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Thursday, November 30, 2017

A new meaning to metalhead

New questions about autism and vaccines are being raised:
Research at Keele University, published in the Journal of Trace Elements in Medicine and Biology, provides the strongest indication yet that aluminium is a cause of ASD.

The aluminium content of brain tissues from five donors who died with a diagnosis of ASD was found to be extraordinarily high; some of the highest values yet measured in human brain tissue. Why for example, would one of the four major brain lobes of a 15-year-old boy with autism be 8.74 (11.59) micrograms/g dry weight - a value which is at least 10 times higher than might be considered as acceptable for an adult never mind a child?

Yet, while the aluminium content of each of the five brains was shockingly high it was the location of the aluminium in the brain tissue which served as the standout observation. The majority of aluminium was identified in non-neuronal cells, which are involved in maintaining a constant internal environment. Aluminium was also found in inflammatory cells in the brain, alongside clear evidence of inflammatory cells heavily loaded with aluminium entering the brain via the surrounding membranes and those that separate the brain from circulating blood.

The fact that the majority of aluminium found in brain tissues in ASD was within cells and associated with tissues that maintain the body's internal environment is, at least for now, unique to ASD and may begin to explain why young adolescents had so much aluminium in their brains.
So, the obvious question this raises is: how did so much aluminum get into the brain tissue in the first place? And the obvious answer is: from being injected with vaccines containing aluminum.

I always enjoy the idiocy of the mindless pro-vaccine crowd. From the comments on the article.

"Very irresponsible to put a headline like this here. The study was debunked and discredited years ago."

Study? What study? Years ago? The research is new. For me, the most convincing thing about the obvious fact that vaccines are not as safe as they are advertised is the fact that every single time I discuss the matter with a vaccine advocate, they lie about something easily shown to be false.

Well, that and the fact that I have personally witnessed a severe adverse vaccine reaction. There is no amount of sophistry and appeal to metastudies and pseudoscience and herd immunity that will ever move me in the slightest.

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Anonymous Faceless November 30, 2017 1:08 PM  

The "I F-ing Love Science" crowd will not be pleased. They spent all their social capital mocking people who said that the anecdotal evidence of children developing autism after receiving autism should at least be explained somehow. They would much rather preen and posture with "Big Ass" Tyson when not worrying about man-made global warming. There's nothing science-fetishists love more than declaring observations out of bounds.

Anonymous Faceless November 30, 2017 1:10 PM  

It's becoming one of those things where more people are aware of a nephew, niece, or child of a family at church that developed a distinctly changed behavior after getting a vaccine. It's a bizarre reflexive defense to declare that observation outside of acceptable discourse.

Blogger Matthew November 30, 2017 1:11 PM  

Countdown to the first lie in the comments...

Blogger Doug Cranmer November 30, 2017 1:15 PM  

I've tried to have reasoned rational discussions with two doctors about vaccines. They became virtually unhinged about it. There was no possibility of discussion.

That response alone tells anyone with common sense at the gut level something is wrong.

Blogger Matt November 30, 2017 1:16 PM  

The obvious thing to check would be the total quantity of aluminum in the brain and the total quantity of aluminum in the vaccine schedule. The quantity in these brains is pretty staggering. I'm not sure there's that much in all the vaccines combined even if it all stuck in the brain tissue. But obviously I'd want to see the actual numbers.

Blogger Daetrin November 30, 2017 1:19 PM  

Aluminum is also present in antiperspirants. I'd love to see a followup study on exactly which form(s) of aluminum go to the brain. Aluminum phosphate (vaccines) is not going to act the same as aluminum chlorohydrate (perspirants). It may turn out that only some adjuvants are a problem, or it may turn out that all sources of aluminum are an issue.

Anonymous Critically Bent November 30, 2017 1:22 PM  

Four of our first 7 children had adverse reactions. The 7th only had one vaccination. The 8th has had none.

Scariest reaction was for my second oldest. Stopped talking and only hummed for two days after the chicken pox vaccine. That was when we started spreading them out and refusing some all together.

Ugliest reaction was for #7. For his first vaccination, he got what the doctor called erythema multiforme. It amounted to making the kid look like he got tossed in a dryer with a hand full of golf balls and battered for a couple cycles.

Anonymous Rien November 30, 2017 1:27 PM  

I have long since removed all aluminium pans from our kitchen. Don't drink from cans, etc.

Blogger Wanderer November 30, 2017 1:28 PM  

Faceless wrote:The "I F-ing Love Science" crowd will not be pleased.
These people only care about pop-science. When Bill Nye or Mythbusters want to make a volcano experiment with vinegar and baking soda then it's science, but when Jared Taylor wants to discuss race and IQ it's censored off the internet by the ADL.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 30, 2017 1:29 PM  

Peak (social) Trust generated a landscape covered with Error Pyramids whose purpose evolved to simply transfer money (diffuse costs) into many someone's pockets (concentrated benefits.)

We're in the Forest Gump society, where people learned to "trust" whatever they were told by someone claiming to be smarter. Saddest is when our fellow citizens revel in their Gump-ness so much that they pound the table in certainty about subjects they clearly do not understand in the slightest.

Only a people submerged in a swamp of belief in Unlimited Resources, or whose amygdalas are so besotted/underdeveloped that the very notion of consequences is utterly absent, could believe the long list of idiocy surrounding us.

"Climate Change"
"HIV causes AIDS"
Debt-is-money
Chromosomes don't determine sex.
Race is a social construct.
Vaccines are harmless.
Mass immigration doesn't hurt our environment.
All of Earth's peoples can have First World living standards.
Every child should go to college.
(fill in the blank) should be free of charge because its a right.

As people blur the line between reality and video games, their brains (the limbic system, that is) atrophy, their attachment to reality disappears, their grasp of actions and their consequences dissolves and we get today's Full Bloom of Leftist epistemology...as in there is none.

Blogger haus frau November 30, 2017 1:29 PM  

Speaking of the mindless pro-vaccine crowd, my husband's daughter wont allow us to visit her as she is pregnant with her 4th child and our kids are unvaccinated. Nevermind that her children go to public school with all kinds of adults who's childhood vaccine immunity wore off decades ago. Never mind that many public school parents dont vaccinate and that the hords of third world migrant kids are carrying all kinds of crap not covered by vaccines....nevermind that she is a nurse in a pediatricians office full of sick kids....mine are unvaccinated and so she has essentially cut them off as far as we can tell. I suppose I shouldn't take it personally though. She refused to allow her mom to visit until she got a flu shot. I hate vaccine propaganda with a passion. Its like a religious cult. These people are incapable of critically evaluating the amount of perverse incentives and corruption in modern pharma industry.

Blogger Bodo Staron November 30, 2017 1:32 PM  

"Perhaps there is something within the genetic make-up of specific individuals which predisposes them to accumulate and retain aluminium in their brain, as is similarly suggested for individuals with genetically passed-on Alzheimer’s disease."

Ah, those racists genes again.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora November 30, 2017 1:36 PM  

The pro-vacciners remind me of global warming cultists. Too many of their arguments rely on shame and mockery.

Anonymous mark in atlanta November 30, 2017 1:37 PM  

the Greek root of the words pharmacy, pharmacological, pharmaceutical etc, PHARMAKEIA - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV) - Blue Letter Bible
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g5331
The KJV translates Strong's G5331 in the following manner: sorcery (2x), witchcraft (1x). ... †φαρμακεία pharmakeía, far-mak-i'-ah; from G5332; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively):—sorcery, witchcraft. ... c. sorcery, magical arts ...I'm sure it's just a coincidence

Blogger Matt R November 30, 2017 1:38 PM  

For some reason I will never understand (and I work in biopharm development), vaccine manufacturers are allowed SAEs in healthy children while marketing their drugs (and they're shielded by Congress from financial liability, to boot.)
This is from 2015. How the hell do you allow the use of an adjuvant that has open safety questions? It's why my three girls are only vaccinated for DTaP and pnuemococcal meningitis (truly dangerous and possible diseases).
"Alum has been used for decades to levels considered as an acceptable compromise between its role of adjuvant and its toxic effects by the industry and the regulatory agencies. However, the MMF story revealed several gaps in the knowledge on alum particles, including their exact mechanisms of action, their fate after injection, their systemic dissemination, and their safety on the long-term. Efforts have been done in the last years to develop novel adjuvants, but attempts to seriously examine safety concerns raised by the bio-persistent character and brain accumulation of alum particles have not been made."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318414/

Anonymous Critically Bent November 30, 2017 1:39 PM  

Another surprising link in the ASD chain here is Tylenol. Here's a couple of studies that have some ridiculously compelling results. This hypothesis explains the observations around vaccinations by saying that people often use Tylenol as a fever reducer after vaccinations. Interestingly, it also explains the higher incidence of ASD among boys because Tylenol is used after circumcisions.

From 2016
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5044872/

From 2013
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3673819/

Anonymous WinstonWebb November 30, 2017 1:41 PM  

*Some* vaccines are very important. But those account for about 1/10th of what is suggested.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 1:41 PM  

Autism is a congenital neural inflammatory disorder. It's variant almost wholly with the Mother's physiological stress load capabilities. The information is in current medical studies and quite predictable at this point, but Medical Researchers are an amazingly herd-bound creatures. The fact that any chunks of medicine ever advances, at this point, is starting to amaze me.

The autistic are already understood to not build certain chemicals into the body structure at the same rates. Lithium is most classically known to be low. That another basic chemical ends up being held at a much higher than normal rate isn't shocking. Any of the mercury-based storage agents would also not clear themselves at normal rates.

The Autistic have impacted liver functions and are always dealing with a lot of inflammatory issues. I'd be more curious, at this point, about their long-term cardiovascular health.

As to vaccines, some work okay. Others clearly do not. Some work long enough that they stopped the normal distribution cycle, thus removing them from circulation within a population group. They are neither an unalloyed good or bad. They're a tool sold as a miracle, but there are always negative consequences.

Now the vaccine schedule is an atrocity. Vaccines should never be stacked the way they do. You're still giving a child a disease and it takes time for them to go through the immune process & response. Sticking them with 5+ at a time is evil.

Blogger Scott Rassbach November 30, 2017 1:42 PM  

Perhaps we should also be looking at formula vs. breast feeding:

"The aluminum contained in vaccines is similar to that found in a liter (about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces) of infant formula. While infants receive about 4.4 milligrams* of aluminum in the first six months of life from vaccines, they receive more than that in their diet. Breast-fed infants ingest about 7 milligrams, formula-fed infants ingest about 38 milligrams, and infants who are fed soy formula ingest almost 117 milligrams of aluminum during the first six months of life." http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/aluminum

Of course, the aluminum from formula goes through the digestive system, while the aluminum from the vaccines goes directly into the blood. Nevertheless, it is concerning that formula also contains a great deal of aluminum.

Anonymous Pitcrew November 30, 2017 1:47 PM  

Female obesity during pregnancy is another contributing factor.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/11/16/another-reason-to-shame-fat-chicks/

Blogger l 800X November 30, 2017 1:49 PM  

Soy formula contains far more aluminum than vaccines, and even regular formula has circa ten times the aluminum content than vaccines do. Heck, one eats more aluminum daily than one can get by way of vaccination.

Blogger Ryan Redgrave November 30, 2017 1:53 PM  

I'm a veterinarian and vaccinate animals daily and have done so for 7 years. Most of my patients are vaccinated every 1-3 years for the majority of their lives. I estimate I have seen less than 5 significant (read long-standing or life-threatening) adverse reactions to vaccinations. I have however seen animals unvaccinated become ill with infectious disease not appreciated in the vaccinated population. Sometimes lost in the debate on the safety of vaccines is the fact that they can prevent horrific infectious disease. A fascinating experiment would be: a developed western country abolishing vaccination and recording their rates of infectious disease and autism. I would argue we don't know what would happen.

Anonymous Athor Pel November 30, 2017 1:56 PM  

"5. Blogger Matt November 30, 2017 1:16 PM
The obvious thing to check would be the total quantity of aluminum in the brain and the total quantity of aluminum in the vaccine schedule. The quantity in these brains is pretty staggering. I'm not sure there's that much in all the vaccines combined even if it all stuck in the brain tissue.
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It likely isn't just the vaccines. Something messed with or continues to mess with certain metabolic pathways in these ASD brain donors. The aluminum is passing the blood brain barrier.

Also,

Since we're talking sources of aluminum here's another.
https://carnicominstitute.org/wp/preliminary-rainwater-analysis-aluminum-concentration/

There's more aluminum in the environment than there should be.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 1:57 PM  

Since I tendency to be operating at a medical wave length beyond the norm, here's an explanation for what's going on with the Autistic.

They are born with their nervous system inflammed. This puts large stress on the Gut and Liver to constantly produce a stress response. They are physiologically exhausted from the beginning. They're in rough shape.

Then we give them a stack of vaccines. A Vaccine is some form of viral load agent that causes a massive reaction from the body to correct the situation. And you're giving this to children that already are exhausted. Everything spirals from there. Autism isn't caused by vaccines; vaccines make the Autism utterly noticeable.

You've asked a child to run a 10k, after they've run a marathon. How well do you think that'll go?

Anonymous rtp November 30, 2017 2:03 PM  

The local pro-vaxer comes along and spreads his lies about how they have never seen a reaction - no wonder given that they refuse to look.

Here is the thing. Not only are doctors (and vets) lying, they must be lying.

Doctors (and vets) freely admit that most children react to most vaccines. However, they claim that all of those reactions are minor and severe reactions are just "one in a million".

But here is why Ryan and all others are lying through their teeth.

There is no actual definition (boundary condition) of a minor vs a severe reaction.

For example, a one day migraine will be admitted to be caused by a vaccine.

But if you develop chronic migraines following a round of shots, not one doctor on the planet would admit the vaccines were responsible.

If you develop a one day cough following a round of shots the doctors will admit the vaccines were to blame.

If you develop a 30 day cough and end up with respiratory distress in the hospital not one doctor would admit the vaccines might have been the cause.

And so on.

Doctors and vets simply refuse to accept causality for reactions that people would likely be deemed severe even if they are mere logical extensions of minor reactions that doctors will admit causality for.

So they are and must be, lying.

Blogger tz November 30, 2017 2:05 PM  

Polio originally was orally via a drop of vaccine on a sugar cube.
Smallpox used a birfucated needle.

Now even vitamin K is INJECTED into newborns instead of orally with an eyedropper.

Why can't we do more natural administration - something like the bifurcated needle for chicken pox or measles? Or orally where the crap they add isn't going directly into the bloodstream? Or even a nasal spray.

Because we don't need to with the Pharmaceutical Industrial complex with legal immunity and indoctorination.

Blogger haus frau November 30, 2017 2:05 PM  

@22 the sheer amount of vaccines given to human children and their spacing over the course of years is markedly different that what is practiced in veterinary medicine.
Likewise, i have observed vets i used refuse to vacvinate sick dogs as a standard precaution. Human preemies are often not given this consideration. Even puppies are not vaccinated until 6 to 8 weeks. I dont doubt your observations but they are not one to one applicable to human vaccination practices.
Im somewhat open to the idea that some vaccines are beneficial or can be if made without certain toxic adjvants but the whole of modern medical vaccine culture is reckless, cult like, and desperately needs investigation.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 30, 2017 2:06 PM  

My ex-wife thought that Nature itself abhors aluminum and tries to (re)bury it whenever we dig it up and concentrate it.

She thought that's why twisters are always laying waste to cheap suburbs full of aluminum siding and caravan parks.

I used to think she was just crazy, but some days I wonder.

The pro-vaxx crowd are just more Stalin's useful idiots; they're advocates for the State and they would advocate whatever the State told them was for their own good. People so desperate for public respectability they'll poison their own children to prove how fucking middle of the road they are.

Blogger Amy November 30, 2017 2:08 PM  

When I was a kid in the 80s, my mom threw out l of her aluminum pits and stopped buying stuff in cans. Alzheimer’s, she said. Aluminum caused it.

I’m a kook and admit it. Closer to nature, closer to God, closer to nature’s God. But I like indoor plumbing. Thing is, there’s a reconciliation. Plumbing and viaducts and nuclear. High trust is a must and I see that trust eroding daily.

So. The imagined Utopia is bust. Why education was heretofore restricted.

Anonymous rtp November 30, 2017 2:09 PM  

"There is no amount of sophistry and appeal to metastudies and pseudoscience and herd immunity that will ever move me in the slightest."

Which is good because metastudies are nothing more than adding up piles of heavily biased studies.

You can't *accept* the null hypothesis. You either reject it or fail to do so.

Accepting the null hypothesis is like a defence lawyer saying he couldn't find any murder weapon on his own client and expecting that to be treated as proof it doesn't exist.

If you don't want to find something then it is the easiest thing in the world not to.

So every single study that *doesn't* find a link between vaccines and autism holds exactly zero value.

Just like if the defendant had a million defence lawyers who swore blind they couldn't find any weapon, it wouldn't matter if there were a million studies that failed to find a link between vaccines and autism.

The only valid way of proving the safety of vaccines - or anything else - is through a stress test.

In this case it would mean a pro-vaxer such as Ryan Redgrave taking a massive dose of vaccines.

Ryan - and every other doctor/pro-vaxer/vet etc on the planet - would *never* do this.

So we can conclude all pro-vaxers are liars and they most assuredly are not safe.

Note that every other product on the planet would be expected to be able to pass a stress test. Vaccines - as always - are the exception.

Blogger VD November 30, 2017 2:09 PM  

Sometimes lost in the debate on the safety of vaccines is the fact that they can prevent horrific infectious disease.

There is the lie for which we were waiting. That is never, ever, lost in the debate. Usually it is mentioned in historically false terms, though, so kudos for avoiding that.

Blogger tz November 30, 2017 2:11 PM  

And where is Molyneux who is in a tizzy over circumcision but hasn't commented about newborns being turned into pincushions for experimental chemical cocktails in the name of vaccination?

Of course if you resist they will call CPS to take your baby away

Anonymous RA November 30, 2017 2:12 PM  

@Looking Glass: how does one know when infants are born with inflammation already present in their nervous systems?

You might also enlighten us with resources to look at for helping those dealing with autism in their children. I know a few who are looking for better help than they're getting from the establishment. The common complaint is there is a lot of quackery out there appealing to parents desperate to help their children.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 30, 2017 2:12 PM  

Kind of a self-perpetuating cycle, innit.

"Why are you injecting your kids with mercury?"
"Because my parents did and now I'm the best there ever was."
"Can I interest you in some essential oils?"

Blogger Koanic November 30, 2017 2:13 PM  

The vaxximizers have herd immunity to contrary evidence.

Blogger NO GOOGLES November 30, 2017 2:14 PM  

It's likely that we do vaccinate way too much, but vaccines themselves are in no way "all bad" as a lot of anti-vaxxers claim. I have been to the third world, and I'd rather have 1/50 or 1/100 kids with autism than 1/5 kids dead or maimed from shit like polio, mumps, measles, etc. I doubt there is any real "conspiracy" when it comes to vaccines - pharmaceutical companies don't make very much on them (something like 2% of global pharma revenue).

It's much more probably that it's a situation akin to government nutritional advice: they relied on a few shaky studies to form a consensus, then they ruthlessly defended that consensus no matter what questions or evidence piled up. Same reason why the government told people for 40 years that eating a ton of starch was good for you instead of a great way to get fat.

In reality, vaccines are not designed to be given to every generation in perpetuity. We're supposed to use vaccines to eradicate diseases so we don't have to vaccinate against it anymore. Unfortunately, this is just another casualty of mass third world immigration: we are having outbreaks of all kinds of diseases that used to be nearly eradicated or actually eradicated in the first world.

Anonymous rtp November 30, 2017 2:16 PM  

But here's the real rub.

Vaccines are extremely dangerous and completely useless (the diseases have all been renamed (differentially diagnosed) not reduced).

But the real amazing thing is that there is in fact no such thing as contagious disease.

Germs don't cause disease and cannot.

And here is the mathematical proof:

Let's say at t0 the strength of the immune system (IS) = 100 and the number of pathogens (NOP) = 100.

Let's say that during the first period the IS is attacking the pathogens but it does not succeed.

So at t1 the IS = 50 and the NOP = 100 then the immune system is weaker but still facing the same number of pathogens.

So at t2 the IS = 25 and NOP = 200 and so on.

So recovery from disease under the germ theory is impossible. There is simply no way for the immune system to "catch up" (because the number of things the immune system is fighting is increasing even as its ability to do so is decreasing).

Blogger NO GOOGLES November 30, 2017 2:17 PM  

@36
You do not have even a cursory idea of how an immune system works.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass November 30, 2017 2:19 PM  

Daetrin wrote:Aluminum is also present in antiperspirants. I'd love to see a followup study on exactly which form(s) of aluminum go to the brain. Aluminum phosphate (vaccines) is not going to act the same as aluminum chlorohydrate (perspirants). It may turn out that only some adjuvants are a problem, or it may turn out that all sources of aluminum are an issue.

I remember hearing years ago that there's no negative effects of including it in deodorant. We shall see.

Blogger tz November 30, 2017 2:19 PM  

@35 of those 3 you listed listed, only polio is likely to maim.
There is a big gap between anti-vax and those like me that want one at a time, without the toxic crap, and only for something serious like polio and not chicken pox.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 30, 2017 2:19 PM  

The aluminum in vaccines is in the form of water soluble salts, while most of the aluminum we ingest is in the form of insoluble oxide.

Anonymous Marcus Welby November 30, 2017 2:19 PM  

Fail. You're assuming WBCs don't increase in number during an infection.

Go read up a bit...

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 30, 2017 2:22 PM  

@4 Medicine is a cult. The doctors to pretend to understand what they're doing, but most of the time they don't.

Anonymous rtp November 30, 2017 2:23 PM  

so then why do we get sick - often in clusters?

Well the Bible tells us that disease comes from sin.

This is, in a way, true.

Disease comes from trauma. This trauma can be - but often isn't - shared.

So now we know two things. Why disease can cluster but why doctors and vets don't drop dead the moment they start their jobs and why diseases can be minor or severe or short or long lasting.

The extent of the preceding trauma (both in intensity and duration) will correspond with the intensity and duration of the following sickness.

Now if you are wondering why God would want it so that disease follows trauma well it isn't to punish us it is to protect us.

Each physiological change that we call disease actually helps us cope with the trauma - even if it would be a horrible thing to have normally.

The best way to understand this idea is to read about "playing possum" where the possum goes into paralysis when it is trapped because playing dead (although the possum is not playing, its physiological symptoms (paralysis, slow heart rate and breathing) are very real) is its best means of getting out of the situation because its predators don't like old meat.

So now we know where polio comes from.

We can do the same for cancer, measles and everything else. What appears to be a problem actually helps protect us (or would have helped protect us when we were all running around with loincloths).

Blogger tz November 30, 2017 2:24 PM  

@36 contagious diseases are proven to exist (exposure to someone with measles will give you measles). If not germs, what transmits it?
Vaccines have their risks, and that is the problem.
We used to remove tonsils regularly too.

Blogger FUBARwest November 30, 2017 2:24 PM  

"HIV causes AIDS"

I'll bite. How is this statement wrong? I legit don't know and would love to be informed.

Anonymous rtp November 30, 2017 2:24 PM  

"Fail. You're assuming WBCs don't increase in number during an infection.

Go read up a bit..."

Aah yes the ol'

"It's complicated!" answer.

If WBCs increased as the number of pathogens increased then we could never get sick.

Blogger NO GOOGLES November 30, 2017 2:29 PM  

@46
Yes, the immune system IS complicated. VERY complicated. I don't understand these midwits who think that there HAS to be a simple answer, and all complication is just lying. No, often even simple questions have complex answers.

PS: WBCs increase but are ineffective at targeting novel pathogens until they are basically adapted to do so by other mechanisms in the immune system. There are literally dozens of different cells that work together in our immune system. You're trying to oversimplify something that is not reducible in its complexity.

Anonymous rtp November 30, 2017 2:32 PM  

"exposure to someone with measles will give you measles"

You mean except when it doesn't so doctors reverse engineer the explanation to say

"Oh those people must all be immune".

Immunity is an epicycle.

But it doesn't work. People get flu repeatedly.

So we have more epicycles.

The measles virus always was and always will be.

But the flu virus must always be mutating.

It has to to keep the fairy tale alive.

Blogger VD November 30, 2017 2:32 PM  

I have been to the third world, and I'd rather have 1/50 or 1/100 kids with autism than 1/5 kids dead or maimed from shit like polio, mumps, measles, etc.

That's stupid. The problem there is "the third world" not a lack of vaccination. Look up the historical records for those diseases in the USA and Europe. Almost ALL of the decline preceded mass vaccination.

It's called "washing your hands" and "indoor plumbing".

Anonymous rtp November 30, 2017 2:35 PM  

"PS: WBCs increase but are ineffective at targeting novel pathogens until they are basically adapted to do so by other mechanisms in the immune system. "

So we would never be able to recover.

So the germ theory is impossible.

You can fabricate as many "complications" as you like but you can't make the maths work.

Pathogens replicate ad infinitum under germ theory but the number of immune cells is finite.

Therefore recovery from any disease is and must be impossible.

There is no way for the immune system (which is finite) to catch up with the pathogens (which replicate ad infinitum).

Blogger NO GOOGLES November 30, 2017 2:36 PM  

@49
No, there was a decline due to sanitation, but the decline continued because of vaccination. You cannot prevent measles entirely just by washing your hands and having indoor plumbing. Polio in particular was still quite common well into the 40s even in areas with good sanitation.

And yes, most of public health advances in the last 200 years is attributable to sanitation and literally a baker's dozen or so vaccines. That is not a controversial statement at all.

Blogger VD November 30, 2017 2:41 PM  

No, there was a decline due to sanitation, but the decline continued because of vaccination. You cannot prevent measles entirely just by washing your hands and having indoor plumbing. Polio in particular was still quite common well into the 40s even in areas with good sanitation.

You're seriously exaggerating. Nearly all of the decline was sanitation. For example, 95.1 percent of the decline in US measles mortality from 1900 to 1962 had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with vaccination. It could not have. The vaccine had not yet been introduced.

Blogger VD November 30, 2017 2:43 PM  

By the way, the USA could a) eliminate vaccines and b) ban children's bikes and come out ahead in terms of SAVING MORE CHILDREN'S LIVES. 200 percent ahead.

So spare us the rhetoric-based logic.

Anonymous JAG November 30, 2017 2:44 PM  

Jenny McCarthy had her career essentially ruined years back when she came out as anti-vaxx. She was impugned as a moron for it. I'd say she is owed an apology, but the crowd that tore her to shreds isn't prone to sincere apologies no matter how wrong they are shown to be.

Anonymous b3k November 30, 2017 2:45 PM  

From the same research journal:

> The association between mercury levels and autism spectrum disorders: A systematic review and meta-analysis

> Conclusions

> Results of the current meta-analysis revealed that mercury is an important causal factor in the etiology of ASD. It seems that the detoxification and excretory mechanisms are impaired in ASD patients which lead to accumulation of mercury in the body. Future additional studies on mercury levels in different tissues of ASD patients should be undertaken.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17306089

Anonymous Northwest Watching Thing November 30, 2017 2:50 PM  

"Perhaps there is something within the genetic make-up of specific individuals which predisposes them to accumulate and retain aluminium in their brain, as is similarly suggested for individuals with genetically passed-on Alzheimer’s disease."

I have 2 sons diagnosed with autism, one is so high functioning you wouldn't know unless you're around him during certain social situations. Me, my father, my aunt, uncle and grandma are all undiagnosed, yet we're all "touched in the head" and probably would be diagnosed if we sought it out.
I've been fairly certain for a long gone that there's a genetic component combined with environmental. I can't be certain vaccines are responsible, bit i wouldn't be surprised if they at least aggravated it.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 30, 2017 2:50 PM  

@55 Good point. Even if Aluminum in vaccines is a causal factor underlying autism, the low incidence of autism indicates that there are other causal factors at work too. For example, underlying illness or genetic susceptibility to Aluminum exposure might explain why only some children develop autism as a result of vaccination.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 30, 2017 2:58 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Kind of a self-perpetuating cycle, innit.

"Why are you injecting your kids with mercury?"

"Because my parents did and now I'm the best there ever was."

"Can I interest you in some essential oils?"


Do they have what plants crave?

Blogger dc.sunsets November 30, 2017 3:18 PM  

FUBARwest wrote:"HIV causes AIDS"

I'll bite. How is this statement wrong? I legit don't know and would love to be informed.


1. AIDS is a constellation of separate diseases (and when a disease in the spectrum turns out to not light up enough on "HIV tests," it is removed ---see Kaposi's Sarcoma. Data-fitting is a predictable symptom of junk science.)

2. Everything Peter Duesberg says. (j/k)
http://duesberg.com/index.html

I doubt he's done anything with this for 11 years. Everything he said would happen--HAS happened.
-No cure.
-No vaccine (oh, it's RIIIIIGHT around the corner, honest.)
-Next-to-ZERO hetero "transmission."
-Africa somehow STILL not depopulated as predicted.

It was a BS, and still is. No other infectious disease in history so perfectly violates Koch's Postulates...yet somehow this ONE, "afflicting" a Diversity-Pokeymon-Winner Class of Protected fudge-packers, wins the prize.

If HIV causes AIDS and HIV is infectious, given what REALLY happens in operating suites, half of all surgical employees would be dropping like flies.

Hepatitis? OH HELL YES, a concern. Why isn't HIV?

While we're at it, why is there STILL a hole in the Southern Hemisphere's Ozone Layer each and every Southern Hem winter, even though we baaaaad people no longer use freon?

Blogger Ingot9455 November 30, 2017 3:25 PM  

And just to keep things going, ask yourself who set up the current vaccine regime where you can't sue for vaccine difficulties but can only request payment from a government fund set up for vaccine problems? And who caused the collapse of the vaccine industry where we used to have 25 manufacturers and now we are down to 5, most vaccines created by 1 company alone, and most having moved their production lines to China? (The Chinese are known for the quality control, aren't they?)

That's right; Hillary Clinton, in her Childhood Immunization and Vaccines for Children programs. It's one of her few 'achievements!'

Blogger Tino November 30, 2017 3:29 PM  

@57 Your definition of low-incidence needs updating. ~1/50 is NOT low-incidence. Historically, as late as 1975, the incidence of autism was 1 in 10,000. Remember, an autistic child puts a $2.1 million dollar strain on the system on average, and for half of the families, it is an unrecoverable tragedy that destroys them. As to the genetics, they are not causal for ASD. The in-utero explanation is nothing but bunk. They are simply categorizing the toxic metal impact on the kids by genetics and the rest is post-hoc propter hoc reasoning. In the real world, we see the aftermath of a severe frontal meningitis on temporal ultrasounds. Not an in utero developmental or genetic insult. In the absence of the insane toxic metal loads these kids would grow up just fine as they had 3-4 generations back.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 30, 2017 3:38 PM  

I read somewhere that the primarily role of silicon in the human body (which you'd get from sand or dirt in your food) is to act as a scavenger for aluminum. It does make sense.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 30, 2017 3:39 PM  

Northwest Watching Thing wrote:I've been fairly certain for a long gone that there's a genetic component combined with environmental. I can't be certain vaccines are responsible, bit i wouldn't be surprised if they at least aggravated it.

The theory I've been running with is that autism is Asperger's with inflammatory brain damage during development, and many ASD sufferers could have grown up being merely odd, like me. I have a couple of tics but no signs of major brain damage (though some may disagree).

Blogger James November 30, 2017 3:40 PM  

As a Pharmacist, I saw a number of questionable things that did not jibe with the official narrative. One thing I noticed was the unquestioning authority patients gave to Medical Doctors…. something they did not deserve. We all know that “modern” medicine grew out of “not modern” medicine. Humors and bleedings were accepted as legitimate concepts in early times. Physicians considered these quackeries to be beyond question. Yet today we snicker at such primitive ignorance. What will future generations think of our modern, scientific form of medieval lunacy?

I think the perception of today’s doctors as men of Science whose first goal is “to do no harm” is unearned. Yes, they go to school a long time and it is a rigorous curriculum. But, is our health any better today than it was in, say, 1950. The “data” says that we live longer, but is that due to modern medicine? Part is due to diet, but it is also due to Microbiology and the understanding of organisms that cause disease. And the outcome of this understanding is an improvement in our water supplies and sanitation. This has nothing to do with Medicine. Longer life spans are an illusion because of the decreased infant and child mortality, which affected the statistical population. Decrease the number of infant deaths and you increase the mean and median life spans. If you’ve studied History you should recognize that if a person lived to middle age, they had just as much a chance of living to 80 or 90 as we do today.

Another error in assigning Medicine to our extended life spans is to ignore quality of life comparisons. I worked for years as a consultant in Nursing Homes. You had people there that continued to exist but would have welcomed death. Statistics on Nursing Home residents show they are on an average of 7 to 8 prescription medications daily. My own consulting experience says it is probably higher and that number doesn’t include over the counter medications or PRN medications. Supposedly, about a third of residents are on some psychotropic medication, such as Antidepressants, Antipsychotics, Anti-Anxiety meds, or Sedatives. Many also take Cholinesterase Inhibitors for Dementia, drugs which don’t stop or cure Dementia, but “slow down the progression”. There have been studies that show this is not true, but it still is given, supposedly to decrease the cost of care for the patient. They also used to give Antipsychotics for Dementia, which does nothing for it, just sedates the resident. Laws set in place that make the Nursing Homes liable for such prescribing have decreased this practice. But, how do doctors make the decision on what drugs to prescribe?

Blogger James November 30, 2017 3:40 PM  

Big Pharma is one of the wealthiest businesses there is. It is in their best interest to prescribe as many meds as possible. And Physician’s cooperate in this goal. Partially because the Pharmaceutical industry finances studies that show significant probability that marketed drugs work. Whether the studies are designed well or not is another topic in and of itself. How do doctors make the decision what to prescribe? Partially because of the herd mentality and the Medical profession’s recommendations, partially because salesmen (now mostly females) provide them with information concerning the drugs. Many doctors will prescribe a medication based on their feelings toward the detail rep. They admittedly don’t have the time to thoroughly research the findings and are often constrained by what Insurance companies will pay for. So, are the best products in use?

Are we better off as a species because of modern Medical Practice? Consider that if you have Hypertension (usually due to being obese), you will be on 4 to 5 medications just for that. Since their effectiveness decreases over time, they will continue to add other products with different mechanisms of action since the goal is to decrease your blood pressure, not cure you of Hypertension. So, the introduction of these chemicals/poisons into your body disrupts the homeostatic equilibrium that your body is designed for. And if you provide vaccines for diseases, this short-circuits the natural process of being exposed to the disease and developing immunity for it. As a result, we have bypassed survival of the fittest, which makes for a stronger species, and substituted a longer life span for compromised individuals that would have not reproduced to pass on their defects.

Face it: Medicine is a scam. It is a moneymaking operation. Most Physicians don’t become doctors because they want to help people; they do it because it is a lucrative profession. The whole industry supports an idiopathic model that treats symptoms but doesn’t cure disease. Doctors have technology that allows them to determine your condition from the results of blood work or some imaging process, so they don’t really have to know what is wrong, just read the results. A priesthood providing a divine sacrament that you swallow to cure your sins has replaced the model of taking care of one’s body and moderation in all things. Sound familiar? Someone also pointed out the roots of the word Pharmacy. I think that the Bible would have considered someone that could give you psychedelic mushrooms or potions that gave the user visions to be a sorcerer, someone that should be put to death.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 30, 2017 3:41 PM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:Aeoli Pera wrote:Kind of a self-perpetuating cycle, innit.

"Why are you injecting your kids with mercury?"

"Because my parents did and now I'm the best there ever was."

"Can I interest you in some essential oils?"


Do they have what plants crave?


Dammit, that's way better. Needs to be a meme.

Vaccines, the disease mutilator. They've got electrolytes.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 3:46 PM  

@61 Tino

No. Autistic children were the ones that died from most of the communicable diseases. They have a compromised immune system, that's why they respond so badly to vaccines.

Everyone assumes Childhood Mortality dropping so far means every child saved would grow up to be a valuable adult. That's not true. Most would have died before age 5 pre-1900. There's a reason we don't talk about "weak constitution" anymore. We found ways to keep them alive.

Anonymous Peter B November 30, 2017 3:47 PM  

@26, the first polio vaccine was an injected inactivated virus vaccine (IPV.) There was a polio outbreak in 1955 (called the "Cutter incident" after the name of the vaccine manufacturer.) Despite following officially approved methods, Cutter managed to make a vaccine in which all of the virus was not dead. That was one of the factors leading the push to use the oral polio vaccine (OPV) instead; since it doesn't involve injections it's well suited for mass administration.

Due to occasional cases of polio particularly in family members and caregivers of babies given oral polio vaccine, IPV is the main form used in the U.S. today; for a while, questionably immunized caregivers were given IPV while the infant was given OPV to protect the caregivers from being infected from the baby's stool: Polio virus is an intestinal virus; its primary natural mode of transmission is what is delicately referred to as the "fecal-oral route" which means that one ingests live virus from fecally contaminated water.

When the vast majority of a population ingests the virus in infancy and early childhood, the disease often goes unnoticed. In the majority of those infected, it doesn't produce paralysis. That doesn't mean that populations with polio virus in the water don't have paralytic polio. They do. A small percentage can still be a lot of people.

But epidemics of paralytic polio are largely a disease of improving sanitation: You start to clean up the water supply and you don't get exposed to the virus until later in childhood when an infection is more likely to lead to paralysis.

A note on the aluminum in vaccines: it's there to provoke the immune system to respond to the vaccine contents – which it does for both the "active" and "inactive" ingredients. It's fairly nonspecific. It can also provoke the immune system to react to any damaged tissue proteins that may be around, and to any foreign proteins that may have come in via a leaky gut.

Antibodies to foreign proteins that look like your proteins, or to your own damaged or even intact proteins when the antibody producing cells are on high alert, are widely thought to be part of the mechanism(s) by which autoimmune disease develops.

Blogger Howard Stone November 30, 2017 3:50 PM  

I’m seeing a lot of vaccine apologists in this thread from accounts I’ve never seen in previous comments sections. It’s strange.

Anonymous BBGKB November 30, 2017 3:51 PM  

They went after Patriot Nurse of youtube just for saying the risk benefit ration of the vaccine that works on some strains of the HPV vaccine is different for boys/girls.

Something messed with or continues to mess with certain metabolic pathways in these ASD brain donors. The aluminum is passing the blood brain barrier

Jews created & profit from the opioid crisis in the US by lying about OxyContin being non addictive, just like they created the previous opioid crisis in china. It wouldn't surprise me if they are sabotaging something that isn't kosher.

If HIV causes AIDS and HIV is infectious, given what REALLY happens in operating suites, half of all surgical employees would be dropping like flies

Oh hush that happened one time but I am HIV-

Blogger Howard Stone November 30, 2017 3:52 PM  

I’ve spread out the vaccines for my children, and I’ve opted out of most of them as well, but I’m really leaning towards opting out of the rest. The thing is, if you have a teenage daughter, she can be tricked into getting the gardisil shot by her school nurse without her knowledge or consent. That’s scary. That gardisil is bad news.

Blogger Howard Stone November 30, 2017 3:53 PM  

“Without parent knowledge or consent.”

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 3:56 PM  

@65 James

"Medicine" needs to be broken up.

"Trauma Medicine" is high-skilled, high-tech and incredibly potent these days. It's impressive.

The "Rest of Medicine" is half quackery and half "here's a pill".

That's the major problem.


@63 Aeoli Pera

They've run a bunch of stuff together for ASD. There is a genetic variant. It normally brutalizes the person and is the classic case of "autistic". But, they lived. Their mental functions are a weird mess, but their bodies are otherwise okay.

The modern forms are neurological inflammation based. Starts in the womb and is variant & predictive by specific markers in the mother. (Age & general health being variant with incidence rate.) The constant inflammation is like having a hang-nail, but it effects their entire nervous system.

That's why things go so weirdly. It's more than likely generally "fixable", but only the inflammation part. Repairing long-term damage is its own art.

Blogger FUBARwest November 30, 2017 3:58 PM  

@dc_sunsets

Thanks for the explanation. Looks like I have some reading to do. It is disheartening to see how much of a facade everything I was told growing up is turning out to be.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright November 30, 2017 3:59 PM  

Bless you for staying with this subject, Vox.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 4:09 PM  

@74 FUBARwest

The 1950s through 1960s were the peak of the Propaganda Era. (Hopefully what the time frame from ~1890 through ~2020 will be called.) You had manufactured lies on such a mass scale that everyone else will always hate the Boomers because that was their world.

There's a reason every response has kept getting uglier and uglier. Being lied to causes distrust. Realizing everyone has been repeating lies without thought really pisses you off.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 30, 2017 4:10 PM  

While we're at it, why is there STILL a hole in the Southern Hemisphere's Ozone Layer each and every Southern Hem winter, even though we baaaaad people no longer use freon?

Because hydrofluorocarbons. Or maybe just anything containing hydrogen.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 30, 2017 4:13 PM  

Another thing to look at is the 'Feingold Diet' for ADD/ADHD spectrum types.

Basically, it's no artificial additives/preservatives and no salicylates (as are found in oranges/juice and a few other places).

While it's debated by many, I assure you that cutting out all artifical additives/preservatives will do quite a number on those environmental things that cause general inflammation.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 30, 2017 4:14 PM  

Looking Glass wrote: Aeoli Pera

They've run a bunch of stuff together for ASD. There is a genetic variant. It normally brutalizes the person and is the classic case of "autistic". But, they lived. Their mental functions are a weird mess, but their bodies are otherwise okay.

The modern forms are neurological inflammation based. Starts in the womb and is variant & predictive by specific markers in the mother. (Age & general health being variant with incidence rate.) The constant inflammation is like having a hang-nail, but it effects their entire nervous system.

That's why things go so weirdly. It's more than likely generally "fixable", but only the inflammation part. Repairing long-term damage is its own art.


Thanks for taking the time to explain, I've come to trust your judgment in general.

Blogger Silly but True November 30, 2017 4:15 PM  

I'm fine with some ovens being set aside for California doctors, lawmakers, and anyone else who forced a parent under threat of criminal penalty to give their kids brain damage.

Blogger Forge the Sky November 30, 2017 4:21 PM  

I’ve worked in retroviral research, albeit on the sidelines, and the critters definitely exist, and definitely create issues for the host’s immune systems.

The fact that no cure or vaccine exists is unremarkable. Medicine lacks solutions for many diseases currently.

The fact that anal penetration greatly increases transmission risk has no bearing on the situation, so far as I can tell. Anal penetration is biologically novel, and therefore not biologically defended.

Africa has not been depopulated due to the relatively slow course of the infection, and it’s limited transfer vectors.

Emergency healthcare workers are not dropping like flies from AIDS for precisely the same reasons they aren’t routinely dying of other infections.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Anonymous Daniel November 30, 2017 4:23 PM  

Daetrin wrote:
Aluminum is also present in antiperspirants. I'd love to see a followup study on exactly which form(s) of aluminum go to the brain. Aluminum phosphate (vaccines) is not going to act the same as aluminum chlorohydrate (perspirants). It may turn out that only some adjuvants are a problem, or it may turn out that all sources of aluminum are an issue.


@38
> remember hearing years ago that there's no negative effects of including it in deodorant. We shall see.<<

Simple, effective way of reducing body odor. In the shower keep a spray bottle mixture of water and vinegar. After soaping and rinse, spray body with water/vinegar mixture. Scrub and rinse. Fresh as a daisy and no fallout.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 4:31 PM  

@79 Aeoli Pera

The criteria is also so vague now that so many things fall under the Spectrum now. Asperger's could be viewed as low-function in certain aspects of the brain at the benefit of high-function. Makes them out of the norm, but they're very unlike the rest of the Autistic children.

My understand of modern Autism comes as a weird side result of some completely different work. Everyone always assumes too much about the way the Human body works. Once you stop doing that, a lot of things aren't that difficult to sort out, as long as there is at least some data to work off.

This is related, but if you have any Chronic issue, you're almost assuredly malnourished. Which is the cause & effect is wholly dependent upon the issue, but it's always there as part of the disease state. Addressing that will deal good a significant portion of whatever ails you.

And, related to that one, eating disorders in girls are due to pre-existing stomach/throat disorders. When they hit puberty, they're badly malnourished and it causes weird disassociation issues within the mind.

Blogger FUBARwest November 30, 2017 4:32 PM  

@Forge the sky

I do not know either way and will be reading up on it as soon as I have a chance but the idea of anal penetration being novel doesn't possibly seem to be an accurate statement. I.E. Greece and Rome.

Blogger FUBARwest November 30, 2017 4:35 PM  

Also, @Forge, why do you say the disease has a "slow course of infection"? I am repeatedly told how scary 80's NY, and London were because of how fast people were dropping like flies.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 30, 2017 4:39 PM  

And the day's best belly-laugh goes to BBGKB (he's on a roll!)

Anonymous Same old inference failure, with extra LA LA LA November 30, 2017 4:40 PM  

"Well, that and the fact that I have personally witnessed a severe adverse vaccine reaction. There is no amount of sophistry and appeal to metastudies and pseudoscience and herd immunity that will ever move me in the slightest."

Epistemology is hard.

Blogger Forge the Sky November 30, 2017 4:50 PM  

@FUBAR, anal penetration is *biologically* novel - that is, our physiology is not designed for it. The HIV virus was not present in Ancient Greece, though transmission of other infections this way was likely more common than with PIV intercourse.

The disease has a chronic course in the sense that, untreated, it will still take years to kill you. Unlike many deadly viruses, which will kill in days or weeks.

Anonymous Avalanche November 30, 2017 4:51 PM  

@45 ""HIV causes AIDS"
I'll bite. How is this statement wrong? I legit don't know and would love to be informed."

Uncle Google is your friend. Well no, actually, he is NOT your friend -- he IS however a great source for SOME info. Go read up -- it's a fascinating fight; and not closed to being solved, and -- just like SO MANY fraught topics -- the orthodoxy wants to make "deniers" of questioners!

Blogger dc.sunsets November 30, 2017 4:56 PM  

Forge the Sky wrote:I’ve worked in retroviral research, albeit on the sidelines, and the critters definitely exist, and definitely create issues for the host’s immune systems.

The fact that no cure or vaccine exists is unremarkable. Medicine lacks solutions for many diseases currently.

The fact that anal penetration greatly increases transmission risk has no bearing on the situation, so far as I can tell. Anal penetration is biologically novel, and therefore not biologically defended.

Africa has not been depopulated due to the relatively slow course of the infection, and it’s limited transfer vectors.

Emergency healthcare workers are not dropping like flies from AIDS for precisely the same reasons they aren’t routinely dying of other infections.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


Are you an ID (Infectious Disease Specialist?) Because you talk out of the same both sides of the mouth.

What other retrovirus causes human disease?
As far as a vaccine goes, is HIV somehow supposedly a basket of viruses like rhinoviruses, such that a vaccine is difficult/impossible? No, I thought not.

Anal intercourse isn't half as invasive as having a needle rammed into your finger while suturing. Your comment about surgeons, etc., is full on bs. Hep transmission to healthcare workers is (not wasting my time to dig, so it's a guess) 1000 times what HIV is "claimed" to be.

As for African AIDS, jump in your wayback machine and look up the headlines from 10 or 20 years ago; it was assumed that half of Africans had HIV and that the continent would be depopulated by today.

Regarding cigars, sometimes clowns have the exploding kind.

Blogger Artisanal Toad November 30, 2017 5:01 PM  

From my experience in the drug development industry, I can make a few observations.

1) First, foremost and above all else, big pharma is in business to perpetuate drug sales and maximize profits, not find cures for diseases. If they can maximize profits by perpetuating disease instead of curing it, they will actively prevent real cures from becoming available in favor of selling treatments.

2) Vaccines are not safety tested in combinations as they are regularly administered, nor are dosages of the vaccines adjusted to reflect the body-weight of the victim on which they are afflicted. On the basis of that alone every single vaccine should be removed from the market and re-tested for safety, at the very least.

3) What the vaccine is attenuated with is more important than you can imagine. Mercury? Aluminum? Think squalene and then take a guess why the assay to detect anti-squalene antibodies was patented in 2001 by Autoimmune Technologies but has never been made available. Some vaccines are attenuated with squalene but you're not allowed to know if the body develops anti-squalene antibodies in the course of developing antibodies to fight the substance of the vaccine.

4) The most famous vaccine, the smallpox vaccine, doesn't work. That is a historically provable fact. Vector of transmission for smallpox has never been established, merely conjectured and then stated as fact with no proof. In "Bats, Mosquitoes and Dollars" Dr. Charles Campbell explained his hypothesis (and research) that the bedbug was the vector of transmission for smallpox. Eliminate the bedbug, eliminate smallpox. I say smallpox was eliminated not by the vaccine but rather by DDT. When was DDT developed and put into industrial production and when was the huge worldwide decline in smallpox? And didn't those WHO vaccination teams also have sanitation crews?

5) The next most famous, the polio vaccine, was not only completely unnecessary but there is a good argument that it created more problems than it solved. The reason it was unnecessary is Dr. Frederick Klenner cured a polio outbreak with 100% efficacy using very high doses of intravenous sodium ascorbate. Vitamin C, in other words, cures polio by destroying the poliomyelitis virus.

He did that in 1948. He treated over 60 patients, all recovered within 3 days. He published his findings in the Journal of Southern Medicine in 1949. He was ignored because you can't patent a vitamin and they knew several vaccines were in the works. Additionally, the same year as the polio epidemic he had a journal article published that detailed how to effectively treat viral pneumonia using IV vitamin C. What other virus conditions could be cured that way? Over 20 that I can think of off the top of my head. Now think about all the pharma products that continually treat but never cure those same conditions and consider point #1.

5) Patents allow windfall profits and on the basis of the near-religious belief in vaccines due to the smallpox and polio vaccines, it became a numbers game tied to "acceptable standards of care". Every time a new vaccine comes down the pike there are millions and millions (if not billions worldwide) of new customers to give them their windfall profits and in most places they're required to get the vaccine by law.

The implications of point #4 can hardly be overstated given that sodium ascorbate for injection is already part of the USP, which means any doctor can use it at their discretion. But they don't, because absolutely no research is done and if it was I seriously doubt it could be published. It's even useful in curing certain cancer types. But, again, without published "peer reviewed double blind studies" that indicate it's efficacy, doctors won't touch it.

Anonymous Avalanche November 30, 2017 5:01 PM  

@48 "People get flu repeatedly."

Yes -- DUH! Its why the yearly vaccine only sometimes works; every year they GUESS which 5-6 strains of flu (mutations, yes? varieties?) are most likely to sweep the country /world, and then they make vaccines FOR THOSE. If they guess wrong, the the vaccine is 100% useless -- doesn't affect in ANY way, the strain the vaccine is not designed for!

AND for diseases where vaccines have only one 'version' to address, the vaccine still may NOT work for you or someone else... A vaccine is a CUE to the body's immune system to 'be on the lookout for' (the *specific* bad guy for whom the vaccine was created) -- and if the body doesn't MAKE the right 'cops' or the 'Look Out' flyer doesn't have a good-enough "picture" of the bad guy so the "cops" (T-cells) can't pick the bad guy out of a line-up of blood cells... Then no help.

OR if the flyer (or cop) is so old (the vaccine was given years ago) then the 'cop' may -- or may NOT -- be effective, or effective enough at picking and dealing with bad guys!

But,your every message makes 100% clear that you know not a damned THING about vaccines or the human body... So, maybe you're poop and I shouldn't have answered...

(And I am about 94% anti-vax! There are just a few for which the benefit / risk balance tips over into "give the shot." The vast vast bast majority ARE NOT THAT!)

Blogger Dire Badger November 30, 2017 5:08 PM  

And I have said a hundred times, it's not the concept behind vaccination that is the problem, It is all the additives that they use to 'improve' them.

Traditional vaccination, where an individual that has survived the disease has their blood used to create a serum, has worked many times.

The thing is, modern vaccines are NOT made that way.The Viruses, instead, are 'weakened' by adding what some call "Safe versions' of mercury, aluminum, and in the past even arsenic has been used.

The thing is, these methods are right up there with chemotherapy in quack medicine that revolves around "The surgery was successful but the patient died".

So I guess, like communism, Vaccinations in their current state are beautiful in theory, but in practice, you are gonna screw your kid up.

Close the borders. Isolate and contain. Current Vacc practices are just another tool of the globalists to pretend that other country's problems should be ours.

Anonymous VFM #7916 November 30, 2017 5:12 PM  

From the aluminum transport study: Aluminum oxyhydroxide travels throughout the body. Vaccines containing this version of adjuvant: anything from GlaxoSmithKline

Aluminum hydroxyphosphate does not readily travel from the injection site. Vaccines containing this version of adjuvant: Anything from Sanofi Pasteur.

Anonymous Will Martindale November 30, 2017 5:12 PM  

I never stop wondering how many "mere anecdotes" of bad results it takes before someone says "Whoa, maybe there's something there that we should take a closer look at." In the case of vaccines, millions, apparently.

Anonymous Travis Bickle November 30, 2017 5:13 PM  

Matt wrote:The obvious thing to check would be the total quantity of aluminum in the brain and the total quantity of aluminum in the vaccine schedule.
That's not just obvious, it's the FIRST thing to check.  If the aluminum is largely or all from the vaccines, it's one thing.  If it's mainly from the environment, it's a completely different thing.  At a total brain burden of some tens of milligrams, this should be easily distinguished.

In these patients, specific biological processes were taking up and concentrating aluminum in certain parts of the brain.  Unless the quantity is accounted for, there's no reason to believe that this uptake only began in the bloodstream.  It could have started in the gut, pulling aluminum from everything passing through.

If the aluminum comes from aberrant uptake in the gut, eliminating aluminum from vaccines won't stop it.  Knowing whether this is the case suggests that the problem could be diagnosed much earlier and perhaps substances used to block the uptake pathway or the transport pathway.  If some vaccines are enhancing uptake (definitely a possibility if that's actually happening), then it's something that has to be tested as part of vaccine safety.

But obviously I'd want to see the actual numbers.
The verdict is already in, say the anti-vaxxers.  They're going to hold the trial next week.

@19 @35 Now don't get in the way of the narrative here.

We're supposed to use vaccines to eradicate diseases so we don't have to vaccinate against it anymore.
That's just not possible with viruses like flu and plague.  There's a large animal reservoir and constant recombination in the case of flu.  That's why last year's flu doesn't confer immunity to this year's strain; the virus and its antigens are different, in large part because only a virus changed sufficiently to evade existing immunities is going to spread.

Anonymous Avalanche November 30, 2017 5:16 PM  

@77 "why is there STILL a hole in the Southern Hemisphere's Ozone Layer each and every Southern Hem winter, even though we baaaaad people no longer use freon?
Because hydrofluorocarbons. Or maybe just anything containing hydrogen."

Ooh ooh! Someone call Greenpeace! Just as SOON as they finish getting ALL the CHLORINE out of the planet, they need to move on to removing ALL the hydrogen!! It's poison! Remove it all!

Anonymous VFM #7916 November 30, 2017 5:16 PM  

Also:

Aluminum in vaccines don't attenuate or weaken. They're there to provoke an immune reaction in your own body, which will recognize and provoke a greater reaction to the vaccine component.

Again from the aluminum transport study:

"Aluminium based adjuvants (ABA) are included in human vaccinations to boost or potentiate the immune response, to the injected antigen1. Whilst a consensus upon the immunomodulatory mechanism of action of ABA has yet to be reached, it has become increasingly recognised that activation of the innate immune response is crucial for increased antibody titres"

Blogger Dire Badger November 30, 2017 5:20 PM  

Apparently there is a law in place, in the interests of 'public health' you are not permitted to sue for the side affects of vaccination.

I had an MRI at the VA and they discovered I had approximately 11 times the aluminum and 6 times the Mercury, most likely received when I was 18 months old, in my brain.

Frankly, I have no idea what to do about it.

Anonymous Avalanche November 30, 2017 5:22 PM  

@90 "As for African AIDS, jump in your wayback machine and look up the headlines from 10 or 20 years ago; it was assumed that half of Africans had HIV and that the continent would be depopulated by today."

And there were almost no labs, and even fewer lab tests -- anyone -- ANYone -- who died in africa of any kind of wasting disease, malnutrition, or most other syndromes was "declared" an AIDS death. And look! MAGICALLY< all sorts of AIDS money and food and whatever else came flooding in from the idiot West!

Blogger Brad Richards November 30, 2017 5:35 PM  

" how did so much aluminum get into the brain tissue in the first place? And the obvious answer is: from being injected with vaccines containing aluminum."

Why, of course! The fact that most foods contain aluminum, with the average person consuming several milligrams per day - that couldn't possibly be the source. No, it's definitely the couple of mg in the vaccines. Right.

There is a genuine question here: why does the aluminum concentrate in some people's brain tissue and not in others? Is this causation or correlation.

"I have personally witnessed a severe adverse vaccine reaction."

How nice. And I have personally known people who suffered from polio. While one can debate whether vaccination risks are worth the benefit for minor diseases, for serious diseases there is no debate at all.

Blogger Dire Badger November 30, 2017 5:40 PM  

I guess the line "Generally, the intake of aluminium from foods is less than 1% of that consumed by individuals using aluminium-containing pharmaceuticals." Kind of escaped you.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 30, 2017 5:42 PM  

@79, I've found that eating a lot of animal fat helps with ADHD-I, Tourette's, depression, and even Reynaud's. For a while I was eating a pound of beef per day and a lot of my issues got sorted out. I've since backed off to half a pound and I mix up the meats (but they don't work as well).

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 30, 2017 5:42 PM  

Erp, meant that to be @83 for Looking Glass.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 30, 2017 5:44 PM  

Hippocrates recommended a vegetable diet for melancholy but my experience is that it's better for overcoming stress and anxiety (generally not a problem for me), whereas eating meat is better for melancholy.

Blogger Jon Mollison November 30, 2017 5:45 PM  

@52: With all due respect, changes in the measles mortality rate simply demonstrate how incredibly effective the measles vaccine truly is. The vaccine is such a powerful protection against the disease that it's effect smashes the space-time continuum and ripples backward through decades to murder measles' parents so that it will never be born. It's weaponized Marty McFly in a syringe, man!

Anonymous Avalanche November 30, 2017 5:46 PM  

@101 ""I have personally witnessed a severe adverse vaccine reaction."

How nice. And I have personally known people who suffered from polio. While one can debate whether vaccination risks are worth the benefit for minor diseases, for serious diseases there is no debate at all."

Okay-then, let's begin the debate on the NON-serious diseases that infants and toddlers are having their immune systems "challenged" over. ("doctors give American babies 26 vaccine doses before age one," That's INSANE!)

I think MOST people here and probably many of the anti-vaxxers would be WILLING to discuss -- and allow -- SOME vaccines! But, forcing SO many, on such young children -- and all at the same time, and with the typical public: "oh,that's just anecdotal crap from stupid parents" (followed by the hidden: " quick! Hide all those studies that raise legit concerns!!) -- how can we NOT disagree?!

As a kid I had measles, German measles, mumps (a couple of times!), chicken pox, and even whooping cough. (Funny thing is: I was NOT a sickly child -- and have not grown into a sickly adult. Lucky? Good genes? Maybe.) I did get the oral polio vaccine -- and the smallpox jab (twice: the Navy corpsman offered me "you want a scar on both arms, or the new one on top of your old one?" "Old one,please.")

Blogger ReluctantMessiah November 30, 2017 5:46 PM  

VD, looks like we have a great topic for Voxiversity

Blogger Brad Richards November 30, 2017 5:47 PM  

Regarding VD's claims that sanitation was more effective than vaccinations, this from the CDC:

"In the early 1950s, before polio vaccines were available, polio outbreaks caused more than 15,000 cases of paralysis each year in the United States. Following introduction of vaccines ... the number of polio cases fell rapidly to less than 100 in the 1960s and fewer than 10 in the 1970s."

As for measles:

"In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. ...an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 4,000 suffered encephalitis."

Measles were declared "eliminated" in the year 2000, due to the success of the vaccination program. No longer, of course, thanks to the anti-vaxxers.

Blogger Brad Richards November 30, 2017 5:49 PM  

"let's begin the debate on the NON-serious diseases that infants and toddlers are having their immune systems "challenged" over"

I would be totally in favor of that. I totally believe in the effectiveness of vaccines, but there can be too much of a good thing.

Anonymous Travis Bickle November 30, 2017 5:55 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:While we're at it, why is there STILL a hole in the Southern Hemisphere's Ozone Layer each and every Southern Hem winter, even though we baaaaad people no longer use freon?
Because the most-persistent sources of stratospheric chlorine, like CFC-12, have just barely begun to come down from their pre-ban peaks.  CFC-12 will only be down by half or so in 2100.
http://www.theozonehole.com/cfc.htm

Note that perchloromethane and methyl chloroform are already well past peak.  The Montreal Protocol IS working.

@61  Don't forget that the definition of "autism" has been massively expanded by including what used to be called Asperger's.  This spending is largely for the sake of the ed bureaucracy, not the child.

@78  Could those processed foods also have added soluble aluminum?

dc.sunsets wrote:What other retrovirus causes human disease?
Herpes simplex, to list just one.

Anonymous Avalanche November 30, 2017 5:57 PM  

@103 "eating a lot of animal fat helps with ADHD-I, Tourette"

Aeoli, consider trying some MCT oil. "Medium chain triglyceride" oil. (It's highly refined coconut oil. They've recently come out with MCT Oil Powder -- not sure yet if it's as good -- but I can mix it in my coffee (both forms are tasteless); where I resist the 'skim' of oil when using the liquid form in coffee.

There is also now "Exogenous Ketone Supplement, 30 Servings of 14.7g of BHB Salts, Beta Hydroxybutyrate" -- I've started using this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XW1MLW2

Dr Mary Newport -- peds ICU doc -- has huge amounts of info here: https://coconutketones.com/

Her husband had early onset Alzh. and {longish story...} she has found using both MCT Oil WITH coconut oil works best (works amazingly for the brain!) The MCT gives a short quick rise of ketones in the brain, and coconut oil keeps the level up.

And, as Tom Naughton says in his documentary "Fat Head" -- the brain is MADE of fat!

Science For Smart People (47 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1RXvBveht0

Fat Head (the documentary) (1 hr 44 min.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs

Anonymous Avalanche November 30, 2017 5:59 PM  

@110 "I would be totally in favor of that. I totally believe in the effectiveness of vaccines, but there can be too much of a good thing."

"The sweetest honey is loathsome in its own deliciousness!"

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 5:59 PM  

@106 Jon Mollison

I was going to go with a "that's not how math works", but I was laughing by the end of your comment.

Negative-time Vaccines!


@110 Brad Richards

A specific vaccine that targets transmission vectors can potentially work. "Vaccines" don't work. They're a category of medical science that's produce a world of failures and a few that kind of worked.

Blogger ikacer November 30, 2017 6:08 PM  

I hadn't looked into it before, but at a glance the vaccine-autism link seems unlikely. Autism rate by birth year has been continuously rising, while a vaccine cause would suggest jumps instead. I expect a cause that is also continuously rising such as obesity during pregnancy or the increasing genetic load.

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Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 6:11 PM  

@111 Travis Bickle

Or a lot of the "Ozone Hole" science was pretty bunk and were were simply observing a cyclical low period, but the air-quality improvements are solid so there isn't much room to complain about it.

There's a reason the Global Warming fanatics never seem to bring up Montreal as a "model".

Blogger Forge the Sky November 30, 2017 6:15 PM  

Dc.sunsets, I don’t fault your skepticism re: the medical narrative. This vaccine thing, in fact, commends the approach. But not everything is wrong.

“What other retrovirus causes human disease?”

Human T-lymphotropic virus.

Disease-causing retroviruses are rare but not unheard-of.

“As far as a vaccine goes, is HIV somehow supposedly a basket of viruses like rhinoviruses, such that a vaccine is difficult/impossible? No, I thought not.”

Not precisely, but the difficulties with a HIV vaccine are broadly similar. HIV is capable of changing/mutating it’s active sites quite quickly.

“As for African AIDS....”

The media lied and sensationalized the issue. Are you remotely surprised?

Anonymous VFM #7916 November 30, 2017 6:18 PM  

@116

Your google-fu is weak.

Blogger Forge the Sky November 30, 2017 6:22 PM  

@ikacer, it’s unlikely as a sole causative factor, but certainly interesting as a potential exacerbating or triggering factor. Genetic load or something like that may well be doing the work of making a person ‘ASD-capable,’ if you will, but perhaps it would be no/less of an issue without the added toxic exposure.

For example, most people may have metabolic processes that prevent brain damage from aluminum exposure, say by binding or excluding the metal from brain contact. If that defense is destroyed, no problem - until you encounter that metal.

Blogger S1AL November 30, 2017 6:32 PM  

There was already an established link between gut bacteria issues and autism.

This might provide the explanation for *what*, specifically, isn't being eliminated properly.

It's also further evidence that 'autism' is likely several different mental conditions that have been lumped into one, as the number of things tied to it (obesity, gut conditions, genetics, womb biology, and now aluminum) are sufficiently diverse to indicate that it's not a single issue.

Blogger S1AL November 30, 2017 6:34 PM  

Short description of aluminum in the body, note the money quote:

"If a significant aluminum load exceeds the body's excretory capacity, the excess is deposited in various tissues, including bone, brain, liver, heart, spleen, and muscle. This accumulation causes morbidity and mortality through various mechanisms."

Frankly, I'd be more worried about the overuse of childhood antibiotics than vaccines per se. Screwing with microbiome at an early age isn't something with adequate research.

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/165315-overview

Blogger VD November 30, 2017 6:38 PM  

Epistemology is hard.

No, it's quite easy. I have the necessary math and statistics. The relevant point is that what I saw was not supposed to be possible. It was directly contrary to all of the information I had been provided by the doctor.

And the doctor's immediate response indicated that HE KNEW he had been lying. He had definitely seen that sort of reaction before.

Blogger S1AL November 30, 2017 6:39 PM  

And, finally, the FDA's 2011 study short on potential accumulation in infants: https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/ScienceResearch/ucm284520.htm

So it's not entirely new research. I'd have to read the whole thing to have any idea if the numbers are fudged or inadequately examined.

My big question is this quote: "Aluminum is found naturally in large quantities in the environment, often consumed through drinking water or ingesting certain foods, such as infant formula."

That sets off a 'perfect storm' alarm in my mind, where aluminum *could* reach meaningful levels under very specific circumstances.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd November 30, 2017 6:51 PM  

FUBARwest wrote:"HIV causes AIDS"

I'll bite. How is this statement wrong? I legit don't know and would love to be informed.


IIRC, AIDS is defined to mean ``some symptoms from the laundry list, plus HIV. In other words, if you have AIDS without HIV, they don't call it AIDS.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 6:54 PM  

@124 S1AL

When pathways get inflammed, they act differently. If you inflame the entire gut, you get both "leaky gut" issues, weird allergies, specific malnutrition and then the further down-the-line issues. In all ASD cases, the Liver & Gut are in a state of dysfunction, just not a major one. (That's why they're not dead.)

I'm trying to avoid getting into things like "DNA Methylation deficiencies from 1-carbon metabolism dysfunction", but when you impact core systems in the body, the downstream effects are variant by a lot of non-direct vectors. Genetics, environment, weather, food supply or anything else a person interacts with.

Anonymous VFM #7916 November 30, 2017 6:55 PM  

@124

It's the third most common element in the Earth's crust. The real question is how it gets into the bloodstream and into the brain.

Also, a company's response to that aluminum in formula study:

"There are two presumptive errors as well in the study. First,the authors state that the levels of aluminum are “too high” based on what the US EPA considers as high aluminum levels. But the EPA very clearly states on their website that their standard only concerns the taste and color of water. They make it clear their assumption is not related to any health risk. While the study authors may feel different (and if they do, they need to add this data to the study), this is consistent with both the US Food & Drug and the UK Food Standards conclusion that the aluminum level within these 30 infant milk products studied is not only safe but within the standards they judge as acceptable for all foods. In fact, these milks are not considered to be any more of a health risk than several foods on the shelf for children like breakfast cereals and crackers–which also have larger amounts of aluminum. Indeed, aluminum is a human toxin, but understand that that aluminum is everywhere. There is aluminum in breastmilk simply because it is so abundantly ingested. Aluminum is so widely abundant that we breathe it (more in larger cities) in the air. We cannot get away from the metal on planet earth; and so, aluminum is found in almost all of our processed foods. "

Again, it's not that we're not exposed to it, but that it's in the bloodstream and reaches the brain.

Blogger S1AL November 30, 2017 6:56 PM  

'When pathways get inflammed, they act differently. If you inflame the entire gut, you get both "leaky gut" issues, weird allergies, specific malnutrition and then the further down-the-line issues. In all ASD cases, the Liver & Gut are in a state of dysfunction, just not a major one. (That's why they're not dead.)'

OK, to be clear - are you agreeing, disagreeing, or correcting something I said?

Blogger S1AL November 30, 2017 7:01 PM  

@VFM #7916

'Again, it's not that we're not exposed to it, but that it's in the bloodstream and reaches the brain.'

It's the accumulation angle that has me curious. If those with autism lack adequate mechanisms for removing stuff via the microbiome (such as aluminum), that provides both a source and a mechanism. It also could... maybe explain an immediate reaction? If there's a threshold level, and sufficient aluminum in the vaccine to trip it?

This isn't an area where I have more than a layman's knowledge, so it's entirely possible I'm not seeing something, but this would certainly tie a bunch of threads together.

Blogger cheddarman November 30, 2017 7:05 PM  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24189189

the human brain also accumulates aluminum in the expression of disease states with an inflammatory component, such as Alzheimers... I wonder if the assault on the body/brain by vaccines triggers the inflammation and accumulation of aluminum.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 7:17 PM  

@128 S1AL

Agreeing. "Perfect Storm" is a completely valid explanation for the problem, if unspecific.

Blogger wreckage November 30, 2017 7:25 PM  

@130. I'd like to see this one followed up. Aluminium does accumulate during inflammatory disease; that could offer a mechanism for vaccines to cause the accumulation, IF they cause inflammation.
But there's a fundamental problem with the sampling and causality that most people here should be able to spot.
And there's the problem that we are all exposed to, and ingest, huge amounts of aluminium over our lifetime. We'd need to look at how much there is in a needle compared to how much there is in your guts.

@129 Autism shows up in the brain, the gut biome, and the immune system. The systems are interconnected and the obvious connections would be the protein synthesis that manages the gut flora ALSO managing scrubbing or senescence in the brain.

Assuming vaccines cause aluminium accumulation which causes autism, why isn't autism far MORE prevalent? Why are diagnoses spiking UP when vaccination coverage is falling?

Again, with respect to Vox, I don't propose these here in order to dismiss or challenge, but to discover what your thoughts and that of the commentariat are; I think your boast regarding the average IQ of regular commenters is probably, well... not a boast. Definitely a great place to get SMART heterodox opinions.

Blogger S1AL November 30, 2017 7:30 PM  

'Assuming vaccines cause aluminium accumulation which causes autism, why isn't autism far MORE prevalent? Why are diagnoses spiking UP when vaccination coverage is falling?'

We already have an established link between obesity in the mother and autism occurrence, which provides another explanation that is (at least at this point) completely independent of any link to aluminum.

Additionally, is the incidence or the rate of incidence increasing? Last I checked, I had thought that the rate had stabilized or at least the increase slowed dramatically.

Anonymous Rocklea November 30, 2017 7:41 PM  

"They are born with their nervous system inflammed."

Many mothers are encouraged to vaccinate during pregnancy these days, for the fetus, it's the same as the disease. That could be your marathon.

Anonymous VFM #7916 November 30, 2017 7:53 PM  

Ok, some good research here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494348/figure/vaccines-03-00320-f003/

TDAP is the main culprit that uses aluminum as an adjuvant. MMR does not, IPV does not, but influenza, hep, meningococcal, and HPV vaccines all have it.

But look at the FUCKING chart!!!! When do most vaccines start having it?

Mid-1980's, bitches.

When did we really see autism take off? yeah....

Blogger Auriga Spacecoach November 30, 2017 8:02 PM  

Aluminum causes autism, Alzheimer's disease and strokes:
http://prevent-alzheimers-autism-stroke.com/index.php/chapter-1/

Silica removes aluminum from the body. Silica is best absorbed from drinking water, absorption from food is very poor. If you drink bottled water, drink high silica water. Otherwise, drink from a water filter which adds silica:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100281-A-Water-Filter-that-adds-Silicon-to-Prevent-Alzheimer-s

Almost every old person has at least some form of dementia, unless they are drinking high silica water. Dementia is actually a modern disease caused by aluminum. Before we ingested extra aluminum, no one got Alzheimer's disease.

Aluminum is in our water because water departments use alum (potassium aluminium sulfate) to clarify drinking water, acid rain leaches aluminum from the ground, and mortar lined water pipes leach aluminum into water. Fluorine in water increases aluminum absorption in the brain. We also get aluminum from vaccines, pharmaceuticals, food, aluminum cookware, some antiperspirants and some cosmetics. Aluminum absorption into the blood is 100% from injected vaccines, 0.3% from water, 0.2% from food, and 0.012% from antiperspirants.

Aluminum consumption should be reduced as much as possible. To deal with the remaining aluminum, drink water high in silica.

Blogger Dire Badger November 30, 2017 8:51 PM  

silica comes with it's own host of problems, although the majority of them are linked to respiratory inhalation.

I don't trust the whole 'injest more silica' thing, though... it seems like swallowing a bird to catch the spider.

Blogger Dangeresque November 30, 2017 8:55 PM  

Brad Richards wrote:Measles were declared "eliminated" in the year 2000, due to the success of the vaccination program. No longer, of course, thanks to the anti-vaxxers.

Or thanks to Somali immigrants, but nice try though.

Blogger Dangeresque November 30, 2017 8:56 PM  

ReluctantMessiah wrote:VD, looks like we have a great topic for Voxiversity

I second that vote.

Anonymous Bernard November 30, 2017 10:27 PM  

Aluminum is also present in antiperspirants

Probably best to avoid it to be safe


Autism is a congenital neural inflammatory disorder

Is there any increased functionality in autistics who reduce their inflammation? So many of our modern problems seem to be due to inflammation and reducing inflammation is the best thing most people can do for their health.

@20 Obesity is a sign of massive inflammation

@21 People also eat animal shit in some foods but no one injects it into them

@22 How do you tell an autistic animal from a non autistic animal?


@23: I skimmed the article. No mention of whether the aluminium might have come from the gutters.


Is there anyone who got rid of all aluminium in their life and noticed an improvement in them or their kids?


@109 Is measles was eradicated then you would no longer need to vaccinate against it unless it was bought back in from an outside source. Blame immigration for that. I gather you will join with me in calling for government to close the borders to prevent measles. If it saves just one child.!

Anonymous Looking Glass November 30, 2017 11:26 PM  

@140 Bernard

Inflammation is a state. The issue is always what is driving it. In most chronic situations, it's the inflammation causing further inflammation. The body can, when constrained in specific ways, become locked in a negative feedback loop.

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 01, 2017 12:29 AM  

I estimate I have seen less than 5 significant (read long-standing or life-threatening) adverse reactions to vaccination
I would estimate that you have seen dozens that you refused to acknowledged as vaccine reactions, and triggered perhaps hundreds that you never saw.

OpenID paulmurray December 01, 2017 12:34 AM  

Aluminium has been linked to dementia for ages - a link to ASD isn't surprising.

But a couple of vaccine shots? Peanuts compared to aluminium cookware. Anything acidic (eg: tomato) will pick up metal from the container it's cooked in. Processed food is afar, far more likely sorce of all this aluminium.

Anonymous zebedee December 01, 2017 12:36 AM  

Agreed, there are some serious diseases that you'd probably want vaccination against but mild childhood illnesses? Madness.

Blogger Auriga Spacecoach December 01, 2017 12:40 AM  

Dire Badger wrote:silica comes with it's own host of problems, although the majority of them are linked to respiratory inhalation.

None of them are linked to drinking silica water. Breathing silica is dangerous, as is breathing water. No one has ever been harmed by drinking silica rich water.

Bernard wrote:Is there anyone who got rid of all aluminium in their life and noticed an improvement in them or their kids?

Researchers at Keele University found that drinking high silica water reduced the amount of silica in the Alzheimer's patients' brains. Most showed no further signs of cognitive decline and three showed a major improvement:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/351582/Mineral-water-halts-scourge-of-Alzheimer-s

There has not been a quantitative study with vaccine victims. Anecdotally, silica water helped HPV vaccine victims also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKfbkeQyw84&feature=youtu.be&t=2852

Anonymous zebedee December 01, 2017 1:17 AM  

Should we tithe the Dark Lord a portion of the brains of our enemies or are empty skulls sufficient?

Blogger Montrose December 01, 2017 2:05 AM  

Supposedly babies ingest more aluminum from food than you do from vaccines in the first year.

There is probably a genetic factor and a quantity over time factor.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 01, 2017 2:35 AM  

I've tried to have reasoned rational discussions with two doctors about vaccines. They became virtually unhinged about it. There was no possibility of discussion.

That response alone tells anyone with common sense at the gut level something is wrong.


My daughter plays vollyball, so she needs a doctor to sign off on her physical that she's healthy enough to play in the youth league. So, there I was a couple months ago at the Pediatrician's office. Usually it's my wife who handles these things, but today, scheduling made it my job.

The lady doctor looks at the records and says "Oh, it's time for you daughter's DTaP booster."

My reply was:

-Tetanus. Absolutely yes, that's a really important vaccine.
-Diphtheria. I don't hear about many cases of that these days, but how dangerous is it? What is the risk if she doesn't get that vaccine?
-Pertussis. I saw a recent study that said the a cellular vaccine might not be effective. Plus, as I understand it, the real danger is for infants, but my daughter is 12. How dangerous is it to not vaccinate for Pertussis, and if a vaccine is important, should it be the older whole cell?
- If she really should get more than just the Tetanus shot, can we do them individually and spread them out by a couple of months each?

The dumb bitch didn't answer a single one of my questions. Instead she read me a riot act about endangering my child. I said "well, we don't have time for the shots today, I'll schedule those with your receptionist" just to get her to sign the stupid paperwork so my kid could play in her league.

Then I went home and told my wife I was going to find a new pediatrician. Still looking, most of them are pozzed.

Anonymous Reziac December 01, 2017 2:52 AM  

[puts on biochemist hat]

There's a lot of aluminum in the environment because bauxite is one of the most common natural minerals. Human extraction if anything reduces the average concentration in natural runoff -- tho we more than make it up from canned soda, which is acidic and micro-etches the cans. If you drink canned pop or beer you ingest a LOT of aluminum -- at a reasonable guess, a six-pack worth exceeds the lifetime total even from a max-vaccination program.

Another major source is standard baking powder, widely used in baked goods and home baking. (Try the "Clabber Girl" brand Al-free instead. Tastes better, rises more, tho its working window is VERY short.)

But blaming vaccines? That's a drop in the bucket, even IF aluminum is the problem. It may well be a harmless accumulation, like the silver that accumulates in people who ingest a lot of "colloidal silver" (to the point that some turn grey). And ALL of us ingest WAY more than that just from living -- canned drinks, cookware, ground water, etc etc. So if aluminum actually harms the brain.... more likely it's an inherited inability to process and dispose of (akin to the MDR1 defect that affects some dogs), leading to accumulation beyond the point where it begins to harm.

@Looking Glass: "physiological stress load capabilities" ... turns out PTSD is genetic (as a livestock breeder, I'm oh-so-surprised.... quite obviously inherited in dogs, and can be readily selected for or against), and is indeed due to the brain's inability to dispose of stress chemicals. If it's like MDR1 and various similar waste-disposal defects, likely the heterozygous state is mildly to moderately affected, while the homozygous-abnormal state is severely affected.

But in my observation, there's a strong tendency to blame whatever one least understands, and to most people's understanding, vaccines are a form of sympathetic magic; therefore any problem must be due to a failure of that magic. Before the MDR1 gene was identified, there was a similar hue-and-cry against ivermectin... nope, not its fault (in fact as drugs go it's unusually safe), but rather that affected dogs can't metabolize that class of drugs normally. (Some of them die under anaesthesia for the same reason.)

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Anonymous Looking Glass December 01, 2017 5:52 AM  

@151 Reziac

PTSD being far more likely along certain gene lines is to be expected. The actual issue is so much stress that it pretty much blows a hole in a chunk of the brain stem. That's why the dys-coordination effects are so intense. Though you can give anyone a case of PTSD if you inflict enough of the right type of stress on them. It's just a matter of that stress type is varied among a population.

But, this stuff more than likely repairable. Just not with the stupidity that infects modern Medical Researchers.

Anonymous Travis Bickle December 01, 2017 8:25 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:Or a lot of the "Ozone Hole" science was pretty bunk and were were simply observing a cyclical low period
Which just happened to come after the massive use of CFCs as things like aerosol propellants, and is associated with known and measured chemical processes in the stratosphere.

the air-quality improvements are solid so there isn't much room to complain about it.
Yes.

There's a reason the Global Warming fanatics never seem to bring up Montreal as a "model".
AYFKM?  My search for "Montreal protocol" "climate change" brings back 82,548 results.  If you didn't know this years ago, you're living in an information bubble.  Try these links:

https://www.c2es.org/content/the-montreal-protocol/
https://www.epa.gov/ozone-layer-protection/recent-international-developments-under-montreal-protocol
http://www.scmp.com/business/article/2040177/why-montreal-protocol-most-successful-climate-agreement-ever

By the way, 2017 is the 60th anniversary of the International Geophysical Year (IGY), as part of which Antarctic ozone measurements began.  Freon use exploded in the 1960's.  Had we started using CFCs heavily in the 19th century we'd have had ozone holes and never had anything resembling a baseline measurement to compare to.

Blogger Cloom Glue December 01, 2017 8:45 AM  

Reziac wrote:[puts on biochemist hat]

-- though we more than make it up from canned soda, which is acidic and micro-etches the cans. If you drink canned pop or beer you ingest a LOT of aluminum -- at a reasonable guess, a six-pack worth exceeds the lifetime total even from a max-vaccination program.



Why are you saying this? You must know the cans have a polymer coating. Are you saying the coating fails?

https://www.stevespanglerscience.com/lab/experiments/can-ripper/

Blogger Adam Thiele December 01, 2017 9:09 AM  

I'd recommend tin foil hats for you people, but they contain aluminium so you might get autism...

Blogger FrankNorman December 01, 2017 9:14 AM  

The vaccine debate is interesting, and the matter is obviously more complex than most people understand. Meanwhile, the HIV Denialists seem annoyingly obtuse.
Most of their arguments seem to be deliberately missing the point.

Blogger wreckage December 01, 2017 9:21 AM  

@154, we still use massive quantities of CFCs. Neither India nor China has phased out their use yet.

Blogger wreckage December 01, 2017 9:28 AM  

@150. diptheria, I think, is one of the ones that's fatal in infants, so I'd keep that one. It pretty much causes all your air passages to inflame to the point that they can even grow over. Your doctor should have been able to explain that, is she dense?

Pertussis is whooping cough, again, often fatal, and of note, it's widespread and highly contagious. So I'd keep that too.

Probably the objection to spreading them out is that the diseases outright kill babies. 3 vaccines isn't a lot, and those 3 are all killers.

Blogger robwbright December 01, 2017 10:49 AM  

@39 Re: Aluminum in antiperspirants... from the same author as the vaccine study:

https://www.hippocraticpost.com/cancer/antiperspirants-increase-risk-breast-cancer/

https://www.hippocraticpost.com/cancer/swiss-move-ban-aluminium-antiperspirants/

@131, Chedderman...

https://www.hippocraticpost.com/ageing/no-aluminium-no-alzheimers-disease/

https://www.hippocraticpost.com/mental-health/strong-evidence-linking-aluminium-alzheimers/

And the genetic component is evident re: the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of the flu vaccine:

"A study from Yale has found specific gene "signatures" that correlate with an effective response to the flu vaccine. The new research pinpointed specific clusters of genes that seem to be related to vaccine efficacy, but strangely discovered that while they could be associated with an above average response to the flu vaccine in those younger than 35 years-old, the exact opposite trend was found in those over the age of 60."

https://newatlas.com/genes-flu-vaccine-effectiveness/51078/

Anonymous Travis Bickle December 01, 2017 11:21 AM  

wreckage wrote:we still use massive quantities of CFCs. Neither India nor China has phased out their use yet.
Phased out worldwide in 2010.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Montreal_Protocol#Chlorofluorocarbons_.28CFCs.29_Phase-out_Management_Plan

The real shame is that the US government is ultra-paraoid about fire hazards.  In Europe you can buy refrigerators which use a few ounces of isobutane, which is dirt-cheap and has zero ODP.  Apparently they're so beknighted there, they think that if your kitchen is on fire to the point that the refrigerator vents due to overpressure you have a problem that makes a bit of isobutane moot.  Imagine that.

Anonymous Athor Pel December 01, 2017 11:26 AM  

"158. Blogger wreckage December 01, 2017 9:21 AM
@154, we still use massive quantities of CFCs. Neither India nor China has phased out their use yet.
"


But they aren't white or western so they don't count. Only westerners are criminals against the environment. Gaia says so.

Therefore if the west doesn't use them then the ozone hole should be fixed.

But serious question, if CFC's are heavier than air then how do they get into the upper atmosphere where the ozone lives? So confuse.

Anonymous Athor Pel December 01, 2017 11:46 AM  

"156. Blogger Adam Thiele December 01, 2017 9:09 AM
I'd recommend tin foil hats for you people, but they contain aluminium so you might get autism...
"



It's true. Whenever I put my tin foil hat on I can feel the Spirit of Sperg settle onto me.

It tickles but makes the craving for Kool-Aid go away so I drink Yoohoo instead.
Sperg says a Yoohoo a day keeps the chit chats away.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 01, 2017 12:32 PM  

@25 rtp. Persuant to d.c. sunsets' trenchant observations at #10, note that the dindu musloid from Somalia admitted to and gradumacated from a (((Kosher approved))) medico skool is still referred to as "doctor" here in Kwa-Bananaland. Of course, considering that one of London's top surgeons of the 19th century managed a 300% mortality rage in a single operation (patient, assistant and spectator), it seems the I-fucking love science gang has been a work touting their brilliance for quite some time. The patron saint of morons, Charles Darwin, had an uncle (also Charles Darwin) who died of infection after dissecting the corpse of a child in a British charnel-house referred to as a medical school in the late 18th century.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 01, 2017 2:03 PM  

Wreckage, I asked the person with a medical credential for information regarding medical procedures, risks, etc., and instead of answering my question, she berated me for daring to question her authority. She's an incompetent quack, regardless of whether DTaP is a good or bad idea.

It's clear to me she has no real idea if DTaP is the right treatment to administer to a generic healthy 12 year old girl, let alone the specific one she was seeing that day. She was simply regurgitating directives and scripts handed down from a far-away bureaucracy. She's not a doctor, she's a file clerk with a lab coat.

Anonymous Travis Bickle December 01, 2017 2:30 PM  

Athor Pel wrote:serious question
Yeah, right.

if CFC's are heavier than air then how do they get into the upper atmosphere where the ozone lives? So confuse.
You might ask yourself why the atmosphere hasn't settled out with layers of krypton, CO2 and argon at the surface, asphyxiating everything that needs oxygen.  Oh, and an oxygen layer above it and below the nitrogen, so that everything combustible burns furiously at those altitudes and there are no surviving plants.  You'd ask if you were honest, that is.

The straight answer is diffusion and turbulent mixing.  The concentration of different gases is substantially the same up to a very high altitude.  But with search engines at your fingertips, you couldn't be bothered to sate your own curiosity.  You thought you could score cheap rhetorical points instead.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 01, 2017 3:50 PM  

Diptheria, formerly known as membranous croup, is a very dangerous illness. It can suffocate the victim by changing the consistency of mucous, causing the formation of membranes which shut off air passages.
With modern medical care it is essentially no longer fatal. It is also so rare as to be unheard of domestcally, except in immigrants and those in contact with them.

Anonymous andrewknorr December 01, 2017 7:58 PM  

This from the guy who fell for Pizzagate, an obvious fraud. How is that investigtion going, by the way?

Blogger GDev December 01, 2017 8:58 PM  

Check out Dr. Stephanie Seneff, researcher into glyphosate. There is a 99.9 + % correlation between the increase in autism and the increased use of glyphosate. The glyphosate chelates aluminum and other heavy metals from vaccines and other sources and allows them to pass through the blood brain barrier into the brain where the bond breaks down releasing the heavy metals into the brain where they remain trapped. Heavy metals are chelated by glyphosate and pass through protective barriers to be released in other body organs in the same way.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 01, 2017 11:41 PM  

Pizzagate is almost axiomatically true. But then, you probably think it's about a pizza parlor.

Anonymous jack December 02, 2017 1:54 AM  

I think that the easiest and potentially most effective counter-argument to this "metals in vaccines" stuff is that, regardless of the bogeyman-of-the-week, environmental exposure far outweighs, usually by an order of magnitude, the sum of all doses received across all vaccines anyone will receive in their lifetime.

So, sure, let's play the game and assume that increased aluminum exposure causes aluminum to concentrate in the brain and in turn causes autism. Let's rule out the possibility that there are structural differences in the autistic brain that cause it to concentrate metals differently. Let's also ignore the fact that if you look in enough places and at enough compounds for things to randomly line up in the brains of a few individuals that eventually you will find SOMETHING that, by random chance, happens to line up. It's akin to saying "We've searched the property, personal history and habits of these five people who won the lottery during their lifetime and noticed that they all, at some point, lived on a street whose name ends with the letter T for two whole years longer than the national average. This must have caused their lottery winnings." What's really happened is that you've just happened to examine enough irrelevant data points that you were able to find something, by random chance, that lined up.

Let's ALSO ignore the fact that people don't seem to develop autism later as their exposure to aluminum goes up throughout, or that their autism doesn't seem to get worse as they're exposed to more aluminum in their environment.

There are so many holes in this argument that it's mind-boggling that it's being taken seriously. There's no way to actually determine where that aluminum came from, at what stage of life it started to accumulate and how long it had been there. To automatically assume that it showed up at the time of vaccine administration, came FROM vaccines (rather than mom's diet while baby is in the womb or environmental exposure which both far outstrip the aluminum content in vaccines) and that it caused autism is stupid. Like, willfully, pathologically ignorant.

I'm surprised that someone who prides himself on intellectual honesty keeps reaching as far as he does to validate this position. I suppose you gotta be wrong about something, though.

Anonymous andrewknorr December 02, 2017 7:29 AM  

Every single Vox post begins with "I was always right about this" or "As I always say" or similar. Vox is not really familiar with things like evidence, probability, or doubt. He just asserts stuff that he is absolutely sure about and then when he's wrong it must be because you were too stupid to understand.

Blogger Goldeneye December 02, 2017 12:10 PM  

Daniel wrote:Simple, effective way of reducing body odor. In the shower keep a spray bottle mixture of water and vinegar. After soaping and rinse, spray body with water/vinegar mixture. Scrub and rinse. Fresh as a daisy and no fallout.

What's the ratio of vinegar to water?

Anonymous Physics May Solve Your Delusions December 02, 2017 2:36 PM  

Let's work with the numbers from the linked article which allegedly found 11.59 μg/g dry weight. Brain is about 80% water so this is roughly (11.59*(1-0.80)) = 2.3μg/g brain weight. Brain is roughly 3 pounds or 1.4 kg = 1400g so the total aluminum is 2.3x1400 μg or 3,220 μg = 3.22 mg.

The total amount of aluminum in vaccines for first 6 months of life is about 4mg. The numbers are comparable but it's ridiculous to imagine that 75% of the aluminum in vaccines gets stored up in brain tissue.

Wikipedia has a list of the elements found in the human body:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_body#Elemental_composition_list

On the list of 60 elements found in the human body, Aluminum is #21 with a total of 0.000060 kg = 60mg. So humans do contain aluminum quite naturally. If aluminum does cause autism, the article certainly doesn't provide any evidence of it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 02, 2017 6:53 PM  

@Physics,
You really really really don't get it. Moronic is the appropriate adjective.

Blogger Auriga Spacecoach December 02, 2017 9:42 PM  

Physics May Solve Your Delusions wrote:Let's work with the numbers from the linked article..

Thank you for providing numbers and references.

While I commend you for using math, because you compared the aluminum from vaccines for a 6 month old to the aluminum in an adult, you reached the wrong conclusion. The correct way is to compare the aluminum from vaccines for a 6 month old to the aluminum in a 6 month old. An average 6 month old baby has a mass of 7.5 kg, from the infant weight calculator:
http://www.medindia.net/patients/calculators/ideal_weight_result.asp

This weight times the aluminum fraction of mass of 870 x 10-9 from your reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_body#Elemental_composition_list

gives an aluminum weight of 7.5 kg * 870 x 10-9 = 6,525 x 10-9 kg = 6.5 mg. The average birthweight is 3 kg, this times 870 x 10-9 gives an aluminum weight of 2.6 mg. So between birth and 6 months of age, the average baby gains (6.5 - 2.6) mg = 3.9 mg of aluminum.

Adult humans get an average of 12 mcg of aluminum from food into the blood per day. A baby is smaller than an adult so eats less. The most correct way to interpolate food consumption is to assume it is proportional to surface area, the most common way is to assume it is proportional to weight. Assuming it is proportional to surface area, and assuming that the average height of a baby between birth and 6 months of age is the height at 3 months of age (60 cm), the average consumption of aluminum between birth and 6 months of age is 182 days (half a year) * 12 mcg / day * (60 / 170) ** 2 = 272 mcg (0.272 mg) of aluminum in the blood. If food consumption is assumed to be proportional to weight, and assuming that the average weight of a baby between birth and 6 months of age is the weight at 3 months of age (6 kg), the average consumption of aluminum between birth and 6 months of age is 182 days (half a year) * 12 mcg / day * 6 / 70 = 187 mcg (0.187 mg) of aluminum in the blood.

The assumption most favorable to the pro-vaxxers is 0.272 mg of aluminum into the blood from food, using that assumption babies are getting 3.9 / 0.272 = 14 times as much aluminum in the blood from vaccines as from food. Put another way, 3.9 / (3.9 + 0.272) = 0.93 (93%) of the aluminum that gets into the blood of a baby between birth and 6 months of age is from vaccines. Most of the aluminum that babies get into their blood is from vaccines, not nature.

Anonymous Physics May Solve Your Delusions December 03, 2017 10:20 AM  

Auriga Spacecoach; I suppose that your calculations are correct but that's, uh, different from the argument of the post which was:

"So, the obvious question this raises is: how did so much aluminum get into the brain tissue in the first place? And the obvious answer is: from being injected with vaccines containing aluminum."

To talk about the amount of aluminum in baby vaccines compared to the amount of aluminum in baby food is a bit silly. What you need to argue is how deadly aluminum is. The wiki article does not list aluminum with a "negative effect of excess" which, (to the extent that people interested in these things have edited wiki) suggests that science may not have determined how much aluminum is required for a negative effect.

To support the argument that blood injected aluminum is a cause of brain damage you need to do the following: (1) Show that some percentage of the injection aluminum ends up in the brain. What percentage is that??? (2) Show that the aluminum in the brain causes brain damage. This is different from showing that people with brain damage have excess aluminum in their brains. The reason this is different is that "correlation does not imply causation". It is quite likely that brain damage causes metals to collect in the brain. For example, read this Stanford article Metal Accumulation in Huntington's Disease. This is also a brain disease:

"There are several reasons why iron might accumulate in the course of a neurodegenerative disorder. The iron accumulation might be a direct result of the disease. In the case of HD, scientists do not yet understand why this would occur. But it is also possible that the iron accumulation is a consequence of secondary effects of the disease. For instance, in HD iron accumulation might occur because after neuronal loss (a direct result of HD) the cells that died are replaced by cells with higher iron content (secondary effect). Another alternative is that iron accumulation is facilitated by the breakdown of the blood brain barrier, an event which might allow excess iron from the body to enter the brain."

Medicine regularly goes through panics from the "correlation = causation" assumption. For example, it's still widely believed that dietary cholesterol causes cardiovascular disease despite evidence to the contrary. It's the usual story, the believers only cite articles that support their belief and ignore contrary evidence. You can read between the lines at the wiki article on "lipid hypothesis" controversy here: "This meta-analysis, including the less-cited trials, found that mortality was not decreased by lowering cholesterol, and that the lowering of cholesterol was unlikely to prevent coronary heart disease.[28][29][30]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis#Controversy

The first article I found on aluminum causing brain problems was behind a $35 pay wall, but I did find this one: http://medind.nic.in/iby/t08/i10/ibyt08i10p545.pdf

One of the interesting observation is: "Dietary intake of Al from food is small compared with the amounts consumed through the use of Al containing antacids that may provide doses of 50-1000 mg/day 26,27" Assuming someone uses antacids at the upper limit for a decade (several of my relatives) at 1000mg/day, they've consumed 3.650 kilograms of aluminum, LOL. As for myself, I prefer getting calcium from my antacids rather than aluminum.

Anonymous Travis Bickle December 03, 2017 10:53 AM  

The measurement given isn't from an infant, Auriga.  It's from a 15-yr-old.  We're not given any data on infants.  You do have a point about the relative mass of aluminum from diet vs. vaccines but we don't know anything about its disposition.

Blogger S1AL December 04, 2017 7:59 AM  

Please stop nattering about aluminum cans. You aren't getting aluminum into your system that way unless you're literally eating the tabs.

Anonymous FAILBOAT December 04, 2017 11:38 PM  

Study: "Aluminium has been observed in abnormal concentrations in autistic brains"

This is consistent with "environmental aluminum exposure causes autism", or potentially "intravenous aluminum exposure causes autism", and the reason not every kid who has gotten a vaccine is autistic is "some moderating effect of a gene or unknown environmental factor"

Another explanation could be "a newly discovered component of the autism syndrome is an alteration in the absorption, disposition, metabolism, and excretion of aluminum"

I assess that the following line of thinking: "Aluminum in brains of autistics, aluminum is in vaccines, vaccines shot into blood, blood reaches brain, aluminium blood causes autism!!!!!1111111" does not follow from the study referenced.

The hypothesis that autism syndrome involves errors in aluminium ADME, which when untreated lead to developmental delay would be consistent with other syndromes causing developmental delay due to metabolic errors, like PKU. So, interesting and important paper, but misinterpreted here in my opinion.

Vox, could you share your thoughts on creationist microbiology please?

Blogger Auriga Spacecoach December 05, 2017 3:42 AM  

Physics May Solve Your Delusions wrote:To talk about the amount of aluminum in baby vaccines compared to the amount of aluminum in baby food is a bit silly.

In the last paragraph of your total alumimun calculation post you wrote:
"So humans do contain aluminum quite naturally."

Three other people on this thread said that food was a bigger contributor to aluminum in the blood than vaccines. It is a common myth of pro-vaxxers that people are getting more aluminum into their blood from food than vaccines. It is therefore important to point out the fact babies are getting far more aluminum in their blood from vaccines than from food.

Physics May Solve Your Delusions wrote:What you need to argue is how deadly aluminum is.

I agree. In order to prove causality, criteria were developed by Austin Hill and Robert Van Reekum. The nine points, along with evidence for each point, are the following:

Strength of association between aluminum and AD:
The Ontario study found the risk of developing AD is 2.6 times higher among those who drank water containing over 100mcg/L for at least 10 years versus those who drank water containing less than 100mcg/L.

Consistency of association between aluminum and AD:
A 2001 meta-analysis involving a comprehensive literature survey discovered that 9 out of 13 epidemiology studies found a significant positive correlation between aluminum in municipal drinking water and AD.

Specificity of association between aluminum and AD:
Out of all environmental factors considered, only aluminum triggers all major histopathological events associated with AD. The “hot spots” in the brain where the highest levels of aluminum were found include the hippocampal complex, entorhinal cortex, and frontal cortex. These areas of the brain are all important for memory.

Temporality of aluminum accumulation occurring before AD:
For the last 125 years we have lived in the “aluminum age” during which there has been a steady increase in our exposure to aluminum. The reported number of AD cases rose from one in 1907 to more than 90 by 1935.

Biological Gradient with Dose-response Effects of Aluminum and AD:
McLachlan observed a dose-response in the amount of aluminum in drinking water with the risk of AD. From his study's table, at less than 100 mcg/L of aluminum, relative risk of AD is 1, at >100 risk is 2.6, at >125 risk is 3.6, at >150 risk is 4.4, at >175 risk is 7.6.

Biological Plausibility of Aluminum Neurotoxicity Causing AD:
It has been observed from microscopy that aluminum causes lesions in the brain’s perforant pathway that result in short term memory loss. Aluminum ions modify and inhibit the function of calmodulin, a messenger protein required for memory formation and storage.

Coherence of what we know about how aluminum neurotoxicity causes AD:
Aluminum has been shown to participate in NFT formation in both pre-tangle and tangle-bearing cells.

Analogy of metal neurotoxicity to diseases similar to AD:
The two best analogies for a trace metal in the environment causing a disease, such as aluminum causing AD, are the effects of lead or mercury accumulation in our brains. Like aluminum both of these metals accumulate in our bodies over our lifetime and cause mental illness.

Experimental evidence showing that AD can be prevented:
With comparable life expectancy and higher orthosilicic acid in their drinking water, people who live in Malaysia and Singapore have a much lower death rate due to AD.

The above is a small sample of the evidence that aluminum causes Alzheimer's from:
http://prevent-alzheimers-autism-stroke.com/index.php/chapter-1/

I didn't include all the evidence because it would sprawl over several posts.

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