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Saturday, November 18, 2017

Tactics are not objectives

Andrew Klavan points out the irony of Democrats complaining that Republicans are now utilizing their tactics:
As Roy Moore's troubles were just getting underway, leftist CNN commentator Van Jones made what has to be one of the least self-aware and yet most revealing comments of the Trumpian Age. Targeting Breitbart firebrand Steve Bannon, who had promoted Moore, Van Jones said, "Bannon is trying to create this sense of an aggrieved identity, frankly, of a white aggrieved identity group that’s under siege by everybody. And this is that in its worse form. So, you’re not supposed to vote as a father, you’re not supposed to vote as a woman. You’re supposed to vote as a member of this identity group against the world. And if that works, that is very, very bad for the Republican Party and it’s very, very bad for our country."

This comes from the man — from the political party — from the philosophy — that has sold absolutely nothing but aggrieved identities for the last sixty years, ever since it became clear that actual leftist policies don't work. Blacks, women, people who think they're women, people who pretend to be black — whatever category you find yourself in, the left has preached that you should ignore the disaster of leftism and focus only on your sweet victimhood, voting your grievances even when it's against your best interests.

In other words, Van Jones' only real complaint against Bannon is that Bannon has sunk to the level of Van Jones!
Ignore the whining. And don't punch back twice as hard. Punch first, and hit them where they're not looking when they're not expecting it.

Identity politics are now the rules of the game. Learn to play by them or lose.

Don't worry about setting examples or troubling precedents. The examples and the precedents are set, whether you like them or not, and whether you approve of them or not. Who cares about accusations of hypocrisy? These days, the only difference between the hypocrite and the non-hypocrite is that the hypocrite has standards, even if they are chiefly acknowledged in the breach. That is vastly preferable to having no standards at all.

However, Klavan and other conservative commentators have got to get over their irrepressible desire to fix the Left and understand that they don't get a vote. The point is not to prove to the Left that they are wrong and that they should stop what they are doing and behave more like we do. The point is to defeat them utterly, then eradicate their ideas from Western civilization before they manage to destroy it once and for all.

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Anonymous Ken7- November 18, 2017 12:58 PM  

Bannon didn't create the idea of whites being under siege. He merely recognized that reality.

Blogger Dave November 18, 2017 1:01 PM  

leftist CNN commentator

Redundant

Anonymous Godfrey November 18, 2017 1:04 PM  

I'm a member of an aggrieved oppressed identity group and that's what currently drives my politics. Once the establishment stops its constant promotion of hatred towards European-Americans, then maybe I'll reconsider. Until then survival is the only rule.

Anonymous Nike November 18, 2017 1:07 PM  

There is a danger all this energy turns away from (((Hollywood))) and Al Frankenstien and is instead focused on Trump as a “rapist” as a pretext for impeachment. Especially in the wake of a 2018 midterm “Democrat Wave.” Have no doubts the kayfabe GOPe is engineering such a storyline already. This could be an elaborate trap to shut down MAGA.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 18, 2017 1:11 PM  

@4 Nike
There is no "Democrat wave", any more than there was a massive Hillary lead last year.

Anonymous Philipp November 18, 2017 1:13 PM  

The last paragraph is spot on. Conservatives always always always try to fix the left and then wonder why they lose.

Good thing is that the Alt Right is not conservative and won't make their mistakes.

Blogger cheddarman November 18, 2017 1:16 PM  

@4 Who cares what the left is doing? Trump is riding a wave of cultural change. If he is unsuccessful, there will be bigger and more powerful waves following him until the real Americans take back their country, and real Europeans take back their respective nations, and globalists
are decorating lamp posts.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 18, 2017 1:17 PM  

@6 Philipp

I've had a lot of use when the "why?" issue comes up with the Left of responding, "because they're evil". If you repeat it enough, it really does break through, as evil explains most of their actions. (Broken mental health explains the rest.)

Blogger VD November 18, 2017 1:27 PM  

There is a danger all this energy turns away from (((Hollywood))) and Al Frankenstien and is instead focused on Trump as a “rapist” as a pretext for impeachment.

Do you really think shrieking "it's a trap" every time anything goes our way is helpful? Stop cringing in fear and worrying about danger. Life is dangerous.

This could be an elaborate trap to shut down MAGA.

That's just pathetic.

Blogger Howard Stone November 18, 2017 1:31 PM  

Hey, they started it...

Anonymous CloseHauled November 18, 2017 1:33 PM  

"then eradicate their ideas from Western civilization before they manage to destroy it once and for all."

Some wisdom from Old Testament:

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"
Exodus 22:18 KJV




Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. November 18, 2017 1:43 PM  

Van Jones is a card-carrying member of the grievance industry. He has no problem with grievances at all.

What he has a problem with is the terrifying idea that people of European descent might actually be aggrieved.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums November 18, 2017 1:48 PM  

I like Andrew Klavan however I can't stand watching him go back and forth on this issue. After the election he conceded that Trump's tactics were superior and what matters in the end is winning in some podcasts. In other podcasts he reverted to his old "take the moral high ground and loose with dignity" stance. It's incredibly annoying.

I suspect a lot of what Klavan says is diluted by the fact he has to share a studio with Ben Shapiro, the guy who can't accurately predict whether or not the Sun is gonna rise from the East tomorrow.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. November 18, 2017 1:51 PM  

I'll give Jones this, though: He quintupled down and baked-up some high yellows with a white devil, so he is a Believer in the future he peddles on a daily basis.

Or he just likes the white meat.

Blogger Felix Bellator November 18, 2017 1:55 PM  

@12. I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. Said,

What he has a problem with is the terrifying idea that people of European descent might actually be aggrieved.

Yes, as the Germans and Japanese found out after, as Neal Stephenson put it, being smothered "under a mountain of manufactured goods."

Blogger dc.sunsets November 18, 2017 1:57 PM  

Who in his right mind expends energy trying to convert his open enemies? No request for quarter has been honored in 150 years.

An idea has to GO. Those who espouse it cannot be reasoned with. The rest is obvious.

Anonymous DissidentRight November 18, 2017 1:58 PM  

Dems are just mad that we're kicking their ass at their own game, and we're still learning how to play.

Blogger DonReynolds November 18, 2017 2:05 PM  

Absolutely correct, Vox.

Too many on the Right seem convinced that the Left is simply misinformed or mistaken...and if they were corrected or if we provided them with better information, they would certainly switch to the Right side of things. Human beings, after all, are rational.

Of course this is baloney. They are not rational. They already know the truth, even if they cannot bring themselves to speak it. They are not misinformed. They are not mistaken.

They are simply evil and they will not give up their evil ways because they are certain that evil will win in the end, and they want to be on the winning side. The only way to change that is by defeating them....in detail, in public, without mercy....and pile their skulls into a pyramid. Defeating them is the only way to prove that evil will not prevail in the end.

Blogger Ransom Smith November 18, 2017 2:10 PM  

The amusing thing, is that identity politics have only just begun.
The white race is only just starting to rediscover its collective identity. Wait until we rediscover regional identity. That's when you know the Reconquest is fully underway.

Blogger pyrrhus November 18, 2017 2:20 PM  

Same thing applies to Europe, in spades...Nationalists are way too timid about saying and doing what needs to be said and done, for fear of offending leftist standards (which are applied only to the right).

Anonymous JAG November 18, 2017 2:20 PM  

The point is not to prove to the Left that they are wrong and that they should stop what they are doing and behave more like we do. The point is to defeat them utterly, then eradicate their ideas from Western civilization before they manage to destroy it once and for all.

When a former conservative takes a red pill he first realizes the absolute truth of the above quote, and then he admits to himself that conservatism is an abject failure in that it conserved nothing of importance. That's how I got here anyway.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2017 2:44 PM  

@VD "Punch first"...

Heh.

Liberal retards have already been punching everyone else for decades now. Punching now isn't "punching first"... It's justified, it's righteous, and it's very much needed.

Cuckservatives really need to understand this. They sound like someone who's already been beaten up and still mutters "won't... punch... first..." between their broken teeth.

Also... it feels good to see libtards get a taste of their own medicine! Muh victim status!

Anonymous Causal Lurker November 18, 2017 2:46 PM  

It takes a dull and rusty knife, to fix the Left properly.

Take your time and make sure the job is done right.


Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass November 18, 2017 2:53 PM  

MOAR butt hurt! I only use facts for ppl on the fence. Leftists have gone full retard. Never go full retard.

Also I'm a member of an endangered indigenous group (we whites are as BGS pointed out 8% of the world population). Onward to victory!

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2017 2:55 PM  

The intellectuals on the left who are responsible for the current situation know what they have done. They cannot point out the hypocrisy of idiots like Van Jones because their careers and "reputations" will be torn to shreds by the monster they bred and set loose.

It's just one more reason why the point Vox is making in this post is so important. Those on the left who are intelligent enough to adjust their tactics have been rendered impotent. When you face an enemy that is so easy to flank, don't tap them on the shoulder and yell "GOTCHA".

Anonymous Crediting repubs for 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut November 18, 2017 2:57 PM  

How bout those repubs pushing thru 1.5 trillion dollar tax cuts. Thats what i call following thru on campaign promises. Kudos to the repubs..to the dems cooties. Young people when choosing btw the repub route or the dem route ask yourself do u want kudos or cooties hahaha

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar November 18, 2017 2:58 PM  

This hypocrisy was inevitable.
This is where we laugh at them and goad them into making other statements which reveal their destructive motivations and red-pill the waverers.

Blogger rumpole5 November 18, 2017 3:03 PM  

Bannon does not base his philosophy on race at all. He simply has identified a real vicim economic category that many non elite Whites fall into. Many striving Blacks also fall into the economic nationalist category. Moreover, many of the other Blacks are also victimized by Progressives who sell out American opportunity. Those remaining Blacks are just too stupid and/or bamboozled to realize that they are selling their American birthrights for a mess of communist, sour, rotten pottage.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 18, 2017 3:05 PM  

To the tune of Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire"

We didn't build woodchippers
But you know they're churning
And Jews are never learning
We didn't build the choppers
But the state's divided
And your fate's decided

Blogger Lovekraft November 18, 2017 3:11 PM  

As various stones get unturned, veils lifted, taboos mocked, the reasons the left so vehemently resisted the 2017 election become clear:

they had a racket going on that depended on both apathy and ignorance. And the only way the left can restore to previous times is via censorship and violence (and I include public school indoctrination akin to child abuse, as it's currently structured).

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 18, 2017 3:14 PM  

Verse:

Harvey Weinstein, Brett Ratner, Andrew Kreisberg, Al Franken,
Louis C.K., David Guillod, Kirt Webster, Kevin Spacey,
Mark Halperin, Robert Scoble, James Toback, Lockhart Steele,
Rick Najera, Ken Baker, Mike Oreskes, Leon Wieseltier

Make your own verse with your favorite characters!

Blogger LP9 November 18, 2017 3:21 PM  

Van Jones! Talk about endless victimhood.

The gentleman that punched out the harassing reporter still won, Moore will likely win. The interesting aspect of the timing and the POTUS's endorsements and exit from the states during all this distraction about sexual this and sexual that assails every place in media. (while ignoring the real rapes by invaders upon non consenting white women.)

These alleged sexual harassment stories are just women doing metoooo because they want attention, money or press and most of the stories are probably lies or the reality that the current era is a land of confusion and deception.

The Dunham Horror is still gross.

The local and national media on tv is still a nonessential part of the home.

Blogger LP9 November 18, 2017 3:22 PM  

31 What would you say their sexual rank is, what kind of men are they and what do they have in common? Including Clinton and Weiner.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2017 3:23 PM  

A more correct translation of that command is "thou shalt not permit a poisoner to live" In the time of the quote, a murderer could be f I rgiven if justified or upon payment of damages (weirgild).
A poisoner was trying to hide their crime, and escape retribution, and therefore, deserved death ss the only appropriate penalty.
John in Indy

Blogger tuberman November 18, 2017 3:27 PM  

Godfrey wrote:I'm a member of an aggrieved oppressed identity group and that's what currently drives my politics. Once the establishment stops its constant promotion of hatred towards European-Americans, then maybe I'll reconsider. Until then survival is the only rule.



Not enough, not this time, they cannot survive, and they cannot come back, right down to grade school and high school teachers, all will be held accountable.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore November 18, 2017 3:37 PM  

"The point is to defeat them utterly, then eradicate their ideas from Western civilization before they manage to destroy it once and for all."

It's war.

Anonymous BBGKB November 18, 2017 3:48 PM  

There is a danger all this energy turns away from (((Hollywood))) and Al Frankenstien and is instead focused on Trump as a “rapist” as a pretext for impeachment

The harder they are trying the more sleazy jews fall.

There is no "Democrat wave", any more than there was a massive Hillary lead last year.

We need to protect from a tsunami of voter fraud. The left might just damn the torpedoes and have double the vote vs the census. To show you how out of touch they are, they plan on doubling down on trannies because of the trannies who won seats.

They are even going for six degrees of separation to pin things on the right, even with former (R)staffers that wont date nigays.
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2017/11/17/rep-wilson-staffer-caught-on-grindr-using-racist-epithets/

Ben Shapiro, the guy who can't accurately predict whether or not the Sun is gonna rise from the East tomorrow

He can predict it but he has a problem telling if the sunrise is good for the jews!

Blogger pdwalker November 18, 2017 3:51 PM  

The point is to defeat them utterly, then eradicate their ideas from Western civilization before they manage to destroy it once and for all.

All I wanted was to live my life unburned by those who would “try to do me good”. Instead, the parasites have doubled and redoubled their efforts to be “in control” and tell me what to do and how much of my own sweat was theirs.

They have pushed me into the corner and there is no where else to turn. Instead it has come to push back and break out.

I like electricity and hot water. The consequences of the leftists actions will be to end all that for those that survive the inevitable death camps.

I say, “enough”.

Blogger Lance E November 18, 2017 3:52 PM  

This applies on multiple levels. On the one hand you have the fools who quote Nietzsche on the "abyss" and think they're being noble and profound. On the other hand you have the alt-retards who have become so all-consumed with lulz and bantz and the most obnoxious forms of white identity politics that they've forgotten what it is they're actually fighting for.

Why is it so hard for the average person to understand the difference between principles, objectives, strategy, and tactics?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore November 18, 2017 3:58 PM  

@37 I feelin' your commentary. I didn't wanna do this. All I wanted to do was chill and pursue geeky hobbies and avocations. Unfortunately, the Leftists and SJWs wanna get up in people's lives and dictate. I'm a tad bitter over that.

Blogger Timmy3 November 18, 2017 4:03 PM  

My local news has used this situation to dread up old Trump allegations.

Anyways, Roy Moore is back on top on the latest poll as reported by Gateway pundit.

Anonymous Battlefrog November 18, 2017 4:14 PM  

Ken7- wrote:Bannon didn't create the idea of whites being under siege. He merely recognized that reality.

Is there any direct evidence of this?

With Bannon signalling hard against "racists" recently, I'm beginning to suspect a lot of what I thought was Bannon's influence was actually just Trump all along.

Anonymous Spud-Shaped Sister-Fister November 18, 2017 4:14 PM  

The Dunham Horror is still gross.

The headline writer for IG News concurs.


In other news: RIP Malcolm Young AC/DC

Anonymous The watcher of the skies November 18, 2017 4:17 PM  

Good observation. More than they care to admit, the left keeps getting caught in freudian slips of tongues. It is amazing to me that a person like Van Jones who went to Yale for a law degree doesn't have the analytical skills to understand his own position. This is one of the biggest flaws the left has, sadly.

Anonymous Battlefrog November 18, 2017 4:17 PM  

And on top of that, Bannon recently said that Republicans need to spend a lot more money in heavily Hispanic areas. Sounds like he's stuck in the past with the Tea Party.

Anonymous JAG November 18, 2017 4:17 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:@37 I feelin' your commentary. I didn't wanna do this. All I wanted to do was chill and pursue geeky hobbies and avocations. Unfortunately, the Leftists and SJWs wanna get up in people's lives and dictate. I'm a tad bitter over that.

They just couldn't leave us alone. The more we want to be left alone, the more the left doubles down on their in your face nature. They absolutely won't ever leave us alone unless forced. It is unfortunate, but it is the truth.

Anonymous JAG November 18, 2017 4:19 PM  

Battlefrog wrote:Ken7- wrote:Bannon didn't create the idea of whites being under siege. He merely recognized that reality.

Is there any direct evidence of this?



Is it okay to be White?

Blogger Cecil Henry November 18, 2017 4:35 PM  

@41

There is so much evidence. Why the willful blindness??

How about this:

JT: Traitor https://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/Traitor.jpg

"The very concept of a nation founded by European settlers is offensive to me. Old stock White Canadians are an unpleasant relic, and quite frankly, replaceable. And we will replace them."


Its just a start.

Anonymous BBGKB November 18, 2017 4:48 PM  

And on top of that, Bannon recently said that Republicans need to spend a lot more money in heavily Hispanic areas. Sounds like he's stuck in the past with the Tea Party.

Could be he meant voter fraud enforcement. Many counties send out jury duty notices to people who are registered to vote and a cheap way of finding voter fraud is looking at jury duty notices that say they can't serve because they are not citizens.

Anonymous Raker Tooth November 18, 2017 4:49 PM  

@18
The sum of what you say is right, but I would digress on their intentions.Ultimately everything they do is evil, but more than half are living the distillation of emotionalism:
We care, you do not, ergo we are good, you are bad; our care makes us inclusive. Being inclusive requires the elimination of rationality, therefore rationality is evil. I wonder if this explains the hypocrisy that started this post. SURE it's an absolute double standard, but we care, you do not.

Blogger Ezekiel November 18, 2017 4:50 PM  

Battlefrog wrote:And on top of that, Bannon recently said that Republicans need to spend a lot more money in heavily Hispanic areas. Sounds like he's stuck in the past with the Tea Party.
That, or he knows that the racially-aware whites tend to be those forced to live around diversity and that the right Republican can theoretically win even in a nonwhite district. Not many white liberals in eg New Mexico, and browns are even harder than blacks to get to the polls in an off-season.

Blogger DonReynolds November 18, 2017 5:06 PM  

Battlefrog wrote:And on top of that, Bannon recently said that Republicans need to spend a lot more money in heavily Hispanic areas. Sounds like he's stuck in the past with the Tea Party.

Bannon is Roman Catholic Irish. There are other Irishmen, but they are not Roman Catholic. I have yet to meet a Roman Catholic who did not buy into the Liberal Internationalism of the clergy. Maybe there are some, I just never met them.

Blogger DonReynolds November 18, 2017 5:14 PM  

JAG wrote:Al From Bay Shore wrote:@37 I feelin' your commentary. I didn't wanna do this. All I wanted to do was chill and pursue geeky hobbies and avocations. Unfortunately, the Leftists and SJWs wanna get up in people's lives and dictate. I'm a tad bitter over that.

They just couldn't leave us alone. The more we want to be left alone, the more the left doubles down on their in your face nature. They absolutely won't ever leave us alone unless forced. It is unfortunate, but it is the truth.


I am convinced there are only two kinds of people in this world.

One group believes in individual freedom and simply want to be left the Hell alone, so they can do their own thing.

The other group of people hate the idea of Freedom, especially the individual sort, and they insist on doing the thinking for everyone else....because they are right and everyone else is wrong.

You are correct. They simply cannot leave us alone. They are slavers and they want the rest of us to be their slaves and do what they say.

Blogger Retrenched November 18, 2017 5:21 PM  

The Dunham Horror is still gross.

The headline writer for IG News concurs.

The Jesse Jackson/Parkinson's headline was even better.

Blogger tuberman November 18, 2017 5:26 PM  

DR,

"The other group of people hate the idea of Freedom, especially the individual sort, and they insist on doing the thinking for everyone else....because they are right and everyone else is wrong."

"You are correct. They simply cannot leave us alone. They are slavers and they want the rest of us to be their slaves and do what they say."

The above is what I use to think, but it is far worse. They have already worked out that it is impossible to control seven billion people as slaves. They intend to kill off 13 out of every 14 people in the world to achieve their totalitarian, "Utopian" world ruled by a very few. No more than 500 million will be allowed to live.

Blogger DSW November 18, 2017 5:36 PM  

Kurt Schlichter said it: "The left is gonna hate the new rules." After all these years of spineless Republicans it's nice to see the right finally fighting back and using the tactics of the left against them. It's like someone on the right finally read Alinsky's Rules For Radicals.

Anonymous Nike November 18, 2017 5:55 PM  

>>There is no "Democrat wave", any more than there was a massive Hillary lead last year.

Hillary lost to a nationalist populist Trump.

Do you really believe the f****ts in the GOP congress are running on the same platform?

Anonymous Haxo Angmaerk November 18, 2017 6:06 PM  

"the point is to defeat them utterly".

no, VD.

the point is to kill them.

Blogger SouthRon November 18, 2017 6:18 PM  

OT: Is anyone surprised by Scalzi's stream of I'm not gay but I'd consider it posts today? Has he looked at Krissy lately?

Anonymous Battlefrog November 18, 2017 6:37 PM  

Nike wrote:Hillary lost to a nationalist populist Trump.

Do you really believe the f****ts in the GOP congress are running on the same platform?


That's what the primaries are for. Only question is how hard Trump is going to go on the spineless incumbents. I would absolutely love for him to declare total war by campaigning against Paul Ryan, but I'm not holding my breath.

Blogger LP9 November 18, 2017 6:43 PM  

41, I know IG had to cover that wicked woman.

48 I adore you, yes the older pple are stuck in the past, they cannot let go of it and dont understand that this matter of accusations - I mean Ryan Seacreast was accused - what a joke, its just copy see, monkey do in a post America that POTUS is trying to pull from its sophomoric attention per the mentally retarded to insane media to losers like harassers that do mean a damn thing to the fly over country men and women or the forgotten men and women that voted POTUS Trump.

Really these horrid American women and men in the media if it were the 1940's, 1950's would in the nut houses.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 18, 2017 6:51 PM  

LP9 wrote:31 What would you say their sexual rank is, what kind of men are they and what do they have in common? Including Clinton and Weiner.

Honestly, I don't know anything about any of them. I'd only heard of Franken, Spacey, and Louis C.K. before now (and Clinton, obviously, but I think it's pretty well-established that he's an Alpha).

Blogger Rez Zircon November 18, 2017 7:23 PM  

"He was gonna hit me, so I hit him back first."
-- NY Yankees manager Billy Martin

Blogger tz November 18, 2017 7:24 PM  

John Zmirak points out Servility is a sin - the other side from Wrath.

Basically if you don't act to prevent evil, you are responsible for subsequent victims. Principles aren't absolute, but derive from virtues.

Blogger Rough Carrigan November 18, 2017 9:53 PM  

I was inspired by Vox's article and the comments to donate to Infogalactic. I only wish it could have been much more.

Blogger Dire Badger November 18, 2017 10:05 PM  

Leftists are bullies to their core.

Republicans and other well-meaning 'adults' claim 'If you ignore a bully he will get bored and leave you alone'.

We know that that is a lie that has existed forever. The only way to stop a bully from picking on you is to hurt him so badly that not only will he never hurt you again, but his fate will terrify every OTHER bully into leaving you alone forever.

We have to do to the left what Ender did to Bonzo Madrid.

Blogger James November 18, 2017 11:32 PM  

Lance E wrote: On the one hand you have the fools who quote Nietzsche on the "abyss" and think they're being noble and profound. On the other hand you have the alt-retards who have become so all-consumed with lulz and bantz and the most obnoxious forms of white identity politics that they've forgotten what it is they're actually fighting for.


Could you please define what you think are the most obnoxious forms of White identity politics?

Blogger James November 18, 2017 11:38 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:LP9 wrote:31 What would you say their sexual rank is, what kind of men are they and what do they have in common? Including Clinton and Weiner.

Honestly, I don't know anything about any of them. I'd only heard of Franken, Spacey, and Louis C.K. before now (and Clinton, obviously, but I think it's pretty well-established that he's an Alpha).


Do you think a real Alpha would cigar fuck a jewish White House intern? Do you think an Alpha would have ever said "I smoked but never inhaled"? Do you realize how lame that is? "Hey, guys, I'm cool, too. See I smoked!" "Hey, Clinton. You didn't inhale. Here let me show you how its done. Here, take this bong......"

Anonymous Nehemiah November 19, 2017 2:04 AM  

No. 38 wrote: principles, objectives, strategies, and tactics-end quote

POST! Nice mnemonic acronym. Was that done aforethought? Anyway, this is something that is not at all clear to me either--not the distinctions, but the content of these four items, and especially the first three--and I wonder just how much or little consensus there is among the alt-right. Let us look at the first three letters of the POST acronym:

PRINCIPLES: I know VD has proposed a list of these. Pretty good start, but I would suggest 2 lists, one a list of universal (see now how this is not really the same thing as cosmopolitan and these two should not be used interchangeably?) principles, that is, a list of principles of universal applicability; and a second list, based on the first, that is more narrowly tailored to our particular circumstances here in America. I think there is hope some sort of consensus might be forged on the Principles issue.

OBJECTIVES: okay, most alt-righters and similar seem to be either silent, vague, or contradictory on this point. Some people want to maximize individual liberty, some want a society designed to conserve race and culture, some people dream of a "republic of virtue," some national socialist sympathizers (I know, not exactly the same, but significant overlap) blame Christianity for all our troubles and scheme to purge the Christians in addition to the Jews and Muslims--although some admire Islam, and AmRen supporters want to ally with the Jews, whom they seem to regard as imminently trustworthy. I will raise the question of just one objective as an example, although other objectives are also tough to get consensus on.

What does the alt-right intend to do with alien minorities (whether this is defined in racial terms, or both racial and cultural): mass deportation? No one will take them all, or even most of them, and few Whites would have the stomach for this.

Mass murder? (I offer this suggestion in the spirit of Johnathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal.") Even more than mass deportation, few Whites will even acquiesce in this, to their credit. And even if someone wants to argue that he does not find this option unthinkable, no government has ever exterminated 130 million persons (more for neo-nazi types who want to eliminate Christians too) from their land before. Even if one is a total psychopath, the sheer number of people to be murdered is formidable, and formidably unlikely.

White supremacy: it has a long history in the US, but even alt-righters insist they are not supremacists. They agree with Communists, socialists, liberals, progressives, and post-1960's conservatives that this option should be taken off the table. Hard to defy that overwhelming a consensus, unless the consensus itself can be changed. And even if it slowly changed, how could the "Lincolnian" supremacy of Whites in ante-bellum America be restored since Whites by then would certainly be a minority?

Gradualism: slowly reduce their numbers to oblivion through free but entirely voluntary contraception and subsidized emigration for those who can be persuaded to take this latter option, effectively shrinking their population faster than the Posterity's population.

ends part 1 of 2

Anonymous Nehemiah November 19, 2017 2:05 AM  

Part 2 of 2:

Secession: often proposed, but strongly opposed by some. Presumably, Whites would get less than 60% of the territory if we split up the country today, or far less if such a division were obtained, say, a century hence. Would we get ocean access? Probably. Defensible borders? Maybe not. There are no good natural borders between the Rockies and the Atlantic. The area west of the Rockies is a much less desirable homeland than east of it for several reasons. If we split north-south, like the Confederacy attempted, the Mississipi River and its navigable tributaries, with their cheap transport, will tend to draw us back together, and, again, no easily defended borders.

Finally, it would probably require majority support to get the heavily armed US government to go along with it, but non-Whites will never agree (they want to milk us) and by the time a very large majority (or even simple majority) of Whites agree, the White majority will be the White minority. Already so among young children.

Parallel societies (as a lengthy interim compromise until our options become more promising): does not require gaining control of the federal government, which is difficult, to say the least, but achieving this goal through voluntary effort is hardly a cakewalk, and probably cannot succeed on a large scale unless it includes linguistic separation. Not impossible, but certainly not rapid, and really tough to achieve.

And then there are questions of who is in, who is out. South Europeans, I presume, are acceptable to most. What about Afro-Asiatic caucasoids? Are Armenians Europeans or Asians, and does it matter? And Georgians? What does the alt-right agree on about the growing number of partially European people of mixed parentage?

Keep in mind, many on the alt-right dream of a nation which is little different from today except that everyone is White. Well, as recently as 1960, Britain, France, Germany, and Sweden all fit that description, and even the US was 89% self-identified White, yet look at us now. How does the alt-right propose to stop that from happening again? I never see anyone address questions like these, yet they are critical.

STRATEGY: just one quick example: strategy requires alt-right get effective control of the US government. Is there a path to political victory for the alt-right? Whites lose market share faster than White progressives (40% of Whites are solidly democrat or worse)can be won over or die off.

And even very many non-Dem Whites favor integration in principle, and believe that assimilation is possible and desirable. I think non-Dem Whites might hold different views if there were a linguistic difference, but that is not the case except for recent arrivals. Religious differences, even if they existed consistently (as in northern Ireland or Serbia-Croatia-Bosnia) rather than probablistically, would not matter a great deal because roughly 90% of Americans hold to theological views that are basically deistic rather than orthodox.

Armed revolution? The armed forces are too strong (unlike in 1860), obedient, and politically correct. (General Wesley Clark probably was not atypical when he declared during the Kosovo travesty that the day of ethnically pure states is over.) The army will neither stage nor tolerate a coup d'etat for the same reasons.

So where exactly is the path to success for the alt-right? Frankly, I don't see it, but nobody really talks about it either. The alt-right does not know what its strategy is, and perhaps is afraid to deal with the question because the challenge is objectively extremely daunting.

Sorry this post (POST-lol!) was so long.

Anonymous Nehemiah November 19, 2017 2:18 AM  

addendum: forgot to mention the drawbacks to gradualism: takes a long time, which a lot of alt-righters don't like.

Requires political control for a long period of time, see under strategy for more analysis of this point.

Requires a lengthy period of ante-bellum style white supremacy to accomplish, and alt-righters all seem to swear up and down they are not supremacists.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 19, 2017 2:56 AM  

Nehemiah wrote:What does the alt-right intend to do with alien minorities (whether this is defined in racial terms, or both racial and cultural): mass deportation? No one will take them all, or even most of them, and few Whites would have the stomach for this.
Try reading for more than five minutes before commenting, you pompous jerkwad.
Your generic criticism of the alt-Right is not just off point, it literally ignores the text on the page in front of you. You mistake description for prescription.

Mostly your error is that you think we give a warm grunt what you think.

Blogger Dire Badger November 19, 2017 7:43 AM  

Nehemiah, you handwaved the very obvious solution without even attempting to give a valid reason. "mass deportation? No one will take them all, or even most of them, and few Whites would have the stomach for this."

It simply does not MATTER if no one will take them in. They have no choice. If someone has to exterminate Migrants, it will be their own governments that do it. Full stop. No 'white stomach interaction' required.

The ENTIRE rest of your 3 comments is predicated entirely on this fallacious primary assumption of the infeasability of mass deportation. It has been done before, it can be done again. Ever heard of Isreal? Ever heard of Operation Wetback?

In short, you handwaved the only possible option in order to set up and strike down a dozen straw men and thus claim victory.

So, since every option you have discussed is not viable, and the option you refused to discuss is entirely workable, You are clearly working from an assumption of failure,a loser's agenda. or that of an Agent Provocateur.

Get to the back of the boat and shut the fuck up, spook.

Blogger Meimou November 19, 2017 10:02 AM  

Nehemiah
White supremacy: it has a long history in the US, but even alt-righters insist they are not supremacists.

I never heard a alt righter say white supremacy has a long history in the states, only SJWs...

If you define white supremacy as inherit worth, it isn't true, but you sound like a sjw pretending to be alt right so who the hell knows how you define it.

addendum: forgot to mention the drawbacks to gradualism: takes a long time, which a lot of alt-righters don't like.

Requires a lengthy period of ante-bellum style white supremacy to accomplish, and alt-righters all seem to swear up and down they are not supremacists.


Heh, it becomes a little clearer. It seems as if you are trying to get us to qualify ourselves to you ("but, I'm not a white supreemacist, you just gotta believe me!") or bait us into admitting we are white supreeeeemacist.


Blogger justaguy November 19, 2017 2:46 PM  

2018 is close in tactical. 2020 Presidential is the real tactical goal.

Trump barely won against the worst and obviously corrupt candidate H, but by only 112K votes in three states out of 12 million. If the next Dem candidate is as delusional as H, great, let MAGA reign. But if the Dems actually campaign to the "Reagan Democrats" that Trump appealed to and got to vote for him-- picking off 112K in basically blue states would not be hard.

In other words, if the Dems actually let a Terry McAuliffe become the nominee- he will appeal to those voters Trump needs. If they end up with a crazy like Cory Booker or Kamala Harris then it is all about turnout, and still a hard fight.

It never was about fixing the left- that is a delusional objective-- it is about outvoting and defeating the left against the large number of recent immigrants they have brought in over the last 25 years that reliably vote dem.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 19, 2017 4:14 PM  

justaguy wrote:But if the Dems actually campaign to the "Reagan Democrats" that Trump appealed to and got to vote for him-- picking off 112K in basically blue states would not be hard.
The Dems are structurally incapable of doing so. It would involve silencing and usurping the party power of the Communists, ball-buster feminists, the gays and the anti-White racial supremacists.

If that is even attempted, look for riots in your nearest Democrat convention. We were nearly there with what they did to Bernie. It won't be allowed to happen again.

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 19, 2017 4:20 PM  

Nehemiah wrote:mass deportation? No one will take them all, or even most of them, and few Whites would have the stomach for this.
A large majority of the non-Africans are Mexicans and other C-AMs and can just go back.  You don't even have to deport them, you just have to cut off their welfare and pay them a stipend if they return.  Given their level of welfare dependency, at least 30 of the 60 million would probably go without a shot fired.  Starting to prosecute and deport those guilty of document fraud would get lots of the rest.  Retroactively yank birthright citizenship for those born to illegals, done.

Mass murder? (I offer this suggestion in the spirit of Johnathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal.") Even more than mass deportation, few Whites will even acquiesce in this, to their credit. And even if someone wants to argue that he does not find this option unthinkable, no government has ever exterminated 130 million persons (more for neo-nazi types who want to eliminate Christians too) from their land before. Even if one is a total psychopath, the sheer number of people to be murdered is formidable, and formidably unlikely.
As has been noted before, the cities are death-traps if food and energy supplies are cut off (especially in winter).  You don't have to kill anyone at first, you just don't let them out.   Many of the denizens will save you the trouble by killing each other.  Their propensity to do this is why the cities were abandoned in the first place.

Gradualism: slowly reduce their numbers to oblivion through free but entirely voluntary contraception
Mandatory contraception for those sucking from the public teat and a bonus for sterilization.  Sterilization as a condition of parole.  Present-time orientation and criminality will do the rest.

Secession: often proposed, but strongly opposed by some. Presumably, Whites would get less than 60% of the territory if we split up the country today
The splits are primarily rural/urban, not regional.  The cities cannot heat, light or feed themselves.  Unless they create armies which can raid for food and fuel (which doesn't work for electricity or natural gas), they're stuck where they are and will starve or freeze in place.

After that kind of event most of the survivors will be completely broken.  You can put them on ships back to their homelands and send them the last few miles from international waters in inflatable boats, if necessary.  What the locals do won't be our problem.

it would probably require majority support to get the heavily armed US government to go along with it
The USG would break up along with everything else.

Anonymous Iron Spartan November 19, 2017 8:23 PM  

Black and brown are natural enemies, not allies. Toss in LBGTASDFJKL, moose limbs, and (victim group of the week) and there are plenty of fractures to hammer to keep the globalists in disarray.

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