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Monday, November 06, 2017

Two American badasses

Compare and contrast the brave behavior of these two gentlemen to the cowardly performance of the Las Vegas Police Department:
Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, was leaving First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs after he opened fire on parishioners during mass when Stephen Willeford, 55, confronted him. Texas Department of Public Safety Regional Director Freeman Martin said Willeford, a keen biker, had 'grabbed his rifle and engaged the suspect.'

A local resident told DailyMail.com that Willeford, who attends a different church, was first alerted to the shooting when his daughter called him saying there was a man in body armor gunning down church goers. He grabbed his gun and bravely headed down to confront the killer.

The local said that while Willeford has no military experience, he is an excellent shot, and when he came face to face with Kelley, he didn't hesitate; he shot in between Kelley's body armor, hitting him in his side. The 26-year-old had dropped his Ruger assault rifle and climbed in an SUV to flee the scene.

He said that Kelley had taken a hostage in the passenger seat as he fled. But another local resident, Johnnie Langendorff, who had witnessed the confrontation refused to let the shooter get away. Both he and Willeford, a local plumber, jumped in his truck and gave chase.

In a Facebook post, Langendorff's girlfriend Summer Caddel described how the pair had 'jumped in my boyfriend's truck and they chased that sick b*****d down in pursuit until the cops could catch up. He was able to run the shooter off of the road on 539!'

Langendorff told KSAT 12 that he'd been speeding at 95mph, while on the phone to dispatch, while Willeford kept his rifle trained on the gunman's car. As they approached a sharp curve in the road, near the 307 and 539, he said Kelley appeared to lose control and his car swerved off the road. 'That's when I put the truck in park,' he said. 'The other gentleman jumped out, and had his rifle on him. He didn't move after that.'
And let's not hear any more about how atheists are so persecuted in America, or how amazingly moral they are, when they are shooting up schools and churches and universities. No wonder they are the most distrusted group in the country.

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Anonymous Charlottesvillain November 06, 2017 4:52 AM  

Ask yourself: How many hardcore atheists have I met that were likable and of healthy mind?

Anonymous Dyskord November 06, 2017 5:19 AM  

Atheism is the refuge of the petty, small minded and disturbed.
Atheism isnt about enlightenment it doesnt take a compassionate soul to reject a power greater than oneself or a rational mind to believe in nothing. That we come from nothing and return to nothing and everything in between is magical science. Quite the opposite

Anonymous The Evil One November 06, 2017 5:28 AM  

Now now, you don't like it when people make generalizations about the religious. Also, just look at this guy: former Bible studies instructor; living with parents, massive weight gain between high school and 26, ... Texan. It's obvious he was quite disturbed, beyond a radical conversion to atheism in an environment that doesn't condone it.

Blogger Howard Stone November 06, 2017 5:30 AM  

In the darkest moments of my life it’s been my faith in Christ that has given me what I needed to overcome and carry on. Atheists do not have that.

Blogger The Observer November 06, 2017 5:38 AM  

former Bible studies instructor

For the grand total of one month.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly November 06, 2017 5:42 AM  

So before he embraced a religion where you declare yourself god, he...didn't...massacre people. That Christianity thing should really be regulated.

Blogger Howard Stone November 06, 2017 5:51 AM  

Here is the connection between Muslim terrorists and Antifa/BLM etc... They are both motivated by a sort of victim hood. They are angry and bitter and blame others for their troubles and challenges in life. They identify certain groups to blame for the way their lives have turned out, its easier than taking responsibility and beginning to work hard to make changes. When a Christian is faced with challenges or hardships, we believe that in most cases, God is testing us and giving us opportunity to exercise our faith, trust in him and grow as Christians. Muslim terrorists take on a victim mentality, and come to believe that all their problems are caused by infidels, and their despair turns into hate etc... but instead of giving them any hope or faith to carry on they are given into hatred plus the promise of reward if they can destroy what they’ve come to hate and blame for their situation in life, and it’s similar with these Marxists Antifa, BLM they have been told that they are victims and all their problems are caused by certain groups of people in their society, they are told that the only way their lives are going to get better is to purge these certain groups from their society, and Christians are the main group that they both are taught to hate and they are both taught that destroying this group will be the answer for all the pain and suffering in their lives.

Anonymous Ages November 06, 2017 5:56 AM  

The Dems are screaming for gun control again, yet it was an armed “gun nut” who stopped this.

Blogger Lovekraft November 06, 2017 5:56 AM  

Reflecting on my theory on how people act in modern western society in destructive ways by being 'turned out', be it drug/alcohol addiction, sexual perversion etc:

The media and the state turns out broken, alienated and envious people by the thousands. And these are the ones who don't end up doing abhorrent acts like this shooting, but rather are useful in stifling progress towards a more cohesive society.

Turning towards a higher power in time of despair means you accept the temporal nature of life, you get strength in His protection, and you develop a type of humility to somehow laugh off all our injustices. Many rewards for following this path, although they aren't always immediate and self-evident.

Anonymous simplytimothy November 06, 2017 6:03 AM  

"The Dems are screaming for gun control again, yet it was an armed “gun nut” who stopped this.",

And neocons:
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/927282682010263553

Anonymous Ages November 06, 2017 6:05 AM  

It’s a good reminder of the underlying principle of common law: the state simply exercises the inherent rights of the people, in their name.

The people’s right and duty to enforce the law and to defend others is typically entrusted to the police, but when the police are not around, those rights and duties are devolved to the people once again.

Understanding this, these wise Americans got themselves trained and prepared to enforce the law when it became necessary.

Anonymous simplytimothy November 06, 2017 6:06 AM  

They ran towards the fight.

This is what I expect if/when things go hot.

The American talent for spontaneous, self-organization will surprise those who have to go back.

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 06, 2017 6:10 AM  

It's more apparent with every mass shooting event that if we must have background checks for weapon purchases, the first two questions on the form should be
(1) Are you an Atheist, and
(2) Are you currently prescribed and taking medication(s) to treat mental illness(es).

As usual, the Mainstream Media willingly (or witlessly) conflates "assault rifle" with "scary big black gun thingy", and does it's best to get at least a few flecks of tar on Christians.

No discussion of "reporter control" when this type of libel is tossed about and then proved a lie. Strange, that!

Anonymous JAG November 06, 2017 6:19 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RmD3hGobP0

Pretty good break down in this video about this piece of crap's connections to Antifa. There's no question he was politically left wing.

Anonymous TS November 06, 2017 6:28 AM  

"That we come from nothing and return to nothing and everything in between is magical science."

And yet the atheist leftard scorpion keeps telling the frog (Kek) to trust him, he will do the right thing and won't sting him like all the other leftard scorpions did to other frogs.

Blogger Howard Stone November 06, 2017 6:35 AM  

The shooting was caught on tape and they will be releasing some of the footage to media shortly.

Anonymous TS November 06, 2017 6:35 AM  

"It’s a good reminder of the underlying principle of common law: the state simply exercises the inherent rights of the people, in their name.

The people’s right and duty to enforce the law and to defend others is typically entrusted to the police, but when the police are not around, those rights and duties are devolved to the people once again."

Is that some sort of sick joke!? Where did you get that fiction? The state is so far gone when it comes to people's rights it cannot even be considered to be exercising any of the sort.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 06, 2017 6:37 AM  

Oughta be immortalized somehow...

Blogger Howard Stone November 06, 2017 6:38 AM  

The church recorded all their services and uploaded them to YouTube, the shooter could have found the church on YouTube also knowing that he would be recorded could have been part of why he chose the church.

Anonymous ChristianAtheist November 06, 2017 6:38 AM  

And let's not hear any more about how once deeply religious men felt so disenfranchised and persecuted by the world, or how amazingly moral they thought they were, after they decided to imprison or exterminate tens of millions of people via death squads, labour camps, gulags, etc. No wonder the most seemingly pious of men who rejected their particular god are the most disgusting group in the world.

Blogger Stilicho November 06, 2017 6:41 AM  

Leftists gonna leftist, dems gonna dem, Neocons gonna neocon, cucks gonna cuck, atheists gonna atheist, schumers gonna schumer...

Tldr: tards gonna tard

Anonymous basementhomebrewer November 06, 2017 6:43 AM  

simplytimothy wrote:They ran towards the fight.

This is what I expect if/when things go hot.

The American talent for spontaneous, self-organization will surprise those who have to go back.



Truly. Also an observation from this week to go along with Vox's comparison. I find that the off duty cops that constantly bring that fact up in conversation tend to be the ones who are near worthless in any situation. There are entirely too many pension collectors who want to be able to use the "I'm a cop" line for instant credibility. I am starting to notice that the public is becoming more aware that people who continually bring up their profession tend to be the ones who are the worst at their jobs.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 06, 2017 6:44 AM  

The not a veteran thing is important.

That was going to be the press' first line of retreat from the narrative.

It wouldn't have mattered if the guy had a been a cook who was in for a single term. He would suddenly found out that he was a "retired Army sniper."

Anything but a civilian with a gun.

Blogger Pamela Parker November 06, 2017 6:48 AM  

Just to be clear I would class myself as 95% free from flour and sugar. I do sometimes have some fruit cordial with my fizzy water or sweet chilli sauce with my dinner. Bath Salts Rehab

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 06, 2017 6:56 AM  

Pamela Parker wrote:Just to be clear I would class myself as 95% free from flour and sugar. I do sometimes have some fruit cordial with my fizzy water or sweet chilli sauce with my dinner. Bath Salts Rehab



Pammy, until you kick that bath salts addiction, you will always be fat.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira November 06, 2017 7:18 AM  

I spent a month in Texas and New Mexico back in 2006, and I left with the impression that most Texans were like these two. I swear to God if I ever live anywhere else, I hope the Texans will take me. We can bond over firearms and I will teach them my hockey-playing ways.

Blogger Phat Repat November 06, 2017 7:21 AM  

Well, we know Rand Paul ain't a badass; 5 broken ribs, daaaannnngggg... but he was blindsided. Dem neighbors must be outlawed.

Blogger SirGroggy November 06, 2017 7:30 AM  

Thank God for heroic men.
I hope there will be a periscope about the issues that are implicit in this story.
(having Supreme Dark Lord periscope withdrawal symptoms).
The point about what atheists have done by comparison is worth meditating upon.

Anonymous DeeJay November 06, 2017 7:30 AM  

For that matter, why is the killer being reported as an 'unaffiliated' voter, when his registration from 2014 lists his party as 'UAF' (United Against Fascism)?

http://coloradovoters.info/by_number/6010/26425_devin_patrick_kelley.html

Anonymous CC November 06, 2017 7:31 AM  

They ran towards the fight.

This is what I expect if/when things go hot.

The American talent for spontaneous, self-organization will surprise those who have to go back.


Yes, not to detract or distract from the tragedy here, but that is very heartening and encouraging.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 06, 2017 7:34 AM  

Atheism control now.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 06, 2017 7:38 AM  

The left is making it increasingly clear that there is no way they will be taking my guns. Outlaws and guns.

Blogger tuberman November 06, 2017 7:44 AM  

Yeah, that was great, the one guy shooting back, and the perp dropping his gun and running away, then the guy with truck showing up and chasing antifa down.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 06, 2017 7:59 AM  

My outrage quotient is high nowadays due to the equally high insistence of Stupid People citing extreme outliers as rationales for broad, sweeping restrictions on normal people.

Mexico proves how useless are restrictive laws in controlling a sick society.

First, they have to go back.
Next, we define what's real from what's not.
The rest will fix itself.

Anonymous Magna Carta November 06, 2017 8:03 AM  

Atheism is a religion of peace.

Anonymous Random #57 November 06, 2017 8:07 AM  

@27 Phat Repat:

While I doubt Rand Paul is a badass, I can't think of any regular chore that's worse for situational awareness than mowing your lawn. But we could do worse than outlawing Democratic and "United Against Fascism" neighbors.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 06, 2017 8:08 AM  

I've spent decades reading and listening to right wingers talk tough about violence and then it turns out to be Bernie Bros who turn out to be the bringers of violence and mayhem.

It seems a bit interesting how the Left induces this behavior from white males.

Blogger JACIII November 06, 2017 8:10 AM  

What were once mere political opponents are making themselves mortal enemies. Take their threat seriously. They aren't hiding it.
Carry. Always. Prepare yourself to protect your loved ones and engage with extreme prejudice.

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 8:16 AM  

@8 "The Dems are screaming for gun control again, yet it was an armed "gun nut" who stopped this. "

Cause you keep expecting rationality and reason from them?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd November 06, 2017 8:22 AM  

simplytimothy wrote:"The Dems are screaming for gun control again, yet it was an armed “gun nut” who stopped this.",

And neocons:


Dems and neocons? Isn't that like ``leeches and bloodsuckers?''

Blogger Koanic November 06, 2017 8:28 AM  

Atheism is the intersection of people arrogant enough to think they're better than God and stupid enough to think they can prove a negative.

Blogger Rick November 06, 2017 8:32 AM  

Don’t worry, libs!
We will ban heroes when they’re no longer needed!

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 8:36 AM  

@28 "(having Supreme Dark Lord periscope withdrawal symptoms)."

Common syndrome here. I find it helps (barely) to chant repeatedly to myself:

He's writing, he's editing, he's designing comics and an RPG, he's exercising the dogs (DOGs!), he's enjoying watching Malwyn punish the VFM (the man needs a break now-and-again, yes?). He's doing SDL ELoE things! He has NOT forsaken us! He has not forgotten us. We WANT what he is doing, so shut up and wait! This is our lesson. This is our burden!

(Then I drug myself into unconsciousness...) (Well, no, not really... but I'd consider it?)

/kidding

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 06, 2017 8:38 AM  

Off the top of my head I think this is another data point for Vox's socio/sexual categories with gamma rage boy.

So we have here a white male atheist and where does this secret king fit in the Left's hierarchy, way down at the bottom and that ain't no place for a secret king is it?

Blogger dc.sunsets November 06, 2017 8:40 AM  

Can someone explain today's obsession with "professional?"

It's as though only someone who was anointed by the state by wearing some costume (uniform) or another is deemed capable of wielding a firearm.

Truly, Hollywood has brainwashed citizen and legislator alike to believe the fictional BS excreted by screenwriters. It seems conditions will have to degrade a whole lot more before Reality washes away such pervasive, pathological propaganda.

Last I read, the cops got to the church six minutes after the shooting started. Six minutes.

I wonder if people come in two flavors: bovine and non-bovine.

Anonymous Anonymous November 06, 2017 8:41 AM  

Long time lurker unused to social media.I apologize for the anonymous
tag.Those two men brought great honor
to themselves and their community.They
displayed the traits that made America
great.They immediately understood what was happeningand took action.Ringing
911 was not the main priority.Nailing the bastard was and saving the innocent from further harm.Real men protect the weaker members of society
while these defective freaks can only feel like real men by their hateful acts.God bless the soldiers of Christ,America and her people as well as you stalwart gentlemen on this blog.Fight the good fight...Deus Vult!

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer November 06, 2017 8:48 AM  

Can someone point me to the source of the allegations of being an atheist and a Sunday School teacher? I've tried looking around and all I have seen are assertions that he taught a Sunday School, which they seem to want to get out there as a way to portray him as "one of them." Thanks in advance.

Blogger Desdichado November 06, 2017 8:49 AM  

I'd love to see some "weaponized autism" digging into the shooter. Reports of him being a dishonorably discharged Air Force guy, and antifa supporter who hoped to spark "the communist revolution" are surfacing.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer November 06, 2017 8:51 AM  

Never mind, I see the Daily Mail has an article that is lined to via Drudge.

Blogger DaDZ November 06, 2017 8:58 AM  

Nobody has any room to squwak about gun control since there are already laws in place (Lautenberg amendment) that should have prevented this Gamma fuck from buying his AR. I know Academy Sports and Outdoor did their mandatory federal criminal history check, so way to go there FBI

Anonymous Lord of the Fleas November 06, 2017 9:01 AM  

@36 While I doubt Rand Paul is a badass, I can't think of any regular chore that's worse for situational awareness than mowing your lawn.

True. But as an aside, just ponder one other minor thing - we have here a US Senator who actually mows his own lawn. One wonders just how rare that is...

Blogger RC November 06, 2017 9:04 AM  

@14 RE: video. The video shows shooter's Colorado voter registration as UAF but I tracked it down at Colorado Secretary of State's website and it currently states unaffiliated. Maybe they scrubbed it.

That doesn't change that he's an evil, murdering atheist but I don't like to burn credibility on provably incorrect info.

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 9:06 AM  

@38 "Carry. Always. Prepare yourself to protect your loved ones and engage with extreme prejudice."

Also, as Mas Ayoob (and a hundred others) calls it: prepare to win the SECOND fight -- the one in the courts -- if you're called on to draw. You MUST know what led you to engage in lethal self-defense. "I was in fear for my life" is NOT sufficient in a court.

(And, p.s. if you do not know such things as: saying 'it was an accident' means you will NOT be allowed to claim self-defense in court! Or trying a warning shot: a WARNING shot means you were NOT in "imminent jeopardy" -- so, did NOT have reasonable cause to draw and fire, so cannot claim self-defense! You must KNOW things such as these and any others and be able to articulate them in court!)

Lots of excellent education from Andrew Branca Esq. http://lawofselfdefense.com/ . His Law of Self-Defense book is brilliant His classes (local and now online; lawyers (and cops?) can get CE credits) are state-law specific, and include the state's jury instructions, which tell you not just what the law IS -- but HOW the judges are applying it in court in that state (which may NOT entirely accord with the laws!)! I took his Georgia class -- it was fantastic!

Branca's biggest 'thought provoker/ cue for action' for me was: you need to be able to explain in court WHY you drew and/or fired. So, knowing the signals of oncoming violence, being able to accurately -- and articulately! -- describe the behaviors you saw and the training you have had (record that too: keep a list of books and classes) that made you CORRECTLY determine you were in jeopardy of an attack.

Check out the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network (I belong; it's very much worth the money -- esp. compared to OTHER "gun owner insurance" outfits: https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/)!

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 9:07 AM  

I hadn't thought about "the second fight" -- till reading Branca and Rory Miller and Mas Ayoob and Mark ‘Animal’ MacYoung... Well, here's a part of my record what you've learned because you/your lawyer DO (well MAY, it depends on the judge – how’s THAT for impartial justice?!) get to educate for the jury (you usually get to teach them WHY your actions are in alignment with “the reasonable man or the reasonable women” (those are now two different things, as they should be, in the court!) On what you knew – what in your backgrounds makes you the specific kind of reasonable ‘person’ you were; so, you were correct in drawing.


Conflict Communication (ConCom): A New Paradigm in Conscious Communication Miller, Rory

Meditations on Violence: A Comparison of Martial Arts Training & Real World Violence A Comparison of Martial Arts Training and Real World Violence Rory Miller

Deadly Force: Understanding Your Right to Self Defense Massad Ayoob, Jeff Weiner, F+W Media

AFTERMATH: Lessons In-Self Defense: What To Expect When the Shooting Stops
Fleming, Jim (Jim Fleming is a lawyer and board member of ACLDN)

Facing Violence: Preparing for the Unexpected Miller, Rory, Eisler, Barry, Miller

The Big Bloody Book of Violence: The Smart Person's Guide for Surviving Dangerous Times: What Everyone Must Know About Self-Defense Lawrence A Kane, Kris Wilder, Loren W Christensen

A Professional's Guide to Ending Violence Quickly: How Bouncers, Bodyguards, and Other Security Professionals Handle Ugly Situations How Bouncers, Bodyguards and Other Security Professionals Handle Ugly Situations Marc "Animal" MacYoung

Effective Defense Gila Hayes, Massad Ayoob (Gila is married to Mas)

The Cornered Cat: A Woman's Guide to Concealed Carry Jackson, Kathy

Stayin' Alive: Armed and Female in an Unsafe World Quigley, Paxton

Blogger dienw November 06, 2017 9:07 AM  

The shooter was a dishonorably discharged marine and a recent convert to Islam.

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 9:09 AM  

@45 "I wonder if people come in two flavors: bovine and non-bovine."

Yes. My husband used to point out:

No (((cowboys))) without cattle!

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 9:11 AM  

@50 " US Senator who actually mows his own lawn. One wonders just how rare that is."

Probably: His yard-ape DACA illegal was deported.

Blogger Unknown November 06, 2017 9:16 AM  

Preaching Atheists are as annoying as any other cultist. Just somehow more vague about the deity they are selling.

I prefer having around non-preaching people, possibly stable and sound, that do not care at all about my afterlife beliefs and just valuing people for what they do, not what they say.

Anonymous Anonymous November 06, 2017 9:17 AM  

@2 - "Atheism is the refuge of the petty, small minded and disturbed."

I beg to differ.

Although I believe in no God, I have faith - pardon the word - that Christianity is the blueprint to build the greatest achievement of Man, that is western civilization. Therefore, this particular religion deserves utmost respect. It seems to contain the condensed wisdom and experience of men across the ages, and its results speak for themselves (especially when compared to the results of other religions).

This puts me in a bit of a weird spot, as I would actually prefer to believe, but never could. Well who knows, it might happens some day.

Since Christianity is western civilization, it is thus not a surprise that the atheists you refer to are the ones who seek to destroy both Christianity and civilization and replace them with decadence.

Here (France)... many of our Catholics are of the "refugees welcome" sort. Disgusting.

I don't remember which particular faith Vox is part of, but I might consider reading up on this, since every time he makes a moral judgement about something, my own moral compass approves.

Anyway. I bow to the two heroes who saved the day. Here, our Govt would put them in jail.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 06, 2017 9:20 AM  

DeeJay wrote:For that matter, why is the killer being reported as an 'unaffiliated' voter, when his registration from 2014 lists his party as 'UAF' (United Against Fascism)?



UAF = UnAFfiliated I would guess.

I know in Kentucky, no matter what you write in on your registration, unless it is Republican or Democrat you will be officially counted as "independent".

Blogger KBuff November 06, 2017 9:20 AM  

With respect to voter affiliation in the state of Colorado, UAF stands for 'unaffiliated.' The only other choices are DEM and REP.

Blogger Doom November 06, 2017 9:21 AM  

Avalanche,

I wish the guys who won the battle would be contacted by friendly criminal and 2nd Amendment lawyers, orgs. They need to shut it, especially with the fbi involved. The fbi, and in any given jurisdiction, in any state, there are gun, American, Christian haters at many levels. These guess need to shut it, if not to late.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy November 06, 2017 9:22 AM  

dienw wrote:The shooter was a dishonorably discharged marine and a recent convert to Islam.
The only source for that is a tweet which claims he took the Islamic name Sam Hyde:
“The shooter is dead. He has not been officially identified, but Mustachio Tweeted: ‘#texaschurchshooting shooter is 29-year-old US marine turned Muslim convert, Samir Al-Hajeed. His manifesto is making its rounds on the web,'” the Santa Monica Observer reported.

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 9:23 AM  

Somewhat OT; linked off this article:

"10 Black Teens Brutally Attack 4th White Woman In Single Week, What They Did To Her With 2×4’s Will Make You Sick
Obama’s sons at it again!"
https://freedomdaily.com/10-black-teens-attack-4th-white-woman-week-2x4s/


Colin Flaherty:
...
"YouTube sent me an email the other day saying it was putting me on notice for violating its Terms of Service, meaning I would not be allowed to post new videos for two weeks," Flaherty told WND. "The reason: I posted a private video from a parent of a child who filmed an episode of black mob violence against a white child. The local news blurred it. And I presented the original. YouTube did not like that."

He said in his version of the video that "anyone who blurred this story is guilty of child abuse because they are aiding and abetting this violence."

"Two days later, I awoke to find my account terminated.”
...
However, Flaherty said he was not creating offensive content but simply chronicling the objective reality of certain crimes by posting videos, firsthand reports and other evidence to show his subscribers what was really going on.
...
"My YouTube channel was getting 1 million views a month, generating about 5 to 10 million minutes of viewing. There were 25,000 to 50,000 comments a month, and 15,000 subscribers. And all of those numbers were growing 20 percent per month,” he said. ...

Anonymous Dan November 06, 2017 9:24 AM  

#13, the only "connection" to Antifa that I see in that video is that his voter registration is listed as UAF. The video maker says that is 'Unite Against Fascism' but it probably actually means Unaffiliated. (1) UAF is a British party and (2) the registration is from 2014, long before Trump when antifa wasn't much of a thing.

Maybe Antifa, but that isn't evidence of it.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams November 06, 2017 9:36 AM  

Most of the atheists I've known in real life have been whiny little victims. Nothing that happened in their lives was a result of their actions, it was always something, or someone else's fault.

They didn't have much of a moral center, either. Whatever will get them ahead (or they think will) is "right." They are also really into "fellow victim" rights, so they are always the first to scream transphobe when a woman wants to pee in peace, or "not all Muslims!"

Anonymous X November 06, 2017 9:57 AM  

Gammas gonna gamma:

"Texas shooter targeted the church where his second wife's family worshipped, before shooting himself in the head after fleeing"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5054531/Shooter-targeted-church-ex-s-laws-worshiped.html

Blogger Brad Matthews November 06, 2017 9:58 AM  

Those two guys are heroes. Impressive.

Anonymous Random #57 November 06, 2017 10:02 AM  

"Check out the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network (I belong; it's very much worth the money -- esp. compared to OTHER "gun owner insurance" outfits: https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/)!"

While the ACLDN doesn't look bad, I believe CCW Safe is considerably better, and ACLDN's only criticism of it is that you have to use the lawyer CCW Safe picks, more about that below. They don't mention that for $6/year less you get 10 times the bail bond coverage, their $25,000 simply isn't credible, and for $50/year more CCW Safe offers up to $1 milllion in bail bond coverage, which you might need in a locality that's not self-defense friendly or if the case gets politicized.

The ACLDN has a very credible list of self-defense experts, from Ayoob to Tueller of the drill fame, but CCW Safe has Don West, the attorney who successfully defended George Zimmerman. Don't know about the ACLDN, but CCW Safe has scored their first legal victory defending Stephen Maddox, spending $300,000, which is what you expect for a major felony case, see their blog: https://ccwsafe.com/blog which also details the non-lawyer and non-legal types of support they immediately provide.

Having to use the lawyer they select doesn't seem to be a big problem to me, because almost all people who might find themselves in such a situation aren't going to know a good criminal defense attorney. I've heard of one in my general area, but he's best known for failing to defend obviously guilty criminals.

That's really the big difference between the two, the ACLDN does not get directly involved in legal cases.

Anonymous Random #57 November 06, 2017 10:06 AM  

"I wish the guys who won the battle would be contacted by friendly criminal and 2nd Amendment lawyers, orgs. They need to shut it, especially with the fbi involved. The fbi, and in any given jurisdiction, in any state, there are gun, American, Christian haters at many levels."

The FBI is and always has been entirely political, and I don't see them persecuting the heroes in this, unless the FBI has lost all sense of self-preservation and wants to play a major direct role in starting our next civil war.

Anonymous Newton November 06, 2017 10:11 AM  

That's OK....everyone knows "Christians" are nothing more than frieghtened atheists in disguise. "God, God, God" they say. But they know the truth. What we know too is that the killer is another white christian with an unhealthy fetish for guns.

If you see a christian with big guns, turn around and walk the other way. They are more likely to kill.

Anonymous Kelly Carson November 06, 2017 10:13 AM  

"The Dems are screaming for gun control again, yet it was an armed "gun nut" who stopped this. "

What exactly was stopped? Guns kill. They don't prevent killing. You want to stop this ongoing massacre culture? Get rid of easy-to-obtain guns. Make it really really hard to get guns!

Anonymous fop November 06, 2017 10:14 AM  

To hell with atheists.

Anonymous Panzer Man November 06, 2017 10:18 AM  

And the shills arrive, having absorbed their morning latte.

"Give up your weapons and trust in the government which is bringing in hordes of foreigners who hate you in order to replace you!" they say.

Anonymous Faceless November 06, 2017 10:18 AM  

@69

You are despicable. You want to return to a time when the elderly, the female, the weak, and the disabled live at the whims of the strong and violent? An uncivilized world ruled by brute strength? Or do you just want everyone to be a slave of your failed god Democracy and its prophet the Armed State, where the power of the state is enforced at the barrel of a gun against the unarmed populace? Go talk to someone who lived through the Cultural Revolution.

Sam Colt made men equal.

Anonymous Newton November 06, 2017 10:18 AM  

"To hell with atheists."

Chuckle-worthy

Anonymous Kelly Carson November 06, 2017 10:19 AM  

"You are despicable. You want to return to a time when the elderly, the female, the weak, and the disabled live at the whims of the strong and violent? "

Instead of a time when a gun fetishist walks into a church and guns down 30 people.

Anonymous Sheiko37 November 06, 2017 10:20 AM  

Johnnie Langendorff looks like a solid dude. Last name makes me think Hill Country German. Solid folks.

Anonymous Grayman November 06, 2017 10:21 AM  

@45 DC

"I'm a profeesional"

https://youtu.be/izxkFm060yU

Blogger Duh-ave November 06, 2017 10:28 AM  

Crapulux @ 9:17am
You seem to be in the same camp as Jordan Peterson and that's fine. But 2 or a few exceptions cannot break the rule that atheists can't be trusted, they can be extremely dangerous and very unpleasant to be around. That said, you are no problem to me and my prayer is that your attention to the Word will lead you to a saving faith.

Blogger allyn71 November 06, 2017 10:30 AM  

Instead of a time when a gun fetishist walks into a church and guns down 30 people.

FOAD commie scum

Blogger Chris Mallory November 06, 2017 10:32 AM  

Kelly Carson wrote:Instead of a time when a gun fetishist walks into a church and guns down 30 people.

Would have been much better if he had chained the doors shut and poured a few gallons of gas on that wood building. Right?

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams November 06, 2017 10:33 AM  

And all these super-duper moral atheists show up and demonstrate my point.

We are over the target!

Anonymous Kelly Carson November 06, 2017 10:33 AM  

"FOAD commie scum"

That would be a likely outcome if I exposed myself to the White Christian Gun Fetishists.

Blogger SciVo November 06, 2017 10:35 AM  

DeeJay wrote:For that matter, why is the killer being reported as an 'unaffiliated' voter, when his registration from 2014 lists his party as 'UAF' (United Against Fascism)?

Historically speaking, a political identification as an anti-fascist is basically the same as saying "hi, I'm a commie revolutionary street thug!" Because you have to have a really retarded ideology to want to hide it behind being against something slightly worse.

Anonymous Kelly Carson November 06, 2017 10:35 AM  

"Would have been much better if he had chained the doors shut and poured a few gallons of gas on that wood building. Right?"

Probably would have had a couple deaths. So...Better? Yes.

Anonymous Panzer Man November 06, 2017 10:36 AM  

Odd how people never talk about the obvious solution: damnatio memoriae.

Instead of the press going into point and shriek mode over these despicable nuts, there should be a complete blackout about them. Their names and details and pictures should be confined entirely to
law enforcement. Deprive these worthless gammas of fame for their crimes and the supply of them will dry up.
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@ at the shills -- how many hundreds, if not thousands, of helpless older white people do you think your sweet and beloved little groids would set on fire, beat to death, stab, rape, torture, and kill every year if they didn't have the fear of a bullet moving the other way to keep them in check somewhat? They're already grotesquely predatory on weaker people. In the absence of firearms, the U.S. murder rate would skyrocket as the feral Negro got the go-ahead to prey on everything they could reach. It would be a South Africa level nightmare or worse before you knew it.

Not to mention that governments themselves, unchecked, are known to casually dispatch MILLIONS, if not tens of millions, of their own citizens. This at a time when raging, hate-filled leftists express their venomous hostility to white people and their opposition to our continued existence.

You just want us disarmed so you can cut our throats. Full stop. Don't dress it up in sanctimony, you NKVD fetishists -- you want your foot on our throats, and us helpless to stop it.

You want a purge of "racists." You're sweating and slavering for it. Antifa shows your rabid aggression and hatred. And "racist" is just a code-word for "white." So don't give me your concern trolling. You don't want armed yeomen, you want victims you can exterminate while patting yourselves on the back like Pol Pot.

You disarmament people are Pol Pots, or Pol Pot enablers. You express your vehement loathing for white people constantly and in every way you can, then you pretend you'd be all sweetness and light forever if you were handed the absolute power that our disarmament would give you.

I personally would rather be shot a thousand times by nutcases than turn on my countrymen to the extent of trying to disarm them when their country is full of invaders and the populace is full of bitter, hate-fueled communist enemies.

Blogger Doom November 06, 2017 10:37 AM  

Random #57,

Are you even awake? Having lost controlled agents as potus, heck yeah the alphabets/deep state are looking for a way back in. They think, if needed, they will win even a hot one.

Blogger SciVo November 06, 2017 10:37 AM  

Sorry, I mean, hide it behind being against something else. Communism is arguably worse. Whatever, all socialisms suck and have killed millions.

Blogger dvdivx November 06, 2017 10:37 AM  

Every one of these left-wing terrorists looks like a very low T male. I'd bet his testosterone levels is right up there with soyboy. That soft doughy fem look with a creepy half smile.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 06, 2017 10:38 AM  

Last I read, the cops got to the church six minutes after the shooting started. Six minutes.

That's the average response time for most emergency situations. It'll vary depending on geography of course.

But, that's using a bit of a loose definition of "response", meaning basically "arrived at the location." By that definition, the Vegas cops has a four minute response time.

Now, if your definition of "response" requires them to actually do something once they get there, your response times will vary depending on how much influence liberals have had with police leadership.

Blogger MJM November 06, 2017 10:44 AM  

The only way these snarky "atheist" comments work is if you BY DEFINITION exclude all bad acts by Christians, saying "they must not have been really saved". There are decent people, who obey the Golden Rule (just just a Jesus thing) and those who do not. That, and not your *professions*, is what matters.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 06, 2017 10:44 AM  

Doom wrote:Random #57,

Are you even awake? Having lost controlled agents as potus, heck yeah the alphabets/deep state are looking for a way back in. They think, if needed, they will win even a hot one.


The Derp State cannot even math. How many Breviks willing to go to jail would it take to completely eliminate the Establishment?

Anonymous Grayman November 06, 2017 10:46 AM  

I see the perp was wearing body armor. The newer defensive drills going around have you focusing fire on the groin and the neck/head area due to how common body armor is now.

If these 2 fine gentlemen can be considered anywhere near "random samples" of the no-left population then it bears ill for when the lefty marxiasts manage to kick things off into a hot conflict.

Anonymous BBGKB November 06, 2017 10:49 AM  

Well, we know Rand Paul ain't a badass; 5 broken ribs, daaaannnngggg... but he was blindsided. Dem neighbors must be outlawed.

Rand Paul needs to give less free surgeries to Haitians & hire a lawn service. How many doctors mow their own lawns?

Colin Flaherty:

It's amazing he had a youtube account up as long as he did, since many individual police stations have had their accounts terminated for posting videos of criminals they looked for.

Anonymous Random #57 November 06, 2017 10:49 AM  

@85. Doom:

"Random #57,

Are you even awake? Having lost controlled agents as potus, heck yeah the alphabets/deep state are looking for a way back in. They think, if needed, they will win even a hot one."

I don't think they're at all eager for one. And persecuting the heroes of this tragedy would hurt them for what they really care about, which is indeed getting a way back into power in D.C.

Blogger Robert Coble November 06, 2017 10:49 AM  

@57 - crapulux:

"I would actually prefer to believe, but never could. Well who knows, it might happens some day."

PART I:

If you are sincere in your professed "preference to believe," I suggest beginning with natural theology and reason, rather than from "revealed" Scripture. The first and foremost question must be the existence (or non-existence) of a Supreme Being. If you are convinced by logical reasoning that a Supreme Being must NECESSARILY exist, then atheism becomes untenable as a worldview. Scholastic Metaphysics is the field within which you can study the classical arguments which are based on logical reasoning, and not on some "holy book." The logical arguments for the existence of a Supreme Being have been articulated since Aristotle and especially St. Thomas Aquinas.

Dr. Antony Flew (NOT known to be a "faith head" for almost his entire life, but a dedicated philosopher who tried to always "follow the evidence wherever it leads") identifies the Aristotelian concept that he accepted to be true in There IS a God. That did NOT make him a Christian. (He explicitly rejected Christianity and all other religions, but did state that among the monotheistic religions, Christianity was the "one to beat.")

Link: There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind

Dr. Robert J. Spitzer, in New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy, gives reasons for inference to a Supreme Being from modern physics in the first 3 chapters, then a quite detailed metaphysical demonstration in chapters 4-6. His philosophical arguments are as tightly reasoned as any I have ever seen in modern literature.

Link: New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy

Dr. Edward Feser, a Thomist philosopher, has some good books explaining the Aristotelian basis of natural theology.

Link: Scholastic Metaphysics: A Contemporary Introduction

Link: Five Proofs of the Existence of God

Link: The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism

Blogger Chris Mallory November 06, 2017 10:50 AM  

Kelly Carson wrote:Probably would have had a couple deaths. So...Better? Yes.

Just a couple? Look up the Happy Land fire. It was an arson where the killer used $1 worth of gas (1959 money) and killed 87 people.

The Blue Bird Cafe fire in 1972 killed 37 people. Another case of arson.

Fires in public buildings kill lots and lots of people. If you do some research you will find numbers like 165 killed, 492 killed, 126 killed.

We are very very lucky that more psychos in the US don't commit arson as a way to kill people.

Blogger Robert Coble November 06, 2017 10:50 AM  

PART II:

And last, but by no means least, there is Vox Day's polemical refutation of the "irrationality" of the Four Horsemen (I was tempted to write the Four Horses Asses) of the New Atheists: Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens. Dennett is accorded at least some degree of respect; the others none.

Link: The Irrational Atheist: Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, And Hitchens

Lee Strobel has several books that are interesting from the viewpoint of justifying various "cases" (for Christ, for God, for faith, etc.) based on interviews with leading scholars in specific fields related to Christianity's claims. He is a former atheist, lawyer and journalist.

John C. Wright, a brilliant SF author (see his Castalia House books, for example) is a former atheist who has an excellent blog, with articles concerning his atheist "faith" period and his conversion to Christianity. He also was formerly a lawyer.

That should suffice to get you started on your quest. All I suggest is to keep an open mind, while remembering G.K.Chesterton's maxim:

“Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”

Best wishes for eventual success!

Blogger allyn71 November 06, 2017 10:51 AM  

That would be a likely outcome if I exposed myself to the White Christian Gun Fetishists.

Hope springs eternal.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 06, 2017 10:52 AM  

Panzer Man wrote:Odd how people never talk about the obvious solution: damnatio memoriae.

Instead of the press going into point and shriek mode over these despicable nuts, there should be a complete blackout about them. Their names and details and pictures should be confined entirely to

law enforcement. Deprive these worthless gammas of fame for their crimes and the supply of them will dry up.


No thanks. I don't trust the government enough to let them have sole control of any information. This plan reeks of Stalin airbrushing photographs.

Blogger allyn71 November 06, 2017 10:54 AM  

I see the perp was wearing body armor. The newer defensive drills going around have you focusing fire on the groin and the neck/head area due to how common body armor is now.

Head and Hips

Blogger Unknown November 06, 2017 10:54 AM  

And if my screed above is too wordy, here's a nice summation from Kipling's "The Gods of the Copybook Headings:"

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

Anonymous Panzer Man November 06, 2017 10:56 AM  

Chris Mallory wrote:Panzer Man wrote:Odd how people never talk about the obvious solution: damnatio memoriae.

Instead of the press going into point and shriek mode over these despicable nuts, there should be a complete blackout about them. Their names and details and pictures should be confined entirely to

law enforcement. Deprive these worthless gammas of fame for their crimes and the supply of them will dry up.


No thanks. I don't trust the government enough to let them have sole control of any information. This plan reeks of Stalin airbrushing photographs.


I suppose that's true, but there must be some way to deprive them of fame.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 06, 2017 10:56 AM  

Random #57 wrote:I don't think they're at all eager for one. And persecuting the heroes of this tragedy would hurt them for what they really care about, which is indeed getting a way back into power in D.C.

What they should be worrying about is getting a way back into the respect of the People. Because right now, they're considered a derpy enemy that commits sins in our name, both evil and incompetent.

Blogger Doom November 06, 2017 10:58 AM  

SciVo de Plorable,

Not many, if who would be targeted is not who they think. Just how many like Soros are there, and how many are willing to die after they see their security won't cut it? Elites fear their own blood and pain as much as unmedicated bro's.

Blogger Doom November 06, 2017 11:03 AM  

Random #57,

If they were purely logical and weren't influenced outsise their walls, to their destruction. *cough uranium one cough* you are probably right, but you really want to risk years in court, even if you got off on a maybe? They are seriously messed up, and hate little people today.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 06, 2017 11:08 AM  

Panzer Man wrote:

I suppose that's true, but there must be some way to deprive them of fame.


Maybe the press should run some pictures of the killers' dead bodies.

Anonymous JK November 06, 2017 11:10 AM  

"I would actually prefer to believe, but never could. Well who knows, it might happens some day."

Try this:

Pray for belief.

Ask God to give you the belief you wish to have.

Mark 11:24

Anonymous Jack Amok November 06, 2017 11:10 AM  

I see the perp was wearing body armor. The newer defensive drills going around have you focusing fire on the groin and the neck/head area due to how common body armor is now.

Mozambique, coming soon to a location near you.

Blogger Byron Evans November 06, 2017 11:15 AM  

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Blogger Chris Mallory November 06, 2017 11:18 AM  

Was he actually wearing body armor or was it just an "assault vest" with pockets for his magazines? The media often identifies the latter as body armor.

Blogger Nick S November 06, 2017 11:29 AM  

The only way these snarky "atheist" comments work is if you BY DEFINITION exclude all bad acts by Christians, saying "they must not have been really saved".

BREAKING: Militant atheists are unreasonable.

In other news, water is wet and Christians are sinners too.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 06, 2017 11:30 AM  

Chris Mallory wrote:Was he actually wearing body armor or was it just an "assault vest" with pockets for his magazines? The media often identifies the latter as body armor.

Right, a plate carrier by itself costs 50.00 but won't stop anything. You can buy a Condor pretty cheap that will fool many people.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 06, 2017 11:33 AM  

@108 Good point. But the first responder also shot at the killer with an AR-15, which at close range will easily penetrate soft body armor.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 06, 2017 11:35 AM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:@108 Good point. But the first responder also shot at the killer with an AR-15, which at close range will easily penetrate soft body armor.

SAPI and AR500/AR600 rifle plates will stop 5.56, 7.62x39, etc. Not sure about 7.62x51.

Blogger Zundfolge November 06, 2017 11:40 AM  

Well I hope you folk down San Antonio way make sure Mr. Willeford never pays for a drink again for the rest of his life.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 06, 2017 11:46 AM  

Zundfolge wrote:Well I hope you folk down San Antonio way make sure Mr. Willeford never pays for a drink again for the rest of his life.

If I ever run into him, he'll eat and drink for free.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 06, 2017 11:49 AM  

@112 Agreed - basically to stop a rifle round fired at somewhat close range it takes a plate of some kind, and all of the plates will fail after being hit repeatedly.

Blogger Duh-ave November 06, 2017 11:54 AM  

MJM at 10:44am
Too bad for you because Vox has already added them up. The superior count of atheist kills vs. Christian kills is undeniable. Looking at the American Bible Belt and all the South over the hundred years after the defeat of the Confederates, millions of Christians (with no little grudge) lynched a few thousand people. That was evil but compare those numbers with Pol Pot's numbers. Compare them to all the athiest murders throughout history. We just aren't as good at Evil as you guys, ever.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2017 11:59 AM  

@83 Kelly Carson
"Would have been much better if he had chained the doors shut and poured a few gallons of gas on that wood building. Right?"

Probably would have had a couple deaths. So...Better? Yes.
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*** BREAKING NEWS ****

Super moral commie athiest approves of locking people in churches and burning them down.

Just like xer Stalinist ancestors.

Anonymous Grayman November 06, 2017 12:00 PM  

@115 @112

The average steel plates also dont cover that much area, all considered (assuming front and back chest plates only). There is a big misconception that "body" armor is some magical full suit of body armor a la medieval knights.
Anyone would rather have it then be without, but like any other "tool" it has specific capabilities and use profiles. Its not some startrek defelctor field, which is what a surprising number of "average" people seem to have in mind when they think body armor.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd November 06, 2017 12:00 PM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:The Derp State cannot even math.

Derp State Barbie says ``Math is HARD.""

SciVo de Plorable wrote:How many Breviks willing to go to jail would it take to completely eliminate the Establishment?

Without worrying about how many enemy spawn Brevik accounted for, or how many make up the Establishment, I'd guess by around 100 American Breviks there wouldn't be any more Establishment types visible. Add in 100 Dorners who weren't affirmative action losers, and didn't publish their game plan before attempting to execute it, and we would have cops and secret service dudes exhibiting the severed heads of the Establishment types they had been guarding, to take the heat off themselves and their families.

We aren't there yet, and God willing, we won't go there.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella November 06, 2017 12:01 PM  

it sounds like you are trying to have a feeling about God, which is fine: lots of people do it that way. You might wish to practice being Christian in the same way you practice yoga? You do the poses and the actions, and assume transcendance will come along on its own good time.

That's what Jesus talks about: a little seed, a speck of yeast: you don't see it land, you don't see it act- mostly it looks troubling- a weed, an odd smell, a larger weed, some bubbling, possibly- then something moves--- a tree grows up, water goes onto the flour-- and then you have a nest for songbirds and a good bread dough, and dinner when you notice and say thanks.

really, if you consent to some of the logic- even a tiny little bit like "maybe God exists" "Maybe I can read the Gospels- just to argue back, or plead with God to bring about justice"-- I mean, God never said you have to be happy while searching, or praying-- God can work with literally anything you give him. He wants a tithe of everything- hate, fear, pain, grief, joy, hope, doubt, attention- any and all of it, belong to him-

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2017 12:03 PM  

@90 SciVo de Plorable
The Derp State cannot even math. How many Breviks willing to go to jail would it take to completely eliminate the Establishment?
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250

Blogger Feather Blade November 06, 2017 12:04 PM  

Kelly Carson wrote:That would be a likely outcome if I exposed myself to the White Christian Gun Fetishists.

Please, they don't want to see you expose yourself anymore than the guy you're stalking does.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 06, 2017 12:05 PM  

@118 Anyone would rather have it then be without, but like any other "tool" it has specific capabilities and use profiles.

I guess it depends on the situation. It's heavy, bulky, hot as hell, and it really limits your mobility. There's definitely a tradeoff involved in the choice of whether or not to wear it.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 06, 2017 12:07 PM  

Rand Paul can't hire a lawn service because most every lawn service hires illegals one way or another. The press would hunt it out and he'd get nailed.

In the olden days you could hire a neighbor's kid but whose kid wants to be on the news for that? Similar with paying a campaign aide or staff aide or staff kid. So he cut it himself and learned why not to.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2017 12:11 PM  

Ron Paul needs to modify that mower Road Warrior style.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 06, 2017 12:16 PM  

Motive becoming clearer, UK newspapers report shooter targeted the church his ex-wife's family attended.

Also he was apparently shooting from outside through the walls. Not targeting individuals. Different mindset.

One more time, as soon as someone shot back he ran.
Shoot back early, shoot back often.

Anonymous Grayman November 06, 2017 12:17 PM  

@123 noah

Fair point, In a hasty ambush perhaps not, in a defensive fixed position yes and a million scenarios in between.
In general if you can expect direct engagement you'd probably want some level of body armor. In a speed/maneuver based engagement soft armor is probably the better trade-off.
And my opinion on this is worth exactly what you paid for it. :)

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 06, 2017 12:24 PM  

HoosierHillbilly wrote:
So before he embraced a religion where you declare yourself god, he...didn't...massacre people. That Christianity thing should really be regulated.

It already is. Since the 1950s. The sad thing is that most Christians have no clue. Their eyes are wide shut.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 06, 2017 12:32 PM  

Man of the Atom wrote:
As usual, the Mainstream Media willingly (or witlessly) conflates "assault rifle" with "scary big black gun thingy", and does it's best to get at least a few flecks of tar on Christians.

No discussion of "reporter control" when this type of libel is tossed about and then proved a lie. Strange, that!


Why is the "mainstream media" (((fake news))) still able to pay its bills?? It's an error to refer to them as anything besides (((fake news))) actually since they lie continually and even make up stories out of thin air. (((Fake news))) is on the side of antifa, as are the badge-gang goondas, lawyers, prosecutors, judges and nealy everyone who holds public office - not to mention the Judeo-Christ and those who worship it.

Blogger artensoll November 06, 2017 12:34 PM  

12. simplytimothy: "They ran towards the fight.

This is what I expect if/when things go hot.

The American talent for spontaneous, self-organization will surprise those who have to go back."

In UK we have "Fcuk you, I'm Millwall!"

While effective, bullets would be preferable.

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 06, 2017 12:42 PM  

let's not hear any more about how atheists are so persecuted in America, or how amazingly moral they are, when they are shooting up schools and churches and universities.

You generalize from a handful based on ONE characteristic, when their other characteristics are far more signficant (hard-leftism) and the dearth of atheists in prisons conclusively proves that the general case is the exact opposite.

No wonder they are the most distrusted group in the country.

That's more because people like you are always demonizing them (in this case, literally).

Charlottesvillain wrote:Ask yourself: How many hardcore atheists have I met that were likable and of healthy mind?
How many hard-core atheists would you recognize if they just went about their business and didn't speak up... as most of them do?

@4  Pat Tillman took his atheism into battle, where he was killed by his own fellow troops.  Perhaps they killed him because of demonization of atheists, as we see in this post.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 06, 2017 12:42 PM  

Atheism is the intersection of people arrogant enough to think they're better than God and stupid enough to think they can prove a negative

OP FTW but this takes silver.

Blogger Gospace November 06, 2017 12:49 PM  

Avalanche November 06, 2017 9:23 AM
Somewhat OT; linked off this article:


Well, if we're going to veer of topic, in a similar vein from my local paper: http://www.fltimes.com/news/sheriff-ex-boyfriend-admits-killing-sodus-teen/article_06d6b899-d1ba-5a51-b1d7-400860a15a74.html

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 1:01 PM  

@60 "I wish the guys who won the battle would be contacted by friendly criminal and 2nd Amendment lawyers, orgs. "

Nope. There's a mistake you didn't know you were making (and most folks don't!) in phrasing it that way. (This is why everyone needs to look into joining Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network -- they CAN'T provide help to non-members (except advice); it's not in their charter.)

Someone using a gun in self defense is NOT a criminal and does NOT need a "friendly criminal defense attny" (a CDA). What's the purpose of a CDA? To twist and torque the law in whatever way possible to get a GUILTY guy off! And a 2-A lawyer is bound up / wound up in legal / state / fed matters -- nothing about a self-defense shooting has anything to do with the 2nd Amendment! NOT ONE THING!

You need a lawyer who has training and experience IN self-defense law (SDL)! Here's the thing: IF you are going to claim self defense in court -- you are essentially confessing: "yes, I KILLED that man. But I was right to do so and here's why." A CDA would never ever let his client say anything even approaching that -- AND almost always will never let his client take the stand!

You, as the NON-guilty client, JUST confessed to the crime. In essence, if not in law, the 'burden of proof' now shifts FROM the prosecutor TO the SDL and you'd damn well better have a lawyer whose main bread-and-butter is proving a shooting was justified! (Like not using a cosmetic surgeon for your brain surgery -- specialization is ALL!)

You need a lawyer completely based in identifying and helping you show that you did, in fact, meet all four (or five: depending on whether you're in a stand your ground state or not) REQUIRED FACTORS for a self-defense claim. If you fail to meet ANY ONE of those factors -- your claim of self-defense goes away instantly (i.e., cannot be mentioned in court! OOPS!) -- AND you just confessed to killing a guy!

The CDA doesn't specialise in that, he specialises in getting the guilty guy OFF by loophole, NOT by justification!

Andrew Branca makes his classes chant "The Five Principles of the Law of Self-Defense":
1. Innocence
2. Imminence
3. Proportionality
4. Avoidance
5. Reasonableness

http://blog.lawofselfdefense.com/2013/11/07/the-five-principles-of-the-law-of-self-defense-in-a-nutshell/


Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network also provide their members a list of local lawyers who've signed up / agreed to work with ACLDN members. So you can get to know your lawyer before you might ever need him! No retainer needed, but they agree to be your lawyer in the event. (Also a great newsletter for more education, and members get 6-7 DVDs of education when they join.)

Anonymous Henry Ford November 06, 2017 1:01 PM  

NOBODY likes the (((atheists))) ... literally their only purpose is to shut down Christmas and other popular traditions. Expel them all back to Israel.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 06, 2017 1:05 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Can someone explain today's obsession with "professional?"

This sounds like a job for Spergman!

It's a number of things working together.

1. Moral transference ("not my job to raise my kids")
2. Overspecialization ("ain't nobody got time for prepping")
3. Submission ("society is so big that nothing I do will matter")
4. Fear* ("if I fight I'll be in greater personal danger," see my blog post Herding behavior as the avoidance of Schelling points)
5. The Power of Positive Thinking ("nothing bad will happen because I'm a good person," see moralistic therapeutic deism)

*Fun R-selection story related by an old teacher: A man was holding his infant and walking with his wife down the sidewalk. Teacher's big dog sprints toward them, and even though the dog is harmless (just very playful with strangers) this would be quite alarming. The man THROWS the baby to his wife and sprints away, jumps a fence, and presumably returns that night for dinner and a good, hard pegging.

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 1:10 PM  

@66 " the ACLDN does not get directly involved in legal cases."

Not gonna argue specs with you; don't know enough about the other outfit anymore (researched them all before picking ACLDN). ACLDN DOES get involved directly in cases when necessary -- but sine you arrange with a lawyer you're comfortable with BEFORE need, I prefer that!

I ALSO prefer that the ACLDN will provide money for for an expert witness up front -- they do NOT wait till after you're found not guilty to pay you BACK, which most do. And of course, many others have a 'dog in the fight' - if you LOSE in court, they don't pay you a dime! Dunno about the one you recommend, but anyone looking to get 'insured' should read about them all!

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky November 06, 2017 1:14 PM  

The nihilistic rage of the Left along with the theocratic fascism of Islam are too much to bear. Look what these global forces have done to even small Texas towns. When I was growing up there, sure we had our share of crazies and misfits, but it never came to something like this. This nihilism and terrorism are foreign imports, unnatural to the WASP culture of Texas. And especially to the Germanic leaning one found around the New Braunfels type Hill Country towns where this monster stalked.

I do hope that churches take heed and do some homework on who they let lead Bible study. One casual perusal of this monster's social media instantly establishes that this cretin was an entryist out to sow harm. Clearly an infiltrator with an agenda to upset apple carts cause harm.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 06, 2017 1:22 PM  

If he did in fact slide a shot down the side between the dead perp's body armor plates, this calls for a classic statement:

"Nice shootin', Tex!"

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 06, 2017 1:23 PM  

Ingot,

That's exactly what he did.

Blogger Al November 06, 2017 1:23 PM  

"Without God, everything is permitted."

-Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

Blogger Al November 06, 2017 1:25 PM  

"The world has proclaimed freedom, especially of late, but what do we see in this freedom of theirs: only slavery and suicide! For the world says: 'You have needs, therefore satisfy them, for you have the same rights as the noblest and richest men. Do not be afraid to satisfy them, but even increase them' – this is the current teaching of the world. And in this they see freedom.

"But what comes of this right to increase one’s needs? For the rich, isolation and spiritual suicide; for the poor, envy and murder, for they have been given rights, but have not yet been shown any way of satisfying their needs. We are assured that the world is becoming more and more united, is being formed into brotherly communion, by the shortening of distances, by the transmitting of thoughts through the air. Alas do not believe in such a union of people.

"Taking freedom to mean the increase and prompt satisfaction of needs, they distort their own nature, for they generate many meaningless and foolish desires, habits, and the most absurd fancies in themselves. They live only for mutual envy, for pleasure-seeking and self-display. To have dinners, horses, carriages, rank and slaves to serve them is now considered such a necessity that for the sake of it, to satisfy it, they will sacrifice life, honor, the love of mankind, and will even kill themselves if they are unable to satisfy it.

"We see the same thing in those who are not rich, while the poor, so far, simply drown their unsatisfied needs and envy in drink. But soon they will get drunk on blood instead of wine, they are being led to that. I ask you: is such a man free?

"I knew one 'fighter for an idea' who told me himself that when he was deprived of tobacco in prison, he was so tormented by this deprivation that he almost went and betrayed his 'idea,' just so that they would give him some tobacco. And such a man says: 'I am going to fight for mankind.' Well, how far will such a man get, and what is he good for? Perhaps some quick action, but he will not endure for long.

"And no wonder that instead of freedom they have fallen into slavery, and instead of serving brotherly love and human unity, they have fallen, on the contrary, into disunity and isolation, as my mysterious visitor and teacher used to tell me in my youth. And therefore the idea of serving mankind, of the brotherhood and oneness of people, is fading more and more in the world, and indeed the idea now even meets with mockery, for how can one drop one’s habits, where will this slave go now that he is so accustomed to satisfying the innumerable needs he himself has invented? He is isolated, and what does he care about the whole? They have succeeded in amassing more and more things, but have less and less joy."

-Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov, Fr. Zossima speaking

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 06, 2017 1:31 PM  

Do you know why you don't find people identifying as atheist in prison? Several reasons first,y you get something to do with your time. Second you get special privileges, visits others do not, often special food, special events. You'll get to hear and see pretty girls singing or inspirational speaking and shows.

Blogger S. Misanthrope November 06, 2017 1:32 PM  

I cannot believe how badly the left stepped in it with this incident. Early reports of "No, good guys with guns do not stop mass shootings," followed by online atheist assholes sneering at the concept of prayer. And now we find out good guys with guns not only stopped the shooting but did so more effectively and impressively than police EVER have, and the shooter in all likelihood is one of these online atheist assholes, motivated by anti-Christian hatred.

I had a moment of concern when I first heard about the car chase and how the shooter was found dead, but assuming the story pans out, which I'm sure it will, this is an example of absolutely perfect execution. And by two men who weren't even trained professionals! The left and cucked "pro-gun" right loves to go on and on about proper training and how being a professional is required. Nope! Hobbyists are even better than professionals a lot of the time because they practice more and do it for love, not income.

American heroes, indeed!

Anonymous Dan November 06, 2017 1:36 PM  

Jeffrey Dahmer of mass murderer fame enlightens us:

Referring to his crimes in a 1994 interview with Stone Phillips on Dateline NBC, Dahmer had stated: "If a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway."[

Anonymous patrick kelly November 06, 2017 1:41 PM  

"If you see a christian with big guns, turn around and walk the other way. They are more likely to kill."

The armed Christians I hang out with must incompetent killers. Been around 1000s of them over my life time, evan while they are shooting them evil guns, and so far I haven't witnessed any of them managing to kill anyone.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 06, 2017 1:52 PM  

Duh-ave wrote:You seem to be in the same camp as Jordan Peterson and that's fine. But 2 or a few exceptions cannot break the rule that atheists can't be trusted, they can be extremely dangerous and very unpleasant to be around. That said, you are no problem to me and my prayer is that your attention to the Word will lead you to a saving faith

Religion doesn't matter much, good or bad. Christians killing Christians over Christianity (among other things) fought the 30 years war which was one of the bloodiest wars in history, killing up to half the men in Germany at the time

Modern Europe is mostly atheist or non religious and far to the Left of the US but its homicide rate is very low.

Why we have shootings

Well, 1st we do have a lot of guns which makes things easier, That said more laws are no solution, people will not obey gun laws and actual effective laws (a complete ban on possession on semi automatic center fire firearms and say manufacture 7.62x29 , 5.56 and .308 ammo 9mm, .40 and .45 among others ) would be unconstitutional and immediately provoke a civil war . It could kill hundreds of millions in order to save a few thousand lives, max

Truth is American society is sick. Treating Americans as rootless consumers and chattel instead of citizens, creating the crab pot mentality , taking away half our prosperity as percent GDP ruining the foundations of a healthy society (stable work, stable family, roots in a place) making it so its nearly impossible to receiver from a mistake and filling the place with foreigners makes people crazy.

You want a safer America? Send 30 million people back, regulate the economy , control the way data is used so that mistakes can be recovered from. reform divorce and family court to default male custody

80% of problems will basically vanish in a decade or so

More religion won't hurt but its putting band aid on an amputation because it seems cheaper and easier and also note the "replacements" most are Christians . This hasn't magically fixed anything

Blogger Chris Mallory November 06, 2017 1:58 PM  

"Modern Europe is mostly atheist or non religious and far to the Left of the US but its homicide rate is very low."

And if you remove blacks and "latinos" from the mix, the US murder rate is a whole lot closer to those of European nations.

Anonymous Grayman November 06, 2017 2:43 PM  

@147 AB

reform divorce and family court to default male custody

For even more LULZ require paternity test of both parents ( gotta be fair ;) ) before issuing a birth certificate or statement of paternity.
That would implode hypergamy simply by forcing it front and center. It also enforces a price to roiling the sexual dice.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 06, 2017 2:47 PM  

@148
And if you remove blacks and "latinos" from the mix, the US murder rate is a whole lot closer to those of European nations.

The infamous Seattle - Vancouver study was pushed by the New England Journal of Medicine by Kellerman. He claimed it "proved" Canadian gun control suppressed crime. But forgot that the minority population in Vancouver was Chinese, while the minority population in Seattle was American black. The difference wasn't gun laws. It was something else. Something we are not supposed to Notice.

Anonymous Grayman November 06, 2017 2:48 PM  

@148 CHris

about 6.5% of the US population is responsible for about 50% of the violent crime.... Black males. There would appear to be obvious ways to rapidly drop violent crime int he US.

Anonymous Watchu talkin bout Willis November 06, 2017 2:55 PM  

Sperg status confirmed

http://nypost.com/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooter-tried-to-bribe-underage-girls-to-date-him/

Blogger Brad Matthews November 06, 2017 3:01 PM  

Now you have the guest appearance for Alt Hero

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 06, 2017 3:28 PM  

@152
Never mind sperg, that confirms Gamma.
The whole incident is looking more and more Gamma rage. Including if he topped himself.

Blogger VD November 06, 2017 3:30 PM  

That's more because people like you are always demonizing them (in this case, literally).

No, it's because you respect no objective moral standards and therefore cannot even be prospectively trusted by anyone who does not have long personal experience of you.

Anonymous BBGKB November 06, 2017 3:31 PM  

OT: Tranny makeup artist leads thousands of occultists to put monthly hex on TRUMP


"The interest in the dark supernatural appears to be a reaction to what these millennials view as circumstances beyond their control.

As people like (((Bracciale and Goldberg))) can’t cope with accepting defeat"


Warning ugly tranny
https://pjmedia.com/faith/thousands-hipster-occultists-gather-every-month-put-hexes-trump/

Anonymous Grayman November 06, 2017 3:51 PM  

@156 BBGKB

Time for a good old fashioned witch burning.

Blogger Thucydides November 06, 2017 3:56 PM  

@69
I could be nasty and point out here in Canada the worst mass murders were committed by arson and through the use of dynamite, or the very recent example of a truck attack in NYC by an immigrant using a pickup truck.

People who are inclined to kill will use whatever is at hand, and a walk though an average house will reveal dozens of implements which can be used to kill one or more people.

OTOH, we have the example of Switzerland, where everyone has an automatic rifle in the house *by law*, yet has one of the lowest gun crime and overall criminal rates in Europe and the world. And I am talking about the Swiss having a real, military selective fire assault rifle in their house.

Back on topic, a very grateful thank you for the two heroes who banded to gather to stop the assault, and hopes and prayers that many more such will be around when needed.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams November 06, 2017 4:01 PM  

From @Aeoli
"The man THROWS the baby to his wife and sprints away, jumps a fence,"

Found the male feminist.

These two heroes in the OP are everything right with American. Long may they live!

Anonymous Anonymous November 06, 2017 4:02 PM  

@78 - Thanks. I agree.

@95 - Thanks, I've copypasted your entire post and links into my reading todolist. This should be very interesting.

IMHO, there are two kinds of atheism.

1 - "There is no God, so we are free to gaze at our navel and do whatever we want. Change everything! Who cares if we destroy everything, nihilism FTW!"

2 - "There is no God, so if we fuck up, no-one will save us, thus we have to be responsible, and take good care of the civilization that was passed on to us by our elders because it seems to work pretty well. We should not play with the knobs on the control panel unless we know what we're doing."

The way this translates into political views is quite obvious...

My views on guns: Cars kill X people/year yet we keep using them because they are useful. If you remove suicides and gangsters killing each others, which is them doing a service to society, guns kill much less than cars. A LOT less. Having enough guns per capita both culls criminals (good) saves victims (good) and acts as a deterrent for tyrannical governments (even more good).

Guns, like cars, are tools which offer a risk versus service tradeoff. I would argue that the tradeoff regarding guns is a huge net positive.




Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 06, 2017 4:11 PM  

@153
Sperg status confirmed

Gamma status totally confirmed. Looking more and more like Gamma rage, from the shooting at the building to the running away when shot at to topping himself in his wrecked vehicle.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 06, 2017 4:14 PM  

OTOH, we have the example of Switzerland, where everyone has an automatic rifle in the house *by law*, yet has one of the lowest gun crime and overall criminal rates in Europe and the world.

Switzerland is full of Swiss. There's the diff.

Anonymous Uncle Yusif (famous Atheist) November 06, 2017 4:21 PM  

Not to mention that governments themselves, unchecked, are known to casually dispatch MILLIONS, if not tens of millions, of their own citizens. This at a time when raging, hate-filled leftists express their venomous hostility to white people and their opposition to our continued existence.

Every single death is a tragedy. A million is merely a statistic.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 06, 2017 4:24 PM  

@160 In your example, outcome #1 is a logical result of atheism whereas outcome #2 is not. In the atheist worldview, the conclusion that "we have to be responsible" does not inevitably follow from the assumption that God will not save us. Nor does atheism provide any guidance as to what responsibility even is.

Vox has dealt with this issue extensively and refers to those who follow atheism of the second kind as cultural Christians, meaning that they although they are nonbelievers they continue to operate under the Christian moral system they know best and probably grew up with. If Christianity becomes less influential then the predominance of cultural Christianity will decline as well, making atheists of the second kind less common.

Blogger Azimus November 06, 2017 4:30 PM  

132. Mr. Rational November 06, 2017 12:42 PM
Pat Tillman took his atheism into battle, where he was killed by his own fellow troops. Perhaps they killed him because of demonization of atheists, as we see in this post.


46 Christians shot yesterday in a peaceful worship service by a militant atheist, and this guy is citing maybe this one atheist guy was feasibly killed for his beliefs almost a generation ago, possibly. Yes its a regular genocide.

It's amazing how egocentric a human being becomes when their connection to God is self-cut...

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 06, 2017 5:12 PM  

Media is falsely claiming that the shooter was federally eligible to purchase a firearm.

Whereas in truth, he had been convicted of a crime of domestic violence and been convicted of a crime punishable by a sentence of one year or more in jail, making him ineligible to own a gun under at least two categories of questions on the ATF 4473 form.

But he still passed a NICS background check at least twice.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 06, 2017 5:18 PM  

"More religion won't hurt but its putting band aid on an amputation because it seems cheaper and easier"

Your perspective is insufficient.

The World is an amputation.

Blogger Lovekraft November 06, 2017 5:24 PM  

Had to bite my tongue today at work when Boomer cuck co-worker of German descent, on this massacre, sighs and says the usual 'we're living in a crazy world' when, in fact, his past statements, not to mention appearance, are extremely similar to the various recent alt-left nutjobs.

Blogger Lovekraft November 06, 2017 5:29 PM  

Has anyone else mentioned that leftist gore-porn of a movie The Kingsman in which the heroes tear apart a church full of Southern Christians?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25683IE5v9g

Another thing I want to put forth:

Obama's era saw the insidious rise of the Cancellation of Racism against Whites via the Victim Narrative. Muddy in theory, but has seeped into mainstream, where whites are basically sitting ducks, and minorities and other 'victims' can never be held to account for their racism/discrimination.

Obama was just continuing the script, but I imagine this event was somehow a reflection of this leftist Satanic ideology.

Anonymous Bukulu November 06, 2017 6:06 PM  

Ages @ 11,

You mean well, but there's a subtle error in your middle paragraph big enough to drive an entire totalitarianism through. Yes, the natural powers of the people are entrusted to the police, but when you say they 'devolve' back to us when the police are not present, you commit a grave error. We give authority to the police to act on our behalf, but we don't give up any of our powers in so doing.




Avalanche @ 53,

"Gila is married to Mas"

Dang, Marty is going to be pretty upset when he learns this.


crapulux @ 57,

It doesn't sound like you are the type of militant athiest being referred to here.



Chris @ 96,

I appreciate folks referencing things like the Happy Land arson, as a point of comparison to today's terrible events.

But, oh dude... '1959' was the street number of the club, not the year. This crime actually happened in 1990; 'a dollar' in 1959 would have purchased an entire jerry-can full of gas.



Grayman @ 119,

This. Indeed.

If you're shot in an extremity, you might survive--especially if you've got a buddy who can apply a combat dressing, tourniquet, etc.

If the round pierces a lung or your gut, your chances go way down... if it gets your heart, say goodbye right away.

Blogger Gospace November 06, 2017 6:09 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 06, 2017 4:14 PM
Switzerland is full of Swiss. There's the diff.

Yeas, but- there really is no way to distinguish a Swiss citizen from anyone else in Europe. They're not a distinct ethnic group. From the CIA factbook 65% German, 18% French, 10% Italian, 1% Romansch, 6% other. With the first 4 also being official languages of Switzerland. Switzerland is an oddity among nations. With 4 official languages, and 4 distinct ethnic groups, Switzerland should not be as stable as it has been for as long as it has been. There's not a lot of mixing between the different ethnic groups. They each maintain their own customs and traditions.

Anonymous Bob November 06, 2017 6:47 PM  

I'm curious how long before some chain of possession is established and we see this is a fast and furious lower.

Anonymous Simplytimothy November 06, 2017 6:48 PM  

This puts me in a bit of a weird spot, as I would actually prefer to believe, but never could. Well who knows, it might happens some day.


When God makes Himself known to you it will be undeniable. He, loving us as individuals, tailors His approach to us so that we know and we know we know.

There is no lying or pretense in God or our Faith.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 06, 2017 6:49 PM  

Grayman wrote:@156 BBGKB

Time for a good old fashioned witch burning.


I like many of the Wiccans, Witches, Necromancers, Sorcerers and other Cunning folk I've met I've met over the years but in this case, well hey I've got matches

Now taking magic to work exactly like they think the thoughts, well wishes and prayers of his supporters not to mention the protection of two separate Gods would render their hexes, which weren't well thought out anyway futile.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs November 06, 2017 7:00 PM  

@36: I was encouraged by the fact that he mows his own lawn.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 06, 2017 7:07 PM  

Gospace wrote:Yeas, but- there really is no way to distinguish a Swiss citizen from anyone else in Europe. They're not a distinct ethnic group. From the CIA factbook 65% German, 18% French, 10% Italian, 1% Romansch, 6% other. With the first 4 also being official languages of Switzerland. Switzerland is an oddity among nations. With 4 official languages, and 4 distinct ethnic groups, Switzerland should not be as stable as it has been for as long as it has been. There's not a lot of mixing between the different ethnic groups. They each maintain their own customs and traditions.

So at most 6 maybe 10%% non White with few Muslims, Mestizos or Africans. That would lead to an orderly society

Azure Amaranthine wrote:More religion won't hurt but its putting band aid on an amputation because it seems cheaper and easier"

Your perspective is insufficient.

The World is an amputation


This is a Christian, Jewish (and Buddhist after a fashion) POV I do understand . I find it wanting and in fact to be simply inaccurate and very possibly dangerous

There is nothing wrong with the world and nothing wrong with humanity that one wouldn't expect from banding primates living outside their normal parameters . Humans do pretty well all things considered and the world can be a decent place, is decent more often than not

Its not always good of course and death sucks but on the whole, the worlds not broken and doesn't need repair

As Goethe famously said Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean

That's not going to happen to sometimes some guys are going to have to be dealt with but ah well.

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 06, 2017 8:00 PM  

Duh-ave wrote:Compare them to all the athiest murders throughout history.The Bolsheviks and Cheka weren't atheists.  They were almost all Jews.  As people have posted, the Babylonian Talmud is adequate explanation for what they did.

Koanic wrote:Atheism is the intersection of people arrogant enough to think they're better than GodHow can you believe you're better than something you believe doesn't exist?  You're normally better than that, Koanic.

and stupid enough to think they can prove a negative.You have the burden of proof reversed.  Ponder your burden of proof establishing that Allah doesn't exist.  It's up to the Muslim to prove he does.

VD wrote:No, it's because you respect no objective moral standards and therefore cannot even be prospectively trusted by anyone who does not have long personal experience of you.Ye fucking gods, Vox.  Do you know how some of the most successful theft/embezzlement scams are run in the USA?  They're done by people posing as righteous co-religionists.  And like all such scams, the best-known name is (((Bernie Madoff))).

@160  I'm definitely Type 2.  And it extends to recklessly eliminating species or changing the climate, as you might have noticed.

@164  It's the difference between people who look for truth, and those who look for self-aggrandizement.  I don't see that religion makes the second type any better; to the extent that it gives them moral cover, it can make them worse.

Azimus wrote:46 Christians shot yesterday in a peaceful worship service by a militant atheistWord I saw is that the church was where his ex-wife's family were.  It was personal, not religious.

this guy is citing maybe this one atheist guy was feasibly killed for his beliefs almost a generation agoYou can't tell a Christian from an ex-Christian atheist by looking at them.  That seems to be the only thing that stops some of the folks here from going on murder sprees.

Anonymous Haxo Angmaerk November 06, 2017 8:26 PM  

LVPD/SWAT did not perform in a "cowardly fashion".

they were under a stand-down order from the (((mayor))),

who takes her orders from the (((casino moguls))) who rule Las Vegas.

Blogger Koanic November 06, 2017 8:34 PM  

> How can you believe you're better than something you believe doesn't exist? You're normally better than that, Koanic.

Oh, I assure you, the low blow was intentional. It's a play on the scheisskopf form:

"I don't believe in God, but the God I don't believe in would never do that!"

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 8:42 PM  

@57 "Although I believe in no God, I have faith - pardon the word - that Christianity is the blueprint to build the greatest achievement of Man, that is western civilization. ... This puts me in a bit of a weird spot, as I would actually prefer to believe, but never could. "

"Hello fellow wistful non-believer."

If you haven't yet, go read Vox Day's The Irrational Atheist. I'd hoped it would be more persuasive than logical (silly, I know) -- but it was very valuable in clearing up a lot of random misperceptions.

And keep reading here; this blog has brought me miles along to accepting that I am cultural Christian -- even though the "real" Christians here give me some crap now-and-again when I'm trying to work through some hard (or uncomfortable) concept.

Since I learn either way, I'm not disturbed at the occasional pile-on when I'm trying to balance the differing "level's" of Christianity -- and Christians! -- extant. Some make me roll my eyes and recoil; others give me hope.

Blogger Al November 06, 2017 8:46 PM  

Mr. Rational,

You're an idiot, babe. It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

Now get back to sucking off Swinestein.

Anonymous Avalanche November 06, 2017 9:06 PM  

@160 "If you remove suicides and gangsters killing each others, which is them doing a service to society"

Just listening tonight to Jared Taylor with Paul Kiersey tonight (AMREN Radio: https://www.amren.com/category/podcasts/). Jared points out in some (big mostly black crime-ridden, I forget which) city they actually did an individual-by-individual identification (where possible) of who killed whom why. Over the year, it turned out that some 80% of black murders were NOT by "gang members"; just black guys killin' black guys!

Blogger SirHamster November 06, 2017 9:15 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:You can't tell a Christian from an ex-Christian atheist by looking at them.  That seems to be the only thing that stops some of the folks here from going on murder sprees.

"You Christians are murderous and the only thing keeping you from murdering are your silly beliefs that I have transcended and left behind! Me so good atheist."

A rational atheist would take more of a tack of, "I'm so glad you Christians are avoiding murder because of your beliefs. You keep on doing that."

Blogger Koanic November 06, 2017 11:13 PM  

Be nice to doubting Thomas - not everyone is born with an imagination.

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 06, 2017 11:45 PM  

Al wrote:You're an idiot, babe. It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.
Why are you trying to shame me with the lyrics of (((Robert Allen Zimmerman)))?

SirHamster wrote:"You Christians are murderous and the only thing keeping you from murdering are your silly beliefs that I have transcended and left behind! Me so good atheist."

A rational atheist would take more of a tack of, "I'm so glad you Christians are avoiding murder because of your beliefs. You keep on doing that."

Seeing the murderous impulses of people who'd turn the USA into a land where Christian apostates are as quickly eliminated as Islamic apostates are in Pakistan, I'm glad for nothing of the sort.  The only reason some of the posters here are not murdering people who've realized the faith they were raised in is wrong is because they can't distinguish their targets from others.  They are not avoiding murder in the least; give them knowledge, they'd act on it.  They want to kill me because of some guy named Devin Patrick Kelley, who I'd never heard of before this incident.

Never mind that Kelley grew an Islamic beard.  There's no such thing as an atheist beard.  Gotta get those atheists, they THREATEN OUR FAITH!  (With dialectic and well-deserved mockery.)

Blogger Koanic November 06, 2017 11:51 PM  

> They want to kill me

You are an idiot, Mr. Rational - a hilarious title for a whiny chimp!

Christians who actually understand Jehovah's laissez-faire international management policy do not want to kill the atheists; we just want to continuously exile your kind from our midst to your own atheist country, where you can kill each other, as you are so wont to do. Hahaha!

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 07, 2017 12:12 AM  

Mr. Rational wrote:You can't tell a Christian from an ex-Christian atheist by looking at them.  That seems to be the only thing that stops some of the folks here from going on murder sprees.

This really isn't the case but given all the comments about burning witches at the stake, driving put people who don't subscribe to their religion and crucification of criminals (while T.K is around anyway ) it would be easy to get that impression.

In any case you could give the human race 10cc strong agnosticism as a vaccine at birth and we'd just go on finding excuses to kill one another.

Its not pleasant to be on the wrong end of that sort of thing but its nothing special. everything eats everything.

In fact that kind of brings up my biggest objection to Christianity and the like, they seem to think human nature is bad. Its not. Its results don't always scale aren't always pleasant but people are generally predictable and in the end, a somewhat more interesting than average sort of terrestrial critter . If they are your people, the culture requires it or they are religious they are decent. Otherwise they are selfish.

Exactly what you would expect.

Still Christianity true or not is really good social software since it patches scaling issues and reduces amoral familism /clannishness as well.

On the more philosophical side, I get the religious notion that people are special but its not so, a lot of what we do is mirrored in the animal kingdom , ants build defenses and man them , beavers build dwellings, crows have a justice system and so one.

Whether any of them have abstract thought is unknown and certainly humans are more sophisticated but the gap isn't as great as some want to think. We are special only to ourselves,

Anonymous Charlie Baud November 07, 2017 12:54 AM  

AB.Prosper wrote:In fact that kind of brings up my biggest objection to Christianity and the like, they seem to think human nature is bad. Its not...AB.Prosper wrote:If they are your people, the culture requires it or they are religious they are decent. Otherwise they are selfish.

So human nature is basically good, but needs social controls or else everybody is selfish? I'll see if you can pinpoint the flaw in your thinking.

AB.Prosper wrote:On the more philosophical side, I get the religious notion that people are special but its not so, a lot of what we do is mirrored in the animal kingdom , ants build defenses and man them , beavers build dwellings, crows have a justice system and so one.

So you've noticed a few superficially similar things that people and animals do and concluded that man is not unique? Putting aside your dubious notion of a crow justic system, there are many things than make man unique.

https://evolutionnews.org/2015/11/the_fundamental_2/

I'm getting sick of half-literate atheists shooting their mouths off.

Anonymous Charlie Baud November 07, 2017 1:03 AM  

AB.Prosper wrote:Religion doesn't matter much, good or bad. Christians killing Christians over Christianity (among other things) fought the 30 years war which was one of the bloodiest wars in history, killing up to half the men in Germany at the time

The Thirty Years War was about German nobles and their Jewish financiers trying to steal land from the Catholic Church, not any religious differences.

AB.Prosper wrote:Modern Europe is mostly atheist or non religious and far to the Left of the US but its homicide rate is very low.

No, you just have a higher suicide rate, a faltering population, and a rampant refugee rape and murder problem.

AB.Prosper wrote:More religion won't hurt but its putting band aid on an amputation because it seems cheaper and easier and also note the "replacements" most are Christians . This hasn't magically fixed anything

Secularism provides an inadequate framework for any of the solutions you suggested, even if we deport all immigrants, America is culturally broken and secular solutions won't cut it. Secularism has already killed Europe. And most "Christian" immigrants are only marginally so, you fucking retard.

Anonymous Charlie Baud November 07, 2017 1:07 AM  

@182

Avalanche, you've never tried to work through anything. You're just another self-serving new age cunt who wants to tell Christians what they should believe. You listen to frauds like Jared "Jews are Hwhite" Taylor and think you can return to the glories of Christian America without the Christianity that birthed it.

Anonymous Charlie Baud November 07, 2017 1:11 AM  

@57

You're another fence-sitting atheist faggot who wants to live in a Christian society lite a parasite while not believing in the faith that built and maintained that society because that demands too much of you. Atheism has always been for parasites and cowards. You bought into Jewish subversion, but want to trick yourself into thinking you're one of the good ones.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 07, 2017 2:09 AM  

Charlie Baud wrote:So human nature is basically good, but needs social controls or else everybody is selfish? I'll see if you can pinpoint the flaw in your thinking.

Neither good nor evil are useful operative terms here. I'd argue that filter makes you stupid.

Generally though people in groups larger than a small tribe (150 or so) will have to have behavioral tools to allow more cooperation than they would ordinarily.

However you have to understand we take civilization as normal when its an aberration,

97% of human history was pre literate and spent in small tribes. Those tribes didn't need anywhere the same control structures as more complex societies did as far as anyone can tell.

As to the article you posted, meh,

Its not settled science, the evidence I've seen suggests limited abstract reasoning in many non human animals. Dolphins, Rabbits and others may even paint though we have no way to know what they get out of it.

I do agree that humans are much better at abstract reasoning than say dogs and use tools better than chimps or New Caledonian and Hawaiian crows although modern art is worse than rabbit art actually.

Also I'm not an atheist not that it is an insult like some here think.

As to Europe, its decently healthy. Life expectancies are around the same, higher for Whites, the Fertility rate in secular nations varies little though Sweden and Norway, both crowded and very very secular have decent fertility among native people, around that of the US actually.

Funny enough the more Christian states have no better or often worse fertility than secular ones, Poland bans nearly all abortions and just made Jesus its king. Its TFR is less than that of Germany. Its a "no more Poles" level of 1.3 or so Hungary is 85% Christian, as high or higher than the US. It has German level TFR 1.5 or so. Doomed.

Europe can get by with 2.05 or so do to lower infant morality but those are not healthy rates.

Ireland is still mostly Catholic. Its TFR is 1.94 , a bit higher the US. Its is as if religion doesn't count much for fertility in the West on large scale. Go figure

same in Korea too, its Buddhist and Christian and Animist depending on where you are . No real effect on the fertility rate and as I understand it Korean Christians are really fervent

As for immigrants, you ain't the Pope or head of Christendom or get to decide which theology is "accurate" or who is Christian outside who you choose to associate with non White Christians outnumber White religious people in many states anyway

Lots of Blacks are Christian too.

Load of of non Whites go to church and while they worship differently than Whites they are as religious as any one else, I don't see White people buying Novena candles or Three Kings Cake

Now there is some slipping into Santa Muerta syncrecism /heresy in my region of California , you can tell from the tats and the candles and what not but that is not the case everywhere or a full bore thing

Among White people Christianity is starting down the road other faiths have and it may end up like the Civic Religion of Rome in time. Long enough it may be as quaint as worshiping Jupiter is now. Or not. Its too early to tell.

In any case, a secular West will survive fine and be will be the West though not in the terms our host or some of the more devout will recognize

My guess is the US will be a patchwork of faiths like South Korea which will work well enough assuming the crazies don't decide to take advantage of instability for a religious purge,

Europe will stay secular though I think it will get a bit more Christian and Pagan . It will do fine so long as it removes kebab and seals the borders, otherwise its dead .

Blogger Koanic November 07, 2017 2:21 AM  

Say what you will about atheists, they do kill a lot of Jews.

And atheists.

Personally I don't believe in atheists, but if any did exist, I'm sure they wouldn't kill anybody.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot November 07, 2017 2:33 AM  

"... when they are shooting up schools and churches and universities ..."

Was this one actually an atheist?

Most of the atheists I know can't be arsed to wake up early enough on Sunday mornings to eat breakfast at a nearby restaurant, let alone anything requiring actual preparation, but they will wake up for Sunday roast.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones November 07, 2017 3:18 AM  

I saw this on Facebook just now. Source is a Messianic Christian who I've been in contact with for a number of years. He might be telling the truth:

"they are scrubbing any Muslim or Antifa connection. I am telling you I went to his FB page the minute they announced his name. he had over 250 pictures of him in Muslim garb with a beard. in 10 minutes there were only 2 pictures left a picture of him and a picture of an AR15."

Blogger Thucydides November 07, 2017 5:48 AM  

One thing which occurs to me is that we need to celebrate the two heroes, Stephen Willeford and Johnnie Langendorff as loudly and publicly as possible.

Firstly, their example will inspire others who may be in a situation someday to move and act rather than sit passively and wait for someone to do something. This is always preferable (and in more situations than an armed confrontation, taking charge at an accident scene or even when something gets screwed up at work does wonders).

The second reason, besides conditioning people to act, is to break the Progressive narrative of gun control. When millions of people are viscerally aware that armed citizens came to the aid of their fellows and helped prevent an even greater tragedy, then the constant screeching of the Progressives will be muted to an annoying buzz.

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