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Friday, December 08, 2017

Covering for the monsters

Inadvertently and out of good intentions, I have no doubt. But women like Claire Berlinski are covering for the monsters all the same:
We are a culture historically disposed to moral panics and sexual hysterias. Not long ago we firmly convinced ourselves that our children were being ritually raped by Satanists. In recent years, especially, we have become prone to replacing complex thought with shallow slogans. We live in times of extremism, and black-and-white thinking. We should have the self-awareness to suspect that the events of recent weeks may not be an aspect of our growing enlightenment, but rather our growing enamorment with extremism.

We should certainly realize by now that a moral panic mixed with an internet mob is a menace. When the mob descends on a target of prominence, it’s as good as a death sentence, socially and professionally. None of us lead lives so faultless that we cannot be targeted this way. “Show me the man, and I’ll show you the crime.”

Your computer can be hacked. Do you want to live in the kind of paranoid society where everyone wonders—Who’s next? To whom is it safe to speak freely? What would this joke sound like in a deposition? Do you think only the men who have done something truly foul are at risk? Don’t kid yourself. Once this starts, it doesn’t stop. The Perp Walk awaits us all.

Given the events of recent weeks, we can be certain of this: From now on, men with any instinct for self-preservation will cease to speak of anything personal, anything sexual, in our presence. They will make no bawdy jokes when we are listening. They will adopt in our presence great deference to our exquisite sensitivity and frailty. Many women seem positively joyful at this prospect. The Revolution has at last been achieved! But how could this be the world we want? Isn’t this the world we escaped?

Who could blame a man who does not enjoy the company of women under these circumstances, who would just rather not have women in the workplace at all? This is a world in which the Mike Pence rule—“Never be alone with a woman”—seems eminently sensible. Such a world is not good for women, however—as many women were quick to point out when we learned of the Mike Pence rule. Our success and advancement relies upon the personal and informal relationships we have with our colleagues and supervisors. But who, in this climate, could blame a venerable Oxford don for refusing to take the risk of teaching a young woman, one-on-one, with no witnesses? Mine was the first generation of women allowed the privilege of unchaperoned tutorials with Balliol’s dons. Will mine also be the last?
Yes, and it should be the last. The grand feminist experiment in sexual equality has failed, brutally. It failed faster than communism. It failed faster than civic nationalism. It failed faster than multiculturalism. Feminism is literally the dumbest, most destructive ideology that has ever been invented, which is no surprise because it was invented by the most neurotic women history has ever known.

And the more we learn about (((Hollywood))) and Washington and Berkeley and London, the more it is clear that not only were those "moral panics" and "sexual hysterias" justified, they were merely scratching the surface of a diseased evil that runs much deeper and wider under the surface of society than most normal Americans realized. Consider the following passage from The Last Closet, in which one member of science-fiction fandom describes the reaction of the Berkeley science-fiction community to the public behavior of Marion Zimmer Bradley's husband.
At first Berkeley was indifferent to Walter's sex life. This gradually began to change. There were two main causes for this. At a GGFS meeting at the S's, S walked into her son's bedroom—age 13—to find him in bed with Walter with Walter's arm around him. They were watching TV. (Walter is incredible.)  S wasn't about to take this. She didn't make a scene at the time, but from then on, someone else was anti-Walter. Thenceforth the S kids were under instructions to retire into their room and barricade the door with furniture whenever Walter was in the house. They did too. S wanted to ban Walter from the house entirely but Alva felt great reluctance to reject any fan.

Most people were rather amused by this incident, feeling that the kid could say "No" and even if he said "Yes" the experience probably wouldn't hurt him any. After all, Walter is so child-like himself that it would be just as if the kid were playing around with another kid. And quite apart from the sexual connotations some people were outraged that an adult could prefer the society of children to that of adults, as Walter does.

The second cause was Walter's sex play with 3-year old P. He had her trained up to the point where she would take off her clothes the minute she saw him. He would then "rub her down" and all that. I recall one occasion—a fairly large gathering at the Nelsons -- in which he also used a pencil, rubbing the eraser back and forth in the general area of the vagina, not quite masturbating her.
What I have learned from editing Moira Greyland's book is that where there is sulfuric smoke of this nature, there is not merely a fire, there is a raging inferno. What is really worse for women, sacrificing a few career opportunities for the evolutionary dead ends in the workplace or sacrificing women as young as three to the depraved appetites of sexual predators?

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146 Comments:

Anonymous NobodyExpects December 08, 2017 11:09 AM  

This book by Moira Greyland would be enough to justify the whole Castalia editorial enterprise.

Thanks for bringing it to market, VD.

Blogger Gloriam Deo December 08, 2017 11:10 AM  

Why do I have a sudden urge to find a pitchfork and a torch?

Anonymous Weak December 08, 2017 11:20 AM  

Unattractive men already knew to sanitize their conversations of anything personal or sexual, lest they be branded "creepy". She's worried that attractive alphas will stop flirting with plain Jane's like her. What little attention she got from alphas can't be cut off!

Blogger pyrrhus December 08, 2017 11:25 AM  

Feminism is the greatest triumph of the Frankfurt School, and of course was largely pushed by crazy (((women))).Every social ill in our society has its roots in feminism, starting with the welfare State itself...But the male (((communists))) did not realize that eventually it would come for them as well. They created an all devouring monster, which will only be destroyed by burning down the entire west.

Anonymous Steve December 08, 2017 11:26 AM  

Our success and advancement relies upon the personal and informal relationships we have with our colleagues and supervisors.

>be a 49 year old, unmarried woman with no children
>"success"

Anonymous Knarf December 08, 2017 11:27 AM  

> From now on

From *now* on?!?! Shiite, it's been like this for at least ten years!

Blogger pyrrhus December 08, 2017 11:30 AM  

"Thenceforth the S kids were under instructions to retire into their room and barricade the door with furniture whenever Walter was in the house. They did too. S wanted to ban Walter from the house entirely but Alva felt great reluctance to reject any fan."

Nothing could illustrate the insanity of the left more than this...A known sexual predator was not reported to Police, and was actually allowed into their house, where their children lived. Words fail me...

Anonymous BBGKB December 08, 2017 11:30 AM  

The Perp Walk awaits us ((((all))) Fixed

This is a world in which the Mike Pence rule—“Never be alone with a woman”—seems eminently sensible.

To be fair some of the accounts had Weinstein alone with 2 women.

kids were under instructions to retire into their room and barricade the door with furniture whenever Walter was in the house

Sounds like there is a market in Hollywood for a piece of hiding furniture with a hole small enough for kids to get in but not (((Walters))), perhaps a tree house with a weight limit ladder.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 08, 2017 11:31 AM  

Men's careers, marriages, lives can be destroyed in an instant without evidence, due process, or equal protection before the law.

Women hit hardest.


Sorry Vox, but I have to say this:

Fuck off, you old bat!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 08, 2017 11:33 AM  

Being a Delta midwit I've had the ignore all women in the workplace except for work related details and then find something else to do rule in place for decades.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 08, 2017 11:34 AM  

What is really worse for women, sacrificing a few career opportunities for the evolutionary dead ends in the workplace or sacrificing women as young as three to the depraved appetites of sexual predators?

Well, I'm a neurotic lesbian, so I prefer to create both evolutionary dead ends and sexual predators.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 08, 2017 11:34 AM  

It is damning that the first to publish this story is a new company not even ten years old. This story should have been brought by the big guys but they didn't have the guts.

Is there a term in economics for an opportunity lost due to ideology?

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 08, 2017 11:38 AM  

A known sexual predator...

He wasn't just a known sexual predator. He had written a 1000 page academic book justifying pedophilia and illustrating its best practices.

Blogger Archimedes2017 December 08, 2017 11:40 AM  

We are witnessing the sexual counter-revolution.

Anonymous Chad December 08, 2017 11:42 AM  

I can admire Berlinski for recognizing the reality of gray male-female interactions and that this is a warlock hunt, but Vox is right about the larger point.

She closes the article by writing "we are in charge." And that, I'm guessing, is why she and her sisters ultimately will fail.

Blogger Desdichado December 08, 2017 11:43 AM  

Every. Single. Time.

(((Claire Berlinski's))) (((tribalism))) trumps every other consideration.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 08, 2017 11:45 AM  

The guy who wrote that Breendoggle screed against Walter Breen was named Bill Donaho. It's a shocking read not only because of the catalogue of Breen's open depravity, but because of people's reaction to it -- including Donaho's. They all did wind up banning Breen in the end, but this was touch-and-go. That guy with the revolver on his mantle reserved for the day when Breen might show up emerges as the only one involved with any sort of clear moral compass. It's frankly amazing. This is the world in which Moira grew up. That is stupefying.

And, what's worse, Bill Donaho was made to pay a personal price for outing Breen by fandom. Many never forgave him for this, it would dog him.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 08, 2017 11:51 AM  

"a moral panic mixed with an internet mob is a menace"

To the sick and immoral.

"Do you want to live in the kind of paranoid society where everyone wonders—Who’s next?"

Already do. Time to at least do it the right way.

"Such a world is not good for women, however—as many women were quick to point out when we learned of the Mike Pence rule."

For predatory women.

"Our success and advancement relies upon the personal and informal relationships we have with our colleagues and supervisors."

Rather than your competence and performance? Mhhhm.

Blogger The Chortling December 08, 2017 11:53 AM  

a reviewer of Moira's tell-all web post tries to write it off because she (the reviewer) disagrees with Moira's politics and believes that Moira's conclusions about gay-dom are isolated to Greyland's parents not a general condition.

Another reviewer responds with the smackdown that not only is this pervasive in that "lifestyle" it's heavily centered in SFF

James May
May 11, 2016 @ 08:05:47
“According to their theory, children who were introduced to sex early would develop into their definition of ‘gay’ sexuality, which appears to be pansexuality. They felt this was the natural state of humanity, and that sexual orientation was due only to lack of proper education.”

You have just accurately encapsulated the French Queer Theory of Judith Butler which is the bedrock of the social justice craze in SFF and in Women’s and Gender Studies programs in colleges across America.

“Foz Meadows @fozmeadows Fuck the gender binary, is what I’m saying. Fuck it sideways with a chainsaw, and ESPECIALLY when it comes to children.”

That quote from the Hugo-nominated Meadows is not an outlier but a steady drumbeat in SFF and was nowhere better demonstrated than the awards-deluge for Ann Leckie’s Ancillary Justice, an otherwise mediocre novel but one which touched on the radical crusade of what is sometimes called “performative feminism.”

The crusade is against the “fiction” of heterosexuality. It’s practically an intellectual pogrom in the larger media as well. French Queer Theory’s mission to “destabilize” (Jagger Gill) the “compulsory heterosexuality” (Adrienne Rich) which is the “gender binary” (Butler) is a back to nature liberation movement founded by cherry-picking the writing of loonies like Michel Foucault, Wilhelm Reich and Jacques Derrida and presenting it to us as science.

Advocates of this cult see themselves as a Radio Free Europe dedicated to undoing the “structural inequality” of the cisheteropatriarchy. The tent-poles of this new science are “proof” like Bruce Jenner, as if Jenner is a caveman found in a glacier and unfrozen as the new third species the blundering 5,000 previous years of civilization never knew existed.

Who knew that the mere chanting of pronouns and the presentation of non-gendered Cargo Cult soltice toys could turn children into genderqueers and men into women? Certainly Greyland – a prisoner of this cult – never did. Both the Nebulas and Hugos have become nothing more than a conduit for this anti-science mumbo-jumbo. It’s no coincidence the radical lesbian site Lady Business popped right up onto the nominations once Black Gate withdrew.

https://lelaebuis.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/the-story-of-moira-greyland-by-moira-greyland/

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 08, 2017 11:53 AM  

It should be fairly obvious that one of the intended effects of the 'controlled burn' underway in Pedowood and related spheres is to shore up feminism. The majority of women in western countries still remain faithful to its core doctrines regardless of mountain-ranges of evidence proving its complete failure. Obviously, the only cure for all reign of the rape of donks is to put wymyn in charge of every studio and all (((fake news))). Sarah Silverman should take over Harv the Hutt's famous casting couch.

Anonymous Watchu talkin bout Willis December 08, 2017 11:53 AM  

Breen... what a sick piece of work. By all rights he should have been slowly flayed and burned alive. Nauseating.

Myself and a coworker of mine (we wrote for a coin hobby publication) went out of our way to NOT cite the POS in our stories.

Blogger Silly but True December 08, 2017 12:06 PM  

It's never been blue sci-if vs. pink sci-if.

It's been blue sci-fi against child rapists.

We know this has been the case since 1930s.

We know this has been the case before that; with Pangborn and Wilde influencing the Clarkes.

We know this has always been the case, going back to Lucian's True History.

Blogger tuberman December 08, 2017 12:16 PM  

"The slow burn," will turn out to be a build up of fake documents and fake audios of the God Emperor supposedly abusing wymen. Allred and company will return with 24/7 coverage DEMANDING, DEMANDING THEY WILL SCOLD, the resignation of PDJT. Sigh??! They have nothing else Left to save democracy and socialism for posterity.

GET POPCORN READY!

Blogger mjusiq December 08, 2017 12:20 PM  

"The grand feminist experiment in sexual equality has failed, brutally." But the feminists still goes strong in the former great and safe nation of Sweden. The government run national TV: SVT - has a a serie called Kobra - a Cultural series.

In Cobra you this Tuesday the Swedish people *along with hundred of thousands immigrants from muslim countries / arrived the last 5 years) could see how women take over the image of themselves, they call it "Girlgaze", the female look. Everything is obviously extremely politicized, the private is politically under SVT / SR (Swedish Radio) but even more important for SVT Culture.

How does this concept for women to take the power over the image of them self play out at Kobra? Pussy selfies!: https://toklandet.wordpress.com/2017/12/08/kultur-i-public-service-fitselfies/

Indeed: only the most neurotic women history has ever known - could think its a good idea to broadcast such degrading - for females - propaganda. They have obviously not given a thought to what impression this gives the muslim hordes in Sweden. (Rapes sky rocketing: numbers out early this week: MENA immigrants in Sweden - 86% of all group/attack rapes.)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 08, 2017 12:20 PM  

Breitbart is running as a lead a story about one of Moore's accusers admitting to at least making up part of her story.

Part of me says let the womyn burn down all of "Murka" 2.0.

Blogger Koanic December 08, 2017 12:20 PM  

> [Feminism] failed faster than civic nationalism.

Granted, but with less lasting damage. The Communists tried it and had to give it up in preference for democide instead. But they're still better off than the wreckage left by the civnats.

A bit of an r-cycle is something the races are designed to survive, but an invading genetic tide has only one name: conquest.

Anonymous Grayman December 08, 2017 12:34 PM  

At first Berkeley was indifferent to Walter's sex life. This gradually began to change. There were two main causes for this. At a GGFS meeting at the S's, S walked into her son's bedroom—age 13—to find him in bed with Walter with Walter's arm around him. They were watching TV. (Walter is incredible.) S wasn't about to take this. She didn't make a scene at the time, but from then on, someone else was anti-Walter. Thenceforth the S kids were under instructions to retire into their room and barricade the door with furniture whenever Walter was in the house. They did too. S wanted to ban Walter from the house entirely but Alva felt great reluctance to reject any fan.

Most people were rather amused by this incident, feeling that the kid could say "No" and even if he said "Yes" the experience probably wouldn't hurt him any. After all, Walter is so child-like himself that it would be just as if the kid were playing around with another kid. And quite apart from the sexual connotations some people were outraged that an adult could prefer the society of children to that of adults, as Walter does.

The second cause was Walter's sex play with 3-year old P. He had her trained up to the point where she would take off her clothes the minute she saw him. He would then "rub her down" and all that. I recall one occasion—a fairly large gathering at the Nelsons -- in which he also used a pencil, rubbing the eraser back and forth in the general area of the vagina, not quite masturbating her.


WTF!!!!!!! What normal father (or parent) would every tolerate such behavior.
Its clearly time for a substantial purge.

Blogger James December 08, 2017 12:35 PM  

"Not long ago we firmly convinced ourselves that our children were being ritually raped by Satanists."

What you mean "we", paleface? Do you mean society in the abstract?And what ritualistic rape do you refer to? Perhaps you only mean "we" as in "we irrational, over emotional, estrogen driven women"? Inquiring minds want to know.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 08, 2017 12:44 PM  

What is the crime committed when a woman physically or emotionally destroys her child in the service of the mother's quest for social status?

Is this not both a "common" crime and the most repugnant of all possible betrayals?

There is no ameliorating the suffering of a child that does not enable the pathology of the parent. That said, no sane society should tolerate for one moment the presence of an adult so depraved. The child cannot be un-destroyed, but the parent....?

Blogger Ron December 08, 2017 12:48 PM  

Cue the AI sex robots.

OpenID doktorjeep December 08, 2017 1:00 PM  

"He had her trained up to the point where she would take off her clothes the minute she saw him. He would then "rub her down" and all that. I recall one occasion—a fairly large gathering at the Nelsons -- in which he also used a pencil, rubbing the eraser back and forth in the general area of the vagina, not quite masturbating her."



WHAT
THE
FUCK?

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 08, 2017 1:06 PM  

tuberman wrote:
"The slow burn," will turn out to be a build up of fake documents and fake audios of the God Emperor supposedly abusing wymen. Allred and company will return with 24/7 coverage DEMANDING, DEMANDING THEY WILL SCOLD, the resignation of PDJT. Sigh??! They have nothing else Left to save democracy and socialism for posterity.

GET POPCORN READY!


As Nicholas Stix noted, there seem to be Lots of broken eggs, but no omlets. Note also that Cuck Ryan, The Kentucky Undertaker & Co. are planning to "reform" entitlements in the coming election year, just in perfect time to allow the D-jersey squad to trot out their old standby spiel to the legions of retired boomers: "the republicans are going to steal your social security and medicare and give it Wall Street highrollers - you'll have to eat dog food made in China".

Anonymous Knarf December 08, 2017 1:06 PM  

> What is the crime committed when a woman physically or emotionally destroys her child in the service of the mother's quest for social status?

A slightly more subtle form of Munchhausen's by Proxy? A good old-fashioned sacrifice to Moloch? Or is it simply a post-natal abortion?

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 08, 2017 1:17 PM  

Grayman:
WTF!!!!!!! What normal father (or parent) would every tolerate such behavior.
Its clearly time for a substantial purge.


Grayman: Walter Breen died in prison in 1993. All of the events described took place in the Berkeley of the 1970s and 1980s. The kiddy-diddlers have been in charge for a very long time. This interesting article over at Colin Liddell's place about William S. Burroughs gives a glimpse into things as far back as the 1950s. The cloud people have been pure evil for a very long time.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 08, 2017 1:19 PM  

Are we not past the point where we can even articulate the depravity and soul-murdering psychoses of many "modern" women?

If my mind is a harbinger of the future, Christianity is due a massive revival because I'm losing my ability to see all this in a secular frame; the depravity is utterly Biblical, as in demanding God's Wrath.

Blogger LP9 December 08, 2017 1:19 PM  

32 Hey Gen Kong, love your commentary, Trump simply made a slight neg on hypergamy but americans are too stupid to understand hypergamy, billy bush, big deal, nothing wrong.

33 Women today (some) are utterly narcissistic sick failed single mothers and failed wives (mob gangster office liabilities). Their only job was to be a great girlfriend to a great wife to a good mom, its not easy but not that complex; homemaking, feathering, etc.

Anonymous tublecane December 08, 2017 1:22 PM  

It's possible to be both dangerously hysterical and insufficiently motivated to fight evil at the same time. Because the Satanic Panic, or whatever they call it, wasn't going after the head of the beast. Plenty of innocent people were wrapped up in it. Hard not to go overboard, because juries lose their minds when kids testify (however unreliably) and the prosecution charges people with like one and a half million counts.

That doesn't have much to do with the current freak-out, which is probably mostly true. Franken, for instance, wouldn't need to lose his job if the story broke at a different time, and his side wasn't doubling down and the opposition wasn't finally waking up to the fact that they're really in a culture war. Certain other figures are having their reputations ruined over trivia.

But who cares? It's not like anyone's going to jail without a fair trial. And just wait until they start unearthing the real evil, if that's where it's headed.

Blogger Starboard December 08, 2017 1:25 PM  

"Who could blame a man who does not enjoy the company of women under these circumstances, who would just rather not have women in the workplace at all? This is a world in which the Mike Pence rule—“Never be alone with a woman”—seems eminently sensible."

Who could've thought that endless sexual harassment training and guilty until proven innocent would make good men wary of working with women?

"Yes, and it should be the last. The grand feminist experiment in sexual equality has failed, brutally. It failed faster than communism. It failed faster than civic nationalism. It failed faster than multiculturalism. Feminism is literally the dumbest, most destructive ideology that has ever been invented, which is no surprise because it was invented by the most neurotic women history has ever known."

Rats. When you're right, you're right, and you are almost always right.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 08, 2017 1:28 PM  

The cloud people have been pure evil for a very long time.

Yes, but it's simply not believable that the demand for kiddies to destroy can be met if limited to 3rd worlders and the odd Madeline McCann. Not to mention that the height of the rush is proportional to the value of the sacrifice, and blond/blue-eyed and cute would pin the needle.

Like any cult, the parents are first seduced. When this story finally does break (I still figure that no matter what comes out sooner, the full truth won't be known until the DJIA has already collapsed to ash), I don't think the pitchforks will be metaphorical.

Blogger Danby December 08, 2017 1:28 PM  

(((Claire Berlinski))) is objectively pro-rape.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass December 08, 2017 1:31 PM  

"Who could blame a man who does not enjoy the company of women under these circumstances, who would just rather not have women in the workplace at all? This is a world in which the Mike Pence rule—“Never be alone with a woman”—seems eminently sensible."

I currently work in a male only workspace and it is glorious! Also, Mike Pence was dead on right you bint.

Steve wrote:Our success and advancement relies upon the personal and informal relationships we have with our colleagues and supervisors.

>be a 49 year old, unmarried woman with no children

>"success"


@5 It's amazing how many women still aspire to that lie.

pyrrhus wrote:"Thenceforth the S kids were under instructions to retire into their room and barricade the door with furniture whenever Walter was in the house. They did too. S wanted to ban Walter from the house entirely but Alva felt great reluctance to reject any fan."

Nothing could illustrate the insanity of the left more than this...A known sexual predator was not reported to Police, and was actually allowed into their house, where their children lived. Words fail me...


@7 She might have thought he'd be different this time. *spits*

Resident Moron™ wrote:Men's careers, marriages, lives can be destroyed in an instant without evidence, due process, or equal protection before the law.

Women hit hardest.


Sorry Vox, but I have to say this:

Fuck off, you old bat!


@9 Seconded!

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Breitbart is running as a lead a story about one of Moore's accusers admitting to at least making up part of her story.

Part of me says let the womyn burn down all of "Murka" 2.0.


@25 Well given the press conference last week or two weeks ago that systematically obliterated three of his accusers claims by using this nifty new invention known as facts, color me shocked. /sarc

Burn it all to the ground. Hollywood delenda est!

Anonymous tublecane December 08, 2017 1:31 PM  

The Pence Rule is looking to have staying power on the national conscience, with good reason. The age of chaperones was infinitely more reasonable.

Ladies obviously are not up to the task of taking responsibility for themselves. If they have to sacrifice "success" for security, so be it. We should make that decision for them if they won't.

Blogger CM December 08, 2017 1:31 PM  

--Not long ago we firmly convinced ourselves that our children were being ritually raped by Satanists.--

This is the third time this week I have seen this and I keep thinking "you mean that Didn't happen?"

Are we being gaslighted? I read testimonials. I heard about some as a child.

Why are people so trusting on this? The damage it does is horrifying and leads to more victims. I don't want a witch hunt, but I wish we'd be a helluva lot more skeptical of the integrity of those in power.

Blogger LP9 December 08, 2017 1:32 PM  

I am sick reading this post...its just too much but reality is reality, life is life, its rough to read the truth.

It is a painful reality.

Anonymous GregMan December 08, 2017 1:42 PM  

My God. I'd say "Send them all back", but who would want them? Best to send them all to prison and let the General Population handle things, like what they did with Dahmer. There is no "curing" this kind of sickness.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 08, 2017 1:43 PM  

The capitol L-Libertarians in college would always wave the Darkover books under my nose whenever I talked about Rand or Heinlein and say, you gotta read this!

I gave City of Sorcery a shot. The proto-SJWs among my "friends" were clearly upset that there was no way to DESTROY me for all of the Lesbian Witches in SPAAAAACE jokes I made after that. Twitter would have gotten me a prison sentence.

Bottomline I knew there was something wrong with Bradley but I didn't have a clue just how sick she was.

Moira, if you are reading this you have my express and explicit permission to use any part of my post, What Is Wrong With These People," if you have any use for it.

Vox has my email.

Blogger LP9 December 08, 2017 1:47 PM  

No it is not gaslighting...it could be an 'divine unveiling' however the truthful victims wont be heard, the good lose, the bad win but I dont buy that...It appears to a pile of problems upon problems, consider if HRC won would this be outed? Nope, because feminist hate men because they identify with the sickos like what Huma and Hillary bedded which isn't reality but women dont live in reality (some), it appears that the impeachment try failed and that b/c of POTUS in office these cases are being outed in a urgent attempt to bring americans back to tv, ratings, movies, music, it appears that the low iq group are the only ones following the stupid pedowood, the stupid run the show in select critters from congress and senate.

Lok at Bruce, he doged a murder or a crime by becoming a woman and nothing more, breast implants are toxic and retarded but men obsessed with the feminine figure bow down bathed by hyper estrogenic women become 'women-like' are mental health cases.

I am not attacking anyone, I am just stating that something else is up - it might be war or another media mess; there are americans whom dont understand or relate to People magazine let alone local or national tv.

Anonymous BBGKB December 08, 2017 1:55 PM  

Yes, but it's simply not believable that the demand for kiddies to destroy can be met if limited to 3rd worlders and the odd Madeline McCann

Given my own experiences with jewish adult males, I had to wonder on the previous VD post that had a 12yo girl being turned down that perhaps she was too loose for them.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 08, 2017 2:04 PM  

Who were the adults in the room when this monster was molesting little girls? Where were her parents?

Blogger Jon Mollison December 08, 2017 2:08 PM  

For everyone who read the last quoted section of this post and felt physically ill and furious...remember that the SDL never leads with his best punch. The worst is yet to come.

If you really have to attend a sci-fi author convention these days, make sure it is a convention in an Open Carry state, and put your kids in that new shirt from CryptoFashion. Predators typically shy away from shows of strength.

Blogger Starboard December 08, 2017 2:08 PM  

49. The monsters could very well have been her parents.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 08, 2017 2:09 PM  

This "Walter" fellow sounds like Michael Jackson.

Blogger Days of the Broken Arrows December 08, 2017 2:14 PM  

Several people beat me to it, but I see ethnic and religious defensiveness here.

I didn't like this when I saw it in my own people, Italian-Americans, who would sometimes try to excuse the criminal behavior of mafia figures. I called it "ethnic narcissism." If your people have done something wrong, own up to it, don't dream up elaborate justifications for it.

Blogger Duh-ave December 08, 2017 2:14 PM  

My father firmly stressed the Pence rule to me as soon as I hit puberty in the early 60's. Mom was in on the conversation and assured me that he had followed that rule from the beginning of his career. It's not a new rule because the need for the rule is very old.

Blogger Starboard December 08, 2017 2:15 PM  

"He had her trained up to the point where she would take off her clothes the minute she saw him."

Sick. Millstones are too good for them.

Lord, guard and guide the people investigating these crimes and the people exposing this evil. Heal these children and bring them safely into your loving protection.

Blogger VD December 08, 2017 2:15 PM  

Who were the adults in the room when this monster was molesting little girls? Where were her parents?

They were the science-fiction fandom of the time, the literal founders of it. They were right there.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 08, 2017 2:24 PM  

VD wrote:Who were the adults in the room when this monster was molesting little girls? Where were her parents?

They were the science-fiction fandom of the time, the literal founders of it. They were right there.


That's the part that's the hardest to deal with now.

Blogger Starboard December 08, 2017 2:26 PM  

57. Good parents find it hard to believe how bad bad parents can be. Millstones are too good for them.

Anonymous GregMan December 08, 2017 2:29 PM  

"Who were the adults in the room when this monster was molesting little girls? Where were her parents?"

In Berkeley in the '60s. What did you expect?

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 08, 2017 2:32 PM  

we are ruled by sexual deviants and freaks. Its little wonder the gay and tranny movement has gained so much power..the ruling class is queer.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 08, 2017 2:34 PM  

@56 Those are foul monsters. I remember Bradley writing weird stuff about a, 'pagan convent'. I can't imagine what depravity was connected to that.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 08, 2017 2:41 PM  

VD wrote:They were the science-fiction fandom of the time, the literal founders of it.
They couldn't have founded it.  Nycon I was in 1939, when Walter Breen was 10 years old and MZB was 9.  "Its leading lights at the time and place", certainly.  @59 is apt.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 08, 2017 2:49 PM  

@62

Asimov, Heinlein and Clarke were there. They knew.

Clarke most especially knew.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 08, 2017 2:51 PM  

@62, you misread it Mr. Rational. "They" refers to the "adults" in the room, not the Breens.

Specifically, the adults in that particular room included:

The Nelsons - (Ray started in fandom in '46)

It was reported to the "adult" Jack Speer - Started in fandom in 1934.

"Many people were somewhat displeased by this -- most particularly her parents. No one thought he was actually psychologically damaging P--------- (she being so young) --- obviously ----- and ---- would have interfered if they thought he had been -- but the spectacle was not thought to be aesthetically pleasing."

The adults in the room were advancing the cause of pedophilia, and most certainly included folk from NyCon '39.

Anonymous Damn Crackers December 08, 2017 2:53 PM  

Wasn't all of Freudianism a result of refusing to believe that the town fathers of Vienna were molesting their daughters?

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 08, 2017 2:58 PM  

A statement from one of the "adults" in the room:

"But I do think Walter is dangerous to children. I'm not *entirely* sure of this, but I think so. I know from Walter's own statements that he has had sexual relations with children of both sexes of the age of puberty or older. I know from observation that he "cuddles" and has sex play with younger ones. But what I'm not so sure about is whether or not this sex actually hurts the kids.

Oh, of course I have an intense emotional reaction against this sex -- after all I'm a product of this culture, but also I'm not conventionally religious and I think that everyone should have a free sex life. But not with children. But does it hurt the chlidren?

Of course Walter doesn't rape children or physically damage them. But he's very good at seduction. He's an adult meeting children on their own level and thinking in their own terms. They find this irresistible. All children seem to flock to Walter like bees to honey -- even when he's given them no more cuddling or play than a normal affectionate adult would.

But I tend to think that normal, healthy, emotionally-secure children will not be damaged or much affected by Walter. The only trouble is: how many of this kind of children can be found in our society? And I'm reasonably certain that children lacking love and emotional security at home, even if they are partially neglected only and/or those who have disturbed attitudes towards sex -- almost inescapable in our society -- will be affected and most probably harmed. Also, while Walter can evidently be most tender and loving when it suits his purposes, he has had sex with young teen-age girls without using contraceptives -- again by his own statements -- and he had behaved quite brutally to some of his lovers after he has tired of them."

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 08, 2017 3:02 PM  

There were only three people in fandom who opposed Walter Breen openly and without reservation. Breen named them the "Three Big Bitches of Fandom" and they welcomed the epithet from a child molester. So, it wasn't like the truth wasn't known there. Fandom in general simply didn't care.

(The Big Three in this case were Sid Rogers, G. M. Carr, and Elinor Busby and their memories should be honored for opposing evil.)

Blogger LP9 December 08, 2017 3:14 PM  

it is not out of her alleged good intent, its sickening, its Christmas, its sickening to the point of taking after zofran or phenagren to cope.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 08, 2017 3:15 PM  

@64  Correction accepted.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster Fan December 08, 2017 3:21 PM  

"Not long ago we firmly convinced ourselves that our children were being ritually raped by Satanists."

Don't think this is a reality? Call up just about any one of Dr. William Schnoebelen's (One Accord Ministries)YouTube videos. After watching some of those, you'll wonder who is really behind the "Amber Alert" abductions...

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 08, 2017 3:24 PM  

Asimov I never cared about, I was disappointed by Clarke but Heinlein makes me furious. I grew up reading his juveniles. I knew he was a free love type from reading his later stuff I had no idea he'd put up with perverted crap like this.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 08, 2017 3:31 PM  

I am also struck by the amount of reflexive ghost-dancing going on about the police, prosecutors, et al. Some seem to believe that these government employees (with all that implies) are somehow better in Murika than in other places - like Rotherham, Isle of Cuck.

The brave bobbies there were not only actively involved in the cover up, as were officials all the way up the bureaucratic food-chain, but actually threatened to arrest the parents of the victims for "hate". At the end of the day, I recall 5 Pakis or so got a wrist-slap sentence of 5 years with full Halal meals in the correctional facilities of Her Majesty's Mystery-meat Monarchy for pimping out white girls as young as seven. No police or other government employees even lost their jobs over being accessories after the fact. I would not be surprised in the least if they all received promotions and pay raises for their largely successful coverup of crimes.

Epstein - of Pleasure Island fame - just beat the rap again thanks to a cooperative blackrobe of the (((tribe))). Guess what, most of the badge-gang will obey whatever orders are issued from their cloud-nomenklatura bosses, for 30 pieces of plastic pension tokens.

Blogger Jack Burroughs December 08, 2017 3:52 PM  

VD: "The grand feminist experiment in sexual equality has failed, brutally. It failed faster than communism. It failed faster than civic nationalism. It failed faster than multiculturalism. Feminism is literally the dumbest, most destructive ideology that has ever been invented, which is no surprise because it was invented by the most neurotic women history has ever known."

Whatever may be the truth of these claims, it is at least as dumb, delusional, and destructive to believe that the women of the West are going to undergo a sexual counter-revolution in the direction of tradcon monogamy, modesty, motherhood, and housewifery.

Short of a return to a violent state of nature, in which women are so threatened by the ever present prospect of imminent rape and death that they are forced to rely upon the daily physical protection of men, it will never happen.

In fact, the surest way to create a generation of women who are deranged with reckless lust is raise them as sexually repressed and over-monitored tradcons. The porn world is full of girls who were raised this way. Preacher's daughter syndrome is a stereotype because it's true.

The current convulsion on the Alt Right against supposed "tradthots" is naive, immature, self-defeating--and, in its own way, unmistakably degenerate.

Any attempt to bring about a tradcon counter-revolution in female sexual behavior is doomed to fail faster and more completely than feminism itself.



Anonymous Gen. Kong December 08, 2017 4:11 PM  

Just when you think the brazen lies can't get any more brazen, they proclaim that

(((Bryan Singer))) is the Epitome of Pedowood's White-Male Priviege Problem.

...and in other shocking news, did you know that fly-coated piece of shit that smells so putrid that you gag is actually GOLD?? The really sad thing is that there are still legions of fools out there who fall for it - over and over and over again. Those damned Copybook-Heading Dieties are really nasty.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 08, 2017 4:17 PM  

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/08/569394885/pentagon-announces-first-ever-audit-of-the-department-of-defense

Blogger Silly but True December 08, 2017 4:22 PM  

@7634: "This "Walter" fellow sounds like Michael Jackson."

I think Corey Feldman has the most credibility of all; especially now since they found his tape. Feldman stated outright that Jackson wasn't a sex abuser, but that's all that the police were interested in hearing, and why they buried his tape for the past quarter century.

We now know the reason why kids wanted to go to Neverland and hang with Jackson was because it was literally the only place in Hollywood not buttraping young boys.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants December 08, 2017 4:34 PM  

"The porn world is full of girls who were raised this way. Preacher's daughter syndrome is a stereotype because it's true."

Well Jack, I don't know what generation of young women you're referring to, because that stereotype of the repressed Preacher's daughter was hacky when I was still young enough to make porn, 30 yrs ago. The vast majority of girls haven't regularly had fathers in the home, much less repressive or men of faith, in so many decades, they wouldn't recognize it if they saw it. I'd wager a solid 25% either don't know their fathers, wouldn't recognize them if they ran into them on a sidewalk, or see them less than 5xs a year. A stern, authoritarian father/husband in the household expecting his wife to be at home where she belongs, would be a dramatic start to repairing the lives of both America's women AND children. These stupid feminists should be grateful they have an excuse to bow out of this idiotic mess they've made of their lives & pray someone still wants to marry their old carcasses.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 08, 2017 4:39 PM  

@Silly but True: I had wondered during the MJ trial if he wasn't just a supremely immature man, who was easily manipulated into situations that he could get shaken down for.

Perhaps Neverland was a safe port in the storm.

Blogger The Observer December 08, 2017 4:47 PM  

Whatever may be the truth of these claims, it is at least as dumb, delusional, and destructive to believe that the women of the West are going to undergo a sexual counter-revolution in the direction of tradcon monogamy, modesty, motherhood, and housewifery.

"It can't happen! It can never happen! History is one straight march from the pits of the ugly raciss, sexiss past to the sexy secular progressive scientopia!"

Just watch. You don't even need very much more than the failure of antibiotics against STDs - something which is well under way, thanks in part to the wonderful help of faggots - to see a massive reversal.

Blogger tuberman December 08, 2017 4:50 PM  

I once listened to a long rant of a lead and arrogant feminist. What struck me most was the sick self-hatred and contempt, which allowed her to have even more contempt for those she was allowed to bully. Of course, she knew the government and law would back her, so she used that to do her bullying.

Blogger LP9 December 08, 2017 4:50 PM  

39 What the evil do is not go after mom and dad but attempt to give (attack)their kids w/ drugs at school or some " alleged Friend " for a nice outing, then later frame the minors for drug use or a controlled buy, get CPA involved and wreck the family, if you are pretty or have anything the system wants you dead. See, they failed to abort some and these are their means, their vampiric paycheck. They are after your blood line but seek to hurt you the way they wrecked me; wreck my parents first which wrecks the adult POA daughter, you must, you must take your entire family out of the system any way you can while trying exist in America, POTUS doesn't care if you punched in the face for voting POTUS patriarchy good man Trump, we are always on our own left to our best choices, the gov't is a total joke, a farce targeted to get white people, I know b/c I am currently under an investigation over the ACA, branding and targeting our beloved people at them via the ADL hit list a lie list, the hell with them, sink the money into a gym membership a move on.

These human courts are jokes, win beyond via the power of the pen and the letter of the law, its expensive but it proves righteous.

Forgive me, I wish I have better more positive news...

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 08, 2017 4:51 PM  

Two words:

Black Dahlia.

And if you know anything about that event, and where / when it took place, you know the "security / intelligence services" are in this cesspit up to their eyeballs.

Blogger LP9 December 08, 2017 4:53 PM  

I will never forgive Gab or the ADL for targeting good people that I know are GOOD people, see they failed to abort us, they failed to drug us they failed to wreck, I dont know whom "they" are - just sayin.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 08, 2017 4:54 PM  

@78

Corey (the surviving one) was being interviewed in connection with the investigation of MJ when he named names, on the mysteriously lost and then found again tape.

He's said publicly the Police were not interested in anyone or anything else except evidence against MJ.

Blogger tuberman December 08, 2017 4:54 PM  

Women are part of the herd, and once a swing back happens with a big enough group, most of the rest will follow quickly in line. The others will not reproduce, and will be prevented from mentoring.

Blogger Thucydides December 08, 2017 5:12 PM  

And it looks like Bryan Singer is finally going to court over a pedophile incident: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/282836.

Hopefully this is the crack in the dam which finally breaks this all in the open. Given the close connections between the media, entertainment industry and the Democrat party, this could consume them all in cleansing fire, rendering their "resist" antics futile and irrelevant.

We live in an age of wonders.

Blogger Lovekraft December 08, 2017 5:21 PM  

Today in my unionized workplace I overheard several women joke about orgasms. I shrugged it off and filed it away for future reference.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 08, 2017 5:26 PM  

@71 Brick Hardslab
Asimov I never cared about, I was disappointed by Clarke but Heinlein makes me furious. I grew up reading his juveniles. I knew he was a free love type from reading his later stuff I had no idea he'd put up with perverted crap like this.

The polyamory shows up in "Stranger" and "Moon is a harsh mistress", both in the 50's. His first novel in the 1930's featured a man with two "wives", so his interest in poly was there from the start. Did you ever read "Farnham's Freehold"? That's from the 1960's, incest is a minor part of the plot.

Heinlein never had any children. That's a factor, too.

Sorry to say this, but it isn't at all impossible he was in that room when that stuff was happening. In fact it's likely.

Blogger Mocheirge December 08, 2017 5:40 PM  

I have an uncle who once asked an acquaintance of Heinlein, "How did he get to be such a dirty old man?"

He responded, "Well, he was a dirty man who got old."

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 08, 2017 5:43 PM  

@tuberman

The hand that rocks the cradle, etc ...

Look at Islam: women teach it in the home. Women enforce it viciously, even as it preys on them.

The idea that western women cannot ever go back to being sensible adults is a stupid denial of all the evidence.

All it takes is for western men to become sensible adults and all else follows.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella December 08, 2017 5:57 PM  

What revolution did we get signed up for? Why does she think everyone will celebrate her precious revolution? What if Christian women want an advanced society, not a revolutionary one?

What if the revolution's children got a big, hairy eyeball view of what the revolution does to women and children, and decided it was a harmful degradation of society, and tried to backpedal it, despite bearing injuries from said revolution?

I mean, my very Boomer dad gave me a poster of Rosie the Riveter, right after I'd had two children in two years. He thought he was saying "You can put your children in daycare and go climb a corporate ladder!"

I'd read the social history books on Rosie the Riveter in the women's study departments. The children put into care during World War 2 almost uniformly hated it. It was heartbreaking. A mother would remember 24 hour care, and caretakers remembering to dose children with cod liver oil. The child would remember days of strangers, both adult and child, and being sick to his stomach from the cod liver oil doses. The mother would remember going out with her dear friends. The child would remember frightening drunks taking her mother away from their only precious weekend time together.

The women went home to care for their families with joy and relief. The two people who didn't: One was a black woman who encouraged her daughter to be a single mother, and a radical activist who ended up a lifetime waitress at a diner.

The feminist activists books interviewing the children were full of stories of being abused and molested by strangers,so many passing through that they couldn't name them all. The only time the children were happy was if the father divorced and then remarried a traditional wife and mother who welcomed the child: even then, the child was second-class to the new family's children: they were better loved, better mannered, better socialized, better educated, more sheltered. And, well, related to both parents in the house, not a reminder of a wilder, ill-judged past.

An advanced society and economy has specialized jobs: housewife and mother is a specialized job. Most economies aren't advanced or wealthy enough to have a full-time housewife doing all that she does to a high level of skill.

Blogger Lovekraft December 08, 2017 6:18 PM  

@90: Oh yes, I anticipate a major exposure of the role Muslim mothers have in bringing up these future jihadis. Of courser, there's the polygamy problem where there's not enough valid wives for the surplus men and so Islam, rather than addressing this peacefully, redirects their rage outwards towards the 'infidel.'

How feminism maneuvers vis a vis Islam's family structure is going to be very interesting.

@73: Burroughs: you do raise some interesting points but I think you are generalizing and simplifying the alt-right's position. I will simply remind you that we have been chugging along quite well with nary a scandal or black mark on our movement. We keep each other in check, we recognize the loose cannons and shut them down, and we support those who make good argument and fight against the 'machine.'

But you are correct in that finding a way forward is extremely difficult because of the number of actors involved and the unpredictability of social movements.

Anonymous Pitcrew December 08, 2017 6:21 PM  

@80
reminded me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEwx6LwqfZs

Blogger Starboard December 08, 2017 6:23 PM  

73. JB: The traditional counterrevolution is already on.

Many of us raised in the 60-80's reject the "you can have it all" mentality. Ask any mom run ragged by a full time job with kids at home. Is having a career, a husband, and children fulfilling, or does it lead to burn-out? Most go part-time if they work at all after kids. The funny thing is that even the mild mannered thinking woman's blogs reflect this. I used to read one that went on about quality of life over material wealth. Their particular answer was to have both work approximately part time, her from home. In almost every other aspect she was left or churchian. Even she could see that raising her own kids was important.

91. AU: I agree and keep up the good work. Though I think our economy supported more housewives when we were still on the gold standard, before inflation and wage stagnation(brought on in part by women entering the workforce) made it harder to let mom stay home.

90. RM: All it takes is for western men to become sensible adults and all else follows.

Yep. The husband is the spiritual head of the household. If he is walking in the right direction, she will too. I used to chafe at the idea of my husband being the head of the household until I realized that I could not do it all by myself. What a relief to realize I was not in charge.

Sensible adults? We can't have sensible adults!

Blogger John rockwell December 08, 2017 6:24 PM  

"Women as young as 3"

I think you meant to say girls as young as 3.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum December 08, 2017 6:26 PM  

The book is mindblowing. If you can get through it, you will not consider debating the existence of evil.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 08, 2017 6:40 PM  

I read Heinlein stuff in my age interest order.

He probably was ok with crap like that. I never thought he was serious in the more out there things. If I read his stuff now I don't think I could finish some of his stories.

It must be tough to write or edit this.

Blogger John rockwell December 08, 2017 6:40 PM  

@Gregman
There is one way. Preach the gospel to them in prison and send them to God through death. For people die once then face judgment.

Anonymous SoCal December 08, 2017 6:43 PM  

Some commenters asked about cases when such moral panic and hysteria were unjustified and led to false persecutions. Here are two:
https://infogalactic.com/info/McMartin_preschool_trial
https://infogalactic.com/info/Faith_Chapel_Church_ritual_abuse_case

Anonymous JAG December 08, 2017 6:45 PM  

Men's careers, marriages, lives can be destroyed in an instant without evidence, due process, or equal protection before the law.

This is why I don't look down my nose at the MGTOW guys. Most of them are MGTOW because women have become so toxic through feminism that they are no longer attractive.

Plus, many of these guys have seen their brothers, fathers, uncles, etc., utterly destroyed by the feminist court system that makes the man an indentured servant for the rest of his life after taking everything else away from him all because the woman got bored or some other ridiculous reason.

I realize that this is not a popular opinion around here, but those are my reasons for being sympathetic to the MGTOWs. How could you blame them, really? I know that lack of breeding is the biggest issue many have with them, but they are staunch allies when it comes to the issue of feminism.

Blogger lowercaseb December 08, 2017 6:58 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Heinlein never had any children. That's a factor, too.

Sorry to say this, but it isn't at all impossible he was in that room when that stuff was happening. In fact it's likely.


I love me some Heinlein as well, but this is a guy who reportedly got pulled into a threesome and was cucked by L. Ron Hubbard.

Blogger VD December 08, 2017 7:01 PM  

I think you meant to say girls as young as 3.

You think incorrectly. I said exactly what I meant to say.

Anonymous BBGKB December 08, 2017 7:02 PM  

Not far off topic

NEW Jewrasik Park has dinosaurs as African refusegees needing saving

http://www.towleroad.com/2017/12/jurassic-world-trailer/

Blogger VD December 08, 2017 7:03 PM  

Plus, many of these guys have seen their brothers, fathers, uncles, etc., utterly destroyed by the feminist court system that makes the man an indentured servant for the rest of his life after taking everything else away from him all because the woman got bored or some other ridiculous reason.

So what? That's like excusing soldiers for running away because they saw one of their buddies get killed. They're cowards and they are unfit for defending Western civilization.

"Oh no! What if a girl takes half my toys?"

Blogger Koanic December 08, 2017 7:05 PM  

> I know that lack of breeding is the biggest issue many have with them

Those too proud to breed in captivity should fight or flee. Or both, like Moses.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora December 08, 2017 7:12 PM  

Half your toys, all your dignity. While the woman goes on to date other men making your child or children 30 times more likely to get raped. It's not good to not get married but it's hard to blame people for it.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 08, 2017 7:16 PM  

@104 Vox, I had a lifelong friend go through a 'I hate women phase'. It was a phase but he was not a better man during that phase.

A good man needs a good woman. We're made for each other.

Anonymous Gratisadviso December 08, 2017 7:19 PM  

Claire Berlinski is no different from even the crudest form of women's utilitarian view of men--we want more leg room on these lifeboats, freeze in the frigid waters.

They need men as a "utility" and if it means creating a law to PREVENT you from carrying out the Pence rule, they will do so. Your Pence rule "hurts us" because it prevents us from freely "moving about" in your male circles, even if there are (many) casual victims of us...we don't care--we will decide whom and now, and we forbid you to protect yourselves.

Blogger Patrick Pham December 08, 2017 7:24 PM  

VD wrote:So what? That's like excusing soldiers for running away because they saw one of their buddies get killed. They're cowards and they are unfit for defending Western civilization.

"Oh no! What if a girl takes half my toys?"


A soldier gets respect for his service and sacrifice. Even the communists in the Cathedral can't do more than grumble at the moto displays at sportball shows, much less touch their preferential treatment in a lot of things.

Being a husband does not get that sort of respect. It may have gotten such in the past, but now being one is considered laughable. You're a Homer Simpson. You have no defense against being cuckolded and humiliated in a most public fashion, before being denied access to your children and having your paycheck halved by a uncaring state.

If MGTOW are shirking soldiers, Vox Day is a commissar, putting the gun to their heads. "Marry this feminist shrew, for the good of western civilization!"

Anonymous Outis December 08, 2017 7:29 PM  

Sorry to say this, but it isn't at all impossible [Heinlein] was in that room when that stuff was happening. In fact it's likely.

Doubt it. In those days, the SF Pro and Fan communities had little to do with each other, except at the Worldcon. Different social circles.

Heinlein didn't live in the Bay Area anyway; and if he ever was involved in "fandom", it would have been in the 1940s. By the time he was a BNP, he had little use for fandom. (Though he was willing to be fêted; he was the GoH at the 1961 Seattle Worldcon, where I got to shake his hand. His "juvenile" series was a major element in my adolescence; in fact I began reading SF when I came across Rocket Ship Galileo in the children's room of the local library ca. 1955.)

And this was the "FIJAGH" side of fandom, who weren't actually much into discussing science fiction in social gatherings. It was a bunch of friends – who provided me the family I never had in the hostile environment where I grew up.

The only SF writer of the time who might have been at any of those Berkeley parties was Poul Anderson. I do remember a party at the Andersons' (in Orinda) where there was a lot of "swapping" (adults – though I was/am not sure such behavior is "adult") going on. I was too gamma-shy and conventional to take part (and very uncomfortable with the whole scene), but my "girlfriend" at the time was quite enthusiastic. Anyway Anderson was not a very regular attendee at others' houses.

Anonymous Viiidad December 08, 2017 7:37 PM  

Patrick Pham wrote:Vox Day is a commissar, putting the gun to their heads. "Marry this feminist shrew, for the good of western civilization!"

That is a bald-faced lie. It is obvious who your father is.

Anonymous Tipsy December 08, 2017 7:37 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:What is the crime committed when a woman physically or emotionally destroys her child in the service of the mother's quest for social status?


Jellybyism? Was this not the case with Mrs. Jellyby in Dicken's Bleak House?

Anonymous Killua December 08, 2017 7:47 PM  

Just watch. You don't even need very much more than the failure of antibiotics against STDs

The emergence of antibiotic-resistant diseases are one of the things that actually scare me.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Real Men correct Nate ... 's ... speeling ◕‿◕ ... ◔ ⌣ ◔ ... ◕‿↼ Passive Aggressively ) December 08, 2017 7:51 PM  

speaking of 'covering for monsters', Arizona police ruled not guilty in willful murder of unarmed White man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw

Anonymous Patron December 08, 2017 8:02 PM  

All this reminds me of the following quote, because I do wonder how many allegations at the moment are exaggerated or outright lies: "Lord make me good - but not just yet."

First we burn Hollywood et al down, then we start repairing things.

Blogger Lovekraft December 08, 2017 8:13 PM  

@ 114: I just saw that video earlier today. Going to be a while until I shake it off. The kid was basically pleading for his life.

The only info I have that led up to it was he was waving a gun around. So there's likely a backstory. But, man...

Blogger Lovekraft December 08, 2017 8:17 PM  

If this thread gets into MGTOW, things are going to heat up really fast. Hopefully we can establish some basic premises first before the mudslinging.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Real Men correct Nate ... 's ... speeling ◕‿◕ ... ◔ ⌣ ◔ ... ◕‿↼ Passive Aggressively ) December 08, 2017 8:44 PM  

116. Lovekraft December 08, 2017 8:13 PM
The only info I have that led up to it was he was waving a gun around.



PELLET gun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/08/graphic-video-shows-daniel-shaver-sobbing-and-begging-officer-for-his-life-before-2016-shooting/?utm_term=.198ee0dc7880

yes, obviously Shaver was being stupid before the cops showed up.

but he was fully compliant ( as much as one could expect ) once confronted.


here's the thing:
i've never heard of a 'crawl' which does not involve your belly being parallel to the ground, and often requires your belly to be ON the ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawling_%28human%29

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/crawl?s=t
"to move in a prone position with the body resting on or close to the ground"

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/prone?s=t
2.having the front or ventral part downward; lying face downward.
3.lying flat; prostrate.


so, the police issue an order to get into an erect posture with his hands in the air ... or they're going to murder him.

and they also tell him to "crawl" ... or they're going to murder him.

ie - these are mutually exclusive commands. because the cops are fucking retards who don't know how to speak English ( even though they are also White ).

but the cops did make sure to threaten him with death on several occasions if he did not perfectly follow every order.

so, put yourself in Shaver's position. how do you make these retards happy?

Anonymous Avalanche December 08, 2017 8:46 PM  

@78 "I had wondered during the MJ trial if he wasn't just a supremely immature man, who was easily manipulated into situations that he could get shaken down for.
Perhaps Neverland was a safe port in the storm."

As I wrote here a few days ago: Jackson was ALSO abused and misused. It may be that Neverland was indeed a safe haven -- perhaps he could play AS a child, with children, in his fantasy land, WITHOUT the sexual overtones... And at the same time, allow the boys a chance to be safe in an amusement park. He had the money -- and security forces! -- to protect himself from further abuse, and perhaps shared it with other kids?

Problem always is: all the "news" we have about him and his life is from the media.

Blogger Lovekraft December 08, 2017 9:08 PM  

@ 118: for anyone who's had a glimpse into the morally-depraved corporate world in which common sense and sticking one's neck out in the pursuit of truth means demotion and ostracizement, I can only imagine the tactical training that has been going on.

When, during these sessions, did anyone stand up and point out the numerous flaws as evinced in this cold-blooded murder? Fail on numerous levels. The worst thing, these officers will get to take time off for 'counselling', the trainers line their pockets with more sessions, and the BLM mob gets to be appeased with a sacrifice of whitey.

Anonymous Svensons December 08, 2017 9:26 PM  

I'm not defending MGTOW per se, but it is a truism that many, if not most, in the west today are the results of dysgenic breeding patterns. What I would prefer is ``voluntary eugenics''. I. e., people living chaste lives voluntarily because they understand that their genetic makeup is less than optimal.

I'm not excluding myself here, and since I've become a Christian -- in part by reading and following this blog, so, yeah, thanks Vox Day --, I understand that it's completely possible to live a celibate life with the help of Christ.

Of course, this is utopian. But the fact remains that when, for example, Germany was at its cultural peak during the era of Goethe's Weimar, there were only some 22 Million Germans alive, and at that time Germany---while not officially a nation until the 1870's---was even larger than today in terms of its territory. Also, only 8 percent in Goethe's time were literate, and yet we got the great romantic artists and writers, the Sturm und Drang movement, the German idealist philosophers and so on.

As the German geneticist Volkmar Weiss writes, when a man and a woman who both have IQs above 124 have a child, their child will have an IQ of at least 124 with a probability of 98%; the other 2% are due to complications during birth, like lack of oxygen. In Genius Famine, Bruce Charlton, too, understands that the likelihood of having smart offspring is a lot higher if the parents are smart themselves; most average people will have average children; most dumb people will have dumb children.

So the quality of the population matters a lot more, and I'd say that even in our aging western societies, we still have a problem with overpopulation; there are simply too many of us to live a life of quality. And as a Christian, one understands what could be in store for one's children: they could end up in hell. Seven years ago, before becoming a Christian and trusting in Christ, I hanged myself. Luckily, my incompetence saved me. I only lost consciousness. But it could have turned out worse, and I could have ended up like Judas (Matthew 26:24!). So it's more important to convert existing people, in my opinion.

Anonymous Svensons December 08, 2017 9:50 PM  

Yes, the implications of Christianity (and especially Matthew 26:24) being true and my hanging attempt still haunt me to this day. Please take life seriously, because it's serios.

OpenID franklinfreek December 08, 2017 10:05 PM  

Let us put this in the crudest of Freudian terms. Women have castrated men en masse.

And when that happens you get Sweden.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 08, 2017 10:18 PM  

so, put yourself in Shaver's position. how do you make these retards happy?

It was a no-win setup for Shaver. Obviously they wanted to kill him for some reason. Wonder if he attended the events in Las Vegas a couple of months back. Mesa, AZ is the Mormon suburb of Phoenix. This only serves to prove my point above about the utter silliness of thinking the police are interesting in stopping pedos or anything else. The badge-gang goondas at all levels are merely armed criminals operating under the color of law. Worthless government employees who will do absolutely anything ordered - no matter how completely lawless - for an empty promise of 30 pieces of plastic pension. Obviously they pick them from the lower end of the bell curve. The banksteins will end up looting their precious pensions completely, which is probably far less justice than they deserve.

Anonymous Luke December 08, 2017 10:36 PM  

#121 Svensons: You underestimate the reversion to the mean strong tendency in human intelligence. If two parents have 124 IQs, their offspring will likely be somewhat lower in smarts.

From http://www.vdare.com/posts/regression-toward-the-mean-and-iq

"“Your kids and regression” Steve writes “Assuming a parental midpoint of n standard deviations above the population average the kids` IQ will be normally distributed about a mean which is around +0.6n with residual standard deviation of about 12 points.” He also gives a helpful example immediately below “So, e.g., for n=4 (parental midpoint of 160 – very smart parents!), the mean for the kids would be 136 with only a few percent chance of any kid to surpass 160 (requires +2 standard deviation fluctuation).”"

"a man with an IQ of 140 marrying a woman with an IQ of 140 and having only one child (whose expected IQ would be 124) vs. that same man marrying a woman with an IQ of 120 and having three children. The second man`s highest IQ child will have an expected mean IQ of 128 which is higher than the man who married the smarter woman but had only one child."

"twenty IQ points is a lot: 120 vs. 140 is a big difference and it will be by definition much harder to find a woman with an IQ of 140+ (one in 261) vs. one with an IQ of 120+ (one in 11) and it will be much more difficult to persuade your wife to give up IQ 140-career track (Fortune 500 CEO, Ivey League tenured professorship etc.) than IQ 120-career track (nurse, high school teacher etc.) for changing diapers in the middle of the night. If one is concerned about having one or two competent kids to whom one can leave the family business to one might consider finding a slightly less intelligent woman who is willing to have a few kids."

Anonymous Viiidad December 08, 2017 10:38 PM  

Svensons wrote:I'd say that even in our aging western societies, we still have a problem with overpopulation; there are simply too many of us to live a life of quality.

It's not a zero-sum game. There's plenty of land and lots of resources. Be fruitful and multiply. Let the liberals destroy themselves. Our children will inherit the earth.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 08, 2017 11:00 PM  

"How feminism maneuvers vis a vis Islam's family structure is going to be very interesting."

Not in the slightest. Feminism only exists because the men of the society at large failed multiple shit tests. Islam will quash and submit them without even thinking twice about it, and they won't even have time enough to squeak.

"If this thread gets into MGTOW, things are going to heat up really fast. Hopefully we can establish some basic premises first before the mudslinging."

Let the slinging begin. Once it gets good and hot, that's when you spring it on them.

"You're willing to get all hot and bothered at me over calling you out as a coward and yet you're not willing to engage, defeat, and rightly subjugate the women that by your own descriptions do many times worse. What are you gay?"

"Let us put this in the crudest of Freudian terms. Women have castrated men en masse."

More accurately, "Men have allowed themselves to be castrated by women en-masse."

"If one is concerned about having one or two competent kids to whom one can leave the family business to one might consider finding a slightly less intelligent woman who is willing to have a few kids."

Nix "a few" and insert "as many as you responsibly can and maybe one or two more", and you have a recipe for success at that game.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 08, 2017 11:07 PM  

On the upside for particularly stupid people (compared to their family backgrounds/culture), they're very likely to have children considerably smarter than themselves. No one gets an easy advantage by luck, and the same goes for disadvantages. If this weren't the case, we'd be really screwed, with a caste of ascending gods, one of descending slaves, and a middle caste of basically static pawns that is forever dwindling in both directions.

Blogger Dire Badger December 08, 2017 11:08 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:@71 Brick Hardslab

Asimov I never cared about, I was disappointed by Clarke but Heinlein makes me furious. I grew up reading his juveniles. I knew he was a free love type from reading his later stuff I had no idea he'd put up with perverted crap like this.

The polyamory shows up in "Stranger" and "Moon is a harsh mistress", both in the 50's. His first novel in the 1930's featured a man with two "wives", so his interest in poly was there from the start. Did you ever read "Farnham's Freehold"? That's from the 1960's, incest is a minor part of the plot.

Heinlein never had any children. That's a factor, too.

Sorry to say this, but it isn't at all impossible he was in that room when that stuff was happening. In fact it's likely.



This... Hurts. a Lot. Heinlein RAISED me... His Juveniles gave me the instruction as a young man my lack of a Father excluded.

He has always been my hero... Until I began questioning his Atheism ten years ago.

Now? Now I feel betrayed on a level even my 'overseas' divorce couldn't evoke.

Blogger Michael Neal December 08, 2017 11:18 PM  

Amen VD, this is why many of the red pill folks are pussies, they have some things right but are so aftraid of what they know that they are reduced to cowering fools. Get a wife and have children and dont be afraid to love, just be strong enough to survive even if she flakes out.

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Blogger Ahärôwn December 09, 2017 12:28 AM  

Related, 9th circuit appeals court judge (((Alex Kozinski))) now accused of sexual misconduct.

Anonymous Ain December 09, 2017 2:30 AM  

"The slow burn," will turn out to be a build up of fake documents and fake audios..."

Their usual tactic is to throw out so much disinformation that people can't tell the real abusers from the falsely accused, like dumping chaff to foil a missile tracking system. The problem they have this time is just about everybody in Hollywood has participated or covered it up.

OpenID paulmurray December 09, 2017 3:39 AM  

> Our success and advancement relies upon the personal and informal relationships we have with our colleagues and supervisors.

As opposed to, say, being extremely good at your job.

Blogger Koanic December 09, 2017 4:00 AM  

> "Oh no! What if a girl takes half my toys?"

Even David's army was like to stone him when their families were taken.

"Better a dry crust with peace and quiet than a house full of feasting, with strife."

Anonymous tublecane December 09, 2017 4:09 AM  

@88-Then there's All You Zombies, featuring an "intersex" character who becomes his own mother and father via time travel. Eww

Anonymous tublecane December 09, 2017 4:17 AM  

@104-It's a soldier's job to follow orders and stay in line.

You do not, however, have to get married and procreate to be help defend Western Civilization. Plenty of lifelong bachelors and spinsters advanced the cause, so to speak. They used to be respected members of society, back when society was sane.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 09, 2017 6:10 AM  

Short of a return to a violent state of nature,

Well yes, and short of hitting the ground, there's no harm to jumping off a tall building with no parachute.

With a) that's coming to light n I w, I wonder about those day care panics a couple of decades ago
There was some sort of setup going on. Were they trying deflect blame for something they couldn't keep hidden onto some random patsies?

Blogger Antony December 09, 2017 7:02 AM  

Whilst much of the focus recently has been on (((Hollywood))) moguls abusing Shiksas on the casting couch, one wonders when the issue of (((music producers))) making use of vulnerable girls will surface, as there have long been rumours about this, sometimes with Shiksas, sometimes with black girls. On this note, anecdotally I've noticed that many Jewish men seem to have a thing for black girls, but this is not really talked about, possibly because they are scared of getting their heads chewed off by Jewish women - although there was a controversial book on the subject ; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Every-Black-Woman-Should-Jewish/dp/1490341978

Blogger Jack Burroughs December 09, 2017 8:05 AM  

Observer: "It can't happen! It can never happen! History is one straight march from the pits of the ugly raciss, sexiss past to the sexy secular progressive scientopia!"

That is not my prediction, nor is that my subtext. There probably will be some sort of civilizational course correction of the incoherence and excesses of what calls itself "feminism," but overall it will not be what the tradcons want. It *will* lead to a growth in the number of unapologetically tradcon women--in fact, that is already happening--but there will not be nearly enough of those women for a resurgent tradcon spirit to bring about a sexual counter-revolution.

"Just watch. You don't even need very much more than the failure of antibiotics against STDs - something which is well under way, thanks in part to the wonderful help of faggots - to see a massive reversal."

It's true that such a development would provoke a change in sexual behavior. But it would not create a new world of tradcon women. Instead, it would lead to the development of new sexual norms, just as the AIDS crisis in the 80s led to the mainstreaming of easy oral sex. People who were in their sexual prime in the 1970s consistently say that, while promiscuity prevailed in that decade, oral sex was surprisingly rare. Most people were squeamish about it. But that changed with that AIDS crisis.

When untreatable STDs begin to proliferate--and I agree that that day is coming--it's easy to imagine a new norm of people carrying around some sort of official STD test result, proving that they are disease free. They would show each other their results before having sex, and often even before going out for the first time. It would become normal for people to post their test results on dating sites. Certain parties and events would only invite people who could prove that they were STD negative. Certain nightclubs would check your STD status at the door, along with your ID.

And do you know what would happen then? Women inside those controlled "safe zones" would behave even more recklessly than they do today. The knowledge that everyone in the room had recently tested negative for STDs would mean that many women would no longer demand that men wear condoms. And the feeling that they had crossed a threshold from a sexually deadly "out there," into a safe and controlled "in here" would add to the erotic charge of such parties and clubs, which would enable the flourishing of orgies and excesses of every kind.

Tradcon is not the future, guys. Yes, the culture is changing. But it isn't going to change into that.

Anonymous Avalanche December 09, 2017 8:21 AM  

@127 "Feminism only exists because the men of the society at large failed multiple shit tests. Islam will quash and submit them without even thinking twice about it, and they won't even have time enough to squeak."

I must admit to a bit of vindictive "serves you right you fools!" at the idiot leftie girls who 'fall in love' and move with their islamic masters AWAY from the West (even INSIDE the West, i.e., local no-go zones!), and discover it ain't what they thunk AT ALL!! Harsh punishment for stupidity, but Nature doesn't give a damn about singletons, only the species!

On the one hand, it's sad for the idiot girl and her (probably low IQ) family; on the other it cleans the gene pool!

Anonymous Avalanche December 09, 2017 8:32 AM  

@134 "> Our success and advancement relies upon the personal and informal relationships we have with our colleagues and supervisors.
As opposed to, say, being extremely good at your job."

Surely you're not THIS naive? Or have you never worked in business or govt?!

Anonymous Avalanche December 09, 2017 8:40 AM  

@139 "I've noticed that many Jewish men seem to have a thing for black girls,"

Same with black-on-White porn -- it's not the sex, it's the dirty-dirty that titillates! 'Doing' shiksas is making THE GIRLS dirty; doing blacks is making the jew dirty. It's all "good." (Making White girls do blacks is a double hit: White girls having disgusting sex AND with blacks...) (Of course, most of the "White" girls turn out to be jewesses who changed their names: what a surprise.)

(No one here is unaware that porn is jewish and for the destruction of our White Euro-derived / Christian people, right?)

The 'clean(-ish)' version:
https://www.darkmoon.me/2014/pornography-as-a-secret-weapon-by-lasha-darkmoon/

The direct/open version:
https://davidduke.com/jewish-professor-boasts-of-jewish-pornography-used-as-a-weapon-against-gentiles/

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 09, 2017 1:05 PM  

"Surely you're not THIS naive? Or have you never worked in business or govt?!"

We're not saying that it doesn't rely at all upon those things, Avalanche.

What we ARE saying is that if it relies upon nothing else than "the personal and informal relationships we have with our colleagues and supervisors", they're by definition a whore who is for all intents and purposes there to sleep their way to the top.

Anonymous Desert Rat December 11, 2017 10:08 PM  

I met Walter Breen once back in 1963 at a coin convention at the Jack Tar hotel in San francisco. I was 16 at the time. Breen was quite well known for his expertise in identifying forgeries. If you had a rare coin that you wanted verified as genuine Breen was the go-to man for authentication. Breen simply said hello and stared at me. I was young and pretty good looking back then and the stare was one I was to experience more than once after I moved to S.F. a few years later. I used to work near the Tenderloin area which was rife with sexual degenerates and perverts at the time and a young man drew a lot of attention when walking those streets.

I remember him for his very long and bushy dark hair and unkempt tangle of a beard. In 1963 men did not wear long hair and beards were uncommon. I also remember that he smelled strongly of B.O. and that sprinkled in his hair were the largest flakes of dandruff I have ever seen. With him was a person whose sex I was unable to determine at the time but later learned was female. This person was bundled in some kind of heavy winter garment that covered from neck to ankle and its head was covered by one of those caps I used to see on the heads of Nepalese or Sherpas shown in National Geographic. This female wore glasses, said not a word, and appeared to have no better hygiene than Breen. She appeared to be quite a bit shorter than Breen. I have since seen photos of the Bradley woman and believe this may have been her.

I remember at the time being rather shocked at Breen's appearance. He was employed at U.C. Berkeley and I had expected him to look like the "classic" academic who smokes a pipe, has elbow patches on his blazer and whose hair might overlap his collar a bit with maybe a small goatee or close trimmed beard. Silly me. Breen would fit in perfectly today and never draw even a first glance for his appearance or odor.

I have nothing to say beyond what is stated. Just reminiscing.

Blogger Amahl_Shukup December 12, 2017 8:49 AM  

I did not quite understand your line, "It failed faster than civic nationalism." I was of the opinion that nationalism itself was doing just fine, but maybe it's the "civic" part I don't get. Please elucidate.

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