Monday, November 27, 2017

Social media veto at UT

I don't see how the University of Tennessee football program is likely to benefit from its decision to back out of hiring my fellow Bucknellian Greg Schiano because people were shrieking about it on social media:
As detailed by SI’s Bruce Feldman, the University of Tennessee on Sunday backed out of a deal to hire Ohio State defensive coordinator Greg Schiano as its next head football coach. The two sides reportedly signed a “memorandum of understanding” or MOU. As explained below, an MOU for a college coach is a formal record of the understanding between the coach and the school as to the key terms and conditions under which the university would employ the coach. Could Schiano sue the university for breach of contract, fraud or other claims? If all of the necessary parties signed an MOU, the answer would be yes.

Tennessee’s football program is in disarray after a season in which the team finished 4–8 and winless in SEC play. Earlier this month, the school fired head coach Butch Jones. The firing was not a surprise, but that the school would target Schiano—best known as head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Rutgers before his time in Columbus—to replace Jones was surprising.

Schiano has a controversial reputation, in part due to his time as Penn State’s defensive backs coach in the early ’90s under former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, who is currently serving a lengthy prison sentence for sexually abusing young boys. In a 2015 deposition for a civil suit between the school and its insurance company concerning the payouts to Sandusky’s victims, another former Penn State assistant coach, Mike McQueary, testified he had heard through another coach that Schiano had recounted witnessing Sandusky molest a boy. In interviews with media, Schiano has denied the allegation, and he was never charged or otherwise implicated by any other party in the lengthy litigation of the Sandusky scandal.
I'm not a particular fan of Schiano, as I wasn't impressed with his performance in Tampa Bay, but what high-caliber coach is going to want to go anywhere near Tennessee now? It's been established that the authorities will bow promptly to the whims of the sufficiently vocal, so what coach smart enough to have options would want to go anywhere near that maelstrom of lunacy?

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Blogger OGRE November 27, 2017 8:46 PM  

Schiano had a chance to make a real legacy for himself while at Rutgers. Can't really fault him for the move to the NFL, but if he had more foresight--or payed closer attention to the careers of Spurrier and Petrino--he could have stayed at Rutgers and built it into a strong program. He could have been to Rutgers what Paterno was to Penn State--just without the kiddy diddling.

Anonymous Eduardo the Magnificent November 27, 2017 8:48 PM  

Tennessee already had the problem of unrealistic expectations (like most of the SEC, anything short of a Natty will get you canned). With this move, it's obvious the inmates (fans and boosters) run the asylum. The problem with firing your coach every three years is eventually you run out of other people's money. Payouts to fired coaches, not players, is going to be the death of college football.

Anonymous franklinjennings November 27, 2017 8:49 PM  

What high caliber coach would consider Tennessee in the first place?

Blogger SemiSpook37 November 27, 2017 8:53 PM  

As I mentioned in another forum, the SJWs are using the association with Sandusky as an easy excuse to not hire Schiano. Personally, I agree with Vox in that Schiano's tenure in Tampa Bay was nothing to write home about (although, to be honest, attempting to micromanage professional divas is a bad idea no matter what the performance environment is, and let's not forget that there was a huge outbreak of MRSA they had to deal with in Tampa on his watch).

The only reason he was ever even remotely taken seriously was that he made Rutgers look only mediocre, though they've rightly regressed to the perennial dumpster fire that most of the country has been accustomed to for decades. It saddens me that the only reason that school is even in the Big Ten is for all of the NJ alums of (mostly) Penn State to have access to those conference broadcasts.

Also, don't get me started on the whole "Schiano Man" joke...

Blogger Chris Mallory November 27, 2017 8:57 PM  

When did fans and alumni become "SJW"? The video of the crowd protesting on campus was of white guys in UT orange and past years championship gear and blonde women.

How dare fans and alumni have objective standards. I guess they should have just rolled over and listened to their masters in the athletic department.

Blogger James Dixon November 27, 2017 9:01 PM  

He made Rutgers respectable, which is more than any other head coach has been able to do. That said, I don't any chance he could have been successful at Tennessee. He needs a job with lower expectations and where his baggage won't count against him as much.

Blogger Silly but True November 27, 2017 9:10 PM  

I never found Schiano credible. Mind you, I don't think McCreary is really any more credible, but I think they both dodged serious bullets.

Anonymous Rfvujm November 27, 2017 9:28 PM  

They're so progressive, maybe they can hire a female coach. Or a tranny. Something that will earn them a lot of Diversity Pokémon Points.

Anonymous Baseball Savant November 27, 2017 9:43 PM  

Clay Travis spearheaded the outcry to not hire Schiano. He doesn't strike me as the SJW type. There is a lot of people in the media who are saying this was a SJW move based on Schiano's involvement in the Sandusky stuff, but that isn't the case. Travis doesn't want Schiano because he thinks he sucks as a football coach and that there are a lot of other guys Tennessee could get that would be a lot better coaches & a lot better fits. I'm a pretty big college football fan and I can tell you that Schiano is a marginal upgrade over Butch Jones. I have no skin in the game (I'm a Notre Dame fan in Indiana) but the Vols could do a lot better & deserve better to be honest. Going out and hiring Lane Kiffin back would be a better move then handing the reigns to Schiano.

I think the point with Travis is that this is thought to be a crappy hire on football merits, and if we can talk about his ties to Sandusky then all the better. I think Travis would do anything to not have Schiano be the head coach at UT.

Anonymous High tech Redneck November 27, 2017 9:44 PM  

It wasn't SJWs, it was normal fans and alumni. Schiano was handpicked by Jimmy Haslam, mega-donor, owner of the Cleveland Browns, and brother of TN governor and notorious NeverTrumper Bill Haslam. The Haslams' fingerprints are all over every failure of the UT athletic department over the last decade, so the torpedoing of Schiano was the reaction of a fanbase that's had enough.

Anonymous Watchu talkin bout Willis November 27, 2017 9:53 PM  

Appears college football needs a good dose of what fans are doing to the NFL. A pox on all of it. Burn, salt, repeat.

Is there any institution SJW's won't try to destroy?

Wait...don't answer that.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 27, 2017 9:54 PM  

There's some really interesting angles to this, and it might be the first time we've seen actions sold as "SJW", when it was really just ass-covering.

Schiano would have been a bad hire. Guy made a low-level program competent, then bombed out of the NFL. All while pissing off pretty much everyone he's ever coached, but he's a really good coordinator that can work well under other coaches.

But the interesting thing is the way the Sports Media has circled the wagons. The Penn State stuff is all hearsay, but while there's no way around that taint right now, that doesn't mean he's a good hire. Which is the really interesting angle. Sports Media likes Schiano (great quote? feeds insider information?), so the wagon circling approach is very interesting in nature.

As @9 points out, this is mostly a Clay Travis-headed event, but he's also the most powerful sports guy in the state. He's got real clout there and Tennessee, for being something of a low SEC program, makes a LOT of money. They can hire anyone that'll take their money, and they didn't try to poach an up & comer?

This was a Haslam job? That might explain this.

Blogger Eric Wilson November 27, 2017 9:59 PM  

Agree with Baseball Savant. Clay Travis was completely opposed to Schiano. Which is an opinion I agree with. I'm not sure that every hiring decision is related to SJWs. I really like Travis, and he's definitely not an SJW. So Bucknell aside, I have to wonder why VD thinks Schiano would be a good choice for UT.

Anonymous JAG November 27, 2017 10:02 PM  

Rfvujm wrote:They're so progressive, maybe they can hire a female coach. Or a tranny. Something that will earn them a lot of Diversity Pokémon Points.

Tranny cheerleaders are coming. There is simply no way SJWs can leave that alone. I'm just surprised they haven't already done it at the NFL level.

Anonymous Bob November 27, 2017 10:03 PM  

SJWs??? He abetted a peepee toucher.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 27, 2017 10:03 PM  

It should be noted that Clay Travis also started the "Fire Butch Jones" trend earlier. Clay is a moderate, but he's good in the Sports space. (He's considered Pro-Trump because he's not Anti-Trump; joys of current Media environment.) So the guy that got the previous coach fired also corralled enough support to prevent what was likely a bad hire.

Can see what he was up to there. This is really more #GG than SJW attack. UT has a big fan base (and lots of money), so they have options. This was a terrible one.

But it's interesting that the Sports Media is playing it up in fairly specific ways. Do they view "SJW attacks" as an acceptable narrative, while "consumers revolt at stupid leadership" as a dangerous one?

Blogger beerme November 27, 2017 10:07 PM  

@9 and @10 are correct. If anything, Clay Travis and the normie Tennessee fans Gamergated them after the Haslams and the AD tried to shove another shit sandwich in the faces of the long suffering fanbase. Schiano's association with Pedo State was just the lever used to apply pressure.

Look at the number of mainstream commentators such as Peter King, Kirk Herbstreit and Dan Wetzel among others piling on the fanbase for not wanting him.

Anonymous High tech Redneck November 27, 2017 10:29 PM  

I forgot to mention that I was not terribly opposed to Schiano until the media began their gaslighting campaign last night. I wasn't really for him either but my opinion against him hardened once the usual suspects began piling on.

This revolt has very little to do with SJW but rather bears a lot of similarity to the presidential election. The fans got sick of the mediocrity produced by an athletic department that is apparently owned by a small cadre of unaccountable super wealthy donors and the fans made their feelings known in a very public way.

Blogger Wayne November 27, 2017 10:35 PM  

I hear that Bret Bielema is available.

Blogger DJ | AMDG November 27, 2017 10:35 PM  

I didn’t read Vox say he would be a good choice. He did say that the the public message was that SJWs killed the deal, and that UT has indicated they will bow to that kind of pressure. For all you saying not hiring him was a better choice or that Travis killed the deal, if that’s so then why offer him the job in the first place? Why sign an MOU? If Travis has so much clout, you don’t think UT would have cleared the initial offer through him before making it?

No. Someone at UT football wanted him, and if Travis has as much clout as you say they wouldn’t have announced the deal to begin with...without Travis’ support. This result stinks of politics, not winning football.

Blogger Lazarus November 27, 2017 10:37 PM  

JAG wrote:Tranny cheerleaders are coming.

Yah, maybe. If they like to be booed or jeered. Booing or jeering isn't illegal yet.

Anonymous Kolya November 27, 2017 10:40 PM  

So proud of my Vol Nation. Down two scores, the jerk Schiano had his Tampa defensive line bull rush during a kneel down. One could tell his defensive line was embarrassed at having to do this. One player described life under his reign as like living in Cuba.

There is one word that describes this jerk, CLASSLESS.

Been a Vol fan since the days of Dewey Warren and Hal Wantland.

Go with Leech from WSU, Frost from UCF, even Bielema or Kiffin, then fire the AD.

Anonymous Anonymous November 27, 2017 10:42 PM  

I'm in SEC country, and when I heard Schiano and Tennessee in the same sentence, I couldn't believe it. The Vols have been a dumpster fire since they ran Fulmer off, and they need a big name with a big resume and a big reputation to rebuild the program. That'll involve opening up the checkbook. Schiano would have been a disaster. They weren't able to coax Chucky away from his sweet TV gig, but that's the kind of guy they need to hire.

This was pure grassroots. Travis didn't start it -- he just gave it a wider voice. It was reminiscent of Phil Valentine getting his listeners to circle the statehouse honking their horns when they tried mess with the state income tax and stopped the tax deal in its tracks.

Blogger Skyler the Weird November 27, 2017 10:50 PM  

Hire Hugh Freeze. He's only been linked to hookers.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 27, 2017 11:01 PM  

@20 DJ | AMDG

#10's point this might be a Haslam back-scratching deal would make some sense, as this seemed really odd. I keep up with Clay a little because he's funny and takes shots at ESPN all the time. And he was notably beside himself over this, and then wrangle together some direction for where to put pressure. Which worked.

The thing we need to watch for is that this wasn't an SJW mob. This was a #GG-style consumer/fan revolt, which the Sports Media is trying to run a narrative that it was a SJW mob. This might be either a strange blip or a watershed moment, but this is something we need to watch closely. Is this a cover tactic to appease the Left? Is this tactic to hide the #GG approach? Is it just Sports Media trying to cover that the UT fans weren't happy for quite legitimate reasons?

Anonymous Kolya November 27, 2017 11:07 PM  

SJW's had ZERO to do with this Schiano firestorm, only fans seeking a return to teams like the 85 and 98 teams.

Beerme, your spot on.

Blogger R Doom November 27, 2017 11:11 PM  

You forget that coaches get ridiculously huge bonuses when fired (at UC Berkeley, one of their most highly paid employees is a coach fired a few years ago). So, a coach looking to retire, will go there, get a contract that gives him a huge bonus for early termination...then ticks off the crazies.

Anonymous Bobby November 27, 2017 11:31 PM  

Had absolutely nothing to do with sjws. It was lead by common folks and republican politicans in the state. In fact the trolls whining about this decision to recind are nearly all libs talking about country bumpkin white trash and why Republicans that came out against this don't talk Roy moore as well.

Way off base vox

Blogger Edgar Abbey November 27, 2017 11:37 PM  

Others who mentioned this above are correct. The rejection of Greg Schiano had nothing to do with SJWs and everything to do with Clay Travis. This is a man who went on CNN and point blank told the female host that the only things he believes in completely are the First Amendment and boobs. This is not a man who is sympathetic to the cause of SJWs. Tennessee fans were expecting a splash hire like Jon Gruden, so they were just disappointed when they heard it was going to be Schiano.

Blogger beerme November 27, 2017 11:38 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:The thing we need to watch for is that this wasn't an SJW mob. This was a #GG-style consumer/fan revolt, which the Sports Media is trying to run a narrative that it was a SJW mob. This might be either a strange blip or a watershed moment, but this is something we need to watch closely. Is this a cover tactic to appease the Left? Is this tactic to hide the #GG approach? Is it just Sports Media trying to cover that the UT fans weren't happy for quite legitimate reasons?
Don't forget that Schiano spent time working at ESPN following his stint with the Bucs. The media protects their own.

I think this was the perfect storm of a spectacularly bad candidate combined with a pissed off fan base that found something that could overcome major donor $. I can't see this type of thing happening for coaches on the way in, but could easily see this working on coaches the fans want out. I guess we'll find out the next time a big program tries to roll out a mediocre retread as their head coach against the will of their fanbase.

Anonymous Bobby November 27, 2017 11:39 PM  

Not to mention all the whining today is being carried out by the ESPN and their soyboys commenators. As we know big critics of sjws.

This threads premise is so nuts it really makes me wonder about other content on here.

Blogger Lazarus November 27, 2017 11:50 PM  

From the story link:

While the main criticism of Schiano stemmed from the implication he knew in some way about Sandusky molesting children...

Now. All you people saying it was not related to this......are you saying the characterization of the journalist writing the story was wrong? That it was not "the main criticism"?

Just curious.

Blogger allyn71 November 28, 2017 12:01 AM  

Thing is, especially for second-tier SEC teams, the fact that this happened precludes them from getting a proven quality hire. They may catch lightning in a bottle when they inevitably end up hiring an unknown but the odds are not good. Time is running out, this is prime recruiting season.

SEC fans are unrealistic and if this keeps up they will be the 4th best conference in college football. PAC 12, Big 10, and soon ACC will have better coaching top to bottom than SEC right now. It is going to catch up to them.

Blogger DJ | AMDG November 28, 2017 12:17 AM  

Now that seems legit.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 28, 2017 12:23 AM  

Tranny cheerleaders are coming. There is simply no way SJWs can leave that alone. I'm just surprised they haven't already done it at the NFL level.

Are you sure the Cardinals and Ravens haven't already done that?

Blogger Akulkis November 28, 2017 12:35 AM  

The SJWs already run most of the universities, especially the administrative office, which is what ALL hiring goes through.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 28, 2017 1:08 AM  

The only proof necessary to see this wasn't SJWs:

They were against pedophilia.

Blogger Nostromo November 28, 2017 1:10 AM  

The college sports world is in the throes of a revolution, and it's dollars against standards. The dollar is going to win because of human nature. Living in Louisville I have seen up close to what that can lead. UL is trying to expel the moral cancer that was consuming a lot of their leadership, including the school president. He is/was embroiled in financial shenanigans. The AD ran the town as a despot. Coaches paying players, hiring underage hookers for players and their fathers, a cheerleader died in the room of a football player from a drug overdose and no one was punished!! There were the rumors that never got reported of even worse stuff. The BB coach and sex on the table of a restaurant, paid for an abortion, was blackmailed by the woman, and he was finally canned after the FBI caught hi on tape arrange for a player to receive $100,000.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 28, 2017 1:28 AM  

The SEC is a giant roll off dumpster full of gasoline in the middle of the SJW lightning storm, it's too black and too big a target money wise.

Blogger Antony November 28, 2017 2:21 AM  

Slightly ot - but I know you like football, so here are some real football fans from Greece fighting with islamists ! ;

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky November 28, 2017 3:02 AM  

I figure that a coaching contract with Tennessee can fetch $25-30 million. Easy. Just one notch below the NFL. With more perks, too.

So, who is going to line up for such a gig? Just about every football whore in town, that's who.

Blogger allyn71 November 28, 2017 4:00 AM  

Top end coaches are getting 7-9 mil/year with bonuses. There will be 2-3 jobs that pay as much or more than Tennessee will this year. When you fire a coach every 2-3 years you are burning them up faster than you can find quality replacements.

This is why the renegging on the Schiano deal is so bad. The few guys that might be interested are going to want to stay away from the crazy train. If in doubt they will wait it out. There will be another job next year at a school that they won't have to worry about for the same money with more realistic expectations. UT isn't going to win anyone over on $ alone.

Blogger bobby November 28, 2017 4:01 AM  

The content of many of the comments on this post speaks well of this blog and this blogger.

I've seen people on other sites referring to the commentariat of this site as blind followers - yes-men, as it were - who chime in behind Vox and curry favor.

But in reality, when people have reason to disagree, nobody holds back. Most don't even bother to tone down.

As I said, this speaks well of the author, blog, and community.

Blogger Freddy November 28, 2017 4:23 AM  

Vox has insecurity issues.

Blogger Tuatha November 28, 2017 4:30 AM  

If could these I would:

1. Outlaw all churches/temples and bibles. Halt the printing or selling thereof of "holy scripture" and sentence any religious individuals to the middle of Greenland.

2. Outlaw the democratic system of multiple parties and install the one-party dictatorship America truly deserves. Erase the constitution and forget the ways of the American rebellion which ultimately stems from Enlightenment ideals of "free speech" and "muh human rights". Only those in power can determine the truth.

3. No equality for the lower castes. Nigs, gooks, rednecks, injuns, kikes, the stubborn elderly [anyone over 40 who abides by "we of the people" thinking] and such other ahistoric rubbish shall be sentenced to the meat grinder so that hungry dogs can finally be fed.

Blogger James Dixon November 28, 2017 5:47 AM  

> They can hire anyone that'll take their money, and they didn't try to poach an up & comer?

I'm sure Dana Holgorsen would jump at the chance to coach in the SEC. Oh, you want a good head coach, not a good offensive coordinator? Never mind.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 28, 2017 6:29 AM  

Vox this is stupid. 99% of the UT fans hated this hire.

As Andy Staples points out, the national media are the ones acting like converged SJWs in this case:

Another issue Sunday was what appeared to be an effort by some of the most influential voices in college football’s media corps to tell Tennessee fans to shut up and accept the hire. Whether this was because those people believe Schiano to be a great coach or because they want to stay on the good side of agent Jimmy Sexton is irrelevant. It came off as people in our business talking down to our customers who already had made their decision on the issue. We do that often. I’m just as guilty of this as anyone, and Sunday’s events should make all of us step back and consider listening to our customers a little more.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club November 28, 2017 6:41 AM  

at UC Berkeley, one of their most highly paid employees is a coach fired a few years ago

All the highest paid people at Cal are coaches or former coaches. They're some of the best-paid employees (or former employees) in the entire state, and this is one of the biggest reasons why arguing that college sports are a respectable alternative to the NFL and NBA is positively absurd.

Anonymous p-dawg November 28, 2017 7:16 AM  

@Tuatha: Sounds like you got a lot of work to do. Better get started.

Blogger Nate November 28, 2017 7:17 AM  

holy shit.


No. The revolt was led by Clay Travis. The Clay Travis that went on CNN and said "The only two things in life that have never let me down are the First Amendment and Boobs."


No. This has nothing to do with SJWs and everything to do with a fan base that is sick to death of administrative incompetence. UT is a great job. They didn't get Kelly or Mullen... but that doesn't mean Mike Leach, Les Miles, and tons of other accomplished coaches won't go there. For one thing UT can throw boat loads of money at them... and they'll have facilities that are better than pretty much anyone else's in the nation outside of Alabama.

I don't know where you got this SJW thing. But you could not possibly be more wrong.

This was not an SJW hissy fit. This was the GamerGate of sports.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 28, 2017 7:49 AM  

@32 Lazarus

Schiano made a small D1 program not-suck, then added like a class-less hack when couching Tampa Bay. But he's a really good subordinate to a lot of good coaches. Guy has the Wade Philips problem: good to great coordinated, terrible HC.

The stuff with Penn State just taints the matter.

Schiano is the one that did this: Our opinion of NFL players can be low, but even they all hated Schiano.

@50 Nate

I think what they're probably most scared about in the Sports Media is that this was a social media organized protest. And it happened in the course of minutes. This has to scare the Gatekeepers when one of their "friends" can easily be countermanned that hard.

Also, there is always several up & coming coaches in smaller D1 or D2 programs you can take a flier on. Just put them on a lower severance package since you have leverage. And I believe Tennessee fans would be happy with Les Miles. (Just, Les, find someone that can run an offense!)

Blogger James Dixon November 28, 2017 7:58 AM  

> ... but that doesn't mean Mike Leach, Les Miles, and tons of other accomplished coaches won't go there.

Les Miles would probably do a great job at Tennessee.

Blogger Nate November 28, 2017 9:40 AM  

I would like to see them hire Mike Leach... or bring back Kiffin. Oh man if they got Kiffin back it would be rich

Blogger bw November 28, 2017 9:44 AM  

Are you sure the Cardinals and Ravens haven't already done that?

No way in hell I'm clicking on that bro

Les Miles

Funny thing about the PedSt thing continues to be that most people believe it was just (((Sandusky)). A Sc
The pattern and what makes more sense than one guy is of course a network of monied boosters etc.
Where's Gricar, that AsstAG and his computer hard drive?
bro committed "suicide" and computer found in Susqu River sans HD.

Blogger William Warren November 28, 2017 10:36 AM  

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Blogger Usagi November 28, 2017 12:43 PM  

High tech Redneck Is correct! #SchiaNO was actually the pick of the SJWs and Jimmy Haslam. It was thwarted by (mainly) pro Trump crowd on Twitter and Bookface. They masterfully used #SchiaNO 's questionable history to get the SJWs on board, as well.

Blogger beerme November 28, 2017 1:11 PM  

Nate wrote:I would like to see them hire Mike Leach... or bring back Kiffin. Oh man if they got Kiffin back it would be rich

Mike Leach would be entertaining on and off the field. The SEC needs more of this and less coaching cliches.

Anonymous Greywrath November 28, 2017 2:26 PM  

Never cared about college ball, but I work in Knoxville. These people won't be happy with anything other than Peyton Manning and a championship.

Anonymous Quartermaster November 28, 2017 4:27 PM  

In Tennessee and you wanted to go to Engineering School, there were two real choices. If you had the money, you went to Vanderbilt. If you did, you went to Tennessee Tech. If you wanted a large alumni association, you went to Tennessee.

This was back before Vandy became a SJW seminary.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein November 29, 2017 8:41 PM  

Nate wrote:I would like to see them hire Mike Leach... or bring back Kiffin. Oh man if they got Kiffin back it would be rich

Leach would be entertaining as Hell.

I'm old enough to remember when UT vs. Bama was relevant. Kiffen vs Saban could bring that back.

Les Miles annually beating up on LSU would be a hoot as well.

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