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Monday, October 16, 2017

The promised rise of nationalism

It is here. It is now. You may recall that I was one of the very few observers of European politics who predicted this years ago. I said it would take two election cycles for the nationalists to come fully to power. We're still in the first one.

  • In a recent poll by the Czech Academy of Sciences, the ANO scored 30.9 percent, more than the two traditional heavyweights in Czech politics -- the Social Democrat CSSD and the right-wing ODS -- combined, who scored just 13.1 percent and 9.1 percent respectively.
  • The takeover of the OeVP in May by "Emperor Kurz" was as swift as it was radical. First he ended the decade-long unhappy coalition with the Social Democrats (SPOe). Then he rebranded the OeVP and its black party colour as a turquoise "movement" tough on migrants and easy on taxes. The strategy of "putting Austrians first" propelled the sluggish OeVP to pole position in opinion polls and Kurz to near-rock star status.
  • The People’s Party (OVP) got 31.6 per cent of the vote, according to exit polls from pollster SORA. Mr Kurz's party is tough on migration, easy on taxes and widely Eurosceptic after rebranding itself over the last few months to propel its popularity in the wealthy Alpine nation. The 31-year-old is expected to form a coalition with the right-wing populist Freedom Party (FPO), who got 26.9 per cent of the vote, according to the latest projections. 
Of course, as with Brexit, the nationalists still have to deliver and free their nations from both the migrant invasions and the chains of the European Union. But be that as it may, it is clear that they have the democratic mandate of their nations, as well as the duty, to do so.

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88 Comments:

Anonymous Precious October 16, 2017 11:06 AM  

When you made these predictions I believed you at an abstract level but it was too far in the future to really feel concrete at the time. Now it feels not only concrete but inevitable.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 16, 2017 11:07 AM  

I see the Czech republic is moving towards a right to gun ownership. Is that a sign of this? Europe is notorious in America for being anti gun. How anti gun is it really and will other nations move towards more gun ownership as Europe moves right?

Blogger Alexander October 16, 2017 11:09 AM  

Echo comment number one.

It's one thing to believe dawn will come, it's another to see it happening before our eyes.

Blogger Markku October 16, 2017 11:13 AM  

The Finns Party (formerly True Finns) cucked immediately after getting in the senate for the first time. And their poll numbers totally collapsed. They fought for the last place with Vasemmistoliitto, who are essentially Communists in all but the name. Definitely to the left of any party that might reasonably be called "socialist".

Then the chairman and founder of the party, Timo Soini resigned. And in a turn of events that took pretty much everyone but the wokiest of the woke by surprise, the most right-wing and anti-Islam politician in the country (who was convicted in court of hate speech against muslims), Jussi Halla-Aho, was voted as the new chairman. And now the polls have again taken an extremely steep turn up. How up it will go, remains to be seen until there is the next major poll. As this is still a very recent thing.

Anonymous Bukulu October 16, 2017 11:14 AM  

Brick: Europe is definitely anti-gun by American standards, but conversely there's a lot more quiet or even stealth gun ownership than the American left would like to think.

Blogger Anchorman October 16, 2017 11:16 AM  

When people are asked to surrender freedom in the West, they are promise safety.

If you don’t deliver safety, it’s time to declare the rulers in violation of the agreement and demand an immediate renegotiation of terms.

Anonymous Bukulu October 16, 2017 11:16 AM  

Markku, even in Finland the concept of buying and owning a gun without government permission would be a stretch for most people, right?

Blogger Markku October 16, 2017 11:18 AM  

Finland has the most guns per capita in the world after USA (first place) and Iraq (second place). So, probably not THAT much. If it could be achieved somewhere, it would be here.

Blogger Markku October 16, 2017 11:20 AM  

Or, rather, PRIVATE guns. In other words, Swiss service rifles don't count.

Blogger Markku October 16, 2017 11:24 AM  

Universal conscription means that the overwhelming majority of men have spent at least six months carrying an assault rifle every day. So, we're not as weird about guns as cultures without universal conscription. It carries quite naturally into a hunting hobby.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 16, 2017 11:25 AM  

Austria is an interesting case because their center-right party (ÖVP) is now run by a Millennial who is echoing the far-right on immigration and Muslims. If he follows through and creates a coalition with the far-right FPÖ, and refuses to cuck, Austria just might be on the road to being saved. We'll see. But things are looking very good right now.

Blogger ZhukovG October 16, 2017 11:33 AM  

I have said for years, that though the tree may look withered, the roots of Christendom run deep in Europe. Europe will not fall.

It will be quite a twist, if this time it is the 'Old World' that must come to the rescue and liberation of the 'New'.

Anonymous Bukulu October 16, 2017 11:37 AM  

Markku, I mean more stuff like this (from ig/wiki): "Legal firearms in Finland must be registered and licensed on a per-gun basis."

Only a few leftie hellholes like IL require this level of government permission in the US. Those of us who live in the land of the free and the home of the brave find the above posterous.

Blogger Markku October 16, 2017 11:39 AM  

Yes, that's how it works everywhere else than USA. But if that were to change in another country, then Finland would be a good candidate.

Anonymous BBGKB October 16, 2017 11:41 AM  

I hope they get a move on, I would like to enjoy more European vacations in my lifetime.

OT: Why didn't anyone say about CNN money claiming Russians used Pokeymon to steal the election.

Niglet casts multiple vote

http://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2017/10/12/russian-meddling-extended-to-pokemon-go-byers-bts.cnn

Blogger Off The Wall October 16, 2017 11:41 AM  

Rumblings in Canuckistan that the Lieberals are planning another attack on legal firearms owners. Rumours abound that the SKS will become prohibited, that all semi-autos will be banned, that the long gun registry is coming back ...

Canada - always the last place to turn back to the path of righteousness.

OpenID finalewiz October 16, 2017 11:43 AM  

The question is, will it be too late when they (and we) finally come to their senses with any level of critical mass...

Anonymous normally a lurker October 16, 2017 11:47 AM  

What remains to be seen is whether Kurz is the genuine article or another cuck masquarading as a tough talker. The SPÖ-ÖVP political establishment is infamously corrupt after all.

@2
The Czechs also have a lively culture of civilian gun ownership, something nearly dead in countries like Germany or Britain.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 16, 2017 11:48 AM  

Jorg Haider sends his congratulations.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 16, 2017 11:49 AM  

It would be nice to see a greater public swing in the USA, esp. when we're now told that a fifth of the people living in the United States are foreigners...60 million!

When this 36 year (and counting) period of living on revolving credit cards ends, those 60 mil better go the F home. Parasites and those who would like to institute their home system here are not welcome.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 16, 2017 11:51 AM  

My guess is that the first cycle to which VD refers is the "nationlist party gets in, but caves/cucks/can't do much," and it's the second cycle where the NEW politics get very, very REAL.

Blogger 罗臻 October 16, 2017 11:58 AM  

Financially, Austria is still closely tied to Central and Eastern Europe. Interesting that their politics is starting to match those of its bank's major borrowers.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 16, 2017 12:05 PM  

Financially, Austria is still closely tied to Central and Eastern Europe.

Geographically Austria is bordered by the Wisegrad group of Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Poland. Poland has a port. Hungary has a good fence.

Blogger Phat Repat October 16, 2017 12:08 PM  

@12 Hopefully that doesn't mean returning the favor of fire bombing certain cities. Of course, in some cases, it might be warranted. ;-)

Blogger Phat Repat October 16, 2017 12:11 PM  

@15 I hope they get a move on, I would like to enjoy more European vacations in my lifetime.

That sir, is a no-kidder. If I want to see a more homogeneous people, I must travel to Asia. It's refreshing actually.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 16, 2017 12:41 PM  

@21 Keep in mind that the Austrian nationalists had the election stolen from them last time around. So this election might actually result in some real change.

Anonymous Tipsy October 16, 2017 12:42 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote: Financially, Austria is still closely tied to Central and Eastern Europe.

Just as an aside, my Czech wife and I have a bug-out plan in case the situation gets too crazy in California. The more I hear of the V4 countries' vigorous defense of their culture and people, the more I want to pull the trigger.

Geographically Austria is bordered by the Wisegrad group of Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Poland. Poland has a port. Hungary has a good fence.


On top of that, Slovenia, Lithuania, and Croatia are culturally close to these countries. If Visegrad 4 countries exit the Eurozone, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of their neighbors doing the same thing.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 16, 2017 12:43 PM  

What remains to be seen is whether Kurz is the genuine article or another cuck masquarading as a tough talker. The SPÖ-ÖVP political establishment is infamously corrupt after all.

@18 normally a lurker
Or it could simply be that we have a young Alpha who "gets it" running rings around the old dinosaurs in the ÖVP. Sort of like what happened with Trump.

Blogger Silly but True October 16, 2017 12:51 PM  

If Brexit is when the people opted out, should we call it Brevik when they opt in?

Blogger Tyler Wollmann October 16, 2017 12:52 PM  

Justin knows best.

Blogger Desdichado October 16, 2017 12:54 PM  

Phat Repat wrote:@12 Hopefully that doesn't mean returning the favor of fire bombing certain cities. Of course, in some cases, it might be warranted. ;-)
If they firebomb DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, etc. to rescue America... would Americans really mourn them too much? We didn't appear to do so when they were taken over by invaders and Fake Americans, why should we therefore see the homes of invaders and Fake Americans burned to the ground?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 16, 2017 12:54 PM  

@26
@21 Keep in mind that the Austrian nationalists had the election stolen from them last time around


Two election cycles, just what VD said at the time.
Everyone take notes.

Blogger Azimus October 16, 2017 12:55 PM  

27. Tipsy October 16, 2017 12:42 PM
Just as an aside, my Czech wife and I have a bug-out plan in case the situation gets too crazy in California. The more I hear of the V4 countries' vigorous defense of their culture and people, the more I want to pull the trigger.


If you are serious about doing this, I suggest you set up several "red-line" criteria that would trigger action. Because these "long march" fellows are very good at not turning up the heat too quickly on the frog, and the human power of rationalization is almost irresistable - what might seem unconscionable now might be a "well maybe it's not so bad" in the context of when it actually happens.

Anonymous CarpeOro October 16, 2017 12:56 PM  

Because of the (at least formerly) swift technological changes and the media fostering the right-now, youth-uber-alles mentality, few of the voting age population have any sense of the depth or impact of history. True, this has ever been the case in most societies. I believe the multiple forces at work (government mis-education system, women voting rights, youth culture and all they have done to destroy the family) have served to exacerbate the problem. Those who look at trends and cycles in terms of decades or longer have been ignored and marginalized in favor of the short term thinkers who echo, reinforce and double down on the accepted message.

This blog is one of the few places that you can find real long term thinking being discussed. As much as I love my new job, I keep quiet here about, well, pretty much everything. Macro-economics only comes up as a joke subject along the lines of "let's talk about religion". Keep up the posts Vox. I don't agree with anyone 100%, but find more to agree with here regarding contemplating the future than I do elsewhere.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 16, 2017 1:01 PM  

@24  In Destroit it would be redundant.

@31  The problem isn't the architecture, it's the fake Americans infesting it.  Where's a neutron bomb when you need one?

OT, SBPDL is back.

Anonymous Tipsy October 16, 2017 1:02 PM  

Azimus wrote:27. Tipsy October 16, 2017 12:42 PM

Just as an aside, my Czech wife and I have a bug-out plan in case the situation gets too crazy in California. The more I hear of the V4 countries' vigorous defense of their culture and people, the more I want to pull the trigger.


If you are serious about doing this, I suggest you set up several "red-line" criteria that would trigger action.


I am serious, and this is very good advice. I have one criterion already and have talked about where to move to, but I think we need to make it more concrete and actionable. Many thanks!

Blogger tz October 16, 2017 1:07 PM  

Hubris will always blind the left. The right's patience can be mistaken as weakness but is a virtue.

Even Forward Observer takes note of the alt-right rising here.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 October 16, 2017 1:12 PM  

There seems to be an awakening in the West that the racial capitalism of the CONservatives, which manifests itself most malignantly with the immigration issue, inevitably mutates into the deadly racial socialism,i.e. cultural Marxism, that plagues the western world today.

Replacing natives with cheap undemanding labor has been has been good for short term-profits and financing globalist CONservative politicians, but has led to massive environmental degradation, cultural fragmentation, stagnant wage growth, and many other ills.

With South Africa it was fatal.

I'm not optimistic, but cautiously positive about what might be a new enlightenment with European peoples.





Anonymous Dr. T October 16, 2017 1:14 PM  

An interesting point about the Austrian election is that the winner is not even the right-wing nationalist party. The ÖVP of Kurz is only the christian-conservative party, basically the Austrian pendant of Merkels CDU in Germany. The right-wing nationalist party of Austria, the FPÖ, gained strength in an election, even though the center-right party shifted strongly rightwards. The socialdemocratic SPÖ managed to at least keep their percentages by demanding, among other things, a "limit on migration" - which in Germany still only the most rightwing parties do. And the pro-migration Green - the party of the current president - have been destroyed. Take all this together and the result is epic.

Blogger tuberman October 16, 2017 1:25 PM  

It's going around now that Merkel's own party wants her out.

Blogger Phat Repat October 16, 2017 1:26 PM  

With South Africa it was fatal.

Actually know a guy from there, now living in US. We had a political discussion (BLM related) and he's spouting Racism as the issue. He had an odd look when I told him, "you have to go back." Married to progressive American female breadwinner (strike 1), has daughters only (strike 2), they attend University seeking worthless degrees (strike 3); he's screwed.

Anonymous Grayman October 16, 2017 1:28 PM  

The Viseguard will be the salvation of Europe.

The coming conflict will be bloody beyond imagination. Look at the images of streets closed throughout European cities by Muslim prayers, the rapes, and the murder, the no-go zones. In all reality they have nowhere to go back to and were never intended as anything other than a BEACH HEAD INVASION force, man, woman, and child. They will all have to perish for Europe to survive. Yet there is hope in this.
Europe was essentially depopulated of its “men” breeding stock between the cumulative death tolls of WWI & WWII. Those left to populate the land were what the Japanese would more or less call “grass eaters”, in comparison the former men of Europe. In a cruel twist of history, the physical victors lost the breeding war.
The coming battle for Europe will have to reverse this if Europe is to rise again in any form. The “grass eaters” will be decimated in the early stages of the conflict. There will be no neutral, no fence sitting, those who don’t act will probably die, just as many that do act will still not survive.. Despite the horrors the conflict will entail, the cleansing that will take place, what comes out of that cauldron will be the European male who is perfectly content to build his civilization upon the bones of the conquered.
The Visegurad will end up acting like the bulb from which the plant can bloom after the passing of winter. This core of remembered identity and faith will likely spread out with shocking speed once critical mass is achieved. In a similar vein, the Swedes may well end up with multiple national monuments to Norway for leading the purging of the northern frosts of the brown hordes.

Anonymous Grayman October 16, 2017 1:46 PM  

Phat

has daughters only (strike 2),

WRONG!!!

Our daughters are the crown jewels

Blogger Robert Divinity October 16, 2017 1:49 PM  

The question is, will it be too late when they (and we) finally come to their senses with any level of critical mass...

As Vox frequently points out, Europe is in a much better position than the United States. Sweden is an exception, as is possibly Germany.

Speaking of the latter and back to the original post, an odd phenomenon was pointed out in the Seventies and early Eighties--usually with breathless fear and disgust. Austrians were not reluctant to display prominently photographs of uniformed family members who fought in World War II. The same was absolutely ostracized in Germany. So as early as then, the race shaming of Germans was showing success while Austrians seemed immune to it.

Blogger David Power October 16, 2017 1:49 PM  

Meanwhile, the white working class yeomen of England, seem to be at last awoke to the old Bread & Circuses scam that has cost them so dear.

Despite a virtual blanket news black-out by the main stream news media, British football supporters ('soccer fans' to you heathens) put their long standing rivalries aside last Saturday and staged the largest anti-Islamic-terrorism march the country has ever seen.

The organisation behind the march, the "Football Lads Alliance" (FLA) was formed only a few months ago after the Manchester bombing that targeted young concert goers, and already boasts over a hundred thousand members, including many military veterans.

During the march, one of their leading spokesmen, an ex member of the special Air services (SAS), stood on an open top London bus, and quoted Churchill's famous "we shall fight them on the beaches" speech to a vast crowd.

The entire movement has sprung up so quickly, it has taken the establishment by complete surprise. The shear number of attendees seems to have them, and the far left, completely spooked. Hence the news black out.

Here's a clip of Rebel Media's Tommy Robinson, calling out a treasonous BBC reporter, who was there desperately looking for an excuse to paint the marchers as far-Right racists....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=shjBCmfZdGg


Blogger VFM #7634 October 16, 2017 2:06 PM  

So as early as then, the race shaming of Germans was showing success while Austrians seemed immune to it.

@44 Robert Divinity
Perhaps has to do with their Catholicism. Bavaria, after all, is the most right-wing part of the former West Germany, whereas the German SPD is supported mainly by the Lutherans, who are I guess like the Swedecucks to their north.

Blogger Robert Divinity October 16, 2017 2:13 PM  

@46:

You very well may be right. It took the Daughter of a Lutheran Minister to drive perhaps the final nails into the German coffin.

Anonymous Grayman October 16, 2017 2:13 PM  

@44 Robert
The challenges the US are larger on several aspects. Just the landmass involved…. Most US states are the size of entire European nations. Then there is the fact that despite the beachhead invasion force of immigrants Europe is still about 80% European. Of course that’s also why the woman and children have to go first!!! Any good hunter knows you remove the ability to reproduce to remove an invasive species.
In the US there is a huge youth contingent to the invasion force that is 1 to 2 generations ahead of the EU beach head that is growing at a steady exponential rate. That will be one hell of a bloody mess. That WILL end up in cleansing and will likely be heavy urban conflict, you could easily see heavy urban minority areas start to resemble Mogadishu when things get hot. There will not be any saving those areas, they would need to be razed and then rebuild after the region is reclaimed. Since the ethnic identity of America has been thoroughly deconstructed “Americans” will at first struggle for ethnic ties facilitating the default “your skin is your uniform”. As the conflict progresses a new American Ethnicity will be born. However the likely outcome is the breakup of the US into multiple entities with slightly different ethnic identities.
Either way, the bloodletting in the west will exceed the numbers seen in the beach head invasion phase, as the initial wave and now their multiple offspring will have to be dealt with all at a very high cost to the blood of the west.

Anonymous Grayman October 16, 2017 2:22 PM  

One other difference Europe faces that the US does not is the pending “second wave” invasion from Africa that will be fierce! As the financial shenanigans begin to unravel at some point Africa’s massive population overshot facilitated by the wests “road to hell paved in good intentions” aid, will begin to rapidly fall apart and the pressures will drive a substantial wave of African immigrants into Europe. Consider this wave will be the offspring of generations of Africans that most likely wouldn’t be alive if their population wasn’t artificially propped up. It’s a population that has effectively been breed dumber and more violent whether or not that was the intention. The second wave will not even pretend to be “immigrants” they will openly and blatantly storm the walls screaming “what you built is mine, your empire, your women your prosperity. Give to me or else”

Anonymous normally a lurker October 16, 2017 2:31 PM  

@44
>So as early as then, the race shaming of Germans was showing success while Austrians seemed immune to it.
There's a very simple reason for this: The Austrians cultivated a national myth about being the first victims of (German) fascism, unwilling participants dragged along by the megalomanical cousins. The occupying powers let them off hook mostly and focused their ire on Germany proper.

Anonymous Avalanche October 16, 2017 2:42 PM  

@31 "If they firebomb DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, etc. to rescue America... would Americans really mourn them too much?"

Oh. Seattle? Pretty pretty Seattle? Can we just use a neutron bomb and shovel the remains out for the orcas? (Oh, no, that would hurt the orcas... how about soylent for San Fran?)

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 16, 2017 2:52 PM  

@49: ``One other difference Europe faces that the US does not is the pending “second wave” invasion from Africa that will be fierce!''

The good news for Europe is that the Africans cannot get to Europe without European help. Ship, airplane, or walk through snow-covered mountain passes - most won't make it without outside help.

Anonymous Grayman October 16, 2017 3:09 PM  

@52 Ominous

There will be plenty of facilitators, for fortune, power or favors. The internal African power structures will be heavily incentivized to facilitate the flow and the narrative that Europe must take them. They will do so to try and save their own necks. Even tough it will ultimately be fruitless.

The second wave will come, they only way to stop it is to kill it, it will be the fast zombie model, a seething horde that will consume all in its wake.
They will walk across north Africa and commandeer anything that floats. Turkey is a big question mark as they will be under their won pressure and as such it may be in their interest to allow flow into Europe.

Blogger Desdichado October 16, 2017 4:00 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:@49: ``One other difference Europe faces that the US does not is the pending “second wave” invasion from Africa that will be fierce!''

The good news for Europe is that the Africans cannot get to Europe without European help. Ship, airplane, or walk through snow-covered mountain passes - most won't make it without outside help.

So they make their way through the Middle East and Turkey.

Blogger ZhukovG October 16, 2017 4:13 PM  

@Grayman: Hiram Maxim gave Europeans the answer to any sort of storming the walls scenario. The only question is, do the Europeans possess the will to use it? But I think that is being answered decisively in the affirmative.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 16, 2017 4:17 PM  

"'soccer fans' to you heathens..."

That's soccer fans to your BETTERS, limey. XD

Anonymous BBGKB October 16, 2017 4:30 PM  

If they firebomb DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, Portland,

Don't forget Philly, Baltimore, St Louis and Atlanta.

Hiram Maxim gave Europeans the answer to any sort of storming the walls scenario

If you look at Africa on a globe it's huge. Tiny Europe shouldn't have to take from it. You could fit the US, China, Eastern + Western Europe, Japan & india with room to spare.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/simoncrerar/africa-is-immense

Anonymous Grayman October 16, 2017 4:33 PM  

@55. ZhukovG

Agreed, but unfortunately the "chaff" will have to removed from the wheat of the European spirit before that happens in earnest.
It will be interesting to see how the Europeans decide to deal with the numbers involved. Maxim and his fine inventions aside, its still an infestation, and until the Europeans go to some level of total war they are prolonging their pain and suffering. And of course the world will be "aghast" at a slaughter no one could have seen coming!
The entire west faces that classic conundrum. The more brutal and violent they respond the less overall suffering there will be, but will those prepared to engage in such rise or will the west allow themselves to continue to be guilt-ed by "outsiders"
Thats one thing we can take away from the Asians. Do what you must to secure your empire everyone else and their opinion can take a long walk off a short peer unless they plan on getting involved.
When was the last time an asian batted an eye at being called racist or accused of genocide.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 16, 2017 4:36 PM  

What happened with the Czech Republics "right to bear arms" constitutional amendment?

I know it passed it the lower house overwhelmingly but I can't find anything else about it.

Anonymous Grayman October 16, 2017 4:42 PM  

One of the investment opportunities of a life time may be to go long Viseguard small arms manufacturers!!!


YYYUUUUUGGGEEEE growth potential in their market segments!!! Dent forget the ammo manufacturers as well. Perhaps we can get a Viseguard ETF of arms and ammo manufacturers?

Blogger Thucydides October 16, 2017 4:45 PM  

As President Trump is finding, our European friends will have a long slog against the corrupt administrative state showing obstacles and roadblocks up at every step of the way.

This ins't to say what they are doing isn't worthwhile or needed, just we need to temper our expectations as they fight forward (and help however we can).

Anonymous Grayman October 16, 2017 4:50 PM  

@61 Thucydides

It may take long then we like but..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIbEj1CIpuU

Anonymous CPEG October 16, 2017 4:51 PM  

Is "Alt-Right Revolution" still in the works?

OpenID markstoval October 16, 2017 5:03 PM  

@ #31

If they firebomb DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, etc. to rescue America... would Americans really mourn them too much? ...

I would much rather have civil war in the streets than firebombed cities. I think real Americans could kill a hundred million of the dirty, stupid bastards. I might be one of the first to die, but that would be OK as I am going to die anyway. (but I would hope to bag my limit first)

Anonymous Sam the Man October 16, 2017 5:04 PM  

Growing up in an area with a lot of quiet German WWII vets I noted the following:

The Austrians were not at all ashamed of WWII and their part in the Wehrmacht. One of the fellow engineers when I was a young chap, his father and Grandfather were soldiers in the Wehrmacht and had plenty of interesting stories, event to the location where they buried their small arms in 1945 when they went home. His father did not surrender but walked back form northern Italy through southern Tyrol, with his MP40, which is not under an airfield. It seemed they all saw their role as defending Europe from communism and justified it that way.

In any case it seems that lack of shame, despite the fact Hitler was from Austria (nasty chap) seem to come from the fact that the Brits, US set up the former German vets as a sort of "police" force to oppose the Russians in their occupied zone of eastern Austria in the late 1940s. In short they were never subject to the ball removal that the Germans were to the north. Even after the 1955 settlement that made them neutral, they were pro-west and supplied the US with its first samples of the AK47 in 1956, guns that drifted over the border for the Hungarian debacle of October/November 1956. They did not like Russians and saw no need to disguise that feeling, at least the ones I knew in the 1980s.

The one way I could kid them was to refer to Austria as Ostmark, the lander name it had in 1938 to 1945. They did not like that or the suggestion they really did want to be Germans. good times.

It is my experience in the shooting sports that the Germans are still very gun oriented. What they do not allow is the paramilitary shooting that is so popular in the US, with our tradition of the National match service rifle shooting and the tactical shooting that is gaining popularity. The shooting sports in Germany are limited to hunting and serious 3 position precision marksmanship. Whereas Austria has Steyr, Glock and Ferlach, Germany has Walther, Sauer, Mauser (not much left) H&K, Anschutz, Feinbauweke, Kreighoff and a lot of small firms. Sauer makes all of the match rifles for Demark, Norway and Sweden, the STR200 is pretty much the defacto arm of choice in those nations for fullbore.

There are a lot of German shooting clubs, they just have to focus on the non militaristic aspects. Germany has around 32 arms per 100 people in the nation, on the higher end of European ownership rates, though well below the 54/100 of Serbia or the 45/100 of Switzerland and Finnland. Despite the laws getting stricter in 2002, ownership rates are up in the last 20 years. Drop a G3 in a metrosexual German's hands with a few minutes of instruction and he does not want to have it pried form his sausage-stained fingers. Lest you doubt this I tender the following German shooting festival.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaViIxobk5M

I do not have a good feel for it, but I would guess that in a strange way Merkel, that ex-communist witch, has actually started Germans back down the path of nationalism. That and the fact WWII is close to 80 years in the rear view mirror and Europe is sufficiently far from that time that the states are not all outgrowths of that period. Kind of how Napoleon and the French revolution are not longer hot topics of debate. The fact is nice thoughts do not work when you 13 year old daughter is being raped, or Auslanders are dropping trash in the street when the trash bins are one 2 meters away. These actions are quite intolerable and must be dealt with. Merkel will be looked back on as the inadvertent mother of the hard right in 20 years

Anonymous Grayman October 16, 2017 5:08 PM  

@ sam

Merkel will be looked back on as the inadvertent mother of the hard right in 20 years

We are all the architects of our own demise.

OpenID markstoval October 16, 2017 5:22 PM  

Merkel will be looked back on as the inadvertent mother of the hard right in 20 years

I hope there is a Germany (with German people in it) 20 years from now. But If I had to bet, I think I would bet against the Germans surviving. Cucks all.

Blogger Matamoros October 16, 2017 5:28 PM  

If you saw the meme on Chateau Heartiste but couldn't watch the video here it is:

https://f001.backblazeb2.com/file/pewtube/Deeper/DBnGaQg.mp4

Anonymous BBGKB October 16, 2017 5:33 PM  

I hope there is a Germany (with German people in it) 20 years from now.

My money says we will find out the actual efficiency of German ovens this time around.

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger October 16, 2017 5:49 PM  

Robert Divinity wrote:Speaking of the latter and back to the original post, an odd phenomenon was pointed out in the Seventies and early Eighties--usually with breathless fear and disgust. Austrians were not reluctant to display prominently photographs of uniformed family members who fought in World War II. The same was absolutely ostracized in Germany. So as early as then, the race shaming of Germans was showing success while Austrians seemed immune to it.
That's because the Austrians cried "rape!" when the war was over. It wasn't their fault, Germany raped them and forced them to wear those Nazi uniform as part of a non-consensual BDSM relationship. So naturally, the Austrians were treated as victims as soon as memories faded a bit, and weren't subjected to the same guilt programming that the Germans had to endure. As a result, Austria has always been more un-ashamedly right-wing than Germany. It didn't keep them from enforcing their anti "denialist" laws, though, as Richard Irving recently found out.

Blogger Y. October 16, 2017 5:52 PM  

@Vox Day

A minor quibble.

The rise of ANO has nothing to do with nationalism, and everything to do with ANO being a populist vehicle for its chairman Babiš, who is no.2 or no.3 richest person in Czech Republic. Or something. And the corruption and incompetence of the mainstream parties - which has little to do with matters beyond Czechia. He isn't a nationalist. He isn't even Czech, he's just a businessman selling whatever sells at the moment.

Babis was a careerist and informer under communism, and after it fell he clawed his way to become a head of a giant agricultural, food and chemical conglomerate. Before he decided to enter politics, he bought like half of the extant media companies. Recently, someone leaked wiretaps of him giving directions to his pet journalist (which issues to promote).

He is neither Czech, nor able to speak Czech like a native. Which is odd, he's certainly canny and it's very easy for a Slovak to learn to speak flawless Czech without any formal study, just through immersion.

Anonymous zebedee October 16, 2017 5:57 PM  

Justin is currently in a cleft stick of his own making having tried to start a class war by labelling doctors, small businessmen and farmers as tax cheats in a bid to dramatically raise their taxes after a sham consultation. He followed this up by pissing off millions of retail and service workers by proposing that employee discounts should be treated as taxable income. His government has royally pissed off Quebecers and the TV and Film industry as a whole by bending over and dropping it's trousers for Netflix without making provisions for provisions for Canadian and French Language content. By rigging the approval process he has caused Trans-Canada Pipelines to drop it's proposal to build Energy East which has severely pissed off the oil patch so much so that there are serious separatist rumblings in Alberta for the first time in forty years. Perhaps Junior is stupid enough to try to piss off gun owners but I'm not sure he can afford to.

Blogger ZhukovG October 16, 2017 6:07 PM  

@markstoval: I disagree, I believe Germany will not only survive, but will take her rightful place among the Great Powers of the world.

There are limits to how much one can change people from that which is their nature. We have seen this with the failure of the 'Great Society'.

There are two fundamental things to which young males are attracted, young females and weapons; firearms. They may be shy and hesitant around them at first, but once they take them in their arms they will not willingly let go.

Blogger Lemur October 16, 2017 6:14 PM  

The greatest nationalist successes have been forcing mainstream centre right parties further to the right. UKIP successfully did so with Cameron's conservative party. But to wield power directly, nationalists have to win absolute majorities, because generally all the other parties unify against them.

Blogger Lemur October 16, 2017 6:16 PM  

I think this will happen in time but there's a mountainous hump to scale between a 20% result for the far right (pretty sexy considering before the rise of populism these parties would have captured any seats) and 51%.

Anonymous Ages October 16, 2017 6:21 PM  

My guess is that the first cycle to which VD refers is the "nationlist party gets in, but caves/cucks/can't do much," and it's the second cycle where the NEW politics get very, very REAL.

I think that’s where we are at with Trump: he got in, but nobody is helping him.

2018 could be very good or very bad. Every Republicuck who has voted against Trump’s agenda needs to be primary challenged and replaced.

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger October 16, 2017 6:34 PM  

Does the rise of nationalism in Europe show that Martin van Creveld was wrong when he proclaimed the decline of the "European model nation-state" back in the nineties? He said that these states (and he included the U.S. in this group) were weakening. He saw states as giving up their sovereignity by abolishing their borders and surrendering decision-making powers to entities that were not themselves states--such as the European Union or the United Nations. He also predicted the increased use of mercenary armies (such as we employed in Iraq), and the decreasing effectiveness of state militaries against relatively small and poorly armed fighters.

I'm not saying van Creveld's observations were wrong, but it now seems that this decline of the nation state may not be irreversible.

If these states were to collapse, then our society would fragment as it is torn by a fourth generation civil war. There would be no authority, no legitimate army. However, if the state can be revived, then we are in a stronger position. We may still have to fight a fourth generation civil war, but at least we will have organization and resources our opponents do not have. If we learn how to fight this kind of war, then we will win.

If this scenario turns out to be correct--the state remains intact--then nationalists should be careful to take control of the police and military institutions of the state. In the case of the U.S., I think that route does not lie through the regular military, because they are basically broken hugely bureaucratic organizations. Instead, citizens should seek to join local police forces, at least in a reserve or auxiliary capacity in order to have influence there when the crunch comes.

I would include the National Guard as a useful organization, but the Guard has been permanently federalized--it is de facto the U.S. Army reserve, subject to deployment to whatever pointless war Washington decides to fight today. It should, therefore, be a very high priority to enact legislation that will return the National Guard to the control of the several States.

Also, the United States may be characterized as a "European model nation-state", but it's different from European states. For one thing, it is possible that the rise of nationalism will not result in a strong central U.S. government, but in sovereignty returning to the constituent States, which will retain varying degrees of stability.

Anonymous normally a lurker October 16, 2017 7:02 PM  

@65
>Germany has around 32 arms per 100 people in the nation, on the higher end of European ownership rates

Where do you source these stats from? Germany has a central gun registry, according to which there are 5.83 million legal firearms owned by 2.31 million license holders, resulting in numbers vastly lower.

@73
You are hopelessly optimistic. Germany is a dying nation, as even a cursory glance at it's demographics will reveal. The best case scenario involves throwing out a lot of foreigners before significant parts of the country end up as Turko-Arab colonies. But beyond that? Another revival of Germany is about as likely as another Assyrian Empire sprining up.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 16, 2017 7:07 PM  

normally a lurker wrote:Germany is a dying nation, as even a cursory glance at it's demographics will reveal.

Total fertility rates can't change overnight, but they can change in 9 months. Convince enough Frauleins that they should get pregnant, and the demographics start to change. I have no idea if or how that's going to happen, but if demographics is destiny, destiny is malleable.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 16, 2017 7:16 PM  

2018 could be very good or very bad. Every Republicuck who has voted against Trump’s agenda needs to be primary challenged and replaced.

This is the basis of the current tension between Bannon and Mitch McConnell. McConnell is trying to sell the usual Republicuck story about hands across the aisle, and not being able to move forward without compromise. Trump's base will not buy that line anymore, and I think ultimately McConnell will regret taking that position because it will mean the end of his political career and those of many of his ilk.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 16, 2017 7:20 PM  

@77 Sidehill Dodger
Does the rise of nationalism in Europe show that Martin van Creveld was wrong when he proclaimed the decline of the "European model nation-state" back in the nineties?

Too early to tell.

Anonymous Sam the Man October 16, 2017 8:29 PM  

78: That is the UN estimate. It is based on reality, not the police stats. source:

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/germany

The Germans have an odd streak of rebelliousness when it comes to arms. You see it in the US, at least on the east coast the population most likely to refuse to do any paper work at all when acquiring guns are from Germanic/Swiss stock. No idea why that is but in NJ, NY and PA the population that refuses to obey registration/permit laws are almost all of that ethnic stock (in the populations that are not criminal).

The central and northern European stock put a lot of effort into collecting arms, they and the English are the gun collectors, like no other population observed. They do not look at guns as tools to be discarded once obsolete but something more. Collections of 20 to 50 arms or more are common in these population groups, often with family histories going back to the first generation to land on the US shores.

Now Germany banned guns from 1945 to around 1954, when the first target guns were allowed. In 1958 the old law from 1938 was revised, and guess what, all sorts of arms came out of the wood work. In that time registration was not required. Between 1958 and 1972 it was pretty much a set of loose gun laws and many families accumulated arms which they did not bother to register when the post Munich/Bader-Meinhof federal registration law went into effect in 1974.

The combination of a population with great self control, a fear of the hordes to the east and the same population who produced Martin Luther (Here I stand, I can do no other), who once roused can fight to the bitter end in manner not seen for 4 centuries, well what else would you expect?

Krauts being Krauts.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 16, 2017 8:40 PM  

@Lemur

Heh. If you combine the FPÖ and Kurz's new ÖVP, you're there.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 16, 2017 8:43 PM  

Grayman wrote:In the US there is a huge youth contingent to the invasion force that is 1 to 2 generations ahead of the EU beach head that is growing at a steady exponential rate. That will be one hell of a bloody mess. That WILL end up in cleansing and will likely be heavy urban conflict, you could easily see heavy urban minority areas start to resemble Mogadishu when things get hot.
Much of the US has this thing called "winter", which is very difficult to deal with absent space heat, electricity and potable water.  Those are all supplied and controlled from outside, as is the food.  Dealing with a bunch of freezing, starving dindus or squatmonsters that you've just forced out with some cold-gas grenades won't take much effort.  You can probably get them to march right onto a bus as long as it's warm and comes with a Pepsi and a sandwich.

There will not be any saving those areas, they would need to be razed and then rebuild after the region is reclaimed.
It really depends if you want to save the architecture or not.  Some of it's going to have enough historic value to be worth the effort.  There are non-destructive means of clearing buildings and we'll use them.  The rest... bulldozers are a waste of diesel when fire will do the job alone.

BBGKB wrote:Don't forget Philly
Speaking of Philly, an Instagram-organized flash mob of dindu yoots went around beating and robbing people in the area of Temple University.

Black Lives Matter.  If they're doing things like this, the way they matter most is to be snuffed out as examples to the rest of them.

BBGKB wrote:My money says we will find out the actual efficiency of German ovens this time around.
I'm betting the Germans will use rendering plants.  They're efficient that kind of way.  After all, the dogs of war gotta eat.

Blogger Lazarus October 16, 2017 9:39 PM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:2018 could be very good or very bad. Every Republicuck who has voted against Trump’s agenda needs to be primary challenged and replaced.

This is the basis of the current tension between Bannon and Mitch McConnell. McConnell is trying to sell the usual Republicuck story about hands across the aisle, and not being able to move forward without compromise. Trump's base will not buy that line anymore, and I think ultimately McConnell will regret taking that position because it will mean the end of his political career and those of many of his ilk.


Check this out. Trump analyses the situation for the public:


https://www.c-span.org/video/?435802-1/president-trump-gop-getting-job-done

Blogger Lazarus October 16, 2017 9:44 PM  

Seen on the internet, a critique of leftist logic:

Cops are racists and fascists but they should be the only ones allowed to have guns.

Anonymous Joe Clark October 17, 2017 12:09 PM  

Are you truly unable to typeset a cap O with dieresis (Ö), which I just touch-typed? (If so, you’re using Windows and have refused to learn.)

Not one of those political parties has Oe in its acronym.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 17, 2017 3:15 PM  

@54: ``So they make their way through the Middle East and Turkey.''

Unless things have changed since Xenophon wrote the Anabasis, it gets cold on that route. Once you get across the Bosporus into the Balkans, it gets colder.

Tropical sub-Saharan Africans aren't going to fare well. While they last, they will be fast zombies with gangrenous frostbite.

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