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Sunday, October 22, 2017

Trump stands by the truth

There is no legitimate reason the JFK assassination files should not be released to the public. None at all.
US President Donald Trump said Saturday he will allow long blocked secret files on the assassination of John F Kennedy to be opened to the public for the first time.

The November 22, 1963 assassination -- an epochal event in modern US history -- has spawned multiple theories challenging the official version that Kennedy was killed a lone gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald.

So the release of all the secret documents has been eagerly anticipated by historians and conspiracy theorists alike. Trump's announcement followed reports that not all the files would be released, possibly to protect still relevant intelligence sources and methods.

But Trump appears to have decided otherwise.

"Subject to the receipt of further information, I will be allowing, as President, the long blocked and classified JFK FILES to be opened," he said in a tweet.
Translation: Sayonara, Deep State. Dire and nebulous warnings of cats and dogs living together are no longer sufficient to compel presidential obedience. Everyone understands now that they protect no one's interests but their own.

Drain the Swamp + Build the Wall = Trumpslide 2020.

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Anonymous Looking Glass October 22, 2017 5:50 AM  

I'm still curious what they were keeping hidden for an extra 25 years. More than likely it's the CIA's "State within a State" activities. So much of the history of the 50s & 60s can be summed up with "well, everyone was on the payroll".

Anonymous Anonymous October 22, 2017 6:00 AM  

"Swamps" are vital wetland habitats teeming with plant and animal species. So, of course Trump and his supporters would use their destruction as a metaphor for their policies. Why should all these organisms have a home when you could put in a parking lot or drill for oil instead?

Anonymous blip October 22, 2017 6:07 AM  

Yeah he'll release them...but in what state? I imagine they're being frantically redacted as we speak.

Anonymous Ages October 22, 2017 6:08 AM  

If the CIA is concerned, that certainly gives credibility to some of the conspiracy theories. (Of course, any real evidence that may exist has surely been long destroyed.)

Blogger Phunctor October 22, 2017 6:10 AM  

@2
When you have power you destroy your opposition and prevent their return. Surely this is not need to the Left?

Anonymous Ain October 22, 2017 6:14 AM  

It's about time somebody put those bastards in their place.

Blogger Shimshon October 22, 2017 6:16 AM  

When the law was passed 25 years ago, they must've been certain a friendly fellow globalist would be president. After all, even Reagan would have been on board with preventing the material from seeing the light of day.

Will there be any pizza?

Anonymous Charlottesvillain October 22, 2017 6:18 AM  

hornofthemark wrote:"Swamps" are vital wetland habitats teeming with plant and animal species. So, of course Trump and his supporters would use their destruction as a metaphor for their policies. Why should all these organisms have a home when you could put in a parking lot or drill for oil instead?
Compelling rhetoric for the voters on why we shouldn't drain that fetid swamp. Catchy. It'll resonate in the Rust Belt in 2020 when your ticket of Lecturing BLM Chick/Gender Fluid Individual SJWsplains it to them.

Blogger rumpole5 October 22, 2017 6:25 AM  

Wouldn't absolute transparency be the best way to disprove the many conspiracy theories on JFK's murder? I was 12 years old when JFK was killed. I am now on medicare. Who the hell is still alive that would be unfairly damaged by release of this material?

Blogger JACIII October 22, 2017 6:25 AM  

Perhaps Trump is going to mainstream "conspiracy theories".

Normie - So, You're telling me the Bush family and the CIA were hip to 9-11? Man, sounds a little tin-foil-hat...

MAGA - That's exactly what you said about the JFK execution, before Trump released the files.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 22, 2017 6:27 AM  

@4 Ages

Most government coverups are about preventing people from figuring out how they F'd up the entire situation. Take 9/11 Commission. Pretty much their purpose was to hide the fact that "Intelligence Wall" was setup so the Deep State could sell favors for money. Why else would the NSA be unable to inform the FBI of activities?

WTC 7 is another good example. Part of it blew up because some government operation (most of the building was taken up by Federal Agencies, including Secret Service, CIA & DIA) had a large chunk of high explosives that wasn't supposed to be there. They couldn't safely get fire crews to the area so one of the probably 3 people that knew called them to clear out.

At the large scale, the only thing Governments are good at are blowing things up and flooding the zone with so much information you'll never really unwind how badly they screwed something up. The Occam's Razor in all government-related situations is "someone F'd up and they're trying to cover their tracks". It's also the same process by one thing morphs into another thing, and at the end of that chain of events, a bunch of kids are getting blown up in OKC.

Anonymous simplytimothy October 22, 2017 6:31 AM  

@Looking Glass do agencies routinely store their explosives so an detonation will allow the building to reach free-fall velocity like in a controlled demolition?

Also, thanks for the link to Whictor...interesting perspectives.

Anonymous Anonymous October 22, 2017 6:44 AM  

@ VD

The "bionic mosquito" has a blog post up about a Hans Hoppe speech called "Libertarianism and the Alt-Right: In Search of a Libertarian Strategy for Social Change" (Speech delivered at the 12th annual meeting of the Property and Freedom Society in Bodrum, Turkey, on September 17, 2017)

http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.rs/2017/10/i-love-hans-hoppe.html

I think you would like the post by the bionic mosquito and you would profit from the speech by Hoppe.

One of my favorite lines by Hoppe is "Yet many libertarians and fake libertarians are plain ignorant of human psychology and sociology or even devoid of any common sense."

The post and the speech remind me of "back in the day" when as a total Rothbardian I was once called "further to the right than Atilla the Hun" by a fellow teacher. (made my day)


Blogger Ron October 22, 2017 6:46 AM  

OK, for sure the most fun president ever.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain October 22, 2017 6:48 AM  

Shimshon wrote:When the law was passed 25 years ago, they must've been certain a friendly fellow globalist would be president. After all, even Reagan would have been on board with preventing the material from seeing the light of day.

Will there be any pizza?

Speaking of pizza:

In May, an undercover law enforcement officer responded to a Craigslist ad, placed by Salamak, seeking "Woman/Moms that are into Cheese Pizza." The complaint said Salamak communicated with the undercover officer and requested photos of an 8-year-old child.

https://thegoldwater.com/news/10087-Pizzagate-Corrections-Officer-Busted-for-Child-Porn-after-Placing-Craigslist-Ad-for-Cheese-Pizza

Anonymous Stoa October 22, 2017 6:52 AM  

>Most government coverups are about preventing people from figuring out how they F’d up the situation

Exactly this. The tl;dr is going to be “we [CIA] bumped him, realized he was crazy, and then forgot it because he was of no intelligence value because of his unsuitable nature.” With a possible side order of, “after it happened the Soviets told us they thought he was nuts and got him out of their country before he did something so it isn’t on them.”

Note: I’ve never actually seen THIS archive but that is the tone of most of those archives.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton October 22, 2017 7:01 AM  

Now how about UFO/ET Disclosure?

Anonymous Causal Lurker October 22, 2017 7:23 AM  

I worked with a wound/trauma expert who (young researcher at the time) was part of the technical group that analyzed all the bullet impacts and damaged caused. His impression of dealing with the committee and attorneys was "you've got to be kidding me." Very screwed up legal approaches to everything, including physics, and dismissal of reality. With Congressional inquiry, you answer the exact questions as written or spoke and nothing more. But it makes sense when you remember that (((Snarlin' Arlen ))) was one of many, out to make a name for himself.

The other tl;dr is Secret Service admission that "we warned him about assassination attempts and wanted the bubble top, but he insisted on open convertible. Can't stop stupid."

Anonymous Looking Glass October 22, 2017 7:27 AM  

@12 simplytimothy

It was a government operation. Of course they'd store all of the high explosives right next to the load-bearing structure. It's the most logical place to store things when you're incompetent.

As to Wictor, he's /pol/ in 40 years. And I mean that in a positive way. As for the GCC & what's going on in the Middle East, he's got a solid read on it. For reasons I would never get into on an open forum, he's pretty accurate in "revolutionary" combat approach. It's not the end all/be all approach to Warfighting, but it's a radically different way to approach taking a city.


@16 Stoa

Oswald, with a bit of asking around and some pre-planning could have pulled off the Assassination. That's not really the issue. The issue has always been: who setup Ruby to kill Oswald?

For those 2 days, Oswald was the most dangerous man in recent human history. If he said X put him up to it, the USA was pretty much bound to declare war against them. Every Intelligence service and any group that had ever been in the same city block with Oswald needed him dead. Ruby's hit could have been the only ever USA-Soviet joint intelligence operation.

All we're likely to find out is bit more of who was on who's payroll. Maybe a few more connections and missed Red Flags.

@17 Robert Pinkerton

Roswell was some sort of tethered device that broke its mooring. Possibly with a small nuclear power plant within it. The whole alien stuff that cropped up around it was wonderfully to the Government's benefit, along with it being a "thing" during that period.

Blogger Alvin von Diaspar October 22, 2017 7:50 AM  

You gotta be really naive to think that the truth about the JFK assassination or about 9-11 is gonna be written on some document.

Also, you gotta be really naive if you think that this Trump is the Trump that ran for the presidency.

Blogger Akulkis October 22, 2017 7:53 AM  

@9 Rumpole5

"Wouldn't absolute transparency be the best way to disprove the many conspiracy theories on JFK's murder? I was 12 years old when JFK was killed. I am now on medicare. Who the hell is still alive that would be unfairly damaged by release of this material?"

Consider this... I wasn't even BORN when JFK was assassinated, and LBJ wanted the documents sealed for 100 years... so that... MAYBE my grandchildren would still be alive when the records would be unsealed.

There must be somethinng damned incriminating in those papers (if they weren't destroyed in the last 25 years) that LBJ wanted a delay of 4-5 generations to before the records would finally be opened.

And this has nothing to do with the Cold War... as we know, if the Soviets or any other Communist state had something to do with it, it would have meant a major war. The mere fact that LBJ sought to pin the killing on a patsy (who NEVER behaved in the way that a man would if he had actually had something to do with the assassination of the President of the most powerful country in the free world...such as, you know, leaving town.)

Obviously, LBJ didn't want direct descendants, or even grand-children of the guilty to be harmed or suffer any backlash.

However, I doubt that the records left to be released will point fingers at any of the actual guilty parties....let alone the chief instigator of it all, LBJ himself.

Blogger Akulkis October 22, 2017 8:00 AM  

@18

"The other tl;dr is Secret Service admission that "we warned him about assassination attempts and wanted the bubble top, but he insisted on open convertible. Can't stop stupid.""

My GRANDMOTHER told me in 1970, if not earlier, that Kennedy would never have been shot if he had taken the Secret Service's advice had had the glass canopy on the convertible.

This has never been a secret... of it it was, it wasn't for long, as even my grandma, who worked midnight shift as a telephone company switchboard operator, knew about it.

Anonymous Avalanche October 22, 2017 8:15 AM  

OP: Remember what Vox keeps trying to teach us: when the God Emperor is raising absolute HELL on the (metaphorical) left -- look to the right: "HEY! what's that, over there, sneaking by?"

Blogger Akulkis October 22, 2017 8:16 AM  

I'll tell you what's most interesting about Trump's announcement....

The panic-stricken cries of "NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo!" from the FBI and CIA (but even more interestingly, NOT from the Secret Service)!

According to Trump confidant Roger Stone (whose previous statements have been reliable) CIA Director Mike Pompeo “has been lobbying the president furiously not to release these documents.”

I noted "concern for the lives of informants who might still be alive".. Really? We're talking about guys who, at a bare minimum, would be 70 years old now... but who, in the case of having inside information in the mob or whatever, would have to have been in their 40's at the time of the assassination, making them born around 1920... so... 95+ years old at this point.

Yet.... CIA isn't supposed to play INSIDE U.S. borders, so who would be these 95+ year old informants for the CIA be?
Certainly not U.S. citizens.

Hmmmm maybe Cubans who were 20 at the time... making them 75+ year old Cubans.... I find that hard to believe. Not hard... IMPOSSIBLE. After retiring from Cuban government, CIA would have got their informants out of Cuba, and into US, and witness protection program with new identity, if, for no other reason, to protect themselves and their former assets from Cuban counter-intelligence.

Anonymous VFM#0265 October 22, 2017 8:36 AM  

Rumpole5 wrote: Wouldn't absolute transparency be the best way to disprove the many conspiracy theories on JFK's murder? I was 12 years old when JFK was killed. I am now on medicare. Who the hell is still alive that would be unfairly damaged by release of this material?

--George Bush Sr.
A couple grainy pics place him at the site. Also, some hazy CIA employment stuff looks fairly damning as well. I know many folks have lots and lots of theories, but my bet is on former CIA director, then a newb, George Bush 41.

Blogger rumpole5 October 22, 2017 8:58 AM  

Math never was my strong point. It sonetimes does seem like evil people live longer. They are more motivated -- Hell fires and such. Moreover, as Shakespeare put it: "the evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones". Our deep state folks must know their bard quotes well.

Anonymous patrick kelly October 22, 2017 8:58 AM  

He's not going to release it he's watching who reeeees and gonna grab em by the nuts

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2017 8:59 AM  

>>Most government coverups are about preventing people from figuring out how they F'd up the entire situation.

I used to think there was Castro involvement and they were covering it up because they did not want to trigger a war. Then there was Lyndon Johnson did it. I doubt it, although not for reasons of moral restraint. Or it was a deep state thing, which I doubt unless it was from ineptness. Or the the mob. Kennedy did double cross the crooked elements that got him elected. But the one conclusion I will never buy into is that Oswald acted alone. The on the scene evidence for two shooters is too strong. Plus the Ruby hit was an obvious setup. They needed Oswald dead to gain control of the situation.

Blogger Akulkis October 22, 2017 9:00 AM  

Rumpole5... I wasn't questioning your math.... I was ... I was simply continuing on with what you said (having mentioned that you were 12 at the time)

Blogger Robert Browning October 22, 2017 9:01 AM  

...and 911?? Trump said we are going to take a look at that. When?

Anonymous LES October 22, 2017 9:04 AM  

A representative republic: we elect fellow citizens to look out for our interests. When they take office they think they have become our masters and treat us like children.

I don't expect any truth from the government.

Blogger wreckage October 22, 2017 9:23 AM  

So... who's Wictor?

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2017 9:24 AM  

>>I don't expect any truth from the government.

What you get from a properly operating government is a version of the truth. Usually selective remembrance presented in a slanted way.

The really bad governments are disconnected from reality. That would be Bagdad Bob or Pravda in the old USSR.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy October 22, 2017 9:34 AM  

I think a lot of important people at various agencies fucked up the investigation afterwards, and a few important people approved letting Oswald run free when he came back from Russia not realizing he was dangerous enough to murder the president.

I think the real question, why Oswald was murdered, isn't going to be answered, but there are going to be some institutions that have red faces.

Blogger James October 22, 2017 9:34 AM  

First of all, the "magic bullet" excuse should remove any doubt that the Warren Commission was designed to cover up the truth. Second, and more importantly, Kennedy's head blew out toward the rear. This means he was shot from the front. Laws of Physics, and all. I don't think we will ever know the actual participants in this coup. Needless to say, almost every aspect of the Federal government actively participated in deceiving the American citizenry. The fact that they could do it as early as 1963 just shows how long Americans have been slaves.

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 9:46 AM  

I want MLK's sealed documents released. You know, the ones telling about him screwing 5+ women a day, and beating many of them. Lots of other strange stuff. That would be a RIOT!

Anonymous Jeff October 22, 2017 9:47 AM  

This is massive news. Funny I don't see #JFK trending on Twitter...

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2017 9:52 AM  

Jeff wrote:This is massive news. Funny I don't see #JFK trending on Twitter...

Given the way the Internet is going, censorship?

Blogger Otto Lamp October 22, 2017 9:53 AM  

Or, Trump could change his mind.

Given how loudly the Deep-State has squawked about releasing this, perhaps Trump is sending them a message: play ball with me or I'll start releasing info that makes you look bad.

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2017 9:54 AM  

Lawyer Guy wrote:I think a lot of important people at various agencies fucked up the investigation afterwards,

Not (mainly) fuckup, coverup.

Blogger Lovekraft October 22, 2017 10:02 AM  

Now if we can only open up the previous 'President's' college records. Would love to see how thin his academic credentials are.

Blogger Dexter October 22, 2017 10:04 AM  

Eh, those docs won't have anything but bureaucratic trivia.

Anonymous Nick October 22, 2017 10:25 AM  

The best take on the JFK assassination that I've read was the relevant chapter from this book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008TSNUFC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 I'm skeptical that the documents to be released will change much, but who knows. There are people who have either admitted to being part of the plot, or who were part of a counter operation that arrived too late. It's impossible for Oswald to have been the only shooter, the kill shot came from the front, probably somewhere by the overpass. According to the author it was mafia-related.

Blogger Matthew October 22, 2017 10:29 AM  

I'm rooting for Miles Mathis's theories to be correct.

Blogger Akulkis October 22, 2017 10:41 AM  

@32

Wictor Frahnk-en-steen.

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2017 10:55 AM  

If I could throw out a factoid here that is seldom brought up, to accurately aim and hit a target with a rifle, from the time of target acquisition to pulling the trigger takes seven seconds. And with the recoil from any normally powerful rife, an accurate second shot takes four seconds. While these times are not absolutes, they hold up well. No amount of intense training will greatly reduce the time needed. And by the way Oswald's rifle even needed manual cocking, it was not a full semi-auto.

Combine the above with the rates at which the shots came in, Kennedy bucking as though hit from both sides, the "magic bullet" bs, and people on the scene event thinking there was a shooter on the grassy knoll, and I don't believe the single shooter theory is workable on the face of it. You know, no fancy logic, just going with the obvious.

Blogger tuberman October 22, 2017 10:59 AM  

The deepstate has had 53 years to work over these documents, so I do not expect much.

Blogger Skyler the Weird October 22, 2017 11:40 AM  

Ladybird did in JFK

Blogger dc.sunsets October 22, 2017 11:40 AM  

@ hornofthebeast, it's a pity your mind doesn't automatically translate "swamp" to cesspool.

GFY.

Anonymous BBGKB October 22, 2017 11:42 AM  

TRUMP should order the release of all the info the FBI has on MLK, in the interest of truth and outreach to the black community.

do agencies routinely store their explosives so an detonation will allow the building to reach free-fall velocity like in a controlled demolition?

Perhaps that was Crooked Eye Clinton's first email server?

Now if we can only open up the previous 'President's' college records.

Even better than the affirmative action standards for US blacks were still too high so he had to apply as a foreign black.

Blogger Felix Bellator October 22, 2017 11:43 AM  

@46 - Source for your acquisition times, Johnny? What was the bolt turn angle on Oswald's rifle? Was Oswald known for skill with a rifle?

Blogger dc.sunsets October 22, 2017 11:56 AM  

Nixon told Roger Stone all but directly that LBJ was instrumental. "Who controlled Dallas?" indeed.

For 50+ years those who lived in the USA didn't want the truth. We wanted instead the interlocking lies, myths and delusions that allowed a populace skewing wildly toward collective insanity to remain happy while visions of Utopian sugar plums danced in their heads, and those who stood outside the crowd's madness were denounced as heretics.

Now that such heresy is The Idea Whose Time Has Come, it's time for the delusion bubble to dissipate.

Now, but not before, there's a constituency willing to see the truth.

Myths that sustained the past 50 years are crumbling. This is but one part of the forces jack-hammering those myths.

Blogger D. Bay October 22, 2017 11:56 AM  

Bravo! Hope next Trump lets the public have access to Area 51 and the truth about the alien bodies and alien spacecraft they supposedly have stored there. Yes, I'm being serious. Bring on the JFK files.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab October 22, 2017 11:56 AM  

Even if it was just that the CIA fudged up letting Oswald in the country they'll want it classified. And the clean up with Jack Ruby will expose ties they don't want known. I doubt there's any national security. The fact that the alphabet soup can't distinguish between the good of their agency and the good of the country shouldn't be a surprise.

Anonymous Laz October 22, 2017 11:58 AM  

"Combine the above with the rates at which the shots came in..."

I've seen my dad, uncle and grandfather all put 2 accurate shots on a target moving much faster than that motorcade so fast it sounded like 1 shot. Both shotgun and bolt-action.

If you've ever been there you would realize just how close the grassy knoll and even the school book depository are. It's like shooting across your front lawn it's that close. Hitting a slow moving target at that range is child's play to anybody familiar with a long gun.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 22, 2017 12:26 PM  

There's that famous ABC special where they set up a rickety tower to the height where Oswald shot, and dragged a sled across a field at the same distance and speed, and had various police marksmen try to duplicate the shot with the same stock rifle-and-cheap-sight (Mannlicher-Carcano) combo.

If I recall, firing cold, 4 out of eleven managed to duplicate the feat (5.5 seconds from sound of first shot to sound of third shot, scoring 2 hits out of three.) But when given a half-hour of practice with the rifle, 10 out of 11 duplicated the shot, with at least one scoring all three hits and bettering the time.

Jesse Ventura did a re-enactment bit recently - the big thing that took time was working the crappy bolt on the cheap rifle.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 22, 2017 12:52 PM  

Matthew wrote:I'm rooting for Miles Mathis's theories to be correct.

Matthew -- Thank you for the reference. Most interesting.

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2017 1:14 PM  

Felix Bellator wrote:@46 - Source for your acquisition times, Johnny? What was the bolt turn angle on Oswald's rifle? Was Oswald known for skill with a rifle?

My times come from military training. As that was what they told us I assume it was what they wanted us to aspire to using an M14 with iron sights. A lighter caliber would allow for a quicker second shot owing to less kick.

Oswald was a Marine Corps trained guy so he should be good with a gun. But aside from unsupported claims, I have come across no reason to believe he was above the Marine Corps standard. He used an old Swiss gun that had a straight pull bolt, and the shooter had to release the trigger pull hand to pull the bold back on every shot.

The proper way to pull off a second shot with a likely hit is to do target acquisition. When you are on target, gently pull harder on the trigger without knowing the exact moment the gun will shoot. That represses the tendency to flinch, and a firmly pulled trigger will by itself throw aim off a little. Plus once you have the shot, take it. Further delay is of no assist.

If Oswald was this big expert at using a gun he would not have been attempting rapid fire as Kennedy had little ability to evade a second shot. One well placed shot is worth more than ten quick trigger pulls.

I live out in deer hunting country, and as gunshot noise carries for a considerable distance, if I happen to be outside I will routinely hear people shooting. There is a certain element of humor in listening to how rapidly some people pull off rounds. The thing is, if they missed with the first aimed shot you know damn well that those succeeding rapid trigger pulls are not going to hit anything. Really, overly rapid shots are the sign of an ill advised amateur.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass October 22, 2017 1:34 PM  

@Laz, yep! Been there before.

My money is that Oswald was either a Soviet or Cuban asset (think how recent the Bay of Pigs was) and/or CIA and FBI had intel indicating how crazy Oswald was and dropped the ball.

It is not surprising they may have dropped the ball.

The LBJ angle is a possibility but I don't personally buy it.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 22, 2017 1:38 PM  

Oswald qualified 'Sharpshooter' in his initial training, but later got lazy and only qualified at 'Marksman.'
The Mannlicher-Carcano is a very light 6.5mm (and cheap) bolt-action rifle, much like a .22.

Testimony from Oswald's fellow Marines was that when focused, Oswald could get very good at something, but when the pressure was off he got lazy.

Considering that Oswald probably already missed his assassination attempt against General Edwin A. Walker seven months earlier, I wonder if he practiced.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 22, 2017 2:30 PM  

@58
e used an old Swiss gun that had a straight pull bolt,

Dude, you don't even have the right gun. What else have you got wrong?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 22, 2017 2:39 PM  

@58 Johnny
He used an old Swiss gun that had a straight pull bolt,

Dude, you don't even know what rifle Oswald had. What else are you getting wrong?

Blogger Freddy October 22, 2017 3:16 PM  

https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM

Anonymous Deplorable Winning October 22, 2017 3:47 PM  

Nick wrote:It's impossible for Oswald to have been the only shooter, the kill shot came from the front, probably somewhere by the overpass.

It's almost impossible for Oswald to have been any of the shooters- if there actually were any. Killer Queen Jackie had the best shot, and she has passed away, so no conflict there.
In another theory, JFK wasn't assassinated at all. The classified files would have additional autopsy photos and reports- that might be sufficient to show that this is Fake News. The photos released so far do not appear to be of JFK.

The problem the Deep State has with JFK is that it shows how deep their perversion runs. It would red pill a lot of normies.

Maybe they'll also consider releasing the document from the fake Lincoln assassination, the one that supposedly happened in an actual theater with an admitted actor involved. Word has it these files are the oldest, still-classified documents (I doubt that).

Blogger Philip Moran October 22, 2017 3:54 PM  

There is no way that Oswald killed Kennedy alone, given the weapon he was said to have had and where he was positioned. He admitted himself that he was a patsy.

I'm a bit of conspiracy nut, but I also believe conspiracies are real...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzurtPFe9jE

Blogger Darwinian Arminian October 22, 2017 4:26 PM  

A tip of the hat to Trump for this, and may it be only the first of many such government investigations to be opened to the public. Is it too much to hope that they'll release the surveillance the FBI kept on civil rights leaders in the 60s next? I wouldn't mind living in a country where when you mention MLK's name the first thing that everyone remembers is how it sounded when they heard him yell "I'M F***ING FOR GOD!"

Anonymous Bernard October 22, 2017 4:38 PM  

Who the hell is still alive that would be unfairly damaged by release of this material?

One rumor is that Kennedy was trying to break the power of a certain tribal banking dynasty. Having their activities exposed would be very damaging for them.

Blogger Elder Son October 22, 2017 5:02 PM  

Plucking amoeba's out the swamp, is not draining the swamp. Besides, it's not what lurks in the swamp, but what lurks in the muck underneath all that swamp water. When Trump's term(s) expire, you will find this out, with a vengeance.

As for the CIA JFK files? The CIA is past that, and has moved on to other better globalist muck creature things. What are you going to do anyhow if you find that the CIA was the gunman on the Grassy Knoll? Drain the CIA? Eliminate the CIA? Million MAGA march on CIA headquarters?

You're not going to do anything but endlessly posture.

As always:

- we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” – Karl Rove

They made kings, but not through me. They set up princes, but I knew it not. With their silver and gold they made idols for their own destruction. I have spurned your calf, O Samaria. My anger turns against them. How long will they be incapable of innocence?

– Hosea 8

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 22, 2017 5:05 PM  

I want MLK's sealed documents released. You know, the ones telling about him screwing 5+ women a day, and beating many of them. Lots of other strange stuff. That would be a RIOT!

What someone needs to do is get an audio clip of the FBI tape in which the greatest of all saints in the Judeo-Christ temple of eternal dindu adoration is screaming "I'z f**ckin' fo' JEEEZUS" as he's banging one of the several white whores brought in to service him in a Memphis hotel room. This clip should be broadcast on a loop endlessly from the the giant monument to the POS in Sodom-on-Potomac. Wikileaks et al just needs to hack this kind of nonsense that our overlords like to bury for decades. Expose it all.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club October 22, 2017 5:19 PM  

While I doubt anything explosive is still in those files (even Swampies aren't that stupid), it is entertaining to see all the hysterical bloviating and seizures brought on by TDS in so many people, some of whom I know have long been calling for the release of these files, "just not by THAT guy!".

Blogger Elder Son October 22, 2017 5:29 PM  

@70 ...it is entertaining...

Releasing the JFK files IS the entertainment.

No one will dance. No one will mourn. And the Swamp Muck Creatures will carry on.

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2017 7:02 PM  

Bernard wrote:Who the hell is still alive that would be unfairly damaged by release of this material?



The government gives only scant interest to fairness, if any at all, so that is an invented reason. No doubt the full info would damage somebody in the deep state, or it could drive policy in a direction they didn't want to go. If there was some foreign power involvement we would be obliged to retaliate.

Blogger Danby October 22, 2017 8:03 PM  

Secret King Elder Son is so much more in the know, so much more cynical, so much better than y'all.

Blogger Elder Son October 22, 2017 8:59 PM  

Danby wrote:Secret King Elder Son is so much more in the know, so much more cynical, so much better than y'all.

Thank you, but I am no King. And better than some. And, I don't doubt the motives of some here for a moment. And wiser than many.

So, answer the question.

Blogger Danby October 22, 2017 9:05 PM  

It's a pose, and not a very attractive one.

You never actually asked me a question, you asked a rhetorical question of the people celebrating this, which was not meant to illuminate, but to accuse.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2017 9:29 PM  

"If I could throw out a factoid here that is seldom brought up, to accurately aim and hit a target with a rifle, from the time of target acquisition to pulling the trigger takes seven seconds. And with the recoil from any normally powerful rife, an accurate second shot takes four seconds. While these times are not absolutes, they hold up well. No amount of intense training will greatly reduce the time needed. And by the way Oswald's rifle even needed manual cocking, it was not a full semi-auto. "

Bullshit.

The 75-meter (head & shoulder silhoutte) on the army M-16 qualification Fire Table is presented for only 3 seconds.

1: I never miss.

2: If you can't make a HEAD SHOT at that distance, in that amount of time, you're fucking blind.

Seriously... when I was on a range detail once at Camp Grayling, replacing pop-up targets, the center of the 75m target was completely shot away.

You know who shoots at Grayling? Guard and Reserve. Units which have enough ammunition allotment to go send their people to qualify ONCE PER YEAR, with ZERO practice in between.

75m is the LONGEST distance within Dealy Plaza along the axis of travel of the motorcade in the interval where the shots struck... backwards to the book depository.

And in FRONT of the motorcade --- the distance to the railway overpass was less than 50 meters.

The M-16 course of fire presents THAT target for only 2 seconds.... AND the 50m targets are to the extreme right and extreme left of each shooting lane... requiring the shooter to swing the rifle into line, and make a very, VERY quick shot.

NOBODY misses the 2-second 50m target, nor the 3-second 75m target.

NOBODY.

Oh, and the 100m target, which is ALSO a head=and-shoulder silhoutte, is only presented for 4 seconds.

Even the 200m target (Head and torso) is only presented for 6 seconds.

So, I don't know where in the hell you're getting this 7-second to acquire and aim at a target from... it's complete BS.

In fact, I can shoot a 200m target AND a 50m target in 6 seconds.... Because it's part of the qualification course, and most Army personnel do it routinely. Even reserve component soldiers.

Anonymous JimR October 22, 2017 9:39 PM  

@76 Dirk Manly

You're talking to a guy who thinks Oswald used a Swiss straight pull rifle...

Blogger Were-Puppy October 22, 2017 10:03 PM  

I wan't to search those records for the phrase "Rafael Cruz"

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2017 10:06 PM  

No, I'm speaking as someone who is a military-trained shooter. I came into the army having never touched a rifle. I qualified sharpshooter (hitting 35 out of 40 targets on the pop-up range), missing Expert by 1 hit.

The point is this... the size if Dealy Plaza may seem large... but anybody who has shot at human-silhoutte targets with iron sights knows that shooting a particular designated target ANYWHERE within Dealy Plaza would be a ridiculously simple task. Even if given the notoriously not-exactly-accurate AK-47 and only 2 rounds of ammunition.

ALL of the shots against Kennedy came from along the axis of travel of the motorcade... directly to the front and directly to the rear of the presidential limousine. This leaves only the Book Depository and the railway overpass as possible points of origin for the shots.

At least 1 came from the book depository (but not from Oswald, as he was eating lunch with the building owner at the time of the shooting, and according to police, when they ran into the building only moments later, they noted that Oswald was seated, calm, and relaxed.)

At least one shot (the one that threw Kennedy's head towards the rear of the car) HAD to have come from the railway overpass.

This is all simple logic and physics (one ENTRY wound in rear shoulder)... one EXIT wound at back of head (see Zapruder's film)...

Note that the Warren Commission issued a doctored photo showing the back of Kennedy's head INTACT, claiming that JFK's head snapped backwards as a result of a pain reflex.... an obvious lie... in the amount of time needed for a pain signal to reach the brain, Kennedy's brain was already splattered all over the back of the vehicle. That was basic newtonian non-elastic impact physics, not physiological response.

Whether the rifle found in the book depository was a crudy bolt-action rifle or not is besides the point.

The 2nd shot came from the overpass, leaving PLENTY of time for even a barely-passing marksman with a crappy, and even gritty-dirty bolt-action rifle to make the 3rd shot.

But I think the whole "6th floor sniper's nest" thing is a red-herring. Much better shooting position would have been the 2nd-floor (more in line with the axis of travel of the car as the roadway descends to the underpass beneath the railway tracks).

Anonymous Jack October 22, 2017 10:41 PM  

One important lesson of the JFK case is how much disinformation will be floated around after an event, not only the media's official lone assassin story but also the loony conspiracy theories. There were hundreds of witnesses to this event, which means there is a lot of conflicting testimony, and people can cherry pick what they want to bolster whatever theory they're trying to put forward. There are several plausible, competing theories which account for much, but not all, of the evidence. The crime was never properly investigated, and we may never know what really happened as far as the actual shooting goes.

A lot of the evidence actually points to Oswald being the lone shooter, including the ballistics and medical evidence. The question, though, is whether that evidence has been tampered with. If that's the case, then who knows? Congress had a chance to investigate this thing for real in the 1970s when they re-investigated, but they caved to pressure and instead of really investigating the intelligence agencies, they cooked up the "Mafia did it" theory. You can read the behind the scenes story of this in The Last Investigation by Gaeton Fonzi. Years later, Jefferson Morley proved that the man who the CIA assigned as liason to the congressional investigation was actually the man who worked with the anti-Castro cuban groups that Oswald was in touch with, a man named George Joannides. This caused Chief Counsel Robert Blakey to finally admit that the CIA lied to the investigators.

What seems increasingly likely is that Oswald was being used, probably without his knowledge, as some low level pawn in an intelligence operation having to do with Cuba. Then he either shoots the president, or gets set up as the patsy. The most important and thorough work on this is being done by John Newman. He has several books, and also presentations on youtube.

The best argument for multiple shooters, in my opinion, is Hear No Evil by Donald Thomas. He's on youtube as well.

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2017 10:42 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79lOKs0Kr_Y

supposedly LBJ's mistress lets the cat out of the bag......

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2017 10:45 PM  

Do you see what's going to happen?

Do you see?

Anonymous Clouseau October 22, 2017 11:06 PM  

@39 (Otto) - I think that's about right. This could be a gambit on the part of Trump to try to get something else out of the Deep State agencies, by threating to (further) discredit them. He does know how to deal.

As to the discussions of the Mannlicher-Carcano aspect of the assassination, a good book (fiction) to read is The Third Bullet by Stephen Hunter. It's a novelized version of a second-shooter conspiracy theory. Hunter is a serious gun guy and deals extensively with the history, ballistics, etc. of the Mannlicher-Carcano design. He even went the the trouble of developing his own wildcat load to fire a modified Mannlicher-Carcano bullet from a different cartridge in a more accurate gun.

Blogger DonReynolds October 22, 2017 11:12 PM  

January 22nd, 1973 is the important date, not November 22nd, 1963.
Lyndon Johnson died on that date and before he died he promised that the TRUTH about the JFK assassination would be made public fifty years after his own death. That will be in 2023....another six years....but President Trump may still be in office.
Then again, President Trump may release the facts early.
I hope so.

Blogger DonReynolds October 22, 2017 11:33 PM  

In my opinion, the story has already been told, but hardly anyone was paying attention.
Why was the president in Dallas?
Because he was going to Fort Worth to give a speech at the General Dynamics plant, and Dallas had the big airport at Love Field. He went there to tell the workers that he had decided to award the TFX contract to Boeing instead of General Dynamics. Everyone knew what he meant when he told the workers he was going to save the American people a billion dollars.
Were there multiple shooters?
Most certainly.
Was Lyndon Johnson involved?
Most certainly.
And the source is entirely credible, none other than John Connally....governor of Texas, also shot with JFK in the same car.
As Connally was being shot, what did he say?
"My God....They are going to kill ALL of us!"
Connally was not surprised there was a shooting.
THEY were supposed to kill Kennedy....they meaning more than one shooter.
But apparently, John Connally expected this to be a surgical hit...and he was not to be shot...twice.

Blogger Technomad October 23, 2017 2:09 AM  

Gerald Posner's Case Closed makes a pretty good case for the "lone shooter" theory. But a lot of the "big conspiracy did in wonderful perfect JFK for Reasons" crowd wouldn't be convinced if a choir of angels came down from heaven with a revelation that Oswald did it and acted alone. They have too much of an emotional investment in theire theories.

Anonymous Avalanche October 23, 2017 8:26 AM  

@25 "A couple grainy pics place him at the site. Also, some hazy CIA employment stuff looks fairly damning as well. I know many folks have lots and lots of theories, but my bet is on former CIA director, then a newb, George Bush 41."

This wouldn't surprise me in the least-- but how likely is it there is some document saying: "Hey little Georgie, here's a gun go shoot the prez?!"

I'm afraid there will be a LOT more "what if's" and (legit) "conspiracy" fuel -- but there won't be a ... "figuratively literal" smoking gun.

Anonymous TheTruthIsNeverAcceptable October 23, 2017 8:56 AM  

I sat and discussed with the wife of a man who personally heard former President Johnson, in a drunken rage, admit to and lamented allowing the assassination of Kennedy. His cooperation was necessary since without his support to undo what Kennedy was doing such as: moving the CIA under the DoD, completely pulling out of Vietnam, and dumping the Federal Reserve and issuing U.S. government backed currency to pay off the Reserve debt and use as U.S. legal tender going forward (there are people who have the notes from the sample printing), getting rid of Kennedy wouldn't have accomplished very much. Johnson had the additional motivation that Kennedy was dumping him as VP when he ran for his second term.

Blogger horsewithnonick October 23, 2017 9:34 AM  

OT: Mueller investigating Podesta?

Anonymous Avalanche October 23, 2017 9:37 AM  

@35 "Needless to say, almost every aspect of the Federal government actively participated in deceiving the American citizenry."

Somewhere, in the past couple years, I read that someone ("conspiracy theorist"?)has found that the Zapruder film was ALSO edited.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-does-the-zapruder-film-really-tell-us-14194/

(with, of course, a pile comments pro and con, snarking and supporting -- just like always!)

Anonymous Anonymous October 23, 2017 12:07 PM  

there will be so many lines blacked out, you won't be able to read one complete sentence

Blogger Felix Bellator October 23, 2017 7:46 PM  

@79 Dirk Manly, "This is all simple logic and physics..."

I agree with a lot of what you said. But as for the headshot that threw Kennedy's head back coming from the railway pass, eh, not so sure. This has an interesting write up about the effect, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/headwnd.htm . Logic is tricky with bullets, physics sometimes too. Think about a container with a non-Newtonian fluid in it, pressurize the fluid, and then open a small hole on one side of the container, and a larger hole on the other. Which way does the container move? Of course, in a headshot the pressure gets increased in the brain upon entry, with some transfer of momentum from the bullet transiting the skull in two places and pushing on the brain tissue. But the pressure flow is likely to be slower than the bullet transit, so you have a large hole jetting fluid and a smaller hole jetting fluid so the head moves towards the shooter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzyw7AcHbuY

Blogger Chuck October 23, 2017 10:43 PM  

How about declassifying the MLK files while he is at it. That ought to really set the leftiies' heads spinning.

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