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Wednesday, November 01, 2017

The White Party

Even Rod Dreher, who is more than a bit cucky and granola by instinct, has begun to reluctantly accept the reality of identity politics:
They do not want white heterosexual males to apply (unless you’re a transgendered male). Note the “they/them/theirs” at the bottom.

Doesn’t matter if you have the tech skills to help the Democrats win elections. If you’re a cisgendered straight white male, your application goes to the bottom of the pile. Brilliant, just brilliant.

The thing that just slays me about liberals like this is that they have no clue whatsoever that this kind of discrimination is immoral and offensive. This stuff is not new. I was told in 1997 by a newspaper that initially welcomed my job application that my CV was put in limbo because the publisher decided that he didn’t want a white male in that job, unless they couldn’t find anybody as qualified as me. After a national job search that lasted several months, their search was fruitless, and they said they would now like to bring me in for a job interview. By then, I had just taken a job in NYC, and was on my way to a different life.

I’m glad things worked out the way they did for me, but man, did that experience ever stay with me. It impressed upon me the injustice of the days when prejudice kept women and minorities for being considered fairly for jobs. That was unjust. But you don’t make up for one injustice by perpetrating another. That’s what the (white, male) liberal publisher of that newspaper was trying to do. And I’m sure he thought of himself as a virtuous man.

This mentality exemplified by Madeleine Leader has a lot to do with why, at the end of the day, I’ll end up voting Republican out of pure self-protection, and to protect the job prospects of my children, especially my sons. Good job, Democrats.  You are telling straight white people that they are second-class citizens who don’t deserve fairness. You’ll continue to find self-hating liberal whites who are willing to accept this garbage, but many more aren’t falling for it — and know what kind of world Democrats are preparing for them when and if they take power again.

As a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican’s, I would love to have the chance to consider voting Democratic in a national election, especially with the GOP in such a mess. But out of self-protection, I can’t take that chance.
As one commenter correctly chastised another virtue-signaling commenter here yesterday, the relevant point is not that the white Christian would be perfectly happy to have a black Christian in the proverbial foxhole next to him, but that most black Christians would prefer to be in a foxhole with another black of any creed than with a white Christian. Identity politics, like war, only require one to tango.

But ask yourself this question. Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?

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Blogger Vikki Wilson November 01, 2017 4:51 AM  

Sounds like the White Male publisher found it expedient to showily sacrifice other White Males in the hope of being eaten last.

Blogger Sherwood family November 01, 2017 4:56 AM  

Kinda sums up where "American conservatives" really are right now as a group. But the fact that Rod Dreher is starting to get it is a good sign. The separation is happening because one side has spent decades of effort on it.

That fact that the other side is noticing and the media is noticing them noticing is only notable because it took so long.

American whites in general have bent over backwards to try to make this work since the Civil Rights Era. We have stepped out of the way so others could succeed. Not grumbled too much when the kinds of things that Dreher mentioned happened to us and subsidized/underwritten the whole thing.

But it hasn't worked and it isn't going to get better any time soon.

Now it isn't just minorities ticked off about various grievances. It is the folks who pay for the whole grievance industry who are tired of it. But rather than being left alone their money continues to be extorted and they get yelled at for asking why.

The country will continue to polarize and that polarization will be more and more along racial and not just political lines. Would that Civic Nationalism could work. But it hasn't and it isn't.

Blogger Sillon Bono November 01, 2017 4:57 AM  

This is a combination of both Stupid usefulness and virtue signaling, they're building a paradise on earth while feeling good about it.

"We're making a better place for a good cause", this is what they hear echoing in their heads, they need to feel good to counter the cognitive dissonance.

Anonymous Icicle November 01, 2017 4:59 AM  

Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?

Meth?

Anonymous JAG November 01, 2017 5:02 AM  

It is fascinating watching various personas being forced to confront the truth. Despite their initial reluctance, they will feel better for it long term.

Blogger Samuel Nock November 01, 2017 5:03 AM  

I cannot believe I am going to quote Jonah Goldberg, but the fact is, he pointed out fifteen years ago that Rod is a Leftist at heart...

Dreher's never-ending dance with Leftism and counter-signalling against the "mean, nasty right" actually was captured pretty accurately by Goldberg in his original review of Crunchy Cons.

"I can’t shake the suspicion that while nobody is going to say, from painful necessity, “To the Left, Go!” that sometime in the next decade or so Rod will gamely proclaim “To the Left, Here I Come.”"

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/216931/huh-jonah-goldberg

Blogger VD November 01, 2017 5:15 AM  

I cannot believe I am going to quote Jonah Goldberg, but the fact is, he pointed out fifteen years ago that Rod is a Leftist at heart.

He did. So, isn't it interesting that Rod, the leftist at heart, has moved towards Trump and the Republican Party, while Jonah, who is of the ideological Right, still refuses to support Trump despite his conservative actions.

It's almost as if their Identity trumps their Ideology....

Blogger Sherwood family November 01, 2017 5:20 AM  

Well played, Vox. Well played.

Blogger Samuel Nock November 01, 2017 5:25 AM  

@7

"It's almost as if their Identity trumps their Ideology...."

Yup.

I still cannot figure out why Dreher has taken, indeed continues to take, so long to come around on the identity issue.

Anonymous Rien November 01, 2017 5:39 AM  

As the Anonymous Conservative points out today: when the ethno cleansing starts, it will be the early alt-right'ers job to hold the "newly converted" back from outright killing of the minorities.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum November 01, 2017 5:39 AM  

Sounds like the White Male publisher found it expedient to showily sacrifice other White Males in the hope of being eaten last.

A strategy already demonstrated to be futile. They're already starting to devour their own, so what hope does that leave for wrongskin virtue signalers?

Anonymous Looking Glass November 01, 2017 5:40 AM  

@9 Samuel Nock

The man wrote a book called "Crunchy Con" where he pretty much advocated to being a BoBo and liking it. I don't know his parents, but I'd guess they are of some extraction that leans a lot further Left. He likes living in the South, but he seems more comfortable living in the Northwest. Even if he doesn't live there.

Considering he's run from Methodist to RCC to Orthodox, he's also trying to find some exterior structure. He'd do well to contact Ivan Throne.

Blogger Doom November 01, 2017 5:42 AM  

Don't want him on my team until he can handle solid food without asking why and crying about. Given a job at a conservative mag is still like the employee that wanted a non-white male, he doesn't belong, still doesn't get it. Heck, the article might just be the ol' tell them what you think they want to hear schtick. Even if not, guess which Republicans this turd-burger would elect? *McCain* If the mag isn't actually conservative, then the whole thing is a twisted gag.

Silly liberal, logic, honor, truth, and solid virtues are for real men, not skinwalking split-tongues.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 01, 2017 5:42 AM  

@10 Rien

People thought the Male-Female redpill caused anger? The actual rage from realizing your culture (and potentially family) was being raped by the Government and other minorities isn't going to end pretty.

Letting it sink in that the Left looks a lot more like The Joker from The Dark Knight tends to help explain it to most people. The orderly, normal Americans just can't yet accept that the Left really is that evil.

Anonymous Rien November 01, 2017 5:43 AM  

BTW, as soon as the whites are removed from the dems, they will start fracturing along their build-in fault lines.
Obama may very well turn out to have been the last dem president ever.

Blogger Sherwood family November 01, 2017 5:46 AM  

The identity issue is one that has huge institutional, educational, and social barriers erected against whites coming to understand what is happening.

It took me a while to come around myself. If you live in a largely homogeneous community you tend to think everyone is like you and your neighbors so you want to give them the same benefit of the doubt you would want for your self.

It is only when you come into contact with reality that you begin to realize that much of what you have been taught and have learned is basically social conditioning to prevent you from badthink.

Which is why whites who live near the border or in areas with high immigrant populations or high minority populations tend to have a much dimmer view of the prospects of peaceful coexistence over the long term than those who live places where that contact is limited. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Which is why liberal efforts to "get people together so they understand each other" backfire over the long run. It is not ignorance that has people disliking each other. It is experience.

Add in those like the one that Dreher shares and it can make a big difference in bringing it all into focus.

Blogger Doom November 01, 2017 5:53 AM  

Rien,

Wouldn't bet on that. So long as globilist funding, foreign political support from the EU China and the Middle East, plus continuing legal and illegal immigration continues, even at a slowe pace, there will be enough to go around to keep it rolling. Never underestimate a wounded, perhaps dying foe. Damned dangerous.

Anonymous TS November 01, 2017 5:54 AM  

"It's almost as if their Identity trumps their Ideology...."

Paging Littlest Chickenhawk.

"A strategy already demonstrated to be futile. They're already starting to devour their own, so what hope does that leave for wrongskin virtue signalers?"

None obviously but hey not all white people are smart or there wouldn't be leftard SJWs. But they can always blend in until the next iteration.

Blogger Lemur November 01, 2017 5:56 AM  

Dreher is a fey, attention whoring religo-hipster cuck, but to be fair on foreign policy the far right and the anti-imperialist left sometimes converge on the same policies for differing reasons.

For instance, I support the Baathist Syrian Government since its Arab nationalist in orientation, faces a common enemy (Jews), and rejects the moral authority of the liberal ruling class. Leftists like Moon of Alabama support him because they believe the left's agenda of human rights and equality is best served by a non-interventionist West.

Blogger Lovekraft November 01, 2017 5:59 AM  

The thing is, the left is anti-history, anti-reality because if enough people shrug off its slogans and resist their intimidation, it becomes so clear that their policies are wrong.

There is a 'recipe' for creating the anti-diversity/PC individual: remove ownership of his efforts, demonstrate double-standards, push hypocrisy, divide family bonds etc.

And yet, they continue to ignore them.

Anonymous JohnS November 01, 2017 5:59 AM  

But ask yourself this question. Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?

Good question. They seem to prefer soyboy Dreher to realtalk Giraldi.

Anonymous Rien November 01, 2017 6:06 AM  

@Doom,

While I am not making predictions, 'togetherness' is a K property, not r.
There is a lot of money riding on that other side, but I doubt they can get their greed under control long enough to stay together without the white glue. The dems biggest hope is to cause so much turmoil that the system itself breaks, and then to shove in the dictator of their choice.

Blogger Lemur November 01, 2017 6:06 AM  

I call this evolution 'Schrodinger's Cuck', where the cuck decides in order to keep being a cuck he has to stop being a cuck thus inducing two cognitively simultaneous states.

Blogger Longtime Lurker November 01, 2017 6:08 AM  

Expect more white liberals to try on ethnic or other racial garb to protect their social standing and access to power and resources: "I ain't White, I'm [fill in the blank]." I already have at least one family member who pulls this crap. Which reminds me, Rachel Dolezal, as crazy as she might be, was simply ahead of the White liberal curve.

Blogger Lemur November 01, 2017 6:12 AM  

The jews and WASPs in the democratic party can't get back the reins from the mystery meat coalition and the sexual degenerates. White liberals are now learning progress has progressed so far they are to be disenfranchised even if they continue to believe and express liberal sentiments.

Of course the mystery meats can't stop chimping, which leads to more consolidation of whites in the MAGA coalition, which leads to more chimping...

Blogger Shimshon November 01, 2017 6:14 AM  

@19 The problem with the Baathists is they are pan-Arab nationalist...and could never agree on which Arab tribe should be in charge. Hussein in Iraq was a Baathist too.

Arab nationalism is an oxymoron. The Arab village next adjacent to my humble abode (and which I can see from my balcony) has three different clans. They don't intermarry. They despise each other. They hold grudges for generations. Arabs in Gaza have nothing in common with those in Judea and Samaria.

Blogger Sherwood family November 01, 2017 6:24 AM  

True enough Shimshon, but there is always the famous saying for the Bedouin, "I and my brother are against my cousin, I and my cousin are against the stranger." When I was in Egypt I would see that kind of thing play out from time to time. Groups would fight internally until someone else showed up and then they would circle the wagons.

Anonymous JAG November 01, 2017 6:26 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:Expect more white liberals to try on ethnic or other racial garb to protect their social standing and access to power and resources: "I ain't White, I'm [fill in the blank]." I already have at least one family member who pulls this crap. Which reminds me, Rachel Dolezal, as crazy as she might be, was simply ahead of the White liberal curve.

Rachel is my favorite loon. She gets to dress up as a black person every day of the year except Halloween.

Fire that one off at the next SJW that screeches about cultural appropriation.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 01, 2017 6:34 AM  


But ask yourself this question. Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?


I don't think his economic or foreign policy views differ that much from Pat Buchanan's.

Blogger ZhukovG November 01, 2017 6:39 AM  

Rod Dreher wants desperately to be the 'Good Samaritan'. But, what he fails to realize is that the Globalist Left is not the victim lying robbed and beaten in the ditch. The Globalist Left is the murderous band of robbers that put the victim there.

Anonymous quayb November 01, 2017 6:56 AM  

@16 Sherwood..."Which is why whites who live near the border or in areas with high immigrant populations or high minority populations tend to have a much dimmer view of the prospects of peaceful coexistence over the long term than those who live places where that contact is limited. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Which is why liberal efforts to "get people together so they understand each other" backfire over the long run. It is not ignorance that has people disliking each other. It is experience."
Having spent many an hour managing the clientele in majority black tavern/club, I've labeled my feelings of being drained from the experience as 'acute onset negrosis.' Only many hours of sleep can quell its after effects.

Blogger Elizabeth November 01, 2017 6:57 AM  

Icicle wrote:Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?

Meth?


He may be acceptably "conservative" on some issues, which he writes upon.

I see this on The National Review, where the resident bioethics expert, Wesley Smith, is an equality-obsessed big government-favoring former Democrat. But he's strongly "pro-life" and that's all The National Review cares about.

Blogger Stilicho November 01, 2017 7:02 AM  

Prediction: Dreher's journey will be complete when he becomes a Mormon, moves to Salt Lake City, and begins lobbying his fellow Mormons to expand their mission work by adopting or marrying dirt worlders.

Blogger Cecil Henry November 01, 2017 7:03 AM  

Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?

Because the best way to destroy a group you hate is to pretend to join them. Then subvert from within.

Blogger Phillip George November 01, 2017 7:06 AM  

this isn't a virtue signal.
would you rather share a taxi with Ben Carson or John Podesta?

Blogger Elizabeth November 01, 2017 7:07 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:The identity issue is one that has huge institutional, educational, and social barriers erected against whites coming to understand what is happening.

It took me a while to come around myself. If you live in a largely homogeneous community you tend to think everyone is like you and your neighbors so you want to give them the same benefit of the doubt you would want for your self.

It is only when you come into contact with reality that you begin to realize that much of what you have been taught and have learned is basically social conditioning to prevent you from badthink.

Which is why whites who live near the border or in areas with high immigrant populations or high minority populations tend to have a much dimmer view of the prospects of peaceful coexistence over the long term than those who live places where that contact is limited. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Which is why liberal efforts to "get people together so they understand each other" backfire over the long run. It is not ignorance that has people disliking each other. It is experience.

Add in those like the one that Dreher shares and it can make a big difference in bringing it all into focus.


You've got it!

Liberals and cucks like to say that "prejudice is ignorance." The idea is that people are alike all over, that they want the same things and are capable of the same things if given the chance, etc. Disliking, looking down, or, worse yet, seeking to control or expel members of another group is unwarranted.

I've lived in northeast NJ all my life (I'm a tail-end Boomer, albeit of the non-evil variety) and the truth is that "familiarity breeds contempt." For example, there is more anti-black sentiment amongst non-blacks living in close proximity to blacks in northern NJ than among people living in rural, white western NJ.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 01, 2017 7:10 AM  

would you rather share a taxi with Ben Carson or John Podesta?

Is the driver Uzbeki?

Anonymous Cinco November 01, 2017 7:12 AM  

@35 Phillip George

would you rather share a taxi with Ben Carson or John Podesta?

Both would probably make for interesting conversations in a cab; however, no chance I am meeting with John Podesta for dinner.

Blogger VD November 01, 2017 7:13 AM  

this isn't a virtue signal. would you rather share a taxi with Ben Carson or John Podesta?

It is virtue signaling. It is also a false dichotomy.

Anyhow, the correct answer is "John Podesta, unless you are under 18." Podesta is not a violent man who openly admits to attacking others with rocks, bricks, hammers, and baseball bats.

Blogger Dexter November 01, 2017 7:19 AM  

"Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?"

Because cuckservatives think it's "about ideology, not skin color"...

Anonymous TS November 01, 2017 7:22 AM  

"Prediction: Dreher's journey will be complete when he becomes a Mormon, moves to Salt Lake City, and begins lobbying his fellow Mormons to expand their mission work by adopting or marrying dirt worlders."

Thread win.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore November 01, 2017 7:27 AM  

@35 Be careful with that. I see where you are coming from but that is, in my opinion, a cancer that has harmed some folks who self identify as conservative. Being effectively smeared as racist has hurt people and in order to compensate, these folks sometimes trip over themselves to exalt a "Black conservative." I remember a joke I read at AMREN: What do you call a Black conservative? The keynote speaker at CPAC.

Additionally, there are Black "conservatives" who take advantage of this for reasons that appear disingenuous. Alveda King, the niece of Martin Luther King, comes to mind. She plays on this by pushing the "MLK was a republican" narrative (he was actually a socialist). This allows her to do the conservative circuit (ie. Glenn Beck).

Another person who comes to mind in recent times is Candace Owens. She is, in my opinion, the Black version of Anita Sarkeesian except she claims to be "red pilled". I'll stop here as I am mildly hung-over and having trouble concentrating.

Blogger Sherwood family November 01, 2017 7:34 AM  

Mormons already do adopt and marry dirt-worlders. But they do it against the counsel of church leaders who have taught for the last hundred or so years that church members are to build up the church and their congregations in their home countries rather than emigrating.

Blogger Phillip George November 01, 2017 7:35 AM  

Like Solomon I might well have put my member in a variety of skin colors. I think his interest was genuine.
In the privacy of a blog I think I can admit that.
Solomon's problem was containing foreign small g gods. It was a cultural snare. Depaganizing the nations was where he came unstuck. The battle he lost.

Blogger Stilicho November 01, 2017 7:39 AM  

@ Phillip George: I have a car.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 7:42 AM  

Stilicho wrote:@ Phillip George: I have a car.
And I stay away from crap places like NYC where people take taxis. I've only ever taken a taxi two or three times in 45 years, and it's always while traveling.

Blogger Johnny November 01, 2017 7:43 AM  

@42 Add Colin Powell to the list. Perhaps some of these people are sincere at first and then with time age into identity politics. There does seem to be a gradual drift.

Blogger YIH November 01, 2017 7:46 AM  

Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?
He is what I and others would call 'an old-school liberal'. In general, his economic and public policy views are standard Dem circa about 1960 and earlier. For example he disdains the hard left infesting colleges, but also the lack of government spending on them, particularly in Louisiana (he's an LSU alum).
His foreign policy views OTOH, mesh well with TAC, remember Pat Buchanan was one of it's founders - and in general Dreher's are similar.
His religious views are ''traditionalist'' (Sailer and others classify him as such) in the 1960 and earlier Dem, he does take it seriously, he's not a churchian. I've said the same thing about Jimmy Carter, I don't doubt his faith, but it doesn't change his left wing POV (also in the vein of ''Tebow may be a good Christian, but that doesn't mean he's a good QB''). On the march of the left, he's pure cuck; he opposed ''gay marriage'' until it became law, then it was ''oh well, it's over''. The worst part is, he's fully on board with the ''christian'' kumbya nonsense, he has no inkling of the classic joke:
Lone Ranger: We're trapped in a box canyon surrounded by hostile Indians! What do we do Tonto?
Tonto: What do you mean we kemosabe?

Anonymous r1567101 November 01, 2017 7:57 AM  

@Samuel Nock, To be fair to Rod Dreher, Jonah Goldberg was mostly upset at Rod for being soft on Iraq and since in Goldberg's head there is only neoconservatism and the left, he is casting Rod out into the left. I may not be remembering NR's infamous UnPatriotic Conservatives issues but I think Pat Buchanan and the others there were also cast out into the left.

Anonymous just some guy November 01, 2017 8:00 AM  

The American Conservative is a tradcon/paleocon publication. Dreher fits in perfectly.

Most paleocons follow Washington's farewell address and oppose neocon foreign adventures. Dreher misstates this as being to the "Left".

Likewise, more and more paleocons have rejected the neoliberalism of Wall Street. They have returned to the ideas of economic nationalism which Hamilton and the early Republican Party followed, the American School of economics of the American Whigs. He misstates this as being on the "Left".

Rejecting the New World Order and supporting nationalism is not a leftist idea. Nationalism used to be more bipartisan. Dreher is just bit confused, as he is on most issues outside his expertise, cultural conservatism and religion.

Blogger liberranter November 01, 2017 8:02 AM  

This mentality exemplified by Madeleine Leader has a lot to do with why, at the end of the day, I’ll end up voting Republican out of pure self-protection, and to protect the job prospects of my children, especially my sons.

Sign of a true cuckservative: somebody who believes that Republicans actually differ in practice from Democrats, despite their track record of the last 30-plus years.

Dreher is a fool.

Blogger Samuel Nock November 01, 2017 8:04 AM  

"I don't think his economic or foreign policy views differ that much from Pat Buchanan's."

Yes, but he would be sure to explain very loudly and publicly how his advocacy of those policies are for totally different reasons than Pat's (who is motivated by HATE, not like Saint Rod).

Really, Dreher is utterly predictable in his narcassism and special snowflake-ness. He needs to have his very special reasons, his very special motivations, and his book length explanations why his very special reasons and motivations are so very important and special and virtuous. Pretty much everything he has written since the Crunchy Con cover story can be explained that way. (We can grant an exception for his account of his sister's death.)

Blogger Phillip George November 01, 2017 8:05 AM  

Not running an empire is not an option for any President.
They lead a multiethnic estate.
So advise.

The blog decluttered.

Anonymous TheTruthIsNeverAcceptable November 01, 2017 8:05 AM  

I find it revealing that the real driver for Mr. Dreher was concern for his sons. No matter how much you suppress it, if there is anything left of your humanity and maleness, concern for your progeny will rear up and force you to take notice.

The real question is whether or not he takes the next step beyond concern for his sons and embraces the reality that faces him or does he do a reverse and just virtue single alt-rightness as an expedient strategy (maybe with a little self-deception) and become a "waiting in the wings to revert" comrade.

Blogger Sherwood family November 01, 2017 8:05 AM  

Rod Dreher has been wrong about a lot for a long time. If he is coming around to understanding that the magic incantations of Civic Nationalism are no longer proof against the reality foisted on America by the elites then he is making some progress toward a clearer understanding of the world. But I won't hold my breath waiting for him to join the Alt-Right.

Blogger Samuel Nock November 01, 2017 8:16 AM  

@49

Dreher's original Crunchy Con cover story, to which Goldberg also responded, was written in 2002, so I don't think Iraq had anything to do with it. I'm not sure how clear Dreher had made his anti-war position that early on post-911.

A lot of midwits (115 or so IQ) end up being shitlibs. Dreher is an example of the midwit conservative. He spends 15 years and a lot of brainpower reaching conclusions others reached must faster, and then he spends the next few years explaining that he came to those conclusions for GOOD reasons while the early adopters were (and are) bad-thinkers.

Anonymous r1567101 November 01, 2017 8:19 AM  

@Samuel Nock, no you linked to an article from 2006.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/216931/huh-jonah-goldberg

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales November 01, 2017 8:20 AM  

"As one commenter correctly chastised another virtue-signaling commenter here yesterday, the relevant point is not that the white Christian would be perfectly happy to have a black Christian in the proverbial foxhole next to him, but that most black Christians would prefer to be in a foxhole with another black of any creed than with a white Christian."

And quite a significant segment of the white population would be jumping in with every one else but whites and whites would need to kill somewhere between 25 to 33 percent of their own population because ideologies generally don't change fast enough to matter in war and there's no magic that's going to make lefties, of which whites are a considerable, probably the single most important component of, magical subscribe to the white first or even just rightward ideology they would need to in order to magically switch sides.

Blogger YIH November 01, 2017 8:21 AM  

VD wrote:I cannot believe I am going to quote Jonah Goldberg, but the fact is, he pointed out fifteen years ago that Rod is a Leftist at heart.

He did. So, isn't it interesting that Rod, the leftist at heart, has moved towards Trump and the Republican Party, while Jonah, who is of the ideological Right, still refuses to support Trump despite his conservative actions.

It's almost as if their Identity trumps their Ideology....

I see it as he is (and Goldberg) said, and old school lefty, and he talks with and quotes fellow old school leftys rather often.
He just can't get that when push comes to shove that even with 'education' those he would consider ''natural allies'' are nothing of the sort.
He's not 'pro-Trump', in fact, he despises Trump (to him Trump is as immoral as Clinton, and that Trump's faith is phony) but the fact that ''Trump'' (AKA White civil rights) is his only option and that he
I’ll end up voting Republican out of pure self-protection, and to protect the job prospects of my children, especially my sons. Good job, Democrats. You are telling straight white people that they are second-class citizens who don’t deserve fairness.
Rod's a true believer in what Molyneux said at the first minute of this video. Rod wishes water wasn't wet, and thinks that the power of faith will stop water from being wet - just like Tebow can kneel and pray all he wants, but it won't prevent his passes from ''growing webbed feet mid-air''.

Blogger Phillip George November 01, 2017 8:22 AM  

or even more succinctly.
Solomon never faked an erection.

And foreign wives aren't foreign if successfully assimilated.

It's a Borg Identity Crisis, An Artificial Intelligence dilemma.

QED. that was fun

Blogger VD November 01, 2017 8:22 AM  

And quite a significant segment of the white population would be jumping in with every one else but whites and whites would need to kill somewhere between 25 to 33 percent of their own population.

Yes, so what? Do you think we don't already know that? Why do you think SJW and liberal whites are on drugs and in a constant state of near-panic?

Blogger Samuel Nock November 01, 2017 8:24 AM  

I know what I linked. I didn't link everything. The order of the Crunchy Con thing was:

Cover Story by Rod Dreher in 2002.

Jonah Goldberg blog post critiquing Dreher's cover story.

Sufficiently positive response to the cover story that Dreher decided to turn it into a book.

Crunchy Con the book published in 2006.

Goldberg's review of the book.

Neither the book, nor the review, went much beyond what the cover story and the blog post covered in 2002.

Here is the link to Goldberg's 2002 post:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/205305/crunchy-conservatism-reconsidered-jonah-goldberg

Blogger YIH November 01, 2017 8:27 AM  

@56 Samuel Nock:
He was initially pro-war, and pro-Iraq, by the end of '04 he'd soured on it realizing that it would not go as initially expected (''welcome us as liberators'', ect.)

Blogger Samuel Nock November 01, 2017 8:30 AM  

YIH, that's right, Dreher was a hand-wringing, virtue-signaling Never Trumper (but not for the same reasons as those oh-so ordinary normie cons; nooo, Dreher has his own SPECIAL reasons for being Never Trump). Can't believe I almost forgot about that.

Thank you for the confirmation about Dreher's evolution on 911, Iraq, etc. Goldberg's initial 2002 response to Dreher could not have been primarily about differences over the war.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky November 01, 2017 8:31 AM  

I don't understand why Rod is still obsessing about his white privilege now that he is a black man. Perhaps he needs the cheerful assistance of the VFM, to maybe put him in a pot and boil the whiteness out of him at last.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 01, 2017 8:45 AM  

But you don’t make up for one injustice by perpetrating another.

That he even wrote that statement highlights the gulf between him and us.

He's whining about something others are ready to go to war over. Once the Idea Whose Time Has Come has obtained sufficient (and inevitable) saturation the US polity will experience a tectonic shift and it will be Open Season on those who feel entitled to object via violence.

No more appeasement.

Anonymous Anonymous November 01, 2017 8:49 AM  

@27 "When I was in Egypt I would see that kind of thing play out from time to time. Groups would fight internally until someone else showed up and then they would circle the wagons."

Machivelli explained how you deal with that. You quietly fund the weaker side so as to exhaust both sides with war, and then you offer your services as a neutral mediator. This effectively makes you the ruler of both sides.

Blogger SDaly November 01, 2017 8:59 AM  

At what point will it become useful strategy to start putting the wedges in the Democratic party's fault lines and hammering away?

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 01, 2017 9:02 AM  

I don't know if this was in the original 2002 article, but this is from the book.


A CRUNCHY CON MANIFESTO
1. We are conservatives who stand outside the conservative mainstream; therefore, we can see things that matter more clearly.
2. Modern conservatism has become too focused on money, power, and the accumulation of stuff, and insufficiently concerned with the content of our individual and social character.
3. Big business deserves as much skepticism as big government.
4. Culture is more important than politics and economics.
5. A conservatism that does not practice restraint, humility, and good stewardship—especially of the natural world—is not fundamentally conservative.
6. Small, Local, Old, and Particular are almost always better than Big, Global, New, and Abstract.
7. Beauty is more important than efficiency.
8. The relentlessness of media-driven pop culture deadens our senses to authentic truth, beauty, and wisdom.
9. We share Russell Kirk's conviction that "the institution most essential to conserve is the family.

Blogger Stilicho November 01, 2017 9:02 AM  

@Phillip George. I have a wife.

Anonymous Reality Check November 01, 2017 9:05 AM  

Only a few people get it. If muslims are running over people with trucks, jews will make ads that you white crackers are running people over with trucks.

Anonymous Clay November 01, 2017 9:10 AM  

I have tried to read this thread two times. I got so disgusted.

Everyone seems to be scared of saying they are WHITE....Caucasin, even.

You guys suck. I'm 1/2 Italian...1/2 German. Proud of it. I don't need any ancestory.com to prove it. It was done years ago by my grandparents.

I'm so white, I would set off alarms at a marvin loofah king parade. (tho, I do have the sort of olive skin complexion Ite's have) At least, that's what the girls say. I never need to tan!

Anonymous Takin' a Look November 01, 2017 9:10 AM  

@quayb

We call it Chronic Negro Fatigue. Most members of other species of humans get tuckered out around them as well.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 9:34 AM  

Reality Check wrote:Only a few people get it. If muslims are running over people with trucks, jews will make ads that you white crackers are running people over with trucks.
It wasn't Jews. It was wetbacks.

Anonymous Grayman November 01, 2017 9:40 AM  

@71. Reality Check

Forget the Jews (although they do have to go...), its more a sign of the feminine emotional struggle in the current matriarchy. The feminine collective cannot accept that any one group is generally responsible for a given activity, as such their automatic response is a claim of false equivalency.... well whites do it to... well men do it to.... etc etc etc.

Blogger Student in Blue November 01, 2017 9:44 AM  

@72. Clay
Everyone seems to be scared of saying they are WHITE....Caucasin, even.

My genes don't trace back to Caucasus.

Anonymous Reality Check November 01, 2017 9:44 AM  

>>It wasn't Jews. It was wetbacks.

Latino Victory board members...

http://latinovictory.us/board-members/

(((Stuart Appelbaum))) is the President of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union. He is also the chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store International Union and Industry Benefit Funds.

Applebaum also currently serves as an Executive Vice-President of the 1.3 million-member United Food and Commercial Workers International Union. Additionally, he serves as the Director of the Legislative and Political Affairs Department.

Appelbaum is a Vice-President of the national AFL-CIO and a member of the federation’s Executive Council. He is the vice president of the New York State AFL-CIO.

He is an officer of two global union federations: IUF (International Union of Food, Agricultural, Hotel, Restaurant, Catering, Tobacco and Allied Workers’ Associations) and UNI (Union Network International). Appelbaum is President of UNI Global Commerce (representing 160 unions and 4 million workers worldwide).

Appelbaum was appointed by Governor Andrew Cuomo to the Regional Economic Development Committee for New York City, where he serves on the Executive Committee.

Blogger pyrrhus November 01, 2017 9:47 AM  

@23 "I call this evolution 'Schrodinger's Cuck', where the cuck decides in order to keep being a cuck he has to stop being a cuck thus inducing two cognitively simultaneous states. "

Nice! In fact, nearly all Republican politicians are in a state of superposition, where they appear occupy both conservative and liberal positions at the same time...Quantum theory works!

Anonymous Reality Check November 01, 2017 9:48 AM  

>>Forget the Jews (although they do have to go...),

Like I said, few people get it.

Latino Victory --> (((Stuart Appelbaum))) --> Governor Andrew Cuomo --> muslims are running over people with trucks in NYC, but jews will make ads that you white crackers are running people over with trucks.

how is it possible for you to not see it?

Anonymous vfm November 01, 2017 9:53 AM  

"They have returned to the ideas of economic nationalism which Hamilton and the early Republican Party followed, the American School of economics of the American Whigs. He misstates this as being on the "Left".

Hamilton was a liar and a fraud.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/11/brion-mcclanahan/hamilton-liar/

Anonymous Grayman November 01, 2017 9:53 AM  

@58 Emmanuel Mateo-Morales

And quite a significant segment of the white population would be jumping in with every one else but whites and whites would need to kill somewhere between 25 to 33 percent of their own population because ideologies generally don't change fast enough to matter in war and there's no magic that's going to make lefties, of which whites are a considerable, probably the single most important component of, magical subscribe to the white first or even just rightward ideology they would need to in order to magically switch sides.

You make it sound like a bad thing. The hard left are serious liabilities that have the ability to be "vectors" of re-infection of a society. You eliminate them or send them packing back to the dark lands with the hordes they love so much. a 1/3 loss factor is acceptable.

Blogger wired216 November 01, 2017 9:55 AM  

If you can't follow this thread, which I can while having cocktails, you are to short for this ride.

Blogger James Dixon November 01, 2017 9:57 AM  

> I still cannot figure out why Dreher has taken, indeed continues to take, so long to come around on the identity issue.

He's a Churchian, and has bought the civic nationalist and color blind society spiel lock, stock, and barrel. It takes time to overcome that.

> Obama may very well turn out to have been the last dem president ever.

It would be nice, but don't count your chickens. Besides, it not like either of the Bushes or Nixon were anything to write home about. More of them would be just as bad as the Dem's.

> ...and whites would need to kill somewhere between 25 to 33 percent of their own population...

It's been done. But it won't need to be anywhere near that many. Most people are non-combatants. It's only the nature of the war that may cause it to be that many.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) November 01, 2017 9:59 AM  

39. VD November 01, 2017 7:13 AM
Podesta is not a violent man who openly admits to attacking others with rocks, bricks, hammers, and baseball bats.



ah, but you have materially changed the hypothesis.

there were clearly no rocks, bricks, hammers, baseball bats or cacti in the original scenario.

https://i.imgur.com/CYp5G6S.jpg

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 01, 2017 10:00 AM  

I liked his book, but he is basically effeminate and needs to constantly virtue signal like a woman.

Reading Elizabeth Custer's book on her life with General Custer and fully a third of the book is to remind her readers of her virtue, other than that very interesting.

Anonymous Grayman November 01, 2017 10:08 AM  

@78. pyrrhus

So are you suggesting we need to put all republicans in a sealed chamber with a strong gamma source in order to try and observe their true state?

I suppose we should get started then, who has the cobalt-60 handy? And we are going to need a large lead lined room with cement walls aboutt 14 inches thick.

pyrrhus, would it work to observe the process via hardened CCTV or do we just cover the source and observe the contents of the chamber after a set period of time?

Anonymous Grayman November 01, 2017 10:11 AM  

@79 reality

Oh we see it.... the demand for woddchippers is going to YUGE as the socioeconomic tide turns.
Much like investing, timing is everything and being too early can be just as "wrong" as being too late.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 10:27 AM  

Student in Blue wrote:My genes don't trace back to Caucasus.
Actually, they probably do. And if they don't, your culture and linguistics certainly do. That's where Proto-Indo-European comes from.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 10:34 AM  

Reality Check wrote:how is it possible for you to not see it?
How is it possible that you didn't notice that he's one of four on the board, and not the one defending the ad? Yeah, the Jews in America rarely seem to have the interests of America at heart. But you're way too eager to scapegoat them for everything. The rest of the Fake Americans need to go too.

And if this is your example of a Jewish problem, wow, you really could have picked a much better one.

Anonymous europeasant November 01, 2017 10:36 AM  

I was one of the early subscribers to TAC. After a few years I came to the realization that TAC was not a reality based magazine.

Blogger Student in Blue November 01, 2017 10:37 AM  

Actually, they probably do. And if they don't, your culture and linguistics certainly do. That's where Proto-Indo-European comes from.

Well, hadn't thought of it that way, but I'm a bit skeptical just how relevant that area is to current day genetics. At best it'd be skull shape, right?

Anonymous Grayman November 01, 2017 10:49 AM  

@90

If you are going that far back, its starting to look like modern humans arose from the general region of turkey, not the whole "out of Africa" BS. which also implies that Africans are possible just as far from the "ice peoples" as are the aboriginal Australians.

Blogger Matamoros November 01, 2017 10:55 AM  

@2 It is the folks who pay for the whole grievance industry who are tired of it.

When these people switch over and begin financing wholeheartedly alt-right efforts you will know that the tide has not only changed, but the end is in sight.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III November 01, 2017 10:59 AM  

Semi-On topic...

The "It's okay to be White" meme is getting some traction.

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/147465831
http://archive.is/udeLW

Blogger VFM #7634 November 01, 2017 11:00 AM  

But ask yourself this question. Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?

Perhaps he's still operating under the assumption that the "right-wing" view on economic policy is to support free trade, and for foreign policy to be a neocontard.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 11:01 AM  

Student in Blue wrote:Actually, they probably do. And if they don't, your culture and linguistics certainly do. That's where Proto-Indo-European comes from.

Well, hadn't thought of it that way, but I'm a bit skeptical just how relevant that area is to current day genetics. At best it'd be skull shape, right?

No, the genetic base of Europe is a combination just a few archaic populations; Neolithic farmers, indigenous paleolithic hunter-gatherers, and Caucasian proto-Indo-Europeans. That's still true today, although obviously the three groups have merged and then been subject to significant genetic drift, but they haven't been significantly supplemented by anything else since.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 11:03 AM  

Grayman wrote:@90

If you are going that far back, its starting to look like modern humans arose from the general region of turkey, not the whole "out of Africa" BS. which also implies that Africans are possible just as far from the "ice peoples" as are the aboriginal Australians.

There's even an Out of America hypothesis, which I like in part because it's so shockingly iconoclastic. But yeah; there's really no explanation that can get around the fact that early modern humans spread INTO Africa from some other vector.

Blogger Phelps November 01, 2017 11:03 AM  

It impressed upon me the injustice of the days when prejudice kept women and minorities for being considered fairly for jobs.

A key difference -- in the "injustice" days, there were plenty of qualified white males to hire, and finding someone to fill the role wasn't difficult. If it was difficult, they dropped the "injustice" part and immediately hired whoever would do the job.

Now, they are desperately seeking anyone but Cis White Male and putting in incompetent replacements instead.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 11:05 AM  

@90 https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/science/dna-deciphers-roots-of-modern-europeans.html

I'm playing a little fast and loose with the definition of Caucasion. The Yamnya guys really lived in the steppes just north of the Caucasus, although their connections to the region (particularly as their source of copper and later bronze) is undeniable.

Anonymous franklinjennings November 01, 2017 11:07 AM  

@Samuel Nock

He's from a decent southern family, and grew up in the 'new' south. Anything that gives the appearance of racism is anathema to the New South middle class.

If you aren't southern, much less southron, that probably sounds like bullshit, but that's because other people's stereotypes of us are usually bullshit.

Blogger Sheila4g November 01, 2017 11:23 AM  

@89 Desdichado: "How is it possible that you didn't notice that he's one of four on the board, and not the one defending the ad? Yeah, the Jews in America rarely seem to have the interests of America at heart. But you're way too eager to scapegoat them for everything."

Actually, per a commenter at Chateau Heartiste, the ad's producer was one Emily Tisch Sussman. Per a commenter at Sailer, Tucker Carlson interviewed her on 10/30. Sailer's commenter also added some bio on Sussman:

The bride, 33, is keeping her name. She is the campaign director for the Center for American Progress in Washington and was the executive director of the Young Democrats of America for the 2012 elections. She graduated from Skidmore College and received a law degree from the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University.

Her father is the founder and chief investment officer of Paloma Partners, a hedge fund in Greenwich, and is on the board of Carnegie Hall. Her mother is the founder of the Laurie M. Tisch Illumination Fund, a foundation that increases access and opportunity for New Yorkers through the arts and education and promotes healthy eating. Her mother is also the vice chairwoman of the boards of Lincoln Center and the Whitney Museum of Art, and a board member for the New York Giants, of which she and her family are co-owners.

Now as you were saying "And if this is your example of a Jewish problem, wow, you really could have picked a much better one." Pray continue.

Blogger kurt9 November 01, 2017 11:28 AM  

Repeat after me (around liberals): Do you want more Trump? Because this is how you get more trump.

Trump for '20.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett November 01, 2017 11:28 AM  

@Sherwood Family

Any sailor or marine has seen the same thing. Sniping and ribbing and fighting, until a soldier wanders up on the scene...

Blogger Sheila4g November 01, 2017 11:31 AM  

@61 VD: " . . . whites would need to kill somewhere between 25 to 33 percent of their own population.

Yes, so what? Do you think we don't already know that? Why do you think SJW and liberal whites are on drugs and in a constant state of near-panic?"

If I missed any other mention here of VDare's fascinating post comparing the "mouse utopia" experiment and the modern West's demise, let me know. Since those people who are the result of "spiteful mutations" are intent on destroying those who aren't, then they absolutely will have to be physically removed, one way or another. As Vox indicated, this is hardly news for the Alt Right.

Anonymous Bukulu November 01, 2017 11:53 AM  

Philip George @7:06am,

Podesta. Duh.

Of which of those two do you want to read the headline "Dies shortly after sharing taxi ride with mysterious stranger"? Hint: it ain't Carson.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 11:54 AM  

Sheila4g wrote:
Now as you were saying "And if this is your example of a Jewish problem, wow, you really could have picked a much better one." Pray continue.

Sigh. Wow, so you found out that the Latino Victory Fund (a rather sinister name, if you think about it) went to a Jew with a talent for filmography to make their movie for them. Are you suggesting that the LATINO Victory Fund disagrees the message in any way?

Seriously; you guys who see sinister Jews behind every bush waiting to murder or rape every white person who walks by are tiresome. Stop acting like they're the ONLY enemies that matter. That ship sailed decades ago.

Blogger Student in Blue November 01, 2017 11:58 AM  

@95. Desdichado
That's still true today, although obviously the three groups have merged and then been subject to significant genetic drift, but they haven't been significantly supplemented by anything else since.

Well, my first post was wrong, but the original aim of it apparently wasn't: Caucasian is a dumb term for those of primarily European ethnicity.

Anonymous Grayman November 01, 2017 11:58 AM  

@103 Sheila

Also consider this nugget even if a bit long its still a great listen and compliments the “mousetopia” angle:
Why Civilizations Rise and Fall | Michael Woodley of Menie and Stefan Molyneux
https://youtu.be/7XAzSfqrzPg

partial TLDR: functionally unlimited resources shifted the west from group reproductive approaches to individual approaches. And IQ is falling fast.

Blogger James Dixon November 01, 2017 12:01 PM  

> Are you suggesting that the LATINO Victory Fund disagrees the message in any way?

I'm suggesting that the Latino Vicory Fund would never have thought of that particular ad on their own.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) November 01, 2017 12:03 PM  

105. Desdichado November 01, 2017 11:54 AM
went to a Jew with a talent


*snicker*

why is it ALWAYS a "Jew with talent", i wonder?

and why is it that in the Bible "talent" is a unit of money?

tis a conundrum. couldn't possibly be related.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Talent_%28measurement%29

Blogger Dirk Manly November 01, 2017 12:05 PM  

OT... Hollywood panicking about sexual shenanigans becoming public

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/shitty-media-men-list-accused-sexual-harassers-is-spreading-panic-1053468

Anonymous BBGKB November 01, 2017 12:06 PM  

publisher decided that he didn’t want a white male in that job, unless they couldn’t find anybody as qualified as me.

They probably don't have anywhere near that merit selection today.

whites would need to kill somewhere between 25 to 33 percent of their own population

First they came for the jews, I didn't speak out because I was not a jew
Then they came for the blacks, I didn't speak out because I was not a black
Then they came for the wetbacks, I didn't speak out because the wetbacks all fled
Then they realized most of their problems were solved so they stopped coming for people.

..."Which is why whites who live near the border or in areas with high immigrant populations or high minority populations tend to have a much dimmer view of the prospects of peaceful coexistence over the long term

I worked in inner city hospitals for over 6 years, & was in the army. I have never meet a black as smart as (((seen on TV)))

jews will make ads that you white crackers are running people over with trucks.It wasn't Jews. It was wetbacks.

Without jews and their rule by jew judges, wetbacks wouldn't be a problem. You know it was jews that changed US immigration policy in 1965 to get less Cambridge graduates and more 3rd world right?

Warning really ugly jewess: http://www.vdare.com/posts/impeach-kritarch-patti-saris-for-illegally-trying-to-stop-deportations

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 12:06 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:Well, my first post was wrong, but the original aim of it apparently wasn't: Caucasian is a dumb term for those of primarily European ethnicity.
True. And my half-assed defense of it was—at best—kinda spergy. What can I say? The early Indo-Europeans and their contribution to the modern world is a particular interest of mine.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 12:08 PM  

Without jews and their rule by jew judges, wetbacks wouldn't be a problem. You know it was jews that changed US immigration policy in 1965 to get less Cambridge graduates and more 3rd world right?

Yes, of course, but that's water under the bridge now. The wetbacks are HERE now, and getting rid of them is a bigger problem than getting rid of the Jews.

Anonymous BBGKB November 01, 2017 12:10 PM  

I'm suggesting that the Latino Vicory Fund would never have thought of that particular ad on their own.

Anything other than VIVA VIVA VIVA would have to be created by the smarter latinos who stayed in Mexico because they didn't want to lose their mental elevation over the crowd. They would lose an entire SD worth of bonus IQ if they crossed the border. I admit to having wetback exes.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 01, 2017 12:11 PM  

Perhaps he's still operating under the assumption that the "right-wing" view on economic policy is to support free trade, and for foreign policy to be a neocontard.

I think you're correct

Anonymous Grayman November 01, 2017 12:16 PM  

@113

The wetbacks are HERE now, and getting rid of them is a bigger problem than getting rid of the Jews.

Not really. The wetbacks are easy, the Jews are hard. The Jews play chameleon and like to mix in. They are also much better at social manipulation then the wetbacks.

With the wetbacks is more of a logistics problem. kill their support infrastructure (welfare programs, money transfers back, enforce labor laws in a draconian manner) followed by the right "encouragement" and the wetback herd starts flowing south with small pockets of mop-up required. All in about 30 million.

Jews would be more like a counter-intelligence operation, identifying the "moles", turned agents and removing them. Harder to solve than a logistics problem..... Although proper application of the NSA databases and some good data mining algorithms and you could have a list in no time flat.

Blogger Rashadjin November 01, 2017 12:19 PM  

Sheila4gNovember 01, 2017 11:31 AM
@61 VD: " . . . whites would need to kill somewhere between 25 to 33 percent of their own population.
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Yes, so what? Do you think we don't already know that? Why do you think SJW and liberal whites are on drugs and in a constant state of near-panic?"
-
If I missed any other mention here of VDare's fascinating post comparing the "mouse utopia" experiment and the modern West's demise, let me know. Since those people who are the result of "spiteful mutations" are intent on destroying those who aren't, then they absolutely will have to be physically removed, one way or another. As Vox indicated, this is hardly news for the Alt Right.


I'll need to check the mousetopia experiment later, but I think the American dynamic is going to be a little different than people here are expecting. Also more interesting.

Contrary to libtard beliefs, the conservative mindset isn't racist; it's heavy in-group preference.

And unfortunately for libtards, the brainwasing to make US conservatives colorblind has mostly succeeded.

To put it in terms popular around here, a lot of white people are going to look very brown when the time comes. And certain brown people are going to look very white. Doesn't matter whether that's preferable, and no, it won't be universal.

The lurch back to seeing color won't be the same as how history normally plays out, but it will get progressively closer the longer things drag on.

But at no point will that spare white progressives.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 12:21 PM  

@116—That's no different (except even smaller in scope) than your typical SWPL Leftist. They don't ALL have blue hair, tons of piercings and weigh 300 lbs after all.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 01, 2017 12:26 PM  

Actually, they probably do. And if they don't, your culture and linguistics certainly do. That's where Proto-Indo-European comes from.

@88 Desdichado
Have you ever looked at Caucasian languages? If you exclude the Turkic and Indo-European imports, they're a crazy set of muk-muk that have far more in common with American Indian languages than Indo-European ones.

Proto-Indo-European most likely came out of Eastern Europe (Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine), not the Caucasus.

I agree. "Caucasian" is a stupid term. I'm fine with "Caucasoid", but in scientific contexts where you have consider Europeans together with the Middle Eastern Muslim trash.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 01, 2017 12:28 PM  

I'll need to check the mousetopia experiment later, but I think the American dynamic is going to be a little different than people here are expecting. Also more interesting.

@117 Rashadjin
The mousetopia experiment is what happens to a human population that relies on FEELZ rather than reason. Like every progtard I know.

Blogger Student in Blue November 01, 2017 12:32 PM  

@112. Desdichado
What can I say? The early Indo-Europeans and their contribution to the modern world is a particular interest of mine.

Blessed are the spergs, for theirs is the accuracy on esoteric information that winds up being really useful in specific situations.

Blogger James Dixon November 01, 2017 12:37 PM  

> Blessed are the spergs, for theirs is the accuracy on esoteric information that winds up being really useful in specific situations.

I like that. Mind if I steal it for some future use?

Anonymous SprigulNitz PookieHammer November 01, 2017 12:42 PM  

Here it is one last time, gang. With Markku's permission ("I'll look the other way if you don't post it with one of your original names, or a close variant thereof "), I give you "The Menace of Doc Vox!"

https://medium.com/@Death_Ray/the-menace-of-doc-vox-b5b070a8af4c

Blogger Student in Blue November 01, 2017 12:53 PM  

@122. James Dixon

Well, per the wacky left view on capitalism, I am required to charge you an arm and a leg for the most basic things, so... which side's your offhand?

Things have been busy, so I could the extra hand.

On second thought, just feel free and use it. Good honest Ilk shouldn't have to foot the bill.

Blogger DonReynolds November 01, 2017 12:57 PM  

Speaking only in terms of American history, neither major political party is ideological. Both parties have a Left and Right wing....yes, a conservative and liberal faction in the party. That is not to say that the opposing factions are the same size or have the same influence within the party. In American politics, the ideological arguments are normally confined to the party meetings, as opposing factions (wings) duke it out for control of the party, the choice of candidate, and the platform. Both parties want to win elections and gain in power and keep the power they have. What the voting public sees at the end of the campaign season is the "best effort" of both parties, with the ultimate goal of winning the vote.

Traditionally, the Solid South was the more conservative vote, often voting with Midwestern Democrats to defeat Northeastern Republicans. So the goal of Republicans had always been to seduce Southern voters to vote Republican. Other than support for war-hero Eisenhower, they failed until Nixon and his Southern Strategy....a strategy that completely won the South after the debacle of Southern Democrat Carter. The Democrat party did not have any success in carrying the South until they again ran a pair of Southern Democrats Clinton/Gore. In more recent elections, the political parties have become regional parties, giving up very few states from one election to the next. As the Democrats have moved to the Left and the Republicans have moved to the Right, we have seen the rise of the Independent voters in the middle third. Now a power, able to cast the deciding vote in every election, yet without a party of their own. The independent middle is where elections are won and lost and this spells the end of the Left in the Democrat party and the end of the (often Religious) Right in the Republican party. Bernie was kept from the nomination for the same reason that Cruz was kept from the nomination. Neither one could appeal to the Independent middle.

Blogger Meimou November 01, 2017 1:01 PM  

DexterNovember
"Why is a registered Independent whose economic and foreign policy views are to the left of the average Republican's writing for The American Conservative?"

Because cuckservatives think it's "about ideology, not skin color

Because cuckservatives think it's about ideology, not race. Skin color isn't important because skin color is not race. Rhetoric matters

Anonymous Avalanche November 01, 2017 1:02 PM  

@16 "get people together so they understand each other" backfire over the long run. It is not ignorance that has people disliking each other. It is experience."

My husband -- born at Emory in Atlanta -- used to ask me, exasperated: "what is WRONG with you Northerners?!" Well, I grew up in NY -- there were TWO (count 'em TWO) negroes in my entire (500-count) high school class. They were most assuredly oreos! (And, I didn't realize till 2 decades later: we never socialized with them outside of school!)

HOW was I or my classmates to ever know that it was NOT 'merely skin color' that set us apart? The two I knew acted just like us. My parents had 'black friends' (met through classical music: you know, White European music) were at the very high end of the Bell curve (And I never thought anything about the one who named his dog MalcomX, seemed like a joke! HE always "seemed" White. The friend, not the dog: a big black Briard....)

The idea of growing up surrounded in every direction by blacks and thus knowing -- FOR SURE -- what the majority were actually like, never occurred to me. I'm still surprised by how sullen, unpleasant, bad at customer service of any sort, in any venue, blacks are around Atlanta. And doubly surprised on a trip up to Lexington how polite, friendly warm and likeable the black were in restaurants and hotels on the trip!!

And, of course, I was very surprised when I entered the Navy to discover what "real blacks" were like. (It was NOT good! Still, I got a lot of practice at assigning NJP...) So, now I'm an eeeeevil racist hater nazi homophobe (which will surprise my gay friends!) White supremacist. 'kay-whatevah. White flight, White flight -- where can I go?!

(Still, I keep hoping the idiot-lib-progs who get beaten up by their "but wait! I'm on your side" "black friends" finally get a clue. Not expecting it though.)

Blogger JohnofAustria November 01, 2017 1:03 PM  

More evidence for the idea of converting white liberals. It will just take time or shock.

Also explains why the media machine pushes "no kids for whites" since they won't have anything to fight for.

Blogger JohnofAustria November 01, 2017 1:05 PM  

@127, yeah, there is a strong correlation between UMC white people who think they like blacks, and not having to live among them.

Blogger DonReynolds November 01, 2017 1:24 PM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:

And quite a significant segment of the white population would be jumping in with every one else but whites and whites would need to kill somewhere between 25 to 33 percent of their own population because ideologies generally don't change fast enough to matter in war and there's no magic that's going to make lefties, of which whites are a considerable, probably the single most important component of, magical subscribe to the white first or even just rightward ideology they would need to in order to magically switch sides.


You may want to reconsider.
Long before there are any foxholes to jump into, the radical Left is going to purge their own ranks of all but the most fanatical white Leftists. They will do this as a form of human sacrifice, virtue signaling that they are firmly on the side of Negro militants, Hispanic LaRaza foreign nationals, and even more foreign Muslim invaders. They will declare themselves to be the Anti-White Party, which would also include the contradiction of allying themselves with sexual deviants.

In short, it won't be necessary for whites to kill off a quarter to a third of whites, once there are foxholes being dug in wartime. The Left will drive them out....either to our side or into a suspended state of frustrated neutrality.

When Vox says that Alt-Right is inevitable, it is because of what the Left will do to weaken themselves, as much as the appeal of Alt-Right itself. The Left has no toleration for any variation from their narrative and they have proven their determination to sacrifice what support they have from whites in order to curry favor with ethnic minorities. Alt-Right does not become the White Party by their own hand but by the foolish methods of their fanatical opponents on the Left.

Wars are not only won by your own good decisions. They are also won by the bad decisions of your enemy.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY November 01, 2017 2:07 PM  

127. Avalanche
Husband says " northerners" instead of " damn yankees ", that's a carperbagger ancestry tell. You must get your happy hineys back above the Mason-Dixon line where you belong.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 01, 2017 2:21 PM  

@127 Avalanche

My husband -- born at Emory in Atlanta
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You know what we call people who attend Emory (college)? Emeroids :P

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 01, 2017 2:34 PM  

Rien wrote:it will be the early alt-right'ers job to hold the "newly converted" back from outright killing of the minorities.
If we leave the minorities here, we'll just have the same thing happen again.  And if we lose, we lose everything, forever.

We're going to have to kill every last one that won't go.  We can't leave them here; even half-breeds like the one posting at Field Negro hate White people.

@15  If the Fusion GPS affair doesn't bring the whole national party down first.

Blogger James Dixon November 01, 2017 2:36 PM  

> Husband says " northerners" instead of " damn yankees ",

Of course he says "northerners" - to his wife. My wife is polite and doesn't call me a mixed mongrel for being from WV either.

Blogger Desdichado November 01, 2017 2:56 PM  

@117; You're almost certainly right, but that's only the most militant SJW wing, really. In Trumperica, every day is Halloween (apologies to Ministry) and America has been trick-or-treating for red pills like crazy. Already the alt-right has a somewhat surprisingly high approval rating among Americans (what was it last time I looked; 10%?) and it's still on the bleeding edge. As more and more events push people towards the attitudes that the alt-right stands for (even if they reject the label), things are going to look quite a bit different when the actual chimp-out apocalypse happens.

Not saying that you're making this, but I see that many do—it's a category error to assume that when it really gets going that people's attitudes are going to be the same as they are today.

Blogger weka November 01, 2017 3:51 PM  

Nah, mortgage.
The conservative trusts have money, and he weaseled his way to that trough.

Blogger weka November 01, 2017 3:52 PM  

Please.

Anonymous sowhatiftheyfindme November 01, 2017 4:02 PM  

So many good red pilled comments. The Left is crumbling and I suspect there will be the emergence of an actual White Left/Socialist group--which yes, begs the obvious questions and issues--there already are Socialist Whites who are "racists"...I suspect that for one election cycle the new (de facto White) Democrat/Socialist party formed out of the DNC will be low key on race, but by the next cycle will be full on Nativist/White in identity.

Blogger Thursday November 01, 2017 5:05 PM  

So, isn't it interesting that Rod, the leftist at heart, has moved towards Trump and the Republican Party, while Jonah, who is of the ideological Right, still refuses to support Trump despite his conservative actions.

God people, Dreher isn't a leftist. That's the standard smear that NRO minions have for Pat Buchanan-types who are anti-war and not particularly libertarian in their economics. Dreher is a slightly cuckier version of Buchanan.

Jonah Goldberg's definition of right wing is basically warmongering + tax cuts. F that noise.

Blogger Thursday November 01, 2017 5:09 PM  

Perhaps he's still operating under the assumption that the "right-wing" view on economic policy is to support free trade, and for foreign policy to be a neocontard.

We have a winner.

It was always absurd to call a strong social conservative like Dreher a leftist, and use Jonah Goldbergian standards to do so.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett November 01, 2017 5:43 PM  

Bailing water is a waste of effort until you kill the guy drilling holes in the hull...

And you wonder why the nation's of the world hate you.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs November 01, 2017 6:38 PM  

I read the comments from that Democrat chick earlier today. My first thought was "so, they're not looking for the best available computer security people. Hmmm, I wonder how long it'll be until they're hacked?"

Blogger Were-Puppy November 01, 2017 6:47 PM  

@138 sowhatiftheyfindme

So many good red pilled comments. The Left is crumbling and I suspect there will be the emergence of an actual White Left/Socialist group
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Isn't this already here as the
Swastika Justice Warriors?

Anonymous Shield of Truth November 01, 2017 7:04 PM  

“The Left is crumbling and I suspect there will be the emergence of an actual White Left/Socialist group”

This already exists. It’s called the white working class. My idiot brother is an electrician in a trade union. He voted for Trump because he is a racist who loves FDR socialism. There are millions of his kind who voted Trump in Ohio, Michigan, etc. They love socialism and hate the Constitution and free markets. They want higher taxes on Wall Street. They want expanded Medicare. They want trillions on infrastructure. These idiot white union guys are who we are stuck with thanks to Trump and Bannon’s socialistic policies.

Anonymous LT Observer November 01, 2017 7:08 PM  

“The Left is crumbling and I suspect there will be the emergence of an actual White Left/Socialist group”

This already exists. It’s called the white working class. My idiot brother is an electrician in a trade union. He voted for Trump because he is a racist who loves FDR socialism. There are millions of his kind who voted Trump in Ohio, Michigan, etc. They love socialism and hate the Constitution and free markets. They want higher taxes on Wall Street. They want expanded Medicare. They want trillions on infrastructure. These idiot white union guys are who we are stuck with thanks to Trump and Bannon’s socialistic policies.

Blogger WynnLloyd November 01, 2017 7:18 PM  

I know the type you speak of. They do everything to avoid being seen as those other southerners, the working-class and middle-class ones whom they despise and look down on. They are hyper-vigilant against being labeled racist because they feel like they are uniquely vulnerable.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning November 01, 2017 8:43 PM  

Phillip George wrote:Solomon never faked an erection.

Good for Solomon, by golly. Um, how exactly do you fake an erection? (asking for a friend)

Anonymous Avalanche November 01, 2017 10:31 PM  

@36 "tail-end Boomer, albeit of the non-evil variety)"

{giggling} We ALL say that!

Blogger James Dixon November 01, 2017 11:01 PM  

> These idiot white union guys are who we are stuck with thanks to Trump and Bannon’s socialistic policies.

Did you consider Reagan socialist? Because they voted for him too.

Blogger Elizabeth November 01, 2017 11:10 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@36 "tail-end Boomer, albeit of the non-evil variety)"

{giggling} We ALL say that!


Our generation gets bashed on the Alt-Right sites. (Wail) No one loves us!

Anonymous Avalanche November 01, 2017 11:15 PM  

@131 Husband says " northerners" instead of " damn yankees ", that's a carperbagger ancestry tell. You must get your happy hineys back above the Mason-Dixon line where you belong.

*I* say Northerners cause I were one! (Happily, I have been recovered to my race and senses! I now call it the War of Northern Aggression -- and I mean it!! He also had me practice saying bu-wull-sheee-it... which I got pretty good at; but he never did master "Longh-high-land

(When I came here to meet him in person for the first time, on the day I flew back west, he took me out to Stone Mountain -- and I had an epiphany that began the new stage of My Awakening. He got a bit choked up about Robert E. Lee, his hero, and somehow, we got talking about 'national' songs -- and he said, "no OF COURSE the star spangled banana was NOT his national song! His was Dixie!" (or whatever it was, I don't remember)(did I mention *I* am a damn yankee?) That "just because his people lost the war did NOT mean that he switched allegiance!!"

!!!! (Product of American schools: that had never ever ever even entered, much less crossed, my mind!! Wow! Eyes opened!!)

Anonymous Avalanche November 01, 2017 11:18 PM  

@134 "Husband says " northerners" instead of " damn yankees",
Of course he says "northerners" - to his wife."

Plus, I was actually educable, so I could and DID switch allegiance!

Blogger Dirk Manly November 02, 2017 5:16 AM  



"this isn't a virtue signal.
would you rather share a taxi with Ben Carson or John Podesta?"

Both are outliers, so the answer to this particular circumstance does not apply in the general case.

Blogger Desdichado November 02, 2017 7:47 AM  

Shield of Truth wrote:This already exists. It’s called the white working class. My idiot brother is an electrician in a trade union. He voted for Trump because he is a racist who loves FDR socialism. There are millions of his kind who voted Trump in Ohio, Michigan, etc. They love socialism and hate the Constitution and free markets. They want higher taxes on Wall Street. They want expanded Medicare. They want trillions on infrastructure. These idiot white union guys are who we are stuck with thanks to Trump and Bannon’s socialistic policies.
Don't be an idiot. We're stuck with them because of decades of Democrat socialism, going back to the Progressive era. If you want to blame a Republican for that, blame Teddy Roosevelt. Trump and Bannon aren't socialist.

Blogger Desdichado November 02, 2017 7:48 AM  

Avalanche wrote:*I* say Northerners cause I were one! (Happily, I have been recovered to my race and senses! I now call it the War of Northern Aggression -- and I mean it!!
It's not a carpetbagger tell; he's just being silly. My family have been Southerners since the late 1600s, and we say Northerners too, most of the time. Geography is what it is.

Blogger Rashadjin November 02, 2017 10:39 AM  

Correct.

But I'd go with Ben Carson. I've high patience and could expect more interesting and relevant stories/convos out of him.

Podesta is just asking to have all the usual delusional talking points spewed at you until you're forced to strangle the man.

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