working as the foreman for the crew, organizing and leading a half dozen adults in the project.

The thing we tell all our guys is that every award the get has exactly the amount of value they put give it. Each of them, whether they just earned Eagle or Tenderfoot or just a measly old merit badge, they know what went into the award, so they know how much it's worth.

You know how much work it was to clear those vines. That's how much your Eagle means to you. Some kid whose mom collected some cans for the homeless shelter and handed in his application? He knows what his Eagle is worth to him too. Not the same thing, is it?

And it'll be the same variable with girls earning it too. Credentialism is nonsense anyway - the value of an Eagle Rank is whatever you learned, whatever part of you you developed, in the process.

Anonymous Pitchfork Rebel October 12, 2017 12:46 AM  

This is great news for Trail Life USA.

They'll double membership in two years.

Besides, who could possibly have a problem with mixed sex teenagers to camp out in the woods in close-by quarters. Pretty sure they'll need a Contraception merit badge.

Anonymous Luke October 12, 2017 1:01 AM  

62. Mister Excitement October 11, 2017 7:14 PM
@54

"The first thing I thought of when I saw the "she" in the letter was the picture of the black female cadets all raising the Black Power fists.

The Lieutenant Colonel was teaching there at the time of this incident.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/us/west-point-cadets-photo/index.html"


I've always wondered this about the black power salute. Is its origin from hanging on the back of garbage trucks, or hanging from tree limbs. Since black women do it, too, I figure more likely the latter, but I'd like to know for certain.

Anonymous Clay October 12, 2017 1:29 AM  

Thanks, Jack. I was wondering myself if the Scoutmaster had as much control as you seem to implicate.

BTW. I should have indicated. I have all the Palms, too. 63 Merit Badges. At the time, I was the youngest Scout to recieve the Eagle Scout award in the state of Mississippi....signed the award by Gerald R. Ford.

It's framed, and on my wall to this day.

My daughter stole all my other Scout stuff, to keep for her kids. Including my old Boy Sout's hand book, my silk Eagle neckerchief, my sash wit all my merit badged, those goofy medals you used to wear on your belt, the belt itself...she got it all.

Thats OK. I know she will take care of that stuff.

Anonymous Dirk Gently October 12, 2017 1:30 AM  

"Scouting had been penetrated by corporate interests long ago, as local counsels, staffed with local businessmen, had, in many places, sold off scout assets for a steal in cronyistic deals."


Another reason to hate baby-booomers.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright October 12, 2017 1:34 AM  

I know a gentleman who has been Scouting for 82 years. He did not get Eagle because, back then, Eagle was REALLY HARD!

I'm proud that my son made Eagle. It was a real challenge for him. But I know it is nothing now compared to what it once was.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright October 12, 2017 1:34 AM  

I am also pleased that my son waited long enough for his Court of Honor that we have a letter of accommodation signed by Trump...instead of Obama.

Anonymous Clay October 12, 2017 1:39 AM  

Dirk Gently wrote:"Scouting had been penetrated by corporate interests long ago, as local counsels, staffed with local businessmen, had, in many places, sold off scout assets for a steal in cronyistic deals."

Another reason to hate baby-booomers.



Ya know something, Jerk Gently...you guys are making those boomers look good.

Whatever ya'll are.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 12, 2017 1:41 AM  

Another scouting type organization that is national and international:
Here is the pledge to the Christian flag and the Bible.

https://www.pathfindersonline.org/about-pathfinders/basics/19-club2/7-pledge-to-the-flag-and-the-bible

However, it is co-ed, not single sex and so isn't a complete replacement of the Boy Scouts. While I'm pretty sure that somebody, somewhere, sometime has used their position to do something inappropriate with children in this organization, it is likely rare given the public and private stance of the sponsoring church on homosexuality and premarital sex.

Blogger Bob Loblaw October 12, 2017 1:43 AM  

That's what we did. And when a scout transferred from another troop and on his second campout told the other scouts about his gay escapades, we kicked him out (and that was a really difficult conversation I had with his dad who didn't know).

How many years ago was this? Can't imagine you could get away with it today.

Blogger Bob Loblaw October 12, 2017 1:47 AM  

And recall, the BSA didn't have to be converged. They actually won in court over the deviants, but decided to roll over anyway. I think they wanted to lose the case as cover for switching to the deviant leftist model, but were shocked that they won. Plan B had to be put into action instead.

The lever the SJWs used to pry open the BSA was all the schools, community centers, and military bases which hosted scout troops. Threatened with the loss of facilities they decided the easiest thing would be to just give in.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 12, 2017 2:00 AM  

How many years ago was this? Can't imagine you could get away with it today.

It was this year Bob. Yep, way back in June of 2017. Current Year.

I'm serious when I say the charter org runs the show. We told the local Scout Executive (the representative of BSA national) what we were going to do and he said...

... we'll support you in whatever decision you make.

The charter org really does own the unit. It makes all the decisions. Run your charter org, and your kid's scouting experience is what you want it to be.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 12, 2017 3:12 AM  

BTW. I should have indicated. I have all the Palms, too. 63 Merit Badges. ,

We have a question we ask guys. Which was your favorite?

Yeah, the Scoutmaster - or at least the community organization that appoints him - has a lot of control. One of the revelations Lord Baden-Powell had was that young men needed the guidance of respectable men from their village. The locals. BSA, back in the depths of time, organized themselves to empower the local volunteers.

Blogger papabear October 12, 2017 4:44 AM  

Jack Amok.

Why be associated with the BSA at all? Just to make use of their facilities? Discounts on materials? What about being tainted by association with the national organization, or other troops wearing the same uniforms but living under different ideals?

Blogger pyrrhus October 12, 2017 5:48 AM  

Years back, I talked with a friend who was a BSA executive...He said they were worried about the 3 Gs--Gays, Girls, and God...There was already a Citizen of the World badge (which we mocked by calling it Citizen of the Galaxy), so the trend was obvious.

Blogger pyrrhus October 12, 2017 6:03 AM  

@80 Our oldest made Life, then lost interest in the Eagle, along with several friends, when the political and bureaucratic hurdles to doing the project became apparent. He really enjoyed the hard physical challenges, such as the 9 day hike at Philmont,and they were already being watered down in his troop.

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Blogger Aggie - October 12, 2017 8:37 AM  

If your kid has a sex change on the way to Eagle Scout, will it involve having to buy a different uniform?

Blogger Noel Bon Tempo October 12, 2017 9:29 AM  

In about ten years the rank of Eagle Scout will be about as meaningful as having been named Student of the Month in the sixth grade.

Anonymous Dan G October 12, 2017 9:35 AM  

TRAIL LIFE. Boy Scouts the way they were meant to be, and unabashedly Christian. All your badges and achievements transfer, and the structure has been up and running for 3 years.

Blogger Roger G2 October 12, 2017 9:58 AM  

I don’t know how the rank of Eagle Scout is achieved, whether it’s a set course or school, but I’ll assume the outcome will be similar to when the first females went to Ranger school-IIRC, on the 3rd attempt(lol) generals were present at the course to ensure everything went well for the candidates, which would make Obama and the SJW chiefs smile, pacified.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 12, 2017 10:53 AM  

Papabear,

Sure, go ahead and find your own insurance and everything else. You can do that.

But whatever you do, make sure there's a program like what Scouting was started as available for the young men in your community. It really is an important thing, and BSA is so federated, YOU control how it runs.

If, that is, you do the work, and it ain't a trivial amount of work.

Anonymous BBGKB October 12, 2017 10:58 AM  

Shitlibs celebrated jews forcing BOY SCOUTS to take trannies back in January.


http://www.towleroad.com/2017/01/boy-scouts-admit-transgender-boys-historic-shift/

There are no trannies out there willing to camp in the woods without boy cots.

Blogger otwelmr October 12, 2017 10:59 AM  

In addition, they are explicitly Christian. The first requirement to be a registered leader is a profession of Christian faith in Christ. My church chartered a troop last fall and is growing quickly.

Blogger Gospace October 12, 2017 11:00 AM  

Jack Amok October 11, 2017 11:41 PM
Settle down and listen up. This is great news if you're willing to seize the opportunity.

You don't have to start another organization. You can do everything you want with a genuine Boy Scout Troop without any of the SJW convergence nonsense......


And that's completely right. Scouts doesn't run without the volunteers, and the volunteers run the troops.

As far as Eagle projects go, bureaucratic hurdles I've seen are when a Scout tries to do something for government of some sort, rather then for Church or American Legion or VFW, or something of the sort. Yeah,BSA paperwork to document the project and phases, but that's minor. And all can be done online and printed out.

Anonymous BBGKB October 12, 2017 11:10 AM  

Otto
Five years from now, the Boy Scouts won't exist.


Jews will have no problem appropriating the rest of the Boy Scouts ASSets

Blogger Frank Gappa October 12, 2017 11:10 AM  

What parent of a girl would enroll their daughter in the BOY scouts? It doesn't make any sense especially when there is an equal organization that exists for girls called the GIRL scouts. Is this an appeasement of the trans crowd where these kids are in transition? Girls becoming boys? I makes no sense.

Blogger tweell October 12, 2017 11:16 AM  

Trail Life and their partner organization American Heritage Girls are mostly run by Baptist churches, but there's plenty of Catholic churches in there as well. As long as it's a Christian organization, it's welcome to charter a troop. This isn't proof against SJW infiltration, but what is?

Anonymous BBGKB October 12, 2017 11:23 AM  

"The scout master guy is just so not masculine. Very soft spoken and non assertive. Makes my skin crawl."

His own son is involved in this troop? If not, run fast.


His adopted niglet son.

Blogger haus frau October 12, 2017 11:32 AM  

I was listening to talk radio, Lars Larsen, about this decision yesterday. It was interesting because the callers defending this decision mainly sited the girl scouts extreme left wing descent for why they wanted to put their girls in boy scouts. One woman had been a girl scout leader and said that the girl scouts discouraged family involvement, that they wanted to get the girls away from parents and then give them heavy indoctrination in sjw topics. The girl girls go so far as to teach 12 year old girls about venereal disease and birth control. Apparently a lot of parents had been asking the boy scouts to allow girls in because it is a more conservative group. So the outflow of normal and conservative leaning people from girl scouts is putting pressure on boy scout to converge. How ironic.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 12, 2017 12:17 PM  

Apparently a lot of parents had been asking the boy scouts to allow girls in because it is a more conservative group. So the outflow of normal and conservative leaning people from girl scouts is putting pressure on boy scout to converge. How ironic.

That sums up a lot of our parents. Girl Scouts is exactly what you say. Add "hostile to fathers" as well. It's also really poorly run, and keeps tighter control over the units than BSA does.

I had a half dozen dads from our troop contact me yesterday, asking when their daughters can join. They don't want them anywhere near Girl Scouts.

Anyway, I'm not convinced this is as "converged" as people think. BSA has allowed girls 14 to 21 to be members of a Venturing Crew or Sea Scout Ship for decades. The charter org has the option to run venturing programs as all male, all female, or co-ed, as the org wishes. You can run two crews if you want, one for the girls and one for the boys. They can share equipment, facilities, etc. I expect this new program will be the same - and we'll probably choose to run two, one for boys and one for girls.

I predict, whatever the impact on Boy Scouts from this decision, that it will hasten the demise of the Girl Scout program, and that by itself will be a good thing.

Blogger Peter Jackson October 12, 2017 12:46 PM  

[T]he organization evaluated the results of numerous research efforts, gaining input from current members and leaders, as well as parents and girls who've never been involved in Scouting...

Of course they did.

Blogger Kep Hartman October 12, 2017 3:09 PM  

Eagle Scout and Scoutmaster here. There is a lot of good vs evil thinking here, and I have to say an emotional reaction is tempting. Looking at this more clearly, they talk is that there will be separate boy and girl units to preserve the single-gender association concept. I've been a strong and vocal proponent in my troop that boys need to get away from women and girls and just be with other males. But our society sure is pushing grrrrl-power. (dammit!) A potential positive is that we can make some tough, traditional women. My daughter is not yet old enough for Scouts, but I would not trust her in the harridan's SJW den of Girl Scouts! Bringing her into Boy Scouts---separated and no camping!---could be good for my family and help us live more virtuous lives. The commenter upthread who mentioned that we already have a conservative beachhead in a converged organization has a great point. How else are we going to win if we do not fight somewhere? Scouts is as good a place as any!!! And yes, I do blame the corporacracy for this substantial tilt leftward.

Blogger bobby October 12, 2017 3:25 PM  

One big caveat that I (and I think everyone else) missed in the initial announcement:

They're not talking about mixed-gender dens and troops. They will be single-sex. The change will be that BSA will operate girls' groups as well as boys' groups.

So, maybe not as bad as feared . . .

Blogger Gospace October 12, 2017 4:43 PM  

Peter Jackson October 12, 2017 12:46 PM
[T]he organization evaluated the results of numerous research efforts, gaining input from current members and leaders, as well as parents and girls who've never been involved in Scouting...


They got lots of input from current volunteer leaders. And ignored it. But reading through the comments, Jack Amok pretty much sums everything up correctly. Several of our volunteer leaders with girls wouldn't let them anywhere near GSA. But none of the female parents were motivated enough to start a Frontier Girls unit. And a man would have to be insane to start a girls youth group.

Anonymous Sim1776 October 12, 2017 7:23 PM  

I am an Eagle Scout and this is the last straw. The convergence is complete and I'm completely disgusted. Baden-Powell must be doing flips in his grave at this point.

I can see the OA initiations now, "Brother Mateo bids you to whisper quietly..."

I'll be looking for alternatives with which to volunteer when my boys leave in a few years.

Blogger papabear October 12, 2017 7:56 PM  

Why should girls be scouting as opposed to learning domestic skills?

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 13, 2017 3:20 AM  

@157 To raise virtuous sons, of course.

@155 But none of the female parents were motivated enough to start a Frontier Girls unit. And a man would have to be insane to start a girls youth group.

It would have to be a husband and wife job. He starts both, and she leads the girls under his direction. I know it must seem rare as hen's teeth now, but wives make fine XOs under a capable husband's leadership.

For those planning a Jack Amock style troop, is there any merit to adding a Reconquista-style pledge to the troop's oath, to take back the BSA for God and country?

Anonymous Jehoshaphat October 14, 2017 8:37 PM  

They desperately need members. The LDS church was like 40% of BSA, and they recently left en masse. #mypaycheckmatters

Also- Scouts was dead back in 2003, when I was in high school. In my troop, the scout masters were moms, and the scouts were weird. I would not advise my son to join the scouts.

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