ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2018 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Wednesday, December 27, 2017

The US model is not inevitable

The Chinese model is looking increasingly desirable to third parties as the USA disappears beneath a tide of debt, immigration, and moral degradation:
Anthony Kpandu took a delegation from his party, the Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM), to China last year to train with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Kpandu is in charge of special working groups at the general secretariat for the SPLM, the liberation movement turned government party that helped South Sudan gain independence from Sudan in 2011. Wearing a button that says, “I love SPLM,” a paisley tie, and a loose tan jacket, he reminisces about his trip to China in detail, down to every day’s itinerary.

They visited the Central Party school in Beijing, toured industrial zones, drank various types of green tea, and walked part of the Great Wall. Kpandu’s favorite part was Shanghai, with its glittery commercial district, Pudong, high-speed Maglev train, and sprawling airport. “It was magnificent. You can’t believe it, but it’s there. I’ve never seen anything like it,” he says from his office in Juba.

In the 1970s, China actively tried to export its communist revolution to Africa, one of Beijing’s few diplomatic engagements at the time. Now, Beijing is promoting a more subtle movement: support for China and and its model of development. Instead of relying on Chinese emissaries in African countries, Beijing is bringing thousands of African leaders, bureaucrats, students, and business people to China.

It’s a campaign that achieves several goals at once. The trips help solidify political and business ties between China and its partners on the continent. Like other development partners, China gets to help build capacity in African countries. Most importantly these exchanges cultivate partners on the continent who are more likely to be sympathetic to China and its way of doing things.

China has been hosting these trainings and exchanges in Africa since as far back as the 1950s when it first established diplomatic ties with Egypt. Over the past decade, the trainings have grown in both volume and profile. Kenya’s Jubilee party, created before the country’s contentious election this year, received trainings from the Chinese Communist Party in China. The Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front also takes inspiration from the the CCP while South Africa’s African National Congress regularly attends workshops in China and has modeled some of its party trainings on the CCP.

China is particularly interested in the next generation of African elites. Last year, Beijing announced it would invite 1,000 young African politicians for trainings in China, after hosting more than 200 between 2011 and 2015. Thousands of African students are pursuing undergraduate and graduate degrees in China on scholarship programs funded by Beijing. As of this year, more Anglophone African students study in China than the United States or the United Kingdom, their traditional destinations of choice.
I have to admit, if I was a young African nationalist looking for a successful model to imitate, it certainly wouldn't be either the EU or the USA. Like most empires in decline, Americans don't understand that they are already living in a polity that is well past its peak. They will be lucky if they manage to salvage an American rump state out of it before the 21st century ends.

Labels:

129 Comments:

Blogger Nate December 27, 2017 10:46 AM  

funny how the people scream about the demographic doom of the US and russia ignore the fact that China, demographically much worse off.

China is not the future.

China peaked in 2002.

Turkey, India, and Russia are busy deciding who is going to be the future. Turkey has the manufacturering. India has the population. Russia has the power.

Blogger VD December 27, 2017 10:54 AM  

funny how the people scream about the demographic doom of the US and russia ignore the fact that China, demographically much worse off.

When you have more than a billion people, you can rectify your demographics very, very easily. Especially when you don't care if you let your old people die; it's not like they have to salvage a bankrupt social security system.

Blogger Chris Lutz December 27, 2017 10:58 AM  

India isn't going anywhere. It's the Brazil of the Orient. It's always on the cusp of turning into a first world power and never makes it.

Russia has its own population issues. It is going to be playing more defense of its territory than anything else.

Turkey might inherit a chunk of Europe. Beyond that it is going to end up in a nice three-way war with the Shia's and Sunni's.

We aren't heading towards consolidation. We are heading towards disintegration with each new power attempting to rebuild the glories of the past while the world sinks further into decline.

Blogger TheMaleRei December 27, 2017 11:01 AM  

The ChiComs have the advantage, at a much baser level, of being far more ruthless than the political class that exists in the West.

Blogger S1AL December 27, 2017 11:02 AM  

The biggest issue, which Nate hinted at, is that none of those countries have it all.

And, more importantly, none of them have the unique mix of industriousness and inventiveness and lack of corruption* and resources that drove the American rise.

China doesn't have the inventiveness**.

Russia doesn't have the lack of corruption.

Turkey doesn't have the industriousness or the resources.

India doesn't have... well, India doesn't have a lot of things***.


*By comparison to the average

**This could readily change, but isn't

***This could also readily change, and is starting to do so.

Blogger bw December 27, 2017 11:02 AM  

DRock said China was the desirable model.
Yale and the Starr family (yes that Ken - hint hint)opened up China over a Cent ago.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 11:06 AM  

> China peaked in 2002.

This is what happens when you calculate geopolitical power without reference to La Griffe du Lion's Smart Fraction Theory in the information age.

Blogger bw December 27, 2017 11:06 AM  

With the globalist funded Rockefeller Ecumenical fake churchianity/Marxist/NewAge sh*t to boot.

https://www.google.com/search?q=yale%20starr%20family%20in%20China

Blogger Eric Slate December 27, 2017 11:07 AM  

The ease of China's recovery will be due to the fact that it has a manifest destiny over it's subject peoples, the Uygurs and Tibetans. The USA lost that after the communist infiltration following WW2.

Blogger Timmy3 December 27, 2017 11:08 AM  

Retirement age in China is 50 for private sector employees. That’s way too low. They’ll be around for a long time panhandling or living with their one kid if the other parents don’t mind.

I do find this development interesting. They can’t influence America with their train systems (too much competition) so they go to impoverished nations. They should fix South America too although the illegals will still come to USA.

Blogger Robert Browning December 27, 2017 11:09 AM  

....and yet Chinese people with money want to take their money out of China and put in white western countries. They also want their children to learn English and have American citizenship. So what are they afraid of and why are they more trusting of us than their own kind?

Blogger pyrrhus December 27, 2017 11:11 AM  

Some scientists have pointed out a growing advantage for China--free speech and free inquiry. You can't criticize the government, but other than that, you don't have PC gatekeepers restricting your research or discussions...Yuuuge

Anonymous VFMUltra December 27, 2017 11:20 AM  

it's not like they have to salvage a bankrupt social security system

Bills that cannot be paid, won't be paid. Eventually this country will devour the old to feed the young, and it couldn't happen to a more deserving generation.

Blogger Nate December 27, 2017 11:22 AM  

Not when most of those billion are old and useless

Anonymous BBGKB December 27, 2017 11:24 AM  

No point in China doing outreach to the little people when the Chinese model for Africa is shooting blacks when they go on strike. Just empower the strongmen to shoot them for you. The Chinese are realists, and there are a lot of resources in Africa that the natives are not smart enough to utilize.

"The 5th president of Zambia Michael Sata said "We want the Chinese to leave and the old colonial rulers to return. They exploited our natural recourses too, but at least they took good care of us. They built schools, taught us their language and brought us British civilization. At least western capitalism has a human face; the Chinese are only out to exploit us."

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 11:25 AM  

> So what are they afraid of and why are they more trusting of us than their own kind?

Developing != developed.

China is genuinely developing. No other country can expect comparable growth except post-liberation North Korea.

Blogger James Dixon December 27, 2017 11:29 AM  

It's questionable whether the US model is even workable in societies with rampant corruption, which describes most of the third world.

However, China's debt issues are not negligible either.

Blogger Nate December 27, 2017 11:32 AM  

"India isn't going anywhere. It's the Brazil of the Orient."

Brazil doesn't have an epicly huge population of potential slave labor... and it is not run by a small elite caste of extremely intelligent people.

"Turkey doesn't have the industriousness or the resources."

dude. Turkey's manufacturing has exploded. Jim Rogers mentioned it back in 1994 and everyone thought he was crazy. He mentioned it again in 2003 to the same response. Now... Turkey is quickly taking over whole industries.

China has been all hype. Economically China is to closely linked to the US. Unlike say... Russia.. which has a monopoly on natural gas sales to Europe.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis December 27, 2017 11:34 AM  

It's common knowledge that the Chinese are aiming to replace their aging industrial workforce with robots.

Blogger McChuck December 27, 2017 11:35 AM  

China is all in favor of training up a generation of strong men to rule Africa for them. That way, they have a bunch of pre-trained, willing feudal vassal lords to do their bidding. It's cheaper and easier to get the locals to slaughter each other than to try to do it yourself with an overseas military presence.

Africans can't handle independence and personal responsibility. They can handle corrupt dictatorships. That's why the Chinese model is a good fit for them.

OpenID carldcuck December 27, 2017 11:35 AM  

I bought a Turkish firearm (SAR B6P) and it was garbage. Had to sell it and just get the real thing (CZ75 Compact)

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira December 27, 2017 11:36 AM  

Nonsense. Black, disabled, muslim, refugee, mexican trans-women computer programmers will save America.

Blogger Francis The Pope December 27, 2017 11:42 AM  

On this topic of China I want am curious how well Star Wars will perform in China. China is a very important market for China, but having an Asian woman being the love interest of a black(very black) might not be well received.

The Chinese are slowly starting to become aware of the true reality what the post Western world is about, they are starting to talk about the "baizuo" (white SJW), they are starting to become aware that cities such as London or Paris are non white and not the fairy tale destinations the once might have believed, they are starting to come to the realization that "Western" no longer implies white and that emulating such hard leftist regimes such as in the USA or Europe means demise of the Chinese people.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 11:43 AM  

China peaked in 2002

Blogger Phat Repat December 27, 2017 11:51 AM  

I travel all over Asia, and while certain areas are 'nice', the West remains firmly ahead of Asia.

Right now, the only thing I sense is occurring is the 'anything but US' phenomena. Rational or not, doesn't matter. The US did burn up substantial currency (pun intended) around the world through foreign misadventures. The GE is resolving that.

Irrespective of what GE does or doesn't do, all immivaders HAVE to go BACK.

Anonymous Avalanche December 27, 2017 11:54 AM  

@2 "Especially when you don't care if you let your old people die; it's not like they have to salvage a bankrupt social security system."

But isn't a somewhat large part of our falling-all-to-hell caused by / related to / involving our huge hundred-plus year problems with africans-in-America? If China is thinking to create a brave new world in Africa -- I doubt they can do that using africans! (I realize China has no problem throwing them BACK out of China after showing them what they want them to do, but africa is filled with problems. (I'm sure y'all have seen the video of the Chinese mgrs trying (pretty unsuccessfully) to work with aficans and train transport?)

China is not -- and, I'd guess, will never -- allow a swamping such as we are drowning under? Unless they intend to clear-off african OF africans, they're buying a YUGE problem?

Anonymous SAK December 27, 2017 11:55 AM  

So what are they afraid of and why are they more trusting of us than their own kind?

Firstly, some of them might just be labouring under misconceptions. As the West changes and China changes it will take people some time to adjust. Why do so many boomers hold onto out-dated beliefs?

Secondly, they are worried about themselves, not necessarily China and its success. For China can grow, advance technological, become vastly powerful and rich, and be an inspriation to African dictators and still be a place that will brutalise its own people. The West might be poorer and weaker, but a rich Chinaman is not looking for a hand-out and might like the cost of living arbitrage anyway. The key for them is the ability to escape to somewhere they can personally live well free of being targetted politically.

It's like running off to South America to avoid extradiction after committing a crime, except the crime they are worrying about is falling foul of the state for political reasons.

Anonymous Avalanche December 27, 2017 11:58 AM  

@20 "Africans can't handle independence and personal responsibility. They can handle corrupt dictatorships. That's why the Chinese model is a good fit for them."

If that weren't so long, I'd like it on a bumper sticker!!

Blogger Gordon Scott December 27, 2017 12:02 PM  

The thing about Africa is...it's Africa. Most of the European colonial ventures didn't pay off. Belgium did in the Congo, but that's because Leopold II didn't care how many black people he had to kill to make it happen. This is where Chinese ruthlessness will help; they don't care about public opinion (Leopold didn't either; he manipulated the press skilfully).

But it's still Africa. Resources, sure, some. But there's no way to get them off the continent. Europe exploded industrially because they had great ports and great rivers. Africa has neither one. Sure, with enough explosives and concrete you can accomplish some things. You can pick out the smarter natives and educate them.

But it's still fricking Africa, and as any westerner who has tried to accomplish anything on the continent (including Bill Gates) will tell you, Africa Always Wins.

Anonymous Avalanche December 27, 2017 12:02 PM  

@23 "they are starting to become aware that cities such as London or Paris are non white and not the fairy tale destinations the once might have believed,"

So they have BUILT THEIR OWN!!

http://abcnews.go.com/International/chinas-fake-cities-eerie-replicas-paris-london-jackson/story?id=36525453

https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/paris-in-china-a-photo-tour-of-ghost-town-tianducheng-with-eiffel-tower-replica

http://parisisparis.com/guide/paris-in-china/

Blogger Christopher B December 27, 2017 12:06 PM  

and overwhelming skewed male.

Blogger Nate December 27, 2017 12:07 PM  

"I bought a Turkish firearm (SAR B6P) and it was garbage. Had to sell it and just get the real thing (CZ75 Compact)"

oh well shit... i suppose that means that the fact that the whole shotgun industry has been disrupted by turkish products is irrelevant. Because anecdote.


OpenID dreadilkzee December 27, 2017 12:08 PM  

China is no different than the Banking overlords of the West. Power elite builds wealthy dukes to hold their property. Difference is one has shared banking system controlled by the banks and the other has banking system controlled by dear party leader.

Both will ultimately fail for the same reason the Feudal system runs into problems. Eventually some idiot gets into power and screws the pooch. Western system just means there are more "Kings" to fight it out. Either way poor are screwed and the Merchant class will find a way to survive.

As for the USA it will fracture but woe to the world when it does for we are all screwed, China included. Russia has some hope but it's still needs several countries that are dependent on the US. USA, EU, and China make up 61% (25%,21%,15%) of the world's GDP. All three of which are financially intertwined for both production and wealth generation. Almost everyone else in the world has some dependency on them. If they fall then basically only the preppers and tribal people survive it and that is only if they are smart enough avoid the rest of us.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 12:09 PM  

Turks get a racial bonus to unaimed and melee weapons.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 27, 2017 12:11 PM  

In the West, both in US and in Europe, we are in the midst of battle what is truly a death cult. That reality is largely dimly perceived by those of us surrounded by it, but it is clear as day to outsiders. I don't blame them for not wanting to touch that poop, to join us in this catastrophe, especially since at this point in time the Sauron's orcs (the SJWs) do have the upper hand culturally. Can the embattled God Emperor rise to the occasion? How will it all play out?

Too unclear. Safe bet, go with the team on the move, the team with the hustle, and the supply chains, and the long game. That's what outsiders are going to do, until we can emerge intact having shed our albatross.

Blogger Nate December 27, 2017 12:11 PM  

Koanic... siting GDP at me is like talking about the flat earth to an aeronautical engineer.

Unicorn dust metrics don't impress me.

Anonymous raptor disrespect from behind December 27, 2017 12:12 PM  

You don't hear so much about President Xi's consolidation of power in western media. He is styling himself after Mao.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 27, 2017 12:13 PM  

@2 VD

China's total debt exceeds the USA's already. We think. Though China's main issue is the importation of Food & Fuel. Their rapid expansion actually ended a while ago, and it's been all debt-based since. They'll keep growing, in the sense they'll be taking people from "dirt poor" to "poor" still by the 10s of millions. That'll mean positive growth numbers, even if it likely the middle class will shrink over the coming years as the corruption moves the money Upstream.

China also isn't going to take Japan's slow decline in population. It's going to look more like a cliff.

However, on the topic of the next generation of African leaders getting advice from China, that actually makes logical sense. The American system clearly only works with Americans (as we see the problem with all of the Fake Americans). A Command Political system over a semi-Capitalistic economic system with large amounts of corruption will "work" in Africa. I'm not sure if I'd called it better, but it will work.


@18 Nate

Turkey has a rapid demographics issue that'll come to a head in the mid-2020s. The Kurds are going to start to have more outright people than Turks within the borders. We all know where that leads.

There's going to be a lot of civil wars in the 21st Century.

Blogger pnq8787 December 27, 2017 12:16 PM  

Will the Chinese nation eventually self-destruct the same way the European nations self-destructed? If so, that would be sad.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 27, 2017 12:21 PM  

@26 Avalanche

China is already in the process of colonizing SE Africa. The areas south of Kenya, pretty much. Former Rhodesia will be of great value to them, given the natural resources and growing regions.


@29 Gordon Scott

China won't care if they burn out 5 million Men there. It's actually better for them to do it, from the leadership's perspective. Westerners have to be in the midst of war to be that unfeeling.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 27, 2017 12:22 PM  

"So what are they afraid of and why are they more trusting of us than their own kind?"

They buy you, they own you, not much trust involved. If their slaves be uppity they just shoot em' and don't and are tone deaf to the ree-ing global sjws.

Blogger DonReynolds December 27, 2017 12:26 PM  

Year in and year out, the USA allows student visas to over a half million foreign students to study at American universities. They come from practically every country in the world.

I do not expect that to stop or slow down anytime soon.

Since 1960, the Soviet Union has operated Patrice Lamumba University in Moscow for Third World and Developing World students to come to Russia and see for themselves. (Now called the Peoples Friendship University.)

(The Supreme Leader of Iran is said to have attended the university....class of 1968....and met young Vlad Putin, in those days. The KGB was probably as effective at recruiting foreign students as the CIA at doing the very same thing. Yes, both sides were competitive.)

What is unlikely is Afrikans learning Chinese to attend Chinese universities.

When I was a graduate student, I was good friends with a Chinese couple that lived in married student housing. When I would visit, they only spoke in English. Not wanting to impose, I told them I would not consider it rude if they spoke to each other in Chinese. They laughed. Then they explained....they cannot communicate in Chinese, their only common language is English. Her Chinese and his Chinese are simply too different.

Before the Russian Revolution, Czar Nicholas II was married to a German princess. She was very good in German and his Russian was excellent, but English was the only language they had in common. It amazed me that all the letters and notes passed between the Czar and his wife were in English. Completely unexpected.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 12:28 PM  

> Unicorn dust metrics don't impress me.

And innumerate Alabama handwaving about 90 IQ * 80 million pop Turkic hegemony doesn't impress me.

Blogger S1AL December 27, 2017 12:33 PM  

You're right, Nate, I should have cited a lack of inventiveness for Turkey, not industriousness.

Are there any up-and-coming theoretical world powers (excluding Russia) that aren't still riding the crest of the U.S. industrial wave?

Anonymous CarpeOro December 27, 2017 12:36 PM  

Other countries aren't looking for "innovation" from China. They are looking for decent standard of living and stability. Anyone looking carefully at the West/USA will see both are in turmoil and standards of living are dropping (the vanishing middle class being the issue). When you are living in the Sudan stability looks far more appetizing than the vanishing freedoms of the west.

Anonymous Rolf December 27, 2017 12:39 PM  

Lots of cross-currents in China. Huge and relatively homogeneous population and high average IQ, but some resources are rather limited (clean water, crop land, etc), they have huge corruption, quality control, pollution, demographics and debt problems; no other nation is a direct parallel. They have WAY too many young men for the number of women they have; that usually means war. They are export-dependent to nations that don't have the cash to maintain current import levels for much longer. Then they have the Christianity wildcard; communism left a gaping spiritual hole in an ancient and spiritual culture, and Christianity is growing fast (7-10% a year), with between 20 and 50 million adherents. That scares the government. But the corruption in the Catholic Church is another wild-card that could play out many ways there. Wealthy Chinese are fleeing.

Japan is in decline, Korea is economically advancing but demographically imploding with a fertility rate noticeably below that of Japan (!!)

@20 and @23 make astute observations.

The demographics of Brazil are changing fast, with crashing birth rates.
India is mired in corruption, nepotism, a massive low-IQ underclass, and has pushed its resources to the limits.

Turkey has made huge strides on paper, but is held back by corruption and Islam.

The "American Model" of government doesn't seem to export well (even assimilation is a problem for most of the world's peoples, it seems), but it produces a lifestyle that many people in the world want.

There are so many cross-currents and counteracting and interacting trends that many plausible scenarios can be written.

And into all this walks The Mule: President Trump.

My future history is... well, maybe I'll jut have to write up a long post about that sometime in the next few days at my blog.

Blogger Ministry of Truth December 27, 2017 12:41 PM  

If you mean the baby boomers, you may end up sorely disappointed- for the "can" could conceivably be kicked down the road long enough for most of the boomers to finish out their lives in material comfort, devouring the last of the middle classes' wealth before the SHTF for real.

Anonymous CarpeOro December 27, 2017 12:41 PM  

Emphasis on "stability looks". It may just be smoke and mirrors, but while their are enough buyers it will continue to sell.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 12:52 PM  

The statistics in the USA and China are both faked in different ways. Nevertheless living in the USA with open eyes, one sees that every year gets worse. In China, the reverse. In both cases the numbers still convey plenty of meaningful information, to the discerning eye. China lags the USA by 4-6x in per capita electricity and PPP. This overstates the QoL gap, which continues to rapidly close.

Anonymous Conservative in Utah December 27, 2017 12:56 PM  

You alt-retards went from being supporters of the free market to communists in less than 2 years. You chose Drumph over free markets and the constitution.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 27, 2017 1:09 PM  

"You chose Drumph over free markets and the constitution."

Yeah, we chose Trump over Unicorns and Fairy dust.

Have you conserved anything worthwhile lately?

Blogger DonReynolds December 27, 2017 1:13 PM  

Conservative in Utah wrote:You alt-retards went from being supporters of the free market to communists in less than 2 years. You chose Drumph over free markets and the constitution.

I do not recall the "other" candidate being an advocate for "free markets and the constitution". In 2016, Trump was the closest candidate we could vote for....certainly not perfect but absolutely much better than Hillary. On that, we all seem to agree.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 27, 2017 1:15 PM  

Turkey has a big advantage in that it's able to feed itself. It has a pretty big ag sector (and not a highly concentrated one either). An awful lot of the world is dependent on importing food.

China has potential food problems. The average developed country has 4 times the per capita arable land and water, and almost half of China's arable land is degraded due to pollution or erosion.

Both countries have a low-trust culture, where ripping off anyone you're not related to is seen as virtuous behavior. If they can't change that, they're going to be self-limited.

Blogger Shimshon December 27, 2017 1:26 PM  

I visited Turkey in 1991 several months after the end of the Gulf War. There were barely any tourists, which made a fantastic trip even better. I was impressed with the Turks. Even then, I noticed how physically different in appearance they were to the Arabs, and much more attractive. They seemed pretty industrious, but the economy was a mess. The Lira declined daily.

Their export industry has expanded considerably. But it's still probably on the appliance level. Refrigerators and the like.

Blogger Francis The Pope December 27, 2017 1:28 PM  

"You alt-retards went from being supporters of the free market to communists in less than 2 years. You chose Drumph over free markets and the constitution."

First of all the idea that economic systems is all that matters is a cuckservative ideology, not an altright thing. The number one priority is racial politics and not tax rates and "free markets". China is not anti Chinese, this alone makes them better than the anti white regimes.

Second, China is not communist, it should be very clear to even the most cuckservative "race does matter" type that their government is a nationalist regime that does not practice any real communism.

Blogger tuberman December 27, 2017 1:37 PM  

Yeah, In the end, China doesn't care how many Africans it has to kill to exploit their resources. Everyone knows how gullible Blacks are and how easy to use, until not necessary. They will have get rid of most of the population some time, as they are a problem...not useful, and can get "uppity."

The Chinese look at all non-Chinese, at best, as step above animals, and they look at blacks as a step below most animals. Marriage made in heaven, right? When the Africans start raping and pillaging Chinese colonials, different outcome this time.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 27, 2017 1:40 PM  

Avalanche wrote:China is not -- and, I'd guess, will never -- allow a swamping such as we are drowning under? Unless they intend to clear-off african OF africans, they're buying a YUGE problem?
Africans are good at Rwanda-scale slaughters.  All China has to do is keep them all at each other's throats.  Or make it impossible for food aid to get in.  Either way, massive population crash.

China's good at using cats-paws too.  All the news this week was about a White farmer who had his expropriated farm in Zimbabwe returned to him.  Not a Chinese name mentioned, but they had to be behind it.  Maybe the public face of the regime in the once-and-future Rhodesia will be White and speak with an English accent.

Anonymous Iron Spartan December 27, 2017 1:45 PM  

The Chinese mining model in Africa was to bring in the local warlord, promise him drugs, guns, and women if he stays out of your way and kills anyone who looks to closely at the operation. Mining toxic rare earth elements with disposable slave labor still has an ugly reputation.

Works great until the local warlord starts thinking that he might actually be someone. Then they kill him, give the same offer to the Warlords #2, wash, rinse, repeat.

If they are engaging the local government, that means they are going for economic rape on a scale that has never been seen before. Get your popcorn ready.

Anonymous zebedee December 27, 2017 2:01 PM  

Printing (books etc) is a rapidly growing industry in Turkey as firearms, cars etc.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 27, 2017 2:06 PM  

@50

Boring recycled 2016 "Drumpf" troll. Would yawn at again.

1/10

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 27, 2017 2:11 PM  

The American model worked well for Americans. It doesn't work well with Africans on any continent.

The Chinese model works for Chinese, but it's closer to the traditional African tribal model, the Big Man culture. It might work some for Africans.

Actually I'm all in favor of Africans going to Chinese colleges for training. Because that means fewer of them coming here and staying.

Blogger James Dixon December 27, 2017 2:12 PM  

> Will the Chinese nation eventually self-destruct the same way the European nations self-destructed? If so, that would be sad.

All nations go through stages of growth and decline.

> And into all this walks The Mule: President Trump.

I'm hoping for more of a Salvor Hardin.

Anonymous BBGKB December 27, 2017 2:20 PM  

But it's still fricking Africa, and as any westerner who has tried to accomplish anything on the continent (including Bill Gates) will tell you, Africa Always Wins.

You realize the Chinese wouldn't have a problem turning blacks into fuel if there was a way.

> Unicorn dust metrics don't impress me.

A 60IQ illiterate HIV+ somali moslem contributes more to the GDP than the average RN, because govterment handouts count toward the GDP. But only ((())) get enriched by using taxpayer money to import them.

I do not recall the "other" candidate being an advocate for "free markets and the constitution".

Crooked Eye Clinton found churches would have to perform free gay weddings in the constitution.

Anonymous Sam the Man December 27, 2017 2:40 PM  

Folks disregarding the Chinese with the "they Peaked in 2002" do not realize how much US industry and now high tech has moved overseas. That has happened since 2002.

In 2002 when we started a product in Asia we net over for 2 weeks to get it started. No longer. Now much of the development is happening in Asia. Guess what, since it is built in China, they are picking up ever aspect of design, from taking over the DC to DC switchers from TI, to copying the higher function ICs. When they can switch in Chinese ICs they do, and the idiots in procurement let them for a 1.5 cent advantage in price. The Chinese have a plan, which to this point is working well. They have already incorporated Taiwan so far into their economy that Taiwan is going to be part of china, much like Hawaii is part of ours.

I say this as a 35 year electronic engineering veteran currently involved in the next generation WIFI home node development (hardware side. Nate has not idea about Tech industry, sorry to say that but true. All the young engineering guys I deal with are Chinese, not Westerners.

Trump coming in to attempt to bring back industry is happening not a moment too soon. The attempt to open up US rare earth metals is a good start.

Anonymous Ferd Berfel December 27, 2017 2:42 PM  

Some of the Turkish ironmongery is better than others. They make perfectly serviceable copies of the HK line of roller-locking rifles and SMGs. Note that these designs are mainly stamped sheet metal, designed primarily for simplicity of manufacture. They make HK knockoffs in Iran and Mexico too. The Turks are also manufacturing lots of double barrel shotguns for export--Victorian Era designs.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 27, 2017 2:43 PM  

Rolf wrote:Wealthy Chinese are fleeing.

I never met a Mainlander who wanted to go back.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 27, 2017 2:46 PM  

If you want REE refining in the USA, stop classifying thorium as dangerous radioactive waste and take it out of NRC control.  There are a bunch of rare-earth deposits that aren't economic because of the cost of disposing of the associated actinide.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 27, 2017 2:46 PM  

Turkey does have the problem however of an average IQ below 90. Less than 5% of the population is smart enough to be engineers, doctors, business managers, etc. As frustrating as midwits can be, they're needed for a modern economy, and White America has 4x the per-capita midwits than Turkey.

India is in even worse shape, with an average IQ ten points lower. Even with their huge population, the total number of competent people is low.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 2:50 PM  

> I never met a Mainlander who wanted to go back.

Try looking in China.

Blogger Nate December 27, 2017 2:56 PM  

"Folks disregarding the Chinese with the "they Peaked in 2002" do not realize how much US industry and now high tech has moved overseas. That has happened since 2002."

***chuckle***

wrong.

You obviously don't realize that's just more cancer.

Blogger Nate December 27, 2017 3:00 PM  

"Are there any up-and-coming theoretical world powers (excluding Russia) that aren't still riding the crest of the U.S. industrial wave?"

South Korea is a techno-monster but I don't think it has enough gumption for it. But I don't think they are really in the running.

You're also correct about Turkish inventiveness. that's a perfect criticism. Everything they make is a clone of something someone else designed.

china has the same problem. Multiplied by many other worse problems.

I'm betting on Russia.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 27, 2017 3:09 PM  

Koanic wrote:> I never met a Mainlander who wanted to go back.

Try looking in China.


I'm sure China has many who would like to go back here. Or was that what you meant?

I met a number of Mainlanders while I was in grad school. I've met quite a few since. All were scheming to stay.

Blogger S1AL December 27, 2017 3:11 PM  

"I'm betting on Russia."

Any country that's been through what Russia (and the rest of Eastern Europe) has and is still kicking has potential in my book. Hell, I'm looking at Poland and Hungary and the Czech Republic, wondering if they aren't the future of a rebounding Eastern Bloc.

My big question mark on China and India is the growth of the Church. Both countries are seeing extensive conversion - and that changes all the equations.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 3:13 PM  

Russia is 144m pop * 97 IQ vs China roughly same verbal * 1.38bn pop. If Japan could bloody Russia China can crush her. Even after factoring lower Chinese cohesion.

Anonymous Sam the Man December 27, 2017 3:15 PM  

Nate, exactly what do you do in industry? what is your position, background and explain what industry(ies) you know something about:

Per the rules of the Blog, you have to answer.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 3:33 PM  

> I met a number of Mainlanders while I was in grad school. I've met quite a few since. All were scheming to stay.

You don't meet Chinese in the West who want to go back, because they already did.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 27, 2017 3:33 PM  

Russia is 144m pop * 97 IQ vs China roughly same verbal * 1.38bn pop. If Japan could bloody Russia China can crush her. Even after factoring lower Chinese cohesion.

Might want to factor in T-scores too there. Changes things a bit...

Blogger Robert What? December 27, 2017 3:36 PM  

Don't forget, though. Unlike the US and the EU, China attempts to preserve their ethnic and racial heritage. That makes all the difference.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 3:43 PM  

> Might want to factor in T-scores too there. Changes things a bit...

Prove it.

Blogger horsewithnonick December 27, 2017 3:52 PM  

Or start using it as nuclear fuel in LFTR plants, and get even richer.

Blogger Nate December 27, 2017 4:05 PM  

Sam...

Don't quote rules at me. I was here before they were written. I am part of an ownership group of a petroleum tooling venture. No I am not going to tell you which one.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 27, 2017 4:08 PM  

Koanic wrote:You don't meet Chinese in the West who want to go back, because they already did.

The ones in grad school can't go back yet. If they have their way, they never will.

The Mainlanders I have met since grad school obviously are self-selected. They have their degrees, could have gone back, and didn't. The fraction that self-selects to stay here, per my during-grad-school sample, is 100%. I've mentioned this interesting empirical regularity to Mainlanders here, and gotten push-back, but never any tales of Mainlanders who left by choice.

If you mean the ones who are happy in China don't come here in the first place, I'll agree.

Many of the Taiwanese and Malaysian Chinese I met in school had plans to go back, and most of them did so, including some who didn't plan to. Even for the ones who wanted to stay, it was not their overriding concern. Mainlanders who get here, on the other hand, want nothing more than to stay here.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 4:13 PM  

> The ones in grad school can't go back yet.

False. Most of the ones who go don't stick. You're probably getting a biased elite sample.

Anonymous Sam the Man December 27, 2017 4:22 PM  

Nate,

Pulling the "I am an authority figure here Card:" is not exactly an effective defense of your position.

Petroleum industry is different that electronics. True you certainly have a lot of control systems companies that support you and they are US, but projecting that industry to electronic hardware industry is , well simply lacking intellectual rigor.

All of the old US industrial tech firms in the northeast are either gone or in radical decline. Southern California high tech manufacturing is gone. Ohio industrial heavy industry greats are missing in action. In each case the lead in industry development is more or less gone(in electronics) It followed the movement of manufacturing to Asia.

Great for an old engineer, means I was be employable in these sunset industries for a decade or two longer, as there is not great US talent coming up to replace the old codgers. It is a disaster for the nation.

Not surprised you do not see it, a lot of folks miss this, but much like everyone thought the UK navy was still the best in the world technically and tactically in 1914, it took Jutland to bring home the fact that both tactually and technologically they were behind the upstarts that they looked their noses down.

Blogger Nate December 27, 2017 4:25 PM  

"Petroleum industry is different that electronics. True you certainly have a lot of control systems companies that support you and they are US, but projecting that industry to electronic hardware industry is , well simply lacking intellectual rigor. "

I am not projecting anything. My opinions are not based on my experience in industry. Any industry.

Blogger VD December 27, 2017 4:32 PM  

Per the rules of the Blog, you have to answer.

No, Sam, he does not. We do not violate privacy here. Except for criminal trolls, of course, but even them we simply turn over to the relevant authorities.

Blogger James Dixon December 27, 2017 4:38 PM  

> Russia is 144m pop * 97 IQ vs China roughly same verbal * 1.38bn pop.

Interesting thought experiment: What happens when 1.38bn people become upset with their leadership?

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 4:47 PM  

> What happens when 1.38bn people become upset with their leadership?

Leadership redirects the anger towards Japan and friends.

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 27, 2017 4:52 PM  

Nate wrote:Turkey, India, and Russia are busy deciding who is going to be the future. Turkey has the manufacturering. India has the population. Russia has the power.

Turkey is going to have a rough time soon. The population growth in Turkey is coming from the Kurds, who have a vastly higher fertility. Turkey will be lucky to survive this century intact in its current form.

Blogger James Dixon December 27, 2017 4:58 PM  

> Leadership redirects the anger towards Japan and friends.

Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. Interesting times indeed.

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable December 27, 2017 5:02 PM  

BBGKB wrote:
"The 5th president of Zambia Michael Sata said "We want the Chinese to leave and the old colonial rulers to return...at least they took good care of us. They built schools, taught us their language and brought us British civilization. At least western capitalism has a human face..."

Reality bites, but the Western, British civilization that brought that human face is being systematically destroyed by home-grown idiots, so everyone will lose.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 27, 2017 5:23 PM  

Koanic, almost all the Mainlanders I have met have been cognitive elite, political elite or both. For most, the ticket to the US is either a near perfect GRE or a father with the political pull to engage in serious corruption.

They don't want to go back.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 5:34 PM  

So you are confirming what I said. Many many more Chinese than those two groups go to the West for short to medium periods.

Obviously it is more advantageous for some individual Chinese to drain a developed high trust society rather than compete with a billion crabs in a bucket. But the bucket rises nonetheless.

China Bears see the low trust financial shenanigans but miss the deregulation-powered entrepreneurial explosion powering dramatic quality of life improvement. China is in the middle of her growth spurt, not the end.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 27, 2017 6:18 PM  

Koanic wrote:So you are confirming what I said.

I'm not sure that we ever disagreed on this. The best and brightest who come here from the Mainland want to stay. That's not true for other Chinese populations in East Asia.

Koanic wrote:Many many more Chinese than those two groups go to the West for short to medium periods.

No doubt. Do they have the option to stay? I'm sure there are millions of peasants and pensioners who wouldn't be happy here, and would be eager to go back to family, friends and the familiar. I suspect that these satisfied peasants and pensioners are a minority, although I have no data to support that.

Koanic wrote:China Bears see the low trust financial shenanigans but miss the deregulation-powered entrepreneurial explosion powering dramatic quality of life improvement. China is in the middle of her growth spurt, not the end.

This is the point you've been making all along? That things are improving in China for the average Chou? I suspect that you're right. That seems to be an important part of the communist strategy for retaining power.

The cognitive elites who get out want to stay out, and the political elites need family here to ease their escape if they get caught on the wrong side of something.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 6:55 PM  

Google "china sea turtles".

Anonymous Jack Amok December 27, 2017 7:33 PM  

Prove it.

Did you forget to take your "don't be an ass" pills today, Koanic?

Name the last time China won a war against a high-T nation.

Anonymous Pitcrew December 27, 2017 7:41 PM  

@87
A whole lot of popcorn gets popped.

Blogger Lovekraft December 27, 2017 7:42 PM  

If and when this happens, it will not be up to the alt-right to say 'we told you so' but rather to marvel at their desire to emulate the classical thinkers and artists.

Let's encourage the next Mozart, Raphael whatever form they take. We are but dust...

We can be a bridge between the past and this future. Much culling will occur to find the golden threads.

Blogger cheddarman December 27, 2017 7:43 PM  

Russia is Christian again. This matters more than anything, imo.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 8:10 PM  

Racial testosterone is quantifiable, Jack. That's one axis. The other is every recorded war. Have at it.

You might want to check the difference between Mongolian and Han testosterone first, though. And consider that China is perfectly capable of supplementing her troops.

Blogger Daniel December 27, 2017 8:52 PM  

You can have a lot of competent people and still not be a developed country. Argentina. Wtf interesting food thougth

Anonymous Jack Amok December 27, 2017 9:03 PM  

Koanic, there are about as many Mongolians in China as there are Amerindians in the US. China is 92% Han.

Now, as to 'every recorded war', name me the last war of conquest the Chinese won against a non-Sino people. This history of the Han is being conquered by every two-bit band of nomads who come wondering along.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 9:06 PM  

Name me the last war of conquest the Japanese won against anybody prior to WWII.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 9:07 PM  

And my point re Mongolians was that if testosterone is the relevant difference then for your thesis' sake you'd better hope the Mongolians have a lot more of it than the Chinese, since they conquered pretty well.

Blogger Lazarus December 27, 2017 9:56 PM  

103. Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 9:06 PM
Name me the last war of conquest the Japanese won against anybody prior to WWII.


The Japanese invasion of Manchuria began on 18 September 1931, when the Kwantung Army of the Empire of Japan invaded Manchuria immediately following the Mukden Incident. The Japanese established the puppet state of Manchukuo, and their occupation lasted until Soviet Union and Mongolia launched the Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation in 1945.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 27, 2017 10:12 PM  

Koanic, so you think the Han are going to go all bushido all of the sudden? Heh. What's the T delta between Han and Nippon again? At least the pre-ww2 ground-to-dust japs.

Yeah, right.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 10:19 PM  

> The Japanese invasion of Manchuria began on 18 September 1931

WWII started earlier in some places. Try to follow the analogy instead of being pedantic.

> What's the T delta between Han and Nippon again?

I don't know you idiot it's your thesis.

Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 10:28 PM  

It is truly amazing that Americans are so stupid they can be surprised twice by the same racial group modernizing and then attacking them across the Pacific with overwhelming superiority.

You can't even tell them apart.

Blogger Lazarus December 27, 2017 10:30 PM  

107. Blogger Koanic December 27, 2017 10:19 PM
WWII started earlier in some places. Try to follow the analogy instead of being pedantic.

Like, ten years earlier?

You are turning MPAI into an art form. At least there is that.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 27, 2017 11:10 PM  

You are turning MPAI into an art form. At least there is that.

Yeah, he's on a bender this week for sure. Especially the part about "follow the analogy instead of being pedantic."

It is truly amazing that Americans are so stupid they can be surprised twice by the same racial group modernizing and then attacking them across the Pacific with overwhelming superiority.

Aye, we're lucky the Japs didn't invade the West Coast. "Holleeeeeee-woooooooooooood!"

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) December 28, 2017 12:10 AM  

Didn't the Japs defeat the Chinese, Koreans, and Russians before WW1?

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) December 28, 2017 12:14 AM  

Name me the last war of conquest the Japanese won against anybody prior to WWII.

Taiwan. Korea.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 28, 2017 12:18 AM  

@Josh, pretty much. But Korea was really just one of the prizes that Japan and China fought over.

Both China and Russia are busy preparing for a world that doesn't include the USA. Between the two, I like Russia's chances better.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 28, 2017 12:18 AM  

I don't know you idiot it's your thesis.

Can you make a guess, looking at pictures of pre-WWII Japs and Chinese men?

Anonymous Jack Amok December 28, 2017 12:25 AM  

Aaaand I'm still waiting for the answer to the last major war the Chinese won against someone who wasn't Chinese. I could almost ask, what was the first war the Han won against non-Hans. It's not quite that bad, but it's close. The Han do okay with subterfuge and soft warfare, but if the shooting starts for real, they tend to lose badly.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf December 28, 2017 2:15 AM  

In my experience, Chinese women are simply expected to care for their parents in their age. I would expect to see more stay at home mothers who will care for both parents as well as care for kids. They'll probably come up with ways to make this work, including letting some parents die (which does happen - though I do not think it is common). Most Chinese girls I speak to say they'd like two kids. Though some think they want to 'enjoy their life' and have zero. I speak to University students for the most part, so that's not unexpected even in China. There are some particularities about the Chinese I do not understand. Pooping in a shared trench when there's a 4 star toilet nearby (if you're willing to walk to the mall and take the elevator to the top). Chinese would probably find this a waste of time when a perfectly fine trench is right here. But IMO it's really gross. I mean, really really revolting if you're not used to it. Also, Chinese are more than happy to do half-arse work ALL the time. This just isn't common in Japan or the USA (maybe a little like in AU). I concluded that Japan developed a 2000 year history of having to value add, in order to get what they needed from the Chinese. That aside, obviously what E Asians really have going for them is 60K years of brutal winters and a broad landscape that selected for good spatial reasoning and probably good short-term memory. There are probably many unseen benefits. For example, it may be much easier for them to raise their children to read and write. It's fairly common to see 5-year-olds reading and writing fluently in the two kana by age 5. This head-start continues to pay dividends across a lifetime, as seen in our Universities and professional programs.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 28, 2017 2:38 AM  

it may be much easier for them to raise their children to read and write.

One thing I'm curious about is if writing systems have an impact on realized intelligence. Chinese (Han) writing isn't phonemes, it's entire words. You memorize the symbol for a concept, maybe with a few variations. Probably leads to good memorization skills, since the average chinaman has to memorize several thousand symbols to be literate.

Meanwhile, Western languages use phonetic symbols which have to be combined in the proper way to make any sense. Western kids memorize only two to three dozen symbols, but have to lean the combinatorics of those symbols. Less memorization, more processing. More flexible too.

It's logical that would have an impact on thought.

Blogger Texas Cyberthal December 28, 2017 4:38 AM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Koanic December 28, 2017 4:40 AM  

Josh is correct, I should've said "Name a non-sino people the Japanese conquered before WWII." Anyhow the parallel between Japan and China's conquest spurts is apt. China is also exhibiting a smooth buildup to world domination. She is currently establishing her regional dominance, same as Japan did. Unlike China Japan apparently had no history of external conquest save for a failed invasion of Korea. Given that China is bracketed by the sino populations of the Mongols and the Japanese, this should be sufficient to prejudice Jack's thesis that the Chinese are somehow incapable of global-scale conquest. Particularly since they are already colonizing Africa.

Blogger Koanic December 28, 2017 4:45 AM  

> Like, ten years earlier?

Yes.

> You are turning MPAI into an art form. At least there is that.

I couldn't do it without the help of idiots like you.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf December 28, 2017 7:27 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:it may be much easier for them to raise their children to read and write.

One thing I'm curious about is if writing systems have an impact on realized intelligence. Chinese (Han) writing isn't phonemes, it's entire words. You memorize the symbol for a concept, maybe with a few variations. Probably leads to good memorization skills, since the average chinaman has to memorize several thousand symbols to be literate.

Meanwhile, Western languages use phonetic symbols which have to be combined in the proper way to make any sense. Western kids memorize only two to three dozen symbols, but have to lean the combinatorics of those symbols. Less memorization, more processing. More flexible too.

It's logical that would have an impact on thought.
That's a good question. Actually, I don't know of any research on this particular question. There is some evidence that Westerners see whole words in a manner similar to Chinese. But that isn't the same as learning to read and write whole Chinese characters (2500 would probably only get you so far as a newspaper to be honest. You'd need to know more to read a novel). Which isn't exactly your question.

One thing we should remember is that Chinese and Japanese are surrounded by their language. This makes it much much easier to remember as compared to someone trying to learn to read Chinese or Japanese outside of the country. That's going to be much harder to do. I was thinking, sight-words (and simple sight-sentences) are sort of based on pure recognition. 'Once' for example, cannot be decoded. You just have to memorize it (as far as I know). My personal preference is to combine phonetics (start with) with sight-words (about 500) and then move to simple sight sentences. But that should only be done for fun. Like in the bathtub :) So maybe we both end up about in the same place anyway?

An interesting fact about Chinese trying to learn English (I don't teach English but I have heard this). They find it hard to train their eyes to move across the page so quickly. They read much more information in a lot less space. Also, their description of mathematics is less abstract. We say: one fourth. They say: from four take one. One idea I once contemplated about the Japanese is if, using hiragana, katagana, kanji and romanji - if the chances of randomly putting a new fresh idea together isn't higher? I mean, how do we get ideas? Where do they come from? Language? Spoken? Written? Both? And/or something else? Maybe they have an edge there? But, then again, English is bat shit crazy :)

Oh, one last thing about Chinese memorizing. It's very common to see them rocking back and forth like a Muslim in a Madrasa reciting their notes. They almost sound like they are chanting. Which got me to thinking (1) it was sort of creepy (LOL) and (2) what a great way to remember information. I believe Aristotle may have written some techniques for memorizing information?

Blogger Meng Greenleaf December 28, 2017 7:34 AM  

One last little anecdote, because I end up working with Chinese from time to time I like to stroke their math ego. Unlike in the West, Chinese have no problems with thinking they are both genetically superior, have an average IQ that is higher, as exemplified by their mathematical skills. So, I often ask some ridiculously easy question, something like: We're going to do an experiment with X, could you calculate what the stock should be?

Then I watch them squirm for an hour or so. They come back telling me how, actually, they hate math and were never really good at i.
LOL

I slow drip the information, letting them make a few common mistakes (like suggesting a Liter of stock, when 100 microliters probably cost $500 and we only need 10 :) That usually gets the shoe on the right foot :D

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 28, 2017 8:44 AM  

Spam cleanup required, tnx.

Same spammer has been busy elsewhere.

Blogger McChuck December 28, 2017 8:44 AM  

@87 - What happens when the Chinese people get upset at the government? Best case (for them) - greater internet censorship and the arrest and execution of the protest leaders. Average case - Tiananmen Square times 100. Worst case - China uses up half of its nuclear stockpile to end the rebellion, and then has to build more.

Blogger Timmy3 December 28, 2017 9:34 AM  

After reading about what the Chinese might be Intelligent, I get the feeling that theorizing about it is completely idiotic.

No, the Chinese are not smarter. In fact, it points to being less smart. Less able to conceptualize. They learn language and math by rote memorization. So if the genius Meng asks a dumb unfamiliar question, they’ll get it wrong with especially if he holds back information. I have not idea if they will eventually catch on, but he’s a jerk and he wastes everyone’s time.

Blogger Owen December 28, 2017 9:49 AM  

Not sure if it's more trusting they just don't want all their eggs in one basket. They know it's corrupt in China they want a safe haven before tshtf. Very few people with big money in China are uncorrupted. Sometimes they will pay higher six figures just to have the kid in America ( well aware of birthright citizenship) and raise him in China. That's their escape plan.

Blogger JohnofAustria December 28, 2017 6:09 PM  

I doubt any group of Africans can be non-violent and orderly enough to make the Chinese model work. They're probably just interested in using the trappings for the next round of warlords.

Anonymous Philip Rossiter December 29, 2017 2:46 AM  

I'm tired of hearing people try to claim that the Chinese system is a better system that the US or any other Western economic system. All you need to do is look at the number of Chinese who disappear every year, or who run afoul of the government, to see that it is in no way preferable. All of the top Chinese millionaires live in absolute fear of the government leadership. They know that if they step out of line, they are toast.

It's like Saudi Arabia. Everyone kept saying how their economic system wasn't perfect, but it was pretty good for being in the middle east. Then the stories came out about Prince Al Waleed (who was worth $16 Billion) being hung upside down and beaten with rods by the forces of the new crown prince of this absolute monarchy, and business people in the US started to realize that Saudi Arabia is as backwards as they come.

Stick with Western democracies. As they say, they're not perfect, but they are the best we have.

Blogger James Dixon December 29, 2017 11:12 AM  

> (2) what a great way to remember information.

I found it extremely useful in high school and college to verbally repeat the text I was studying. It gives you another feedback loop for remembering it.

> Worst case - China uses up half of its nuclear stockpile to end the rebellion, and then has to build more.

There are some obvious problems with nuking your own territory. The Chinese might be willing to do so anyway. We'll probably find out eventually.

> I'm tired of hearing people try to claim that the Chinese system is a better system that the US or any other Western economic system.

It's not a question of better. It's a question of what works with a given population.

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts