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Sunday, October 01, 2017

The players crumble

The NFL players are beginning to grasp that it is futile to fight the God-Emperor on rhetorical grounds:
Only 11 NFL players did not stand during the national anthem during the first set of games Sunday. That is a stark contrast from the 180 who kneeled last week, according to ESPN’s Darren Rovell.
This is why it is always a good idea to stop and think before reacting. Especially when you're dealing with an opponent who is very, very good at anticipating the other side's probable reaction.

It will be amusing to see how the owners who supported the protests will now try to climb back after leaping to take the side of the players.

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59 Comments:

Blogger pyrrhus October 01, 2017 5:55 PM  

So money DOES talk...

Blogger Markku October 01, 2017 6:04 PM  

With "See, NOBODY was REALLY against the flag, anthem or nation as evidenced by the fact that now that the message is delivered, they no longer have any problem standing"

Blogger Howard Stone October 01, 2017 6:05 PM  

In that alternate universe where Hillary won the election, I can imagine her at a Patriots home game being escorted out to the 50 yard line surrounded by secret service. She wears a hijab. A large cushion is placed at her feet. The anthem plays. She ,with the aid of two secret service officers, takes a knee. The psyop is complete.

Blogger Mr. Naron October 01, 2017 6:06 PM  

They couldn't convince anyone that they weren't protesting the flag because idiot Kaepernick's words clearly show otherwise. Plus, the "awareness" drove people to look into the police brutality issue only to find a much different story than what the players believe. Trump knew they would try to have it both ways.

Anonymous Gr8 Again October 01, 2017 6:09 PM  

Darn. I was kinda hoping this would go on much longer. Normies were being red-pilled big time. They left hates America and they hate you.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 01, 2017 6:17 PM  

@1 pyrrhus

NFL, because of the way their money flows are structured, will lose negligible amounts of money this year. It's the Years to come that's the problem for them.

But the real key is something learned from GamerGate: Complaining about a company's support doesn't do much; talking nicely to the the Brand Managers gets things done. All organizations are run by a fairly small number of final decision makers, so if you hit them up, things start getting dicey.

The C-level suits and VPs in the major Advertisers were probably getting hell from their own parents about the NFL. A-B setup a freaking hotline specifically *for* this. That means the Suits in the major funding companies for the NFL are getting an ear full. Which means the League Office and Owners are hearing it as well from their advertisers.

And all this because Trump did a Chad move on the NFL Owners. The Rhetorical Attack was to push over the idiots then high-ground them with the Flag, but the second layer was that the Owners mostly don't like Trump. Well, it means they "wanted to be liked". Just because you're a ruthless businessman, it doesn't make you an Alpha like Trump. And, well, it showed.

Blogger Zimri October 01, 2017 6:20 PM  

Still not watching the Texans unless they tell us which members of the team demanded the Unity Arm Link, and they're fined for causing a scene and/or spoiling the locker room. I will settle from an admission from the team management that they done @#$%ed up.

Blogger tz October 01, 2017 6:27 PM  

The problem with being a mind numbed robot is that anyone can press your control buttons.

Blogger Ostar October 01, 2017 6:33 PM  

At least some networks handled the anthem furor this week by just not televising that portion.
(Don't know which - it was on in the barbershop.)

Blogger Johnny October 01, 2017 6:34 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:it doesn't make you an Alpha like Trump...

I throw a flag on the Alpha thing. No matter where you are in the alphabet, you do what is smart in the circumstance if you are competent. The God Emperor called them on it, and lacking popular support, it was only how much they would lose. A true Alpha would be looking for a way out of the mess because it was a matter of limiting losses. The sooner the better.

Blogger Dave October 01, 2017 6:35 PM  

This ain't over by a long shot. First the NFL must put out a statement similar to the NBA concerning their anthem policy. Then we see if they enforce it same as they do if a player doesn't have enough white showing on their socks.

Blogger VD October 01, 2017 6:42 PM  

No matter where you are in the alphabet, you do what is smart in the circumstance if you are competent.

That's totally untrue.

Anonymous BBGKB October 01, 2017 6:58 PM  

Darn. I was kinda hoping this would go on much longer. Normies were being red-pilled big time. They left hates America and they hate you

Is it too late to get BOYCOTT NFL t shirts/hoodies out, I was hoping cryptofashion would come out with some.
I was going to have

Anonymous Jack Amok October 01, 2017 7:02 PM  

This is why it is always a good idea to stop and think before reacting.

But Trump timed his tweet to force them into acting without time to put together any focus groups, consult with their advertisers, or really do any sort of thinking. He provoked the BLMs and the SJWs in the news organizations, and bingo, they responded from the heart with a big ol' middle finger to America.

The league is backing down, but it may be too late to just back down. "Just kidding, we really didn't mean to tell all of you to eff off..." I have a son who's learning to drive, so I spent about 90 minutes with him today just driving around town. I saw one Seahawk's flag. One. Usually there would be one or two per block on Sunday. They stepped in it but good.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 01, 2017 7:06 PM  

@10 Johnny

Jerry Jones was trying to virtue signal & split the difference. Jerry Jones. Trump pulled a Chad move on the entire ownership group and most of them didn't have a clue how to respond. The smart ones said practically nothing and told their employees to stand and not make a fuss.

This wasn't a Business Deal that comes down to Leverage. It was a Media Rhetorical Assault and most clearly didn't know what to do. (I still think this was preplanned with Kraft.) Instinctual Virtue Signaling is a bad place to be in life.

Blogger Keith October 01, 2017 7:18 PM  

A lot of them held up Black Power fists though

And a lot of players kneeled before the anthem for a moment. The Ravens were so insulting to call it a "moment of prayer"

Anonymous Causal Lurker October 01, 2017 7:19 PM  

The God Emperor is operating several cycles inside the NFL's aggregated OODA loop.

Somewhere, COL Boyd looks on and smiles. Worse for the NFL, he has the extra-large bucket of chicken on hand. This one won't burn out for a loooong time.

Blogger James Dixon October 01, 2017 7:41 PM  

> It will be amusing to see how the owners who supported the protests will now try to climb back after leaping to take the side of the players.

"Their point has been made.", "We've started a discussion about the issues.", etc., etc.

No one will believe them.

Blogger seeingsights October 01, 2017 7:41 PM  

Trump's comments were a pre-calculated, Nixon-like tactic to get a majority of Americans against the Left. Even before Trump's comments, polls had shown that a majority of Americans disapproved of Kaepernick not standing for the National Anthem.

In another thread on this blog I said let Trump pursue Nixon-like tactics to get the Left riled up, so as to get the rest of America against the Left. I pointed out that Nixon got re-elected with about 60 percent of the vote, and won 49 out of 50 states.

The Nazi LARPers/Stormfronters replied to me here saying that Nixon was forced out of office.

My reply here: The fact that Nixon resigned is due to no fault in the tactics he used--tactics which contributed to a landslide victory.

The argument used by the Alt Retards who replied to me is a kind of ad hominem. Its like saying that a military person should not study the military actions of Rommel because Rommel was ultimately defeated.

The Alt Retards reply to me actually is another example of the tremendous lack of practical sense the Alt Retards have.



Anonymous VFM #6306 October 01, 2017 7:47 PM  

This was pretty much Rourke's Drift on a playing field.

Anonymous Anonymous October 01, 2017 7:50 PM  

@19

He's also using the same strategy against the cucks in his own party with DACA.
This is where we get to see who the gammas are in the MAGA ranks: because at this point we're seeing the results of his DACA moves with 3 ryan-wing primary defeats or forfeitures and they're still bashing Trump for "betrayal"

Anonymous Luke October 01, 2017 7:56 PM  

The NFL owners need (ideally all of them in unison, individually if need be) should announce that the kneeling and black power saluting by their employees on company time/property is OVER, and that any employee who does it even once henceforth, has submitted a nontakebackable letter of resignation (and then live up to that). Anything less, and they're gutshot WRT nondiversities supporting them.

Anonymous Keep the peace October 01, 2017 7:57 PM  

It was very cool of the players to put the good of the country first. They didnt have to but they chose to. I applaud them.

Anonymous Steveo October 01, 2017 7:58 PM  

Keith wrote:A lot of them held up Black Power fists though

And a lot of players kneeled before the anthem for a moment. The Ravens were so insulting to call it a "moment of prayer"


Keep that up and they will be praying...

For a bazillion spectators to return - they could not have planned to hash this crap out in public in a worse way, at a worse time. Changing demographics demanded a much longer transition period to keep the good dough flowing... not.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 01, 2017 7:59 PM  

Luke wrote:The NFL owners need (ideally all of them in unison, individually if need be) should announce that the kneeling and black power saluting by their employees on company time/property is OVER, and that any employee who does it even once henceforth, has submitted a nontakebackable letter of resignation (and then live up to that). Anything less, and they're gutshot WRT nondiversities supporting them.

The NFL/owners aren't going to take back anything while they still support Goddell. The first move they should be making is to demand Goddell's resignation. Too many of them are afraid to do that, so the league is going to continue it's slow decline.

Anonymous Luke October 01, 2017 8:01 PM  

Oh, and the ENTIRE offensive line that threw the game (Raiders?) should be fired and blackballed. It's not like big fat or fast-sprinting blacks are in short supply in this country.

Anonymous Jeff October 01, 2017 8:17 PM  

This has been a most excellent weekend for the God Emperor. He not only crushed it on the NFL front, but also on Puerto Rico.

So much winning.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 01, 2017 8:25 PM  

They couldn't convince anyone that they weren't protesting the flag because idiot Kaepernick's words clearly show otherwise.

Right. The media has been trying to frame it as if they never had anything against the anthem, but just happened to pick that moment to hold their righteous, unrelated protest. But that's obviously nonsense, because if it wasn't about the anthem, they would have done it literally any other time. When ordinary, non-famous people protest, they might seek out a controversial moment with cameras present in order to draw more attention. But these guys have attention any time they want it -- even sometimes when they don't want it.

So they're not going to be happy about standing for the anthem, no matter what alternative protest they're encouraged to do, because it is about the anthem. But they will stand for it, if the league wants them to. The league always beats the players. The only question was whether the owners themselves were converged enough that they'd side with the players against their own customers. Looks like they aren't.

Now the question will be whether fans will buy the narrative that it was all an unfortunate misunderstanding, never really about the anthem, everyone's happy and united again now that our awareness has been raised about whatever it was. I'm guessing most will. At least enough that whatever drop in ratings lingers will soon be hard to distinguish from the drop that was already happening from things like people cutting cable and concussion fears.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 01, 2017 8:45 PM  

Wondering what the next player move is. Bogus "moment of prayer" like the Ravens? Standing, but with black-power fists up? The can't back down now, because they haven't really paid a price and the push from #OnlyBlackLivesMatter to get white viewers "woke" is still there.

Not done with this yet. It's gonna smoulder on at least as long as Goodell is in charge.

Blogger Dave October 01, 2017 9:02 PM  

Not done with this yet. It's gonna smoulder on at least as long as Goodell is in charge.

Agree. As I posted most people will take a wait and see approach. The first step is the NFL issuing a statement on their anthem policy and then we watch to see what the follow-up is.

Blogger Nate October 01, 2017 10:09 PM  

I view this as evidence that the story out of Oakland was accurate.

Anonymous Pitchfork Rebel October 01, 2017 10:16 PM  

Had the misfortune of seeing the NFL while eating dinner at local steakhouse.

There was a league commercial-all kinds of flags, patriotic themes and a shot of Pat Tillman playing for the Cardinals-I hate liars.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 01, 2017 10:19 PM  

@ Cail Corishev:

No, it's about the flag. And don't say "Right" and then talk about the anthem.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 01, 2017 10:39 PM  

No, it's about the flag.

Fair enough, I wasn't trying to reframe it, just sloppy wording on my part. I have heard claims that the anthem is also racist because it was written when slavery was legal, but I don't know how much that's an after-the-fact excuse.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 01, 2017 10:45 PM  

I have heard claims that the anthem is also racist because it was written when slavery was legal, but I don't know how much that's an after-the-fact excuse.

If that's a new talking point it is sauce so weak you would pour it on top of regular weak sauce just to weaken it even more.

So probably true. Lulz.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 01, 2017 10:54 PM  

No, it's about the flag. And don't say "Right" and then talk about the anthem.

Flag and anthem are for practical purposes the same thing here. No need to sperg out. We're all on the same page about this.

Rephrase it as "it's about the nation" if it helps. The kneelers don't want to be part of the same nation as us.

Unless of course we ever actually kick them out. Then they'll want back in. And probably protest the flag and the anthem for that too.

Blogger ZhukovG October 01, 2017 11:03 PM  

@Nate: My thoughts exactly. I think a bunch of folks felt a serious puckering of the posterior when they realized the implications.

Blogger Lazarus October 01, 2017 11:48 PM  

Even people who don't care about sports are starting to hate the NFL. Like people who get taxed to subsidize franchises. They did not even give it a thought until the minstrel show brought attention to it.

Blogger Lazarus October 01, 2017 11:58 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:@Nate: My thoughts exactly. I think a bunch of folks felt a serious puckering of the posterior when they realized the implications.

Realizing implications involves the same set of skills as long versus short time preferences.

Anonymous FP October 02, 2017 12:08 AM  

This is just hilarious, hiding behind Oakland Raiders staff during the anthem:

https://deadspin.com/marshawn-lynch-stays-hidden-for-the-national-anthem-1819042183

Blogger Markku October 02, 2017 12:11 AM  

The USA national anthem connects the flag and the anthem in a unique way, that I don't know any other anthem to do. It's actually ABOUT the flag, when all anthems I know the lyrics for, are about the country.

We stand for our anthem too, and there's usually a flag present - possibly even raised during it. But it's completely incidental. However, the USA anthem is about being proud of the flag, and it makes a lot less sense if there's no actual flag there. Hence, in this case it's about the interplay between the anthem and the flag. It is immediately obvious to me that the kneeling intends to say, "we are not proud of our flag at this moment, even if this song is saying we are".

Blogger ZhukovG October 02, 2017 12:25 AM  

@Markku: I have always felt that we got a poor deal on our national anthem. It's essentially an awkward poem about a battle few people even know about set to a mediocre melody.

But I guess it'll have to do.

Blogger Markku October 02, 2017 12:36 AM  

It also creates a unique problem. Our anthem, for example, is just praise for the geographical area inside the borders. You have to RRRREALLY hate Finland to have a problem with that.

But being about the flag, the USA anthem is really about the FEDERATION. So, it raises the question, what is it that the protester protests FOR, when he protests against USA. If said protester had a confederate shirt on, I'd say GO PROTESTER!!!! But what these people protest for, is something a lot worse than the Federation.

Blogger liberranter October 02, 2017 12:50 AM  

@Markku: I have always felt that we got a poor deal on our national anthem. It's essentially an awkward poem about a battle few people even know about set to a mediocre melody.

But I guess it'll have to do.


Concur. I've truly never understood how "The Star-Spangled Banner" won out over "America the Beautiful" as the final choice for national anthem.

Blogger Markku October 02, 2017 12:54 AM  

liberranter wrote:Concur. I've truly never understood how "The Star-Spangled Banner" won out over "America the Beautiful" as the final choice for national anthem.

I have a pretty good idea what Rebel would say.

It would have the word "Yankee" in it.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain October 02, 2017 12:55 AM  

Which cities have gotten the most pissed about their teams' anthem antics? Pittsburgh and where else? I'm thinking about possible bumps in #s of deplorables for 2020.

Blogger liberranter October 02, 2017 1:00 AM  

It will be amusing to see how the owners who supported the protests will now try to climb back after leaping to take the side of the players.

They'll probably just jump over to the other side of the fence and pretend that they were ALWAYS there on the Trump/John Q. Fan side and against the players' protests. These guys are big-picture strategists who know that 1) the Amoricon public's collective attention span and memory are about as long as a mouse's dick on a cold winter morning and 2) the Sheepledom, despite its collective wrath now being directed at the league, can no more go without pro football for any extended length of time than can a heroin addict go without a fix.

These guys know that they'll survive in one form or another, even while flipping the public the bird and keeping that congenital retard Goodell in charge of the league.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 1:08 AM  

"and fans are instinctively booing anything that deviates from the traditional pseudo-patriotic pregame ceremonies."

because, of course, the pregame ceremonies have only EVER been for FAKE patriots

...

like military personnel.

Anonymous Clay October 02, 2017 1:16 AM  

I was always under the impression this whole sack of crap, inspired by Kraperdick, had to do with the cops. They were targeting them 'po black folk.

How it spread to the Anthem, the military, and the flag, I'm not so sure.

Don't really care.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 02, 2017 1:37 AM  

49. Clay October 02, 2017 1:16 AM
How it spread to the Anthem, the military, and the flag, I'm not so sure.


a - niggers gonna nigger
b - the flag is a "representation of slavery". and it is this "heritage of oppression" which explains modern American Blacks having an average IQ of 85.


remember, anyone who fails to stand with BlackLives(don't)Matter is a White Supremacist Nazi who would have ridden with Nathan Bedford Forrest.

the Stars and Stripes is practically the same thing as the Stars and Bars paired with the Hakenkreuz.

you racist.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 02, 2017 2:52 AM  

How it spread to the Anthem, the military, and the flag, I'm not so sure.

We're talking about a demographic that also commonly believes the White Man invented both AIDS and/or crack cocaine to destroy the Black Man, that blacks built the nation and then it was stolen away from them, and that blacks had great empires in Africa which were plundered and stolen by lesser, paler peoples. All that resentment can spread to about anything.

Anonymous Luke October 02, 2017 3:31 AM  

44. liberranter October 02, 2017 12:50 AM

" I've truly never understood how "The Star-Spangled Banner" won out over "America the Beautiful" as the final choice for national anthem."

Because men with both testicles got to make the choice, as opposed to lefties/women/homos/pacifists. Consider the 3rd verse; "their blood has washed out their foul footstep's pollution". THAT is a MAN's song, for a man's country.

Anonymous Pennywise October 02, 2017 10:00 AM  

The players didn't crumble, nor did the owners stop the players dead in their tracks. Convergence is an overused term, anyways. The blowback for Trump's comments was a fierce reaction by NFL team that would last a couple of weeks, followed by continued individual protests on those squads. The customers who left aren't really true fans, so let them burn their gear and stay away from the games The narrative is that there wasn't a "misunderstanding"
about the anthem; it is about sports figures exercising their liberty to protest since politics has now spilled into entertainment. The drop in NFL ratings is mostly due to factors other than the flag kerfuffle.

Anonymous Pitchfork Rebel October 02, 2017 12:42 PM  

"The customers who left aren't really true fans"

What the hell does that even mean. That somehow people, having one expressed an affinity for a team or game can't ever leave-fine, I'm not ever going to watch The National Felon League again. I'm contributing to paying for an insurrection by guerrillas in our midst.




Blogger Meimou October 02, 2017 2:09 PM  

What where the playears protesting exactly?

Why would people who aren't true fans have gear to burn?

Blogger Ragin' Dave October 02, 2017 8:09 PM  

Doesn't really matter. I've already stopped watching games. Burned my Seahawks gear, and sent the video to the NFL and the Seahawks. Doubt they'll watch it, but at this point I don't care. I'm done with the NFL.

Blogger Thucydides October 03, 2017 4:46 PM  

For more long term fun people in the various cities which have NFL teams should start organizing protests to make the league pay back all the tax dollars they received from the cities for stadiums and other assorted benefits.

Even non football fans will become energized when they are exposed to how much of their tax money is spent propping up billionaire owners and millionaire players (especially when put in those terms). Bring on the backlash with enormous force when energized by tens of thousands of angry ratepayers.

Anonymous Pennywise October 03, 2017 7:50 PM  

Why don't you start that organizing? See how much headway you make. Give us a field report next month.

Anonymous Pennywise October 03, 2017 7:51 PM  

Ragin' Dave, you were never a true fan to begin with. And rather than burn your gear, why not donate it? You'd even get a tax break. Idiot.

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