ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2018 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Friday, November 17, 2017

Good luck with that

Ben Garrison's cartoon attempting to make the case for civic nationalism instead tends to demonstrate its utter hopelessness, and rather effectively makes the case against it.


The Alt-Right is correct and the Alt-Right is inevitable. You can no more instill an instinctive respect for the U.S. Constitution, the Common Law, and Anglo-American culture into immigrants, no matter how long they are resident in the USA, than you can instill Rohinga values into Americans during a visit to a refugee camp in Bangladesh.

Think about it. Do the Jews, the Italians, the Irish, or the Scandinavians value small government today, even after more than 100 years of residence in the USA? No. Not even a little bit. They have learned to speak English, but they have never learned to value limited government. They are not, they have not been, and they will never be Americans in the original sense of the term, which is simply another way of saying "British colonist".

Hence the references in the Declaration of Independence to "ties of consaguinity" and "British brethren" and "King George". The American revolutionaries were not declaring independence from Gustav II of Sweden, Emperor Joseph II of the Hapsburg Empire, or  Alvise Giovanni Mocenigo, the Doge of Venice.

The Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, and various and sundry other post-1965 immigrant groups aren't going to become Americans either. Not now, and not in 10 generations. They will NEVER accept or respect the historical Anglo-American values upon which the country was founded.

The point is that there is no "fractured America". It is the USA that is fractured into America and various flavors of Not-America dating back to the mid-1800s. It worked, for a while, because the American residents sufficiently outnumbered the Not-American residents while immigration was almost entirely shut down between 1920 and 1965. They don't outnumber them anymore, which is why the USA will never be synonymous with America again.

Labels: , ,

230 Comments:

1 – 200 of 230 Newer› Newest»
Blogger Harry Goldblatt MD November 17, 2017 8:07 AM  

I believe feudalism will be the future in the big European countries.

Blogger L' Aristokrato November 17, 2017 8:08 AM  

I don't want to crap all over Ben, but really, Cuckservatives are generally hopeless. Their unwillingness, if not inability to see reality, transcends even that of SJWs.

Blogger Nate November 17, 2017 8:08 AM  

yesterday on twitter a woman attempted to lecture me about Alabamans voting wrong in their own Alabama election.

and of course... the first word in her twitter bio was immigrant jew atheist.

I called her fake american and told her to go home.

Blogger Nate November 17, 2017 8:10 AM  

" They don't outnumber them anymore, which is why the USA will never be synonymous with America again."

oh never say never. its not like there haven't been epicly scaled enthic purges before. I do believe there is an example right there on the british isles

Blogger YIH November 17, 2017 8:12 AM  

I guess I'll have to check 8chan for the real one ;)

OpenID paworldandtimes November 17, 2017 8:13 AM  

"The unbreakable union of fraternal ..." -- rainbow colors. Reminds me of a song.

The fact that the 101 Airborne has been on full alert for decades lest someone objects to a black moving in next door is sufficient evidence for the fact that we don't want to be "united."

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. November 17, 2017 8:14 AM  

"Common Culture"

Wat.

Feelium seems to be nearly everyone's drug of choice these days. IT -- not religion -- is the opiate of the masses.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 17, 2017 8:18 AM  

CN boob bait for yokels while the cucks work for low taxes for the. 01% ,
Permanent war and the suppression of public Christianity

OpenID paworldandtimes November 17, 2017 8:19 AM  

"Common culture" is by necessity the lowest common denominator of groups in the set. Which in diverse America makes it of hiphop and shopping.

Blogger The Observer November 17, 2017 8:22 AM  

I believe feudalism will be the future in the big European countries.

Feudalism was better than what the cosmopolitan rootless managerial elite have planned for the plebeians.

At least your local Baron had duties and responsibilities to you, and vice versa. Not that it ensured that he abided by them, but everyone from the local priest to your neighbour across the river damn well knew that you were supposed to be able to take as much as you could carry on your back from his woods before sundown on this particular day for a service your grandfather did for his. Oh, and he didn't try to rob you of your sense of place in the world at large, or the people around you.

The globohomo elite don't even pretend to have a veneer of noblesse oblige.

Blogger JACIII November 17, 2017 8:29 AM  

paworldandtimes wrote:...

The fact that the 101 Airborne has been on full alert for decades lest someone objects to a black moving in next door is sufficient evidence for the fact that we don't want to be "united."


So often overlooked. Within the video footage of the 101st escorting blacks to white schools is also footage of them force-marching white kids to go to school with them.

Blogger Lazarus November 17, 2017 8:31 AM  

The Alt-Right is correct and the Alt-Right is inevitable.

The Paris Statement was published in October.
Multiculturalism is unworkable

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-16/europe-we-can-believe

https://thetrueeurope.eu/a-europe-we-can-believe-in/

Blogger Ben Cohen November 17, 2017 8:33 AM  

When will America breakup?

Anonymous Looking Glass November 17, 2017 8:37 AM  

I saw this the other day, I appreciate why many think that way, but there's no gluing this stuff together.


@4 Nate

No one living in the West has any idea how much work can get done in a very short amount of time with an animated, engaged bunch of Westerners. "Property by Conquest" works in most Men, at a fundamental level.

Anonymous Philipp November 17, 2017 8:41 AM  

It is posts like these why I read Vox Populi. Where else do you read such a precise, clear and correct analysis?

Blogger VD November 17, 2017 8:43 AM  

When will America breakup?

America will not break up. The USA will break up around 2033. As I have said repeatedly since 2004.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 17, 2017 8:43 AM  

The old joke goes, "How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb?" "Only one, but it takes a long time and the light bulb has to want to change."

Looking at that picture, one can only think of how many there don't want to change.

Blogger pyrrhus November 17, 2017 8:45 AM  

@1 Feudalism is a very stable institution, and manorial feudalism, with its rights and obligations, was a major factor in producing Western civilization. It will return at some point....

Blogger SciVo November 17, 2017 8:46 AM  

Ben Cohen wrote:When will America breakup?

As soon as our unmanageable debt gets priced as such. Then it will be a double-whammy of the people leaving that just came here for money, and the people that wanted to keep America for Americans all along going into a blind rage of "I told you so!!"

Anonymous Faceless November 17, 2017 8:47 AM  

@7

They are fools: The only thing that can give them the common culture is the common religion.

Blogger Nate November 17, 2017 8:48 AM  

"America will not break up. The USA will break up around 2033. As I have said repeatedly since 2004."

you're such a polyanna optimist.

Anonymous God Hates Cucks November 17, 2017 8:49 AM  

"And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay." -Daniel 2:41-43

Blogger Cecil Henry November 17, 2017 8:53 AM  

What a ridiculous picture.

Its shows the problem not the solution. America is not a multiethnic state.

Diversity IS the problem. Try pushing a picture like that in ANY non-White nation. Its a no go.


When the government targets a population by race, and then pledges all its resources to find anywhere there are “too many whites,” and openly goes after community, or county, or state, or country, that is WHITE GENOCIDE.

Anonymous Rocklea November 17, 2017 8:57 AM  

I was looking at all the various pieces in the picture and I came to the glue, it's funny what brain does sometimes, I saw Magic Glue. I thought what is Vox talking about, Ben gets it. Looked again and auto-correct MAGA.

They don't stop trying, the civic nationalists, they are very earnest and I do respect that.

Blogger Groggy November 17, 2017 9:02 AM  

INGREDIENTS:
CONSTITUTION


Sharia Law is as American as apple pie!

ENGLISH LANGUAGE

Spanish is as American as apple pie!

COMMON CULTURE

Africans, Chinese and Mexicans and are as American as apple pie!

The entire world is American as apple pie!

Everybody in the world is either an American or a soon-to-be American with American constitutional rights.

All people are citizens. It is just that some may temporarily be without their documentation. (Ooops!)

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 17, 2017 9:04 AM  

Having been indoctrinated into civic nationalism for 30 years I know how hard it is to reverse the brainwashing. If your career is dependent on it, good luck.

I used to be a pre-trib dispensationalist (Zionist Churchian) too. Thankfully God led me back to my manhood. Jesus instructed us to suffer with Him outside of the camp and embrace the World's hatred.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. November 17, 2017 9:13 AM  

The only thing that can give them the common culture is the common religion.

The dynamism of Identity is far more complicated than that. You're partially right, though: Blacks and Whites, for example, get along better here in the South than perhaps anywhere else in the world; the tie that binds being Christianity.

At any rate, the question is obviously begged: Whose common culture?

Feelium is a hell of a drug.

Blogger Groggy November 17, 2017 9:13 AM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Groggy November 17, 2017 9:18 AM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger horsewithnonick November 17, 2017 9:26 AM  

It's honestly hard to imagine things holding together for fifteen more years.

Anonymous TS November 17, 2017 9:27 AM  

Department of immigration should be renamed the department of balkanization.

Blogger Koanic November 17, 2017 9:28 AM  

Cartoon is accurate. Uncle Samael is playing grabass with sticky fingers while the USSA secedes.

Anonymous BBGKB November 17, 2017 9:28 AM  

USA, than you can instill Rohinga values into Americans during a visit to a refugee camp in Bangladesh

I am sure some -Americans would adapt to the moslem pattern of raping & killing if the consequences of doing it in White nations was removed.

OT: when you have black sports then the cost of paying for crime is a "NCAA classifies those as “actual and necessary” expenses on a trip like this"

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/will-pay-expenses-ucla-three-incurred-detained-china-213140984.html

Uncle Sam...It's time for a wise Latina to take his place. Say hello to Auntie Sanchia.

Wise is a relative term when talking about Latrinas, they prefer govt as a piñata

Blogger GithYankee November 17, 2017 9:29 AM  

The white pill is how obviously the maga glue solution fails.

The transition from boomer civnat to prowhite (sorry, pro-American) supporter seems like a slight nudge compared to flipping college educated cat-ladies into christian baby makers, for instance.

Blogger Student in Blue November 17, 2017 9:35 AM  

@horsewithnonick
It's honestly hard to imagine things holding together for fifteen more years.

The mental concept of regional differences has yet to really stick in the minds of most people, even though it's still true and correct. Only when the concept of "my region breaking out and being it's own sovereign country" starts sticking in a decent number of people's heads, will that sort of breakup occur. Otherwise, they'll just cling to the default position, that of the USA.

I believe Vox's 2033 estimation is due to fundamental economic factors finally failing, and THAT would essentially force people into abandoning that default position of USA because it stopped working.

Anonymous Dan November 17, 2017 9:36 AM  

If British blood was the answer, how could all those many, many Rotherhams occur?

When I think of how the British allowed that to occur, I feel like the British people have fallen further, faster, than any race in history. What occurred in Rotherham, the cooperation of the British authorities in the systematic rape of their own daughters by invaders, has got to be without precedent in world history.

Blogger Gastguma November 17, 2017 9:40 AM  

Why is it that many of the strongest red states have dominant white non-English ancestry? Many states in the western Midwest have a lot of German and Scandinavian ancestry, and yet are strongly Republican. Also, there seems to be a large divide between rural and urban, even in blue states. Several blue states are overwhelmingly red by county, but are overwhelmed by the population of one city. Even Minnesota, displays some of these characteristics. Ethnicity plays a role, but a least for white people, it seems something else is going on.

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2017 9:46 AM  

> When will America breakup?

When the federal government shuts down.

> ...the USA will break up around 2033. As I have said repeatedly since 2004.

It's a good working hypothesis.

> As soon as our unmanageable debt gets priced as such.

Yes. But there's no knowing exactly when that will be.

However, let's do some simply math for folks who haven't been through the process.

The federal government currently takes roughly $3.3T in revenues. That's been going up slightly, but not by all that much, around $0.2T/year or so.

Federal interest rates on a 10 year bond are currently 2.349%. That's low on a historical basis. It usually in the 3-5% range and in the 80's was up around 15%.

Take the federal revenues of your choice. Divide by the interest rate of your choice. For an example I'll take $4T and 4%. With those figures, the maximum debt load you can support is $100T, and it will take all of your revenue.

We'll never get to that point. At somewhere north of interest payments taking 50% of your revenue, things go exponential real fast as lenders start demanding high interest rates and borrowing actually increases to maintain required spending. So figure somewhere around $50T in debt is the point where things go haywire. We're almost halfway there and adding a minimum of 0.5T in debt/year. At this rate, we have 60 so years left.

Change the figures above as you see fit, It doesn't change things much. The children being born today will see the breakup of the US.

OpenID paworldandtimes November 17, 2017 9:51 AM  

Two things that made Rotherham possible: (1)demoralization and (2) same-ethnicity of ruling class as the people, at least by appearances.

1. Demoralization came by psychops from every direction, not in the least, as I hear it, the ubiquitous sight of zoophiliac English girls.

2. When your ruling elite and cops look and sound like you do, you don't go Red Dawn. You fall in line.

When you don't feel like you own your daughters and when you know that your "parent figures" (the state) will crush you, you disengage.

This was common in Communist countries. There were no Russian shitlords when NKVD agents grabbed a random screaming person off the street to meet arrest quota. Three years earlier, those same Russians charged Wehrmacht units unarmed and seventy years later, they stomp uppity muds.

Blogger Bobo #117 November 17, 2017 9:57 AM  

"If British blood was the answer, how could all those many, many Rotherhams occur?"

WW I & WW 2 slaughtered the best of British manhood.
It never recovered.

Anonymous Crew November 17, 2017 10:02 AM  

OT, but the latest Meme of a Rape of Democrats should be paired with a Cuck of Republicans!

OpenID paworldandtimes November 17, 2017 10:02 AM  

"WW I & WW 2 slaughtered the best of British manhood"

Those war-loss theories don't account for Scandinavian countries' current pacifism or EE countries' current boldness.

The consistent factor across the West is pro- vs anti-White ruling class. This also correlates with the Free World vs Iron Curtain split during the Cold War.

Blogger Nate November 17, 2017 10:03 AM  

" Ethnicity plays a role, but a least for white people, it seems something else is going on."

the Urban vs Rural divide is the biggest factor and has been for... well... forever.

there are rural counties in mississippi and alabama that are majority black and they still go red every election.

Blogger Koanic November 17, 2017 10:09 AM  

> there are rural counties in mississippi and alabama that are majority black and they still go red every election.

Which is why America gets two choices that are both Communist.

Blogger wreckage November 17, 2017 10:15 AM  

@40 Britain was just as bad before and between the wars as it is now. It's what the British do. Flop about like drunk, stoned fish out of water for decades then suddenly harden up and get stuff done, shine briefly, then back to flopping.

You can have immigrants and minorities provided you have a strong, singular Nation. Once the nation, and thereby the culture, is genuinely divided along racial OR religious lines, the only real question is who has power? Whose group rules?

Sound like current politics?

Anonymous Saul White November 17, 2017 10:15 AM  

"Think about it. Do the Jews, the Italians, the Irish, or the Scandinavians value small government today, even after more than 100 years of residence in the USA? No. Not even a little bit. They have learned to speak English, but they have never learned to value limited government. They are not, they have not been, and they will never be Americans in the original sense of the term, which is simply another way of saying "British colonist"."

LOL...Vox Day....Your killing me. Not only have you no evidence of any of this (talking out butt), but you can't even define what you mean by "small government" (rank amateur).

Leaders, of men and thought, are able to move beyond rhetoric. Vox Day, you are no leader.

Blogger Student in Blue November 17, 2017 10:18 AM  

Generally if you call out someone's initial position, YOU are the one who has to provide evidence, whether via datum or pointing out logical error.

Blogger Koanic November 17, 2017 10:21 AM  

Is (((Saul))) also among the prophets?

Blogger wreckage November 17, 2017 10:27 AM  

"Leaders, of men and thought, are able to move beyond rhetoric. Vox Day, you are no leader."

Leaders, of men and thought, lead. Saul old bean... you're not.

Shorter version:

He is who does.

Blogger DonReynolds November 17, 2017 10:28 AM  

I see that the head of the Eagle and the tail of the Eagle do not have labels, so I will propose labels for these two important parts, the parts that contribute more than any of the other parts to the division in this country.

The head of the Eagle should be labeled "Judges"....(not "Courts").....since they imagine themselves as doing the thinking for everyone else, regardless of what the Constitution says.

The tail of the Eagle could only be the "Media", which answers to no one and is the source of nearly all the crap and nonsense in this country. Without the sensation-driven Media, there would be no Antifa, no Occupy Anarchists, no BLM, no National Anthem protests, and no race riots. The Media is the prime driver of every bit of it and it would not be possible without the Media.

Blogger Lazarus November 17, 2017 10:29 AM  

James Dixon wrote:The federal government currently takes roughly $3.3T in revenues. That's been going up slightly, but not by all that much, around $0.2T/year or so.

Steve Keen argues that the critical figure is private debt rather than govt. debt, when predicting financial crises.

This is why his concept of "people's Q.E." is aimed at reducing private debt and turning debt-money into fiat-money.

Blogger Al November 17, 2017 10:35 AM  

I'm reminded of this priceless, devastating essay:

"An Open Letter to Cuckservatives," by Jared Taylor
https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/an-open-letter-to-cuckservatives/

White ethnomasochists, of either the avowedly liberal or pitifully cuckservative variety, should read this essay a thousand times. They need to read it often in order to overcome the burning lust clouding their minds; that is, their desperate desire to be eternally gang raped by Paco, Jamal, and Abdul as the ultimate form of virtue-signaling.

Incidentally, that essay above is now part of Jared Taylor's new book.

Blogger VD November 17, 2017 10:36 AM  

Leaders, of men and thought, are able to move beyond rhetoric. Vox Day, you are no leader.

You have to go back, (((Saul))). You're a Fake American at best.

Blogger tz November 17, 2017 10:38 AM  

I'm waiting for the 9 men doomed to die with their secret decoder rings from the land of Mordor where the emanations, penumbras, and rainbows lie, to find an absolute right to use Spanish or Urdu or whatever the Somali language is called on the same basis as the civil rights act (yes, you have to print the menu or sandwich board in a dozen or more languages). So "English Language" is likely to disappear.

That is the problem with the Constitution, the Immigrants, particularly (((some))) like the living document dead letter per-version. Many others - incuding a small percentage of those immigrants - want an originalist limited government and want to repeal the Wilson Amendments and End the Fed.

Every Civic Nationalist pays lip service to the constitution in something close to originalist form, but has given ZERO suggestions on how to win that back. The Alt-Right wants to raze the corrupt crony elite and subjugate those who don't want to obey the laws, although there is some debate as to what size govenrment, post revolution. But I'd rather have an originalist government under the alt-right than more of this big, intrusive, welfare state under the alt-lite that dithers and won't do what is needed to win.

Common Culture? Which one? - the original was a conservative, natural law, work and thrift, protestantism. Even Catholics were suspect and resented the success of their harder working and more thrifty neighbors, while the neighbors saw them as lazy and wasteful.

It can be done but here it is another severe matter. If the Mall of America and others in Minneapolis enforced culture - no Hajibs allowed, big, beautiful displays of Christmas (Trump insisting on Merry Christmas again!), and the rest, the refugees and immigrants would have to go home or form something like Chinatown in SF after the railroads were built. We would also have to end all federal welfare and return it to the churches.

No Civic Nationalist I know of has called for that depth of revolution - and some of it would need to be violent, or at least oppressive.

And more oppressive than almost anything I have heard from the alt-white.

Civic Nationalists are only half-cucked. But that may be worse as they sound more practical at times than #NeverTrump.

In Alabama, I noted wryly that Jones (Moores opponent) SHOULD be consided the greater evil because of his support of Abortion and PP, and the most radical LGBTQIA+ positions even if Moore was guilty of everything he was accused of, but there was a shift of narrative to make it not who is evil on the issues, but whether Moore lives up to angelic standards, while leaving Devil Democrat Doug alone. The latter wants to murder babies in the womb TODAY. Moore wants to stop the slaughter. But the cucked Churchians have lost their minds and souls.

JCWright noted the loss in Virginia, and laments the flying monkeys and Morlocks will be running things. But who let the monkeys and Morlocks in and gave them a "created equal" vote? They were not concealed in a Trojan Horse, they were welcomed with open arms. What was expected to happen?

Blogger Michael Neal November 17, 2017 10:38 AM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger VD November 17, 2017 10:39 AM  

Oh...OK. Whether one supports small govt isn't indication of their national status or their ability to be an American. Also, "Small Government" is a term of art. It means nothing unless defined.

"Talmud!", (((he))) talmuded, talmudically.

Please tell us more about the great Jewish cultural tradition of small government, free expression, and the right to bear arms. Specifically what documents can you cite to support your claim that any such thing exists?

Blogger VD November 17, 2017 10:40 AM  

Vox once told me that being notorious is more important than being right. He is mistaking "notorious" for simple minded.

Your comment was deleted for lying. I never told you any such thing. Also, I have never spoken to anyone named Saul White.

Lie about me again and you'll be banned and spammed.

Blogger Thot November 17, 2017 10:42 AM  

Im new to this community and have been wondering about your opinions about us mutts? I am part prairie nigger, part potato nigger, part haggistani, part limey, part butter cookie, and part kraut. Just curious.

Blogger tz November 17, 2017 10:42 AM  

Do the Jews, the Italians, the Irish, or the Scandinavians value small government today,
It took Hitler to show the Jews the value of smaller government and the 2nd Amendment. The problem is their reputation for being learned seems to be oversold.
The Mafia wants smaller Federal government as it competes with their 4GW institutions.

Put differently, they could adapt and thrive in the WASP hive, but given power, they will turn their areas into their home country's version of governance. Slowly. It would have taken 4 generations, but we stopped and replaced assimilation, even an imperfect one with civil virtue and the constitution, with diversity.

Blogger VD November 17, 2017 10:43 AM  

Im new to this community and have been wondering about your opinions about us mutts?

In other words, "What about me?"

I don't have an opinion about you. I don't know you and I don't care about you.

Blogger Bobo #117 November 17, 2017 10:50 AM  

@paworldandtimes

"Those war-loss theories don't account for Scandinavian countries' current pacifism or EE countries' current boldness."

One of the points being discussed is how the British are NOT like the Scandinavians, etc.

Do keep up.

Blogger tz November 17, 2017 10:52 AM  

@56 - God Gave the Jews a small government in the Torah, exercised in the Book of Judges. But Israel rejected the small government last Judge Samuel and demanded a King even though there would be oppression in the form of taxation and conscription and other things.

 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king."

The Torah says a King is a sign of wickedness and judgment. But Jews wanted one anyway, and still do.

The English in the Magna Charta rejected an all-powerful king, eventually modeling the 3 branches of government and the Jury system, which was made more perfect in the US Constitution.

But even simpler. What kind of culture and government does Isreal have? Do they have a fiat currency? The same freedoms and Constitutional rights and limited, non-intrusive government? Or are they as bad if not worse as than the most socialist European country?

Blogger DonReynolds November 17, 2017 10:53 AM  

Gastguma wrote:Why is it that many of the strongest red states have dominant white non-English ancestry? Many states in the western Midwest have a lot of German and Scandinavian ancestry, and yet are strongly Republican. Also, there seems to be a large divide between rural and urban, even in blue states. Several blue states are overwhelmingly red by county, but are overwhelmed by the population of one city. Even Minnesota, displays some of these characteristics. Ethnicity plays a role, but a least for white people, it seems something else is going on.

Your conclusion is incorrect. You are simply missing a historic cause WHY certain states vote Republican and why they happen to have German and Scandinavian populations. (That is certainly not true for the biggest of the German states....Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan.)

After the civil war, decades of Republican administrations gave the new German and Scandinavian immigrants LAND in what you call the western Mid-West....essentially what we know as the Wheat Belt in this country. Tons of immigrants settled the High Plains states from Kansas to the Dakotas to Idaho and they were mostly sodbusting farmers. A good many of them are still living on the LAND they were handed by the Federal government when they arrived and they have been forever loyal to the party that gave it to them.

Yes, it is really that simple. The German population in the USA is actually concentrated around the Great Lakes states but they do not dominate those states because there are so many others who are part of the pioneering Founding Stock. But in the Plains states, the German and Scandinavian populations are smaller but they have the states pretty much to themselves. In our electoral system, that turns out to be significant. (It does not matter how many live in each state, but it matters very much which people control the politics in each state.)

Blogger tz November 17, 2017 10:54 AM  

Mutts can run with the pack, but don't try to scream purebred privilege or you will find your trachea, carotids, and jugulars severed.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 17, 2017 10:56 AM  

Among many other incompatibilities, America 1.0 or even 2.0 is utterly immiscible with state-run "charity" (AKA welfarism.)

We now live in a place/time so far removed from the consensus of 150+ years ago that few can begin to even _imagine_ such conditions.

Can we first begin to imagine the events in our lives necessary to eviscerate support for political-system-run "charity?"

You can't get there from here, as long as there is a _plurality_ of people in North America who are incapable of taking care of themselves (i.e., living the life we take for granted absent vast amounts of wealth transfer _and top-down regimentation_.)

The bridge to the kind of polity/society our forefathers could have created alongside our technological marvels is built on either massive in-grouping, population "cleansing" and high walls or it's built of pyramids of skulls too high to climb.

Blogger Rashadjin November 17, 2017 10:58 AM  

@Lazarus

People keep saying that private debt is the crux, and I can't get past a few basics that say this is magical thinking. Public debt has to cascade at some point, because public debt runs welfare, much of the retirement system and employs ~15% of the labor force at the least.

Once the digital IOUs hit the point of obvious default, then one of the links in the supply-demand chain will collapse, either by suppliers or lenders taking the loss and dropping out of the game or consumers drowning in inflation.

The smart set suggests that a lot of background sleight-of-hand tricks have been going on to keep this economic game running in the US, and we're just about out of tricks.

The people who say only private debt matters don't seem to acknowledge the various tricks that have masked the decline going on.

I am not heartened by this picture.

Blogger DonReynolds November 17, 2017 11:07 AM  

Michael Neal wrote:The GOP will lose or come close to losing congress in 2018, the left will then go into full purge mode throughout America. Thats when we either decide to fight or surrender.

I agree. Donald Trump was never the cure for the division in this country. (There is no cure.) His election as president bought the country a little more time before the breakup.

When will that occur? Maybe you know....will the Left WAIT until they elect another Democrat Leftist to the White House or will they rebel against the Trump Administration? All it takes is a spark and it will sweep across this country like a prairie fire through a wheat field. Will the Leftists wait until Trump is no longer in office or not?

Anonymous fop November 17, 2017 11:12 AM  

Better cartoon: Uncle Sam building a wall with MAGA cement.

Ingredients: GTFO

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2017 11:13 AM  

> Steve Keen argues that the critical figure is private debt rather than govt. debt, when predicting financial crises.

He's probably correct most of the time. But even without excessive private debt, the US government is going to fail if current trends continue. Even a return to a balanced budget won't save it if interest rates go over 10%. We have to either pay off or repudiate the debt. I leave it to you as to which is more likely.

Blogger pyrrhus November 17, 2017 11:14 AM  

@45 No, what the British did when they got involved in WW1, WW2 and the Falklands was run for help from the US...They have been degenerating since the 1860s, after free trade eviscerated British agriculture and industry. Not that the Upper Classes cared...

Blogger Artisanal Toad November 17, 2017 11:16 AM  

VD wrote:When will America breakup?

America will not break up. The USA will break up around 2033. As I have said repeatedly since 2004.



I put the end of the 3rd generation at 2029, based on Paul's prophesy in Romans 1:18-32. When the USA's sin has reached its full measure God will act.

I think the endgame will be a small group of men who decide the time has come to burn it all to the ground. I also believe their actions will be what is described in the prophesy of Isaiah 3, they will take down the power grid. It could be accomplished by 30 men with no bloodshed.

Noteworthy is that the huge push to eliminate coal fired power plants in favor of natural gas is taking the power grid much closer to a single point of failure. Why? Because the natural gas is delivered by underground pipelines which cannot be guarded. And they're only about 10 feet deep.

Likewise, high-voltage transmission lines cannot be guarded and the ones coming from nuke and hydro plants can be cut by taking down a few towers here and there. As to the dry west, consider the aqueducts that supply the water. Same situation. Turn off the water to SoCal and Hollywood gets what it deserves. Come to think of it, that's exactly what the prophesy says. The wicked will get what they deserve.

If done at the beginning of winter, at least 200 million would die in the USA. No nukes or EMP needed, just a few men to decide that enough is enough. According to Isaiah 3, the supply and support of both food and water is cut off. Cutting the power breaks the supply chain (no food) and turns off the municipal water systems. No food and no water, but plenty of guns and ammo and people go crazy when the panic hits. Social collapse takes out the people who are capable of fixing the problem.

Interestingly, there is a good argument that the one thing that supported the growth and development of feminism was electricity. Lack of electricity will end feminism. And Isaiah 3 has quite a bit to say about the haughty, arrogant women who will be brought down.

The most interesting point of that prophesy is it says things will go well with the righteous, for they will eat the fruit of their actions. Fascinating how the preppers, survivalists and homesteaders tend to be white, conservative Christians.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 17, 2017 11:17 AM  

That Eagle, when glued together, is going to look more like a beast from Daniel 7 than a single nation.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 17, 2017 11:19 AM  

A lot of Americans are in Vox's circumstances but few have the ability to opt out. We've got multi-racial families to some degree or another.

It's like bastardy. Two or three generations ago it was rare. Now it is so common we've invented another term for it so we don't hurt anyone's feelings, single mother. In fact, the honorable state of wife, mother, and widow are lowered so they don't stand taller than, 'single mother'.

We might fracture hard but we've got too many mixed race families for it to be whites against everyone else. I don't know what's going to happen. Maybe we'll fracture, maybe we'll blend into something like Spain or Portugal. We're to European to wind up like India. We don't have the crazy hate to whip out the machetes against our neighbors like Africa. And we don't have the sharp enough differences to wind up like the Balkans.

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2017 11:22 AM  

> I don't know what's going to happen.

No one does. But we do know the outcome. The same as always in history, homogeneous nations.

Anonymous Saul White November 17, 2017 11:25 AM  

"Oh...OK. Whether one supports small govt isn't indication of their national status or their ability to be an American. Also, "Small Government" is a term of art. It means nothing unless defined.

"Talmud!", (((he))) talmuded, talmudically."

Just as I said, Vox Day can't define "small government". Vox, I've been right about your every single time. Why not give us a definition? Can't do it can you?

Vox Day and his lack of theoretical foundation is the primary reason the Alt Right can't get any traction anywhere in America. At some point people ask, "Well, what do you mean?" And they can't tell you want they mean. Vox Day swallows tag lines then spits them out.

What's "Small government", Vox?? LOL

For Christ's sake, offer some substance, boy.

Blogger DonReynolds November 17, 2017 11:26 AM  

@65 dc.sunsets
"We now live in a place/time so far removed from the consensus of 150+ years ago that few can begin to even _imagine_ such conditions."

You need not reach back 150 years. I can not only imagine it, but I can remember the time in this country before the massive welfare system was created. Yes, Social Security was created for old age pension and there were housing acts dating from the same 1933 era, but the really massive welfare system components did not take off until AFTER I graduated from high school. I am talking about Food Stamps, SSI, AFDC, Section 8, Medicare, Medicaid, Prescription Drug Benefit....all of the huge public expenditures that all the politicos say are untouchable did not even exist as recently as 50 years ago.

Young people today probably cannot imagine a world without Medicare and Medicaid and SNAP/EBT and Section 8, since they were raised on these programs. But there are people living who can remember when they did not exist and certainly not as massive parts of the Federal budget.

Blogger pyrrhus November 17, 2017 11:29 AM  

> Steve Keen argues that the critical figure is private debt rather than govt. debt, when predicting financial crises.

He's probably correct most of the time. But even without excessive private debt, the US government is going to fail if current trends continue. Even a return to a balanced budget won't save it if interest rates go over 10%. We have to either pay off or repudiate the debt. I leave it to you as to which is more likely.

The US Federal Govt has about 30 trillion in bonds outstanding, including Federal agencies, and the present value of unfunded outstanding promises is at least 220 trillion. The Blue States are in a similar condition.....On top of all that are trillions in unfunded pension and retiree health care obligations. Current projections show welfare and medical care programs eating the entire Federal budget within 15 years....
Perhaps Keen doesn't know all that, but he is seriously wrong...

Blogger pyrrhus November 17, 2017 11:33 AM  

@77 Apparently you can't distinguish the word "culture", which in America was the culture of English and Scottish settlers, from the word "idea" so beloved by Jewish propagandists....

Anonymous JC NRA November 17, 2017 11:40 AM  

@58, re: Mutts

I've asked a similar question before, on behalf of my mutt kids - and some of the Elder Ilk gave sound advice: pick your tribe NOW, and work so they adopt you.

Then best case is you're a mutt, but "their" mutt. But don't ever be arrogant enough to think you're actually part of the tribe, you've just been adopted by the tribe. Act accordingly.

Blogger Bobo #117 November 17, 2017 11:41 AM  

Saul, why wait for Vox? Define away, slugger
Quit stalling

Blogger Doom November 17, 2017 11:48 AM  

tz,

You answered your own question? I see things oddly, might even have reading comp problems. I mean many of those who would truly like to revert to true constitutional ways understand exactly the price, the brutality it would take, and the human costs until achieved. It would require women back at home, nearly owned by kin until handed over to husband, with no vote or divorce claims... wouldn't keep the kids either. There would be segregation, of all species, and only one legal languge. Non-taxpayers wouldn't vote,only landowners would pay taxes. Etceteras.

It is possible, technically. But America would become poorer and surrender much of her vaunted international power. I... like that. Not my call. I am pretty sure all those America-hating elites would absolutely refuse to give up a drop of 'our power'.

Blogger Koanic November 17, 2017 11:50 AM  

> they will take down the power grid. It could be accomplished by 30 men

Somehow I doubt turning off the Internet is a winning move for Team Truth.

Gutenberg didn't defeat the Catholic Church by burning the presses.

Blogger Desdichado November 17, 2017 11:51 AM  

tz wrote:@56 - God Gave the Jews a small government in the Torah, exercised in the Book of Judges. But Israel rejected the small government last Judge Samuel and demanded a King even though there would be oppression in the form of taxation and conscription and other things.
[...]
The Torah says a King is a sign of wickedness and judgment. But Jews wanted one anyway, and still do.

The English in the Magna Charta rejected an all-powerful king, eventually modeling the 3 branches of government and the Jury system, which was made more perfect in the US Constitution.

Yet another way in which "The last shall be first and the first shall be last" comes true.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 17, 2017 11:51 AM  

It's time for a wise Latina to take his place. Say hello to Auntie Sanchia.

No, say hello to Santa Muerte. That's who the "Conservative Catholics" invading from the south will install.

Blogger VD November 17, 2017 11:55 AM  

Saul, why wait for Vox? Define away, slugger

He doubled down. I spammed him. Wormtongues like him are easy to spot.

Blogger Nate November 17, 2017 11:57 AM  

"Somehow I doubt turning off the Internet is a winning move for Team Truth."

exactly. but that is the kind of idiotic self-emulating idea alt-retard comes up with.

Blogger DonReynolds November 17, 2017 11:57 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:@1 Feudalism is a very stable institution, and manorial feudalism, with its rights and obligations, was a major factor in producing Western civilization. It will return at some point....

Feudalism is the political adaptation to Rural Life. It is based on private land ownership and the fact that people enjoy eating so much that they will work so they can eat. It is also based on the fact that whatever skills people have, the only ones that matter is their physical and mental ability to work the land and produce food.

The major cities are untenable, indefensible, and completely dependent on the rural hinterland for water, energy, and food. When the cities are abandoned almost completely, consistent with the Sjoberg 800 year cycle, then we will see another 500 years of feudalism. This will be followed again by 300 years of rapid urbanization as the cities are rebuilt again. We have been through this cycle several times in the past 2,000 years. The present period of rapid urbanization started about 1750, so we are about to the end of the cycle.

Blogger Desdichado November 17, 2017 11:58 AM  

Nate wrote:" Ethnicity plays a role, but a least for white people, it seems something else is going on."

the Urban vs Rural divide is the biggest factor and has been for... well... forever.

there are rural counties in mississippi and alabama that are majority black and they still go red every election.

Since forever is right. There's a credible interpretation that the difference between the kingdoms of Israel and Judah had much less to do with which tribe you were in and much more to do with whether you were an urban Hebrew or a rural one. Guess who was the (((urban component))) even back then?

This raises some tantalizing possibilities when combined with ideas like the Lost Tribes dispersing into the "land northward" as some Apocryphal sources suggest, or with concepts like British Israelism.

Anonymous Harriet November 17, 2017 12:02 PM  

"Saul, why wait for Vox? Define away, slugger

He doubled down. I spammed him. Wormtongues like him are easy to spot."

I was really hoping you wouldn't Turn, Run & Squat, Vox. Well, at least your bubble remains intact.

Blogger Desdichado November 17, 2017 12:05 PM  

Thot wrote:Im new to this community and have been wondering about your opinions about us mutts? I am part prairie nigger, part potato nigger, part haggistani, part limey, part butter cookie, and part kraut. Just curious.
What the devil is a butter cookie?

Otherwise; that's not "muttish"—that's pretty much how the American ethnicity formed; a primarily English and Scottish population that was leavened with some Huguenots and Irish and especially Low Germans, with a bit of the natives mixed in as well. That's what an American is.

Note that the later influx of southern Italians, Jews, Irish, Slavs and especially MENAs, Africans, Orientals and especially the various tribes of wetbacks have NOTHING whatsoever to do with that, and are much more recent squatters. They are the primary population that will have to go back, unless they've managed to intermarry and acculturate enough that they will be likely allowed to stay. And in some cases, they have. But in many more cases, they have not.

Blogger Student in Blue November 17, 2017 12:09 PM  

@Desdichado

I'm 99.99% sure that post was not serious. 'Thot' is a relatively new meme-term, after all.

Blogger WynnLloyd November 17, 2017 12:12 PM  

He is among the Pharisees, most likely.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 17, 2017 12:12 PM  

Well, Raphie's Old Man did have to try and glue the lamp back together once before he realized it was hopeless, and best to just quietly bury the thing out behind the garage.

The only thing holding back collapse is that people don't yet see a better alternative to the current system that enough of them can believe in. But there are two ways to get to where something else is the "better" solution - actually find something better, or let things deteriorate enough that one of the current, unpleasant, options is suddenly better.

"You have to go back" is currently the "better" that involves the least amount of bloodshed. Trump was a signal that alternative has some support among the people, but Congress is a signal it doesn't yet within the system.

Anonymous A-pauling behavior November 17, 2017 12:21 PM  

What did Saul have to say?

You think I am some Saul plant -- I don't care.

I see angry defensive responses from VD. Historically, this indicates that Saul hit upon the truth and VD over-reacted.

I would like to know what it was.

Blogger Thot November 17, 2017 12:22 PM  

@VD Lol I'm not looking for personal validation from you. I respect the work you are doing but I don't have any sort of personal relationship with you so have no interest in your concern on my character or if you "care about me". I was looking for some clarification or further explanation of the classification, you gave some examples in your post, on who you and/or this community would classify as American. Us "mutts" was including people of mixed heritage, like yourself.

Seriously though. Have you had that many people looking for personal validation from you that my question registered as someone wanting a pat on the head? Or was it the the way I worded it?

Anonymous UF November 17, 2017 12:28 PM  

Like clockwork, VD makes a particularly important post...and the drooling idiot shills show up to attack Vox and try to draw attention from the topic at hand. Soros isn't sending his best.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. November 17, 2017 12:29 PM  

There is no "Common Culture" available to glue this particular Humpty Dumpty back together again.

Any argument the CivNat (or otherwise) can present that there is, either reduces to absurdity; or, renders absurd any exemplar that the CivNat (or otherwise) might present as soon as one recognizes that the aliens have absolutely no intent on altering their Identity for a horseshit proposition that they have less than no connection to.

This all sets aside the fact that Identity, itself, is dynamic. Inorganically diversify an already complicated dynamism and witness Man's inhumanity to Man.

Anonymous patrick kelly November 17, 2017 12:30 PM  

"Thot wrote:Im new to this community and have been wondering about your opinions about us mutts? I am part prairie nigger, part potato nigger, part haggistani, part limey, part butter cookie, and part kraut. Just curious."

Pick your tribe forsaking all others and try not to piss them off. You're mostly white, I suggest that would work best for you. I'm in a similar boat, the skin of me and all my kin defines a very white uniform, but I have other loyalties than run deeper. No easy choices.

Blogger Demonic Professor El November 17, 2017 12:31 PM  

The Great Lakes and Midwest were largely settled by British stock, and Germans and Eastern Europeans mixed in with them slowly. Combination of property rights and the cherishing of those rights. The Germans that settled and mixed with the British settlers were a bit of different stock than the current Germans.

The EE that settled in the Midwest also came from similar fighting stock and had similar concepts to the English regarding common law and property.

They were largely assimilated while the major urban areas (Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Detroit) had far less assimilation.

I'm no propositionalist, but there is a difference between assimilation (mix with Anglo-Brits, conform to their society) and outright colonization.

There's also the landless Southern (British) peasants who left the American South for the West who valued land and property.

That's why the "German dominant" Midwest/West is Red - not because they're German, but because the Germans mixed with the Brit-Americans and assimilated. Plus, it took generations, not a bunch of Germans plopping down and becoming Americans because dirt and paper.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 17, 2017 12:32 PM  

Or was it the the way I worded it?

"What about MEEEEEEEEEEE?" should clue you in. If it doesn't, let me help.

Your question is ambiguous. What is the real question you are asking?

a) "I'm a mutt and your classification of groups leaves me out. Can you change your theory so I don't have to feel left out? Or, if not, can you at least tell me you're sorry for leaving me out?"

or

b) "I'm a mutt, so I don't fit into this. Is there anything I can do to make it better for myself?"

If you're not clear, we assume it's A. Because it's usually A.

Blogger WynnLloyd November 17, 2017 12:36 PM  

When it comes to "white ethnics," it's true that they tend to recreate their original conditions, given the influence of genes on culture and the surprisingly long lifespan of cultural traits.
Yet I very much doubt that they will not be included in the mainstream after the conflict goes hot (I'm not affecting VD said that they would- this is merely a thought the article brought to mind). We're part-way through the development of our "American ethnicity," which won't ever completely erase these divisions, but will make it difficult if for whites to separate from one another based on ethnicity alone. I would even think some nonwhites could become part of this mix, though likely not enough to change the overall national character. Maybe not, though.
When you look at the most powerful form of assimilation, which is a fusing of gene pools, it seems those happen when one group is powerful enough to impose on another, like in Norman England or colonial Mexico, or where the two groups have similar collective smv.
The first thing you think when you hear the words "Czech girl" isn't exactly undesirable, even if girls of Czech ancestry in America are as fat as many other women. There's a balance there. Enough Czech girls are with Anglo guys and vice-versa, for fusion to take place over a long period of time. Of course it doesn't seem like that would be guaranteed, but it certainly greases the wheels.
Could that be the biggest problem with the other races? Their smv in America is always lopsided, regardless of what race they are. Asian women have no problems dating whites, while Asian men often struggle (not always should go without saying, but you know). Similarly black males can race-mix at a rate much greater than black females, who seem to be out of luck at the moment. That's a recipe for massive discontent and conflict. Something that white ethnicities (I am not considering Jews as white) don't have to deal with.

All of that could be naivety on my part, though. I don't claim any authority on this. This is just a thought.

Blogger VD November 17, 2017 12:43 PM  

Seriously though. Have you had that many people looking for personal validation from you that my question registered as someone wanting a pat on the head? Or was it the the way I worded it?

Every single time anything about the coming ethnic conflict is posted, we hear from those who are a) mixed-race, b) in a mixed-race marriage, c) have adopted children of a different race.

And their primary concern is to demonstrate how deep their devotion to America is by worrying "what about meeeeeeee?"

It is a stupid question to which no one can possibly know the answer.

Blogger Demonic Professor El November 17, 2017 12:49 PM  

@100 VD

'And their primary concern is to demonstrate how deep their devotion to America is by worrying "what about meeeeeeee?"'

So, they're Americans for the paycheck.

Mercenaries have a sketchy history of loyalty.

A: Are they passing? B: Gun-toting Red staters or effete urbanites? C: Virtue signalling much?

I know a possible answer: Venezuela.

(A little tongue in cheek there...)

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 1:16 PM  

Its fake Americans, all the way down (sort of like turtles). You want a good demonstration of the obvious? Look at any whites who have adopted other races, the most obvious cases are whites who have adopted blacks. The divergence in behavioral norms at the biological level is blatant. And frankly it causes a lot of issue barbecue now the blacks kids are constantly in environments where they are expected to adhere to white social and behavioral norms.
In a sense the left is right when they claim there is a problem with this, there is. Whether its time preference trust, nepotism, impulse control, etc. you are asking for trouble There are multiple first had examples in my community and social circles which tend to be higher income higher education whitetopia. Yes the 2+ SD rarities exist and are able to "fit in" but they are simply just that, rarities.

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 1:19 PM  

"what about meeeeeeee?"

I think that has already been answered by a famous US president.

Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.'

Blogger Koanic November 17, 2017 1:22 PM  

Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what your countrymen will do to you.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 17, 2017 1:23 PM  

Jews were given a tradition of bearing arms by the Maccabees first, and later by the freedom fighters who began Israel. They've done their best to throw it on the garbage over and over.

Blogger Artisanal Toad November 17, 2017 1:25 PM  

Nate wrote:"Somehow I doubt turning off the Internet is a winning move for Team Truth."

exactly. but that is the kind of idiotic self-emulating idea alt-retard comes up with.


Actually Nate, all you have to do is look at the content of this thread to understand why it's inevitable that sooner or later someone will decide the time has come to burn it to the ground and start over, because there is no other solution.

There is a huge difference between what needs to be done and what can be done given the current culture and political landscape. The debt and derivatives, welfare, immigrant invasion, feminism and the corruption of virtually every civic institution... the degenerate culture has this baked into the cake and now we're seeing evidence of the pedophilia and corruption at the highest levels.

Nate, you're a smart guy, so lay out a politically viable solution to this mess that can actually be accomplished without miracles.

Sure, if we repealed the 19th Amendment things would get better but it would take a generation. Think that's going to happen? What about throwing out 40 million invaders? It not only won't happen, it can't happen because they get to vote. Dismantle the welfare system? That's laughable. Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid? Untouchable. Feminism and equalism? That's baked into the cake.

Even if you come up with something... anything... you're faced with an inescapable problem:

Massively complex systems with single points of failure will eventually fail either by accident or by intention. The power grid is the single point of failure that will take down everything because the supply chain is completely dependent on the power grid.

Sooner or later there will be a large enough recognition that the system cannot fix itself and people will start looking for alternative solutions. Because the system itself is the problem. How does one eliminate the system that cannot be fixed? Turn out the lights and allow the problem people to eliminate themselves.

Call it whatever you want, it's inevitable.

Blogger Unknown November 17, 2017 1:35 PM  

Italians would like to have a smaller government even in Italy...

Blogger Koanic November 17, 2017 1:36 PM  

Whilst we work our way towards a muddling solution, bear in mind our descendants will curse our shortsighted failure to prepare for the absolute tyranny of quantum AI.

But only in their pre-jack thoughts.

Blogger Desdichado November 17, 2017 1:36 PM  

Artisanal Toad wrote:There is a huge difference between what needs to be done and what can be done given the current culture and political landscape. The debt and derivatives, welfare, immigrant invasion, feminism and the corruption of virtually every civic institution... the degenerate culture has this baked into the cake and now we're seeing evidence of the pedophilia and corruption at the highest levels.
It's short-sighted to look at the present and think that none of the major assumptions that make up your model for predicting the future can ever change. This is why so many people are always surprised and caught off guard by massive social and political change; because it is inconceivable to them that their foundational static assumptions might actually be variables.

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 1:36 PM  

The blowback from the establishments failed attack on Moore begins:

https://twitter.com/AJA_Cortes/status/931589454371811328

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 17, 2017 1:38 PM  

@93
Vox can't answer that question for you because it's going to depend on a lot of factors. If what Vox predicts comes to pass you might have parts of the country where you have a mix of different ethnic groups that get along relatively well. You might have parts where everyone is the same ethnic group but they start infighting for some other reason or another (thinking Troubles style between the Irish.) Fact is, if you think what Vox says will happen, then all you can do is be part of community, work on self reliance, and try to avoid obvious areas that might become dangerous.

I'm in a somewhat similar situation as you, mixed race marriage, and where I live in the country, and look at the people who populate it, I am not altogether worried about it. Also, if someone does come knocking down your door to expel you then you really only have two options; submit or fight.

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 1:42 PM  

108. Desdichado

Toad is saying exactly that. The debt ponzi wont go on forever, the cold invasion of the west wont go on forever. AT some point the ponzi implodes, the invasion goes hot. The details of the phase charge are anyone's guess. But that change is guaranteed.

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 1:44 PM  

@110, @93

The nature of the race mixing also matters if you are honest about it. Black/ white is going to be a very different situation than white / asian and a spectrum in between

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 17, 2017 1:48 PM  

E's not dead, e's resting! Beautiful plumage, ain't it?

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 17, 2017 1:57 PM  

I'm a good chunk Anglo , some parts a couple of generations of the boat, other Founding Stock of some importance (tm) an amateur historian and I don't have an instinctive respect for the Constitution I don't even think the Common Law or Anglo American Tradition will particularly work in todays world even with mass deportations

If you don't have someone like me, you can't have civic nationalism period.

OpenID paworldandtimes November 17, 2017 1:57 PM  

Much of the "what about me" angst can be alleviated by accepting that one's mixed descendants should seek acceptance in the community from which his parent of the lesser-race came.

(If you don't like "lesser-race", then go with "lower-IQ," "less adapted to modern society", "darker skin", "uglier women", or what will you.)

Blogger Desdichado November 17, 2017 1:57 PM  

Grayman wrote:The blowback from the establishments failed attack on Moore begins:

https://twitter.com/AJA_Cortes/status/931589454371811328

Interesting. Senator Bob Taft was one of his indiscretions?

Toad is saying exactly that. The debt ponzi wont go on forever, the cold invasion of the west wont go on forever. AT some point the ponzi implodes, the invasion goes hot. The details of the phase charge are anyone's guess. But that change is guaranteed.

He's also saying that there's no way out of any of our problems because there's no political will to do what needs to be done. My point is, that can change almost literally overnight.

Anonymous BBGKB November 17, 2017 2:00 PM  

"Somehow I doubt turning off the Internet is a winning move for Team Truth."

If the power grid goes down for an extended period of time you are looking at 80-90% die off in the US, and everyone that depends on the US for food/AID. Only the K selected will survive. The idiots who pay $90,000 a year for leasing inflatable boats to escape Nigapocalypse NYC will be in for a surprise.


related:South Carolina Nigcunts turn down trip to WHITE HOUSE.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/south-carolina-womens-basketball-team-declines-invitation-white-house-062322771.html

What about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Check out "Big Gay Steve's Beginners Guide to Surviving the Nigapocalypse"

Blogger Smokey Dust November 17, 2017 2:01 PM  

Indeed, when I first heard Vox say 2033 I thought no way will that ever happen. Now I wonder how the US will make it another 15 years.

Blogger Demonic Professor El November 17, 2017 2:07 PM  

@118 Smokey Dust

2033 is quite optimistic, but history shows things move slowly until they explode.

I would say 2020s if the Left's recent actions are to go by, what with assassination attempts (one success) and mass murders being their thing now.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 17, 2017 2:09 PM  

Artisanal Toad - since Trump announced his candidacy back around July of 2015, momentum has been building on our side. You see it everywhere if you look at what's actually happening instead of listening to what the media tells you.

There's clear cause for optimism and staying on the offensive. Right now Hollywood and the media are going down in flames. They tried to drag Roy Moore down with them, but instead they snagged Al Franken. And this is only what's happened in the last few weeks. We're just getting started.

Anonymous Magna Carta November 17, 2017 2:14 PM  

A nation is defined as “a large aggregate of people united by COMMON DESCENT, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.”
Oxford dictionary: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nation

What part of "common descent" don't civic nationalists get?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd November 17, 2017 2:29 PM  

Thot wrote:Seriously though. Have you had that many people looking for personal validation from you that my question registered as someone wanting a pat on the head? Or was it the the way I worded it?

Yes, every post like this gets whiners whining ``What about mmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!1!''

If yours was a serious question, the serious answer is to either become part of the majority where you are, or move to where you are part of the majority. Can't figure out either option? Tough.

I have followed my own advice.

Anonymous The Millennial Falcon November 17, 2017 2:31 PM  

@112

I think it depends a lot on how involved the extended families are.

My wife is half-Chinese, half-Mexican. Her parents have no contact with their extended families - the Marines replaced all their old ties. Both of their daughters ended up with white guys.

One of my old employees is half-black, half-white. She married a half Mexican, 1/4 white, 1/4 Chinese guy. Again - extended family less of a factor than missionary colleagues.

Racial/ethnic/cultural pressure mostly originates from family. If the families of origin are out of the picture, not that many stress points.

The big challenge with white/black assimilation is how powerful black identity is as a cultural and media force. Look at Jordan Peele, the guy who made Get Out. Black dad totally out of the picture. Raised by white mom in Manhattan. Went to Sarah Lawrence (with a white Jewish lesbian roommate). Totally "white" interests - majored in puppetry(!), married white girl, obsessed over movies like Stepford Wives and Rosemary's Baby growing up. Doesn't matter - still defines everything he does in terms of black identity, just as Obama does.

Blogger Smokey Dust November 17, 2017 2:34 PM  

the oddest thing to me is the amount Of people who believe the majority of foreigners are here for anything other than $. In my experience it is neither to conquer or to become American, just the cash.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see

Blogger Thucydides November 17, 2017 2:34 PM  

Poor Alinskey. He thought it would only require killing @ 20 million Americans to achieve and cement his "revolution". Looks like we may be seeing numbers that would make Mao blanch, or Pol Pot think the depopulated countryside of Cambodia was teeming with people. And that is regardless of which side ultimately wins.......

Blogger VFM #7634 November 17, 2017 2:41 PM  

If British blood was the answer, how could all those many, many Rotherhams occur?

@36 Dan
Because in the UK, the Brits abandoned Christianity for retarded secular humanitarian universalism. New England Yankees are the same way. Your British stock has to be Christian, or else it gets dumb Utopian ideas that lead to disaster.

That's why the "German dominant" Midwest/West is Red - not because they're German, but because the Germans mixed with the Brit-Americans and assimilated. Plus, it took generations, not a bunch of Germans plopping down and becoming Americans because dirt and paper.

@97 Demonic Professor El
Plus, the LEAST British part of the Midwest is... Minnesota.

Blogger Artisanal Toad November 17, 2017 2:42 PM  

@108

Yes, you are correct. The population will be surprised and caught off guard when the lights go out and the supply chain breaks. It will be inconceivable to them that their foundational static assumption of a functioning power grid, stocked supermarkets and running water turns out to be a variable.

Sooner or later someone will make the decision to destroy the village in order to save the village.

@116

"He's also saying that there's no way out of any of our problems because there's no political will to do what needs to be done. My point is, that can change almost literally overnight."

What kind of cusp event would it take to change things overnight... or even within a year?

The problems I mentioned (which were only the tip of the iceberg) are multiple, dependent and pandemic. They cannot be solved piecemeal, they must be solved together.

Pearl Harbor was a cusp event. 9/11 was a cusp event. Both of these made a major change to the psyche of the nation and what was politically unthinkable prior to those events became a fait accompli.

Care to speculate on what kind of cusp event would be required to end the immigrant invasion and throw the invaders out, rescind women's privilege of voting, end feminism, terminate welfare and eliminate the debt ponzi scheme that supports all that?


@117

"If the power grid goes down for an extended period of time you are looking at 80-90% die off in the US, and everyone that depends on the US for food/AID."

72 hours will see the cities burning. Remember the EBT card "failure" a couple of years ago? That went to near riot conditions in a few places in only 12 hours. Walmart started shuttering stores.

No power means no fuel because the pumps don't work, so the trucks stop and the stores don't get resupplied. No power means water doesn't get pumped into the water towers... and what's there gets used quickly fighting the fires. And people might be alright with no power and no food, but when they turn on the tap and nothing comes out the panic hits.

Now think about the backup power to the server farms and cell phone towers that will allow people to use social media and send messages after the power is out. Everyone will quickly know the outage is *everywhere* and help is definitely not on the way.

How many hours will it take before the cops throw in the towel and decide to protect themselves and theirs? At that point it's game over and the supply chain is completely broken. Once that Humpty Dumpty is broken, all the kings horses and all the kings men won't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.


@120

"There's clear cause for optimism and staying on the offensive."

I agree, there is a major ongoing shift from politics of ideology to identity, but that is the final piece of the puzzle in terms of how things will get sorted out. Civic nationalism is dead and when the shooting starts it will be about identity just as much as it is about resources.

History tells us that wars involving different races quickly turn into racially genocidal wars.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 17, 2017 2:46 PM  

OT: Looks like the groid flow into Europe may get choked off... by Libyans selling them into slavery:

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Migrants-Sold-into-Slavery-in-Libya-for-as-Little-as-400-20171115-0005.html

I must say, my heart bleeds.

Anonymous BBGKB November 17, 2017 2:49 PM  

Lets encourage leftists to play the "TRUST GAME"

"An Australian diplomat died after he plummeted from a Manhattan building during a game of trust, police said...Simpson and a number of other people were on the roof of the building to look at the Empire State Building, which was lit up in rainbow colors in recognition of a survey that found most Australians support marriage equality"

Will have to make sure I don't wear the rainbow feather boa with paracord strands treaded into it.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Diplomat-Julien-Simpson-Dies-Trust-Fall-Game-457767763.html

Blogger Demonic Professor El November 17, 2017 2:50 PM  

@126

Double that on Minnesota, who've recently turned themselves into California.

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 2:51 PM  

@118 @119

If you like Armstrong he calls for 2032.

More to the point it wont be one defined point in time from our perspective. Look at the roman empire, while today we can point at the rise of one emperor or the fall of another or some other single event, for the people of the day that was not the experience.
For the people of the day the experience was "boiling frog" event. There may be small sudden changes and even large sudden changes in some places, but the more common experience for most people in the empire was a slow slog of the waning power of Rome. Even if it wasn't Rome collecting the taxes, someone else was. The secret to concrete being lost for 1,000 years wasnt obvious or relevant to the contemporary people of the roman empire.

As such even if 2032 or 2033 is the date that historians will see as THE big event 200 or 2,000 years from now, we, the contemporary people wont be able to see it as such it will just be a degree or 2 more chaotic or more violent or whatever, than it was the day before. Contemporary people are to close to the event to recognize the key points. Its no different than standing so close to a screen all you see are pixels that dont have any apparent significance, while zoomed out, distanced from the screen, you have a high resolution image before you.

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 2:58 PM  

@125 Thucydides

20 million, try 100 million + when you include the disease and famine follow on effects!

Don't forget falling solar input and a 2030 grand solar minimum mean things are likely to be noticeably colder and more importantly crop yields lower.... i.e. food more expensive and heating costs higher all while economies become more fragile and continue to decay.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 17, 2017 2:58 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:You need not reach back 150 years. I can not only imagine it, but I can remember the time in this country before the massive welfare system was created. Yes, Social Security was created for old age pension and there were housing acts dating from the same 1933 era, but the really massive welfare system components did not take off until AFTER I graduated from high school. I am talking about Food Stamps, SSI, AFDC, Section 8, Medicare, Medicaid, Prescription Drug Benefit....all of the huge public expenditures that all the politicos say are untouchable did not even exist as recently as 50 years ago.

Young people today probably cannot imagine a world without Medicare and Medicaid and SNAP/EBT and Section 8, since they were raised on these programs. But there are people living who can remember when they did not exist and certainly not as massive parts of the Federal budget.


I'm middle aged and the US has been some kind of welfare state since before I was born, even if you exclude The New Deal as such.

In fact there is less access to welfare now in some places than there as in the 80's because of Clinton era welfare reforms

Besides political nostrums or or political systems that are designed for an industrial age or worse a nation of yeoman farmers are designed to fail. Future Shock is a tedious old term but it works here, tech changed faster than we can figure out how to deal with it and the transition we are in has been incredibly destructive

All that aside once society is allowed to become homogeneous again , some areas may be able to come up with solutions that will work for them.

Thucydides wrote:Poor Alinskey. He thought it would only require killing @ 20 million Americans to achieve and cement his "revolution". Looks like we may be seeing numbers that would make Mao blanch, or Pol Pot think the depopulated countryside of Cambodia was teeming with people. And that is regardless of which side ultimately wins.......

This theory was predicated on it being only trusting White people who were much less well armed than today . There were very few semi auto detachable magazine pistols or rifles on the market at the time and this firepower changes the equation on both sides in very radical ways and trust is much lower

Good luck getting Communism to work when the dirt people refuse it and are willing to unmake the very infrastructure of the nation

Blogger Doom November 17, 2017 3:00 PM  

I get the "what about me" thing, guys. To the choir, sure, we get it. I went through it. It's the first chance to wake, or first "oh shit" in the waking process. Not really knocking coming down on it, just letting some know it's a normal healthy response, if it misses the point.

My advice is to make sure, if you are questionable, for any reason? Don't double down. Are you black? Don't be using or pushing. Are you... whatever, don't be a cost to society, though more, be a solid net positive, though not just to your people. If none of the people you might fear, and probably a lot of them, won't stand up for you? Pack. Now. The world is going to lose most tolerance. You get smart with a cop, or a right citizen, you'll disappear. Check that thug attitude.

Blogger Dedd Sirius November 17, 2017 3:03 PM  

The piñata analogy above is funny.

White nations are like piñatas. Abuse them and candy falls out.

Blogger Cloom Glue November 17, 2017 3:07 PM  

Tell your sons and other men to never befriend, date, nor marry single mothers, divorcees, because it is adultery, and that sin broke up the family, which was a tactic of cultural marxism; feminism.

Tell the single mothers to go back to their husbands and reunite their family, if they left because of promiscuity, female ego, and not because he was violent.

Blogger Cloom Glue November 17, 2017 3:11 PM  

per @136, I meant her promiscuity, not his.

Anonymous BBGKB November 17, 2017 3:18 PM  

What about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooooooos

See faggots change their minds & support the death penalty (not for cop killers or even moslems that attack gay bars like Pulse, Miami or Neighbors, Seattle ) but

for darkskined wetback that killed his girlfriends 9yo gay son.

http://www.towleroad.com/2017/11/murder-gay/

Blogger Smokey Dust November 17, 2017 3:19 PM  

On the mutts question.

It’s going to be messy, no need worrying about something that out of your control. If you need to worry focus on, to paraphrase/steal from the GE, survive til 2035

Blogger Desdichado November 17, 2017 3:23 PM  

What kind of cusp event would it take to change things overnight... or even within a year?

For heavens sake; your own post contains an example of one. An explosion of EBT riots in a country that's been gradually red-pilled for a few years of a Trump presidency—and then someone like Roy Moore saying publicly what everyone's been thinking privately: "It's time to do something about the clear and present danger that foreign parasites are to the American people" with the memory of just that fresh in everyone's mind; it could be as simple as that. There's the example of the boiling frog of Rome that we're all tossing around, but it's not the only one. The Weimar Republic didn't limp along for centuries before collapsing; it turned immediately into something very different than it had been.

Of course, nobody wants to turn to fascism or any other kind of Leftist -ism, but the point isn't that Nazi Germany was worse in the long run than Weimar Germany; the point is that it isn't as hard to have those kinds of cusp events as you seem to believe. The past year and a half has actually been incredibly morale boosting for me, because I see that although politically and socially I'm still on the bleeding edge... but the rest of the country is catching up to me much faster than I would have believed possible. All it takes is a few more overt examples of Leftist or immigrant or dindu over-reach. Americans are REALLY getting sick and tired of it. For the first time in my life. The Saxon has begun to hate. We're like an overly dry, drought-riddled California chaparral county. Some careless dindu, wetback, Mahometan or even Jew, at this point, is liable to miss the signs and start a careless wildfire that is way out of control.

Anonymous Sam the Man November 17, 2017 3:32 PM  

There is another possibility prior to break up: A soviet union style of crackdown where any expression against the dominate social order is punished very harshly. A one party state with a weak ineffectual opposition, who are really only a valve to prevent a full revolution by offering the illusion of an alternative change of power. Kind of what the Dems thought they were going to have if Hillary won the election.

Of course that state of affairs will not last forever, but if the soviet union is any example, it could last for 80 years. If Yugoslavia is the example it could last 45 years. Given the violent nature of the Blacks these days and their attachment to the left, one suspects that even if the Left does impose such a solution, it will break down in a decade or two as the blacks are simply not governable and if in a position of power will abuse it to the point where every one else is against them. The tribes are simply too disparate to make a functioning system, at least long term (I suspect anyway)

Prior to that occurring you will have to disarm folks, which mitigates against this, as it seems we are beyond the compliance stage in the predominate arms owning populations. Last figure I read was nearly 400 million arms. an estimate of high capacity magazines is in that range as well. Government surveys of admitted owners show only 265 million arms, which means around 130,000 million arms are not going to be admitted to by their owners.

That tends to tell me the likelihood of some kind of civil war is not out of the bounds of possibility. A horrible thought as it will be much more like Yugoslavia 1991 or Spain 1937 than US 1860.

We live in interesting times. I recall reading "A tale of Two Cities" in 1979 and withn the year the same sort of thing occurred in Iran. Now within my lifetime the same may occur here. Sad but as we have seen with Trumps efforts to stop the train, almost unstoppable.

Anonymous Sam the Man November 17, 2017 3:35 PM  

130 million, not 130,000 million.

Oh Vey...

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 17, 2017 3:49 PM  

@127 That's right, so do your best to be prepared. You probably never will be, but neither will anyone else. The groups that pull together rapidly and are able to maintain strong group cohesion will most likely win.

Some groups are great at pulling together quickly but are notoriously bad at the cohesion part.

Blogger tz November 17, 2017 4:18 PM  

GK Chesterton on the USA and Civic Nationalism:
“The Americans are very patriotic, and wish to make their new citizens patriotic Americans. But it is the idea of making a new nation literally out of any old nation that comes along. In a word, what is unique is not America but what is called Americanisation. We understand nothing till we understand the amazing ambition to Americanise the Kamskatkan and the Hairy Ainu. We are not trying to Anglicise thousand of French cooks or Italian organ-grinders. France is not trying to Gallicise thousands of English trippers or German prisoners of war. America is the only place in the world where this process, healthy or unhealthy, possible or impossible, is going on. And the process, as I have pointed out, is not internationalization. It would be truer to say it is the nationalization of the internationalized. It is making a home out of vagabonds and a nation out of exiles.”

Blogger tz November 17, 2017 4:28 PM  

I brought up the earlier Chesterton Quote to point out that we still need a nation, and national - patriotic - lines where we can sort patriots from traitors.

A Civic Nationalist will go out of his way to condemn someone on the alt-Right (or -white) for racism, but will not condemn a globalist, or even an immigrant that refuses to assimilate, much less figure out how to throw these traitors - to use the correct term - out of the country or at least quarantine them in a camp or graveyard.

Even Chesterton doesn't know if it is "healthy" or "possible", and that is an arguable point. However there are TWO parts to the argument, one is the theoretical. Pygmalion. How far can genetics and race be overcome? That is a reasonable and scientific question which can be tested. But the second is far more important. Are we willing to actually conduct the experiment, which means the choices are assimilate, leave, or die - including children?

A civic nationalist must be more cruel and brutal than any Nazi if they wish to reestablish what they SAY they hold dear. The cruelty can't be based on race, but on ideology, and would require a thought police far more intrusive than anything on the alt-right. Because the Constitution is merely a parchment barrier, we must execute those who would commit treason by poking holes in it. Conversely, a race based nation can tolerate the small number of self-haters because the rest are excluded.

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 4:28 PM  

@128 VFM #7634
Looks like the groid flow into Europe may get choked off... by Libyans selling them into slavery:

/news/Migrants-Sold-into-Slavery-in-Libya-for-as-Little-as-400

I must say, my heart bleeds.


Can we crowd fund this?!?!?!?!?!? Crowd fund a bunch of the purchase of African slaves for Libyans to build a great big wall!!!
If nothing else the REEEEE would be worth it. I bet the Libyans would take BTC!!!

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 4:34 PM  

Too late ass holes!! better start setting up the mini-guns on the walls if you actually want to do anything about it!!!

AT least the mainstream is showing slight awareness of the coming slaughter!

"We Paid A Heavy Price For This Mistake" - Europe To Be Flooded With 2nd Refugee Wave, UN Warns

"We paid a heavy price for this mistake and I'm afraid we're about to make it once again," Beasley believes. According to the UN food chief, while many asylum seekers wanted to stay in their home region, the lack of food has driven them away. “If they don’t have enough food, they will leave. And many of them would go to Europe,” Beasley said.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-17/we-paid-heavy-price-mistake-europe-be-flooded-2nd-refugee-wave-un-warns

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 17, 2017 4:35 PM  

Sam, a Commie style crackdown is really not very plausible. Compliance with gun registration and gun laws is in the 10% range probably lower.

Certainly idea shaping and passive censorship will be used but trying to prevent a preference cascade is simply not plausible

Also todays crop of Rightist revolutionaries are very different than previous crops, in the 90's last time we got this way, the goals and methods were limited since they'd mostly be killing fellow Americans who were mislead. . Today's Right will gladly burn it all down if they have too and very few tactics are completely off limits

Ah diversity, is there nothing it can't do?

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 4:37 PM  

VD: Do the Jews, the Italians, the Irish, or the Scandinavians value small government today, even after more than 100 years of residence in the USA? No. Not even a little bit. They have learned to speak English, but they have never learned to value limited government. They are not, they have not been, and they will never be Americans in the original sense of the term, which is simply another way of saying "British colonist".

VD: The point is that there is no "fractured America". It is the USA that is fractured into America and various flavors of Not-America dating back to the mid-1800s.

Fantastic. Non-English are invaders in the US! Out Out Out!

Right back at you with your "Good Luck With That".

That VD is reduced to these absurdities in his argument against civic nationalism shows how weak his argument against them is.

1820 the US is 2% of world GDP. It grew to over 25% of world GDP and the world Superpower riding the backs of the immigrant waves of the next century with civic nationalism.

Also, those fabulous English? Are you so sure they're the bulwark of "limited government", and not the shock troops of the SJWs on the one hand, and the Cuckservatives on the other? The English seem pretty prominent in both.

Besides your desire to preserve your narrative, what's the evidence for the English being the net preservers of freedom in the US today, compared to the Germans?

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 4:38 PM  

Epic catch 22 and the epitome of the road to hell is paved in good intentions

“We paid a heavy price for this mistake and I'm afraid we're about to make it once again,” Beasley believes. According to the UN food chief, while many asylum seekers wanted to stay in their home region, the lack of food has driven them away. “If they don’t have enough food, they will leave. And many of them would go to Europe,” Beasley said.

If we don't feed them they will come to the west. If we feed them they will simply continue to reproduce until we cant feed them, then they will come to the west....

The only solution is to cut them off and lock them in the dark continent.

Anonymous Grayman November 17, 2017 4:44 PM  

Line em up on the walls:

M134 Minigun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8rEWQaQTAw

Blogger VFM #7634 November 17, 2017 4:53 PM  

Fantastic. Non-English are invaders in the US! Out Out Out!


Buybuydandavis
There does appear to be a sort of requirement to be at least part English or Scotch-Irish (the ethnicity of nearly all Presidents until well into the 20th Century), and mainly of European background, plus being some kind of Christian, to truly "get" being American. As I mentioned above, it may explain things like the persistent leftardery of Minnesotans, for example.

Also, it should be pointed out that the English and Scotch-Irish are Celto-Germanic mixes. Basic white Americans are also Celto-Germanic mixes, except with Catholic Irish added on the Celtic side, and German added on the Germanic side. Perhaps combined Celto-Germanic ancestry is the secret sauce.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 4:58 PM  

Cecil Henry wrote:
America is not a multiethnic state.



The US became the World Superpower as a multiethnic state. Germans and Irish are more prevalent then English.

Blogger Artisanal Toad November 17, 2017 5:07 PM  

Desdichado wrote:What kind of cusp event would it take to change things overnight... or even within a year?

For heavens sake; your own post contains an example of one. An explosion of EBT riots in a country that's been gradually red-pilled for a few years of a Trump presidency—and then someone like Roy Moore saying publicly what everyone's been thinking privately: "It's time to do something about the clear and present danger that foreign parasites are to the American people" with the memory of just that fresh in everyone's mind; it could be as simple as that.


Your example is something along the lines of re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, because it's a case of the incredibly complex and interdependent system remaining intact. And sinking. A system in which the women vote and the invaders (who are now citizens) vote. The fiat money debt-ponzi scheme, welfare and feminism are left unchecked.

The fiat money debt-ponzi scheme is completely cemented in place and the current trend is to eliminate cash. That particular system funds and enables everything else, so the question is not just how to get rid of it, but how to replace it. Getting rid of it requires completely restructuring not just the national economy but all interactions with everywhere else.

You have two choices that will work: Either eliminate the need for it (along with lots of people who use it) or step up and replace it with a biometric chip-based system. Guess which one the system controllers want to see?

Getting rid of the invaders is a good step forward, but the system would still be very much in place and systemic entropy in terns of the descent into evil is still very much with you.


Sam the Man wrote:Last figure I read was nearly 400 million arms. an estimate of high capacity magazines is in that range as well. Government surveys of admitted owners show only 265 million arms, which means around 130,000 million arms are not going to be admitted to by their owners.

The weapons are no longer the issue, the technology is. The vast majority will not resist, but some will and today it's relatively simple to build a remote shooting platform using a semi-auto rifle, digital camera and robotics controlled by wireless. This separates the weapon from the shooter and given sufficient bandwidth, the trigger can be pulled from anywhere. Once the shooter is no longer at risk, everything changes.


Blogger Hockey Monkey November 17, 2017 5:11 PM  

Where's the original version?

Blogger Danby November 17, 2017 5:17 PM  

"Leaders, of men and thought, are able to move beyond rhetoric. Vox Day, you are no leader."
Men have never, not once in the history of the universe, been moved by anything else than Rhetoric.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 5:22 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:
Perhaps combined Celto-Germanic ancestry is the secret sauce.


Celto-Germanic is quite a large multiethnic swath of Europe, of ethnicities with very different politics than each other, and very different than their coethnics in the US today. US Germans, Irish, and English are much more similar with each other in their politics than their homeland coethnics. Apparently blood isn't everything.

US history is a *refutation* of VD's "civic nationalism can't work theory". Not only can it work, it produced the current reigning world superpower. Not too shabby.

Blogger Student in Blue November 17, 2017 5:24 PM  

Not only can it work, it produced the current reigning world superpower. Not too shabby.

I'm sure the utter destruction of Europe's manufacturing base had nothing to do with it too.

Blogger Noah Bawdy November 17, 2017 5:51 PM  

"Think about it. Do the Jews, the Italians, the Irish, or the Scandinavians value small government today, even after more than 100 years of residence in the USA? No. Not even a little bit."

The Irish ?
I'm of Irish descent raised by parents who were of Irish (Mother) and German descent.
I'm totally in favor of a small limited government.
I am an absolute believer in Federalism.
I just know where you get off saying that.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 6:11 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:
There does appear to be a sort of requirement to be at least part English or Scotch-Irish (the ethnicity of nearly all Presidents until well into the 20th Century), and mainly of European background, plus being some kind of Christian, to truly "get" being American.


Probably well into the 20th Century, it took longer to move up the ranks of power. English or Scotch Irish had longer to build up that power. Not surprising that they had the most established power.

I'm not claiming that some cultures are not easier to assimilate than others, or that there might be *some* genetic component to that.

VD likes to caricature civic nationalism as open borders. I don't believe in open borders or magic dirt. But civic nationalism has worked to produce the world superpower. A claim that it "can't work" has already been refuted by history.

The main differences today are the existence of a welfare state and the more broadly ranging immigrant population, both of which argue for *less* and more controlled immigration than during the 19th and early 20th century.

But less immigration than in those waves does not mean 0.

All those immigrants came in handy when it was time to defeat Fascism and Communism. Numbers matter when you're talking about world power, and safety in a savage world. Numbers also matter for the prosperity brought by internal free trade. Economies of scale matter too.

There are benefits to making more Americans out of foreigners. VD says it can't be done. He's wrong. It can, and it has. And not anecdotally, but with the *majority* of white Americans today.

VD can call the majority of white Americans "Not Americans" if he likes, but what evidence does he present that the descendants of English are better than they are? By my eye, looks like the English make up the ranks of the Deep State, SJWs, and Cuckservatives.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 17, 2017 6:17 PM  

Buybuydandavis wrote:US history is a *refutation* of VD's "civic nationalism can't work theory". Not only can it work, it produced the current reigning world superpower. Not too shabby.

Not true, the US is an empire held together by force 1st in 1865 than again when Eisenhower invaded the South back in 1952.

Even with all of that, we were only a great power, not the great power. Prior to the end of the Cold War we were hardly the sole power either, as many or more people lived under Soviet style regimes than did in any kind of Democracy

we were the Hyperpower for about 10 years that is all before Russia and China started to rapidly catch up. A tiny bubble is not evidence of a functioning civic nationalism

And while yes we've been able to leverage 3 decades of unprecedented wealth into military primacy that is swiftly fading and our national infrastructure is falling apart, our life expectancy bricking and social capital at near zero.

we can't actually sustain a real war and any foes peer or otherwise that can hit CONUS are off limits.

So no, it doesn't work

We might, might be able to make something work that's tolerable if we restore the pre 1968 rules and the same periods Demographics, a US nation that's 85% White and White Enough non interventionist and closed to immigration might be able to function somewhat if the Left is suppressed

It won't be the founders republic, that's a dead letter and it probably failed with slavery. It certainly failed when the US population became mostly non religious

In any case you still get a big State with all the trouble that causes, you'll still have rampant corruption but reaching some kind of functional consensus and having a stable future is possible which will have to do.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 17, 2017 6:17 PM  

US Germans, Irish, and English are much more similar with each other in their politics than their homeland coethnics. Apparently blood isn't everything.

Buybuydandavis
Or maybe it is. Most Americans are not descended from just one European ethnicity any more. For example, I'm descended from all three of those ethnicities, but if pressed to choose one, I'd choose "Irish" since I have a bit more of that than the others. But I'm less Irish than Barack Obama is white.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 6:29 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:

I'm sure the utter destruction of Europe's manufacturing base had nothing to do with it too.


Try again. US GDP world share had already risen from 2% in 1820 to 19% in 1913. That's the bulk of the rise.

Ask yourself why we had manufacturing and the rest of the world didn't after WWII. We defeated the fascist ethnonationalist states. Civic nationalism beat fascist ethnonationalism, and it did it largely with VD's "Not Americans".

Blogger DonReynolds November 17, 2017 6:35 PM  

@141 Sam the Man
"if the soviet union is any example, it could last for 80 years."

The little piece you left out was the Russian Civil War, that brought about the Soviet system. The Bolshevik Revolution was in 1917 and the civil war that followed lasted until 1923....some six years. Histories tend to gloss over the Russian civil war after the revolution, but the communists were nearly wiped out in 1920. The fiasco invasion of Poland by five Red armies did not help much either.

Personally, I do not believe the Leftists could ever create a Soviet state in the USA because they could never win the civil war that it would take to create it.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 6:38 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:

Buybuydandavis

Or maybe it is. Most Americans are not descended from just one European ethnicity any more. For example, I'm descended from all three of those ethnicities, but if pressed to choose one, I'd choose "Irish" since I have a bit more of that than the others. But I'm less Irish than Barack Obama is white.



The "one drop rule" for English blood? A little bit of English goes a long way toward Liberty?

That would be pretty handy for civic nationalists. Just have to breed immigrants with the English, and voila!

Trouble is, it just doesn't look that way on the flip side. Plenty of English are on the Globalist side. Lots of English blood didn't make them freedom loving.

The more reasonable explanation is that the immigrants assimilated to the culture. This cultural mixing should be expected to be sped up by the increased *cultural* mixing of mixed marriage.

Blogger Al November 17, 2017 6:39 PM  

So many race-mixers in this thread. Pitiful. Just pitiful.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 17, 2017 6:44 PM  

Trouble is, it just doesn't look that way on the flip side. Plenty of English are on the Globalist side. Lots of English blood didn't make them freedom loving.

Which is why they have to be Christians. If they lose Christianity, they become idiotic inner-Hajnal virtue-signaling globalists like most Eurotrash these days.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 17, 2017 6:46 PM  

The "one drop rule" for English blood? A little bit of English goes a long way toward Liberty?

Cf. my previous remark about "Celto-Germanic". The fact that it was Irish and German mixing with the British stock is important. If it was any nonwhite group, or Middle Easterners, or even Latin or the more remote Slavic people, it wouldn't work.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 17, 2017 6:48 PM  

>Ask yourself why we had manufacturing and the rest of the world didn't after WWII.

Because out factories weren't bombed out of existence.

>We defeated the fascist ethnonationalist states. Civic nationalism beat fascist ethnonationalism, and it did it largely with VD's "Not Americans".

No...Germany and the Axis powers fought the world and the economic engine. The combined GDP of the allied powers was 9x that the Axis powers. You could reverse the rolls in regards to civic versus ethno nationalism and the end result would have been the same.

Blogger DonReynolds November 17, 2017 7:02 PM  

Reading history is a lot like reading a novel, already knowing how the story ends.

When the US entered WWI, it was by no means a certainty that the Allies would win the war. In fact, the Germans came very close to winning the war in 1918 before calling it quits.

The same was true the day after Pearl Harbor. There were very few reasons to believe that the Axis could be defeated militarily and it would be another two years before there was any hope that the Allies would win.

That is often the case during wartime. There are victories and there are defeats and it is often unknown just how it will all end.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 17, 2017 7:11 PM  

@153
Not true, individuals who identify as English or "American" since the 2000 census make up 45 million people making them larger than German Americans the largest reported ethnic group. Even that is irrelevant as all those "German" or "Irish" Americans can only claim some fraction thereof and could just as easily claim to be English.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 7:25 PM  

Theproductofafineeduction wrote:

No...Germany and the Axis powers fought the world and the economic engine. The combined GDP of the allied powers was 9x that the Axis powers. You could reverse the rolls in regards to civic versus ethno nationalism and the end result would have been the same.



The 9X number is not close to right. It's a range from 2-3.

The Allies had the advantage, but not that large.

But again, you see the result, but don't ask why.

Civic nationalist US had greater GDP going into the war than Germany, Italy, and Japan combined.

Those "Not American" Germans and Italians in the civic nationalist US sure came in handy for the Allies and sure were missed by the Axis.

Blogger Lazarus November 17, 2017 7:41 PM  

Their ARE no civic nationalists. Only civil statists.

This is why USA is not synonymous with America.

USA is an Empire, not a nation.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 7:42 PM  

Theproductofafineeduction wrote:

1) Not true, individuals who identify as English or "American" since the 2000 census make up 45 million people making them larger than German Americans the largest reported ethnic group.

2) Even that is irrelevant as all those "German" or "Irish" Americans can only claim some fraction thereof and could just as easily claim to be English.



1) Despite VD's claim that Germans and Irish are "Not Americans", they are perfectly free to call themselves Americans in the census too.

Assigning everyone who calls themselves American to the English is just delusional.

2) Similar issue. Just as people calling themselves Germans often have English heritage, people calling themselves English have German heritage.

You're engaging in wishful thinking to get your English numbers up. Just doesn't wash.

Blogger WynnLloyd November 17, 2017 7:50 PM  

TL; DR- Civic nationalism will most definitely not work with huge numbers of non-Europeans.
Please forgive the long comment. In the duture I'll keep them short. I wrote all this without realizing how much of a blowhard I seem like lol.

Attempting to defend civic nationalism based on the past assimilation (or perceived assmilation, it doesn't mater which) is a dishonest or at least foolish argument.
These European ethnicities have similarities at their core. Earlier it was noted that they had very similar SMV for both sexes. They also enjoy I.Q.s within a similar range. Furthermore, they come from countries that at least at one point had a common faith, and thus similar philosophical and legal frameworks, in a very broad sense.

That model breaks down utterly when it comes to non-Europeans. A Frenchman and an Englishman have different legal traditions, but they are much more similar to each other than a bastardized, Somalian take on Sharia law, where the foundations of law are totally different. When you add in massive genetic differences in I.Q. and other personality traits, it's clear that civic nationalism can't work on a multiracial scale.
It's a situation that produces severe resentment. Blending is just not possible. The Irish immigrants worked on docks, in factories, and as soldiers. But he will Somalis produce this extreme GDP growth referenced earlier? They won't. They can't. It's not even their fault.
Imagine the opposite, though. You're an Asian-American physician. You're in good shape, and make $250,000 a year. You've always been brilliant, and unlike you're relatives, youre 6'1''. Yet you rarely dated in college, or while in medical school. You're parents managed to find you a wife of your ethnicity, yet you catch her posting in a closed Facebook group for other Asian girls, where she says, "white guys ride for free." When you confront her, she tells you she wants to try cuckolding, as a way to allegedly deepen the relationship. You're scared of divorce-rape, and are a good natured, accommodating man, so you end up sitting in a closet while this ignorant redneck Mayes your wife squeak like she never did with you.
Are you proud to be an American, where at least you know you're free? Probably not.
This is a true story. I know this because I did this when I was 20, when I exclusively dated Asian girls. I knew she had a husband, but was sold a story about an unfulfilling and emotional abusive marriage, and didn't know the extent to which women lie due to my inexperience. I didn't know the guy was in the closet, though. And that was far from the last time an Asian girl has tried to pull me into nonsense like that.

Again , sorry for the long comment.

Blogger WynnLloyd November 17, 2017 7:54 PM  

The USA had an industrial capacity 10 times that of Japan. That's a pretty big advantage. Yet I do see your overall point.
With that said, was there controversy with German-Americans or Italian-Americans fighting in Europe? I know the Japanese-American troops were exclusively sent to Europe, for obvious reasons. Many of them WERE spies, hence the internment on the homefront. That seems like a fairly solid blow against civic nationalism.

Blogger Ransom Smith November 17, 2017 8:15 PM  

Despite VD's claim that Germans and Irish are "Not Americans"
Benjamin Franklin claimed the same actually. He vehemently opposed the Hessian settlements in Pennsylvania.

Anonymous TheLostOne November 17, 2017 8:51 PM  

Buybuydandavis...

You seem to be lacking in very fundamental understanding of how immigration affects and changes the current nation of people that are already there . The net negative to the institutions of the country are not immediate . It is no mistake that some of the biggest desecrations to the Constitution and some of our current biggest problems such as the Federal Reserve Bank, voting of senators by the people instead of the state , the building up of America's overseas interventionism etc. came after the waves of immigrants . The greatness of America's infrastructure in terms of its institutions ideas and culture had already been set up by the English . There was a time of no federal income tax , virtually all drugs were legal etc.

Countries always go downhill eventually . But in this case we can see many of the problems that we face(d) were discreetly caused by the immigrant populations. Bigger government, higher taxes , the Italian Mafia, the spread of atheism and leftist degeneracy in academia by Jewish professors, the transforming of our previously Republican strongholds in the Northeast into Irish dominated democratic strongholds (where do you think that the modern-day Democrats got the idea for winning elections through mass immigration)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2017 9:06 PM  

No, the temporarily ethno-nationalust Russians, and their subject nations, defeated Ethno-imperialist Germany.
Learn some freakin history, for crying out loud. The Western Front was a sideshow.

Blogger dfordoom November 17, 2017 9:23 PM  

@36. Dan

If British blood was the answer, how could all those many, many Rotherhams occur?

The sad truth is that white Europeans are the weakest most pussyfied people ever to walk the earth. They know of only one response to a threat - they whimper, they cower in fear, followed by abject surrender. The British, the Germans, the Swedes, white Americans, they're all the same. They invented the art of cucking.

It's not white genocide we have to worry about. It's white suicide.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 17, 2017 9:25 PM  

Buybuydandavis wrote:Try again. US GDP world share had already risen from 2% in 1820 to 19% in 1913. That's the bulk of the rise.

Ask yourself why we had manufacturing and the rest of the world didn't after WWII. We defeated the fascist ethnonationalist states. Civic nationalism beat fascist ethnonationalism, and it did it largely with VD's "Not Americans".


The US at the time was essentially a Left Wing dictatorship under President for Life Roosevelt allied with Joe Stalin So no, it wasn't civic nationalism for the win but a socialism on socialism pissing match

Also said system appeared to be a house of cards, it took a few street riots and a political push over a few decades to turn the US from a religious 90% White state to the multicultural shit hole we have today
Civic nationalism is simply too weak to stand for long.

And to note European nations however fucked and cucked they are right now retain a strong recognizable identity which is something the US doesn't have.

Civic nationalism is unstable with multiple cultures who are close kin, its utterly untenable with multiple ethnic groups, cannot and will not work.

The only way around that is single party rule like Singapore and the US will not tolerate that any longer.

This union is done, it may stay together a few more decades but its over and there is no faction currently string enough able enough to forcefully unite the nation nor any cause that would cause us to unite.


Blogger dfordoom November 17, 2017 9:26 PM  

@40. Bobo #117

WW I & WW 2 slaughtered the best of British manhood.
It never recovered.


So how do you explain Sweden, the most cucked nation on earth? They didn't lose any of their manhood in wars.

Blogger Lazarus November 17, 2017 9:35 PM  

dfordoom wrote:So how do you explain Sweden, the most cucked nation on earth? They didn't lose any of their manhood in war

Somebody covered that in another thread related to the social organization of the vikings. All the pussies stayed home while the fighters sailed off to kill people and break thing.

Blogger Lazarus November 17, 2017 9:36 PM  

Syria....crown jewel of civic nationalism

Blogger papabear November 17, 2017 9:38 PM  

Someone please explain "correlation is not causation" to the civic nationalist moron.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 10:02 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Despite VD's claim that Germans and Irish are "Not Americans"

Benjamin Franklin claimed the same actually.


He did indeed, and I found his quote about Swedes and Germans as "swarthy Europeans" both enlightening and hilarious.

People should know the history.

Blogger dfordoom November 17, 2017 10:04 PM  

@43. Nate

the Urban vs Rural divide is the biggest factor

Urbanisation is the often overlooked driver of many of our problems. Urbanisation turns men into soy boys and women into sluts.

Blogger Lazarus November 17, 2017 10:07 PM  

also, conflation is not confirmation

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 17, 2017 10:09 PM  

There is something wrong about cities. They either attract or cause mental illness and a whole host of other problems. Liberals with their counterfactual thinking and toleration of every perversion. A sick environment.

I don't know if cities are a symptom or a cause or something in between but they are bad.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 10:12 PM  

dfordoom wrote:@36. Dan

The British, the Germans, the Swedes, white Americans, they're all the same. They invented the art of cucking.

It's not white genocide we have to worry about. It's white suicide.


Yes. One of the benefits I see in having some foreign neighbors is to have some counter balance to white western guilt.

Blogger Buybuydandavis November 17, 2017 10:26 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:No, the temporarily ethno-nationalust Russians, and their subject nations, defeated Ethno-imperialist Germany.

Learn some freakin history, for crying out loud. The Western Front was a sideshow.


You read first.

The Russians fought a majority of the German forces, but did squat outside the Eastern Front. The US and British commonwealth fought WWII everywhere else, while keeping the Commies supplied with around 5% of their GDP.

Anonymous Sam the Man November 17, 2017 10:42 PM  

The end result in WWII was decided the moment the US entered the war. Between the pound sterling and the US dollar, every productive state in north and South America, along with Africa, the middle east and India were at the beck and call of the allies. A lot of productive capability that could be harnessed that the axis could not hope to equal in their restricted spaces.

Russia was able to produce as much a it did because even though they lost between 50 and 70 % of their raw material locations in western Russia/Ukraine, the allies were able to pour raw material into the country in terms of steel, aluminum, food stuffs shoes, and 470,000 vehicles, allowing Russia to focus on weapons alone.

The turning point was not Kursk, or Stalingrad, but Dec 7 1941, it just took 10.5 months for that to be apparent to every one.

Blogger M Cephas November 17, 2017 10:55 PM  

@VD

If "American" is another way of saying "British colonist", and the Americans naturally favor small government, shouldn't countries like Canada and Australia, also favor small government, being British colonies themselves?

Blogger dfordoom November 17, 2017 11:23 PM  

@170. DonReynolds

The same was true the day after Pearl Harbor. There were very few reasons to believe that the Axis could be defeated militarily and it would be another two years before there was any hope that the Allies would win.

The Allied victory was inevitable right from the start. There was never the slightest chance the Axis powers could prevail. They were economically outgunned to an absurd degree.

In fact, the Germans came very close to winning the war in 1918 before calling it quits.

Their 1918 spring offensive was one last desperate throw of the dice. It was never going to succeed. Germany's only real chance was in 1914.

Blogger GraceIronwood November 17, 2017 11:24 PM  

I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. wrote:"Common Culture"

Wat.

Feelium seems to be nearly everyone's drug of choice these days. IT -- not religion -- is the opiate of the masses.

"You're blindly hooked on Feelium" is not bad rhetoric.


Blogger dfordoom November 17, 2017 11:24 PM  

@167. VFM #7634

"Trouble is, it just doesn't look that way on the flip side. Plenty of English are on the Globalist side. Lots of English blood didn't make them freedom loving."

Which is why they have to be Christians.


Most Christians today are ardent globalists and SJWs. The vast majority of white Christians today are ardent globalists and SJWs.

Christianity is looking more like being part of the problem than part of the solution.

Blogger Kona Commuter November 17, 2017 11:25 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:When the US entered WWI, it was by no means a certainty that the Allies would win the war. In fact, the Germans came very close to winning the war in 1918 before calling it quits.



Why did (individuals from a certain tribe - they'd be treasonous if they were legit Germans but dual loyalties.....) Germany call it quits when they were winning? The reason ticked off one very driven patriotic nationalist.

1 – 200 of 230 Newer› Newest»

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts