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Thursday, December 21, 2017

Of abuse and assets

This executive order by the God-Emperor must have taken more than few people by surprise. I wonder whatever could have provoked it?
Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption

I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that the prevalence and severity of human rights abuse and corruption that have their source, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States, such as those committed or directed by persons listed in the Annex to this order, have reached such scope and gravity that they threaten the stability of international political and economic systems. Human rights abuse and corruption undermine the values that form an essential foundation of stable, secure, and functioning societies; have devastating impacts on individuals; weaken democratic institutions; degrade the rule of law; perpetuate violent conflicts; facilitate the activities of dangerous persons; and undermine economic markets. The United States seeks to impose tangible and significant consequences on those who commit serious human rights abuse or engage in corruption, as well as to protect the financial system of the United States from abuse by these same persons.

I therefore determine that serious human rights abuse and corruption around the world constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.
I wonder if Mr. George Soros happens to be one of "(i) the persons listed in the Annex to this order"? And who else is on that list, because the order is clearly casting a very wide net, including anyone giving any assistance to the persons targeted.

And this would appear to confirm some of my suspicions about an unexpected corporate resignation today.

ES (Goog) resigned today post EO.

Coincidence?

There are no coincidences. Schmidt is definitely Deep State. It may be pertinent because the executive order gives the executive branch agents the ability to immediately shut down any corporation with executives who are involved in this. And to do so without warning.
Sec. 7. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in this order, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to this order.
UPDATE: Make that two. Papa John's CEO John Schnatter also stepped down today. Papa John's Pizza....
Papa John's says its founder John Schnatter will step down as CEO next month, about two months after he publicly criticized the NFL leadership over national anthem protests by football players. The company said Thursday that Schnatter remains chairman but be replaced as chief executive by Chief Operating Officer Steve Ritchie on Jan. 1. Ritchie would not say if Schnatter's NFL comments played a role in the job change.

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Anonymous Patron December 21, 2017 8:28 PM  

I believe this is the annex. For now...

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0243

Anonymous Man of the Atom December 21, 2017 8:41 PM  

Globalist Replacement Underwear stocks -- through the roof!

Anonymous ZhukovG December 21, 2017 8:44 PM  

The list as it stands is fairly unremarkable. However, Sec. 7 seems to indicate that once a person is on the list their assets have already been seized, if possible.

Blogger Silly but True December 21, 2017 8:45 PM  

That's certainly a rogue's gallery of nonpartisan evil right there.

Anonymous BBGKB December 21, 2017 8:48 PM  

George Soros happens to be one of "(i) the persons listed in the Annex to this order"?

Darn it I wish VD wouldn't post joo or SHTF threads so far off his normal posting times. Looks like Soros won't be stabbing the dollar in the back like he did the pound sterling

Blogger Hunsdon December 21, 2017 8:49 PM  

It ain't "Ozzie and Harriet" that's for sure!

This is better than the smell of napalm in the morning.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 21, 2017 8:54 PM  

The storm has landed.

Merry Christmas!

Anonymous CloseHauled December 21, 2017 8:55 PM  

I missed the Q "ES (Goog) resigned today post EO.

Coincidence?" post but saw the EO order one earlier.

If Schmidt and Schnatter are resigning then they've already been dealt with.

Like when Tony Podesta resigned from his own company. He knew he was done.


They shouldn't fly or trust anyone that says the train is fine.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer December 21, 2017 8:56 PM  

This has the potential to be a very nice Christmas present for all people who desire to MAGA and a great start to his second year in office. Soros and Schmidt might be the start here but the Clintons, Poedestas, Obama and Jarrett could easily get swept up under this as well.

Blogger Cato December 21, 2017 9:00 PM  

Ohhh this might be Good >:)

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 21, 2017 9:03 PM  

Mmm...I'm still with you on the Soros thing, but the Papa John's bit strikes me as a genuine coincidence. Then again, the name "Domino's" makes me wonder if the pizza industry has always been converged...

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 21, 2017 9:04 PM  

Mmm...I'm still with you on the Soros thing, but the Papa John's bit strikes me as a genuine coincidence. Then again, the name "Domino's" makes me wonder if the pizza industry has always been converged...

Blogger D. December 21, 2017 9:05 PM  

see: Definition of denouement

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 9:05 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:The list as it stands is fairly unremarkable. However, Sec. 7 seems to indicate that once a person is on the list their assets have already been seized, if possible.



Yes, that is what I've been thinking too. Assets seized?

Blogger Lovekraft December 21, 2017 9:06 PM  

A lot of canaries have been squeezed behind the scenes and have given up a lot of names, I'm sure of that.

And those that remain defiant, they were likely presented with some hard evidence as to how they obstructed various attempts to prevent certain 'misdeeds'.

The United Nations vote today is an example of how to structure a goal in which positions of various players are exposed (the vote was brought forward by Turkey and Yemen, two basket cases of nations).

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Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 9:09 PM  

This is going Global against the Globalist very soon, as it has to do that to clean it up.

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2017 9:10 PM  

The GE has taken the war to the corporate level. He is strangling North Korea through war on corporations that deal with them. Globalism and corporates go hand in hand. Reigning in corporations may be more effective than sanctioning states.

"Combatting human trafficking and modern slavery is both a moral and strategic interest domestically and abroad," --- Ivanka Trump

Blogger Hen December 21, 2017 9:13 PM  

I realized this today, just today (so slow)...at first this all seemed way too good to be true. And global in scope seemed impossible. But nothing is impossible to our Savior, especially when He is working with the GE Trump. Merry Christmas to all of us!

Blogger DAMN SON December 21, 2017 9:14 PM  

not papa johns. h3h3 is going to be heartbroken.

Blogger VD December 21, 2017 9:15 PM  

Note that the UN action gives Trump an excuse to cut off a LOT of foreign aid that we all know is badly misused. If this is on, expect him to follow up on that soon.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville December 21, 2017 9:18 PM  

#13 ZhukovG wrote:
The list as it stands is fairly unremarkable. However, Sec. 7 seems to indicate that once a person is on the list their assets have already been seized, if possible.

Yes, that is what I've been thinking too. Assets seized?


You know that this makes me think of? MBS and his approach in Saudi Arabia and locking down all the princelings until they hand over most of their assets.

Anonymous krymneth December 21, 2017 9:21 PM  

I know the GEOTUS went with "drain the swamp", but this looks more and more like a successful run at "starving the beast" to me every week, despite that phrase's legacy of failure. A systematic strangling of every resource the swamp uses to perpetuate itself. The simplest strategies are so often the best....

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 9:23 PM  

Have people actually LOOKED at the order? It includes anyone involved with epstein, anyone involved with Haiti.
It also includes ANYONE that has ever assisted Illegals in violating the law... That means California and all sanctuary cities...

Also anyone that has ever knowingly EMPLOYED an illegal. That means small and large business owners, many MANY megacorporations, and a ton of politicians and even police and military forces.

It also suspends 'Limited iability' for corporations that hire illegals. That means the entireupper management is eligible for arrest and confiscation.

And anyone that attempts to help anyone 'get around' this is also legally culpable.


This is... This is the match that might start the civil war. technically mpost of the entire state of California could be 'impounded'.

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 9:24 PM  

Not to mention, this confiscates all profits sent south by illegal immigrants, as well as forcing companies like western union to NOT send those profits south.


THIS IS IT!

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2017 9:26 PM  

I don't think he is bluffing with the UN stuff. They all knew what the vote was going to be like, its been the same kind of numbers for decades. They either still think it is business as usual, or they are stuck in a loop, but Nikki Haley spent a lot of time giving them fair warning.

Big test will be the foreign aid to Egypt and Jordan, who are large recipients and voted against.

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2017 9:31 PM  

I know the GEOTUS went with "drain the swamp", but this looks more and more like a successful run at "starving the beast" to me every week, despite that phrase's legacy of failure. A systematic strangling of every resource the swamp uses to perpetuate itself.

research Consumer Finance Protection Bureau for example.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 21, 2017 9:31 PM  

I notice that the "Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act" is mentioned strongly. Isn't that the one that the Russians keep trying to get repealed because it messes with their ability to safely stash money in the US?

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass December 21, 2017 9:34 PM  

@1. I'm surprised that annex isn't classified. However it is a who's who of scum.

@24. He probably will use it on illegals and employers. #nottired

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 9:35 PM  

POTUS cannot make law nor by-pass Constitution.

Charge, try and convict.

This smells just like civil asset forfeiture.

Anonymous Weak December 21, 2017 9:35 PM  

I think Badger is right that this is the match. If the other side had issued an EO so wide ranging and draconian, we would lose our minds at the tyranny.

The GE needs our strength more than ever to show that he is the will of the people.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 9:40 PM  

Of the named individuals have committed crimes against citizens of these uSA then call them pirates and put a bounty on their heads. That is a function of the Congress.

Blogger Nathan December 21, 2017 9:42 PM  

Bill Clinton pictured with one of the people on the amend: https://imgur.com/a/gyMue

Also, twitter thread: https://mobile.twitter.com/HNIJohnMiller/status/943988810702041088

This EO appears to be the beginning of something serious. I was hesitant to put faith in the "coming of the storm" theories that have been floating around, but I find this EO hard to explain as something other than an attack on Deep State corruption.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2017 9:44 PM  

As with all power grabs, the most important part is how that power is used, and against whom.

Play the game as it exists. Question: which candidate was ultimately more effective in bringing about smaller government and liberty?

Ron Paul
Donald Trump

Ron Paul is one degree of separation away from Donald Trump...

Blogger pnq8787 December 21, 2017 9:44 PM  

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Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2017 9:45 PM  

29. Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 9:35 PM
POTUS cannot make law nor by-pass Constitution.

Charge, try and convict.

This smells just like civil asset forfeiture.


That game has gone by the wayside. If there is a culture war, then there is a defacto culture Martial Law.


"The whole question is — who will overtake whom?" ---Lenin

Blogger Koanic December 21, 2017 9:45 PM  

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0243


I don't like this Globocop list, but I suspect that's the opposite of how it's being used. More judo.

Just don't ever lose the presidency.

Blogger D. December 21, 2017 9:45 PM  

denouement news:

"Still, Pelosi took umbrage when a reporter said she was making predictions about Republicans losing 2018. "Did I say that they were going to lose the House? I didn't think I talked politics here," she said. "I said that they're acting as if they're losing Congress because they're taking all -- they're stealing the silver. They're taking all the valuables out of the house right away. You'll see more of it -- 'we've got to get this done.' Because they've got, shall we say, a donor-based value system... I said they're acting like people who know that their power is short-lived."

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/pelosi-tax-bill-going-destroy-creators-like-frankenstein/

double down nan

Blogger 1337kestrel December 21, 2017 9:47 PM  

POTUS cannot make law nor by-pass Constitution.

In other news, a local company is selling bread already sliced, and electrification is gaining steam in New Jersey.

Blogger Koanic December 21, 2017 9:53 PM  

I agree, this move is immoral. The USA should stick to confiscating everyone's assets indirectly by pumping fiat debt enforced at gunpoint.

That's why I like living in a mosquito-filled swamp. I like not knowing exactly when my blood got stolen.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 9:54 PM  

"The Storm" on one hand is to be an information storm.

And, check on the 28th Amendment to the Constitution. Supposedly that Amendment along with this EO gives incredible powers to the POTUS. No, just heard about this and not sure about it. But theree are 150 corrupt to the max Fed judges put in by the frauds running the government since 1988. This EO may give the right for their removal. If so, I'm for it. The Bushes as well as the Clintons and BHO are evil.

Yes, military trials, and a minimum of jail for life for all of these, and seize all their assets.

Blogger Student in Blue December 21, 2017 9:55 PM  

Papa John being related doesn't pass the smell test. He'd been in the hotseat for a while now for suggesting that maybe, just maybe, the football kneelers were not a good idea and advertising in the NFL had taken quite the hit because of it.

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 9:56 PM  

Holy shit

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 21, 2017 9:58 PM  

Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass wrote:I'm surprised that annex isn't classified. However it is a who's who of scum.

Oh, you better believe there's a classified annex. There always is.

Anonymous Jay Will December 21, 2017 10:03 PM  

Drain the swamp. How good is this guy.

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 10:03 PM  

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Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:04 PM  

"POTUS cannot make law nor by-pass Constitution."

Just what do you think they have been doing the past three decades?

And, they gave the POTUS even more power,becuse..."They didn't think she could lose."

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 10:06 PM  

Yea fuck them, use against them what they would on us no mercy

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:06 PM  

These people really are Satanist, do you think VD was exaggerating. They are pure evil, and are now being destroyed World Wide, and you want to nitpick?

Anonymous christofer December 21, 2017 10:10 PM  

"Ohhh this might be Good >:)"

It's not what you think, nor hope. Nor is VD even in the neighborhood with his speculation.

Speaking of the Storm and Q and Anon.....There's another conspiracy theory, along with Pizzagate and Black Helicopters, up in smoke.

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 10:10 PM  

This is a counter coup plain and simple

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:13 PM  

The information war will be put in place soon, and an info flood is coming, and it will be very important. In some ways "The Storm" has more than one meaning, and information is the highest level.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:15 PM  

christofer wrote:"Ohhh this might be Good >:)"

It's not what you think, nor hope. Nor is VD even in the neighborhood with his speculation.

Speaking of the Storm and Q and Anon.....There's another conspiracy theory, along with Pizzagate and Black Helicopters, up in smoke.


MSM major talking point 2/10 shilling

Blogger Cato December 21, 2017 10:16 PM  

christofer wrote:It's not what you think, nor hope. Nor is VD even in the neighborhood with his speculation.

Oh What do you mean Christofer?

Anonymous christofer December 21, 2017 10:17 PM  

"MSM major talking point 2/10 shilling"

It's only shilling if it's wrong. Otherwise, it's just the truth. You folks, along with VD, are playing in a fantasy world. The funny thing is....you know it.

Anonymous gxg December 21, 2017 10:19 PM  

On topic, here's a few nuggets dropped today by "Mega-Anon."

The Swamp's financials FROZE OVER while they all slept last night, y'all. It's gonna be a LOOOOOONG Christmas break for them... they were all broke before sunrise. Now we'll get to watch them squirm through the holidays. By January 2nd, these people won't even recognize DC.

This covers kids/humans, drugs, arms/guns, WMD's/chemicals/Uranium, organs, etc.

Now if you want to know who in our swamp woke up with frozen accounts, foundations, "charities", side businesses and shell orgs/LLC's, etc. dig into the annex list...

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:19 PM  

Fantasy Land is normie and Leftist territory.

Anonymous Just another commenter December 21, 2017 10:19 PM  

Well.

That ought to peg the REEEEEE!!! meter good and hard.

Anonymous christofer December 21, 2017 10:20 PM  

"Oh What do you mean Christofer?"

Well, first of all, VD didn't have the google smarts to find out who was on the list. Then he speculates some sort of relationship between the order and Schmidt, Soros and Papa Johns. Waiting.......... Waiting........ Ah nothing.

Third rate fantasy writing....Is what I mean.

Anonymous christofer December 21, 2017 10:20 PM  

Anyone who promotes this latest PizzaGate hoax is a anti-Semite retard.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 10:20 PM  

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Blogger S. Thermite December 21, 2017 10:23 PM  

It does look like the GE is gearing-up for some swamp-monster hunting.

Who wouldn't want a Soros-skin wallet for Christmas, metaphorically speaking? Shades of lampshades and all that, but there are plenty of (((non-Americans))) who'd also smile at such a gift.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:23 PM  

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Anonymous christofer December 21, 2017 10:24 PM  

Good fantasy is getting loved by niggers. VD only writes 3rd rate fantasy. You know what I mean.....

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 10:24 PM  

the concern trolling is epic today

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 10:24 PM  

The sword is double edged. It may, nay, will swing the other way.

I am well aware of the Constitutional situation ... since Geo. Washington put down a little "rebellion" and the 1st Congress began the debates/spending on internal improvements. Heck, since the ConCon con.

It does not mean we adopt all of the means employed by the enemy. Otherwise, what's the use of we keep perpetuating the usurpations?

Anonymous Stryker4570 December 21, 2017 10:25 PM  

Looks like the GE is teeing up the Clintons...

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 10:26 PM  

It will be used on us so let's just get it out of the way and use it to our advantage while we have it

Blogger Koanic December 21, 2017 10:26 PM  

> It's only shilling if it's wrong.

No. It's shilling if it's paid.

> The funny thing is....you know it.

The eager accusation of engaging in conscious self-deception is fascinating for what it reveals. It is one thing to reach that conclusion after careful examination of psychological evidence. It's another to blanket accuse a large diverse group. I need only consider how much evidence I would require to make such a statement, versus how little you possess, to conclude that you are a projecting self-deceiving liar intent on inflicting harm through what to you would be a shiv straight to the festering cogdis.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:26 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:The sword is double edged. It may, nay, will swing the other way.

I am well aware of the Constitutional situation ... since Geo. Washington put down a little "rebellion" and the 1st Congress began the debates/spending on internal improvements. Heck, since the ConCon con.

It does not mean we adopt all of the means employed by the enemy. Otherwise, what's the use of we keep perpetuating the usurpations?


muh Constitution Hey, Lyin' Ted is that you?

Anonymous christofer December 21, 2017 10:27 PM  

"It does look like the GE is gearing-up for some swamp-monster hunting. Who wouldn't want a Soros-skin wallet for Christmas"

Not happening...Soros is needed by the Far Right as the boogyman they can't find elsewhere.

Anonymous JAMES December 21, 2017 10:27 PM  

Let us pray that the Storm is real.

Would be fantastic if true.

Blogger CINTAVO December 21, 2017 10:29 PM  

IF THIS IS THE CASE IN POINT, THEN ALL THE AMERIKKKAN ASSETS NEED TO BE SEIZED, THE DESTRUCTION TO HUMAN LIFE AND PEACE BY THE AMERIKKKAN SWINE NEED TO BE DEALT WITH!

Anonymous The Other Donald December 21, 2017 10:29 PM  

As VD has wisely stated many times already "don't touch the poop"

Anonymous Populist December 21, 2017 10:29 PM  

“It does not mean we adopt all of the means employed by the enemy. Otherwise, what's the use of we keep perpetuating the usurpations?”

The conservative has no stomach to fight and no will to power. This is why conservatism is either nihilism or a scam.

Blogger Jakob Niedzwiecki December 21, 2017 10:30 PM  

You're right, why should we use semiautomatic rifles in warfare? Back to muskets and bayonets, boys!

Anonymous ZhukovG December 21, 2017 10:31 PM  

For those with libertarian objections, the Republic is done. Finished. Really it has been for some time. As they say on Broadway, 'We had a good run'.

But, from the moment our constitution was ratified, this was going to be the endgame.

We cannot ever allow the Globalist Left back into power, no matter what it takes.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot December 21, 2017 10:31 PM  

"Note that the UN action gives Trump an excuse to cut off a LOT of foreign aid that we all know is badly misused. If this is on, expect him to follow up on that soon."

It would be lovely if we'd stop trying to buy our way to good natured relations with Tin Pot Little Terrorist Countries as well.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 10:32 PM  

@63 JaimeInTexas

You clearly never gamed out a Hillary presidency and the likely response needs. If this ends up being "too broad", they courts will catch up during the Trump Administration and close it off. Remember, he's still on the Right and they'll work to limit his authority. (Funny, that.)

Blogger Chiva December 21, 2017 10:32 PM  

@The Other Donald.
The 'poop' is very concerned.

Anonymous christofer December 21, 2017 10:32 PM  

"It does look like the GE is gearing-up for some swamp-monster hunting. Who wouldn't want a Soros-skin wallet for Christmas"

You trailer trash morons blaming Soros for all your ills is like a white trash version of the blood libel.....

Blogger CINTAVO December 21, 2017 10:32 PM  

IT JUST SKIPPED MY MIND BUT "ISRAEL" SHOULD BE FIRST IN LINE TO HAVE EVERYTHING SEIZED,IF ANYONE IS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE IT IS ISRAEL!

Anonymous krymneth December 21, 2017 10:32 PM  

Shills would be well advised to cash their checks quickly. This EO suggests they might just find they don't clear.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 10:33 PM  

@67
I voted for Trump and wages $1000 that Trump would win.

So, no, I am not "Lyin' Ted"

Who the hell are you?

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 10:33 PM  

I feel like the poop has gotten lower in quality. Either the India shift has kicked in or we're really, really over target.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 21, 2017 10:34 PM  

VD wrote:Note that the UN action gives Trump an excuse to cut off a LOT of foreign aid that we all know is badly misused. If this is on, expect him to follow up on that soon.

What's funny about that is that Trump would have the majority of the American people backing him on that. When polled on where to cut government spending, no more than 30% of Americans can agree on most government programs getting cut.

Except for foreign aid. Usually, it's like 70-80 percent of Americans want to cut foreign aid.

Blogger Koanic December 21, 2017 10:35 PM  

> You trailer trash morons blaming Soros for all your ills is like a white trash version of the blood libel.....

Hahaha hey Christofer kike whatcha gettin for Christmas?

A free trip South for the afterlife.

Anonymous The Observer December 21, 2017 10:35 PM  

It does not mean we adopt all of the means employed by the enemy. Otherwise, what's the use of we keep perpetuating the usurpations?

Stop cucking.

Blogger Doug Cranmer December 21, 2017 10:36 PM  

That billionaire Toronto couple found hanged in their home last week. Very strange.

Blogger S. Thermite December 21, 2017 10:36 PM  

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Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:36 PM  

I don't want my friends, or family to be put in a FEMA camps, let them be used for Antfa and BLM and the Feminist cabals when they riot.

Blogger S. Thermite December 21, 2017 10:39 PM  

Kosher ham makes the best spam.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:39 PM  

The polls are Main Stream BS, don't even go there.

Anonymous krymneth December 21, 2017 10:40 PM  

Also, draining the swamp isn't an usurpation of power. It is a restoration of it to it's rightful owners under the American and Western civil contact.

If the left feels inclined to clean up corruption, crack down on human trafficking, restore power to the Republic's governance, imprison sexual monsters, etc, then I will celebrate them too. (A statement I make with great confidence, since logically, an implication with a false antecedent is automatically a true statement.)

Anonymous Skree December 21, 2017 10:41 PM  

Trump used the MAGNITSKY ACT as the legislative basis for this EO. You remember this act? Signed into law by one Barack Obama.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 10:41 PM  

@76
Actually, I did.

That is why I continue to defend Trump to people who did not vote for Trump. No, it does not mean they voted for Hillary.

There are lines crossing I will not support.

Civil assets forfeiture is a red line for me. The EO seems to narrow to a list of names but the language is generic enough to be problematic to me.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 21, 2017 10:45 PM  

@20 VD
Note that the UN action gives Trump an excuse to cut off a LOT of foreign aid that we all know is badly misused. If this is on, expect him to follow up on that soon.
---

President Trump mentions this very thing
https://youtu.be/_5HGYwD18QA?t=1035

Anonymous Populist December 21, 2017 10:45 PM  

“There are lines crossing I will not support.”

The virtue signaling of an impotent loser. I.e. conservatives

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 10:46 PM  

I think it's very cool that Trump is using Isreal as a stalking-horse for defunding the UN.

And people keep thinking he's selling us out to the Jews...

Go back to playing fecking checkers. This is an adults-only game.

Anonymous EH December 21, 2017 10:46 PM  

@23 The order only covers US persons and entities that have any dealings with _entirely_ foreign people or entities who have been designated prohibited under the EO by the SOS, AG, and SOT. They may designate anybody that has ever gotten a juicy government contract anywhere in the world, but until they so designate a person or entity, they don't fall under the order (except to be prohibited any entry to the US if they are "determined" to have had corrupt dealings - not necessarily determined by the 3 cabinet officials.)

Being present in the US is enough to be considered not a foreign person under section 6. c.: "the term 'United States person' means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States." (but OTOH the next section says that there need be no notice that a person is prohibited; also anyone it is "determined" /could/ be prohibited under the EO but hasn't yet been added to the list is still prohibited from entering the US, which likely means even flying through our airspace without landing).

This limitation of prohibition to only foreign entities is to avoid overstepping his constitutional powers, infringing constitutional rights - or in short, inviting judicial meddling. As written, it seems to mostly be being done through his foreign relations powers, which effectively have no court oversight.

It looks like SOT Mnuchin has virtually carte blanche to remove people from the list (only consultation with State and DOJ required) issue regulations implementing the EO and to delegate enforcement to any part of government.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 10:46 PM  

@83
Have you lost family land through eminent domain? Land used for public housing and, later, title given to residents to buy votes.

Yeah, gov taking of property is a sore spot for me.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 21, 2017 10:47 PM  

The Google schmuck has pedo face. Pizza papa is getting some praise over at Alpha Game

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 10:48 PM  

@95
And I hope that is how it stays.

Anonymous christofer December 21, 2017 10:48 PM  

"Also, draining the swamp isn't an usurpation of power."

Queue picture of Trump with his arms around McConnell, Ryan and the rest.

LOL

Trump IS the swamp

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:49 PM  

No, the way I feel about this is Trump knows what he's doing and will hem in his own power and future power where and when necessary, but JT, you are a cuck, as these people use their money to control the world.

muh Principles & muh Constitution... We've heard that for ever, from people who do and protect nothing, Libertarians, and conservatives.

Anonymous Populist December 21, 2017 10:49 PM  

“Yeah, gov taking of property is a sore spot for me.”

We better disarm too because how many black bodies are shot every year.

Blogger Alexander December 21, 2017 10:50 PM  

Now who mentioned anything about Semites...

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 10:52 PM  

christofer wrote:"Also, draining the swamp isn't an usurpation of power."

Queue picture of Trump with his arms around McConnell, Ryan and the rest.

LOL

Trump IS the swamp


You aren't tall enough for this ride, kid. go back to xojane.

Anonymous christofer December 21, 2017 10:52 PM  

Plus the only reason why Trump won was because Berniebros are racist. LOL, racist Democrats are the only reason why Drumph won.

Blogger Alexander December 21, 2017 10:53 PM  

It was already swinging the other way.

The enemy openly wants me and mine dead, our legacy erased from the earth, our women kept alive only long enough to rape into oblivion.

I am not worried that a weapon used to thwart that might one day fall in their hands. It is far too late for that.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 10:54 PM  

@100
I am known around here.

What I am not is your fool.

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 10:55 PM  

I guess Vox doesn't just ban people because they are idiots, hehe.

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2017 10:55 PM  

@ 96

Yeah, gov taking of property is a sore spot for me.

That is eminently understandable and very principled.

Now, in the movie Saving Private Ryan, should they have just shot that German prisoner in the beginning or not?

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 10:57 PM  

Anyhow, I'm interested mainly in the information storm, that is really coming, as I've seen hundreds of examples, and there are many more. This EO may only be a small part, don't know. Yet, "The Storm" is really coming (more than one meaning) and is not just a conspiracy thing. The Tax Bill was incredible, the Wall is coming and will be "see-through." Tons going on, so impossible to confirm every detail.

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 10:59 PM  

All I know is, it looks like Trump has decided to fullfill all of his campaign promises RIGHT NOW, and has the next 3 years to finish cleaning up.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 10:59 PM  

@108
If we gonna switch to movies, have you seen A Man For All Seasons?

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 11:00 PM  

"Now, in the movie Saving Private Ryan, should they have just shot that German prisoner in the beginning or not?"

Naw, Someone should have gotten a real gun and shot that perv Hanks.

Blogger Hunsdon December 21, 2017 11:01 PM  

Jaime in Texas:

Bro, it's war to the knife, knife to the hilt.

We're not living in a constitutional republic anymore. Not for a while now. I can understand wanting to play by the old rules, the good rules, but . . . .

Ask yourself: are we a constitutional republic?

Anonymous Principled Conservative in Utah December 21, 2017 11:03 PM  

Some of us reject the Ring of Power.

Blogger beerme December 21, 2017 11:04 PM  

Merry Christmas you filthy animals, you're poor. We're seeing levels of savagery that shouldn't be possible.

The absolute madman did it yet again. Still not tired.

FYI shills, I'd stop working on spec because some of your bosses are poorer than you are right now.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 11:05 PM  

Seems like an appropriate thread for this question, since it was brought up on DeadBird the other day.

Helicopter or Trebuchet?

I prefer the cleanliness aspects of the Helicopter, as you can remove the waste off shore, but there's a very efficient nature to removing your enemies by using them as ranged projectiles.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 11:08 PM  

I'm not quite sure what it'd look like, but "Turbo Gibbet" has a nice ring to it. I'm sure we can invent something to fit that name.

Anonymous Watchu talkin bout Willis December 21, 2017 11:08 PM  

Black Flag -- No Quarter

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 11:08 PM  

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Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 11:09 PM  

Trebuchet would be so fun

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 11:10 PM  

BTW, The Feminist Cabals are huge in the Satanist power structure. How the H*ll did the likes of Pocahontas get so much power and influence. She is a Lesbo, and will not even talk to most males. Even many of the married women in the DC elites are actually Dykes, and part of this cabal using there husbands to hide behind. They are the biggest of the child trafficers, and snuff film promoters, and a number of Right Wing women are working on outing them. HRC was only the forth most powerful on a list of 100. Jane Fonda was on that list as 20th.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 11:13 PM  

The Constitutional Republic was broken during the first Bush administration. HRC and her husband are personally responsible for 175 murders that we know about.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 11:15 PM  

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Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 11:15 PM  

tuberman wrote:BTW, The Feminist Cabals are huge in the Satanist power structure. How the H*ll did the likes of Pocahontas get so much power and influence. She is a Lesbo, and will not even talk to most males. Even many of the married women in the DC elites are actually Dykes, and part of this cabal using there husbands to hide behind. They are the biggest of the child trafficers, and snuff film promoters, and a number of Right Wing women are working on outing them. HRC was only the forth most powerful on a list of 100. Jane Fonda was on that list as 20th.

We are LIVING in a cyberpunk dystopia. The only things we are missing are flying cars and neural interfaces.

In other words, the fun stuff.

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 11:17 PM  

principled conservatism only works for principled conservatives living under a principled conservative society

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 11:17 PM  

@113
Yes.
I would have sided with Franco and Pinochet.

Does that mean that there is no room to mourn the excesses that were part of the required war, political or armed?

Anonymous Claymore December 21, 2017 11:17 PM  

It's tooth fang and claw baby. And I'm praying for President Trump!

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 11:18 PM  

Michael Neal wrote:principled conservatism only works for principled conservatives living under a principled conservative society
Ben Shapiro would like to have a discussion with you...

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 11:19 PM  

When we become a principled conservative society then we can be principled conservatives again

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 11:19 PM  

The biggest seizure of land was the Estate Tax making it impossible to pass on property to younger generations. The God Emperor JUST ENDED THAT.

The Lyin' Teds in this place didn't mention that did they? muh Priciple do nothin' cucks

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 21, 2017 11:20 PM  

cristofer said:
Anyone who promotes this latest PizzaGate hoax is a anti-Semite retard.

Every
Fucking
Time

It does not mean we adopt all of the means employed by the enemy. Otherwise, what's the use of we keep perpetuating the usurpations?
Guns are intrinsically immoral. Therefore, when our opponent hands us a gun, we must discard it and fight only with a man's weapon, a blade.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2017 11:21 PM  

Hunsdon wrote:Ask yourself: are we a constitutional republic?

Not since the 1860s. The Republic is long dead, and the empire which followed is dying.

Anonymous DissidentRight December 21, 2017 11:22 PM  

The Constitutional Republic was broken during the first Bush administration.

Lol you mean Lincoln.

Blogger Nathan December 21, 2017 11:25 PM  

This is the best thing that has happened since November 8 2016.

This is our chance to clean up insane corruption in our government -- and we are going to sit around bitching about executive power?!?! Our previous administrations have murdered millions of innocent children in insane wars during the past 5 decades and we are going to get our dicks in a knot over a handful of sociopaths losing all of their assests?!?

Truly, those of you who think you are making a "principled stand" against this have not thought about how evil the neoconservative/neoliberal junta has been.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 21, 2017 11:25 PM  

I figured the Papa Johns guy was toast when he came out and apologized to the SJWs over his previous complaint of the NFL kneelers. He should have read Vox' books. Never apologize to the SJWs! Sure enough they used it as a confession and crucified him with his own company. Wow such bitter Convergence! But if he's got pedo ties and he's a pizzaman? Wow, that's extra gravy.


Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 11:27 PM  

Well, only 2/3 of the lead Satanist families are Jewish, and only 95%+ of the major national bankers are Jewish (the CEOs,CIOs,and most of the senior VPs), but shhh, it's anti-Semitic to say that.

Anonymous Sam the Man December 21, 2017 11:29 PM  

Seems like "a bill of attainder", which is unconstitutional.

You cannot just take folks property without due process, which if I read this EXO does just that.

Perhaps a lawyer could pipe in here and explain how this is not a bill of attainder, or at least would be seen as one by the courts.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 21, 2017 11:30 PM  

It's been asked who funds the boats for the African migrants out of North Africa and other expenses, so there might be an angle there. Some EU outfit has lately been trying to assume the sale of migration at will into Europe, maybe a last ditch effort at legalism to save someone's skin like Soros

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 21, 2017 11:32 PM  

Maybe those who fund and organize the boats from Africa

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2017 11:34 PM  

@131
"Guns are intrinsically immoral"

No, they are not.

@130
I have not read the new tax bill. But, that is not the topic at hand.

You are a bore.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2017 11:34 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:Seems like "a bill of attainder", which is unconstitutional.

You cannot just take folks property without due process, which if I read this EXO does just that.

Perhaps a lawyer could pipe in here and explain how this is not a bill of attainder, or at least would be seen as one by the courts.


It only applies to furriners, outside the US. I bet it's legit. Trump is no fool, and has been careful to keep within his actual constitutional powers, and I think this is another example of that caution.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2017 11:36 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:@131

"Guns are intrinsically immoral"

No, they are not.


Use the enemy's weapons against him, or lose. Like it or not. Don't be a loser.

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 11:39 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:cristofer said:

Anyone who promotes this latest PizzaGate hoax is a anti-Semite retard.

Every

Fucking

Time


Clearly, he's a troll. He hasn't been here long enough to realize that branding one of us as 'antisemitic' is met with either laughter, or "Cool!"

I bet he'd brand RabbiB as 'antisemitic'.

Blogger Koanic December 21, 2017 11:39 PM  

The USA is the greatest force for global evil since the collapse of Eastern Communism. Its hypocritical anti-Biblical laws hold no moral force.

"The children are free." - Jesus Christ

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 11:42 PM  

put on your armor of God and have no fear

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson December 21, 2017 11:43 PM  

You guys saying, "muh Constitution and illegal seizure" you guys don't get it. The Deep State literally tried to pull a freaking Coup d' Etat against President Trump. We are nowhere near a Constitutional Republic anymore. America is now pure power politics. The only thing that matters now is Who/Whom. It's sad and tragic but the Left was going to do this to us but they forgot to do enough voter fraud. Sadly this is how America is now. Deal with it and get over it.

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 11:45 PM  

Koanic wrote:The USA is the greatest force for global evil since the collapse of Eastern Communism. Its hypocritical anti-Biblical laws hold no moral force.

"The children are free." - Jesus Christ


Aren't you glad the God-Emperor is determined to change that?

Look, we know you don't like Trump. But there is one thing you can trust... His Arrogance.

He is bound and determined to go down as the greatest president that ever lived. His Ego will allow nothing less. Don't trust him, trust the cage of his personal Ego that forces his hand.

Blogger LES December 21, 2017 11:46 PM  

To be selectively enforced. Against Iran and not Israel.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2017 11:48 PM  

Jeffrey Johnson wrote:You guys saying, "muh Constitution and illegal seizure" you guys don't get it. The Deep State literally tried to pull a freaking Coup d' Etat against President Trump. We are nowhere near a Constitutional Republic anymore. America is now pure power politics. The only thing that matters now is Who/Whom. It's sad and tragic but the Left was going to do this to us but they forgot to do enough voter fraud. Sadly this is how America is now. Deal with it and get over it.

Sadly indeed. We must never allow the left to seize power - not even dog catcher.

Anonymous Charlie Harvey Weinstein December 21, 2017 11:49 PM  

Wait. Did someone mention this?

http://antimatrix.org/Convert/jewish_sacrifice.html

I guess someone wants to call it a libel!

Blogger Bobiojimbo December 21, 2017 11:51 PM  

I read a little bit of that article about Schmidt resigning, and talked alot about how he loves the science. All I could hear in my head was Diversity & Comics, "Cuz SJWs just wuv da science!"

Blogger Dire Badger December 21, 2017 11:54 PM  

here's the thing.

This act would set the lefties so atwitter that the rees would go hypersonic...

Except that most leftists are too stupid to understand what it means.

That's okay, I am sure that the media will spin it so that lefties everywhere have heart attacks. They are always happy to 'interpret' plain-language statement to mean something that they do not.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 21, 2017 11:54 PM  

Some of us reject the Ring of Power.

Let me suggest one small change to the setup in Lord of the Rings and tell me how it changes the decision making.

What if you couldn't destroy the One Ring. What if the fires of Mt. Doom just made the writing glow a little brighter? What if the ring was going to last as along as there were creatures who could wear it?

Would you still reject it?

Blogger Koanic December 22, 2017 12:02 AM  

> Look, we know you don't like Trump.

You know wrong.

And making the Empire last longer does no favors for the imperial gene pool.

Blogger wrf3 December 22, 2017 12:03 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:Would you still reject it?
Sure. There are some situations where the only winning move is to not play the game.

Do you think that you would be the one who could resist the corrupting nature of the Ring?

Blogger Dos Voltz December 22, 2017 12:09 AM  

Best place to hide a tree is in a forest.

Best way to hide your pedo ring is to call it a "Children's Relief" charity or "Children's Rescue Mission," and have it fronted by same really good rep organization like the Red Cross.

See HRC's efforts in Haiti, as a recent example.

Anonymous FP December 22, 2017 12:23 AM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:The sword is double edged. It may, nay, will swing the other way.

I am well aware of the Constitutional situation ... since Geo. Washington put down a little "rebellion" and the 1st Congress began the debates/spending on internal improvements. Heck, since the ConCon con.

It does not mean we adopt all of the means employed by the enemy. Otherwise, what's the use of we keep perpetuating the usurpations?


Inter arma enim silent leges.

Blogger modsquad December 22, 2017 12:30 AM  

tuberman wrote:BTW, The Feminist Cabals are huge in the Satanist power structure. How the H*ll did the likes of Pocahontas get so much power and influence. She is a Lesbo, and will not even talk to most males. Even many of the married women in the DC elites are actually Dykes, and part of this cabal using there husbands to hide behind. They are the biggest of the child trafficers, and snuff film promoters, and a number of Right Wing women are working on outing them. HRC was only the forth most powerful on a list of 100. Jane Fonda was on that list as 20th.

Would Diana Jenkins be #1 on that list?

Blogger tuberman December 22, 2017 12:30 AM  

Koanic wrote:> Look, we know you don't like Trump.

You know wrong.

And making the Empire last longer does no favors for the imperial gene pool.


The pawns without elite support will be weak, and a few adjustments will have many going home. Cut off the freebies, and charge fees for sending money back home, and millions will return home. I think some of this will happen in a year or two.

I really believe Trump will cut way down on these people, and he will do it by his stealth methods first, them more direct. Sessions is already getting rid of the MS13, and the Wall will go up, and it is to be see-through.

Do you really think he's not going to crack down on the various Hispanic groups as they are seditious. He can use Blacks as a ligit reason to crack down on these people heavily. I also know from much checking that there is a plan to investigate most of the Black leaders keeping the Black population in slavery to the Left, using all their lies. This does not need to be completely effective. Imagine his team having the goods to put away a number of these "Black Leaders" doing the work for the Left, and they are offered a Deal... spill the beans clearly and completely to other Blacks, or go directly to jail. It helps that it is all true.

Blogger Dire Badger December 22, 2017 12:31 AM  

Koanic wrote:> Look, we know you don't like Trump.

You know wrong.

And making the Empire last longer does no favors for the imperial gene pool.


There are lots of ways to end an Empire. Killing the Deep State is one of them.

An Empire's death and rebirth does not HAVE to be violent or even that noticeable... It simply requires that the game changes completely.

When the Mandate of heaven passed in China, sometimes people as close as Zigong never noticed it until they got new paperwork with new Imperial names.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 22, 2017 12:34 AM  

This could be related to DACA negotiations, migrant and drug smuggling and of course payola to traitors

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 12:44 AM  

Projection.

We don't believe in your fantasy. We exist in objective reality.

So we don't need your fantasy to win.

And now we are organizing against you.

Pure projection. If you are going to compete in this future you need to know it.

Blogger tublecane December 22, 2017 12:46 AM  

@36-That sounds more like Law #3 than Law #2.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 12:47 AM  

They project it to everyone, though.

Is there really a way for us to get organized?

In some ways I doubt it. We don't have the mentality for it.

Individualist winners vs collectivist losers?

Yes. And who will win?

Will we be as the ants? As the bees?

Or something greater?

Who knows

Blogger Koanic December 22, 2017 12:47 AM  

Donald Trump is going to falter and die, Great Depression 2.0 = WW3, and North America is due for a blood tsunami, sure as Yellowstone Caldera. I hope the God Emperor manages to keep the Internet on and the nukes in the silos, but if not, so be it.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 12:49 AM  

I've greatly enjoyed his novels.

His, and our, weakness, which must be recognized, is also our greatest strength.

Swarm bee. Swarm. I'll defeat you by myself, without you ever even seeing it.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 12:50 AM  

Chris you are projecting again.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 22, 2017 12:52 AM  

Yes.
I would have sided with Franco and Pinochet

Unless Franco seized Commies' assets. Which he did, btw, as did Pinochet.
So no, you wouldn't.

"Guns are intrinsically immoral"
No, they are not.

That whistling sound was the point going by, about 10 feet over your head.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 12:54 AM  

Chris buddy. I'll tell you a secret.

Winners? They always win. Even if you create your bee hive, your ant colony, you will just be a slave.

Losers? Why? You always lose.

C'est la vie.

Which side do you want to be on?

If you want, nay 🤗, need, a king? Or a queen? Why here we are.

Or? Allow free expression? Freedom?

Why, for you? You'll lose either way. I'll win either way. Lol. God it's just too funny. And you are so far away from the truth, from reality. But please go find someone else to follow. Surely they aren't also busy trying to find someone else to follow.

Lol lol

Blogger tublecane December 22, 2017 12:57 AM  

@83-To be fair, we shouldn't adopt ALL of their methods. I condone throat-slitting and even firebombing innocents if it comes to that. But I won't pimp kidnapped children for purposes of blackmail. And I don't want to associate with those who would.

We're worlds away from facilitating kiddie-rape, however. I don't need to worry about being as bad as them for some time.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 12:59 AM  

Oh is it "problematic" to you?

Why we surely will fall in line.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 1:00 AM  

The shills are out hard, and seemingly without a narrative.

Strange.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 1:02 AM  

The modern delusion that banditry has stopped.

Very small among the modern delusions.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 1:03 AM  

God why can't we have better trolls?

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 1:03 AM  

Dear God I meant.

Blogger Snowdens Jacket December 22, 2017 1:04 AM  

Which type of bandits do we want is the real question.

Blogger rumpole5 December 22, 2017 1:06 AM  

Whoa! Just... Whoa! You surely do get up early.

Blogger tublecane December 22, 2017 1:07 AM  

@11-A Man for All Seasons had one of the stupidest lines ever. When St. Thomas More is arguing with a headstrong young lawyer or law student (I forget which), the latter advocates throwing away all legal restraint in going after the devil. Then More says what about when the Devil turns on you? Wouldn't you want the law to protect you from him?

Hello! In what world does the Devil allow himself to be subject to man-made laws?

Blogger tublecane December 22, 2017 1:17 AM  

@138-Bills of attainder must specify persons or groups, which this doesn't.

Of course property can be confiscated withoit due process. Have you never heard of civil forfeiture? It's LE's bread and butter.

Blogger tublecane December 22, 2017 1:25 AM  

@153-There remains a problem with the One Ring metaphor, in that though it gives human bearers certain advantages, it has only one master. None but Sauron can use it to rule the world. So there remains a rationale in rejecting it even if it can't be destroyed.

You can always keep losing it. Sauron played the long game, of course. But it was lost for a really long time.

Blogger Rashadjin December 22, 2017 1:35 AM  

@167 Snidely Whiplash

And we all had a good laugh as the point when whistling by, about 10 feet over their head. Much appreciated.

I'm trying to figure JaimeInTexas out. My answer thus far: Calvinist.

Which puts a weird twist to the initial impression of 'person who says they're on your team but are not on your team (often for propaganda purposes)'.

Anonymous Bob December 22, 2017 1:53 AM  

I have a question, if the jurisdiction is outside of the US and the actors are non-citizens, just what court is able to claim this venue if it is disputed? In fact, isn't an EO the way that Presidents are supposed to deal with rogue actors without violating the war powers act?

GEOTUS should get a thumbs up for protecting the constitution by following the constitution. This isn't a bill of attainder it's a letter of marque.

Anonymous Just another commenter December 22, 2017 2:01 AM  

@181 - Letter of Marque? That's an interesting way to look at it. Maybe so. IANAL and all that, but if so, I'm cool with that method of going after our international enemies who are non-state actors. I'm not sure what the proper constitutional procedures are for such action - it's an Article 1 Sec 8 thing, and he IS the C-in-C.

Anonymous simplytimothy December 22, 2017 2:13 AM  

Trump got his win against/with Congress under his belt and is now moving quickly. The GOPe probably thought they would get a rest and a time to regroup.

Love it.

Anonymous Bob December 22, 2017 2:15 AM  

I don't claim any special knowledge and my question was genuine, honestly wouldn't congress itself be the one to challenge an EO, as opposed to some ACLU plaintiff in a hawaiian JPs office?

This EO isn't saying tinpot dictators will be shot on site, this is saying any of their assets coming under US control will be frozen.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 22, 2017 2:16 AM  

"Helicopter or Trebuchet?"

Obviously trebuchet. It's vastly cheaper, more efficient, can be built and upkept with minimal knowledge.

...It can also be used to launch into cities, to really get Pestilence up and running where he's needed most.

"The biggest seizure of land was the Estate Tax"

If that's first, annual property taxes are right on its heels, even by roundabout means.

"Seems like "a bill of attainder", which is unconstitutional.

You cannot just take folks property without due process"


The constitution is largely irrelevant to reality, and property is already taken all the flipping time without due process, just ask the police forces who are only the tip of that iceberg.

It's already happening, so I want the biggest hammer of it that can possibly be wielded firmly in the hands of my allies.

"What if you couldn't destroy the One Ring. What if the fires of Mt. Doom just made the writing glow a little brighter? What if the ring was going to last as along as there were creatures who could wear it?"

First off, you're responding to an ironic puppet, just look at the commenter name.

Second, your analogy isn't any better. You'd also need to add that use of the One Ring didn't necessarily corrupt, and was fundamentally an instrumental rather than moral action, usable for either good or evil.

"Do you think that you would be the one who could resist the corrupting nature of the Ring?"

The "ring" you guys are analogically referring to does not have an intrinsic corruptive nature any more than do breathing or eating.

Blogger Sherwood family December 22, 2017 2:29 AM  

FYI: Per Global Magnitsky: this is just the first tranche of names. We've been involved in working more up and the second tranche is going to dip down a little further.

However, the methodology being used is likely to keep a lot of big names off for strategic reasons. For now. But...if the whole UN thing really gets going and funding for foreign assistance gets cut then a lot of cooperation that that funding is currently facilitating is going to disappear. And if that is the case there will be no reason to keep bigger fish who have strategic value for now off of the list. Should be interesting to see, to say the least.

Which means: GEOTUS is using this to get bad people now because it allows him to seize the assets of any of their financial transactions that involve the U.S. More importantly, it is a stick for keeping other bad actors in line as it is so far reaching that GEOTUS can make economic war on individuals globally.

It is a potent tool and if he uses it right will enable him to collect a lot of cash and kick a whole bunch of scummy people right in the crotch.

Blogger Dire Badger December 22, 2017 2:49 AM  

Rashadjin wrote:@167 Snidely Whiplash

And we all had a good laugh as the point when whistling by, about 10 feet over their head. Much appreciated.

I'm trying to figure JaimeInTexas out. My answer thus far: Calvinist.

Which puts a weird twist to the initial impression of 'person who says they're on your team but are not on your team (often for propaganda purposes)'.


That's why we don't have a "Team".

What we have are a lot of people that have puzzled out the red pill on their own... We have many, many people going in the same direction. We help each other while we are all heading in the same direction, and are willing to be allies as long as we have the same goals, but everyone has pieces of the puzzle... and many times we have different pieces.

This guy's pro-life, that guy's antivacc, This one is an Atheist, That one's a monarchist...

We are not a 'team', which means the first thing we look for in others is, not where we are alike, but upon what we differ. We CHOOSE to follow the same path for our core values, but we almost always recognize when someone does NOT have those core values, because we EXPECT differences of opinion, and when someone seems to agree with everything everyone says at first, we can tell that something is 'off'.

It makes us bloody hard to infiltrate, and bloody hard to trap, even if it doesn't make us as usefully singleminded as useful idiots.

Every one of us here KNOWS that the saboteurs and provocateurs are watching our every word... so while we may hint at our willingness to see certain things come to pass, we always know that anyone that seems TOO helpful and too... pushy for the 'next logical (illegal) step' is there to entrap us.

Our intelligence and caution must drive the jerks trying to get a 'conspiracy group bust' kudo and promotion from their leftist overlords absolutely CRAZY. We simply refuse to do anything stupid and illegal.

Blogger tublecane December 22, 2017 2:49 AM  

@185-The One Ring does physically corrupt people. It doesn't necessarily corrupt people morally, though basically everyone who gets near it succumbs to its temptations to some degree. But that's on them.

There's one sense in which it does necessarily corrupt. The ring wants to get back to its master, and it contrives to do so by manipulating its bearers against their will.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 22, 2017 2:51 AM  

So like.
First you freeze any assets the US has power over or who our allies agree we have power over.
Then it goes to court.
Then you take the assets.

And unlike any number of Obama executive orders I could mention, this executive order clearly states exactly what laws provide the power to perform the action and how.

Those as get their assets frozen are welcome to hire a lawyer with their non-frozen assets and fight it in court. I'm sure that will be a winning move if there weren't already pedo-pictures with all of them on Jeffrey Epstein's Fantasy Island.

Blogger Sherwood family December 22, 2017 2:56 AM  

Lots of assets there for the seizing. The little fish get eaten by bigger fish. They get eaten by even bigger fish. Those get eaten by sharks. The GEOTUS is a megalodon that is going to eat up all the other sharks and fish who thought they had somehow escaped its notice.

Anonymous JAG December 22, 2017 3:43 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Jeffrey Johnson wrote:You guys saying, "muh Constitution and illegal seizure" you guys don't get it. The Deep State literally tried to pull a freaking Coup d' Etat against President Trump. We are nowhere near a Constitutional Republic anymore. America is now pure power politics. The only thing that matters now is Who/Whom. It's sad and tragic but the Left was going to do this to us but they forgot to do enough voter fraud. Sadly this is how America is now. Deal with it and get over it.

Sadly indeed. We must never allow the left to seize power - not even dog catcher.


The way they've acted since losing the POTUS election tells me they intend to go full fascist should they ever get power again. And they are going to cheat big time no matter how brazen it looks. We know we can't count on conservatives and RINOs to do anything but roll over for the left. Be ready should that day come, because next time they have a shot, the left is going full Mao.

Anonymous Phil O'Sophy December 22, 2017 4:02 AM  

The Reuters article about the departure of Eric Schmidt from Alphabet/Google is headlined...

"Alphabet’s Eric Schmidt sails off before the STORM"

https://in.reuters.com/article/us-alphabet-chairman-breakingviews/breakingviews-alphabets-eric-schmidt-sails-off-before-the-storm-idINKBN1EG098

Anonymous Zest Account December 22, 2017 4:17 AM  

Something from 2009:

Google CEO Eric Schmidt Dismisses the Importance of Privacy


Yesterday, the web was buzzing with commentary about Google CEO Eric Schmidt's dangerous, dismissive response to concerns about search engine users' privacy. When asked during an interview for CNBC's recent "Inside the Mind of Google" special about whether users should be sharing information with Google as if it were a "trusted friend," Schmidt responded, "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/google-ceo-eric-schmidt-dismisses-privacy

Blogger FrankNorman December 22, 2017 4:41 AM  

153. Jack Amok December 21, 2017 11:54 PM

Some of us reject the Ring of Power.

Let me suggest one small change to the setup in Lord of the Rings and tell me how it changes the decision making.

What if you couldn't destroy the One Ring. What if the fires of Mt. Doom just made the writing glow a little brighter? What if the ring was going to last as along as there were creatures who could wear it?

Would you still reject it?


Yes. Because becoming the Ringlord yourself really means Sauron ruling the world from inside you.
Someone else taking the Ring means Sauron ruling the world, but you have a chance to hide or resist. Lots of people did, back during the Second Age. And eventually Sauron was defeated and his ring of power taken from him.

The winning move if you have the Ring in that scenario is not to try to wield it yourself, but to find a way to prevent anyone from using it.
Dropping it into the ocean, for example, would kick the can down the road for a good long way.

Not that this has anything to do with modern politics in the Age of Man.

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