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Monday, December 25, 2017

No, Virginia, Jesus was not a refugee


We increasingly hear from the Churchians that Joseph, Mary, and the Baby Jesus were refugees, and therefore we should welcome the invasion and conquest of our nations by millions of "refugees". Even the so-called Pope Francis implies as much
Pope Francis in Christmas Eve remarks likened the journey of Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem to the migrations of millions of people today who are forced to leave homelands for a better life, or just for survival, and he expressed hope that no one will feel 'there is no room for them on this Earth'. 
But this is an out-and-out lie, as the Bible quite clearly demonstrates. How can Joseph possibly have been a "refugee" in his own town? To the contrary, he and his little family were returning home, as per the edict of the first Roman emperor. He quite literally had to go back.

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Blogger James Jones December 25, 2017 7:30 AM  

After the nativity in our church they read our a poem about taking refugees. I think under these circumstances, Jesus will approve of me having punched the pastor in the face. A five fingered Christmas gift, yay.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 25, 2017 7:36 AM  

Be Joseph.
Relocate to a better economic environment.
Doing well in your carpentry business.
Broker a wife from a good family. Excellent.
Little problem, I can deal with this, it'll be good.
Huh, so apparently I've been drafted into something God is up to. Wasn't expecting that one.
Argh! Freaking Romans. I hope second cousin Levi that visited once is still alive.
Drat, Levi got run over by a cow.
Baby is good, but, Lord, is housing a problem here.
It's not everyday a bunch of rich guys show up to give your new kid a huge fortune. And that star really is quite bright.
Angel came back, time to take a vacation to Alexandria.
Egyptian beaches were actually pretty awesome, time to actually head home, now that a new King is in power.

And 2000 years later a bunch of idiots are trying to use Joseph's whirlwind couple of years to justify their virtue signaling, in service of the destruction of their own people. Related to that, Joseph really gets the badly abused by the Churchians as well.

Blogger McChuck December 25, 2017 7:39 AM  

From the book of Matthew:
13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 7:44 AM  

If Trump had been emperor, there would've been room at the inn. Since we're paying for not-Israel anyway, we might as well rule it.

Blogger Grape December 25, 2017 7:45 AM  

Somewhat related:

I went to Christmas Eve service with my parents last night and could not believe what I witnessed from a Christian church.

It seemed like a normal service, with songs, scripture readings, as well as a short sermon. But through it all, there was not one mention of Joseph or Mary. Not one! In previous years, the theme of the service has always centered around the birth of Jesus and the story as told by the Gospel of Luke. This year, the whole theme of the service seemed to be about having faith that the Messiah will return and redeem Israel.

It started with the first hymn sung, which was O Come, O Come Emmanuel, a hymn that begins “O come, O come, Emmanuel and ransom captive Israel...” and continued on with the scripture readings and closing prayer.

All of the scripture readings were from the Old Testament, except for the last scripture read, which was from Luke and centered around Simeon and Anna’s faith at seeing their people redeemed.

The Old Testament verses read included the story of God commanding Abraham to kill his only son, Isaac, which seems appropriate for Easter, but not so much Christmas Eve. Another OT passage read included Genesis 12:3, which the pastor phrased as those who curse Israel will in-turn be cursed. There were multiple other OT verses read that described the coming Messiah and having faith that He will return; having one such reading seems fine, but this was overdoing it. The closing prayer featured Simeon and Anna. The pastor read it from a piece of paper.

I have only attended Christmas Eve service at this church over the past couple decades. My observations are that it has seen dwindling attendance over the years at the same time that it has modernized. True of most churches I suppose. It is the same physical structure and location, but it is not the same Church I went to as a kid.

Since it might be asked, the pastor was male. I don’t know about the rest of the Church leadership. In any event, this seems to be a different type of convergence.

All that being said, Merry Christmas everyone!

Anonymous Anonymous December 25, 2017 7:56 AM  

The hated left-wing will use any excuse or lie to justify bringing in foreign invaders to replace us.

Shameful.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum December 25, 2017 8:06 AM  

@3. There's nothing in the text to suggest Joseph and his family were refugees in Egypt. They sojourned there briefly, and presumably Joseph plied his trade as usual. They thought of themselves as Israelites the entire time, the evidence being that they went home as soon as they possibly could.

We have no indication that they depended on the charity of Egyptians, tried to apply for Egyptian citizenship, expected the right to vote for the next Pharaoh, or milked the Egyptian healthcare system.

Still less is there any indication they were part of a mass immivasion of Hebrews with babies fleeing Herod.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf December 25, 2017 8:07 AM  

Oh my, I love it :)

Blogger Stilicho December 25, 2017 8:17 AM  

@3 don't be a dumbass, they went home as soon as they could

Anonymous UF December 25, 2017 8:20 AM  

McChuck wrote:From the book of Matthew:

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.


Egypt was then a provice of the Roman Empire. If that makes Joseph a refugee, anyone who moves from Indiana to Ohio is also a refugee.

Blogger JDC December 25, 2017 8:22 AM  

This is almost as stupid as the thing I've been hearing about Mary being the victim of sexual abuse from God...God impregnating her against her will. (I work as a pastor / chaplain at a nursing facility - one of the nurses dropped this bomb on me right after our Christmas Eve service yesterday).

She intimated that "the church" needs to get ahead of this. In her mind I believe she, and a group of SJW's will be working to get Yahweh removed for sexual misconduct. I told her to stop being an idiot and read Luke 1 instead of taking her theology from a terrible cable show. We'll see what happens from here.

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 8:31 AM  

If the Left is endorsing the Egyptian refugee program, all I can say is I look forward to the slaves.

Blogger Gloriam Deo December 25, 2017 8:38 AM  

@koanic a couple cute Arab concubines would be nice. I always did have a thing for head scarves. Very demure and lady like when worn with the right clothes and attitude.

Blogger Lovekraft December 25, 2017 8:47 AM  

Moving into next year, I remind people to be wary of the rabid SJW and GloboJihadis.

These two groups have deception and resentment as primary characteristics and I believe this directs much of their behavior. So they need an enemy and will look for you to be their sacrifice.

Be alert and smart. Do not take any bait and be prepared to document and record any and all conversations they try to initiate.

Saying this because I sense a shift coming in which these two groups are going to go on the offensive after a massive drubbing over the past year.

Anonymous justsomeguy December 25, 2017 8:49 AM  

Eqypt and Judea were all controlled by Rome. Herod was a client king, with some local control, but subservient to Rome. Eqypt was a Roman province.

So, in effect, it was moving to another state short term until the local ruler was out of power.

So, not refugees, no more than someone moving from California to Texas to avoid the tyranny of governor Moonbeam.

Anonymous Tamquam December 25, 2017 8:51 AM  

Later they *were* refugees in Egypt (contra E Deploribus Unum, they fled an untenable political situation and took refuge (refugee, get it?) in Egypt). No doubt Joseph practiced his trade there to maintain his family. But they *still* went back long before Jesus was 12.

Anonymous Laz December 25, 2017 9:08 AM  

"So, not refugees, no more than someone moving from California to Texas to avoid the tyranny of governor Moonbeam."

Governor Moonbeam isn't actively trying to murder everyone's children... yet.

Anonymous BBGKB December 25, 2017 9:10 AM  

no indication that they depended on the charity of Egyptians, tried to apply for Egyptian citizenship, expected the right to vote

I am pretty sure any refugees to Egypt at the time would have become slaves.

WAR ON CHRISTMASS:

The jew behind Gay Black Santa was surprised to hear
OY VEY Hold my beer. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7lmrf4/the_left_is_sticking_lasers_into_their_ases_to/

Decide for yourself if seeing a jewish holiday light show is safe for work.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 25, 2017 9:18 AM  

@17 Laz

All that support Abortion actually *are* trying to murder everyone's children. So, well, it's apt.

Anonymous Grundstok December 25, 2017 9:21 AM  

Well, the idea that people had to travel to their hometowns for the census is absurd and is not supported historically.

So they were travelling for some reason...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 25, 2017 9:22 AM  

This is easy, "they" will go back to tolerant, diverse countries with vibrant cultures, we are doing them a favor.

Blogger Purge187 December 25, 2017 9:23 AM  

"The hated left-wing will use any excuse or lie to justify bringing in foreign invaders to replace us.

Shameful."

It's one of the Marxist Ten Commandments: when it comes to violent criminals, if they ain't White, they're alright.

Blogger Nate Winchester December 25, 2017 9:29 AM  

Regardless of the accuracy, that is the verse the "jmj = refugees" crowd are using, not the ones Vox quoted.

Blogger Nate Winchester December 25, 2017 9:36 AM  

Not aburd and while maybe debatable there is some historical support.
http://christianthinktank.com/qr1.html

Blogger Silly but True December 25, 2017 9:37 AM  

I received a double dose at Christmas Eve service. The lead pastor is still male and has been in his role for 12 years. But last night's sermon gave us exactly this metaphor.

But we also got the cherry on top: the special Christmas offering was being used to support one of the local woman's clinics to support single mothers with emergency pregnancy services, and we should give because Mary was the best example we for a an unplanned emergency pregnancy.

The pastor did not clarify if the church-supported clinic performed abortions.

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 9:42 AM  

> Well, the idea that people had to travel to their hometowns for the census is absurd and is not supported historically.

Sure it is.

That's where Joseph's property was. Land under the Law is patrilineal. The census is a tax assessment. So you have to be where your property is.

Blogger Johnny December 25, 2017 9:46 AM  

Jesus laid claim to being a descendant of King David, and thus by scripture was eligible to be King of the Jews. And keep in mind we are dealing with a people who are still tribal to some extent.

As King David was from Bethlehem they probably wanted Jesus to be born in Bethlehem for the symbolism of it, and it would lend appeal to the claim that Jesus was one of descendents of David. Thus if he wasn't, they may well have come up with a story that placed him there.

Also in that era the idea of being impregnated by a god was not all that radical. And for any women of ordinary tendencies it would be a great honor to have such a thing happen.

Anonymous UF December 25, 2017 10:04 AM  

Johnny wrote:Also in that era the idea of being impregnated by a god was not all that radical. And for any women of ordinary tendencies it would be a great honor to have such a thing happen.

This wasn't true about Romans at the time, and it was NEVER true of the Hebrews, so it doesn't apply to Mary. 2/10 shilling--Soros isn't sending his best

Blogger SouthRon December 25, 2017 10:09 AM  

Your an idiot Groundskunk.

Censuses in the Old Testament were taken by family and land was hereditary, so returning to the town of your forebearers is less than absurd.

Blogger Sam Spade December 25, 2017 10:12 AM  

AntiPope is a Cancer to Christianity. I hope people is strong enough to find the truth despite not having a good leader and the lies of the satanic impostor.

Blogger Johnny December 25, 2017 10:12 AM  

@28 "This wasn't true about Romans at the time, and it was NEVER true of the Hebrews,"

Now that you bring it up it occurs to me that the hereditary priesthood would likely be hostile to the idea for the same reason they were hostile to that upstart Jesus coming up with original doctrine.

I was thinking of Alexander the Great's mother.

Blogger Matthew December 25, 2017 10:13 AM  

I see the friendless atheists are out.

Anonymous TexasRoyalist December 25, 2017 10:23 AM  

Yesterday was the Fourth Sunday in Advent. If you went to a mass before 3:00, it would be the advent mass and not the Christmas Eve mass. Can't speak for the Protestants, but some probably do the same. Your experience sounds like you attended the advent service.

Blogger Michael Maier December 25, 2017 10:34 AM  

I hate these people. I think righteously. They are foul serpents and need ground underfoot.

Blogger Glaivester December 25, 2017 10:44 AM  

"Well, the idea that people had to travel to their hometowns for the census is absurd and is not supported historically. "

It's quite likely that this was not part of Augustus' decree, but was something unique to the Jewish nation under Roman rule - that is, due to the strong tendency in Israel/Judea for land to be permanently under a particular family's possession (purchases of land only lasted until the next year of jubilee), it is possible that the authorities in Judea decided that everyone in Judea would have to return to their hometowns so that the Roman census would reflect their count of who belonged where.

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 10:50 AM  

Or just Joseph was visiting Mary's family / working there as a carpenter and had to return home to have his land and house assessed.

Blogger Lovekraft December 25, 2017 11:00 AM  

A chilling reminder that Christmas is under attack not only by domestic enemies, but the 'religion of peace' and its enablers:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-24/chrislam-europe-folds-islamization-christmas

Blogger Ingot9455 December 25, 2017 11:22 AM  

@37 There's that Tashlan again.

Blogger Michael Maier December 25, 2017 11:24 AM  

This thread is not helping me feel goodwill towards men today.

Blogger Jon Mollison December 25, 2017 11:26 AM  

Own goal. WWJD? Have to go back, duh.

Thanks for another great year, Vox. All my best to you and yours.

Anonymous JosephC December 25, 2017 11:31 AM  

Ah yes, the continued battle over what an ancient book has to say about a modern world with which it bares no similarity. Yes, please, knock yourself out.

Regarding the movement of poeples, until someone can tell me why we ought to remove ourselves to 18th century model of nations, I'll continue to be amused by the strange obsessions of race baiters.

Blogger Lazarus December 25, 2017 11:34 AM  

We increasingly hear from the Churchians that Joseph, Mary, and the Baby Jesus were refugees,

Not just any refugees, but Palestinian refugees.

Blogger papabear December 25, 2017 11:34 AM  

Usually the Holy Family is said to have been refugees when they fled to Egypt. I suppose the current bishop of Rome couldn't wait to make a comparison until after Christmas.

Blogger Lazarus December 25, 2017 11:39 AM  

SDid everyone see that picture of the Pope snorting cocaine off an infant's body part?

link

Or have I just had too much egg nog and mimosas.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd December 25, 2017 11:50 AM  

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Blogger Wynn Lloyd December 25, 2017 11:51 AM  

The quote by the pontiff was so demoralizing. Props to Vox for lifting my spirits during a low point, brought on by the Vicar of Christ himself.
The "Holy Father" has zero interest in anything remotely spiritual. Just left wing politics dressed up as religion.
AL has created a huge crisis, and Francis hasn't even addressed the Dubia. What kind of leader wing even attempt to refute his opponents?

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 25, 2017 11:57 AM  

Who was Ruler over Judah? Octavian Caesar.
Who was Ruler over Egypt? Octavian Caesar.

It was like Joseph was moving the Family from New York City to Passaic to escape Bloomberg.

Blogger Out of Nod December 25, 2017 12:06 PM  

Pastors and priests the world over get a position of honor, being credentialed from "Christian" academia, propped up by "Christian" media, and supported by the unknowing and well meaning masses, and they spew this drivel with impunity.

I'd consider heckling but that gets you kicked out of church and gives an ego boost to the Churchians because they truly believe they are doing God's work...they'd play the martyr and double down.

Blogger Murray December 25, 2017 12:26 PM  

The problem isn't that the Holy Family were refugees (they were). The problem is that the post-modern world (including the pope) has vastly expanded the definition of "refugee" to encompass anyone who wants to move to a wealthier country for any reason whatsoever.

Joseph and Mary were fleeing from a tyrant who intended serious and unavoidable harm. This is a perennial feature of history, and wealthy countries should offer refuge to those who genuinely have no other options. But this refuge must be granted only when strict conditions have been met, and the default assumption must be that refugees are to return home when the danger is past, which is precisely what Joseph did.

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 12:28 PM  

> wealthy countries should offer refuge to those who genuinely have no other options.

No they should not. That is anti-Biblical and dysgenic.

Anonymous John in Indy December 25, 2017 12:41 PM  

But isn't there a pending suit about his order / law requiring non-abortion service providers to promote abortion services?
John in Indy

Blogger Murray December 25, 2017 12:42 PM  

@50 There's nothing dysgenic about granting temporary and conditional refuge to people fleeing war and persecution. Nor is it anti-biblical. It's certainly dysgenic according to the current understanding of the word, by which permanent residence is granted to pretty much everyone who asks. But that's not the sense I'm using.

As far as I'm concerned, the Turkish camps near the Syrian border were the appropriate solution to that problem: relatively cheap and decidedly temporary, the kind of places you'd be glad to leave as soon as possible. This is the paradigm I favor, not some open-ended invitation to come, find work, and stay for as long as you like.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 25, 2017 12:46 PM  

Indeed, the Gauls started out in Eastern Europe, but they were pushed westard by successive waves of "refugees" out of Asia

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 12:53 PM  

> There's nothing dysgenic about granting temporary and conditional refuge to people fleeing war and persecution.

Yes there is. Dieoffs are part of the natural cycle for some species of human. Your misplaced charity has nightmarish implications. Either quote the verse or be silent with your vile moral inventions. There is no moral duty to tikkun olam.

Blogger DonReynolds December 25, 2017 1:00 PM  

Once again, the infallible Pope is flat wrong.
Mary and Joseph were not "forced to leave their homeland", they were required by the Roman census to RETURN to their homeland.....where they were born.
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None of the migrants, illegal aliens, or refugees are returning to their birthplace. They are LEAVING their homeland. They are invading countries where they have no relations, no blood ties, no cultural similarity, and do not speak the language. They are no different from locusts or other pests, consuming everything, and producing nothing....even for themselves.
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Why does this man feel free to distort and twist the story of Christ to satisfy his political agenda?

Anonymous Anonymous December 25, 2017 1:04 PM  

The verse quoted in the meme is Luke 2:1 and 3 (skips verse 2 about when the census took place). Matthew 2:1-3 is the Magi arriving in Jerusalem and asking Herod "Where is he who has been born king of he Jews?"

Blogger Murray December 25, 2017 1:12 PM  

@55 No, they were actual refugees, in the literal sense of the word. Matthew 2:13:

And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will
seek the young child to destroy him.


According to the Infogalactic article:

Egypt was a logical place to find refuge, as it was outside the dominions of King Herod, but both Egypt and Israel were part of the Roman Empire, linked by a coastal road known as "the way of the sea",[1] making travel between them easy and relatively safe.

(Emphasis added.)

Blogger Dos Voltz December 25, 2017 1:16 PM  

This is the finest response I've seen, from a guy who is very non-Churchian, reposted by Wife with a Purpose: (It's epic, as the kids say...)

https://wifewithapurpose.com/2017/12/24/jesus-was-not-a-refugee/

Blogger DonReynolds December 25, 2017 1:17 PM  

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Blogger DonReynolds December 25, 2017 1:20 PM  

Murray wrote:
The problem isn't that the Holy Family were refugees (they were). The problem is that the post-modern world (including the pope) has vastly expanded the definition of "refugee" to encompass anyone who wants to move to a wealthier country for any reason whatsoever.

Joseph and Mary were fleeing from a tyrant who intended serious and unavoidable harm. This is a perennial feature of history, and wealthy countries should offer refuge to those who genuinely have no other options. But this refuge must be granted only when strict conditions have been met, and the default assumption must be that refugees are to return home when the danger is past, which is precisely what Joseph did.


Mary and Joseph were NOT REFUGEES of any sort. They were NOT fleeing any tyrant, most certainly not the Roman one, and the only threat was to refuse to comply with Roman law. Returning to the place of your birth is not being driven from your home. THAT IS your home.

The ONLY people I am aware of, who have no other options AND are being driven out of their own country, credibly on the pain of death, are white South Afrikans and their new neighbors, white Rhodesians. There are no other people who have no other options, most certainly not in the Middle East.

Yes, white South Afrikans and white Rhodesians should have blanket approval to come to the UK and the USA...particularly since it was those governments that created their crisis and removed the white governments of those countries. They are responsible for what they caused and they should take steps to mitigate the suffering of those people.

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 1:28 PM  

Oh please, there are plenty of people without options facing death, and if you can't let them die then leave your kin behind, because you are traitor to them.

Blogger Murray December 25, 2017 1:33 PM  

@60 My apologies. You're correct. I failed to notice that the pope was likening the journey to Bethlehem to an act of seeking refuge. I was thinking about the Flight into Egypt, which most certainly was.

As a Catholic, this is far from the first time that the current pope has caused me an almost physical pain with his mangling of Scripture to fit the Procrustean Bed of his relentlessly horizontal political preoccupations. As a result, I tend to ignore much of what he has to say. In this case, it led me to misconstrue his argument. Sorry about that.

Blogger DonReynolds December 25, 2017 1:33 PM  

@57 Murray
An immigrant is a person who goes to another country (from his own country) and becomes a citizen of another country.

There were many states in the Roman Empire and the states were ruled by Roman and Roman citizens lived throughout the Roman Empire. Moving from one state to another state did not change anyone's status to immigrant or refugee. Harod was a nasty guy and he was a brutal ruler over the locals, but he served at the pleasure of Rome.

Very similar to the situation in the United States. You can leave the Blue State and move to a Red State without being considered an immigrant (or a refugee) because it is the same country and your citizenship is unchanged....just your quality of life. They went to Egypt because it was a state of the Roman Empire. The crummy state where they lived was unhealthy for them, but ONLY because of Herod's fear of the newborns...one of whom was expected to take his job. That did not make the newborn an immigrant nor his parents.

Blogger Murray December 25, 2017 1:45 PM  

@63 I'm familiar with the political structure of the Roman Empire at the time. Regardless, by moving to Egypt, the Holy family was escaping the depredations of the local ruler, who had pretty wide latitude to do as he pleased. The Romans probably wouldn't have been too concerned about the Slaughter of the Innocents--such things probably happened pretty frequently at the time--so appealing to them wouldn't have been much use, especially for non-citizens.

Nor did I say the Holy Family were immigrants. Again, I'm distinguishing the literal meaning of "refugee"--which held sway until quite recently--with the current distortion of the word, under which it means anyone who wants a better life somewhere else. The Holy Family were the former: people seeking refuge from a life-threatening calamity, who went home as soon as it was possible to do so.

But this is kind of moot, since we've already established I was mistaken about the pope's argument (such as it was). One the other hand, you can count on him turning it up to 11 once we get to those readings in a short while!

Blogger Lovekraft December 25, 2017 1:53 PM  

@38: I had to look that one up. C.S. Lewis introducing a character that represents a false combination of two separate entities (is that a fair enough summary?).

This Christlam (this will be the last time I type out that word) stunt sounds similar to Kwanzaa. Both are African-originated.

And we all just love everything that came out of Africa, right?

Blogger DonReynolds December 25, 2017 1:56 PM  

@64 Murray
I have seen Catholics in pain over this Pope and it hurts my heart to see how he has redirected the Church away from the historic message. They are good and decent people, what I would call well above average, and they seem to know the teachings of Christ much better than their leaders. They are disgusted and revolted by what they hear and I take no pleasure in their disappointment.

Sometimes we hear the argument that Central Americans who fear their own gang-banging relatives have a right to refuge in the USA because they are in fear. I reject that argument because it is the Central Americans themselves who make their countries into hell holes and when they come to the USA, they do not leave it behind....they bring it with them.

We have the same problem with too many of the Muslims as well. They never seem to leave Islam behind. They only bring it with them and that makes them colonists rather than refugees. The same could be said about MS-13 savages. There is no place for them in this country and they refuse to be assimilated into American society.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 25, 2017 2:47 PM  

This pope is amassing quite the track record for hijacking the Gospel to be used as a political weapon to promote his leftism. IOW, he's been shown thoroughly to be the Liberation Theologian that he has been all along.

(Recall that Liberation Theology is the attempt to hijack the Gospel in the name of Marxism. It was declared to be heresy by Pope John Paul II. Francis, who had a known affinity with it prior to becoming pope, swore that he had disavowed it in order to become pope. But as we know, SJWs always lie).

Blogger Robert What? December 25, 2017 3:25 PM  

Remember that old joke “is the Pope Catholic?”. Well now it is no longer a joke: it is a legitimate question.

Blogger Dire Badger December 25, 2017 3:37 PM  

Whether the holy family were immigrants or not is immaterial, they were not economic invaders.

Blogger Joe Keenan December 25, 2017 3:49 PM  

@62 This guy makes me wonder if the Sedecativists are correct! But then again, we survived Alexander VI, we'll survive this guy!

Blogger SirHamster December 25, 2017 4:01 PM  

UF wrote:Egypt was then a provice of the Roman Empire. If that makes Joseph a refugee, anyone who moves from Indiana to Ohio is also a refugee.

Californians fleeing their state's Democratic policies are refugees of a sort.

They still have to go back.

Blogger The Scribe December 25, 2017 4:54 PM  

At the girl's "winter play" this year, they performed "The Best Christmas Pageant Ever," which seems to be the only semi-Christmas time play allowed in the school system anymore. There was a line about the Holy Family being "practically refugees." Seen so many cropped up and repatched versions of the play, I didn't know if it was original or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if the drama teacher inserted it because she thought she was clever and socially awoke and stuff.

Things really do change. Back in the 80s and 90s, the meme was Jesus and his parents weren't refugees; they were homeless.

Anonymous Robert Aske December 25, 2017 5:07 PM  

A more approximate analogy to the present refugee crisis would be Barabbas fleeing to Germania to collect weregild.

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 5:14 PM  

There is ONE story about refugees in the Bible - the Hivites. Through fraud, they managed to avoid genocide in favor of enslavement. The Biblical solution to refugees at your border is to enslave them.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 25, 2017 5:44 PM  

Were not the Israelites refugees under Moses out of Egypt and into Canaan? On a mission to not merely conquer the Canaanites but to wipe them out? I believe the command of the Lord was to leave not one Canaanite breathing.


So, conquest and cultural genocide are also on the table for refugees, not just enslavement.

Blogger Koanic December 25, 2017 6:10 PM  

> Were not the Israelites refugees under Moses out of Egypt and into Canaan?

No.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 25, 2017 6:14 PM  

Refugees fleeing California because of high taxes and vibrancy need to go back. Like Muslims they will bring their culture with them and attempt to take over the red state and mold it to their culture.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 25, 2017 10:46 PM  

I've watch the St Peters service every Christmas going back many years. I never thought the day would come where I would be screaming profanitites at the TV during the service. But, there I was last night.
I also noticed the commie bastard used the term "revolutionary" several times.

Thanks for the post and Merry Christmas.

Blogger James December 26, 2017 1:32 AM  

I really don’t think there were border-crossing agents in Roman Egypt to determine who was entering the country. I don’t know how long it would take for Egyptian tax collectors and police agents to notice that someone moving from Bethlehem was residing in Egypt. I don’t know the responsibility of “refugees” in first century Egypt for reporting their presence. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a built in safety net to provide aid, food, and housing for “refugees” in Egypt at that time. And what option would Joseph have to support his family other than working and earning a living? The fact that a globlowhomo like Pope Francis applies 21st century definitions of refugee to Joseph, Mary, and Jesus is proof that he is not interested in teaching the truth of scripture, but is deliberately lying to promote the will of the true entity he worships. Lucifer. “Refugees” to White countries, which is pretty much the only countries that refugees seek to permanently relocate to, provide aid to cultural invaders. A decision made by the State, not the citizenry. But, the “refugees” are required to apply for “refugee” status and, if accepted (usually), they are not expected to do anything in return for these gifts. Equating “refugees” from the 1st century AD with “refugees” in 2017 and beyond is like comparing honeybees to ticks.

Blogger Unknown December 26, 2017 7:51 AM  

Well,
1. They were on the move due to a tyrannical governments edict to try and control the population.
2. Then they were on the move to flee a tyrannical political elite trying to hold onto power and kill their child.
3. No welfare state to suck off of and the father had a trade that he could live off of. (okay similar to the Brownies coming here and taking over the trades) but I doubt he put any Gypioos out of work.
4. Don't go to Church anymore cause all they talk about is their overseas efforts...Homes for Aids infected women in Kenya; well in Peru (where I had so many wells dug with the Army done there surprised the country hasn't flooded or sunk)..education center in INDIA..WFT where all our good paying jobs are going or the fuckers come here and steal them.
Color me jaded.

Blogger McChuck December 26, 2017 8:16 AM  

To all those comparing conquered nations under an occupying empire to States in the USA - read a book. Go find an older dictionary and maybe a dusty encyclopedia set, and use them to learn the actual meanings of things and true history. Then come back when you've grown intellectually tall enough for the ride. Until then, watch, listen, read, and learn.

Blogger Funkmonkey December 26, 2017 10:44 AM  

Now thats how you shut up a self contradicting moron.

Blogger Funkmonkey December 26, 2017 10:47 AM  

Put a clothes hanger on the collection plate and see what he says.

Blogger Funkmonkey December 26, 2017 10:50 AM  

Look up 'Superbia' - a hint from a friendless atheist. Its a mortal sin. Enjoy hell.

Blogger Funkmonkey December 26, 2017 10:58 AM  

You forget the same kind of camps are also at the head of the channel tunnel in calais as well. They aint going home. Theyre ambushing truck drivers and trying to smuggle themselves in the opposite direction from home where they can get the most easy money from guilt ridden white people.

Time to lose the guilt complex. These people all have every opportunity to develop in this world. They need to start taking responsibility for themselves.

We dont feed wildlife because then it gets accustomed to being hand fed and cand feed itself. Why are we doing it to third world nations.

Blogger Funkmonkey December 26, 2017 11:01 AM  

Right so they went to Egypt to get out of the rain any tree or rock outpust could be a refuge. Am i a refugee when im under an umbrella? This is symantics dear and they were not, by any modern definition, refugees.

Youre welcome.

Blogger Funkmonkey December 26, 2017 11:03 AM  

Bring them to Australia. We need them. They are us with funny dutch accents and come from almost the same home.

Blogger Rich Hughes December 26, 2017 10:39 PM  

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Blogger Sean Parker December 29, 2017 1:29 AM  

Such a motivational and blessed line shared, just made my day.
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