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Tuesday, January 09, 2018

A virtuous irrelevance

This is what it sounds like, when a moderate moderates:
Ethan Van Sciver@EthanVanSciver
TFW Vox Day condemns me and @DiversityAndCmx and as “moderates.”

😂

Ethan Van Sciver@EthanVanSciver
Extremists: Our hobby isn’t your cultural battleground.  You’re ruining comics.  Go away.
SJWs ruined comics. A single very specific type of extremist ruined comics. There are literally scores of varieties of extremists who had absolutely nothing to do with what has happened in the comics industry over the last three decades. As for me, how can I possibly have contributed to their ruination when I have been a professional comic book writer and publisher for all of one single day? Of course, the one comic I have written is an Amazon bestseller and hit the top 10 of all comics and graphic novels yesterday....

Nevertheless Van Sciver is wrong, because his hobby has become a cultural battleground and it has been one for longer than my own hobby of computer gaming has. And he is bound to fail, as per Sun Tzu, because he knows neither himself nor his enemy.

In less than one year, I expect that I will be a considerably more significant figure in the comics industry than Van Sciver. Not because I'm more talented, because I'm not. Not because I'm smarter, although I am. Simply because I understand the dire situation his heavily converged hobby is presently in and I am doing something about it, as the following review demonstrates.



UPDATE: Van Sciver allows that maybe, perhaps, Alt★Hero might not necessarily suck because politics. It's not as if Animal Farm and 1984 were artistic failures, after all.
Secular Blasphemy @SecBlasphemy
Why can't a right-wing comic also be a good comic? And Alt-Hero raised nearly a quarter mill, making it very clear what political direction it had. 'It's going to be right-wing!' is a shock to absolutely no one involved.

Ethan Van Sciver‏@EthanVanSciver
Yes, I know. Look, I’m buying it. I’ll read it. If it’s good I’ll say so.  It’ll be interesting to see if this publishing venture survives this market past the money raised to start it up.
Fair enough. All I ask of the doubters and skeptics is to look at what we're doing and judge it by the same standards they judge everything else. Look, we know, we absolutely know, that the SJWs are going to trash it to the greatest extent they believe they can do so without looking absurdly stupid. The best we can hope for from them is silence, which you will note is exactly how they greeted the literally unprecedented success of the crowdfunding campaign. And how they greeted the very successful launch of QUANTUM MORTIS A Man Disrupted #1: By the Book.

If you don't like the art, that's fine. If you genuinely think the story is boring or the characters are vanilla, so be it. If you think the politics overwhelm the story, hey, your mileage may vary. If you dislike me, get in line behind Google, Tor Books, Worldcon, and the SFWA. But, for your own sake, be honest about what it is that you don't like, even if the only thing you don't like is the fact that I'm the creator.

And as anyone who has read my fiction - as opposed to my non-fiction - knows, I'm not at all afraid to present different and opposing viewpoints in a realistic and sympathetic manner. I don't do so to curry favor with the other side, but because I think it makes for more interesting and more compelling storytelling.

UPDATE: Actually, looking at his art, he's pretty damn good. I wonder if he might like to work with Chuck Dixon? We can certainly provide him with better writing than DC is presently inflicting on him.

UPDATE: Ethan, I'm not pretending not to be mad at you. I'm not mad at all. I've even got a considerable quantity of work for you at a healthy page rate if you want it. And I'm not talking about Alt★Hero either.

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92 Comments:

Blogger My Dead Gramps January 09, 2018 5:03 AM  

It's as if those who are criticising your yet to be published fiction haven't read any of your already published fiction.

No kidding, it was Opera Vita Aeterna that turned this spergy atheist into a regular reader of this blog.

Blogger The Kurgan January 09, 2018 5:19 AM  

If this were an actual battle the hordes of VFM and various Dread Ilk Knights would be chomping at the bit to charge the enemy lines with such ferocity that it would be a massacre of SJWs without even token resistance.

Blogger pdwalker January 09, 2018 5:20 AM  

+1.

What an interesting year it’s going to be. I really hope the new comic titles blows the competition out of the water.

Off topic/non Castalia book plug: I got sucked into the Galaxys Edge series the other day. It’s excellent. I like how the authors are tying all the stories together.

Blogger L' Aristokrato January 09, 2018 5:25 AM  

The clockwork cuck!
I begin to despise them more than the actual SJWs.

Blogger James Jones January 09, 2018 5:31 AM  

The one thing I know is that the artwork for AltHero is excellent, and the writing is going to...

The two things I know is that the artwork for AltHero is excellent, and the writing is going to be top class, and the venture is guaranteed to be...

The three things I know is that the artwork for AltHero is excellent, and the writing is going to be top class, and the venture is guaranteed to be a success.

Nobody expects the AltHero Revolution.

Blogger James Jones January 09, 2018 5:32 AM  

A spergy atheist? A regular at this blog? Kudos to you Gramps.

Anonymous Voxday still reads Twitter January 09, 2018 5:34 AM  

Ah, Twitter. It still matters.

Blogger James Dixon January 09, 2018 5:48 AM  

I've read the book and tried to leave a review on Amazon. It hasn't shown up yet. :(

Blogger Lovekraft January 09, 2018 5:54 AM  

The SJWs have stolen the microphone and have forced the audience to 'listen and obey' using various threats. All while failing to recognize that this audience is dwindling and seeking ever more stimulation. So they rehash the same arguments that fail any scrutiny.

Along comes someone like VD who doesn't care what these usurpers think and just wants to be free to create something he knows the people truly want and need.

Remember this whenever you see criticism of the alt-right. The left isn't the ones who are oppressed. They aren't even really fighting for the disadvantaged. They are all about holding onto that microphone because it is the only real power they have at the moment, and it's slipping away.

As far as Van Scriver goes, he's likely 'fragile'. Someone to keep at arms length. Sure he can virtuesignaltweet, but he is the one who has to face reality eventually. D&C still has my support, for now.

Anonymous Rocklea January 09, 2018 5:54 AM  

"Extremists: Our hobby isn’t your cultural battleground. You’re ruining comics. Go away."

Oh dear, the sound of whining from the extreme centre of the Radical Lite.

Blogger wreckage January 09, 2018 6:07 AM  

Extremists of many kinds often write great fiction, music, etc.

SJW's aren't extremists is that sense; they're a grand crusade of the banal, beige, and boring.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 09, 2018 6:10 AM  

It's a terrible thing to be thrust into a war you're unprepared for. It's a worse thing to not notice you've been in a war for a very long time.

Blogger SteelPalm January 09, 2018 6:15 AM  

I have/had "conservative" friends like Ethan Van Sciver, some of whom unfriended me because of my support of nationalism or even of Trump.

Their behavior beggars belief; either they're utterly oblivious of what is going on in the world around them, or they're being willfully ignorant. Acting like right-wing and left-wing extremists are the same and equally responsible for the mess we're in, whether in comics or the US, isn't fair-minded, it's evil, as Ayn Rand noted back in the day.

(In fact, a tendency to equate two sides in a conflict, no matter the situation, is a mark of great evil)

These cucky moderates are in some ways even more delusional than SJWs are.

Anonymous vfm 0202 January 09, 2018 6:21 AM  

The only fair-minded approach is to declare war to the knife on conflict!

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 09, 2018 6:26 AM  

And with that, another institution is born. Good on ya. If the moderates aren't squealing then you aren't doing it right.

Anonymous vfm 0202 January 09, 2018 6:28 AM  

Yes, the Galaxy's Edge series structure is basically a level-up game scaling. You only ever have to retire the characters when the Bigger Badder becomes bathetic.

Speaking of never-retiring characters - I see a connection between long running ensemble dramas on the TruthBox and this regrettable trend in written fiction - or is it just lazynss / milking the franchise?

Anonymous Comic book nerd January 09, 2018 6:29 AM  

My hobby is beating off to virtue signals

Anonymous Also, the artwork is terrible. January 09, 2018 6:29 AM  

In less than one year, I will be a considerably more important figure in the comics industry than Van Scriver. Not because I'm more talented, because I'm not. Not because I'm smarter, although I am. But because I understand the dire situation his hobby is presently in and I am doing something about it, as the following review demonstrates.

Nobody cares about comics except the degenerate pedos who read comics into their 30s. And you seek to be their master.

Anonymous Sunderr January 09, 2018 6:33 AM  

Gammas can be so incapable is unbelievable. Everything you said about moderates is true. He just proved you right, and he'll never realize.

Blogger VD January 09, 2018 6:40 AM  

Voxday still reads Twitter

No, he doesn't. What part of "people send me emails" is hard for you morons to understand? I'm not Scalzi. Even if I was inclined to do so, I don't have the time to sit around Googling references to myself all day.

Forget Twitter, people have to let me know when a writer at Breitbart or The Spectator happen to mention me.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 09, 2018 6:42 AM  

Van Sciver, not Scriver.

Blogger James Dixon January 09, 2018 6:44 AM  

> Nobody cares about comics except the degenerate pedos who read comics into their 30s.

So you've already ordered multiple copies of the entire line.

Blogger VD January 09, 2018 6:44 AM  

Nobody cares about comics except the degenerate pedos who read comics into their 30s. And you seek to be their master.

The fifth-largest comics publisher has 4x the annual revenue of the largest SF publisher... if you only count their direct publishing revenue. You clearly have no idea how things work in either business or the cultural war.

When I said Castalia will be bigger than Tor Books, I meant it. And it's almost certainly going to happen much sooner than anyone believes possible. Do you really think I would have said something like that without having designed a way to do it? Do you think these things just mysteriously happen for no reason?

Blogger VD January 09, 2018 6:45 AM  

Van Sciver, not Scriver.

Whatever. I still have no idea who he is. Nor do I care.

Anonymous This is terrible. January 09, 2018 6:48 AM  

The artwork is terrible.

Twitter will have opinions.

Blogger VD January 09, 2018 6:50 AM  

No kidding, it was Opera Vita Aeterna that turned this spergy atheist into a regular reader of this blog.

I still think that's one of the best things I've ever written. It was the SF-SJW claims that it was terribly horribly written that confirmed for me that they have absolutely no ability to separate the political from the artistic.

And it still amazes me that NONE of them got the joke about medieval perspective in the second sentence. At first, I assumed they were just pretending not to get it. But eventually it became clear that they genuinely believed it to be a terrible metaphor.

Anonymous Rocklea January 09, 2018 6:51 AM  

"Twitter will have opinions."

Don't talk about fight club.

Anonymous Maybe Scalzi and you are both awful. January 09, 2018 6:52 AM  

VD wrote:
When I said Castalia will be bigger than Tor Books, I meant it. And it's almost certainly going to happen much sooner than anyone believes possible. Do you really think I would have said something like that without having designed a way to do it? Do you think these things just mysteriously happen for no reason?


It only tells me that you have designs on being bigger than Tor Books, and you decided to make this happen with comics.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 09, 2018 7:00 AM  

D&C will be dragged kicking and "smiling" into a new, much more entertaining, less converged comics future.

Blogger VD January 09, 2018 7:26 AM  

It only tells me that you have designs on being bigger than Tor Books, and you decided to make this happen with comics.

Not only with comics. That's just the offensive that you can see now. I don't intend to just be bigger than Tor Books, I intend to own them. Literally.

Anonymous Frank Lin January 09, 2018 7:27 AM  

Often true.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora January 09, 2018 7:30 AM  

Oh look, moderates posturing as superior because moderate. Again. How surprising.

Anonymous Rocklea January 09, 2018 7:32 AM  

"Not only with comics. That's just the offensive that you can see now. I don't intend to just be bigger than Tor Books, I intend to own them. Literally."

Will Scalzi keep his contract if he bends the knee?

Anonymous qualitycontrol January 09, 2018 7:37 AM  

>You’re ruining comics.

I thought comics were already ruined before Vox started Alt-Hero.

Blogger VD January 09, 2018 7:47 AM  

Will Scalzi keep his contract if he bends the knee?

I expect Macmillan will order his contract to be cut long before we're in a position to make a reasonable offer.

Anonymous ZhukovG January 09, 2018 7:48 AM  

Interesting, a thread about comics is attracting a surprising amount of flak. Perhaps comics are the 'soft underbelly' of the SJW Axis.

Something is definitely striking a nerve.

Blogger Shimshon January 09, 2018 7:55 AM  

When Scalzi is cut, he'll talk about going back to self-publishing as if it was his plan all along. Secret King for the win!

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 09, 2018 7:56 AM  

I'm so disgusted with humanity in general over the "unfriendings" that keep occurring. It really disgusts me that people can turn on friends of years just because someone supports our president. It's very upsetting because to my mind it hints that there was never a real friendship to begin with.

Anonymous DDT January 09, 2018 8:00 AM  

Ethan just put out another response, to being said that Alt*Hero having a right-wing slant wasn't a surprise, and that having a slant doesn't mean it'll be terrible:

"Yes, I know. Look, I’m buying it. I’ll read it. If it’s good I’ll say so. It’ll be interesting to see if this publishing venture survives this market past the money raised to start it up."

Anonymous JAG January 09, 2018 8:12 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:D&C will be dragged kicking and "smiling" into a new, much more entertaining, less converged comics future.

With a cough or two along the way.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 09, 2018 8:14 AM  

Does this guy want a pat on the head from the SJW? If the SJW have not produced this pat on the head then what does that tell us about them?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2018 8:17 AM  

Imagine US troops rolling into a French village in WWII and being told by the villagers: ``Our home isn't your battleground. Go away, and stop shooting back at the Germans.''

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 09, 2018 8:18 AM  

So the collapsing comic book industry dwarfs the scifi books biz, wow. If you need some VC for that takeover let me go hit the coach and get me some of this action.

Blogger Johnny January 09, 2018 8:19 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:Interesting, a thread about comics is attracting a surprising amount of flak. Perhaps comics are the 'soft underbelly' of the SJW Axis.

Something is definitely striking a nerve.


Virtue agendas that are artificial have to go unchallenged because if people start to think the whole thing falls apart. Thus the need lockstep conformity. Any disagreeable person who goes uncondemned is a hazard to these people.

Blogger Desdichado January 09, 2018 8:24 AM  

It's the same vibe as Sad Puppies all over again. When Sad Puppies started, it was an interesting development. The first year it was really on the opponent's radar, it was fascinating. But that's also when we found out who was just in it for the laughs and was unable to recognize that this is a real culture war battlefield and that it has real consequences.

For me, it had the opposite effect; Sad Puppies made it obvious how necessary Rabid Puppies really were. A lot of other sad-faced hand-wringers just wanted the whole problem to go away.

Virtue-signaling and wishful thinking aren't going to restore our stolen birthright. You have to actually fight back. And that means more than coining clever words like superversive; you actually have to be controversially superversive.

Blogger VD January 09, 2018 8:28 AM  

For me, it had the opposite effect; Sad Puppies made it obvious how necessary Rabid Puppies really were.

(nods) Conflict has a way of reliably unmasking the fighters from the frauds.

Blogger Anno Ruse January 09, 2018 8:43 AM  

I didn't know Ethan Van Sciver as anything other than a familiar comic book name. Googled him and one of the first results is "Ethan Van Sciver is Not a Nazi". Apparently he likes tweeting and drawing edgy things. I'm sure that won't backfire on him.

Anonymous Matvei Daniilovich January 09, 2018 8:57 AM  



The Comics world contains some of the strangest people you'll ever meet. Light years ahead of the Daily Stormer crew.

Blogger James Dixon January 09, 2018 9:04 AM  

> I don't intend to just be bigger than Tor Books, I intend to own them. Literally.

Castalia House with the rights to the old Daw books? Awesome.

> I thought comics were already ruined before Vox started Alt-Hero.

They largely were. More importantly, the people who want to make good comics are now being denied an outlet for doing so. That's what Vox hopes to correct.

> Perhaps comics are the 'soft underbelly' of the SJW Axis.

Comics are the gateway to children's imagination. Get comics, get the kids. They know this.

> It's very upsetting because to my mind it hints that there was never a real friendship to begin with.

Wars tend to have that effect. And yes, this is a war. It has been for some time, but only one side was fighting. The reactions when we had the temerity to start fighting back were predictable.

Anonymous the abe January 09, 2018 9:08 AM  

This is the social media equivalent of that kid in high school you didn't know that well (but kinda liked) picking a fight with a good friend that's also an after-school mudhole stomper.

Ethan's work on "Green Lantern: Rebirth" was electric after they managed to run Kyle Rainer into the ground. His art and Geoff Johns' writing briefly sucked me back into getting my wallet gouged monthly. Seeing Batman get cold-cocked is worth buying the TPB, alone.

Three summers and a thousand years ago, when I worked briefly at a comic store, I debated the creeping SJW adulteration of comics with the store manager. In a nation that was (then) still broadly 80% Western European by descent, why would virtually every non-legacy character to come along, conveniently be ethnically fashionable? She at least made the semi-lucid point that inner-city demographics were more vibrant.

Observing the Supreme Dark Lord turn the jaundiced eye of an uploaded super intelligence onto the malaise of Comicdom, has caused me to retrace the nascence and trajectory of convergence.

It's arguable it was there from the inception. IIRC, "75 Years of Marvel Comics" mentioned Superman was initially concerned with "social justice" (the first time I recall hearing the phrase), before he was co-opted for "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" as we knew him to be, growing up. Wonder Woman's creator was a raging SJW long before it was fashionable.

The US and UK successfully toned down the subversive inclinations with the Comics Code Authority and banning of importing "horror comics", respectively.

It's saddening to accede my personal favourite comics author, Chris Claremont, is responsible modern advent of SJW convergence in comics. The relaunch of Uncanny X-Men is arguably the Trojan Horse from which modern comics have fallen.

At least then, the "Diversity" was actually grounded in variety. Storm was a tribal princess in Africa. Forge and Thunderbird were actually Native Americans. Nightcrawler was German. Colossus was a farm boy from the USSR. Shadowcat was a nice Jewish girl from a religious family. The character’s ethnicity’s were just an accoutrement and not the raison d’être of the story. The characters, while "exotic" at the time, were none the less just as flawed and multi-faceted as their WASPy predecessors.

In a lot of ways, X-Men then reads more like the wish fulfilment of cuckservatives, than textbook convergence we witness today.

Never the less, the departure of Claremont and (Jim Shooter more broadly), followed the dogshit writing of Scott Lobdell and Fabian Nicieza. With Professor X getting shot while giving a rendition of MLK's dream speech, updated to include gender-benders and homosexuals in X-cutioner's Song arc. Along with a thinly veiled AIDs acceptance McGuffin, "the Legacy Virus", which not even the creators could be bothered with fleshing out into a viable plot device.

In short, comics as we knew them really died in the 90s. Just nobody was paying attention then because Disney and Warner Brothers hadn't made any major pushes to monetize them like now.

Alt*Comics scored a coup Chuck Dixon. Oddly enough, The end of his run on Batman and my interest in the character coincided.

Hypothetically, a troika of Dixon, Jim Shooter, and Neal Adams at Alt*Comics would make a fantastic "Pariah's Revenge" chapter in the annals of Comics history.

Anonymous Causal Lurker January 09, 2018 9:18 AM  

After the Sad Puppies campaign started, I took a better look at award winners and reasons. Short summary: Ick. That's also about the time I declined to buy any non-essential Tor or Macmillan products. I found high quality stories and vastly better writing at Castalia House and Baen, and at independent writers associated with or linked to these publishers' writers. Why go elsewhere?

Interesting; depends on when Macmillan or its owner decides that Tor is too much of a revenue drain, and the catalog asset value is insufficient to prop it up. Continued "awards" for debasing and destroying their product will accelerate public recognition of the trend.

Sometimes you just blast the walls down, and sometimes they wreck the gates on their own.

Blogger jaericho January 09, 2018 9:28 AM  

I don't intend to just be bigger than Tor Books, I intend to own them. Literally.

Oh, what a day that will be!

Blogger Desdichado January 09, 2018 9:31 AM  

Hypothetically, a troika of Dixon, Jim Shooter, and Neal Adams at Alt*Comics would make a fantastic "Pariah's Revenge" chapter in the annals of Comics history.

Is Neal Adams a pariah in the comics world? I admit that I'm more familiar with his Ballentine Tarzan covers, although I knew he was also a comic book artist.

Anonymous Nathan January 09, 2018 9:33 AM  

"Interesting; depends on when Macmillan or its owner decides that Tor is too much of a revenue drain, and the catalog asset value is insufficient to prop it up."

I'm already seeing that the Macmilian science fiction books that are likely to be bigger hits are being published by the St. Martin's imprint, not Tor.

Blogger Salt January 09, 2018 9:40 AM  

Towards the end... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpVjdfm61ug
"ETHAN VAN SCIVER vs VOX DAY, CYBERFROG RESERVOIR FROG #1 commentary, more goofy twitter SJWs"

Anonymous Matvei Daniilovich January 09, 2018 9:46 AM  

Desdichado wrote:Hypothetically, a troika of Dixon, Jim Shooter, and Neal Adams at Alt*Comics would make a fantastic "Pariah's Revenge" chapter in the annals of Comics history.

Is Neal Adams a pariah in the comics world? I admit that I'm more familiar with his Ballentine Tarzan covers, although I knew he was also a comic book artist.


It would be very interesting to see Jim Shooter & Vox together. They would either become best friends or kill each other.

Blogger VD January 09, 2018 9:54 AM  

"ETHAN VAN SCIVER vs VOX DAY, CYBERFROG RESERVOIR FROG #1 commentary, more goofy twitter SJWs"

How easily do people think I get upset? FFS, I ignored Scalzi and company taking potshots at me for what, eight years? Not only am I not angry, but I wouldn't even hesitate to hire the guy as an illustrator. I certainly don't agree with his naive take on SJWs, but he isn't an SJW and he's a good artist, and that's all that matters to me.

(thinks about it) To be honest, I would probably hire an SJW illustrator if he was exceptional. I wouldn't hire an SJW writer, though. They can't help but be subversive; the illustrator is just going to draw the usual hidden penises and naked women somewhere. But in my experience, all illustrators do that. They can't seem to help it.

Anonymous TheTruthIsNeverAcceptable January 09, 2018 9:56 AM  

My Dead Gramps wrote:...No kidding, it was Opera Vita Aeterna that turned this spergy atheist into a regular reader of this blog.


Welcome. I wonder, did you identify with the unbeliever Bessarias in the story? If so, may your life mirror his and blessings be to you.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti January 09, 2018 10:01 AM  

It really disgusts me that people can turn on friends of years just because someone supports our president. It's very upsetting because to my mind it hints that there was never a real friendship to begin with.

There is undeniably some truth to this. On the other hand, there's a civil war coming--I think you have to be stupid not to see it at this point--and civil wars have a way of setting even brothers against each other. So I think a lot of the "unfriending" is a consequence of battle lines being drawn. It's one thing to be friends with someone who has a very different political ideology than you. It's quite another thing to be friends with someone whom you expect will shortly be trying to kill you.

Conflict has a way of reliably unmasking the fighters from the frauds.

Not to toot my own horn or anything but my first interaction with you here was to question the necessity of ethnic separation. At the time I would have seen myself as NRx-leaning with classical liberal instincts, just wanting to be left alone. Now I own a high powered battle rifle (never fired a gun before a few months ago) and train weekly because I intend to be useful.

Blogger dh January 09, 2018 10:05 AM  

They can't help

I think this must be true. I had a problem with a technical writer who was excessively SJW while writing what was essentially extended code comments.

Anonymous Tyson January 09, 2018 10:06 AM  

shooter would fit in fine when Avalon has a bigger stable. He has a low tolerance for prima donnas and high thirst for quality and deadlines.

I believe Ethan is known for hidding messages in his art. Is this the same guy who drew "sex" in New x-men?

Blogger VD January 09, 2018 10:12 AM  

I believe Ethan is known for hidding messages in his art.

In 25 years of computer game development, I've yet to meet an artist who doesn't.

Anonymous the abe January 09, 2018 10:16 AM  

@52. Desdichado

He's certainly not "legendary" pariah status as Jim Shooter. But he is definitely a mercurial talent that chaffed his way into obscurity. Check out his theory of the "Expanding Earth" if you need a Robert Anton Wilson Exercize/Gedanken experiment. It's so absurd, it just might be right ;)

55. Matvei Daniilovich

Ha! Yes, I paused long and hard to try and flesh that thought out before posting. Jim Shooter is the architect of Marvel's revival in the Eighties and did fantastic work with Valiant Comics in the Nineties. He seems to have a knack (like Vox) of pissing off all the right people.

He was also instrumental in keeping the "post-modern morality" shit to shoe-level while he was at the helm of Marvel. Right and wrong had consequences on his watch.

He expected his talent to respect the medium and respect the audience (f'ing impressionable kids, for crying out loud). Anybody else notice that being missing, lately?

Blogger Johnny January 09, 2018 10:27 AM  

The fifth-largest comics publisher has 4x the annual revenue of the largest SF publisher...

Wow. I never would have guessed. Sounds more like SiFi dead than comics alive.

A corollary to war being necessary to find out who is on your side is that you find out what somebody really thinks when they respond in anger. The angry response will produce a brief and unvarnished view of their real opinion.

Anonymous franklinjennings January 09, 2018 11:02 AM  

@41. That's actually pretty much what happened overall. No need to imagine it. The French Resistance is a meme. RTR!

Anonymous Avalanche January 09, 2018 11:11 AM  

Started just writing this here -- and then decided also to throw it up on Amazon as my review. (I don't usually write an AMZ review until AFTER I have read the whole thing -- but the bits shown in the video REALLY got me thinking about the production (and quality) -- cause I already know the plot!)

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Comics newbie here, and I have read and deeply enjoyed the novel Quantum Mortis: A Man Disrupted. (I have bought the graphic novel but not yet read it, and I just watched Man of the West's video review.) I'm a technical editor by profession, so both the gestalt and the details of written and drawn material matters. (I often joke that the editorial eye never sleeps -- which can be a real pain in pleasure reading, especially nowadays when so few know good / formal written English!)

From just the few pages shown in the review, it's fascinating to see how (and how well) the characters, locale, and plot are "introduced." The two AIs with different color (bubbles? you call them?) make clear whose AI is "speaking."
Faces are drawn -- but not completely. (I noticed that in one frame (?) the girl's NOSE was two dots -- no outlines -- and yet it worked perfectly. Way to go, artists!)

Man of the West's description (he didn't shown one that I noticed, in his review) of 'uncrowded' (essentially, plain background) frames (which he says fit nicely in the overall book) described what I would call in designing graphics a 'resting space' for the eyes -- as well as putting the focus on the text in that frame.

From just a 'sideways glance' through someone else's page-choice, this first 'leap' into graphic novels (and comics) by the Arkhaven imprint from Castalia House is brilliant! I look forward to reading this first book (and I may update this review once I have) and also reading the future Quantum Mortis novels and graphic novels of them!

(Also really REALLY looking forward to the Alt*Hero comics when they come out next month!)

Blogger S. Misanthrope January 09, 2018 11:18 AM  

I enjoyed A Man Disrupted the novel, so I will pick up the graphic novel as well. I hope there are some cool designs for the aliens.

The Dark Lord is clearly a forgiving Lord. Ethan and D&C attacked you with provocation. If they're skeptical of the Alt*Hero idea, fine, but they ignorantly lashed out like the very SJWs they criticize. I'm glad Ethan's head has cooled, at least, and yes, he is very talented.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2018 11:36 AM  

franklinjennings wrote:@41. That's actually pretty much what happened overall. No need to imagine it. The French Resistance is a meme. RTR!

There were probably hundreds of French Resistance fighters during the war, and hundreds of thousands after the war. Still, I heard that the Froggies generally gave American troops a nice welcome when they showed up, and didn't start complaining about their presence until days later.

Blogger Lazarus January 09, 2018 11:47 AM  

That was the weirdest job interview I have ever seen.

Blogger Michael January 09, 2018 11:48 AM  

Here's hoping you can hire Frank Cho for something eventually. He keeps getting in trouble with the "outrage" crowd because of his pathological need and unquestioned ability to portray comic book women as attractive.

Blogger Brad Matthews January 09, 2018 12:11 PM  

Our hobby is not your cultural battleground.

That will not hold up well.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 09, 2018 12:22 PM  

First, Vox is seeing penises and naked women everywhere. Sad. Second now I feel like a slacker after listening to that review. The guy knew what he was talking about for twenty minutes. Third, I reviewed this yesterday morning and my review still hasn't shown up.

Blogger Jon Mollison January 09, 2018 1:07 PM  

@68: Ha!

The best part about these posts is Vox telling his enemies his plans. They are standing on the tracks, refusing to believe the SDL Express is heading their way despite the flashing lights and ear-piercing horn blasts. They just stand there laughing and pointing and refusing to believe until all they have left is a meaningless pink hat parade to help dry their tears. Glorious.

Blogger tublecane January 09, 2018 1:11 PM  

"Extremists: our hobby isn't your cultural battleground"

Yes it is.

In any case, if you wish it not to be, you're merely ceding it to the left extreme. Because they're already in possession of the ground.

"You're ruining comics"

I can't say for certain, because I don't read comics now and I didn't read them before the industry was converged. But I'm pretty sure they're already ruined.

Blogger tublecane January 09, 2018 1:16 PM  

Why does he put "moderates" in mockery quotes, as if it's unusual or notable, when he's talking "far"-this, "far"-that, and condemning "extremists?"

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 09, 2018 1:32 PM  

Here's hoping you can hire Frank Cho for something eventually. He keeps getting in trouble with the "outrage" crowd because of his pathological need and unquestioned ability to portray comic book women as attractive.

"Attractive" is an understatement. "Spectacularly and overtly sexualized" is more like it.

Blogger tublecane January 09, 2018 1:44 PM  

@74-I never liked that terms "sexualized." As if people have to be made sexy, or assigned a sex role deliberately. As if our natural state as humans was to be unisex, or something.

It's like the whole "objectification" thing. Inside my head women start out as objects. I don't need to make them into objects.

Okay, one must take into account cultural context, I suppose. Women in a Shaker community don't draw attention to their sexuality. And if a female walked down the street wearing stereotypically comic book girlish attire, she'd be arrested. Unless it was Halloween.

Once again, this is about who gets to define the context. Used to be, erotic and merely feminine images were normal in comic books. So artists weren't going out of their way to "sexualize" women. They were showing women as sexual, which they are in reality.

Before SJWs took over, they were the ones going out of their way to de-sexualize women. To make them unattractive and masculine on purpose. Of course, some women are unattractive and masculine. But what happened to the scores of women who stand out as women and inspire sexual attraction by their very presence? They had to be excluded or downplayed on purpose.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 09, 2018 1:45 PM  

I never liked that terms "sexualized."

You know, I'll give you that one. Never thought about it before.

Blogger tublecane January 09, 2018 1:53 PM  

@33-I think the point is that to people like this, Vox is equivalent to the people who already ruined comics. Because extremists.

See, it doesn't matter if you're on the left-extreme or the right-extreme. They're the same. Identity of opposites and all that.

This is how the moderate mind works. And this is why everyone who knows better hates them.

I had a professor in college who asked what was the Golden Mean between shooting someone and leaving them alone. That's what moderates are trying to figure out.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel January 09, 2018 2:14 PM  

" had a professor in college who asked what was the Golden Mean between shooting someone and leaving them alone. That's what moderates are trying to figure out."

That's perfect.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 09, 2018 4:29 PM  

I would define "sexualized" as "portraying the most attractive sexual qualities to potential viewers".

There is some room for surreality in that area, and some people definitely cross it, yet you can definitely make an extremely "sexualized" depiction of a person and have it be pretty much exactly like a real (but very fortunate) person.

With that understanding, I have no problem whatsoever with "sexualization" of characters, because there are real people like that. Making it intentionally surreal though, I would immediately say that belongs in pornography, if anywhere at all.

Then you realize that women have already done that to themselves for thousands of years. What are cosmetics? If it's not sticking solely to hiding blemishes, it's portraying characteristics that aren't there (and are perhaps not possible). Now you have a whole other dynamic of how much people can modify themselves (without compromising their health).

All in all, I have to come down with this precise line: If it's not a portrayal of sexual degeneracy (on the part of the portrayer), it should probably be left alone.

"had a professor in college who asked what was the Golden Mean between shooting someone and leaving them alone."

As for that, anything north of leaving them alone means they cannot be left alone. If that is the case, the golden mean is the minimal coercion necessary to sufficiently alter their state of being. If that minimal coercion is a stern talking to, great. If that minimal coercion involves their death though, and the problem is sufficiently common, they should probably be made an example of for other malefactors.

Just about anyone in the military would be familiar with this as proper use of deadly force. They (guardposts and such) largely aren't concerned with immediate political ramifications however, so they wouldn't even mention anything about "making examples".

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 09, 2018 5:17 PM  

"... be honest about what it is that you don't like ..."

That's a mighty big ask from that lot.

Anonymous Killua January 09, 2018 5:19 PM  

I am sure Alt Hero will be a massive hit!

Anonymous The Observer January 09, 2018 10:17 PM  

Ethan, I'm not pretending not to be mad at you. I'm not mad at all. I've even got a considerable quantity of work for you at a healthy page rate if you want it. And I'm not talking about Alt★Hero either.

Nope, I think this counts as a "no" from Ethan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GjO1AYXpRs

Blogger Dave January 09, 2018 10:18 PM  

VOX DAY vs. EVS part 2 Ya boi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=88&v=3GjO1AYXpRs

Appreciates the multiple job offers however he's happy with DC.

Questioned if you're prepared to work with Diamond.

Blogger Dave January 09, 2018 10:20 PM  

Ah beat to the punch by The Observer.

Blogger wreckage January 10, 2018 1:02 AM  

@67, depending on which army liberated a given town, there are places in France where an Ozzie can STILL get free drinks. I'm sure it's true of Americans too. You have to remember that there are three Tolkienesque races of French: Provincial, Parisian, and Ruling Class (which means Bureaucrat).

Each of them vehemently hates the others.

Blogger Akulkis January 10, 2018 2:10 AM  

To the French, speaking English is a forgivable sin, but speaking English in a native speaker's accent is unforgivable.

Blogger VD January 10, 2018 2:35 AM  

Questioned if you're prepared to work with Diamond.

So many people lack imagination or the ability to think outside the box. We have absolutely no need whatsoever to work with Diamond. And yes, we are aware of their quasi-monopoly.

Blogger Johnny January 10, 2018 11:00 AM  

Capn Cummings has a logical disconnect that I find irritating. The thing is you can't refute it because sorting it out quickly gets so long that its tedious and nobody wants to hear it.

I don't detect illogic in Van Sciver, but he is too over the top, too obviously a critic trying to be negative. He would be more convincing if he would tone it down. I like his drawing ability.

Ultimately it is what the market likes and you find that out with sales. While I hate the word diversity I like that there is a diversity of styles in what you are putting out. Makes for a better learning process based on what sells.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 10, 2018 12:06 PM  

tublecane wrote:Inside my head women start out as objects. I don't need to make them into objects.
Inside my head, everyone is an object.

Blogger boonmee January 12, 2018 12:34 AM  

Inside my head, everyone is an object.

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