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Thursday, December 21, 2017

What ARE the odds?

Such a coincidence....
The third man killed in the deadly Amtrak derailment south of Seattle has been identified as an Auburn child pornography collector and an outspoken proponent of child sexual abuse, whose crimes were first detailed in a 2013 SeattlePI story.

The days since the deadly Amtrak derailment between Tacoma and Olympia saw two of the three fatally injured victims, Jim Hamre and Zack Willhoite, celebrated for their love of trains. Hamre, 61, and Willhoite, 35, were close friends and volunteers on the board of All Aboard Washington, a rail advocacy organization.

Benjamin Gran’s story is more complicated.

Gran, a leading member of an online forum dedicated to promoting the sexual abuse of children, served a federal prison term after he was caught with a vast collection of child pornography videos.

The Pierce County coroner's office said Wednesday that Gran, 40, died of multiple traumatic injuries sustained in Monday’s crash. His death came six years after child pornography investigator came knocking on his apartment door.

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98 Comments:

Blogger Sherwood family December 21, 2017 7:09 AM  

Hmm...so...he had to be got rid of because he knew who else was involved?

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 7:10 AM  

I have many questions, but my first impression is that there's some deep irony to this.

The guy was clearly a trainwreck, too bad the train isn't fine in this case. Poor train.

Anonymous Cantostop December 21, 2017 7:25 AM  

Surely there are better ways to kill someone who knows too much than derailing an entire freaking train and making intentional news?

I for one would like your estimation of when all this stuff is going to unfold. Because frankly I'm a little conspiracy theory-ed out.

Anonymous Cantostop December 21, 2017 7:26 AM  

international

Blogger Shimshon December 21, 2017 7:30 AM  

Cantostop, surely there are, but it's still arguably worth one less pedophile, is it not (minus the loss of the two "train is fine" folks)?

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 7:34 AM  

These guys are still trying. Deaths of people who know too much.
Plus, I went to my e-mail trash bin and found several of the notices from my favorite Twitter accounts sent there about what is going on in the world. Does not affect me as I go out to look at them any way. This is new, as I used to get all of these notices without being sent to Spam. Probably coincidence??!

Or they will soon ban all these Twitter accounts even though these people do nothing to break any rules, or the rules as they were before.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 7:38 AM  

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Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 7:41 AM  

Cantostop wrote:Surely there are better ways to kill someone who knows too much than derailing an entire freaking train and making intentional news?

I for one would like your estimation of when all this stuff is going to unfold. Because frankly I'm a little conspiracy theory-ed out.


Timeline is long, so you will likely get a headache. Enjoy it.

Anonymous Cantostop December 21, 2017 7:42 AM  

That's a ludicrous thing to say. Derailing a train and killing/injuring innocent people? Wow.

Also yes I saw your comment on FATCA thanks, I pretty much knew that, my emphasis was on how can it be enforced. And the double taxation agreements, I dislike when people bring that up, it's thanking massah for giving you a cookie before he whips you, in practice it's useless if you have a good salary and/or live anywhere you pay a lower amount - you "owe" the difference.

Anonymous Lulabelle December 21, 2017 7:46 AM  

6 years in prison is not very long for a "vast collection of child pornography videos".

Anonymous Strange Aeons December 21, 2017 7:49 AM  

...but is the train fine?

Anonymous Ain December 21, 2017 7:49 AM  

"Hmm...so...he had to be got rid of because he knew who else was involved?"

Yes

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 21, 2017 7:54 AM  

@1 That aligns, somewhat, with what QAnon was saying.

Dang these conspiracy theories can be tiring. So many things to connect, so many inconsistencies to attempt to resolve. It racks the mind and I've not even put up my Christmas Tree yet.

Anonymous Looking Glass December 21, 2017 7:54 AM  

@11 Strange Aeons

Sadly, no. Press F to pay respect.


On the topic of the thread, there are coincidences and quite a lot of them. This one is just really strange.

As for taking out a train to erase one person? Oh, yeah, if the person is at a level of importance enough. It's actually a really slick approach since you'll never see it coming and no one would suspect it. I don't think that's the reason behind this one (Leftist incompetence answers far too many of these issues), but we'll see who else died in the crash as well.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( the Original Militant Apathist ) December 21, 2017 7:56 AM  

9. Cantostop December 21, 2017 7:42 AM
That's a ludicrous thing to say. Derailing a train and killing/injuring innocent people? Wow.



how do you know the others were innocent?

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2017 8:08 AM  

A little more detail.....he was autistic and communicated with the Netherlands ring.


Gran was like Sheldon Cooper

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 8:12 AM  

Yeah, the CIA, Deep State, Antifa, Left, etc., care about innocent people? Let us see, as in how many innocent people have been killed by Muslim terrorist attacks?

Blogger Legion of Logic December 21, 2017 8:13 AM  

So how precisely would they have ensured the guy would be one of the three killed, as opposed to the 74 or so who survived? Did they board the train and beat him to death and no one happened to notice?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2017 8:14 AM  

Ain wrote:"Hmm...so...he had to be got rid of because he knew who else was involved?"

Yes

What are the odds that a train full of leftists would have one or more pedos on board? Probably pretty good.

Derail a train and hope your victim gets hurt? No. Derail a train and use it to mangle the corpse you already made? Maybe. Leftist incompetance derails a train, leftists die? Probably.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2017 8:16 AM  

> The days since the deadly Amtrak derailment between Tacoma and Olympia saw two of the three fatally injured victims, Jim Hamre and Zack Willhoite, celebrated for their love of trains. Hamre, 61, and Willhoite, 35, were close friends and volunteers on the board of All Aboard Washington, a rail advocacy organization.

For some reason I'm reminded of the scene in Atlas Shrugged where they put a coal fired locomotive on the train through the tunnel.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 21, 2017 8:23 AM  

The only way this was a hit is if they had someone kill him on the train somehow and then used the crash to cover it up... which, ironically, sounds simultaneously like both very poor planning, and planning absurdly far ahead at the same time.

I like OC's point, about a leftist train being highly likely to contain pedophiles, a bit better.

Blogger Shimshon December 21, 2017 8:35 AM  

@9 "That's a ludicrous thing to say. Derailing a train and killing/injuring innocent people? Wow."

Must humor always be accompanied by an emoji? No, I don't advocate derailing a train or killing innocent people to target pedophiles (as I thought was clear).

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 21, 2017 8:41 AM  

And not entirely off topic: What happened to the Las Vegas story? Dozens were killed and weeks afterward, the LA Times reports that FBI's Nevada chief says the motive is a mystery. It's not lost on me that the targets were in attendance at a country music festival, not exactly the type of music which finds appeal among the Left. And if you'll allow me, theories abound that Al Waleed, a Podesta client, was there and left by way of a private helicopter.

Blogger Longtime Lurker December 21, 2017 8:42 AM  

Coincidences still occur, right?

Blogger Shimshon December 21, 2017 8:42 AM  

While I am satisfied that another pedophile is gone from this world, I doubt derailing a train was an actual plan to target him. Does anyone really believe that? Given all the "suicides" that keep being reported on, there are far more effective ways to off someone one.

Look at that picture of the track repair in the linked article. That looks like a very sharp unbanked turn to me. This was just another example vibrancy at work (what was the race of the engineer?) with a silver lining.

In college, I had a friend who was a huge rail fan. He was no pedo. But I can see how rail can attract those kinds of people as fans too.

Anonymous Mike December 21, 2017 8:50 AM  

What's the title of this post insinuating? It's exactly these types of updates that take credibility away from this site. Soros arrested, anyone?

Blogger Harambe December 21, 2017 8:59 AM  

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Blogger Koanic December 21, 2017 9:02 AM  

I think it's a coincidence.

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 9:09 AM  

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Anonymous Dan December 21, 2017 9:09 AM  

Romans 12:19 (KJV)

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Blogger RC December 21, 2017 9:13 AM  

"When the wicked perish there are shouts of joy."

Anonymous Tsalal December 21, 2017 9:18 AM  

-OT

I know AA of DS isn't that popular here, but I have to agree with his assessment of the commutation of Sholom Rubashkin. It is _very_ bad optics for the Merchants.

Blogger Silly but True December 21, 2017 9:20 AM  

The train's not only just fine, it's also a hero.

Blogger The Kurgan December 21, 2017 9:25 AM  

2 years.

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 9:31 AM  

Just like Trump, Vox posts things in an overall strategy that is not always obvious. Sometimes it may be as simple to discuss weird shit. Then people panic and worry about they will be perceived for reading this site. It exposes the betas and gammas

Blogger tuberman December 21, 2017 9:36 AM  

Mike wrote:What's the title of this post insinuating? It's exactly these types of updates that take credibility away from this site. Soros arrested, anyone?

Why are you here then?

Anonymous Cadwallander J December 21, 2017 9:39 AM  

Watch and learn. The goal/strategy of Rabid Puppies was not immediately clear to an outside observer, but that was to prevent tipping off the SJWs. They then set about predictably beclowning themselves. Pick up a copy of SJWs Always Double Down. With events safely in the rearview, Vox lays out the master plan and shows the whole circus to be a case study in SJWs behavior.

I only point this out to illustrate the proper view of these posts. Wait and see. The SDL is supreme amongst Dark Lords because he avoids the temptation to monologue his dastardly plan to any and all prior to its fulfillment.

Blogger Cleveland Screamer December 21, 2017 9:42 AM  

So how precisely would they have ensured the guy would be one of the three killed, as opposed to the 74 or so who survived? Did they board the train and beat him to death and no one happened to notice?

Check his head for a bullet hole a la Ron Brown

Blogger Cloom Glue December 21, 2017 9:56 AM  

I am tempted to calculate the odds that all passengers were homosexual pedophiles, rather than the odds of one targeted individual being such ... must resist. ha

Blogger Cloom Glue December 21, 2017 9:57 AM  

... but I am just here for the math.

Anonymous johnc December 21, 2017 9:59 AM  

It's definitely not a coincidence. This guy had demons in him and surrounding him and they were eager to do maximum damage and he brought that evil with him on that train. This is spiritual warfare and the devil is unchained. A little loss of focus in the mind of the engineer and BOOM, suddenly everyone is in serious trouble.

This is why it is so important for all of us to rid our society of creeps like this. They are filthy full of devils and our tolerance of their state results in God removing his protection.

Did the other two victims die in a state of grace or were they damned to hell, two more victories for the devil? These days it is very difficult to experience a sudden death and die in a state grace.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 21, 2017 10:01 AM  

Lulabelle wrote:6 years in prison is not very long for a "vast collection of child pornography videos".
The bastard only did 2 years, not 6.

Vox, isn't it time you started thinking about your credibility? I mean, clearly you need to get more of that nice magical substance granted you you by your enemies. You just have to learn to talk about the right things in the right way.

Anonymous Cantostop December 21, 2017 10:01 AM  

I second Mike's question, what exactly is being insinuated? Lately I'm reminded of when I started entirely ignoring anything Alex Jones claimed, back during pizzagate when he had that moron ex CIA scammer on always claiming the "big one" massive arrests etc was happening tomorrow, then the next day, then eventually memory holed like the specific claims were never made. I know I know, you don't give a damn what I or any of your long term readers and supporters think. I find it exhausting though, it's like getting blueballed in perpetuity.

I mean, Africans still eat each other, tell me this couldn't easiest be explained by simple diversity enrichment...

@Michael, it also exposes people who mindlessly parrot things like "betas and gammas," which lately seems to be getting more synonymous with "people I dislike/disagree with." So you're saying that Vox actually knows what's going on, that he's insinuating something he has factual evidence on but is choosing not to reveal, and is asking us to connect the dots, which he'll do in a future post?

Anonymous JAMES December 21, 2017 10:18 AM  

Yeah nah.

Not a conspiracy. Just a little justice in an otherwise unjust world.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti December 21, 2017 10:20 AM  

Slightly OT but related: Sessions orders DOJ prosecutors to start asking FBI agents about the evidence they collected in the Hillary/Rosatom investigation

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/prosecutors-ask-fbi-agents-for-info-on-uranium-one-deal/ar-BBH6WIH

Still not tired

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti December 21, 2017 10:21 AM  

@43

I haven't been here that long compared to many of the old timers but I've never noticed you before. Are you claiming to be a "long term reader"?

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 10:22 AM  

Cantostop, you are just making my point, Vox didn't insinuate anything, he posted food for thought and you reacted like a panicked woman

Blogger Phat Repat December 21, 2017 10:22 AM  

Don't know about the odds, but I'm liking them more and more. Still much filth to cleanse; hoping odds continue to stack in favor of the good guys.

Blogger bw December 21, 2017 10:25 AM  

All Aboard Washington, a rail advocacy organization

Also Agenda 21/2030

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 10:27 AM  

I have my own gamma tendencies that I have worked hard to diminish over time so I know one when I see one

Anonymous TheTruthIsNeverAcceptable December 21, 2017 10:27 AM  

These days it is very difficult to experience a sudden death and die in a state grace.
Not hard at all if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior since He is the only source of being in a state of grace.

Anonymous BBigGayKoranBurner December 21, 2017 10:32 AM  

This was the first run of a "high speed" train packed with Train enthusiasts that had a 30mph turn. I still say AffirmativeAction was the cause but you couldn't wreck an event like that without killing a few pedos.

Surely there are better ways to kill someone who knows too much than derailing an entire freaking train and making intentional news?

Look at it the other way. If a 3x DUI illegal alien comes into the hospital it would be best if they had a black doctor ;);) . JK I would give Cuntswella the same quality care I would give John McCain or the Clintons.

It may have been a pedo target rich environment. I went to a "train enthusiast" meeting that a Amtrak person would be speaking on the Positive Train Control just to ask if it wouldn't simply be cheaper to put chain link fences on bridges black kids drop rocks off of than a multi billion $$ engineering project that needs high IQ maintenance, and they gave off a vibe. Not sure if you could have a train wreck like that without killing pedos.

So how precisely would they have ensured the guy would be one of the three killed,

Perhaps this was his EMT https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/former-detroit-emt-charged-with-willful-neglect-of-duty-in-2015-infant-death-case

Las Vegas story? Dozens were killed and weeks afterward, the LA Times reports that FBI's Nevada chief says the motive is a mystery

Pooosy hat wearing anti TRUMP protesters with brown moslem girlfriend shoots lots of TRUMP supporters, a Shylock Homes mystery if there ever was one.

This guy had demons in him and surrounding him and they were eager to do maximum damage and he brought that evil with him on that train.

There is a saying in inner city ERs "the devil protects his own" it's kinda like "only the good die young"

Blogger Johnny December 21, 2017 10:45 AM  

What I am reminded of is the airplane that went down with the Dept. of Agriculture guy who was due to testify before Congress. One of the Clinton Dead Pool things. If it is the same modus operandi, then the train was likely rigged so it would not slow down. What I am having a hard time taking in is that a conspiracy could be so widespread and still kept quiet. It would surely require widespread cooperation with the US intelligence agencies to make it work. So, I don't know.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville December 21, 2017 10:50 AM  

Not off topic. Bushes are connected to Sandusky's pedo charity.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-20/did-bushes-try-hide-connection-second-mile

Blogger tublecane December 21, 2017 10:57 AM  

@17-It's not that they care about innocents; it's that there are more efficient ways to off people. Why make national news if you don't have to?

I'm reminded of the movie Jack Reacher, that I wish I hadn't seen. Which features a criminal outfit concocting a scheme to shoot one intended target in a public space, plus four other people as a smoke screen. This mass shooting of course makes national news. (They set up a patsy who happens to be a trained sniper who committed a mass shooting in Iraq, which the military covered up because the victims were all accused of rape and they didn't want a scandal. As if.)

During the course of the movie they kill other people to keep the cover-up going, including one scene where as I recall they sneak into a house and give a guy a heart attack or some sort of medical something. Point is, why didn't they just kill the original guy like that? Has anyone ever actually arranged a mass shooting as a smokescreen? It's stupid.

Blogger CJ December 21, 2017 11:07 AM  

#19 Ominous Cowherd

What are the odds that a train full of leftists would have one or more pedos on board? Probably pretty good.

Can't disagree with that.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 December 21, 2017 11:07 AM  

"Coincidence?" I think N....
*sigh* Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.
CaptDMO

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2017 11:11 AM  

@45 Slightly OT but related: Sessions orders DOJ prosecutors to start asking FBI agents about the evidence they collected in the Hillary/Rosatom investigation

More detailed report on ZH plus a link in the comments to the sudden death of the surgeon who exposed Clinton shenanigans in Haiti. He supposedly stabbed himself but missed his heart and just bled out. Wouldn't want a guy like that operating on me.

Anonymous Amir Larijani December 21, 2017 11:12 AM  

I wonder if he liked pizza in DC.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella December 21, 2017 11:21 AM  

I read Andrew Vachss most recent books. His first books are about bringing justice to pedophiles. These latest books make the alt-right the bad guys.

I don't understand. The alt-right is the most consistent protector of innocent children.

Why would he change like that?

And, Ann Perry, who had books about a sinister conspiracy, now has a book saying pedophiles should not be outed, otherwise trust in government would fall. A government stuffed with predators has already forfeited any goodwill or trust, right?

Why on earth are these writers writing this stuff? Who would ask this of them? Are they dishonest in their views? Are the outdated?

Blogger Clay, Bill Clay December 21, 2017 11:33 AM  

Dude, he's just saying 'lets put a pin in this right here'

Dont get frustrated.

Blogger pyrrhus December 21, 2017 11:35 AM  

@59 Ann Perry is a convicted murderer, admittedly as a juvenile. I've never noticed, from the couple of mysteries I've read of hers, that she had any moral sense at all...

Blogger Johnny December 21, 2017 11:36 AM  

@54 Has anyone ever actually arranged a mass shooting as a smokescreen? It's stupid.

Some argue that was the point of the Las Vegas shooting. It was to provide cover for the important killing that did not happen, killing the Saudi Sheik. Not that the pro's would be confused, but it would keep the killing out of the news. So I don't know. The deep state would be up to it if it got them the desired results.

Blogger kmbr December 21, 2017 11:37 AM  

@41

Non-religious people may quickly gloss over your post, as I almost did.

But, something drew me back in. There is a lot to think about in what you've written. A lot to think about....

Blogger pyrrhus December 21, 2017 11:43 AM  

When novelists create a universe where basic moral standards regarding children are either completely absent or regarded as highly flexible, that's pretty good evidence of who they are...I'm talking about MZB, Delaney, Asimov, Clarke, and mystery writers like Perry....

Blogger pyrrhus December 21, 2017 11:47 AM  

@52 I highly suspect that the train was fine...

Anonymous Steve Canyon December 21, 2017 11:50 AM  

Antifa threatens to derail a train. Train derails, either due to Antifa or incompetence in construction. Guy gets offed, body dumped in the wreck. Or even an ambulance shows up with the body in it at the morgue and everyone says its from the wreck. That's certainly plausible. And not terribly complicated to pull off.

Let's see if the sleuths dig up any footage of the boarding areas. This guy's pic makes him look like a colossal dork. Shouldn't be that hard to pick out, even in a place like Seattle.

Blogger Calven December 21, 2017 11:53 AM  

Hee! Are...are we in a bubble?

Blogger Calven December 21, 2017 11:54 AM  

Must be it.

Anonymous Gurpgork December 21, 2017 12:00 PM  

Apparently the odds are 1 in 3 :-)

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable December 21, 2017 12:04 PM  

Johnny wrote:@54 Has anyone ever actually arranged a mass shooting as a smokescreen? It's stupid.

Some argue that was the point of the Las Vegas shooting. It was to provide cover for the important killing that did not happen, killing the Saudi Sheik. Not that the pro's would be confused, but it would keep the killing out of the news. So I don't know. The deep state would be up to it if it got them the desired results.

Didn't the Russians take down a Korean jet liner to get at someone on board. It was also argued that the crash in Bosnia was just to get former Secretary Ron Brown. There are other examples.

Blogger Dave December 21, 2017 12:12 PM  

Good grief.

Blogger Johnny December 21, 2017 12:15 PM  

>>Didn't the Russians take down a Korean jet liner to get at someone on board.

Now that you bring it up that airliner the Russians shot down over the Ukraine was a civilian air liner that actually got routed through a combat zone. Apparent motive for the routing: political points only for our side.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 21, 2017 12:33 PM  

The odds that one out of three people riding public transit in the Puget sound area are creepy or excons? About one to one I'd guess. Some nights I'd have put the number at all three out of three are perverts, creepy, druggie, and/or ex-cons based on my wife's experience as a bus driver.

Anonymous GregMan December 21, 2017 12:34 PM  

"The third man killed in the deadly Amtrak derailment south of Seattle has been identified as an Auburn child pornography collector and an outspoken proponent of child sexual abuse..."

So, a Hillary voter, then?

Blogger Welsh Woodsman December 21, 2017 12:35 PM  

Interesting ...when I was a kid there was guy in my church who was a hard core rail fan. Being a huge fan of trains myself, he took quite a liking to me. He wanted to take me on an overnight to chase trains. My mother said no way in hell. Like any geek hobby that spans the ages, it attracts its share of sick creeps as well. Throw a rock in any leftist city you’re bound to strike a pedo.

Blogger Rick December 21, 2017 12:39 PM  

Weird. They changed the headline of the article. And I think a lot of the content.

I swear that early morning version of the article mentioned the one of the two guys was horribly disfigured in the wreck (allegedly).

Related?: the vegas shooter's brother was arrested for ch p*rn back in oct.

Anonymous Lord of the Fleas December 21, 2017 12:47 PM  

The thing that irks me about this story is that it was reported at all.
From what we see so far, the fact that this fellow had done time for child porn is completely divorced from the fact that he was killed in a train accident. So unless there is some connection between those two facts (yet to be demonstrated), then why report on it?

Unless the "journalist(s)" involved are nothing but pathetic voyeurs who get off on dishing out salacious information on those who can't fight back (and whose families won't be in the mind-frame to do so). Which says more about them than about the dead guy.

Blogger Akulkis December 21, 2017 12:48 PM  

Cantostop, do you really think that megalomaniac pedophile psychopaths really care if extra people are killed in their train accident hit job?

From their perspective:
A) Feature, not bug
B) They could hope for dozens of dead, hoping that the 5arget got lost in all of the "noise" of all the other killed.

If it was a hit, then from their perspective, the body count wasn't as high as they were counting on.

Blogger Michael Neal December 21, 2017 1:04 PM  

Because it's interesting

Anonymous Didas Kalos December 21, 2017 1:08 PM  

Maybe not a coincidence. Psalm 94:1
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.

Anonymous vfm #0202 December 21, 2017 1:19 PM  

I was ecstatic to hear that an MEU had invested CIA at Langley. Then sad when I could find no confirmation anywhere. You'd think someone would notice a flock of Ospreys.

Ditto Soros arrest.

I dunno about Alex Jones, haven't been there for a long time.

Anonymous vfm #0202 December 21, 2017 1:28 PM  

I was glad, then sad, about the MEU investing CIA HQ at Langley. Appears to have not (/yet/ oh please please please) happened.

Ditto Soros arrest.

Vox, your overall productivity is astonishing. But if you're goosing your brain chemistry to keep it up, just stop it. Don't follow so many off that cliff.

Blogger OldFan December 21, 2017 1:48 PM  

If you understand how terrorists really work, this makes perfect sense. An organization that wants random violence to create a political situation to exploit does NOT go out and blow themselves up, shoot up an office building or shopping mall - or derail a train.
They build an intelligence cell to find likely targets. Then they set a personnel team to recruit unstable or mentally deficient personalities to groom and train to perform fell deeds. Finally, they have a team to handle the logistics of getting a bunch of weapons or explosives, setting up a site to operate from, and providing transportation. They themselves never do anything violent: they leave it for their expendable, mentally deficient, or emotionally-unstable patsies.
We never see the people behind this. Again and again we only see attackers who have “unclear movies” or were “inexplicably radicalized.” Even better, the killers usually die in the process leaving only casualties and enduring mysteries in their wake.
As a practical matter, the actual terrorists go for quantity over quality, because they know their tools are flawed; they have ample means to keep doing it again and again; and they get better at it as time goes on. This is exactly how the terrorist bombing campaign was operated in Israel a few years ago.
The shootings in Las Vegas, Orlando, and San Bernardino - and this train derailment - begin to make perfect sense if this specific scenario is applied to them. The set of 'lone wolf' attacks that only kill a few random people are their inevitable failures while a few high-profile mass killings are their successes.
How did they finally get stopped in Israel? Intelligence agencies - not cops - detected and targeted the organization behind these types of acts.
Our blundering, politicized FBI may not have what it takes. Remember 9/11? None of the people who planned, funded, and coordinated this operation were ever discovered, other than Bin Laden who openly - and rashly - boasted about it.
We actually may not have what it takes to play this game or Obama may have deliberately dismantled and disrupted any agencies that could have stopped it.

Blogger Cloom Glue December 21, 2017 2:27 PM  

I think the irk post is not poo. Avoid irk-sympathy to mention. The defence was in court. That is enough defence, and yet more was expressed by the mother by phone, I read. The history of infamous people must be reported. Salacious is a weak excuse to stop reporting.

Also, it looks factual to me, although the court documents are not photo copied and linked:

"Robert Mikelsons, a Dutch man at the center of the ring and a fellow supporter of the movement to legitimize the sexual abuse of children, had corresponded with Gran [the dead man] directly as early as 2004, according to court papers. Mikelsons and the other forum members asserted molestation was healthy for the children they hurt.

Court papers that would describe Gran more completely remain sealed."

Anonymous Peter B December 21, 2017 2:46 PM  

Tsalal wrote:-OT

I know AA of DS isn't that popular here, but I have to agree with his assessment of the commutation of Sholom Rubashkin. It is _very_ bad optics for the Merchants.


It looks as though how much time Rubashkin was sentenced to spend in prison – which is the only part of his sentence affected by President Trump's commutation – was excessive due to prosecutorial misconduct.

Which is in the news again what with it's being the grounds for the second mistrial in the Bundy trial.

Anonymous CloseHauled December 21, 2017 2:54 PM  

The liberal media is reporting his background as pedo and his slap on the wrist sentence.

That is the odd part.

Were mockingbirds told to get the message out? What kind of message do you send when you
kill innocents just to get one person? We don't give a f*ck and we are powerful.

Was this to keep the other pedos under federal indictment inline?


Have some of you here never heard of Operation Northwoods?


Q was saying 8/10 plane crashes are hits like the convenient one of JFK Jr. that allowed HRC and easy path to senator.


Anonymous CloseHauled December 21, 2017 3:10 PM  

@15
9. Cantostop December 21, 2017 7:42 AM
That's a ludicrous thing to say. Derailing a train and killing/injuring innocent people? Wow.

how do you know the others were innocent?
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Well, looking at the photo of one of the other people killed had me saying to myself "physiognomy can't be real".


Zack Willhoite, 35, and Jim Hamre, 61 -- it was their love of trains that kept them together

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/pierce-transit-employee-identified-as-victim-of-amtrak-train-derailment/

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article190533714.html

Anonymous CloseHauled December 21, 2017 3:31 PM  

>>139380

We were inspired by anons here to make our efforts more public.

Find the exchange 2 days ago.

Feel proud!

Q
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Which links to:
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/943866651803611136

Anonymous BBGKB December 21, 2017 3:59 PM  

Lost boys (((producer))) accused by 8 boys

http://www.towleroad.com/2017/12/gary-goddard-accused/

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 21, 2017 5:22 PM  

I personally know of one situation in which a man had a relationship with a woman that was not approved of. He was a "man of honor". A message was sent.

When he was in town away from his vehicle, all the lug nuts on his left front wheel were loosened. At the same time (within 30 minutes) there was a car crash in front of the woman's location that killed three people, multiple vehicle pileup and fire. It was not an accident, was caused when a vehicle rammed a car on the left rear quarter panel, "tipping" the car into the opposing lane. The vehicle that caused it left the scene and was not found.

Anyone on the outside could say it was a coincidence, but given the people involved, it was most definitely just a polite warning. Killing 3 people didn't mean jack to them and added to the effectiveness of the message.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf December 21, 2017 6:45 PM  

I think the correlation with the death of a pedophile is best interpreted as a coincidence. What I would like a followup on is ANTIFA. The article said the train was doing 80 in a 30 mph. Is that enough to derail a train? Why was it speeding?

Blogger Thucydides December 21, 2017 7:08 PM  

While rather entertaining, the multitude of conspiracy theories is getting ridiculous. These conspiracies set up the most difficult and improbable means of achieving an end possible, and generally don't even have a way of ensuring the actual end is carried out.

Need to stop someone from fleeing the US from an airport? Stop them at the check in counter while their ticket is being checked for a problem, or maybe tell the person they are eligible for a free upgrade. Then the police or special agents (or your team of thugs, if you want to go there) swoop in and remove the individual. Similar scenarios can be played out at other choke points, from the car rental counter to the boarding area as people are lined up to board the airplane.

Other conspiracy theories run into the same problems. Crashing a train is not a 100% guarantee that the person you want killed is going to be killed. We can go on.

Now the killing of Barry Sherman and his wife (the Canadian billionaire couple) is a far more convincing example of a conspiracy. The disappearance of James T. Hodgkinson or Stephen Paddock from the news and national consciousness is a very convincing example of a conspiracy of silence by the media, as well as the open questions which authorities have never answered.

And real conspiracies like Uranium One, the use of Clinton Foundation donations for "Pay to Play" access to the SoS, the role of the DNC in the so called Trump Dossier, the large scale spying on Americans by the Obama administration, the DWS IT scandal are fading from view as people chase these far more nebulous "theories" about Atlanta or the train.

Blogger Thucydides December 21, 2017 7:09 PM  

While rather entertaining, the multitude of conspiracy theories is getting ridiculous. These conspiracies set up the most difficult and improbable means of achieving an end possible, and generally don't even have a way of ensuring the actual end is carried out.

Need to stop someone from fleeing the US from an airport? Stop them at the check in counter while their ticket is being checked for a problem, or maybe tell the person they are eligible for a free upgrade. Then the police or special agents (or your team of thugs, if you want to go there) swoop in and remove the individual. Similar scenarios can be played out at other choke points, from the car rental counter to the boarding area as people are lined up to board the airplane.

Other conspiracy theories run into the same problems. Crashing a train is not a 100% guarantee that the person you want killed is going to be killed. We can go on.

Now the killing of Barry Sherman and his wife (the Canadian billionaire couple) is a far more convincing example of a conspiracy. The disappearance of James T. Hodgkinson or Stephen Paddock from the news and national consciousness is a very convincing example of a conspiracy of silence by the media, as well as the open questions which authorities have never answered.

And real conspiracies like Uranium One, the use of Clinton Foundation donations for "Pay to Play" access to the SoS, the role of the DNC in the so called Trump Dossier, the large scale spying on Americans by the Obama administration, the DWS IT scandal are fading from view as people chase these far more nebulous "theories" about Atlanta or the train.

Blogger IreneAthena December 21, 2017 9:26 PM  

If I knew I were to be denied the blessing of dying peacefully in my sleep, I might be consoled knowing I would die doing something I loved. Old time Christians were encouraged to pray for "a good death" and so, a great^x uncle of mine prayed he'd go out with his beloved team of horses. That's exactly what he did, when lightning hit his his wagon was struck by lightning--if family lore is accurate. What are the odds of that kind of prayer being answered? Perhaps lower than we know.

As to the third guy to die in the trainwreck--the perv--perhaps God was killing three birds with one stone.

Anonymous CloseHauled December 21, 2017 9:40 PM  

"Other conspiracy theories run into the same problems. Crashing a train is not a 100% guarantee that the person you want killed is going to be killed. We can go on."

It is 100% guaranteed when they are already dead (liked stuffed into the bathroom) before accident or "napping" in their seats.

The factions are sending each other messages. Q pointed this incident out as retaliation to ATL.
It is the only reason it interests me as a "coincidence" (pedo taken out that is spilling the beans on others).



Blogger AdognamedOp December 23, 2017 12:40 AM  

Is it possible the media put this out there to distract from the Antifa connection?

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