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Wednesday, November 22, 2017

Churchianity and the Cross

"Jesus did not die on the cross so the world could rebuild the Tower of Babel."

The days of failing to confront Churchianity, Good Samaritanism, Equality in the Church, Refugeeism, and other false, heretical teachings that attempt to pass themselves off as What Jesus Would Do are over. They are branches severed from the tree and there is neither truth nor life in them. And far too many Christians need to be reminded of that.

Aslan is not a tame lion. The purpose of the Church is not to ensure that no one's feelings are hurt.

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Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira November 22, 2017 6:32 PM  

Boys, we got a LOT of work to do. Good.

Blogger Starboard November 22, 2017 6:38 PM  

C. S. Lewis passed away November 22, 1963 from end stage renal failure. If we have to mourn the anniversary of someone's passing on this day let it be his rather than JFK's.

"Jesus did not die on the cross so the world could rebuild the Tower of Babel."
This is most certainly true.

Blogger Mr. Naron November 22, 2017 6:39 PM  

Is a book on churchianity on the way?

Blogger Starboard November 22, 2017 6:45 PM  

I'm looking at your cryptofashion page, Vox. Your Official Castalia House T-Shirts say "Revolution in Science Fiction." I'm thinking you're a revolution in far more than just science fiction, so I may have to stock up on this "old" one before you upgrade to "The Revolution in Publishing" It's beginning to look like a Castalia/Cryptofashion Christmas.

OpenID markstoval November 22, 2017 7:02 PM  

"The purpose of the Church is not to ensure that no one's feelings are hurt."

That is one of your best lines. So true.

Some have been pointing out that the current Pope is not even Catholic. He apparently said Jesus on the cross was only a metaphor. Time to hurt his feelings looks like. (if the reports are true)

You picked a good day to post this one. C.S. Lewis was a great friend in my childhood. I met him through his writings. If times had been different I might have had an on-line conversation with him. That would have been glorious.

May the wind be at your back.

Blogger VD November 22, 2017 7:04 PM  

I'm thinking you're a revolution in far more than just science fiction.

One step at a time. But it's not me, seriously. It's all of you guys. I mean, what do I know about comics? Trust me, if it wasn't for you all, I never would have even considered looking at them.

Blogger tz November 22, 2017 7:10 PM  

Not merely rebuild it, but undo the miracle where the languages were confused and the nations were split up and isolated to insure we wouldn't have a one-world government.

Christianity gave us Western Civilization.
Soon:
Fallen, fallen is Babylon the ingrate.

The Church specificially is to hurt feelings - to insure guilt and pain for sin. Leprosy kills nerves so you can't feel pain, so you won't notice damage and death of parts of your body. The Pharisees felt no guilt or pain even when condemning Jesus to death after urging Barabbas be freed.

Healthy tissue feels pain when hurt.
Healthy souls feel pain when they sin.

The converse is true. A real Christian won't feel hurt by stupid accusations like of racism or sexism. They will continue to proclaim the Gospel. Paul was beaten and probably killed (and resurrected) once for preaching the truth. But his feelings weren't hurt.

Empathy is a good thing, but it can't override reason and evidence. Cruelty for its own sake, or generally is evil, but inflicting pain on earth to cause someone to avoid the pains of eternal hellfire is part of evangelism.

Blogger D. November 22, 2017 7:15 PM  

No Darkstreams lately. :(

Blogger VD November 22, 2017 7:16 PM  

No Darkstreams lately.

Working on Voxiversity and editing an important book.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 22, 2017 7:27 PM  

Did Chuck Dixon already finish Avalon? Is he having input on the art?

Anonymous Clueless Churchian November 22, 2017 7:28 PM  

But....but....but....muh God is Love! Muh Brotherhood of all mankind! Muh Kum Bayah Whut about muh KumBaYah?

Blogger Cubby8126 November 22, 2017 7:33 PM  

That's a sick shirt. Next paycheck and its mine.

Blogger Geoarrge November 22, 2017 7:37 PM  

Embrace the fracture: kintsugi

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger November 22, 2017 7:56 PM  

I'm in something of a dilemma with my Church. The things I like about it are that it's non-denominational, doesn't have a bunch of silly rules about drinking alcohol, and doesn't require that I dress up for services. But I've noticed a certain trend in the head pastor's remarks that has gotten more explicit recently.

Incidentally, this church is very "colorful"--lots of "salt and pepper" couples. Lots of blacks. I have not had a problem with that, nor do I expect to, per se.

About six months ago, the head pastor talked about the "great cultural melting pot"--and he made fun of it. Then he ridiculed the idea that our goal is to get to the point where "race doesn't matter". He said that to "celebrate diversity" we need to emphasize our cultural differences, instead of do away with them.

This was a real slap in the face for me. I'd always thought of myself as a person for whom race doesn't matter--or I tried real hard to think of it that way. I have tried to judge every person on his own merits, and not form a pre-judgment based on his race. And here my pastor was telling me that race was important. My first thought was "He's going to pray to have that melting pot back--and he's not going to get it." And then I thought, "If race is important, then isn't the white race important, too? Isn't being white something I should be proud of?" This started a process of change in my thinking that is hard to describe--probably because the change isn't finished. I know I must sound terribly naive to you all, but that's the way I am. I'm being honest.

The main difficulty is that my family is heavily involved in this church. One of my daughters works for the church in child care, and I feel so blessed that she's turned into the good mother that she is, and going to church. (And not overdosing on drugs any more!) Her husband (officially Catholic) also attends, and really likes the services because they don't make him fall asleep. (I wish I could say the same for myself--I hate the bland "pop" music, especially.) My other daughters both attend, also. And of course my wife is a big supporter of this church.

I've tried talking to my daughters and my son in law about my thoughts, about what I would guess one could call the "cognitive dissonance" I experienced on hearing those remarks during the sermon. I'm saying things like "50 years of Affirmative Action is enough!". They seem to think I am becoming a nazi racist. (They started thinking this when I and my wife voted for Trump, actually...but now I feel I'm having to tread very carefully indeed, or risk a family rift.)

I'm waiting for God's guidance. My wife claims not to have heard what I heard during that same sermon, and my offspring are definitely not red-pilled. One of these days, this pastor is going to cross the line where I have to say that I'm leaving the church...or maybe he will see the light of God's truth. But I am pessimistic; I have the feeling that none of it is going to be pretty. It's going to hurt. I just don't want to hurt my family.

I imagine this is how it felt when families started being stressed during the run-up to the American Civil War, or maybe the spread of the Reformation. I feel that great things are happening, that God is moving in all this. But he's come bringing a sword this time.

Blogger James November 22, 2017 7:59 PM  

I see all the gay and lesbian, and soon to be transgender, "pastors" paraded before the world as shepherds of the flock. Shepherds are supposed to protect the flock, not encourage the flock to do whatever is right in their own eyes. There are many verses in the Bible that make it clear that homosexual behavior is an abomination in God's eyes. But not an abomination to churchianity. To those that still remain within those benighted congregations that say they are Christian, and are not, but are a church of Satan, what the Bible actually says is irrelevant. It was written in less enlightened times, when uneducated people believed that a supernatural being existed that created man and responded to magical invocations called prayer. Because of science, we know that there is no creator, only physical laws which effect the closest thing to a God, DNA. And there is one overriding condition that everyone possesses and is the closest thing to magic in our lives. It is called "love". And "love" can be a different thing for everybody. In fact, it can be whatever you want. Why, if you want to marry your horse and spend the rest of your life in wedded bliss with the animal, it is as real as male/female love, man/boy love, or xir/zie love.

This is why so few Christians understand Islam. Christians no longer have absolute standards. If you want to excise 98% of God's word, and cherry pick what verses you will adhere to, then go ahead. Ye are as Gods. Your interpretation is as valid as anyone else's belief. Since we have been told that Christianity was once as ignorant and intolerant as what "haters" say Islam is, Churchianists believe that Muslims will eventually see the errors of their ways and be as opened minded as modern Christians are. These "enlightened" fools don't understand that such a change will only occur once Muslims give up absolute standards. Since Islamic countries have an entire social and political structure that enforces absolute standards, this is not going to happen. Or, if it does, it will only be after practicing Muslims have become as jaded and perverted as Churchianity is.

Anonymous Killua November 22, 2017 7:59 PM  

Great art.

I would have placed the tower in the center and the text above the tower. The way it is you can't see the "Jesus" part well.

Good luck with the shirts.

Blogger D. November 22, 2017 8:03 PM  

VD Good luck with both!

Blogger VD November 22, 2017 8:10 PM  

Did Chuck Dixon already finish Avalon? Is he having input on the art?

He finished Volume I. He has two more to go. Yes, he's working closely with the artists.

Blogger weka November 22, 2017 8:11 PM  

@15. The pastors the narrative promotes are reliably heretics. If you go to their churches, you will be the youngest cisgendered person in the room. The people of faith left are those who are too old to flee.

They think they have killed the church, gutted it, and are wearing the skinsuit.

But they are wrong. The church is already correcting these errors.

Blogger Daniel Bendele November 22, 2017 8:27 PM  

I've started to refer to the American Church as "Self Help Jesus". That sums up the vast majority of my experience at the last few "Churches" I attended. It was Dr. Phil with some Jesus thrown in. Cheeks in seats is the overriding driver of most ministries today. They don't care about the truth, they don't care about sanctification, or preaching the Gospel.

I'm ready for Alt-Church. Not sermons with titles like "What Does Game of Thrones or This is Us teach us about the being Christians?" I want a church that celebrates being in the world, but NOT of it. I want a church that tells us to Deus Vult! I'm working on teaching myself Latin and Greek at the moment, so whenever you start the Alt-Church seminary, Vox, I'll be ready to enroll.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 22, 2017 8:54 PM  

Daniel Bendele wrote:I'm ready for Alt-Church. Not sermons with titles like "What Does Game of Thrones or This is Us teach us about the being Christians?" I want a church that celebrates being in the world, but NOT of it. I want a church that tells us to Deus Vult! I'm working on teaching myself Latin and Greek at the moment, so whenever you start the Alt-Church seminary, Vox, I'll be ready to enroll.

Bring me a church like that and lack of faith aside, I'll go. Make the Catholic church like that and I'll fight for it

Where I live though, not going to happen.

Blogger tz November 22, 2017 9:13 PM  

Zmirak Fights Cucktholicism

Even the quality of heresy has gone to hell. The old, bold heretics like Nestor, Pelagius, and Arius have been replaced by - I'd call them "soy boys" but I'm not sure about the latter adjective.

Mr Rogerism is a heresy, but so laughable.

They also forget Rainbows require the location anti-sunward be rained on, often hard.

That the lion and lamb can't coexist until Christ's return. And it is important to distinguish between lions and lambs.

Anonymous Avalanche November 22, 2017 9:23 PM  

@14 I'm in something of a dilemma with my Church. The things I like about it are that it's non-denominational, doesn't have a bunch of silly rules about drinking alcohol, and doesn't require that I dress up for services. But I've noticed a certain trend in the head pastor's remarks that has gotten more explicit recently.

About six months ago, the head pastor talked about the "great cultural melting pot"--and he made fun of it. Then he ridiculed the idea that our goal is to get to the point where "race doesn't matter". He said that to "celebrate diversity" we need to emphasize our cultural differences, instead of do away with them.

This was a real slap in the face for me. I'd always thought of myself as a person for whom race doesn't matter--or I tried real hard to think of it that way. I have tried to judge every person on his own merits, and not form a pre-judgment based on his race. And here my pastor was telling me that race was important.


So, your pastor has thrown you a hard bone to gnaw on. A thought that does NOT 'sit well' with your comfortable unconsidered views on church and Christ, eh? You've been able to 'applaud yourself' for years, for doing well in the eyes of the men around you -- without a THOUGHT for God's eyes? Sleep-walking through Sunday services, bowing your head and heart to the 'preaching' of the MSM, Churchianity, the intentional destruction of your own people?

Really hard bone, indeed! So, it's great that you recognize this:
because the change isn't finished. I know I must sound terribly naive to you all

And realize ALL of us have gone through the difficulties of rejecting 'modern times, modern teachings.' ALL of us have had to give up our unthinking, unconsidered, go along to get along, blindness -- and DECIDE! Decide what does the Bible really say and mean; what did JESUS really say and mean! How do we account for throwing over the money changers' tables and driving off the sellers with a WHIP!? The Good Samaritan did NOT bring the injured traveler home to his house and give him his own daughter to rape: he paid to put the injured man up IN A HOTEL until he could continue on his journey -- and GO AWAY!

Anonymous Avalanche November 22, 2017 9:23 PM  

Now, as much as you want to 'work this out' (in fear and trembling: see the essay here, this has meant a lot to me... http://www.snowtao.com/family/daddy.htm#belief )

Something (Pastor) Bill Strong said last month brought me up short. Forty years ago I had a pretty standard conversion experience, such as characterizes the life of many sixteen-year-olds, and for some time I had wings. But I lost them, and maybe twenty years ago I decided to dump the whole God Hypothesis, bag and baggage, and take, like, one world at a time. That is something like taking the top off your head. Then Bill said something about "working out your salvation in fear and trembling," a verse which I have known since I went to Sunday School, but never really thought about, because the idea of working for salvation ran counter to being saved by Grace, and that as the gift of God. You see, I didn't notice that it says working out, not for. So perhaps that is what I have been doing. In any case I am still a doubter, holding an agnostic position, but over the years I have put many doubts to rest. It was to tell you about them, so that if you have had them you can do the same, that I accepted this invitation to speak to you.

I've tried talking to my daughters and my son in law about my thoughts, about what I would guess one could call the "cognitive dissonance" I experienced

Not their job. You cannot 'work it out' WITH your family. This is the solitary part of working it out. You, as head of the household, need to work it out for yourself, so YOU are solid and based in it. Once you're (I'd say) safely over into the Alt Right; understanding what's right and wrong'; once you've reconciled what you've been (mis-)taught, what "comfortable" (crap) you've been filled with to keep you coming to this church, and not the one down the street; only then can you even BEGIN to bring this "unwelcome knowledge" to your family.


I'm waiting for God's guidance.

You mean, instead of getting up off your "oh-so-comfortable" butt and DOING THE WORK to get educated and have a TRUE understanding of what you are to do and believe?! Have you not heard the call? Has not God thrown you a bone that you ARE to take seriously?

My wife claims not to have heard what I heard during that same sermon, and my offspring are definitely not red-pilled.

Not their paths, not right now. YOUR path! YOUR burden! YOUR job!


One of these days, this pastor is going to cross the line where I have to say that I'm leaving the church...or maybe he will see the light of God's truth. But I am pessimistic; I have the feeling that none of it is going to be pretty. It's going to hurt. I just don't want to hurt my family.

What? Because Christianity is NOT SUPPOSED TO HURT?! Are you a Sunday School child -- or an ADULT MAN who is maybe supposed to become an ELDER in his church -- to lead, guide, and direct? (And stop borrowing trouble: "oh someday, maybe something – so I'll just sit back down and go back to sleep?!" NO!)

PERHAPS your minister -- or GOD! -- threw that fox into your comfortable henhouse to see if any of the hens were actually roosters!

Which are you?

Anonymous crushlimbraw November 22, 2017 9:34 PM  

Matthew 28:18-20 - 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." - you cannot 'spiritualize this command into navel gazing' - it's a command into action, starting with your family - read the rest at my website - and get to work!
Thank you, VD! You are doing exactly as commanded!

Blogger Groggy November 22, 2017 9:52 PM  

The Church specificially is to hurt feelings - to insure guilt and pain for sin.

Great point!

Blogger Rashadjin November 22, 2017 9:59 PM  

@14 Sidehill Dodger

Can't say that I've got any insight from God for you. Can't even say I've got some good advice for you as there's too many factors in play.

Typically, though, it will become clear when it's time to move on from that church. Your experience will shift from whatever it is now (okay-ish?) to death such that going there will be like flipping on the TV to a very regrettable pop music show.

You are also the anchor of your family, and yes, that sometimes involves taking one for the team by not alienating them with moves that will cause the rift you fear. Be wise in that regard. If something from the sermon sticks out to you as being a red flag, ask the family what they think about it in the context of the sermon and broader events. Give them the space to air their thoughts first and then gently counterpoint them with your perspective.

The most likely reason your wife didn't remember those troubling remarks is because they're such baseline assumptions in her mind that they weren't worth remembering.

And keep praying about it of course. God will lead you in the right direction in time, in the way He usually interacts with you. You may be stuck with that church for the moment because it's what someone else in your family needs - the right place at the right time for them. More than likely given what you've shared.

Hold strong to what is True. Be patient with what is.

Blogger Lazarus November 22, 2017 10:12 PM  

Sidehill Dodger wrote:About six months ago, the head pastor talked about the "great cultural melting pot"--and he made fun of it. Then he ridiculed the idea that our goal is to get to the point where "race doesn't matter". He said that to "celebrate diversity" we need to emphasize our cultural differences, instead of do away with them.

Ok, now I am confused. How is this a bad thing? Now you can bring up Race and I.Q. differences.

Blogger Rashadjin November 22, 2017 10:16 PM  

@26 tz and Groggy

The Church specificially is to hurt feelings - to insure guilt and pain for sin.
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Great point!


No, no it is not.

The Church is primarily there to be a positive community and bastion of God's will and kingdom on earth - the corporate body of believers under God's lordship that brings healing, love and truth to all they touch.

Sin carries enough pain and destruction without the Church cleaving apart the corporate body by weaponizing guilt. I've seen what weaponized guilt does to a family. It's not pretty. It's a sin all its own.

Anonymous Quadko November 22, 2017 10:30 PM  

Love it! Bought it!

Blogger Lazarus November 22, 2017 10:38 PM  

Rashadjin wrote:@14 Sidehill Dodger

Can't say that I've got any insight from God for you. Can't even say I've got some good advice for you as there's too many factors in play.



How about this from Matthew 10?

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.


It is fairly explicit. Sidehill Dodger even referenced it on some level:

I imagine this is how it felt when families started being stressed during the run-up to the American Civil War, or maybe the spread of the Reformation. I feel that great things are happening, that God is moving in all this. But he's come bringing a sword this time.

Blogger Phillip George November 22, 2017 10:40 PM  

Vox, the "It's O.K. to be white" was a powerful, transformational meme,,

could your art house do "White, and Not Guilty"

Blogger Phillip George November 22, 2017 10:54 PM  

Mussolini fingered corporatism as the grand daddy of all new age evil. Legal fiction.

There is a Commonwealth of Real Israel and it is multi ethnic. In so much as the UN is headquartered in the USA. Domiciled accommodated the US has a curse for tolerating the antiChrist whores sitting in it.

To Wit Mussolini to Vladimir Putin have a kill shot in their cross hairs.

www.JimStone.is is the most original stand alone one man show on the fact of the planet I humbly suggest....

Earlier today I heard rumor (that I did not post because it was only rumor) but it was at least rumor that Russia has decided there is a need to do military strikes on Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Monsanto, and other companies that have become as powerful as governments, because they are extremely corrupt and threatening the entire world (not only Russia). Stuff that in your cap now along with the confirmed reports that Russia really is tooling up for war.

you might be able to unscramble this ......

that and the look that Hilary is sporting a tracking device might mean some one has called in their own personal Samson option??

Blogger Brad Matthews November 22, 2017 11:08 PM  

One of us is going to have to do it. His plate is full.

Anonymous simplytimothy November 22, 2017 11:08 PM  

A Biblical kill-shot. Well done.

Blogger Brad Matthews November 22, 2017 11:10 PM  

I am starting a group just like that where I live and so can you.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain November 22, 2017 11:19 PM  

Off-topic:

Following Lauren Rose and Faith Goldy, Blonde in the Belly of the Beast has also turned away from Civic Nationalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih4RYO1te8s

We're witnessing the transformation.

Blogger CM November 22, 2017 11:25 PM  

Aslan is not a tame lion.

"Will you promise not to eat me?"

I will make no such promise

"Then I'll go and find another stream..."

Then you will die of thirst

-The Silver Chair

Blogger CM November 22, 2017 11:34 PM  

tz wrote:
The Church specificially is to hurt feelings - to insure guilt and pain for sin. Leprosy kills nerves so you can't feel pain, so you won't notice damage and death of parts of your body. The Pharisees felt no guilt or pain even when condemning Jesus to death after urging Barabbas be freed.


I really like this observation.

Avalanche wrote:@14The Good Samaritan did NOT bring the injured traveler home to his house and give him his own daughter to rape: he paid to put the injured man up IN A HOTEL until he could continue on his journey -- and GO AWAY!


Not just that, but the Samaritan was the stranger! How many pastors do you see teaching their immigrants to seek the welfare of their host country? None?

We are being beaten and robbed and our priestly class just walks on by and ignores us. I see no Samaritans on the road to help. The readers here are my neighbors.

Blogger CM November 22, 2017 11:44 PM  

Brad Matthews wrote:I am starting a group just like that where I live and so can you.

There used to be an active forum for the dread ilk, but I think its dead now. I think using a forum to organize locally would be a fascinating idea.

Blogger Rashadjin November 22, 2017 11:44 PM  

RE: @31 Lazarus

Yah, what Jesus will be about is made explicit. I even agree with you and Sidehill Dodger in that the time of the sword has come.

The trick here is that we're talking about what Sidehill Dodger should do and not what Jesus will do. Have your first loyalty be to God and pick up your cross? Swell, but each man carries his own cross and it's not your place to define it for them or conflate that cross with Jesus' actions on earth that are rightfully His and His alone.

Generally speaking, burning down your family is counterproductive. Sidehill Dodger's cross might just be a role as the anchor of truth for a family that does not agree with him and may not like or respect him for it. But again, it's not my place to say for sure. And again, it's for God to define Sidehill Dodger's cross to him in whatever way that happens.

Blogger Stephen November 22, 2017 11:59 PM  

It would be slightly more readable if the text did not overlap the image of the tower, 3 lines instead of 2.

Anonymous Wooly November 23, 2017 12:09 AM  

Drudge just showed me my new favorite band.

It's like rock and roll is back. And when you see them do this live, you're like, "Damn, I'm old."

So much aweseome, for such young performers. Astonishing. But it is my new favorite band.

I don't know why Drudge linked this, maybe he's a music lover, but I'm glad he did.

Band is called Greta Van Fleet. Astonishing vocals. Robert Plant vs. Geddy Lee c. 1974.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMLrVKZXdvE

Blogger Rashadjin November 23, 2017 12:11 AM  

@42 Stephen

Yeah, the idea is great. The layout is a swing and a miss.

I'd center and center-justify the body text at the top chest level, but keep the number of lines. The tower should be beneath the text so there's no overlap, possibly off center. There's room to play there. Like maybe even completely fade out the chunk of the tower where text overlaps so there isn't detail cluttering up the words. The tower could then be a much bigger element that really sells the idea of the tower of babel.

As is, it's a really off-balance design that doesn't use the available area well (assuming you don't have print area limitations with your shirt printing service).

Anonymous Wooly November 23, 2017 12:16 AM  

I actually cannot believe how good they are.

No, they're not Geddy, Alex, and Neil, but damn.

It's like they went back to 1974 and brought back this great rock and roll band.

When you see them perform, you're like, "Those are kids!"

Yeah. So were Plant and co. and Geddy and co., once.

Listen to this dude's voice. OMG.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit November 23, 2017 12:46 AM  

In other news, Rolf Nelson's latest book, is fantastic. Reading it back-to-back with John Ringo's The Last Centurion is neat...

Thanks again, Castalia Hous!

Anonymous Wooly November 23, 2017 1:08 AM  

I'm actually reading a single-volume Chronicles of Narnia right now. I haven't read these books since I was 12 or so. You get a lot more out of them when you're 46. I just finished Lion..., after reading The Magician's Nephew. I never read that prequel before, when I was a kid. Nor the rest of the series.

I got into Star Trek books and Niven's wonder, and Hubbard's pulp crap by then.

I think I like it. My next is The Horse and his Boy. I'm guessing I'll like it.

Sometimes it's neat when writers write their books out of order. McCaffrey did that with the glorious Pern series. I binge-read it all, and loved every minute. And I'm glad I found the series after it was properly re-ordered.

Blogger DonReynolds November 23, 2017 1:14 AM  

It appears that many people raise children the same way they train dogs. When they do something good, they get a reward. When they do something bad, they get punished. And so when they become adults, the world revolves around reward and punishment. Children who have no religious morality have no question, nor do dogs, about whether something is good or bad, right or wrong, they only need to keep up with the latest rules on rewards and punishments....which do change and often without warning or notice.

I have been convinced for a few decades that this is poor preparation for adulthood and it makes for crummy citizens, chasing rewards and avoiding punishments. As adults, we get adult choices.....which are often: do the wrong thing and make it easy on yourself (even get rewarded) or do the right thing and accept the consequences (including punishment). THIS is the adult choice we are frequently faced with.

The Saints in the Bible may be a more pure form of this human experience. Each one of them could have made life very easy and rewarding if only they would do the one wrong thing. Instead, they died horribly, a martyr's death, for doing the right thing instead. That is another reason why we should take inspiration from the Saints and do what we know is right.

The LIE is always "situational ethics". We cannot be sure what is right and what it wrong, because it depends and we are sure to be wrong if we decide for ourselves. It is not black and white. Nothing is absolute. Everything is relative. It just depends on how you feel and how close it is to payday or whether anyone will notice or whether you will be caught. All of which is baloney, an excuse to do wrong.

Anonymous Wooly November 23, 2017 1:15 AM  

BTW: Thanks, Vox, and thanks, Dread Ilk, for all that you do. Your place has been an anchor, and an education.

A great education.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 23, 2017 1:55 AM  

The "Church" is trying to be the head of the corner of that edifice.

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger November 23, 2017 3:25 AM  

Avalanche wrote:What? Because Christianity is NOT SUPPOSED TO HURT?!
I don't feel the need to defend myself, but I must correct this. If I have left the mistaken impression that any of this is about my pain, then I have failed to make myself clear. (Rashadjin has a clearer understanding of my station in life.) I am the grandfather, and therefore not the head of any households. This may be a problem with our culture, but I'm dealing with three separate families that have split off from mine, and which have different needs and frailties. Ah, if only I could be Abraham, and a proper patriarch! Still, I feel the responsibility for these children lie heavily upon me. I don't want to damage them. Perhaps that is a better and clearer word than "hurt". If I made decisions based on my "comfort", my life would be very different right now.

Anonymous Avalanche November 23, 2017 4:29 AM  

@51 "I don't want to damage them. Perhaps that is a better and clearer word than "hurt"."

It is indeed a better word. However, dissecting the threads of what is hurt and what is damage is hard and finicky work. Once you have educated yourself, so you can speak clearly and easily -- and with accurate/adequate references, then you can begin the task of awakening your family -- not in a group; but one-on-one. My dear husband used to call it "taming his feral female." (On my (later) dating/marrying advice list, I called it "rescuing women from the ravages of feminism, one woman at a time.")

But consider: how does working, over time, to help your family members come to the TRUTH in any way damage them? Hurt them? Sure: I remember sitting at the table and crying, because" "SURELY the jews weren't LIKE that?!" My husband kept wanting to 'back away,' to leave me uneducated because it WAS "hurting" me to learn the Truth.

Because I loved and trusted him, I kept telling him to continue educating me. I had rather know the Truth, to know what he knew, to be his actual partner in life, than have a blind painless life!

"whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge; thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God"

Blogger Wolfman at Large November 23, 2017 4:33 AM  

Churchianity did a lot of damage in my life and that's all I'm going to say on the matter,

Blogger Freddy November 23, 2017 5:00 AM  

The art of the deal was offered 25yrs plus. Rothchillies scum Bosch depicted

Blogger Freddy November 23, 2017 5:11 AM  

Da Boschemeister,

hieronymus bosch

Blogger Lazarus November 23, 2017 5:44 AM  

Sidehill Dodger wrote:Ah, if only I could be Abraham, and a proper patriarch!

If you will recall, Abraham's family was a bit of a strain at times as well, even though he was getting advise from the Highest Source.

Blogger Matthew Funk November 23, 2017 6:06 AM  

Expound a bit on why "Good Samaritanism" is disparaged. Anyone.

Blogger Felix Bellator November 23, 2017 6:36 AM  

@6 VD, "But it's not me, seriously. It's all of you guys."

Level Five all the way, thank you for all you do.

Blogger McChuck November 23, 2017 6:52 AM  

@51 Dodger - Have you considered that the fault lies not within your family, but with the pastors and deacons of your church? Have you confronted them with your fears and concerns? Have you sought an active role in the leadership of your beloved church?

Progress is made when a man gets sufficiently pissed off about a situation to do something about it. Are you sufficiently pissed off? Are you man enough to do something about it? Action is not for the timid, nor for the faint of heart. You simply may not be one of Gideon's chosen few.

Think and pray, and learn to harden your heart against heretics and traitors. Those who would destroy your nation bear you no good will, and are your enemies, whatever honeyed words they may speak.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 23, 2017 7:17 AM  

Regarding the Tower of Babel, and just in case anyone was in doubt as to the veracity of the charge.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 23, 2017 8:32 AM  

This is deep. The irony is that Jesus died so that He could be the head of His Body. His Lordship is in stark contrast to the humanistic monstrosity of Babel that wants to accomplish His end (ostensibly) while simultaneously ejecting Him. Satan and his "all seeing eye" is intended for the top of their structure.

Blogger liberranter November 23, 2017 12:10 PM  

The purpose of the Church is not to ensure that no one's feelings are hurt.

That by itself is t-shirt material.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit November 23, 2017 5:24 PM  

If you don't need vector graphics (I'm still learning) and you want an art file for your t-shirts with better layout of text & art I'd be happy to do the job. If I currently have a free time slot, I'll do it no charge.

Anonymous Didas Kalos November 23, 2017 11:41 PM  

Jesus died and was resurrected to reconcile all things to God. And that is shortly coming to pass.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 25, 2017 3:37 PM  

@Wooly
They sound like a talented Led Zeppelin tribute band. Problem is, Led Zeppelin sucked. Sounding like Led Zeppelin is not the measure of greatness.

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