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Wednesday, October 11, 2017

You know the government is inept

So why trust its advice when it comes to food? Do you really think they're going to handle such a complicated subject more effectively than basic highway maintenance or the Department of Motor Vehicles?
What lesson can we draw from the cautionary tales of eggs and trans fats? We would surely be slow learners if we didn't approach other well-established, oft-repeated, endlessly recycled nuggets of nutritional correctness with a rather jaundiced eye. Let's start with calories. After all, we've been told that counting them is the foundation for dietetic rectitude, but it's beginning to look like a monumental waste of time. Slowly but surely, nutrition researchers are shifting their focus to the concept of "satiety", that is, how well certain foods satisfy our appetites. In this regard, protein and fat are emerging as the two most useful macronutrients. The penny has dropped that starving yourself on a calorie-restricted diet of crackers and crudités isn't any answer to the obesity epidemic.

As protein and fat bask in the glow of their recovering nutritional reputation, carbohydrates – the soft, distended belly of government eating advice – are looking decidedly peaky. Carbs are the largest bulk ingredient featured on the NHS's visual depiction of its recommended diet, the Eat Well Plate. Zoë Harcombe, an independent nutrition expert, has pithily renamed it the Eat Badly Plate – and you can see why. After all, we feed starchy crops to animals to fatten them, so why won't they have the same effect on us? This less favourable perception of carbohydrates is being fed by trials which show that low carb diets are more effective than low fat and low protein diets in maintaining a healthy body weight.

When fat was the nutrition establishment's Wicker Man, the health-wrecking effects of sugar on the nation's health sneaked in under the radar. Stick "low fat" on the label and you can sell people any old rubbish. Low fat religion spawned legions of processed foods, products with ramped up levels of sugar, and equally dubious sweet substitutes, to compensate for the inevitable loss of taste when fat is removed. The anti-saturated fat dogma gave manufacturers the perfect excuse to wean us off real foods that had sustained us for centuries, now portrayed as natural born killers, on to more lucrative, nutrient-light processed products, stiff with additives and cheap fillers.

In line with the contention that foods containing animal fats are harmful, we have also been instructed to restrict our intake of red meat. But crucial facts have been lost in this simplistic red-hazed debate. The weak epidemiological evidence that appears to implicate red meat does not separate well-reared, unprocessed meat from the factory farmed, heavily processed equivalent that contains a cocktail of chemical additives, preservatives and so on. Meanwhile, no government authority has bothered to tell us that lamb, beef and game from free-range, grass-fed animals is a top source of conjugated linoleic acid, the micronutrient that reduces our risk of cancer, obesity and diabetes.

Government diet gurus and health charities have long been engaged on a salt reduction crusade, but what has been missing from this noble effort is the awareness that excessive salt is a problem of processed food. High salt is essential to that larger-than-life processed food taste. Without salt, and a sub-set of assorted chemical flavour enhancers, processed foods would be exposed for what they are: products that have lost their natural savour and nutritional integrity. Salt-free cornflakes, for instance, would be well nigh inedible. No one would want to buy them because they would see that they are a heap of nutritional uselessness. But where is the evidence that salt added as normal seasoning to home cooked food constitutes a health risk?

With salt, as with sugar, the public health establishment is too cowardly to take on the powerful processed food companies and their lobbyists by drawing a distinction between home-prepared food cooked from scratch and industrial convenience food.
Eat less, exercise more, and eat more protein and fewer carbs. My father figured that out 25 years ago. Remember, science that is actually reliable is not called science. It is called "engineering".

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130 Comments:

Blogger Gloriam Deo October 11, 2017 1:18 PM  

Isn’t this common sense? CICO and eat more muscle building stuff. How do people not know this by now?

Anonymous map October 11, 2017 1:19 PM  

If you want to go back in time and see what a beautiful woman looked like who was in shape and ate meet, see Cyd Charisse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=21&v=7YWBOfsXsDA

Blogger dc.sunsets October 11, 2017 1:23 PM  

Ask a doctor why he wants you on a high carb diet. He'll answer, "No one recommends a high carb diet." Then ask him if he know enough about nutrition to realize that a low fat diet leaves only protein and carbs, and protein consumed in excess of amino acid need is simply split into a nitrogenous compound and a carb, and the carb is burned like a carb (duh.)

So again, Doctor, can you see that "low fat" is synonymous with "high carb?" And why I, doctor, I think you're no better than a well-trained seal?

Anonymous bw October 11, 2017 1:24 PM  

High fats

Blogger Timmy3 October 11, 2017 1:24 PM  

We are less healthy from their advice so we do what we want. Then we really are unhealthy. I eaten more bacon and red meat after hearing how wrong the government is about fatty foods. Then again, fish and chicken are more healthier except when they are more susceptible to mercury or bad farming techniques. Eating less might be the only way out, but I love buffets and all foods get a sampling.

Anonymous Iacobus October 11, 2017 1:26 PM  

I care more about where the food is actually made, like how Hershey's and Nabisco started making their products in Mexico. Yeah. No. I especially refuse to buy any food that's not made in a first-world country.

Blogger S1AL October 11, 2017 1:31 PM  

Carbs are great if you need a rapid, short-term energy boost. Fat for slow burn.

But with the number of office jobs these days, carbs are usually the worst choice.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 11, 2017 1:33 PM  

For 50 years or more the FDA's "experts" coasted higher on a trajectory of trust, amplified by shills on TeeVee where advertisers' wishes were sacrosanct. All the good science Proctor & Gamble and Kellogg could give you. What's good for Milo Enterprises is Good For Everyone.

Vaccines were miracles, their manufacturers were miracle workers. Big Ag was a wholesome source for food that (somehow) didn't skyrocket in price during 36 years of rampant credit inflation. Your doctor was a great person to ask for objective (ahem) information on health & nutrition. The FDA had one word for its doubters: Thalidomide. (Please don't notice a dozen counter-examples.)

All those food, drug and disease management guidelines? Written by people who had a monstrous financial conflicts of interest. Been there, done that, watched it happen.

We hit Peak Trust. It turned to Peak Abused Trust. Americans are in Rape Recovery while their "government expert" rapists all tip beers together on K-street. Let's not get started on vaccines.

Blogger RobertT October 11, 2017 1:34 PM  

Diet's a big deal. Full keto works. Calorie deprived keto combined with intermittent fasting works better. Fat pours off. Recognized treatment/cure? for epilepsy & diabetes. For me primary benefit was more mobile & flexible than 40 years ago.

Blogger Jew613 October 11, 2017 1:37 PM  

I hate to give the hippies credit for anything but organic meats do taste way better then the factory farm stuff.

Anonymous Lars Porsena October 11, 2017 1:38 PM  

I agree with the general gist of the article. I do not understand why is he claiming counting calories doesn't work though. He talks about a calorie restricted diet of crackers, but crackers are loaded with calories which makes me wonder if he is counting them right.

A serving of 4 club crackers contains 70 calories at 14g. 14g of ground beef contains only 23 calories. 14g of celery is 2 calories. Anyone who's counting calories and eating crackers instead of beef is doing it completely wrong, so no wonder it does not work.

The calorie argument IMO generally supports the "eat more fat" Atkins style argument because meat and fat is actually fairly low in calories by volume compared to most things on the store shelf. A box of club crackers is apx. 2000 calories, a little less than a pound of crackers. A pound of ground beef only 750 calories.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 11, 2017 1:38 PM  

Mmmmm coconut oil (70% saturated fat.) Avocado oil, even better (mostly monosaturated fat.) Mouth waters, thinking of heavy whipping cream...(100% milkfat.)

Anonymous VFM #7916 October 11, 2017 1:39 PM  

Now is the perfect time to get some chickens, if you're rural or in an enlightened city that allows farm animals. Eat your own eggs.

Raise a pig, if you can. Process it locally and eat your own pork.

Failing that, there are lots of people who can sell you a half or whole side of pork, beef, etc. Invest in a chest freezer and budget for that large annual purchase, but you'll stop buying store meats as you realize they taste like cardboard compared to what you're eating.

You can even go see how it's being raised. Wean yourself off of the instant gratification of supermarket food and learn to plan ahead to ensure you eat well. It's the white thing to do, after all.

Anonymous VFM #7916 October 11, 2017 1:41 PM  

@11

Costco has some zero carb protein shakes that are super to combine with a cup of 40% milkfat heavy cream. Makes for a satisfying meal.

And, notwithstanding my above post, SPAM. The original kind. Incredibly satiating when combined with some cheese.

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 11, 2017 1:42 PM  

Part of the problem is that simply nothing is as reliably shelf-stable as carbohydrates. That makes them both cheap and easy to keep around, and these two advantages are even more important for people who are middle to low income.

Blogger JACIII October 11, 2017 1:43 PM  

bw wrote:High fats

Yep. Eat like you (great)grandparents did when they lived on a farm and grew/raised their own food. And work(out) as hard as they did.

Anymore, it is difficult to get enough fat in. If one is to believe that the mono fats are the desirable ones there's not a lot past olive oil and avocados handy.

Blogger Metric October 11, 2017 1:47 PM  

>Remember, science that is actually reliable is not called science. It is called "engineering".

Putting that in a less less engineering-centric (but equivalent) way: If you're not pushing into the domain of the unknown, you're not really doing science.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 11, 2017 1:48 PM  

6. Iacobus October 11, 2017 1:26 PM
I especially refuse to buy any food that's not made in a first-world country.



what if you're a 1st world country with a 3rd world food production system?

effectively, you can't buy Coca-Cola made with real sugar ( sucrose ) in the US. but you can get glass bottles ( also important because the plastic bottles leach into the cola ) imported from Mexico. all the US made stuff is full of high fructose corn syrup.


by the by, while sucrose may not be the best thing for you, fructose is an out and out poison. humans can't metabolize fructose and in order to dispose of it the liver is harmed almost as much as drinking an equivalent amount of alcohol.




After all, we feed starchy crops to animals to fatten them, so why won't they have the same effect on us?


that's another of the benefits of making sure that kids don't know anything about biological processes ... like growing plants.


Crisco is another interesting development. the rise of Crisco ( and other hydrogenated vegetable oils ) killed the use of lard ( rendered pork belly fat ).

did you know that, prior to WW2, lard use was so common that you could find it dispensed in trays on the dining table? used as a substitute for butter in many cases?

it might simply be incompetence and greed.

but it surely does look like somebody is trying to kill us through our food systems.

Blogger JACIII October 11, 2017 1:49 PM  

VFM #7916 wrote:@11


And, notwithstanding my above post, SPAM. The original kind. Incredibly satiating when combined with some cheese.


Yeah.... NO. Have you ever seen what that stuff does to a good high carbon steel knife if not immediately scrubbed?

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 1:49 PM  

"Eat less . . ."

Eat than what, and why? Eating less is the way to lose weight, but not necessarily fat.

Diet (and exercise) aren't about aren't about weight loss. Diet is about nutrition (as is the article) and exercise is about producing desired metabolic adaptations to stressors.

Automatically assuming that diet and exercise are about weight loss (and without differentiating what "weight" is being lost) is one of the symptoms of our corrupted times, the very thing the article is speaking against.

Blogger Dave October 11, 2017 1:49 PM  

Gloriam Deo wrote:Isn’t this common sense? CICO and eat more muscle building stuff. How do people not know this by now?

You mean people like most doctors? See @3 dc.sunsets

Anonymous Baseball Savant October 11, 2017 1:51 PM  

I'm 5'10/260lbs and have been running full keto for almost a year now. I've never been stronger in my life and never leaner. I will eat carbs but only if I'm feeling completely depleted. I struggled with figuring out carbs for the first 4 years of doing bodybuilding and finally figured out over the last year that I can't eat them unless they are the very simple variety (think jelly on white bread) and only after workouts or right before bed. Carbs are the worst.

Blogger JACIII October 11, 2017 1:52 PM  

After all, we feed starchy crops to animals to fatten them, so why won't they have the same effect on us?

Put another way, this is useful at the dinner table:

"We feed corn to hogs to make them fat. Think it won't work on you?"

Anonymous Baseball Savant October 11, 2017 1:54 PM  

Anymore, it is difficult to get enough fat in. If one is to believe that the mono fats are the desirable ones there's not a lot past olive oil and avocados handy.

Agree here. It is more difficult but if you try you can always increase the % fat of your ground beef and eat a crap ton of fish oil. I asked a bodybuilding coach the other day how much fish oil I should be eating and he told me as many capules that I can hold in a handful. Also whole eggs. But I'm with you. Lots of EVOO and avocado. When I'm trying to increase metabolism, I eat both with every meal.

Blogger Dave October 11, 2017 1:55 PM  

it might simply be incompetence and greed.

Primarily greed. As Zaklog said shelf stable; that drove the push for hydrogenated vegetable oils.

Blogger JACIII October 11, 2017 1:57 PM  

kfg wrote:"Eat less . . ."

Eat than what, and why? Eating less is the way to lose weight, but not necessarily fat.



Don't feel like you have to finish that big plate of food. Start paying attention to when your stomach says, "That was good, but I'm full." and push the plate away. Safe the leftovers for lunch tomorrow.
We all do this, especially when that last bowl of chili was sooo good, or that first burger was grilled just right. Can you tell I'm last for lunch?

Blogger S1AL October 11, 2017 1:57 PM  

"by the by, while sucrose may not be the best thing for you, fructose is an out and out poison. humans can't metabolize fructose and in order to dispose of it the liver is harmed almost as much as drinking an equivalent amount of alcohol."

Man, bob's been into the good stuff today.

Sucrose literally contains fructose. You can't say that the former is good and the latter is bad.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 11, 2017 1:58 PM  

8. dc.sunsets October 11, 2017 1:33 PM
that (somehow) didn't skyrocket in price during 36 years of rampant credit inflation.



have to crush the family farmer somehow.


8. dc.sunsets October 11, 2017 1:33 PM
The FDA



that's another thing.

what is the purpose of qualifying for FDA certification for your drugs? i mean, aside from the obvious access to the prescription MONOPOLY system.

IF
FDA drug trials are efficacious
AND
companies spend untold tens ( hundreds? ) of millions to qualify a new drug as government certified "safe"
THEN
why does the individual company remain legally liable for damages after receiving said .gov certification?

isn't it the FDAs *fault* for allowing fraudulent or inept testing protocols to qualify as "FDA Approved"?

shouldn't every single successful lawsuit against a drug company be paid out of the FDAs budget?

why not?

unless the FDA protocols don't really have anything to do with protecting the public at all ...

Blogger S1AL October 11, 2017 1:59 PM  

By-the-by, how much longer does shekel guy have? The monomania is giving me a headache.

Blogger JACIII October 11, 2017 2:01 PM  

S1AL wrote:By-the-by, how much longer does shekel guy have? The monomania is giving me a headache.

The most lame troll by far.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville October 11, 2017 2:03 PM  

Farmers also buy bulk reject candy from factories to feed to cattle too.

Atkins was ahead of his time and roundly mocked.

Bake and fry with lard instead of vegetable oil. You can still get it in most grocery stores if you ask where it is hidden.

Cod fillets fried in coconut oil is fantastic.

Grocers in my city have Mexican bottled Coke made with real cane sugar if you still want to poison yourself with useless sugary crap. They keep them in a small stand away from the cola section.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville October 11, 2017 2:06 PM  

@24 It is more difficult but if you try you can always increase the % fat of your ground beef

Stop buying the 95% lean hamburger that is flavorless crap. Since we switched to 80% hamburgers are tasty AND juicy with all that good fat.

Since we're on hamburger, Heinz ketchup has ditched corn syrup and now only uses cane sugar.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 11, 2017 2:08 PM  

28. S1AL October 11, 2017 1:57 PM
Sucrose literally contains fructose.



"contains" being the operative word.

or do you also intend to stop eating all fruits? you know, given that they also derive their sweetness primarily from fructose?

or does moderation play any part in this?

i'm not advocating sucrose consumption. i'm pointing out that if you're going to eat sugar, sucrose is far better than pure fructose.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 2:09 PM  

@9 RobertT

With the right type of controlled Keto diet, you can actually cure childhood epilepsy. Diet was devised in the 1920s. Fascinating stuff.

As to the topic, it's already been mentioned, Low-Carb & Intermittent Fasting is far & away the most beneficial diet for a "normal" human.

On the far more technical side of things, the real issue is Energy Abundance. Low-Carb, Moderate-Protein & High Fat are *Best* when you have sufficient calories because you have to modulate and control for Energy Intake.

When you're cutting it close for calories in total, you just need enough Fat + Protein to survive. Once you get behind ~1800 kCal per day, the "form" of your diet matters massively.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 2:10 PM  

"Don't feel like you have to finish that big plate of food. Start paying attention to when your stomach says, "That was good, but I'm full.""

What if you're trying to gain "weight"? Perhaps even fat (yes, being too lean can be a serious health risk).

"Eat less" is horrible advice to an anorexic. And most athletes.

Understand the body and how it works. Then you can properly assess its state and what must be done to change it to something you consider more desirable.

Which for a hipster stick would likely mean eating more, and more of the right things (as well as how to stimulate the body to produce the right kind of "weight").

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 11, 2017 2:11 PM  

VFM #7916 wrote:Raise a pig, if you can. Process it locally and eat your own pork.

Better: raise and eat rabbits. Much more efficient and easier to do, almost anywhere. Of course many people can't get past the idea of eating the fuzzy little guys, but that passes.

And yes, ditto on the chickens.

Blogger Raben Wulf October 11, 2017 2:12 PM  

For losing body fat, I usually recommend going on a Keto diet for a month or two. Then clean carbs/less processed foods after, while maintaining an exercise schedule. Hell just an airdyne bike + proper diet can do wonders, even for those with a desk job.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 11, 2017 2:13 PM  

@1, truth. But people don’t know. They want to eat their cake and have it, too. Cutting carbs in favor of fatty foods? Sounds great but hearing that you can eat sat fat now just means they can have real butter and eggs in their cakes, not “no more (or a whole lot less) cake.”

I’m eating keto right now. One week in, zero gluten or any grains, already I feel better. Some say this is the default human diet, probably especially so for northern/Eastern Europeans. Around the world, people thrive and stay relatively lean on diets high in starches.

There is something else, some poison in the food supply that is causing obesity. HFCS is certainly poison. Too much sugar, maybe even the glyphosate used on growing crops or to desiccate wheat for harvest. I’m personally sceptical of anything Big Ag Tech uses in food production.

So, with the exception of the bags or boxes rice, beans, or dried herbs/spices come in, don’t eat anything packaged and processed to death.

NERD ALERT: I personally eat low carb but I don’t restrict the kids. I invested in a flour mill and buy whole wheat and spelt grains from an organic co-op. I grind my own flour to feed sourdough starter and bake all of our bread from it. They get cookies and muffins, just the homemade kind. I’m lucky enough to live near PA where raw milk is available for purchase, and I make yogurt and basic cheeses, too. I raise chickens also, and we hunt our red meat. If we want beef, we know a few local farmers who have 100% grass fed and pasture raised cattle and hogs for purchase. It’s not that difficult but you do need TIME which I understand is in short supply when you’re out of the house 50 hours a week working and commuting.

See, this is all a great big web. How can women adequately feed their families if they’re working? Hey Mom we have the solution! Cereal, plastic-wrapped everything to shrink your kids gonads, and heat ‘n eat trays of carbs plus trans fat for dinner!

The vegans are wrong. The govt is wrong.

Lift heavy, eat your protein, cook your own food as often as possible.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 2:16 PM  

"Better: raise and eat rabbits."

Guinea pigs were also domesticated as a food animal, but look like pets to developed country zoning inspectors.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 2:18 PM  

@17 Bob

One thing to keep in mind with a lot of this stuff, in the post-WW2 era, they were looking for the fastest way possible to scale productions. Lard scales with how many pigs are being slaughtered. You can produced multiple factors more Soybeans by weight.

The problem? Eh, we didn't have a dang clue about how any of this stuff worked until somewhere in the late 70s, at the earliest. Don't let the science folks convince you they knew what they were doing. They really didn't have a clue. (Which is true of most science.) A bunch of guys trying to get fit figured out nearly all of the "science" behind modern nutrition. It's sad, really.


@10 Jew613

He's a great point people can use on others. The entire rise of the "Organic" movement has nothing to do with health. It's wholly so rich Whites in Liberal enclaves can buy higher quality products and still feel good about themselves.

See, if they're buying "Organic", it means they're helping! Don't you see? I'm HELPING! I'm BEING GREEN! Please ignore that I'm paying $20 per lb for top-quality steak because it tastes much better. No, I'm helping support local producers! Can't you see how Green I am? See the Prius outside? That's mine! (Please ignore the luxury 4-dr I drive to work.)

I don't fault people for wanting to pay the cost for higher quality products. Just please don't use it to be sanctimonious about it. That's what makes it annoying.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 2:20 PM  

"Hell just an airdyne bike . . ."

Jumping Jacks and flatfoot dancing accomplish the same thing without the expense and space of commercial equipment.

Most exercise equipment exists to sell exercise equipment, not to facilitate exercise. Treadmills and elipticals are the worst, because they require unnatural muscle patterns. Stay away from them.

Anonymous Taylor Woe October 11, 2017 2:22 PM  

"science that is actually reliable is not called science. It is called "engineering"."
Also, I have observed that any subject with science in the name is not actually science, whereas scientific disciplines have their own names. Compare social science, political science, climate science, and unfortunately medical science, to physics, chemistry, biology, geology, engineering.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 2:25 PM  

@39 Midnight Avenue J

Any HFCS does a number. But it's Gluten + Vegetable Oil. The China Study (2009, I think) linked this to excess fat around the gut. It's the fat around the gut that puts stress on the pancreas and liver. That's where the damage comes in.

Next issue is more practical. You can't eat a lot of Fat without Carbs. But if you put the two together, you can eat upwards of 5x as much food. Plenty of us could probably polish off several pizzas over the course of a few hours. Try doing that amount of calories in chocolate truffles rich in butter. You'll be puking your guts before you get to half as many calories.

This matters because if you start nibbling, very quickly you can get 3000, 3500 or 4000 calories in a day.

Blogger James Dixon October 11, 2017 2:26 PM  

> No. I especially refuse to buy any food that's not made in a first-world country.

I can't tell how many products in the seafood section at Walmart say China or Vietnam. I throw them back. unfortunately, Kroger and Foodlion are just as bad.

> effectively, you can't buy Coca-Cola made with real sugar

Pepsi is selling versions made with sugar again. You have to look for them, but they're there.

> the rise of Crisco ( and other hydrogenated vegetable oils ) killed the use of lard

Lard is still readily available and cheap. Use it.

> Better: raise and eat rabbits. M

If you live in the country, that's hardly necessary. They raise themselves for you.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 2:28 PM  

On children and food:

Butter, Cheese & Milk. That's the staple children really need, unless some odd allergy.

The main reasons is that a child mostly burns fat as their primary energy source in most of the body. The process of development slowly shifts over to glucose utilization because the full energy load of an adult needs the faster re-accumulation of energy.

This is also why it's a good idea to slather vegetables in butter, cheese or milk. That way they get the rest of the nutrition as well.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 11, 2017 2:30 PM  

Both myself and wife cut way down on carbs, blood numbers way to the better, lost weight and doctors astounded.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 2:31 PM  

Part of the problem is that simply nothing is as reliably shelf-stable as carbohydrates. That makes them both cheap and easy to keep around

Which also makes them the preferred calorie source of bureaucrats who want to run the ag/food system like a 4X computer game. They want food to be cheap, well-preserved, and as fungible as possible, so they can store it and move it around to where they think it's needed, so their clients can afford a lot of it with food stamps, and so they can undercut global competitors on price and volume.

It's far easier to do all of that with processed grain products than with meat, vegetables, dairy (they can and do store cheese when prices are low, hence the "government cheese" meme, but still nothing like grain), fruit, or anything else. So guess what gets promoted by everyone from nutritionists to the departments handing out farm subsidies?

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 2:32 PM  

@39 Midnight Avenue J

There one other major culprit with obesity: Gluten Content of Wheat.

Over the last 150 years, the gluten content in most Wheat is upwards of 100% higher. This matters because Gluten is an allergen. It's also an analog to Thyroid Hormones. If you build up & exposure allergy to wheat, it slowly becomes an allergy to your own thyroid, which causes you to eat more. And put on weight. It becomes a vicious cycle.

The other part is that we have a lot of people alive, with naturally weaker health, than would have without modern medicine. That produces an underclass that will get fat when well fed. Which is exactly what has happened.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 11, 2017 2:33 PM  

@Looking Glass, white abdominal fat is a killer. Fat (veg oils esp.) plus carbs is a recipe for disaster.

Lean tissue = protein plus clean/whole food carbs (sweet potatoes, lean meats, rice no fat)
Fat loss = protein, green/non-sweet veg, limited fruits, good fats for fuel and satiety, restricted carbs
Weight gain = fats and carbs together from any source in any combo to the exclusion of adequate protein

It’s not to say you can’t have cookies or pizza sometimes, but sometimes has become every single day, multiple times per day. The way children eat, and I see it up close, daily...it’s a sin. Yes, meals are following the govt dictated myplate or whatever, but it’s wrong! I know it’s wrong, but people trust the gov, you know...

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 11, 2017 2:35 PM  

41. Looking Glass October 11, 2017 2:18 PM
The problem? Eh, we didn't have a dang clue about how any of this stuff worked until somewhere in the late 70s, at the earliest.



no, that IS the problem. we *knew* about a lot of this stuff much earlier AND IT WAS SUPPRESSED.

the guy who advocated for "eating fat causes congestive heart failure"? he actively suppressed all evidence to the contrary.

the points about shelf life and production scaling are valid.

now, WHO would have an interest in suppressing pork consumption? i wonder ...

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 2:35 PM  

@48 Cail Corishev

You know, thinking of government bureaucrats as Civ players makes sense.

And they're all f***ing terrible.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 11, 2017 2:36 PM  

I like where you’re headed, but it’s like you can’t tell I’ve already read Wheat Belly, Nourishing Traditions, paleobprimal books out the yin yang, and am generally in a state of permanent distrust of any official govt recos... ;-)

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 2:38 PM  

@51 Bob

Cattle farmers in the Midwest. They controlled most of the central plains Ag up through Chicago. The Jews were mostly kept out of the farming business in the places that mattered.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 2:39 PM  

"Which also makes them the preferred calorie source of bureaucrats who want to . . ."

. . .work the peasants to death at the least expense.

Eat Special K, and eat less, is what you tell your fungible worker units to do.

Don't be a coolie.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 2:40 PM  

@50 Midnight Avenue J

Since you're up on this, has anyone come to any useful conclusion on the order for Fat desirability? Everyone keeps going all over the place on what is the generally "good" fats, as it seems everyone has a pet Fat they want to push.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 11, 2017 2:45 PM  

Looking Glass, as far as “pet fats” I can’t say one is better for me, or anyone else,than another. Those that are extracted by hexanes are out. If they come from plant or animal sources and are extracted via rendering, pressing, or separation cream from milk, butterfat from cream), they should be good fats to eat. Also, any high fat foods like meats, avocados, coconut, are ok sources of good fats.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 11, 2017 2:47 PM  

Quality food and moderation: what you put in.

Exercise on a regular basis: what you take out.

One thing I gave up long ago was caring a damn about what I weigh. I just try to maintain good condition. I fast occasionally on the basis that it's good training of the will and gives the digestive system a rest.

Sometimes instead of fasting I'll choose one food (sweet corn or spinach or similar) and just eat that and nothing else for 1 to 3 days.

It works for me. I guess that's the only advice I would give anyone; apart from some common sense, find a system that works for you and forget about what anyone else says. If you're not happy with your weight or your condition then change your system until you are. Experiment.

Yeah, and like Vox says, don't listen to the government, don't pay much attention to "recent studies suggest ..." press reports, don't get your knickers twisted over eggs, sugar, salt or anything else. Just do your thing sensibly and get on with life.

Eating and exercising are essential parts of life, but they're not life itself.

Live!

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 2:47 PM  

" . . .has anyone come to any useful conclusion on the order for Fat desirability?"

There is no "order." It's about the optimum balance. But, to make things easy, just staying away from the processed vegetable oils is more than 90% of the battle.

I'll also note that lard is the animal fat most like human in make up. We aren't called "Long Pork" arbitrarily.

Anonymous Avalanche October 11, 2017 2:49 PM  

@1 "common sense? CICO "

No, because CICO has turned out to been very much, very often WRONG!

Come up to the current year! (to coin as phrase):

9 More Calorie Myths We Should All Stop Believing
https://www.marksdailyapple.com/9-more-calorie-myths-we-should-all-stop-believing/

7 Common Calorie Myths We Should All Stop Believing
https://www.marksdailyapple.com/7-common-calorie-myths-we-should-all-stop-believing/


Why Won’t We Tell Diabetics the Truth?
https://robbwolf.com/2017/01/05/why-wont-we-tell-diabetics-the-truth/

And if you like deep sceicne:

http://garytaubes.com/calories-fat-or-carbohydrates/
Calories, fat or carbohydrates? Why diets work (when they do).

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 11, 2017 2:53 PM  

An idiot wrote:fructose is an out and out poison. humans can't metabolize fructose
Sucrose is a dimer.  Fully half of sucrose is fructose (other half glucose).

in order to dispose of it the liver is harmed almost as much as drinking an equivalent amount of alcohol.
People don't get cirrhosis from drinking sodapop.

the rise of Crisco ( and other hydrogenated vegetable oils ) killed the use of lard ( rendered pork belly fat ).
You can buy it in 4-pound tubs at the grocery store.

Jeff aka Orville wrote:You can still get it in most grocery stores if you ask where it is hidden.
Right out there at WalMart, though on the bottom shelf IIRC.  Been a while since I looked.

Maybe this is to cater to Mexicans; the tubs are prominently labelled "Manteca".

Blogger stevo October 11, 2017 2:54 PM  

The Canada food guide is still promoting this crap in the public schools with expensive high gloss publications

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 2:54 PM  

Better: raise and eat rabbits.

Rabbits are efficient, and good in limited space. Be aware, though, that they're very low fat. Prairie Indians sometimes suffered from "rabbit starvation" when other game was scarce and they had to rely too heavily on rabbits. Just make sure you get enough fat from somewhere else. Shouldn't be a problem unless you rely on them as your only food for a while.

Blogger DonReynolds October 11, 2017 2:55 PM  

Calling the government inept is giving them a pass. We do not slap a retarded kid when he spills his milk. The government is not retarded, but they lack credibility because they skip the part about being objective and working for the American people. They sell their birthright for a bowl of lentil stew (pottage) every single day.

Who do they sell it to? Lobbyists and the donor class and the Chamber of Commerce and the trading-card politicians and the ideologues, entrenched deep in the bureaucracy and the media. The government has no credibility because they have no word of their own. Their word is for sale and they do not even consider it lying.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 2:58 PM  

"Right out there at WalMart, though on the bottom shelf IIRC."

If it's on the bottom shelf under the Crisco, it's hydrogenated. Non-hydrogenated lard requires refrigeration, just like cream and butter.

Anonymous Anonymous October 11, 2017 2:59 PM  

@60 Thank you, CICO was bugging me and you responded much better than I could.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 3:03 PM  

See, this is all a great big web.

And it goes beyond food. When you realize they're completely full of crap in one area (nutrition), it's easier to believe they're full of crap in others (education, vaccinations, economics, etc.). That's why you can scratch a homeschool group and find people making their own lard or talking about 9/11 theories.

You know, thinking of government bureaucrats as Civ players makes sense.

So much so that I'd blame it on that, except that I know most of them are Boomers or older, so they actually predate those games. But they have the exact same attitude of, "I'll grow all the food over here where I get a +1 on Agriculture, do the manufacturing over there where there's a +1 for Productivity, wipe out this neighborhood and slap another airport down there...." Which is fine in a game, just not so much in real life.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 11, 2017 3:09 PM  

65. kfg October 11, 2017 2:58 PM
If it's on the bottom shelf under the Crisco, it's hydrogenated.



sssshhhhh.

let him keep blathering. he thinks he's got me on something ... mostly because he didn't read for comprehension.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 11, 2017 3:12 PM  

I never bought the low fat craze and I don't buy the current low carb craze either, at least where slow burning carbs are concerned. People aren't getting fat from eating red beans, whole rolled oats, carrots and yams, it's the bread and soft drinks that do it. People all over the world subsisted primarily on slow burning carbs for thousands of years and there was no obesity crisis.

My biggest focus is avoiding heavily processed food and the substances that no human being ever consumed before the rise of the chemical industry: dyes, benzoates, hydrogenated and dehyrogenated oils, nitrites, corn syrup, artificial sweeteners, etc. This also cuts down greatly on the amount of simple carbs and salt that one consumes.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 11, 2017 3:14 PM  

If you have to become a Nobel-prize winning biochemist in order to organise a meal:

YOU'RE FUCKING DOING IT WRONG!

What's wrong with you spergs? ... oh.

As you were.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 3:19 PM  

"Prairie Indians sometimes suffered from "rabbit starvation" when other game was scarce and they had to rely too heavily on rabbits."

Game was scarce and Indians had to rely on rabbits in the early spring, when the Indians, and the rabbits, were three quarters starved.

Well fed rabbits aren't particularly lean. There are even obese rabbits:

https://lafeber.com/vet/wp-content/uploads/fat-rabbit.jpg

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 3:22 PM  

You'll be puking your guts before you get to half as many calories.

Heh. Yeah, it's hard to eat very large amounts of fat without carbs. As I understand it, carbs start breaking down in saliva and then speed right through the stomach into the intestine to finish breaking down there. Fats and proteins have to stop in the stomach for one phase before moving on to the intestine to be completed. That's why you can eat more carbs before fullness forces you to stop: you're filling both stomach and intestine, not just stomach, before you're forced to stop.

I kinda tested it once. After a typical day of maybe 2500-3000 low-carb calories, I drank a full quart of heavy (raw) cream -- another 3000 calories for that alone. I didn't puke, but I felt very full, and was wired with energy and couldn't sleep, so I kept walking around doing stuff most of the night. It was weird. Completely unlike being stuffed full of carbs or carbs+fat.

This matters because if you start nibbling, very quickly you can get 3000, 3500 or 4000 calories in a day.

Taubes references a prison overfeeding study where they recorded prisoners eating as much as 10,000 calories/day, and most didn't gain significant weight, and then lost it when they stopped. Homeostasis is an amazing thing and can handle big swings in calories -- unless we break it by eating the wrong things that screw up the hormonal balance.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 3:24 PM  

" . . .carbs start breaking down in saliva . . ."

Not carbs. Starch.

OpenID siouxremer October 11, 2017 3:24 PM  

Another good reason to boycott all things Kellogg - as if I needed a reason other than what La June and her ilk are doing to my town.

Anonymous Pitchfork Rebel October 11, 2017 3:27 PM  

"When fat was the nutrition establishment's Wicker Man, the health-wrecking effects of sugar on the nation's health sneaked in under the radar. Stick "low fat" on the label and you can sell people any old rubbish. Low fat religion spawned legions of processed foods, products with ramped up levels of sugar, and equally dubious sweet substitutes, to compensate for the inevitable loss of taste when fat is removed. The anti-saturated fat dogma gave manufacturers the perfect excuse to wean us off real foods that had sustained us for centuries, now portrayed as natural born killers, on to more lucrative, nutrient-light processed products, stiff with additives and cheap fillers."

And now we know why Kellogg's is so reliably left-protection money.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 3:38 PM  

"Another good reason to boycott all things Kellogg . . ."

The Kellogg company was founded by the principle Kellogg's adopted son.

The principle Kellogg was the doctor hired by Sister White to run her sanitarium. Corn Flakes, zwieback and other foods of the Kellogg diet were developed for the express purpose of making men skinny, weak and low testosterone, killing aggression and libido.

According to the principles espoused by the voices in Sister White's head.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015003234419;view=1up;seq=7

Blogger James Dixon October 11, 2017 3:38 PM  

> This matters because if you start nibbling, very quickly you can get 3000, 3500 or 4000 calories in a day.

When I was in junior high I once tried to count my calories for a class. I think I stopped counting at 5000, figuring that was close enough. Given that I was skinny as a rail, I'm not sure they believed me.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 11, 2017 3:44 PM  

Back in the middle ages when I went through basic training, the one fat guy in my platoon, a vegetarian by the way, was told by the DI's no bread, no rice, no potatoes, and no desert when going through the chow line. He could have as much of anything else he wanted, as long as he ate it all.

That carbs make you fat has been known since forever.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 3:49 PM  

now, WHO would have an interest in suppressing pork consumption? i wonder ...

Aaaaand, it's Muslims. No wait, this time it's not!

I have the great Nourishing Traditions cookbook, which praises the virtues of animal fats throughout, but never mentions pork at all except for once, tucked away somewhere, a vague claim that a study might show something harmful about pork. It caught my attention because the book throws heaps of references at you about everything else, so that was a weak explanation for such a big omission in a book about traditional foods. I went looking for a reason (this was before I was woke, I guess) and discovered that, whaddya know, one of the authors is Jewish.

Now, if you don't want to include pork in your cookbook because it's against your religion, fine, just say so. But don't lie to me about it. For non-Jews -- and certainly for traditional Americans -- the pig is a staple. You can raise them in a fairly small space (compared to grazing animals) and feed them almost anything. Breed a sow and several months later you'll have a ton of meat. Nothing else compares.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 3:59 PM  

Since you're up on this, has anyone come to any useful conclusion on the order for Fat desirability?

First of all, saturated fats are fine. So animal fats and butter, have at them. So many people have gone low-carb, high-saturated-fat and surprised their doctors with great cholesterol numbers that it's become a trope. Coconut oil is also a good saturated fat and has some special properties, but coconuts don't grow around here. Depends on how much you want to pay for some things.

Next best is olive oil, which is nice when you want something liquid at room temperature, like for salads.

Middle of the road would be cold-pressed seed oils like sunflower. They're not the worst, but they're high in omega-6, and modern diets generally have too high a 6/3 ratio already. Mostly stay away.

Stay away from all the industrial seed oils (corn, soybean, canola, etc), period, and the margarines and so on made from them.

Blogger RC October 11, 2017 4:01 PM  

Shameless, self-serving, grass-fed beef plug for Ilk living in the Midwest:
www.healthfulbeef.com.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 4:02 PM  

@73 Cail Corishev

Mostly correct on the Carbs + Fats, but as mentioned it's Starches that start being broken down early, though that's not actually the key point. The key part is Signaling. (Signaling in GI Tract + Nervous System is beyond complex as a whole, it should be noted.) Without the signaling from the carbs, you actually can't absorb that much Fat. The system for absorption doesn't respond as much without the carb hit. Especially with Sugars.

It ends up making fat-fried & battered meats about the most energy dense & nearly complete nutritious foot. Add some greens and you've got a complete set of everything a human needs to survive. (People ignore the entirety of cultural diets. They're adapted to because they're generally complete. Which is why areas that lack the ability for a full nutrition set tend to eat bugs.)

That's much of the power of ultra-low Carb diets. You simply can't eat as much and you desire to eat less.


@79 James Dixon

Some of the fun times is when I was attempting to bulk up muscle after a particularly nasty injury, I was losing weight at 2800-3000 kCal per day. Form & Function matter a lot to dieting, which is what makes it one of those topics that aren't easy to explain.

Though I do look forward to a real Alt-Health revolution. That'll be fun.

Blogger Matamoros October 11, 2017 4:02 PM  

The Government (FDA, etc.), the medical profession, big pharma, and the advertising industry are the people most interested in killing you slowly so they can make money off of you as you decline.

If you want to know where a "new" disease comes from, just see what the MDs were promoting about 5-10 years ago and you'll know.

For ex.: chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalgia. The MDs were promoting calcium for women and elderly.

The MDs make their own patients.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass October 11, 2017 4:04 PM  

"The weak epidemiological evidence that appears to implicate red meat does not separate well-reared, unprocessed meat from the factory farmed, heavily processed equivalent that contains a cocktail of chemical additives, preservatives and so on. Meanwhile, no government authority has bothered to tell us that lamb, beef and game from free-range, grass-fed animals is a top source of conjugated linoleic acid, the micronutrient that reduces our risk of cancer, obesity and diabetes."

How is it we were duped for decades (in my case longer than I've been alive)? I started blowing off their "dietary advice" by the time I was 16. I'm 30 now and am fine.

"Eat less, exercise more, and eat more protein and fewer carbs."

Tis working for me.

map wrote:If you want to go back in time and see what a beautiful woman looked like who was in shape and ate meet, see Cyd Charisse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=21&v=7YWBOfsXsDA


Man she's pretty! No joke, she kind of reminds me of my girlfriend actually.

Iacobus wrote:I care more about where the food is actually made, like how Hershey's and Nabisco started making their products in Mexico. Yeah. No. I especially refuse to buy any food that's not made in a first-world country.

Look out where your fish is produced. Anything that's made in Vietnam I do not eat.

Jew613 wrote:I hate to give the hippies credit for anything but organic meats do taste way better then the factory farm stuff.

Anyone who finds their way to Indy be sure to try out BurgerFuel. It's their first location outside Stateside. Man is it good!

@12 LOL @ "the white thing" to do. Beef is what is for dinner, after all.

Metric wrote:>Remember, science that is actually reliable is not called science. It is called "engineering".

Putting that in a less less engineering-centric (but equivalent) way: If you're not pushing into the domain of the unknown, you're not really doing science.


But but but muh applied science! I say that jokingly, as someone who almost went into engineering as a degree and has friends who are engineers in everything from chemical to structural.

"Cod fillets fried in coconut oil is fantastic...Grocers in my city have Mexican bottled Coke made with real cane sugar"

@32 I'll have to try that out and they do here, too.

"we hunt our red meat."

@39 THIS 1000X! If you can, hunt your red meat. It is superior to anything you can buy.

"Guinea pigs were also domesticated as a food animal, but look like pets to developed country zoning inspectors."

@40 They still are treated as food in Ecuador. As for cuy from street vendors in Quito.

@71 is a druggie by his own admission. Makes sense why his trolling is so low quality now. Per him The Daily Stormer is Jewish...interesting. Makes me wonder what he thinks real Neo-Nazi publications are...if I had to guess they'd be on the Left along with him.

RC wrote:Shameless, self-serving, grass-fed beef plug for Ilk living in the Midwest:

www.healthfulbeef.com.


I smell (no pun intended) a road trip being in order.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 4:05 PM  

@Cail:

To be fair, Fallon endorses lard quite strongly in her talks (I haven't read the book because a)I already know what's in it in terms of nutrition and b)because it's a recipe book and I don't need more damned recipes).

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 4:09 PM  

@82 Cail Corishev

I was really happy when the restudies on Butter started coming out. Was really easy to turn a lot of those older than me back to Butter, as they grew up with it. (Also, the new blends for spreadable are pretty nice.)

I know generally how to handle the Fat issue, it's more just there is so much argument about it that I haven't spent the time to sort it all out. We know, generally, what to avoid, it's a matter of the value of the others.

As for cholesterol, it's neuroprotective. The issue is that it shows up as an inflammation marker of the cardiovascular system. There's something in here about "Linus Pauling did deserve that 3rd Nobel" because he was correct about his later life research.

@86 Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass

Internet happened. The massive Obesity rise only starts in 1983 or so. It's not actually been that long and within 15 years we were already getting very strong counter approaches. This stuff is of really recent vintage, so that's part of it.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 4:10 PM  

People aren't getting fat from eating red beans, whole rolled oats, carrots and yams, it's the bread and soft drinks that do it.

True. But once you are fat from the bread and soft drinks, it may not be enough to simply stop eating the junk, because losing weight -- getting your body to produce the hormones and enzymes necessary to break down fat molecules stored in the cell and transport the fatty acid components to where they can be burned as energy -- is not just the reverse of what it took to put the fat there in the first place. If cutting out the junk works for you, that's great. For many people, a further shift in hormonal balance is necessary to fix the damage, and that's where low-carb comes in.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 11, 2017 4:10 PM  

That Kellogg story gets even weirder. Dr. Kellogg was out to fight the scourge of masturbation, he invented corn flakes precisely to stop it. He believed a bland diet would sap the urge to masturbate.

I am certain people's level of trust is far too high. I remember from about 30 years ago when 60 Minutes did a segment covering a new study on the health benefits of red wine. I was selling wine at the time, the big sellers were Chardonnays and White Zinfandels. Red wines moved, but they were far behind. Then boom, after 60 Minutes ran that segment, it was all people were talking about. Overnight everybody in town seemed to be clamoring for the reds. I was stunned by the power of the media to sway people's habits and behavior like that. Our red wine sales came out nowhere and skyrocketed through the roof. I marveled at the power that shameless manipulators could have by convincing people that this or that is good for you. Or just flat out crazy people like Dr. Kellogg. Caveat emptor indeed!

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 4:12 PM  

While we're on pigs...

If you can get a hold of it, well raised, locally slaughtered Bacon. Everything pails in comparison to it. It's one of those things that makes you wonder if the Lord was mocking the Jews a bit in Leviticus. (He wasn't, as pigs without certain cleanliness standards are a problem.)

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 4:13 PM  

@Looking Glass,

Yeah, I don't worry too much about the relative goodness of the fats, since I figure avoiding the bad ones is the main thing. And I haven't kept up on the latest research for 10 years or so. I use mostly lard and butter because I have my own sources of pork fat and cream. If I had beef fat, I'd also use tallow.

Speaking of those, if anyone's interested, I've done videos of how to make your own lard and butter.

Anonymous Ain October 11, 2017 4:15 PM  

It's easy to cure type 2 diabetes by removing simple carbs and processed foods from the diet. I know it because I've done it. Zero calorie sweeteners should also be avoided because of their ill effect on the body's ability to use the satiety hormone leptin, not to mention the other ill effects they have on the brain.

Anonymous JAG October 11, 2017 4:15 PM  

I was skinny growing up in the 1970s to early 80s. It wasn't until the later 80s to early 90s that I started gaining weight. The only times I have successfully dieted was using Adkins with a moderate exercise program.

I don't think the food pyramid was incompetence. I really do believe it was intentional.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2017 4:18 PM  

Well fed rabbits aren't particularly lean.

Good point. I mentioned it mostly as a historical curiosity; I doubt anyone today would depend so heavily on rabbits for it to be an issue anyway. But sometimes people will become convinced they should cut carbs but still fear the scare-stories they were told about fat, so they'll go all whey shakes and skinless chicken breasts, which makes things harder for themselves than necessary.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams October 11, 2017 4:23 PM  

Thanks for the tip, RC. That ranch is semi-local to me.

For those days when anything less than a cookie will not do, almond flour + xantham gum makes excellent cookies. Almonds are so sweet that you only need to add about a tablespoon on sugar to make the cookies taste good.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 4:28 PM  

" . . .sometimes people will become convinced they should cut carbs but still fear the scare-stories they were told about fat, so they'll go all whey shakes and skinless chicken breasts . . ."

Don't forget the broccoli. As I've pointed out before, that was a diet developed by body builders for when they were cutting, but in this age where it seems everything is about "losing weight" it has been transformed into the idea of the generally "healthy" diet - which it isn't.

Anonymous kfg October 11, 2017 4:34 PM  

I'll also add that the cutting diet only works as intended if you are lifting as well. It isn't enough to eat protein, you also have to provide the stimulus to partition it into muscle.

Blogger James Dixon October 11, 2017 4:38 PM  

> Anything that's made in Vietnam I do not eat.

I grew up in the 60's and 70's. I won't buy anything from Vietnam if I can help it, even if there weren't quality concerns.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 11, 2017 4:41 PM  

@77 Cail Now, if you don't want to include pork in your cookbook because it's against your religion, fine, just say so. But don't lie to me about it. For non-Jews -- and certainly for traditional Americans -- the pig is a staple. You can raise them in a fairly small space (compared to grazing animals) and feed them almost anything.

Leftists?

Anonymous Kat October 11, 2017 4:45 PM  

A pastured turkey will cost you an arm and a leg, but it will be the best rassafrassing turkey you have ever eaten. I grew up eating butterballs at Thanksgiving and moved on to health food store turkeys as an adult. Plunked down the money for a local bird and have never looked back.

They do cook differently though. A pastured bird has a different body composition than a conventional bird of equal weight. In my experience they cook faster and are harder to dry out.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 11, 2017 4:45 PM  

@96 dc.sunsets

Yes. Every few years there's a story of a missing pig farmer that may or may not have died of a heart attack and gotten eaten by his pigs.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 11, 2017 4:51 PM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:Better: raise and eat rabbits.

Bunnies are low fat, unfortunately. https://infogalactic.com/info/Rabbit_starvation

Blogger Brad Matthews October 11, 2017 4:55 PM  

Amazing how all these "low fat" foods led to a rise in cholesterol. The medical journals have a lot of explaining to do. Of course, they are part of the apparatchik that keep this ball rolling.

Anonymous Porky Eats Best October 11, 2017 4:58 PM  

d.c. sunsets:
Leftists?

They're tasty and expeditious. Toss us Fat Bastard and we'll disperse his atoms very efficiently.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 11, 2017 5:00 PM  

Food is a commodity, not a luxury. I’ve just put a pan of eggplant rollatini in the oven. The kids won’t touch it, but I’ll make them pasta. Husband will have lunch for a few days.

At this moment if I wanted to I could snack on Brie (a present for one child’s birthday) while I wait for dinner to finish. If I was truly desirous of some food or other, I could have it in twenty minutes time with a trip to the grocery store. Calories are everywhere and easy to obtain. Nutrition is a different story.

No one truly goes hungry. Undernourished, perhaps, but not hungry, unless they have outright degenerates for parents. Sufficient nutrition leads to satiety. Empty calories fill a belly but do nothing to curb appetite.

There are parallels to draw between all of our mortal passions and moral states from this analogy.

Blogger Silver Airplane October 11, 2017 5:13 PM  

In related news:
Coconut Oil Kills - Ultra Spiritual Life episode 66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_j-tBJ3Kss

Anonymous VFM #7916 October 11, 2017 5:28 PM  

@18

Pineapple does the same, or any high acid food. A high carbon knife will need to develop a patina to protect itself. I understand that it will have a metallic smell until it does so.

Blogger WATYF October 11, 2017 5:33 PM  

This has been making the rounds lately. Pretty much sums up the entire topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ua-WVg1SsA

WATYF

Blogger RC October 11, 2017 5:36 PM  

RC wrote:
Shameless, self-serving, grass-fed beef plug for Ilk living in the Midwest:

www.healthfulbeef.com.


I smell (no pun intended) a road trip being in order.

Road trip welcome. We could probably break out a Shiner or two.

Anonymous destroid October 11, 2017 6:53 PM  

LCHF, intermittent fasting, weightlifting worked for me. I dropped 15% mass without doing full keto and am objectively stronger at the gym.

No snacking and real food.

Got to plug Dr Fung and P.D. Mangan
https://idmprogram.com/blog/
http://roguehealthandfitness.com

Blogger wired216 October 11, 2017 9:44 PM  

Anybody have any insights into Lupus and diet? I developed gluten intolerance and 2 years later was diagnosed with Lupus.

Blogger Gospace October 11, 2017 10:09 PM  

Remember, science that is actually reliable is not called science. It is called "engineering".

Engineering that is not actually reliable kills people. Engineers have to have repeatability in their tests, and know the strength of the their materials, and what they can do. You don't want fly in something built by a "theoretical engineer" or cross a bridge made with assumptions and approximations.

Engineers were building arched bridges long before math and science could explain how and why they worked.

Anonymous Dr. House October 11, 2017 10:12 PM  

It's always Lupus!

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 11, 2017 10:22 PM  

Nonsense.  Science that is repeatable is... science.  It's when science is translated into doing things that it becomes engineering.  Rule-of-thumb engineering (like fatigue limits) is still engineering, but science makes it a lot better.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 12, 2017 1:19 AM  

For those people having a rough time on keto diets, I'm getting really good results from beta hydroxybutyrate supplements. Really helps cut down on the cravings and boredom eating.

Anonymous Clay October 12, 2017 1:54 AM  

I keep seeing, over and over, those California folks crying about fires, flood, mudslides, and assorted bullshit.

How many Federal IE. YOURS have been sent to them over the years?

I was always told...if you're dealt an Ace in five card stud...use it.

Those Californians...at least, their rulers, have crapped upon the rest of the taxpaying nation, over and over agin.

Trump has an Ace in his hand, now.

Use it.

No Federal Funds for Calif.

You want to rebuild? Send your sorry-assed letters to Jerry Brown.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 12, 2017 2:13 AM  

60. Mr. Rational October 11, 2017 2:53 PM
People don't get cirrhosis from drinking sodapop.



you might think that after getting schooled on the faux science of AGW, that "IFuckingLoveScienceGuy" might learn a little humility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4Q9Iv7_Ao

you'd be wrong.

Blogger artensoll October 12, 2017 4:12 AM  

14 VFM #7916: "SPAM"

#Triggered

Blogger pyrrhus October 12, 2017 5:43 AM  

It's simple--Don't eat processed foods, minimize carbs, eat lots of fat and protein, but avoid industrial seed oils. All backed up by research...Pretty much Paleo...

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 12, 2017 6:07 AM  

For me it's often at least 600 grams of beef steak, cooked in butter from Cornwall, a little olive oil, and herbs, along with plenty of fresh vegetables also cooked in butter and herbs and a serving of some of our lovely Somerset and Devon cheese ...

Also, if you'd like to maintain your posh football hooligan physique, I suggest some of those boron supplements over at H&B -- they take a lot of the work out of it for you.

Blogger William Meisheid October 12, 2017 7:12 AM  

Jew613 wrote:I hate to give the hippies credit for anything but organic meats do taste way better then the factory farm stuff.
I am fortunate to live near the only slaughterhouse in the Baltimore Metropolitan area that has been in operation since the 1850's. They get their cow from Amish and Mennonite farmers from Lancaster Co. PA. Their meat is exceptional.

I also went on a high protein, high fat (especially high CLAs), low carb diet a little over a year ago and have gone from 265 to 215. I am 6'5". Along with proper supplementation my A1C went from 5.8 to 5.2.

You can't beat that with a stick.

Blogger William Meisheid October 12, 2017 7:17 AM  

Oh, and I am also on the "Linus Pauling Protocol". I had a carotid ultrasound and they said I had zero occlusion...completely clean. Not bad for a 70 year old. It was the first time the technician had ever seen such a thing.

Anonymous Bruce October 12, 2017 8:01 AM  

I think I've said this before here- for me weight/body fat seems to be all about calorie count.
Now, I'm very disciplined/regimented in my eating. I do believe what the article says - for the average, undisciplined person, fat can be helpful because it make you feel very full/digests slowly. If I eat a tablespoon or two of butter or coconut oil with breakfast, I feel full all morning. Fat also is necessary for healthy hormone levels although 20-30% of calories from fat seems to be good enough for this.
A lot of people eat much more protein than they need (which isn’t necessarily bad for you). This fellow suggests that the 1g/lb-bodyweight which is a bodybuilder rule of thumb is probably more than you need: https://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
I have been eating .64 g/lb protein and am still increasing on my lifts (~500 lb deadlift at 170 lb bodyweight and 43 y.o. Also see Layne Norton’s research on leucine as the best indicator of how much protein is necessary.
So I don’t shy away from carbs but I basically use them to fulfill my calorie count after I’ve already consumed enough protein and a good amount of fat.

Anonymous kfg October 12, 2017 9:25 AM  

" . . .for me weight/body fat seems to be all about calorie count."

Weight is all about calories. Body composition is a bit more complicated. That's why people end up skinny fat. By restricting calories, they lose weight, but end up proportionately fatter.

" . . . still increasing on my lifts . . ."

Q.E.D. You aren't making it all about calories. You're lifting, stimulating the body to maintain, or even increase, muscle mass, relying more on stored fat for energy. It's the combination of the right diet and the right exercise that does the trick.

Blogger Andrew Brown October 12, 2017 12:37 PM  

Spot on Vox.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 12, 2017 1:05 PM  

((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) wrote:you might think that after getting schooled on the faux science of AGW
You couldn't school a 10-yr-old with Down syndrome.  The supertyphoons hitting the Phillipines over and over and the 4 major storms which have already hit the US mainland this year are proof that things ARE unprecedentedly hot, if the world-wide network of thermometers wasn't enough.

Ocean heat content:  https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/

And that's why I don't even bother to follow your links, especially to videos.  A video proves only that someone said something, and not one bit more.  The viewer is left to transcribe what was said, chase down sources and figure out if the source is trustworthy.  I won't waste my time.

Scientific papers are for informing people and settling issues.  Videos are primarily for entertainment and deceit (two sides of the same coin).  No honest debater cites a video as a source of anything except to prove that someone said something.

Blogger James Dixon October 12, 2017 1:49 PM  

> Scientific papers are for informing people and settling issues.

Only if you can believe the people involved.

Your side of the global warming debate has so thoroughly discredited themselves over the past decade that I wouldn't believe them if the said that water was wet. They've lied about their data, they've lied about their formulas, and they've lied about how many people agree with them. Worse, they've demonized any dissent and even tried to criminalize it. And it's all a matter of public record.

There's no undoing that. You'll have to find completely new spokespeople for your side and disavow the old ones if you expect anyone with any doubts to listen to you.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 12, 2017 2:18 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:Scientific papers are for informing people and settling issues.

No, scientific papers are for getting tenure and grants. You publish what the granting agencies and your tenure committee will approve of.

Anonymous TheTruthIsNeverAccepatble October 12, 2017 2:48 PM  

Mr Rational is far from it...

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 12, 2017 2:49 PM  

TheTruthIsNeverAccepatble wrote:Mr Rational is far from it...

I do appreciate the irony of his nom de internet.

Blogger James Dixon October 12, 2017 4:38 PM  

And this deserves comment:

> ...and the 4 major storms which have already hit the US mainland this year are proof that things ARE unprecedentedly hot

Really? Here are the worst hurricanes on record by intensity, from Wikipedia (since it's on your side):
1 "Labor Day" 1935 892 mbar (hPa)
2 Gilbert 1988 900 mbar (hPa)
Camille 1969
4 Dean 2007 905 mbar (hPa)
5 "Cuba" 1924 910 mbar (hPa)

It's not until number 6 that you hit this year, and it's shared with one from 1955. I guess 1933 must have been a very hot year, what with 10 hurricanes, two of them cat 5's.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 14, 2017 1:31 AM  

James Dixon wrote:Only if you can believe the people involved.
Let me counter this with an example.  You probably knew about NBC's edit of George Zimmerman's 911 call which removed the dispatcher's specific question to make Zimmerman appear to be a rabid racist.  The people you believe have done exactly this with things like "hide the decline" and the hit-piece "documentary" that climatologist Carl Wunsch appeared in after being deceived (and effectively defrauded, of his reputation) by people you claim as being on YOUR side.

You should be ashamed.

Your side of the global warming debate has so thoroughly discredited themselves over the past decade that I wouldn't believe them if the said that water was wet.
ORLY?  Russia is a signatory to the Paris climate accords.  Russia has NO dispute with the ocean temperature data I cited earlier in this thread... just as the Soviet Union had NO dispute with the documentary evidence of Americans landing men on the moon, a triumph against so-called "scientific socialism" that COULD NOT BE DENIED WITHOUT LOSING ALL CREDIBILITY.

Yet here you are, denying it.

They've lied about their data, they've lied about their formulas, and they've lied about how many people agree with them.
Go count the papers yourself.

Have you bothered to note where Russia stands in exporters of nuclear power technology?  Rosatom is a nuclear powerhouse.  Russia is set to profit IMMENSELY when the world turns against carbon emissions.

Worse, they've demonized any dissent and even tried to criminalize it.
When it's all connected to people who profit from destroying the earth's capacity to support life as we know it, why WOULDN'T you want to criminalize it?  Oh, right... when the criminals have made you believe they're the good guys.

And it's all a matter of public record.
Why wouldn't the actual good guys not want to take credit?  They have the courage of their convictions.  You have... paid fraudsters like Anthony Watts.

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