Sunday, December 17, 2017

Supreme and superior

I wonder to whomever they might be referring?
The “User Reviews” sections of Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic and The Internet Movie Database – all of which let users leave scored reviews regardless of credentials or official status on the web – are uniformly on the more mixed side as the film enters its second day of release, marking the widest disparity between critic and “audience” scores for a Star Wars movie in Tomatoes’ history in particular. Granted, the film has proven more divisive among many fans than the previous installment, with unexpected character turns and further cementing of the push for a younger, more diverse cast of new generation heroes – but this level of disparity has raised eyebrows.

Accusations of such activity are currently being leveled on social media by culture-commentators like activist Peter Coffin, who compared the proliferation of anonymous reviews name-checking the same set of points repeatedly (references to “forced diversity” and “SJWs” abound) to more explicitly politically-motivated “brigading” attacks from earlier in the year related to elections and social movements. The deeper recesses of Reddit and 4chan are indeed littered with threads in which enraged “ex”-fans organize campaigns in an attempt to control the narrative and create a situation wherein the idea of the new Star Wars Trilogy as “poorly received” can overtake the reality of its reception in the public discourse.

The term “Sad Puppies” has been raised, a reference to a collective of right-wing fiction writers who gained fame by manipulating the Hugo Awards several years back, along with the GamerGate and ComicsGate social-media movements. Some point to the aforementioned politically-tinged reviews as evidence of motive, while others allege that some of the brigading has been conducted by fans of Justice League seeking revenge on the critical press for its negative reviews. Also posited is that this comes from anti-corporate activists who see the recent acquisition of 20th Century Fox by Disney as the rise of a dangerous monopoly.
Let's see: Sad Puppies. GamerGate. ComicsGate. Now, who do we know was involved in all of those things.... The sad thing is that I now officially make for a better Dark Lord than anything in the current Disney SJWStar Wars mythos.

Man, they are NOT going to know what hit them when Alt★Hero comes out.

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Blogger S1AL December 17, 2017 7:37 PM  

The animated trailers for 'The Old Republic' make for more compelling stories than most of what I've seen from Star Wars since the original trilogy.

Costs a lot less, too.

Anonymous Mace Dindu December 17, 2017 7:40 PM  

Deadline has an article up questioning the validity of the low RT and Metacritic audience scores, since the movie got an A CinemaScore. They're claiming it might be bots (perhaps... RUSSIAN bots?).

Blogger Ahärôwn December 17, 2017 7:41 PM  

S1AL wrote:The animated trailers for 'The Old Republic' make for more compelling stories than most of what I've seen from Star Wars since the original trilogy.

Costs a lot less, too.

Indeed. As was mentioned on the other thread, many noted the various SW computer games had much better plots, even surpassing the OT.

Blogger Chris Lutz December 17, 2017 7:46 PM  

No dissent must be allowed because everyone must believe the film is fantastic.

Blogger Cloudbuster December 17, 2017 7:58 PM  

Granted, the film has proven more divisive among many fans than the previous installment, with unexpected character turns and further cementing of the push for a younger, more diverse cast of new generation heroes – but this level of disparity has raised eyebrows.

I think it's already quite obvious that none of the new characters will have the iconic staying power of Luke, Han, Leia, Obi-Wan, Darth Vader, Palpatine, Yoda, or even Lando Calrissian and the most famous of all walk-ons, Boba Fett.

At this remove from Force Awakens, I can't remember a single memorable line from the movie except Po doing his Tony Stark impression when first captured by Kylo Ren, and that only for it's incongruity.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 17, 2017 8:01 PM  

There was a bigger disparity between the audience and the critics for Justice League.

I don't recall any SJW bitching back then

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 17, 2017 8:03 PM  

They can look for scapegoats all they want, there's no profit in that though. They have to do the tough thing and understand what they have done. They won't -- they'll double down.

Fact is, a fanbase naturally tends to stay loyal. They're the FANS, after all. And they will forgive missteps, too, as long as hope remains that a return to greatness is possible.

Continuing to push out garbage will make them gripe and seethe, yes. But then something worse happens, they stop showing up altogether. Star Wars: how to produce apathy from mania, in five parts.

Anonymous trev006 December 17, 2017 8:05 PM  

The KOTOR games are better than any of the AAA titles Bioware has put out since Mass Effect 2. A KOTOR 3 would probably make The Last Jedi look like Monster Hunter International in terms of convergence, as lesbian levitation would obviously take precedence over phallic lightsabers.

Blogger Chris Lutz December 17, 2017 8:08 PM  

@5 Lando Calrissian would be black, cardboard character if written today. He would be utterly pure, stereotypically black, and absolutely boring. In ESB, he's a character with a backstory. He's not perfect. He is actually interesting.

Blogger The Observer December 17, 2017 8:09 PM  

At this point, it's hard to tell whether they're paid shills, or true believers. Probably a mix of both. The gamma/womanish tendency emerges once more - it's much better on the ego to believe in a vast right-wing conspiracy than just admit that your film is bad.

Man, they are NOT going to know what hit them when Alt★Hero comes out.

This is doubly so when most of them believe that since there has been no big news for a while, the project has faded into obscurity. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them believed the Supreme Dark Lord absconded with the money.

Probably won't have to wait for the comics to release to have some fun, though - I imagine the website should be enough to send their heads spinning.

Blogger cheddarman December 17, 2017 8:13 PM  

Darth Day...I think it will have maximum REEEEEEEE-inducing effect.

Blogger Chris Lutz December 17, 2017 8:14 PM  

@7 Let's look at the trajectory with Disney Wars:

TFA: retread of old movies led by Mary Sue. Boring but not horrible.
RO: War of the Accents. Reworked to make the last 30 minutes decent action wise. Otherwise it was forgettable.
TLJ: Learns nothing from TFA and goes full SJW.
Han Solo: It's already been significantly reshot with a different director. I don't think it loses money, but it won't earn much.

Anonymous Steve December 17, 2017 8:17 PM  

which let users leave scored reviews regardless of credentials or official status on the web

Do you even HAVE a blue check mark, bigots?

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook December 17, 2017 8:19 PM  

The Mouse must bleed for what he hath wrought. And by bleed I mean hemorrhage ludicrous amounts of money.

Blogger Johnny December 17, 2017 8:20 PM  

I take the reviews to be the power of Disney. Nobody wants to cross them. And bet ya if money is changing hands it is done in a way that could not be proven to be a payoff. More likely really is that it is a mix who gets favored treatment, who gets hired, and who gets kept on. What it looks like is that Disney owns the process now, at least in their own market.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 17, 2017 8:20 PM  

Granted, the film has proven more divisive among many fans than the previous installment...

Yeah, this was the Star Wars that was so bad the audience finally noticed.

I am really curious as to what the second weekend's box-office take will be.

The Force Awakens made two billion world wide.

Rouge One made one billion.

Both had budgets in the 200 million plus range, no reason to think Last Jedi will be any different.

There has to be some panicking going on in Fort Mickey over the audience numbers. If it's a 40% dropoff then they are fine. But if it's in the seventy percent range... Well they will still make a profit but it's going to be pretty obvious that the Golden Goose is off-lay.

And if that's the case what happens when the expensive but wanted by no one "Solo" comes out?

Anonymous rusty fife December 17, 2017 8:26 PM  

Is this a good place to propose an AltHero character?

How about The Blue Falcon? He can be an hero modeled on Kerry, McCain, Bergdahl, and Manning.

Talks a lot of trash about his heroism, blows up own ammo dumps, and throws his medals at the enemy as an ineffective "weapon".

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) December 17, 2017 8:46 PM  

Would Alt*Hero be eligible for DragonCon next year?

Anonymous Steve December 17, 2017 8:49 PM  

Let's look at the trajectory with Disney Wars:

2019: The Return Of The #Resistance
2020: Porgs Take Manhattan
2021: Untitled Mon Mothma Movie
2022: Brokeback Bespin
2023: Rose Tico's Big Fat Space Wedding
2024: The Sarlaac Story
2025: Don't Be A Menace To Tatooine While Drinking Your Blue Milk In The Hood
2026: Aunt Beru Does Dagobah
2027: Weekend At Wampa's

Blogger Wolfman at Large December 17, 2017 9:02 PM  

Just begun the Soy Wars have.

Anonymous TheBoom December 17, 2017 9:07 PM  

The release for 2020 has been announced and it is "Trigger Warning" not Porgs take Manhattan. 2021 is NAMBLA does Manhattan

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club December 17, 2017 9:08 PM  

The good ol' "Only God can judge me!" self-defensive delusion: all praise is pure, unbiased and unassailable truth, while any criticism can only be the nefarious machinations of some sinister cabal of irrational "haters".

Anonymous grey enlightenment December 17, 2017 9:13 PM  

the upcoming weeks will give a better picture of the accuracy/prescience of the user reviews. If there is a huge drop-off, then Disney likely has a turd on their hands, but overseas sales and merchandising ensures they cannot lose money no matter how bad it is. the only thing I agree with the left on is Disney is consumerist crap.

Blogger dtungsten December 17, 2017 9:23 PM  

I have a friend that's taking his family to see it tomorrow. He told me another friend of ours loved it. I warned him to expect the worst, so at least he won't be disappointed. I told him not going to see it in the theater, but I will probably "rent" it later. Judging by the stuff I've read, I'm not going to like it, but a few things sound interesting.

The reaction is very much mixed among long time fans - most either love it or hate it. Very few in the middle but some are.

I guess that doesn't really add much to the discussion, but I had to get that off my chest.

As a long time fan, I'm strangely enjoying the negative reactions. Much like Palpatine saying, "Give in to your hate."

Blogger James Dixon December 17, 2017 9:24 PM  

> I wonder to whomever they might be referring?

It is indeed a mystery. The world may never know.

Blogger Cecil Henry December 17, 2017 9:29 PM  

We must secure the existence of The Force and a future for Jedi children.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker December 17, 2017 9:40 PM  

Red Box. I can wait.

Blogger Jevaughn Brown December 17, 2017 9:51 PM  

Do not be misled: Vox Day is not merely "a" Dark Lord - he is the *Supreme* Dark Lord... :-)

I'm looking forward over the next decade to the un-Hollywood-inflated real cost of world-class CGI and movie production to plummet enough to allow for Alt*Hero TV shows and movies.

But not just Alt*Hero - Imagine the day when the sea of great novels out there selling like gangbusters can start being made into good movies instead of being left hanging because of the vision-less hacks of Hollyweird.

Blogger tz December 17, 2017 9:54 PM  

Speaking of comics, it's Marvelous to identify as Japanese especially to write Thor

Anonymous CPEG December 17, 2017 9:55 PM  

Did you ever hear of Darth Day? I thought not. It's not a story the cuckservatives would tell you.

Blogger Clay, Bill Clay December 17, 2017 10:07 PM  

Nice catch. So true.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 17, 2017 10:25 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Yeah, this was the Star Wars that was so bad the audience finally noticed.
Phuk, man, we noticed that when the hopeful TESB was followed up with phukin Ewok.  Done with it raht thehr.

There has to be some panicking going on in Fort Mickey over the audience numbers.
Only those who aren't done with it GAF.  Too many are.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 17, 2017 10:31 PM  

At the conclusion of the conference, a tribute to Comrade Stalin was called for. Of course, everyone stood up (just as everyone had leaped to his feet during the conference at every mention of his name). … For three minutes, four minutes, five minutes, the stormy applause, rising to an ovation, continued. But palms were getting sore and raised arms were already aching. … However, who would dare to be the first to stop? … After all, NKVD men were standing in the hall applauding and watching to see who would quit first! And in the obscure, small hall, unknown to the leader, the applause went on - six, seven, eight minutes! … They couldn’t stop now till they collapsed with heart attacks! …

The director of the local paper factory, an independent and strong-minded man, stood with the presidium. Aware of all the falsity and all the impossibility of the situation, he still kept on applauding! Nine minutes! Ten! In anguish he watched the secretary of the District Party Committee, but the latter dared not stop. Insanity! To the last man! With make-believe enthusiasm on their faces, looking at each other with faint hope, the district leaders were just going to go on and on applauding till they fell where they stood, till they were carried out of the hall on stretchers! Then, after eleven minutes, the director of the paper factory assumed a businesslike expression and sat down in his seat. And, oh, a miracle took place! Where had the universal, uninhibited, indescribable enthusiasm gone? To a man, everyone else stopped dead and sat down. They had been saved!
… That same night the factory director was arrested. They easily pasted ten years on him on the pretext of something quite different. But after he had signed Form 206, the final document of the interrogation, his interrogator reminded him: "Don’t ever be the first to stop applauding."
-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

Why can't you zeks remember the simple directive from your Pedowood overlords - "Don’t ever be the first to stop applauding."?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 17, 2017 10:39 PM  

I waited until they were on Netflix to see the force awakens and rogue one. I don't think any new ones go to Netflix, I think they're going to the new Disney channel.

So unless they show up on demand for free I'll probably miss them. Not really miss. I wouldn't have paid for either but rogue one wasn't bad.

When Castalia Films makes Nick Cole's Galaxy Edge books into movies nobody will remember any Star wars but the original trilogy.

Blogger NorthOfTheOneOhOne December 17, 2017 11:08 PM  

A quick perusal of the RT review page also shows a large number of 1 and 2 line 5 star reviews. While it's possible that there are disgruntled fans that have organized against the film, I suspect that there is also a move by either SJW fans, the Mouse, or the producers to skew the rating in the opposite direction. The quoted article seems to be at best a case of SJW projection or an attempt to deflect suspicion.

Anonymous Cracton. December 17, 2017 11:18 PM  

"Man, they are NOT going to know what hit them when Alt★Hero comes out."

Alt Hero has no audience. Pitiful sales and laughter is about to ensue.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira December 17, 2017 11:19 PM  

Can't wait to see what effect Alt Hero has on the culture.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum December 17, 2017 11:29 PM  

Alt Hero has no audience.

Alt★Hero already has a significant paid audience. Watch it grow by leaps and bounds when the books are actually available

Blogger LP9 December 17, 2017 11:34 PM  

The triggering will be immense, wonderful; I am thrilled for Alt Hero.

Anonymous Killua December 17, 2017 11:52 PM  

"Alt Hero has no audience"

Funny how a project with no audience managed to get 250.000 in funding.

I'm sure Alt Hero will be huge! Thank you for this Vox.

Blogger Doomfinger December 18, 2017 12:02 AM  

"Darth Day...I think it will have maximum REEEEEEEE-inducing effect."

Execute order Sexy Sax!

Anonymous WaterBoy December 18, 2017 12:14 AM  

Wait, wait, wait...y'all are missing the Superversive aspect in all this.

Consider the Diverse main characters:

Vice Admiral Holdo (female): Leads the Rebels on a futile escape effort, neglects to inform her underlings of the escape plan, commits suicide in a last-ditch effort to delay the inevitable.

Poe Dameron (male POC): Insubordinate hothead who permits an ineffectual effort to go forward, leading a mutiny in support of this plan.

Finn (male POC) & Rose Tico (female POC): Incompetent pair who fail to accomplish their side-mission, securing instead the services of an unknown conman who ultimately betrays them. One of them even prevents the other from knocking out the weapon that eventually cracks open the rebels refuge.

DJ (male POC): Double-crossing con man in it only for himself.

Rey (female): Helps Kylo Ren ascend to the leadership of the First Order in a misguided attempt to "save him".

Captain Phasma (female): Fails to exterminate her prisoners, "dies" in a fiery inferno.

White Male main characters:

Luke Skywalker: Prevents the destruction of the few remaining rebels and allows them to escape.

Kylo Ren: Prevented from eliminating the rebel threat, but slays Snoke and ascends to the leadership of the First Order.


By portraying all the women/POC main characters as bumbling, incompetent fools, and all the success on the white men, they are really fighting back against SJW culture.

[Whew, that was some strong scotch. Time to go sleep it off.]

Blogger The Observer December 18, 2017 12:23 AM  

Alt Hero has no audience. Pitiful sales and laughter is about to ensue.

"Reagan can't have won! No one I know of voted for Reagan! It's not possible!"

Blogger tuberman December 18, 2017 12:24 AM  

The very next phase Alt*Hero, so more WINNING!

Blogger Akulkis December 18, 2017 12:29 AM  

Now you are truly Darth Vox.

Blogger Akulkis December 18, 2017 12:34 AM  

How much does anyone want to bet that theutterly despicable characters on he Big Bang Theory are shown all coming back from this festeri g pail of slop, raving about how great it was?

Anonymous JAG December 18, 2017 12:39 AM  

The critics are, to a person, leftists. There may be a unicorn among the bunch, but they would need to be pointed out.

The true nature of the leftist is contrarian. As such, we can now use the critics as a perfect negative indicator much like Paul Krugman financial advice, or the names Democrats give to their Bills in congress. The higher the critics' meta score, the more likely the movie is SJW dog shit.

Anonymous JAG December 18, 2017 12:44 AM  

Cracton. wrote:Pitiful sales and laughter is about to ensue.

Like what Marvel is experiencing right now?

Blogger Bobiojimbo December 18, 2017 1:01 AM  

Darth Vox sounds a bit better, personally. 😋

Anonymous joke10 December 18, 2017 1:42 AM  

I haven't watched the movie, and I'm not going to because Disney, but Diversity and Comics liked it, and the audience ratings are high for movies like The Dark Knight's retarded sister, The Dark Knight Flops, so I don't really know if I trust them. At the end of the day, I am not going to pass it off as a terrible movie, but I'm also not gonna pay for it.

Blogger Akulkis December 18, 2017 3:01 AM  

@Rusty Fife

Blue Falcon sounds priceless as a character. Also, he tattles on his team-mates to the authorities.

Blogger Akulkis December 18, 2017 3:08 AM  

The hacks in Hollywood all have a vision -- "To take a great story, and use it as an axe to damage American and Christian cultural values"

Anonymous Handsome Carl December 18, 2017 3:43 AM  

In this current climate, how long before JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson, and even George Lucas are accused of sexual harrassment and worse?

Anonymous FILM CRIT NARC December 18, 2017 4:26 AM  

Meanwhile, pathetic wannabe guru Film Crit Hulk (real name Michael Gordon Symonds, who wrote an anti-Gamergate article back in the day that was a masterpiece of spite and brazen attempts at gaslighting) pleads with his readers to believe that what they've done to Star Wars by 'refocusing' (by 'refocusing', he means 'shitting on') it is beautiful, just beautiful --

Blogger Lovekraft December 18, 2017 5:48 AM  

Pure projection. The SJWs are imposing their ideology and interpretation, but are pointing to the alt-right as the ones doing this.

Blogger Lovekraft December 18, 2017 5:51 AM  

@42 Waterboy:

And I often wonder when we will see the follow-up movie, where this grand goal of defeating the oppressor is obtained and the dirty task of running a society is on the hands of these 'heroes'. Similar to Thor Ragnarok. I want to see, in say ten years, who is in charge, how much equality and justice is achieved etc.

I have a suspicion this is not part of the left's thinking as they are primarily a destructive force. Or that they are content with the populace being led by hippies/Sanders.

Blogger Francis The Pope December 18, 2017 5:57 AM  

This is similar to the new Ghostbustsers divergence between critics and the rest.
It's not as much but big enough to see that critics clearly operate in a common hive mind when it comes to movies that are overt SJW propaganda.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer December 18, 2017 7:35 AM  

Francis The Pope wrote:This is similar to the new Ghostbustsers divergence between critics and the rest.

It's not as much but big enough to see that critics clearly operate in a common hive mind when it comes to movies that are overt SJW propaganda.

Makes you wish there was a shitlord Hollywood producer out there to craft a movie that maximizes SJW reviewer ratings while being pure poison to the average viewer. It would be especially funny if they showed screeners and partially completed footage to SJW reviewers to get the studio to pony up ever larger amounts of cash for the project.

Blogger Wolfman at Large December 18, 2017 10:54 AM  

Welcome to #JediGate

Yes you've been here before.

Blogger James Dixon December 18, 2017 11:07 AM  

> Alt Hero has no audience.

Almost A quarter of a million dollars prepaid is "no audience"? We should all wish for such failure.

Anonymous Thales December 18, 2017 12:53 PM  

It's Dragon Age 2 all over again.

Release a shitty product that the critics must nonetheless scramble all over each other to praise nonetheless because Social Justice requires it.

Anonymous Causal Lurker December 18, 2017 6:38 PM  

I felt a sudden, strange sensation. It as as if a large number of VFMs shouted out "OUR LORD IS SUPREMELY DARKEST!", and then noisily chewed a mount of meaty bones.

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