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Saturday, November 18, 2017

Mailvox: Justice League review

DJ watches it so you don't have to.

I had some time to kill in town today. Didn’t want to drive back home just to turn around. Decided to roll the dice and see the Justice League Movie. Consider this me taking one for the team.   It was abysmal. Just flat out boring. But it was offensive, too.

Before the opening credits even completed, while the movie tries to convince us the world has gone to hell with the death of Superman, we witness two angry white men (one with a shaved head, of course) assaulting a grocery owning Muslim family.  But that’s actually the only “bad” scene we see. All the other scenes were just of urban decay and sad people in mourning.

Yet, that’s not the only reason I found the movie offensive. It was a horrendously dumbed-down version of the DC Apokolips/Darkseid mythos. Truly awful. Further, the introductions of Aquaman and Flash completely rewrite those characters, making them as annoying as they are impotent.

Flash is a self-described fearful Jew who admits being scared of bugs and running away from trouble, perfectly ok letting others do all the fighting. Arthur Curry is a depicted as a petulant and spoiled resigned member of Atlantis, who even with near godlike power and freedom, drinks himself silly while complaining about his mommy.

Cyborg was pretty on point and probably the best part of the movie.

A risen Superman?  Boring. Made more so by returning him to his all-powerful, Silver Age, personality-missing, truth and justice (minus the American Way) flying savior.

Wonder Woman?  Well...let’s just say I wouldn’t be surprised if Zach Snyder ends up on the Miramax Scoreboard soon considering how many times we got to see a center focus shot of Gal Gadot’s rear. As for her character?  By the end of the movie she’s telling us Batman wanted her to lead the team (which he never actually does), and that she’s supposed to be the glue for the league, all the while smiling patronizingly at all the “supermen” around her...until of course a shirtless Clark Kent arrives on scene, at which point she drops the smile and visibly quivers at the sight of hairy Henry’s chest.

Not ever how the angry-and-suspicious-of-all-men Wonder Woman was ever depicted.

Bruce Wayne/Batman?  Fat. Fat, and not at all intimidating on any level. The Batman. Not intimidating. It’s a joke, but when Barry Allen asks what Bruce’s super power, Bruce responds, “I’m rich,” but that’s clearly what we’re supposed to take away from Batman. He’s too old, too slow, past his prime, useless without real powers (as even stated by Arthur Curry), and nothing without his money.

What. The. Hell.  Not the greatest tactician to ever live. Not the world’s greatest detective. Not the most feared crime fighter villains have ever faced - also, every human bad guy in the movie is a white male; even Steppenwolf is depicted with pinkish white skin. No. Batman is just sort of the Justice League’s bruised-and-broken, Scotch-drinking rich uncle.

There was never any real danger once they raised Superman. None. No challenge. No real conflict. Just that tired trope of “if only we come together as a team, we can defeat anything,” and do it better than all those who did it before. Before, it took the combined forces of all the Amazons, all the Atlantians, all the heroes of all the tribes of man, AND the old gods to defeat Steppenwolf and the danger of the trinity box. This time it just takes a desire for justice as stated by Superman at the beginning of the final battle.

Ahhh!!  Even the CGI landscape the League flies into for the final battle looked cheap and fake!  Nothing about this movie reminded me of the hours I’d spend reading comics growing up!  None of it!  Not even the rise of Superman carried any inspiration whatsoever.

These mythical stories and adventures are supposed to inspire us to be better people, but this movie wasn’t that at all. It was plain and not mythical. It was common and trite. It wasn’t even good brain candy. It was exhausting.

It was just boring.

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101 Comments:

Blogger Koanic November 18, 2017 8:43 AM  

When untermensch write Superman.

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 18, 2017 8:44 AM  

Marvel and DC continue to clear themselves and their SJW debris from the playing field.

Alt★Hero awaits.

Blogger VD November 18, 2017 8:47 AM  

Alt★Hero awaits.

Only we're not waiting. We're coming on like Redshift running down a crippled old man with a cane.

Blogger Ransom Smith November 18, 2017 8:48 AM  

When untermensch write Superman.
Superman has never been an interesting character. He's essentially godmodded to the point they had to invent a weakness after poor characterization.

Blogger tuberman November 18, 2017 8:48 AM  

Movie comics with gangrene.

Blogger Koanic November 18, 2017 8:52 AM  

Obviously the Aryan superman's kryptonite is the green greed of the lying Lex (((lawyer))).

Blogger The Observer November 18, 2017 8:52 AM  

Only we're not waiting. We're coming on like Redshift running down a crippled old man with a cane.

Hmm. Clearly Redshift's power is super-speed.

Blogger JACIII November 18, 2017 8:53 AM  

Alternative title: "When people who hate you write your heroic fiction."

Blogger Howard Stone November 18, 2017 8:59 AM  

Thanks for his, you saved me a 20 spot. Yeah, I never liked Cavil as Superman because I couldn’t forget what a wretched character he played in Tudors, and Aqua man and Flash are irrelevant when there is a Superman around who can both breath under water and move really fast.

Blogger Lovekraft November 18, 2017 9:06 AM  

Because it's all about the bottom line ($), movies today are simply appealing to as wide a market as possible. Unfortunately, for anyone with a love for the comic book genre and a personality averse to the Bieber/Obama cult of personality, they're going to be disappointed.

Reminds me of that Hellboy director (don't want to name him because his recent work is more of the same Hollywood crap) who said you'll never see a true Lovecraft movie because of the money factor.

Similar to how social media has made so-called artists the purveyors of All that is Good, the publicity machine also pushes the global money push.

And don't get me started on the blatant double standards of who are the villains, and who are always the wise ones.

Blogger marco moltisanti November 18, 2017 9:09 AM  

"also, every human bad guy in the movie is a white male; even Steppenwolf is depicted with pinkish white skin."

The wife put on one of the Fast and Furious movies last night. I'd never seen one and although it was ridiculous, I was surprised to see some bad guys who weren't white and a few good guys who were. I had trouble following the elaborate fight scene at the end but the main guy in the helicopter that Vin Disel diables by jumping his car into it (no, really) before the Rock blows it up with a chain gun is black, so I guess he was the final boss, so to speak.

Not sure why DC can't make a decent movie, except maybe for the Christian Bale Batman ones. Such great visuals and great characters to work with and yet it still seems like I could write a better movie than what they come up with myself.

Thanks for saving me the price of admission. Still very much looking forward to Alt.Hero.

Blogger tuberman November 18, 2017 9:11 AM  

I've told several people about Alt*Hero, and they all ask when it is coming out? I just say,"They will come out when they're high quality and ready."

I will wait until I get a sign to alert more people.

Anonymous vfm November 18, 2017 9:12 AM  

It was just boring.

In other words it was SJW/leftard.

Anonymous JAG November 18, 2017 9:14 AM  

Am I too jaded when I say that I pretty much already saw this crapfest in my mind even though I have not seen it?

That guy's review is exactly what I expected. It's what I expect of every new Star Wars or Star Trek. SJWs are so damn boring and predictable.

If I could actually stomach to view this crap I would openly cheer for the White bad guys in theaters.

Anonymous kHz November 18, 2017 9:16 AM  

Money's not the main destructive factor in this sort of trainwreck, Lovekraft. It's about vision.

https://youtu.be/zIpOluaTQj8

Anonymous ZhukovG November 18, 2017 9:17 AM  

When people who don't believe in virtue, self sacrifice and heroism try to write stories about heroes this is what you get.

Anonymous Bob Ramar November 18, 2017 9:18 AM  

So the 'villain' is the lead singer for a '70's rock band... ????

Blogger Lazarus November 18, 2017 9:19 AM  

Rotten Tomatoes:

Critics 39%
Audience 86%

Blogger tublecane November 18, 2017 9:22 AM  

@10-Movies for more exclusive audiences get made, especially ones in proven subgenres and ones that can expect to get awards. What they're really missing are modestly-budgeted middlebrow movies. You have your trash made for Chinese people and your highbrow hipster trash made for cloud people. But if you're a normal person, screw you.

Not sure why they can't split up one of those $200 million monstrosities into a bunch of $30 million (or whatever) movies for adults with IQs from 95-120 or so, and see what sticks. Then every movie wouldn't need to make $1.5 billion to avoid flopping.

There's still a market out there, considering what's on tv and streaming services. Which is often degenerate, but not lowest common denominator. But I suppose that's the division Hollywood has settled into: theaters are for the big, dumb stuff. Superheroes, sequels and remakes, cartoons, and horror movies with jump cuts. Plus the occasional Oscar winner or holiday hit.

You can stay at home and get everything else.

Blogger Dave November 18, 2017 9:22 AM  

Getting slammed on Rotten Tomatoes by the critics (24% Top Critics / 39% All Critics) but 86% Audience Score.

From deadline.com:
Writethru of 2ND UPDATE, Friday night: Justice League‘s Friday, coming off a solid $13 million Thursday, is landing at the high end of its midday estimate with $38.4M, however, Warner Bros./DC’s superhero ensemble is falling well short of $100M with an industry estimate of $93.5M over three-days, quite far from tracking’s $110M-$120M projection.

This event movie at a reported estimated production cost of $300M was ten years in the making, and was intended to be the pinnacle for the Warner Bros./DC universe introducing new characters such as The Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman who could hold their own franchise weight with their own solo outings. But an opening that’s 44% lower than Batman v. Superman‘s $166M opening? Ouch.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 18, 2017 9:32 AM  

I believe that Justice League
will be crushed this weekend by Wonder , a PG movie about a little boy with severe facial deformities who is homeschooled, then sent to public school where he is bullied.

I could not imagine a better argument against:

1) Social Justice League
2) PG-13-centrism
3) Public schools

Those are some Hollywood Values I could back.

Blogger Dave November 18, 2017 9:48 AM  

I believe that Justice League
will be crushed this weekend by Wonder


Uhh no. Right now it is tracking for $12-14M, but it is the No. 2 ticket-seller for the weekend.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 18, 2017 9:55 AM  

Thanks for taking one for the team. I had considered watching it to support Gal Gadot and for the effect I had been told of by another long ago which is that you are supposed to imagine that the on-set process is so horrible that Aquaman's actor shows up drunk every day and ad-libs his lines. But now I can pass safely and get whatever enjoyment from watching mocking youtube videos.

Blogger YIH November 18, 2017 9:57 AM  

There was some buzz about Rotten Tomatoes sitting on their scores for 24hrs, but it obviously made no difference.
The question is even if it's a piece of crap, will it make bank? Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was arguably the biggest turd of last year, but it also rang up $330,360,194 US, $873,260,194 worldwide.
Also is Razorfist (language warning) right, and people are simply burning out on the whole genre? We'll have to wait and see, but with the steady parade of comic book films, plus all the TV/streaming comic book shows that the straw that breaks the camel's back is coming... Soon.

Blogger Amy November 18, 2017 10:00 AM  

The 40-50 yo stepdads in their underoos seem to enjoy it, but maybe I just need to get out of my neighborhood more often

Blogger YIH November 18, 2017 10:22 AM  

Bob Ramar wrote:So the 'villain' is the lead singer for a '70's rock band... ????
https://infogalactic.com/info/Steppenwolf_%28band%29
More a (tiresomely overplayed) '60s band. 1970 was where things started going downhill for them.

Blogger Lazarus November 18, 2017 10:36 AM  

Dave wrote:Right now it is tracking for $12-14M, but it is the No. 2 ticket-seller for the weekend.

The first wave is the result of hype. Gotta wait to see what the word of mouth sales are.

Blogger Doom November 18, 2017 10:37 AM  

He needn't suffer on my behalf. I ended cable, then stopped watching new movies, fifteen years ago, give or take. I don't think they can win me back. I dumped sports before that. It was rigged before it went left, which is why the notion that it is manly chess is bogus.

Blogger VD November 18, 2017 10:37 AM  

So the 'villain' is the lead singer for a '70's rock band... ????

So much for Western literature. Ye cats.

Blogger Anno Ruse November 18, 2017 10:38 AM  

I can't for the life of me figure out why Darkseid's evil son Kalibak isn't the villain for this one. Warner Brothers seems determined to make these movies one at a time without giving any thought to building a franchise.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 18, 2017 10:43 AM  

Uhh no. Right now it is tracking for $12-14M, but it is the No. 2 ticket-seller for the weekend.

I'll be looking at per screen, head-to-head. See, Hollywood values sellouts, for varyimg definitions of "sold out."

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 18, 2017 10:47 AM  

So much for Western literature. Ye cats.

I knew someone who thought Siddhartha was the lead singer of The Sex Pistols.

Blogger TheMaleRei November 18, 2017 10:55 AM  

The movie indeed had many issues, and it was painfully obvious in some places where Joss "hypocrite womanizer" Whedon had his impact on the film. One liners which were out of place and needless...

Not to mention autistic Flash who tries for the fist bump from Cyborg...

And was anyone else disappointed when Michael "Roose Bolton" McElhatton didn't flay someone during that first ten minutes? I have to admit I was hoping he would accomplish more than he did...

Blogger VD November 18, 2017 10:56 AM  

Stop being needlessly vulgar, Koanic. It merely highlights the bitterness.

Anonymous User November 18, 2017 11:06 AM  

I'm fairly certain both the band and the villain are named after some prior cultural entity, but I can't be arsed to look it up

Anonymous Educated November 18, 2017 11:12 AM  

Koaniac was bragging on Gab about his alt-retard connections. Koaniac is a socialist and an anti-Semite. He comments here right out the Daily Stormer stylebook. He might be Anglin himself under a sock puppet.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2017 11:13 AM  

@4 Ransom Smith

IIRC I read somewhere that Superman was originally supposed to be a Super Fascist archetype.

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 18, 2017 11:14 AM  

User wrote:I'm fairly certain both the band and the villain are named after some prior cultural entity, but I can't be arsed to look it up

Information at your fingertips: Steppenwolf (disambiguation)

Jack Kirby's "Fourth World" (1970-1973): Steppenwolf is Darkseid's uncle.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2017 11:15 AM  

@9 Howard Stone

Aqua man and Flash are irrelevant when there is a Superman around
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The entire DC Universe is irrelevant when Superman is around.

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 18, 2017 11:18 AM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@9 Howard Stone

Aqua man and Flash are irrelevant when there is a Superman around

---

The entire DC Universe is irrelevant when Superman is around.


A well-played (Gardner Fox written) Green Lantern gives Superman a run for his money, and let's not forget Mon-el. But in general, you are correct.

Blogger Silly but True November 18, 2017 11:20 AM  

This is actually better than I had been expecting for a movie that spent more to erase its star's mustache than the total production budget of the following movies:
original 1984 Ghostbusters
The Hunt for Red October
District 9
Looper
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
John Wick
The Running Man

Blogger VD November 18, 2017 11:24 AM  

He might be Anglin himself under a sock puppet.

No, he's been here for a long time. I know who he is.

Anonymous CV November 18, 2017 11:26 AM  

On a related topic, I gave Netflix's "Daredevil" another shot after so many in the last thread recommended it. Glad I did. The fight choreography is fantastic and the morality is there. The occasional Hollywood sass from a few characters can easily be ignored.

Anonymous CV November 18, 2017 11:28 AM  

On topic, I have no real interest in "Justice League". "Batman Vs Superman" had the weirdest pacing I've ever seen in a movie and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor was possibly the worst hero/villain casting in history.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2017 11:29 AM  

It is a little weird that they put Jason Mamoa in as Aquaman. He was great as a runner in Stargate Atlantis.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope November 18, 2017 11:29 AM  

the way DC originally laid out Superman's death and later resurrection was 10x more interesting and compelling than this.

And even managed to bring a diverse superman with the character "Steel".

Making The Flash gay was typical of SJWs but I'm sure they will be surprised and disappointed that no one will be picking it up as next year's costume.

Blogger Dave November 18, 2017 11:31 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Dave wrote:Right now it is tracking for $12-14M, but it is the No. 2 ticket-seller for the weekend.

The first wave is the result of hype. Gotta wait to see what the word of mouth sales are.


Lionsgate’s outreach to schools was yuge and the upcoming holiday weekend will certainly help as the buzz builds.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope November 18, 2017 11:33 AM  

I agree that Jesse EisenBERG was a disgustingly awful villain.

Even Kevin Spacey (evidently playing himself) was better in the awful Superman Returns to Find Lois Lane Married a Cuckold.

Anonymous CV November 18, 2017 11:38 AM  

^Even more puzzling as it's Zack Snyder. I think his "Watchmen" movie was flawlessly cast, it was the best possible version it could have been as a single Hollywood production.

Blogger Dave November 18, 2017 11:41 AM  

VFM #6306 wrote:Uhh no. Right now it is tracking for $12-14M, but it is the No. 2 ticket-seller for the weekend.

I'll be looking at per screen, head-to-head. See, Hollywood values sellouts, for varyimg definitions of "sold out."


Also varying definitions of "crushed"

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 18, 2017 11:45 AM  

The flash is gay? I wonder if Affleck did test without dieting at his age Stallone was cut for movies.

Blogger DonReynolds November 18, 2017 11:45 AM  

Why do I keep getting the impression that all these Super Hero scripts were written as parodies of the world wars?

The recurring theme seems to be that it takes ALL of the good guys (and gals) together to defeat the bad guy. The ONE bad guy alone is more powerful than any of the good guys, so much so that it takes the entire group effort to stop the bad guy....else he would take over the WORLD! (And it is not by any means a certainty that the good guys can actually pull it off.)

In the back of my mind, I keep thinking...what does the bad guy eat for breakfast and where can I get some for myself.

Think about it. Maybe letting the bad guy run things for a while is the better approach, particularly since he is superior to the collective judgement of the neurotics who oppose him. The bad guy is not trying to DESTROY the world, he just wants to do it his way. And it may be necessary to DESTROY the world (as demonstrated) to stop the bad guy from running it. Maybe we just need a sit down and work out a deal.

Anonymous JAG November 18, 2017 12:01 PM  

CV wrote:On topic, I have no real interest in "Justice League". "Batman Vs Superman" had the weirdest pacing I've ever seen in a movie and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor was possibly the worst hero/villain casting in history.

Whoever the soyboy looking guy that played the villain in Star Wars: Ass - The Mary Sue Awakens was even worse IMO. Not scary, and had dork face at terminal levels. Villains need to either look scary, or sardonic. This guy wouldn't scare a cop.

Blogger James November 18, 2017 12:03 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@9 Howard Stone

Aqua man and Flash are irrelevant when there is a Superman around

---

The entire DC Universe is irrelevant when Superman is around.


Or Krypto. Or Supergirl. Or anyone from Kandor. Or Superfrog. Or Superamoeba.

Anonymous patrick kelly November 18, 2017 12:05 PM  

Slightly OT FWIW: I'm finding Netflix Punisher to be better than I expected, but I'm only 2 episodes in.

Anonymous Iron Spartan November 18, 2017 12:23 PM  

Lots of accountants in Harveywood have to be shitting themselves right about now.

Justice League is the movie that is supposed to save Harveywood this year after a full year of down ticket sales. If it doesn't top $1 Billion domestic, it there is a chance that several studios might end up closing.

Star Wars has to pull a billion domestic as well. Two major releases so close might be too long of a row to hoe right now.

Blogger James Higham November 18, 2017 12:25 PM  

Just wrote a piece on Gal Gadot and JL. Seemed pretty shoddy the bits I saw.

Anonymous Nike November 18, 2017 12:36 PM  

Any early takes on Jew Wars: Mary Sue Strikes Back? I hear Luke dies.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2017 12:37 PM  

I remember as a kid my cousin had all these comics like Batman family, Superman family, etc where they had mom, dad, brother, sister and pet versions. I can't imagine something like that being made these days.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2017 12:41 PM  

@54 James

That previous comment was in response to you James -

But those family type titles were fun as a kid, even if all the extras were irrelevant. Super horses and talking cat uncles - kinds of things great for a young kids imagination.

Anonymous BBGKB November 18, 2017 12:57 PM  

Flash is a self-described fearful Jew who admits being scared of bugs and running away from trouble, perfectly ok letting others do all the fighting

Make the French look brave.

when Barry Allen asks what Bruce’s super power, Bruce responds, “I’m rich,” but that’s clearly what we’re supposed to take away from Batman

You know (((they))) wanted him to say "white privilege"

There's still a market out there, considering what's on tv and streaming services. Which is often degenerate, but not lowest common

Hans "Dolph" Lundgren has more science credentials than Bill Nye the (((science))) gay. The real white version of fake niggenius-nigstrongman actually exists if you watch American Ninja Warrior

If it doesn't top $1 Billion domestic, it there is a chance that several studios might end up closing.

Here I thought the "Its raining (((men)))" was good in response to them attacking Moore

Blogger Koanic November 18, 2017 12:57 PM  

It's true, I should be more respectful of the no vulgarity rule. In the absence of finer moderation, it's probably improved things.

Gal Gadot seems nice from what little I've seen, but the replacement of white goddess with a Jewess goddess is obvious aesthetic genocide, and a shoddy statistical substitute. Whereas the Germanic beauty stands for justice and truth, the Ashkenazi represents feminism and communism. Of course they find the nicest one they can to sell that lie, just as Sarah Silverman uses her body as a weapon against the white Christ.

My face is public record, and I am not a vegan conehead.

Blogger VD November 18, 2017 1:33 PM  

Gal Gadot seems nice from what little I've seen, but the replacement of white goddess with a Jewess goddess is obvious aesthetic genocide, and a shoddy statistical substitute.

Gadot is probably more German than Linda Carter. Genetically, Ashkenazis are only half-Jews. The most recent DNA evidence increases their European DNA.

Blogger S1AL November 18, 2017 1:38 PM  

Not to mention that the Amazons are a Greek myth, not German, and Gadot is not far off from the Greek composite female.

Blogger Howard Stone November 18, 2017 1:38 PM  

Was not aware of the no vilgarity rule, will keep it in mind going forward.

Anonymous Ain November 18, 2017 1:39 PM  

"Getting slammed on Rotten Tomatoes by the critics (24% Top Critics / 39% All Critics) but 86% Audience Score."

Reviews from "the public" are highly shill-able.

Blogger S1AL November 18, 2017 1:48 PM  

Emmanuel, you really need to get over your homoerotic obsession with Supes.

Blogger VD November 18, 2017 1:51 PM  

If you're not going to read the review, Emmanual, don't comment on it. That would be as foolish and unethical as reviewing the movie without seeing it.

Give up the comics sperging already. It's tedious.

Blogger Koanic November 18, 2017 1:52 PM  

> Gadot is probably more German than Linda Carter.

She is not, in the ways that are relevant to this context: genetic distance and psycho-physiognomy. For example, a half-Bantu half-German is not really "more German" than a Swiss in an overall genetic or behavioral sense, but only if you disassemble him at the sub-cellular level.

I said Germanic, not German, to indicate a certain classical archetype, which Gadot's bone structure approaches enough to pass her off on the unwoke unwashed.

> Genetically, Ashkenazis are only half-Jews.

When I say "Jew" in this context and usually in general, I'm referring to Ashkenazis. The other ethnicities of Jew do not matter to white interests, at least not more than the Druze and the Kurds.

> The most recent DNA evidence increases their European DNA.

From a psycho-physiognomic perspective, we can treat "Ashkenazi" as a black box. Be it Khazar, repitilian or Sicilian, the outputs are known.

Anonymous FP November 18, 2017 1:55 PM  

Given what I've read about the production, its hard to blame this on anyone but the movie studio executives. Millions to remove a mustache digitally is funny though. That and thinking Joss Whedon could save your movie.

Blogger Matthew Funk November 18, 2017 2:12 PM  

It would appear that old "social justice league" 4 panel comic from years back was prophetic and the storyboard for an attempted blockbuster/

Anonymous Precious November 18, 2017 2:26 PM  

It happens so rarely that this blog and my major city left coast newspaper are in near unanimous agreement that it is worth mentioning it happened with this post.

It happens less often than a blue moon but more often then the end times and apocalypse. Only they didn't think Batman was fat so much as he was walking around in the equivalent of a three hundred pound fat suit.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 18, 2017 2:38 PM  

Interestingly no one else (Left , Right or Center) liked the movie either. I've not seen a single really positive review

That said, I'm fine with Gal Gadot cheesecake shots, bring it.

Also re: Gadot's as Wonderwoman , I like the recast , she's lovely and somewhat exotic with her classic Sabra looks and given where the Isle of the Amazons is in myth, it works for me. The personality is meh but she is interesting to look at.

By comparison Linda Carter while a feast for the eyes and ears back in the day always looked a little too Midwest American for me

Now a more literal cast might be powerfully built, with fair, almost milk white skin like the old European lineages , think an athletic female cousin of Milo if that makes any sense.

That would be a tough casting call though

As for Henry Caville , he has his moments when he play the Man of Steel and looks good but he just doesn't have enough screen presence . This is hardly unique to him, Kristanna Loken and Kristen Stewart from Twilight suffer from the same lack. The only time the later looks really interesting is in a perfume commercial!

Still I am going to pass which is a shame, pretty much every Superhero movie of late has kind of sucked . However Gifted isn't bad and I'll give the next season of Agents of Shield a looksee as well. That should fill any urge I have.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales November 18, 2017 2:44 PM  

@67

You need to get over believing bold faced lies without evidence uncritically, especially in the context of character power levels. Also, no, I'm not just obsessed with Superman. I'm obsessed with LOTS of superhero genre characters, including ones that could literally eat a given version of Superman you could name as though he were a snack. It's just that, for some reason, Superman gets a lot of flack for stuff he shouldn't (IE, the tired, trite OP thing) for some baffling reason and I have to correct the record against people who keep not getting it and won't get off the ride, you, apparently volunteering to be exhibit A.

@68

No, see, the people constantly saying 'Superman is OP' or 'Superman is a setting breaker even within the context of his own universe/multiverse,'are tedious. They are a special kind of tedious I've had to deal with for years. I do not like responding to them anymore than I like responding to people who dislike Mr. President or call you yourself racist, but I have to if for no other reason than to at least contest their blatant retardation.

Likewise, this review you quoted was tedious.

Alt-Hero, to anyone with half a brain is going to be tedious and worse, a tedious where nuke level characters would be considered setting breakers. I can already tell that much, though it's certainly going to be less tedious than any converged institution and it was worth it to fund it for the 'reees' and the grand hope it kills the big two alone.

I would love to stop sperging, but first, people need to stop saying things related to comics that are wrong at best or lies they know they're propagating at worse so that I don't have to contest them in the first place.

But, yeah, Justice League was a big meh, though only partially because of the reasons this guy mentioned.

Blogger S1AL November 18, 2017 2:50 PM  

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Blogger S1AL November 18, 2017 2:54 PM  

Your opinion of fictional characters is no more valid or valuable than anyone else's. Superman is boring, inconsistently written, and annoying.

Granted, that describes about half of the DCU, which is why I've always disliked DC. I'm not even close to being alone in that.

Note, this is also a big part of why Hulk and Thor are (ironically) the weakest standalone characters in the MCU. They can't be interesting, except in a world breaker setting, cause they just invalidate everything.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 18, 2017 2:54 PM  

No, we know Koanic. He's waaaaay too smart to be a real alt-Retard, especially Anglin.

Dave wrote:Lionsgate’s outreach to schools was yuge and the upcoming holiday weekend will certainly help as the buzz builds.
There are a lot of assumptions embedded in that line of thought. "Buzz" doesn't always help a movie. Buzz literally killed the first Hulk movie before the 3rd showing.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 18, 2017 2:59 PM  

Linda Carter seems awful European

Blogger Matt November 18, 2017 3:04 PM  

Meh

Still gonna see it

Blogger Matt November 18, 2017 3:12 PM  

Gal Gadot is Austrian-Jew, German-Jew, Polish-Jew, Czech-Jew.

But 100% HOT

I'll overlook the slight nosejob.

Blogger Matt November 18, 2017 3:13 PM  

I havent watched any od thr Netflix marvel shows, just clips on youtube. The pawnshop scene in Daredevil is better than anything in any superhero movie.

Blogger Shimshon November 18, 2017 4:03 PM  

"Gadot is probably more German than Linda Carter. Genetically, Ashkenazis are only half-Jews. The most recent DNA evidence increases their European DNA."

It's true. I can easily pass for one of you.

Of course, Italians also have Levantine DNA.

Anonymous Bertram November 18, 2017 4:19 PM  

Remember when Hollywood used to throw in some nonwhite faces among the villains? They've become so cowardly as of late, fearing any criticism whatsoever. Well anyway this movie will lose a ton of money, so we can all be happy about that.

Anonymous BBGKB November 18, 2017 4:27 PM  

It would appear that old "social justice league" 4 panel comic from years back was prophetic and the storyboard for an attempted blockbuster

http://www.gynostar.com/archives/comic/the-just-us-league For years I thought it was a parody of Feminism, only realizing after TRUMP won.

Blogger VD November 18, 2017 4:33 PM  

Alt-Hero, to anyone with half a brain is going to be tedious and worse, a tedious where nuke level characters would be considered setting breakers. I can already tell that much, though it's certainly going to be less tedious than any converged institution and it was worth it to fund it for the 'reees' and the grand hope it kills the big two alone.

I'll bet you 12 free 24-page comics against your public admission that you're wrong that you don't find Alt-Hero to be tedious after you read the first three issues.

I don't write tedious. Even my 900-page novels aren't tedious. My comics won't be either.

Blogger Skyler the Weird November 18, 2017 5:04 PM  

I saw it last night. Steppenwolf was terrible CGI. All the fight scenes save Wonder Woman vs the far right non Muslim terrorists in Paris looked like cut scenes from Halo or Starcraft.

Blogger DJ | AMDG November 18, 2017 5:16 PM  

One might say using the word ‘tedious’ six times in six sentences is...uninspired, monotonous, tiresome, insipid, or otherwise just dull.

That being said, I agree with you regarding talking power levels. It’s silly. The best boxing analysts only mention the tale of the tape because they know so much more about a boxer will write the fight story to unfold.

But talking about power levels in the context of the story is completely valid, and that’s what we have here. If the story is the invasion of Earth by Steppenwolf, armed with three Mother Boxes and an army of Parademons, seemingly with the full support of Darkseid and all of Apokolips, then I am not wrong to complain how boring it is that Superman alone saves the day, without taking a single blow or breaking either his perfect smile or even a sweat.

Further, I wouldn’t call this a movie review as much as guy who loves comic book superheroes sharing his opinion of a superhero movie with friends. A movie review should address more than characterization. Critiquing plot, pacing, and performance is required.

Plot: Way too much going on! Introduction of three new heroes. The origin story of the famed Justice League. The invasion of Earth by the forces of Apokolips. The (after) Death & Rebirth of Superman. None of which were done well at all aside from the inclusion of Cyborg made even better by the spot on performance of his actor, Ray Fisher.

Performances: Again, short of Fisher’s, and maybe Gadot’s considering what the writers gave her to work with, the actors were terrible. Cavill has two expressions. Stupid smile and “Batman? Batman!? He’s looking angry!” The kid who played the Flash had one expression! “OMG!” It wasn’t even complex enough to qualify as “oh my god.” No. Omg says it all. And Jason Mamoa and Ben Affleck? Asterisk, sigh, asterisk cannot say enough.

Pacing? It requires suspense, tension, conflict and an ever growing build of problem and opportunity, of successes and failures. This movie had none of that. It was on. It was off. The heroes lose and lose and lose again. And even in raising Superman they still believe they’ve lost. They go to the final battle pretty sure they’re going to lose except...Superman.

And we’re back to the power levels in context complaint, of which I am not wrong.

So, I guess I’ll concede you’re right in your last statement. Justice League was a big meh BECAUSE of all the reasons I mentioned AND a bunch of others.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 18, 2017 5:17 PM  

Is it possible that the Marvel and DC sales numbers are significantly inflated? I just can't imagine people paying to read or watch this stuff.

Blogger Dave November 18, 2017 5:28 PM  

One might say using the word ‘tedious’ six times in six sentences is...uninspired, monotonous, tiresome, insipid, or otherwise just dull.

The Tedious One is getting off lightly with a public admission of falsity. What say you, Oh Tedious One, care to raise the stakes?

Blogger Koanic November 18, 2017 8:20 PM  

> But 100% HOT

Ashkenazi have far too much European DNA to avoid producing some attractive daughters. Of course, the granddaughters are subject to reversion to the mean.

Blogger Rashadjin November 18, 2017 10:23 PM  

@74 Emmanuel Mateo-Morales

You need to get over believing bold faced lies without evidence uncritically, especially in the context of character power levels.

Okay, you asked for it.

Your first problem is that you think your viewpoint and value set are inherently superior to all others (hence, Sups is your beau as he's the avatar of inherent superiority). Which leads into your second problem whereby you think the inherent superiority of your viewpoint and value set is so obvious that everyone else sees it too, so anyone who suggests otherwise is obviously lying.

But no, actually, people complain about Superman being OP because it means he's punching down, the child squishing any ants that deviant from the approved lines of behavior. That's not heroic in any sense, but some pretend it is because they see God as a kid squishing unruly ants (hence conflating Superman with Jesus).

People complain about Superman's personality because he's cast as a mild-mannered boy scout when Clark Kent and then a generic avatar of good and justice as Superman. Part of the anti-hero craze is a reaction to characters like Superman being polished clean of any flaws (at least as much as the writers can manage). The problem with Gary Stues like Superman is that they're boring given that the character's personal conflicts only come from somehow failing to save someone or fighting off those pesky emotions that might make them human. As much as some people idealize such a thing, others can't relate to such an artificial construct (hence, boring). On that note - sure, they've been mixing up Superman's personality more these days, but the typecast holds.

To suss out an underlying thread from the previous, Superman is the avatar of the Churchian formulation of good and justice. I call it sacrificing at the altar of your conscience because the answer is to never get your hands dirty by never making the hard choice to end a life in order to save another or otherwise stop evil. So Superman is mostly about pacifying evil and locking it up until evil learns the error of its ways. It's the utopian sense that bad people are either broken or misguided or, at worst, embodiments of chaos and destruction - forces of nature or malevolent beasts more than people. They dress it up plenty, but the hero isn't really allowed to sully his honor and dignity by having to kill actual people. And if he does, it kind of breaks them for a while. Batman has that same problem when it comes down to it. Most of DC does.

Having 'heroes' that sacrificing at the altar of their conscience means that its almost always left to fate to kill the really bad people and make the world safe. It's that iconic scene where the hero reaches out to catch the villain but only to have the villain slip through their fingers and fall down the cliff to their justly earned death. Or the building falls on them. Or their doomsday device blows up in their face. Or... (Spoiler: I hate this so much.)

Which is the progtard idea that the natural arc history (that is, innate human nature and progress) is always on the side of good and justice (by which we mean their present formulation of 'good' and 'justice'). When a progtard says such a thing, they imagine fate will step in so they don't have to get their hands dirty just like it does for DC heroes. They imagine Superman's inevitable victory because he's Superman, that is, the embodiment of innate superiority, good and justice. Which, of course, they imagine themselves to be too. (See: Obama)

Blogger Rashadjin November 18, 2017 10:24 PM  

Continuing @91 RE:Emmanuel Mateo-Morales

Your bit on nuke-level heroes is cute too. It's a nod to you being a plot-centric type, but it's also a nod to a fascination and worship of power in and of itself. The point for you is the ability to punch someone in the face harder than anyone else, which is basically Superman's whole motif. If the previous punch to the face didn't work, dig into that innate superiority (sun energy and/or self-righteous feelz and/or determination[fate]) and punch harder, which then somehow works. Your excitement is based around the escalation of power confrontations, because the power trip is your drug of choice. DragonBall Z is designed around just this thing.

So you're not sperging so much as venting your egotistical myopia against anyone who might impugn your innate sense of superiority (which is delusional, by the by).

Oh, and it's a wounded ego that makes you say Alt✯Hero and all and sundry are obviously so tedious. Vox was a bit silly to make his bet on you changing your mind, because it's obviously not about the quality of Alt✯Hero since you haven't gotten the actual comics in your hands. So much for not 'believing bold faced lies without evidence uncritically', eh?

And if you don't like this picture of yourself, then maybe you should learn to play a new character.

Blogger Greg Hunt November 18, 2017 11:33 PM  

You just described Melkor in Tolkien's Silmarillion.

Blogger Matt November 19, 2017 1:42 AM  

I just saw it. DJ's review was pulled out of his rectum. It was more enjoyable than the Avengers, which, if you exclude the Hulk Smash scenes, was pretty boring. Downey Jr. gets annoying fast. It was also shorter, though probably would have benefitted from 10-15 minutes extra. The funny parts were funnier than all of the "funny" scenes in the Marvel movies, save for Ant-Man, which I thi k is the best one.

Batman is supposed to be over the hill. Not young and spry. But he still kicks ass against para demons and I'm sure will be the only one to ever evade the OMEGA BEAM.

The Flash is just shy of being annoting, but he's not gut wrenching Millenial, up-talking annoying. Hes just a loser who has a gift.

Cyborg was excellently casted and plays the straight man very well.

Jason Momoa is great as Aquaman and id this movie is any indication, his solo will be very good. The funniest scene involves him.

Gal Gadot is so hot.

Superman has more personality than in the other 2 movies, and since there are several main characters, there's not enough time to dwell on any one, so annoying quirks or boring scenes didnt drag on. No one is a whiney baby formore than a few seconds, and Affleck is great as Batman. His Bruce Wayne is still very in charge, despite feeling like he's out of place amongst superpowered beings. Where they get lost in themselves, taking their powers for granted, Batman grounds them, as a reminder to just do the job. He is old and has nothing but his job.

Gal Gadot is so flippin hot.

If they are leaning more.towards a Silver Age Superman, that's good. Emo Superman was awful. Silver Age Superman is zaney and smiles ay the camera. If he had looked right into the camera when smiling at the end of Man of Steel, after saying "Glad to be here, Lois" it would have made up for some of the absolute horror that movie was. A nod to the original Superman movies, which made you feel happy when watching as a kid.

I got the sense that they really took a look at what worked in the 20+ years of Bruce Timm DC cartoons, and having Danny Elfman score it was a great decision. He incorporated some of his original Batman theme, and for a few seconds, the John Williams Superman theme. I left with the JLA cartoon theme in my head, from the few iconic team shots they had. If WB is smart, theyll ditch Matt Reeves, and beg Affleck to stay in for one more JLA and a solo Batman, heavy on the detective aspect, brutalizing rapists and child molesters. And HOT GAL GADOT for good measure. She is so damn sexy. Her thick hair was down in some scenes, and oh man...

Gal Gadot is so fjjekdjrjrjdjddjsksksking sexy.

Steppenwolf wasn't as lame as he's made out to be in various reviews. He wasn't easily dispatched. He kicked their asses until Superman showed up.

The Wonder Woman kicking ass scene in the beginning was great. Very well done. Plus it had Roose Bolton.

The CGI definitely could have been better. Henry Cavill had to keep a moustache for some crazy contractual reason, so they removed it digitally and it did look a little odd, but you dont care while watching.

THE ONLY THING that really pissed me off, was the shaved head white guy accosting a Muslim woman store owner in Metropolis, for obvious reasons. Apart from those obvious reasons, its just an unrealistic portrayal of the problems facing the average major metropolitan city. We don't have Nazi-stompers tossing garbage cans. Also, he was wearing a heavy metal sweatshirt, which appeared to say Maga Horde, in typical death metal font. Very lame. After the disgusting propoganda-filled pre movie commercials that aired, I had to stomach that crap. But thats all there was. The rest was just GAL GADOT'S SWEET ASS CHEEKS IN MY FACE MORE THAN ONCE

GAL GADOT IS SO FREAKIN HOT.

How hot?

Let me put it to you this way.

If Gal Gadot was on top, and stopped midway to pi--

Blogger Koanic November 19, 2017 2:10 AM  

It's a bit early, but aren't you excited for the sequel? The Aryan genocide demon rides again, a resurrected Steppenwolf threshing untermensch from sea to shining sea, while false gods bleed and scream. Together, they are not enough.

Blogger AdognamedOp November 19, 2017 4:54 AM  

I only had to read the paid shill reviews on IMBD to know the movie was gonna suck. But.., I knew the movie was gonna suck so I probably didn't need to read those reviews.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 19, 2017 5:31 AM  

My own take on Justice League.

After these first three films, Marvel was in the fantastic position of having it's fans basically demanding that the studio make The Avengers.

Justice League on the other hand was created to be force fed to movie goers by a studio that has never really had a bone deep handle on the property it owns. The movie didn't have any indepth characters. It only had some thumbnail sketches, established with as much cinematic shorthand as possible. As I've said repeatedly, Warner Brothers gets Bugs Bunny on an instinctive level, they don't have a clue about Superman. Consequently Warner was looking for a man on horseback to lead them boxoffice safety and sadly found Zack Snyder.

A devout Randite Objectivist, Snyder was a terrible choice for helming a project that featured an optimistic, idealistic, hopeful and selfless hero. Snyder is driven by stoic philosophy with devout atheism at it's core. It made him a great director for 300 and an okay director for Watchmen. True Watchmen wasn't a hit but he was true to the story that Moore wrote. He seriously didn't understand Superman, not even a little bit. Jonathon Kent's battlecry was, "don't get involved." Martha Kent's was, "you don't owe these people a damn thing." Snyder's Superman reflected those values. He fought General Zod because he didn't have much choice in the matter. Sure the visuals were great but these days the visuals are always great. Man of Steel was as unfeeling as a hunk of metal.

That was carried over into Batman Vs Superman. Now Snyder was a lot more comfortable with Batman. In someways he had a better handle on the character than Christopher Nolan did. Batman actually did a lot Batman stuff. Sure, he was more homicidal but there is precedent for that with Batman. Dark and brooding is something Snyder excels at.

Blogger tz November 19, 2017 10:36 PM  

One indication of SJW dotage is The Destruction of the Aesthetic

This was the genius of Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead". Consider it a prequel to "Atlas Shrugged" when no one will stand athwart history and say "fire!". Or at least vandalize the tracks sufficiently to cause derailment.

While not unexpected, that NR would actually find something noble in the pile of manure ("there must be a pony in here somewhere"?) shows that cuckservatives are useless everywhere on all levels.

Blogger Thucydides November 20, 2017 12:24 AM  

Both Warner and DC seem to have forgotten (or perhaps in the case of the studio, never understood) the major theme of the DC comic universe was "Gods becoming men".

Instinctively we understand that Superman is a pagan god or demigod, and only has an interest in the Earth and its inhabitants because of a accident of history and his upbringing on Earth. There is no reason at any time that he can't simply walk away, or for that matter, rule the Earth himself with an iron fist (and not even having to rely on armies of henchmen, ilk or even VFM's.....). So the potential setup is fascinating, *why not* walk away, since it doesn't affect you, or take over, because, realistically, who will stop you?

But since studio movies seem to have been written and made for the lowest common denominator, no one is bothering to explore those themes. Maybe when they crash, a new generation of film makers will use today's availability of inexpensive, high quality movie equipment and software to do that instead.

Anonymous dtungsten November 20, 2017 9:05 PM  

Correction: (((Superman))).

Blogger Duke of Earl November 24, 2017 1:51 AM  

My own opinion of Justice League was that it had potential. If Joss Whedon had had it from the beginning, and been able to shape the character paths correctly, then it might well have been better than Avengers. Unfortunately Zack Snyder had his way with it first, and Joss could only patch some of the worst leaks. Because of deadlines the CGI wasn't correctly finished, leaving it rough around the edges.

Joss's Superman smiles. He's meant to. Superman and Captain America are meant to have the same sort of ideals, just one has godlike power, and the other is Superman.

I liked Affleck's grouchy old Batman, Cyborg was good, Jason Momoa could play a good Aquaman with some better material. Gal Gadot seems perfectly cast as Wonder Woman, and Henry Cavill has the look to play Superman, it's just this is the first movie where he's actually been asked to play Superman. Whatshisname who plays Flash is apparently an SJW type in real life, but he didn't annoy me too much in the movie. Still prefer television Flash.

The story was paint by numbers. Unfortunately DC seem to lack much in the way of imagination. It's basically the same as Man of Steel or Suicide Squad.

So, likable characters, but not much story around them. I really wish Zack Snyder had never been allowed near the DC universe.

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