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Wednesday, January 31, 2018

All ur rhetoric are belong to us

"Americans are Dreamers too." Magnificent. Since some who don't speak rhetoric were obviously confused by this, let me explain what the God-Emperor was doing when he said that last night, and why it infuriated Democrats and the media.

During the height of GamerGate, the Ghazis, as the SJWs who actively opposed GamerGate called themselves, frequently tried to introduce new anti-GG hashtags. Every time they did, we promptly flooded those hashtags with pro-GG memes, thereby converting their hashtag into ours. We did this so frequently that it spawned a meme of its own - ALL YOUR HASHTAGS ARE BELONG TO US - and eventually demoralized them so completely that they gave up trying to generate new hashtags.


What the President did last night during the State of the Union speech was steal the media's hashtag with regards to illegal aliens. And they know it. 
Trump’s biggest insult to immigrants in his State of the Union. The president pulled an “All Lives Matter” on DREAMers. Miss that reference, and this passage is just standard Trumpian “America First” boilerplate: the idea that America has put immigrants ahead of its own citizens, and that Trump is showing love for Americans by calling for fewer immigrants to be allowed to join them. But it’s in fact something more pointed: an attempt to reclaim the label of “dreamer” from the group that has used it for the last 17 years.
Perhaps more importantly, he also promised a Congressman that he would, "100 percent", release the Nunes memo. The lesson, as always, is wait patiently and assume that President Trump knows what he is doing. It's been three years now. Have you learned nothing?

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174 Comments:

Blogger The Kurgan January 31, 2018 4:16 AM  

He really IS a very stable genius.
Awesome.

Anonymous Anonymous January 31, 2018 4:27 AM  

"Americans are Dreamers too." Magnificent.

Donald Trump is magnificent. I wonder what IQ he has.

He certainly learned a lot working in the NYC cut-throat jungle of real estate for all those years.

I had given up on the U.S. and Western Civilization in general ... until recently. Go Donald go.

Blogger tublecane January 31, 2018 4:29 AM  

Trump actually stole a stolen "hashtag," because the DREAM Act was obviously a reference to the American Dream. The American Dream of course used to be the property of Senior Americans, not immigrants. Trump reclaimed it, as we hope to reclaim the country.

You don't have to speak rhetoric to see how brilliant it was. Lefties freaked out in real time, and already, without seeking them out, I've encountered various articles by triggered leftists virtually begging Trump to leave dreams alone.

I mentioned in another thread that someone tried to defend Dreamers' claim on dreaming by comparing it to the Black Lives Matter slogan. That movement might as well be a terrorist group to many normal Americans.

You can't pay people to put their feet in their mouths like that, and Trump gets them to do it spontaneously, multiple times a day.

Anonymous JAG January 31, 2018 4:29 AM  

It has dawned on a very select few on the left that POTUS Trump is far more intelligent than they estimated.

The rest of the left will never allow themselves to believe the G-E to be anything other than a bumbling idiot.

That wall, and voter fraud crack downs, will be game over for the Democrats in anything other than the Clinton Archipelago.

Blogger tublecane January 31, 2018 4:37 AM  

I realize Vox isn't intended for the general public, but what kind of fool compares illegal immigrants as Dreamers to "Black Lives Matter" as an argument *against* Trump's usage? Are they seriously unaware how unpopular BLM is? Don't they know BLM was one of the major reasons Hillary lost?

Actually, now that I think about it, they don't know that. Because they've been blaming Hillary's failure on Russia, WikiLeaks, Comey, you-name-it. Anything but Clinton herself.

Blogger kh123 January 31, 2018 4:37 AM  

"...showing love for Americans by calling for fewer immigrants to be allowed to join them."

Would be fair to say vox.com has difficulty grasping the concept of supply and demand.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 31, 2018 4:45 AM  

What Kurgan said. The President brought his A Game last night.

Blogger tublecane January 31, 2018 4:45 AM  

By the way, that article cites as justification for blacktivists' monopoly on "lives matter" rhetoric the fact that they're pointing out "the reality that not everyone is equal."

That is literally the last thing anyone on the left ever wants to admit. (I know what they meant, but couldn't resist.)

Blogger kh123 January 31, 2018 4:49 AM  

...And how can vox.com deny anyone employment opportunities within the hallowed halls of their sausage factory? Wouldn't that be showing hate for everyone that they didn't allow to weekly stir their informative fleshpots, and an excessive - delusional even - isolationism for their current crop of muck racking hacks? Why is vox.com allowing exclusionary hate to trump inclusive love?

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 31, 2018 4:50 AM  

I'm humbled. When my enthusiasm over that line was attacked last night, I hadn't the patience to reply.

As usual, the Supreme Dark Lord's expansive graciousness exceeds my own ...

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 31, 2018 4:59 AM  

@3 "I had given up on the U.S. and Western Civilization in general ... until recently."

Me too. I'm not yet ready to fully succumb to optimism BUT the temptation to do so has grown stronger in the last few months. This was something I never expected.

Anonymous normally a lurker January 31, 2018 5:15 AM  

Convincing themselves that Trump is a demented, orange-colored racist moron who spends his time watching the Gorilla Channel continues to bite them in the ass hard.

Blogger jijijeac January 31, 2018 6:10 AM  

he capitulated on DACA and allowed a path to citizenship to almost 2 million illegals from Mexico. We are being fooled by this good cop bad cop game played by the globalists. Trump's a globalist shill who writes edgy tweets on twitter. Nothing more nothing else.

Blogger Sherwood family January 31, 2018 6:28 AM  

And how can this be? For he is the Kwisatz Haderach! Seriously, the GE CAN kill with a word.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 6:33 AM  

> he capitulated on DACA and allowed a path to citizenship to almost 2 million illegals from Mexico.

Liar. He's done nothing but offer a deal he knows won't be taken.

Blogger Cleveland Screamer January 31, 2018 6:33 AM  

@14 He capitulated on DACA? More like he called the D's bluff and proved that they really don't want to solve it.

Blogger jijijeac January 31, 2018 6:48 AM  

@James Dixon and Cleveland Screamer

he gave a pathway to citizenship to twice the number of illegals the dems even asked for. If his measure gets accepted over two million illegal mexicans become american citizens within the next time frame. And that's not even counting how many children they will have and how many family members they bring from latam countries. This is a long term measure that will change the face of the USA for the long run. A petty conflict between the repubs and dems is irrelevant. What's relevant is that Trump does just what a globalist rhino shill would have done. He broke one of his main campaign promises and now he is not kicking out the millions of DACA's although he could that by executive order.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 31, 2018 6:51 AM  

normally a lurker wrote:Convincing themselves that Trump is a demented, orange-colored racist moron who spends his time watching the Gorilla Channel continues to bite them in the ass hard.

Yep. Usually when you successfully sandbag someone you only get away with it for a short time. Once you start kicking their ass they realize they've been had.

But the left will never reach that realization. They just can't. And Trump will continue to own them. (Not that he necessarily wouldn't anyway, but this makes it so much easier.)

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 6:53 AM  

Every time the cameras zeroed-in on Pelosi I was certain she was going to burst into a million rabid, cud-chewing Chihuahuas.

James Dixon wrote:> he capitulated on DACA and allowed a path to citizenship to almost 2 million illegals from Mexico.

Liar. He's done nothing but offer a deal he knows won't be taken.


And even if they did take it, 12 years is a lot of rope.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 6:53 AM  

> he gave a pathway to citizenship to twice the number of illegals the dems even asked for.

Liar. He's done nothing because he can't do anything. Congress has to pass the law.

> If his measure gets accepted...

If... And if you weren't lying... But you are, so...

Anonymous ZhukovG January 31, 2018 6:54 AM  

Our beloved Emperor was brilliant. That some of our comrades freaked out over it was odd to watch.

Also, if a new name shows up and says something that pisses you off, it's probably a talking poo.

Ad Victoriam, Ave Imperator Trump!

Anonymous Uncle John's Band January 31, 2018 6:55 AM  

Let's see. Zero engagement with the text of the speech or any comments here, mindless hyperbole that seems cut and pasted from a different forum... It's like the poop started wearing an ID tag.

Among other things, the rhetoric defines a simple, easy to grasp, categorical relationship by establishing that the state of being a "dreamer" is not sufficient to make you an American. This dovetails with his repeated emphases on prioritizing America and Americans over other interests throughout the speech. Everybody dreams; the president's concern are the American ones.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 6:56 AM  

Americans are Dreamers too.

Yeah, that gave me the vapors.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 31, 2018 7:00 AM  

People who really can't understand complex political maneuvering shouldn't comment on it; especially in a rash and emotional manner. And I include myself among those who really can't see it all clearly. But my faith in Trump's ability and intentions has grown. That, combined with people like Vox helping me see through the machinations, has given me some peace through this.

Most people can't begin to understand how these power structures, and the politics around them, work. We still have people on the right who think Trump can just go in there and impose his will unilaterally and succeed. It wouldn't work as the People (most) aren't ready for that and would resent it and be easily convinced that he's "literally Hitler."

It's not a short game. It's a long game that not many would be able to pull off against the forces aligned against us. Trump can win this, but it won't be easy, or fast. Accept that - or wallow in your despair.

Blogger jijijeac January 31, 2018 7:01 AM  

@James dixon

>Liar. He's done nothing because he can't do anything. Congress has to pass the law.

He is the president. He can give as many EO as he wants and has the power to enact most of the legislation he wants. Moreover he can at least try. Trying to pass onto congress the responsability of giving millions of illegal aliens a pathway to citizenship is useless given that Trump also promotes the message.

>If... And if you weren't lying... But you are, so...

Its the same globalist bad cop good cop game.dems allow millions of illegals in-> Repub gets portrayed as Hitler->repubs offer amnesty to millions of illegals-> Dems accept it silently-> when dems come to power they claim "but literally hitler gave a pathway to citizenship to millions of illegals surely we as progressives can do a lot more".

If anything Trump just enacted the same type of policy that jeb,hillary or Obama would have done and moved the USA closer to becoming a shithole.

Blogger Anchorman January 31, 2018 7:08 AM  

Trump has been teaching the GOP how to fight. That could be his greatest legacy, if they humble themselves and admit their tactics (those of the GOP NEVERTRUMPers) simply don't work and only encourage the Left.

Anonymous Laz January 31, 2018 7:08 AM  

"And how can this be? For he is the Kwisatz Haderach! Seriously, the GE CAN kill with a word."

The Kwisatz Haderach also started a jihad that encompassed all of humanity.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 31, 2018 7:08 AM  

@22,

"Our beloved Emperor was brilliant. That some of our comrades freaked out over it was odd to watch."

Speaking of, did the deplorable rubber ducky calm the f@#$ down yet?

When the President pulled out the "Americans are Dreamers too" I was in awe. It was like watching an old, master Matador staring down the biggest, angriest bull. Then, the matador fakes with his big red cape, dodges and then, somehow just prove he can do it, gores the bull with its own damn horn.

Masterful and epic.

Anonymous Uncle John's Band January 31, 2018 7:20 AM  

@29

The line floored me when he dropped it. The term "dreamer" had become so corrupted; I never imagined he would utterly upend the rhetoric like that.

Blogger Rick January 31, 2018 7:22 AM  

The guy with the crutches was iconic. Holding up the Tiny Tim crutches. If that’s not an FU to the dems..
As a small business owner during the previous two terms, just surviving “that country” was a triumph. Can identify.

Blogger Fred January 31, 2018 7:23 AM  

I especially liked the visuals proving the point of the meme "A parent should never have to bury a child who was killed by an illegal immigrant"

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 31, 2018 7:24 AM  

Also, the President's singling out of the Police Officer from Albuquerque and his wife adopting the drug addict's baby.

Such a subtle, sharp shiv to the ribs of the Pro-Abortion crowd. This from arguably the most Pro-Life President in my lifetime.

Loved. It.

Blogger Amy January 31, 2018 7:25 AM  

This makes me want to print T-shirts for the kid. “Dreamer” Or would “American Dreamer” be better?

The extra $480 a month showing up in the paycheck is nice too. Hail the GE

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 31, 2018 7:26 AM  

@30,

And it was so elegant, like a rapier. (I know I keep mixing my metaphors. I'm too short for that ride.)

Four simple words: Americans Are Dreamers Too.

Blogger Rick January 31, 2018 7:27 AM  

Also, the GE did not merely capture the Dreamer flag. He RECLAIMED it. The key word in MAGA is “again”. And that’s the part that every real American identifies with.
It’s why you got Trump.

Blogger Koanic January 31, 2018 7:27 AM  

12 years? The USA only has 15 left anyway, after which presumably angry gringos will erase Mexico. I don't think it much matters whether they are North Mexicans or South.

Blogger Sherwood family January 31, 2018 7:29 AM  

I hope the God Emperor WILL start a jihad against stupid globalist policies that favor a bloated cosmopolitan elite at the expense of the people who live in the country.

Blogger Lazarus January 31, 2018 7:33 AM  

They forever remind us of what we should never ever forget. The people dreamed this country. The people own this country. It is the people who are making America great again.

crowd chants: USA!USA!....

(exit Luis Gutierrez stage rear)

Anonymous VFM #3606 January 31, 2018 7:34 AM  

Not since Dusty Rhodes...

Blogger Rick January 31, 2018 7:37 AM  

Reagan who?

Blogger The Kurgan January 31, 2018 7:38 AM  

After watching that I'm hoping the God Emperor takes up where the colonists left off a couple hundred years ago, sends ships, annexes the United Kingdom, and rules this land too.

He can then send his mestizo Aztecs into Europe to do to the Saracens what Cortez did to their ancestors.

Wait... maybe.... maybe he has advanced scouts of that sort in Europe already...

Blogger Stilicho January 31, 2018 7:40 AM  

17 years and they're still not packed for their trip home? Mexico is not sending its best and brightest!

Blogger Ken Prescott January 31, 2018 7:40 AM  

"Four simple words: Americans Are Dreamers Too."

"Here, let me take your rhetorical shiv and give it back to you as a suppository."

Anonymous Slen January 31, 2018 7:41 AM  

After last night, I wonder if Joe Manchin would ever consider switching parties? Did you see him???

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 7:42 AM  

12 years?

I'm looking objectively at the structure of the pathway, itself, sans probabilities/psychological relevancies external to it.

And besides, it must be shown that literally everything had been tried to correct course. In that is righteousness, and much sacrifice for those of us that want this shit to pop-off yesterday.

Blogger Rick January 31, 2018 7:43 AM  

Pelosi recalled The Picture of Dorian Gray.

Anonymous lawyer guy January 31, 2018 7:45 AM  

I loved the camera cuts to the black congressmen in their silly kente cloths and acting like they are women bitching out because the new secretary is prettier than they are.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer January 31, 2018 7:45 AM  

normally a lurker wrote:Convincing themselves that Trump is a demented, orange-colored racist moron who spends his time watching the Gorilla Channel continues to bite them in the ass hard.

Makes you wonder if the just slightly more believable stories actually in the Wolf book were carefully and intentionally crafted by the Trump team to continue to throw the Democrats off the trail.

Blogger Stilicho January 31, 2018 7:46 AM  

Also note that Trump outgrouped the illegal dreamers as not-Americans by the use of the word "too" in reference to actual Americans. He stole their hashtag and outed them as "others" with 4 words. No wonder leftists are freaking out.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop January 31, 2018 7:50 AM  

tublecane wrote:Trump actually stole a stolen "hashtag," because the DREAM Act was obviously a reference to the American Dream. The American Dream of course used to be the property of Senior Americans, not immigrants. Trump reclaimed it, as we hope to reclaim the country.

http://www.castaliahouse.com/otherscience-stories-supersonic-vision/
Your grandfather dreamed that you would be traveling in flying cars and spaceships to Mars. But today, you are still driving the same old horseless carriage that your grandfather drove. His grandfather could only drive an actual horse. You are flying the same old subsonic jetliner that your grandfather flew. Yet his grandfather thought that flying through the air was a fever dream of madmen.

The past half century of arrested development has lowered expectations so far that Current Year is viewed as Progress.


The American Dream is the ghost in the machine. God Emperor has brought it back.

Anonymous mycale January 31, 2018 7:58 AM  

Four simple words - "Make America Great Again" - forced millions of liberals to declare their open contempt of this country. Then, once CNN/NYT started blaming the election on "fake news", Trump turned it and now they don't even dare use the phrase because everyone thinks of CNN when they hear the term.

Now, after everyone fell for the "Dreamers" frame, after years spent fetishizing illegal immigrants - declaring them to be heroes, better than Americans, more deserving of our support, etc. - Trump shivved them with it. Wouldn't surprise me if the Dems started focus-testing new terms last night.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 31, 2018 8:04 AM  

@34 Amy

I'd go with "American Dreamer" and "American Badass", if you're Kid Rock fans.

Anonymous Wooly January 31, 2018 8:06 AM  

Kudos to most in this thread, and to VD.

Trump's clapping near the mic, the most audible clapping. That was rhetoric. Very Solzhenitsyn. And always, he was clapping for people other than himself. When he addressed the two NYC couples who lost their girls to MS-13 thugs, he just kept on clapping, as if daring someone to stop clapping before him.

Genius. This whole speech was genius.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 31, 2018 8:18 AM  

It's OK to Dream. It's OK to be White. Americans are Dreamers, too.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 31, 2018 8:19 AM  

Trump has consistently shown to be an impressive counter-puncher, and he just dropped rhetorical A-bombs during the biggest speech he gives during a year. (SOTU always pulls the most eyes at once, unless there's a war about to start.)

We're just a bunch of "American Dreamers". Oh, we're going to have so damn much fun with that weapon. Especially as "Dreaming" has a very Left Coast/Progressive connotation these days.

Blogger Rick January 31, 2018 8:28 AM  

Prediction:
Sometime, soon, taking heads like Hanity will stop referring to Reagan Democrats and replace it with Trump Democrats.

The Stitters looked absurd last night. We’re not the only ones who thought so.

Blogger Harris January 31, 2018 8:35 AM  

We need a T-shirt with "Americans are Dreamers, too" on the front, and "All Lives Matter" on the back. Wear the T-shirt, complete with a MAGA ball cap to make the ensemble complete.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 January 31, 2018 8:38 AM  

#Endracism.

What could be more immorally and irrationally and monumentally hostile to a racial group than using mass 3rd world immigration to destroy Whites' political power?

What could be more racist than having blacks and mestizos having gigantic net tax contribution deficits which immensely financially bleed White taxpayers?

Yeah, let's end true racism.

#Endsexism.

What could be more sexist than the gigantic net tax contribution gap that favors women?
Artificial economic equality would devastate the quality of life of females, but it would create true equality.

Yeah, let's end true sexism or just allow healthy natural inequalities.

Every slander against Western patriots should be boomeranged against the hypocritacal Left just as aggressively as Trump did on Fake News.

Anonymous vfm 0202 January 31, 2018 8:38 AM  

A diamond-cutter at work. Not one, but two! American families who lost loved ones to the immivaders. The Dems must be feeling stark terror.

Blogger Rick January 31, 2018 8:41 AM  

#DoYouEvenBuildBro?

The Dems are pro-nothing.
There will be a blue wave all right.

Blogger Rick January 31, 2018 8:45 AM  

When the bow tie mafia said Trump wasn’t Reagan they was right!

Anonymous Pathos Avenger January 31, 2018 8:48 AM  

All your dreams are belong to us Americans.

Blogger peter blandings January 31, 2018 8:48 AM  

oh to be young and not have heard that speech a hundred times before. memes, hashtags? you boys need to step away from your xboxes for a few minutes every 2 or 3 months and look out the window. or should i say, go upstairs and look out your mom's window?

@41 "reagan who?" reagan the traitor, who amnestied 15 MILLION illegals. so i guess it should be somewhat of a consolation that trump only wants to amnesty 2 million. THIS week.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 8:54 AM  

I don't remember that in the Bible.

Your not going to find a recipe for biscuits and gravy in the Bible either, doesn't mean there's not a best way and a wrong way to go about it.

Rhetoric aside, at the heart of righteousness is that which is right and just, which is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice (Proverbs 21:3).

The implication that literally everything had been tried to correct course need not be shown gives life to an unfortunate faithlessness; a certain distance from the Godhead.

Blogger VD January 31, 2018 8:58 AM  

Those babbling about Jews for the Nth time have been spammed. And don't come crying to me when Blogger starts spam-trapping your future comments. You were warned.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 9:00 AM  

> He can give as many EO as he wants

Which only affect the administrative branch. They're not legislation.

> ... and has the power to enact most of the legislation he wants.

Presidents cannot enact legislation, moron. Legislation has to be passed by Congress.

> If anything Trump just enacted the same type of policy that jeb,hillary or Obama would have done...

If Jeb or Hillary were president, we'd already have full citizenship rights for every illegal already in the country and a wide open border with no enforcement.

But keep lying. The hole only gets deeper.

> The USA only has 15 left anyway...

That's debatable. Yes, the debt load is going to destroy the county eventually. I don't see any way around that. But it could happen in 10 years or it could take 30 or more. There's just to much variability to say for certain.

Blogger VD January 31, 2018 9:02 AM  

We need a T-shirt with "Americans are Dreamers, too" on the front, and "All Lives Matter" on the back. Wear the T-shirt, complete with a MAGA ball cap to make the ensemble complete.

We'll have that and more. Check out today's Daily Meme Wars....

Anonymous krymneth January 31, 2018 9:05 AM  

A thing to note about Trump's offer to naturalize 1.8 million is that it also includes it being contingent on them being educated, keeping their nose clean for 12 years, and being able to follow a normal path to citizenship which would presumably include a citizenship test. If that doesn't plink upwards of 50% of them, I'd be shocked.

Particularly interesting is that A: The Democrats are aware that with all those contingencies they aren't going to get anywhere as many votes as they are hoping for, and won't get them anywhere near as soon as they need them and B: they have yet to find a way of rhetorically attacking the President on these extremely popular provisions, because how do they go into this negotiation to try to negotiate those provisions away without having to admit in front of the nation that the Illegal Dreamers* by and large can't keep their nose clean for 12 years, are not educated, and won't be able to pass a citizenship test, let alone function in high-tech society as a productive citizen?

If you are truly worried that Trump is just a globalist plaything, look to the actions of his enemies and take heart. The Democrats who showed up to the SOTU address did not wear the faces of those who secretly know that Trump is really on their side. If you are a shill trying to convince us that Trump is secretly a globalist plaything, go ask your supervisor where your Trump bonus is. $1000 seems to be a pretty popular size. Otherwise, consider finding a job where you might have received one.

*: We can call them the "Dreamers" no longer, as that is now the American Citizenry thanks to Trump.

Blogger Koanic January 31, 2018 9:08 AM  

> Your not going to find a recipe for biscuits and gravy in the Bible either,

The Bible talks plenty about cooking and war. Therefore we can be sure that if God wanted us to exhaust literally every food before eating biscuits and gravy, He would've said so.

> The implication that literally everything had been tried to correct course need not be shown gives life to an unfortunate faithlessness;

You are making things up. Go tell King David.

Blogger Nate January 31, 2018 9:19 AM  

no no... you have to go full meta with these things.

Picture of a wall. with the words "I have a dream"

#AmericanDreamer

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 9:22 AM  

God did not bullet point all possible permutations of righteousness, Koanic. Deductive processes more married to experience are necessarily involved.

Blogger Koanic January 31, 2018 9:23 AM  

I wish American Christians had the bloodthirstiness of Esther.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 9:30 AM  

Juxtapose that bloodthirstiness with the Resolution that is Christ. Maybe there is a center in there. Perhaps even a Truth or two.

Blogger Nate January 31, 2018 9:31 AM  

"You are making things up. Go tell King David."

if only we could teach the churchians that Jesus was not in fact a dirt hippie pacifist.

Anonymous MaskettaMan January 31, 2018 9:36 AM  

This was presaged by the right wing poster squads putting up "She had a dream too" posters with the picture of a woman who was murdered by a dreamer.

Some triumphant antifa showed up in the thread, showing pictures of the antifa posters he had posted over originals. The antifa posters depicted a street scene of a gangly black about to curb stomp a white man.

Needless to say, he was memed on so savagely that he ejected from the thread.

Blogger cmbaileytstc January 31, 2018 9:37 AM  

The Globalists have thrown themselves into full derangement trying to stop/remove Trump. To assert that he is their man is thus absurd. I don't like the idea of a DACA amnesty either, but nothing is a done deal yet.

Anonymous Andrew E. January 31, 2018 9:37 AM  

A thing to note about Trump's offer to naturalize 1.8 million is that it also includes it being contingent on them being educated, keeping their nose clean for 12 years, and being able to follow a normal path to citizenship which would presumably include a citizenship test. If that doesn't plink upwards of 50% of them, I'd be shocked.

Ann Coulter tweet from last night:

Under your plan, Mr. President, NO COURT will ever ever ever consider the "educational attainments or moral characteristics" of illegals before granting amnesty to millions.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/958535176438669314

Blogger Nate January 31, 2018 9:42 AM  

"Under your plan, Mr. President, NO COURT will ever ever ever consider the "educational attainments or moral characteristics" of illegals before granting amnesty to millions."

and that doesn't matter a lick... because there is no way in hell this thoroughly divided congress will pass a DACA bill. And that means in just a few weeks... They start going back.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 31, 2018 9:44 AM  

Admit it, 10 years ago about half of you would have snugged up your bow ties and then decried with pinched faces the use of rhetoric.

Blogger Koanic January 31, 2018 9:45 AM  

> Juxtapose that bloodthirstiness with the Resolution that is Christ.

Well why didn't you say you were a Hegelian? I am curious, do you consider Jesus the Antithesis to Jehovah?

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 9:47 AM  

Jesus...

The Dems aren't going to take the deal. If they do, many -- if not most -- so-called 'Dreamers' will self-expel from the process on grounds entirely unrelated to the rhetoric of "educational attainments or moral characteristics".

Lots of checkers fans in the house today.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 9:48 AM  

> And that means in just a few weeks... They start going back.

And with tears in his eyes Trump will proclaim the Dem's left him no choice. :)

He may even believe it. But the result will still be the same.

Anonymous Andrew E. January 31, 2018 9:49 AM  

Just so people understand, the deal that will never happen doesn't just amnesty 1.8 million (which Ann Coulter argues will end up being an amnesty for all 40 million illegals through the courts) but it also only ends chain migration after the current backlog of millions in the queue already (which will stretch to 10-15 years worth of chain migration) are cleared. This is a deal that can never be allowed to happen.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 9:50 AM  

Koanic wrote:> Juxtapose that bloodthirstiness with the Resolution that is Christ.

Well why didn't you say you were a Hegelian? I am curious, do you consider Jesus the Antithesis to Jehovah?


Juxtaposition ≠ Synthesis.

Blogger Koanic January 31, 2018 9:56 AM  

> Juxtaposition ≠ Synthesis.

But Resolution = Synthesis.

My apologies for being unclear. Your argument, as I inferred it, is that:
Jehovah - Thesis
Jesus - Antithesis
Crucifixion - Crisis
Holy Spirit - Synthesis

Ideally the Holy Spirit should be represented with a feathery feminine cross, like so.

I can understand how this would lead to a "violence is the absolute last resort" point of view.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 31, 2018 10:09 AM  

I didn't watch or hear any of the speech, but I just saw a screen caption of the black congressfrauds with African cloth or something about their necks and I fully applaud their move to distance themselves from White.

I don't care what true conservatives or the black pill society of tough talkers says if you are in a "Protected Class" or you metaphorically felate the PCs I encourage you to distance yourself from white.

Anonymous krymneth January 31, 2018 10:10 AM  

I'm not much for memeing, but I have been tempted to put together a MLK picture with "I Have A Dream... that my four little children will one day be replaced by illegal immigrants when the Democrats no longer have a use for them."

Blogger tuberman January 31, 2018 10:15 AM  

Andrew E. wrote:A thing to note about Trump's offer to naturalize 1.8 million is that it also includes it being contingent on them being educated, keeping their nose clean for 12 years, and being able to follow a normal path to citizenship which would presumably include a citizenship test. If that doesn't plink upwards of 50% of them, I'd be shocked.

Ann Coulter tweet from last night:

Under your plan, Mr. President, NO COURT will ever ever ever consider the "educational attainments or moral characteristics" of illegals before granting amnesty to millions.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/958535176438669314


Have you ever considered, Andrew, that like Sessions, Anne is a Role Player. Yes, she keeps the God Emperor on track, but perhaps it is a Role assigned to her that she with enthusiasm signed up for early.

There is WWIII going on in the background to this. Everyone talks about the courts doing this and that, no matter what Trump says or does. But what if the vast majority of mid-level Judges that are for Globalism, and helps the Deep State here are up to their eye balls in child trafficking and exploitation corruption? What if it's possible that the info on all these Judges that were put in place so that child trafficking in the USA could go to the level of third world countries, and they will be exposed in the next two years?

THESE FEDERAL JUDGES WERE PUT IN PLACE PRIMARILY TO INCREASE STEALING OF CHILDREN IN THE USA, AND THAT WILL BE THEIR WEAKNESS.

It is all interwoven, and it needs to be patiently picked apart to keep implosion from happening. Implosion is what the Globalist/Leftist desire at this point.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 10:19 AM  

You are making too many inferential leaps and jumping to too many conclusions for me to care to unpack fully, Koanic; however:

You presuppose agonist/antagonist formulae that have no necessary connection to the Resolution that inheres in Christ.

I can understand how this would lead to a "violence is the absolute last resort" point of view.

Violence is the righteous resort when it is right and just, which may or may not be the 'last resort'.

The statement "it must be shown that literally everything had been tried to correct course. In that is righteousness, and much sacrifice for those of us that want this shit to pop-off yesterday" neither includes nor excludes violence yesterday, today or tomorrow should it become the case that everything had in fact, and literally, been done to correct course.

The phrase "correct course" does not necessarily include nor exclude violence, per se.

So if you want to start sniping people, young buck, have at it. One must wonder at why you haven't already... perhaps doing so would not yet be righteous.

Anonymous Crew January 31, 2018 10:27 AM  

Trump has been teaching the GOP how to fight. That could be his greatest legacy, if they humble themselves and admit their tactics (those of the GOP NEVERTRUMPers) simply don't work and only encourage the Left.

I don't think you understand the function of the DC Uni-Party. They are not interested in fighting, they are only interested in screwing us and destroying the West.

Blogger Koanic January 31, 2018 10:31 AM  

> You are making too many inferential leaps and jumping to too many conclusions

I thought you were a fan of those a minute ago when you were busy not quoting the Bible.

> One must wonder at why you haven't already

One would certainly try, if one were beginning to feel uncomfortable, but one would be wrong.

Moses killed one Egyptian. Gideon burned one idol. Phineas impaled one couple. Jesus cleared one temple.

All were prudent men who picked their moment and got away with it.

Anonymous johnc January 31, 2018 10:33 AM  

The rhetoric is unimportant.

The American people don't need to be convinced on the immigration issue. They have made their voices loud and clear for over 20 years now. The problem is that nobody in Washington wants to obey.

Americans are desperate to find somebody -- anybody -- to take this issue and run with it.

We don't need rhetoric, we need action. *taps fingers on desk*

Anonymous Ages January 31, 2018 10:38 AM  

"American Dreamer" must replace "real American" in our lexicon. With this and "Fake News", Trump is a master of subversion and yanking the teeth out of his adversaries.

Anonymous Just another commenter January 31, 2018 10:49 AM  

@92 - incorrect. Rhetoric is vitally important. Only a small percentage of people really "DO" anything in a revolution. If the mass of the people are against them, they fail. If the masses are passively but solidly behind them, they win. Rhetoric is what convinces them block or stand aside.

And you'll peel a few off on the margins, and sideline a few of your opponents.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 11:06 AM  

> We don't need rhetoric, we need action.

We need both. And we're getting both.

Anonymous BBGKB January 31, 2018 11:19 AM  

Are they seriously unaware how unpopular BLM is? Don't they know BLM was one of the major reasons Hillary lost?

They drank so much kool aid gays still want moslems after PULSE.

Convincing themselves that Trump is a demented, orange-colored racist moron who spends his time watching the Gorilla Channel continues to bite them in the ass hard.

The problem is they like it https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/19002540

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 11:24 AM  

Your "in good faith" debation ON/OFF switch is all fubar'd, Koanic.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 31, 2018 11:25 AM  

@92: The rhetoric is unimportant.

Have you learned nothing from what Vox has been saying all these years?

The rhetoric is very important because most people react at the level of rhetoric and President Trump just deployed a rhetorical nuclear bomb that gives conservatives something to counter the "Dreamer" bullshit the Democrats have been running with for years.

It is very important to counter them on all levels, including the rhetorical.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 31, 2018 11:26 AM  

@96: Like Tariq Ramadan?

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 31, 2018 11:31 AM  

It is very important to counter them on all levels, including the rhetorical.

Exactly. And this is the sort of reframing the other side finds most demoralizing. Demoralized troops don't fight. They curl up in the fetal position and send out for more meds.

Blogger Frank Brady January 31, 2018 11:33 AM  

Rhetoric is important. Although it is virtually certain that the Democrats will not accept the President's offer, the offer itself informs the public that the "proposition nation" and its underlying premise are worth supporting. That, not the political outcome that will ultimately "resolve" the DACA issue, is what matters in the long run.

Anonymous VFM #3606 January 31, 2018 11:33 AM  

Admit it, 10 years ago about half of you would have snugged up your bow ties and then decried with pinched faces the use of rhetoric.

Speak for yourself, cluckie. Ten years ago, I got in hot water with my company for calling a well-known entrenched local columnist a deluded widow with no business opining on the real world. 10 years ago we were tossing around "Me-So" and "El stachio" like it was old news.

Aristotle's handbook was written for those who could grasp the utility of rhetoric. Some people, however, although are persuaded only by rhetoric, never become adept at its use.

Blogger Koanic January 31, 2018 11:47 AM  

> Your "in good faith" debation ON/OFF switch is all fubar'd, Koanic.

Even Jesus reflected the faith he found.

Relax. I'll be sure to use it... as a last resort.

Anonymous johnc January 31, 2018 11:52 AM  

I should clarify that rhetoric is not important on this issue (immigration). Americans overwhelmingly support limiting immigration and are, in general, further ahead of the issue than Trump is. Who is he trying to convince? Americans voted for him expressly because he said he was going to fix this crap.

Blogger DonReynolds January 31, 2018 11:56 AM  

Vox is completely correct....I do not mind in the least if people adopt some of the same ideas without becoming full members and wearing the uniform.

What I find annoying is when the Leftist Media adopt a word or phrase and change the meaning entirely to suit their agenda. Immigrant is one of those terms.

The ONLY immigrants in the USA, by Federal law, are those persons who are in this country legally. Everyone else is an illegal alien, not an immigrant.

Another Leftist Media term is Refugee, which has a specific meaning under international law. The so-called migratory populations in Europe (and North America) are not refugees of any sort. They lost their refugee status when they landed in the FIRST safe country, if they were ever refugees to begin with. For the actual war refugees fleeing the Syrian Civil War, they lost their refugee status when they crossed into Turkey. None of those from Afrika are refugees and never were.

Another Leftist Media term is Diversity, which does not mean diverse or varied. Diversity only means anti-white, no matter how few they might be, such as in the NBA and NFL.

Another Leftist Media term is Racism, which seldom has anything to do with race at all. Nationality is seldom a race. Criminal is not a race. Terrorist is not a race. Rapist is not a race. Murderer is not a race. Drug smuggler is not a race. Yet anyone opposed to the invasion of their own country by these foreign individuals the Leftist Media considers to be a racist, when there is no race.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 31, 2018 12:06 PM  

SOTU's have often been speeches which are long on rhetoric and short of substance, so Trump's was quite traditional in this respect. As for the amnesty offer, this is not the first time and the D-jerseys are still screaming, so one should avoid jumping to conclusions. Still, when you get praises from the likes of the Consummate Cuckstain, David French...

At this point it’s clear that Trump’s campaign rhetoric was meaningless — and that’s mostly a good thing.

For a more blackpilled view of the event, see Hunter Wallace. Wallace raises many good points. (Dindus are never going to be his friend no matter how many times he bends over). At the end of the day, if Wallace is correct and Trump ends up being the classic cuckout to the swamp we'll all just have to admit that Barnhardt actually read Trump (pure Kayfabe) better than anyone else did and prepare for Murika soon morphing into what South Africa is today.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 12:22 PM  

> At the end of the day, if Wallace is correct and Trump ends up being the classic cuckout

Then we still had more time than Hillary or Jeb would have given us. I swear, it's like these folks are completely incapable of doing a simple best case/worst case analysis.

Blogger S1AL January 31, 2018 12:31 PM  

"For a more blackpilled view of the event, see Hunter Wallace. Wallace raises many good points. (Dindus are never going to be his friend no matter how many times he bends over). At the end of the day, if Wallace is correct and Trump ends up being the classic cuckout to the swamp we'll all just have to admit that Barnhardt actually read Trump (pure Kayfabe) better than anyone else did and prepare for Murika soon morphing into what South Africa is today."

Hunter Wallace is a petty soyboy who flipped out like a jilted queen over VD supporting Milo.

The United States will never end up like South Africa, solely on the basis of demographic impossibility. The realistic view is some analogue of Brazil.

Anonymous johnc January 31, 2018 12:33 PM  

Then we still had more time than Hillary or Jeb would have given us.

The "movement" -- if there is a movement -- needs to de-center from Trump. It is currently too focused and dependent on him and at some point it's going to have to lead rather than follow.

Another Leftist Media term is Refugee

In the US code there is a definition for "refugee" or asylum seeker. The president has sole discretion to set the annual number of refugees. He can set it to zero if he wants.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 31, 2018 12:34 PM  

It has dawned on a very select few on the left that POTUS Trump is far more intelligent than they estimated.

The rest of the left will never allow themselves to believe the G-E to be anything other than a bumbling idiot.


They said the same thing, literally the exact same thing, about every GOP President of my lifetime, even Eisenhower. Even Nixon, for Pete's sake, and Nixon had demonstrably the highest IQ of any President of the 20th Century.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 31, 2018 12:36 PM  

Then we still had more time than Hillary or Jeb would have given us. I swear, it's like these folks are completely incapable of doing a simple best case/worst case analysis.

Yes, which is why I think Wallace is taking too many black-pills here. He's also falling into the same false notion that many Trump supporters subscribe to - that Trump can fix this mess just by being POTUS. Short of becoming a real God-Emperor, there's not that much he can do in the long term. You also must admit that ¡Jeb! or Lizard Queen is a damned low bar for any type of comparison. Someone (I can't recall who it was now) made the observation back when Trump started to look serious as a candidate that the best we could ultimately hope for would be the buying of some time before the war starts in earnest. There are actually two views on the advantages of this time-purchase as well, because buying time means many folks on our side grow stupidly complacent while the enemy (who has been waging a dirty-war for decades) arms up even more.

Meanwhile, another Vehicle of Peace has been active in Charlottesville. This time it met up with a trainload of Gay Old Pedobears off to a West Virginia Kiddie-Diddler Konklave.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 12:39 PM  

> The "movement" -- if there is a movement -- needs to de-center from Trump.

And that will happen. In 2024.

> They said the same thing, literally the exact same thing, about every GOP President of my lifetime, even Eisenhower.

I'd have to go back and verify with Eisenhower (hey, I was two when he left office), but I can verify the rest from personal memory.

Blogger cmbaileytstc January 31, 2018 12:41 PM  

It seems to me that there are two far-fetched ideas being bandied about (Trump is a globalist tool, Trump is playing 42D chess) when a much more plausible possibility is that he is big-hearted, not particularly a race realist, and in a situation where his judgement is that he has to compromise in order to make any changes.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 12:43 PM  

> ...and in a situation where his judgement is that he has to compromise in order to make any changes.

Of course he has to compromise. But he wrote to book on making deals (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000SEGE6M/). He's not going to give away the store to get what he wants. No deal is better than a bad one.

Anonymous Sam the man January 31, 2018 12:44 PM  

All you chaps who see farther than Trump and know what he should do and how he might sell us out, make grievous mistakes etc.

What have you done with your life? Have you ever been in a position of political power as an executive, even at a local club? If not you simply do not know what you do not know and as such your comments are without a great deal of merit.

Yesterday was a victory, clear and simple:

Trump achieved the following:

1) He was coherent, when the press presents him as a buffoon.
2) He induced a great deal of CNN derangement, which made the fake news press look bad.
3) He showed a side that will be seen as kindly, without giving anything away. The response of the dems made them look small and petty. He literal stole a lot of "New Deal" language from them and made it his. Masterful.
4) He was able to show all of the negative press about him was just that, negative press and not much more. The press lacks gravitas.
5) He showed he has a plan to improve the country and has implemented a fair bit already, against which the democrats have noting to offer. He offers competence, they offer grievances.
6) He showed how their supposedly "compassionate actions" were anything but to average working class folks, the very segment of the population the republicans need to vote for them in 2018.
7) He showed he is now the undisputed leader of the republican party, all the politicians were attempts to suck up to him.
8) He offered a vision of rising morality, economic development and national unity, against which the democrats offered in response a drooling ginger who projected their own divisiveness on a speech which had no such thing.



Now is the time to celebrate this fellow, not nip at his heels. I heard two folks separately today say that they had new hope that the country could turn around. It made me think perhaps we could turn the nation around, at least for a period, to avoid an open break out of civil war that seems to be coming.

It was a masterful performance.

Blogger S1AL January 31, 2018 12:44 PM  

"I'd have to go back and verify with Eisenhower (hey, I was two when he left office), but I can verify the rest from personal memory."

They weren't too fond of him warning about the "scientific-technological elite" in the same specs as the "military-industrial complex".

Turns out that Eisenhower was possessed of a rare degree of foresight.

Blogger Beau January 31, 2018 12:47 PM  

Ideally the Holy Spirit should be represented with a feathery feminine cross, like so.

You are risibly wrong. Acts 2:1-3 informs us,

When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. the Holy Spirit came as flames of fire down from heaven resting upon the assembled disciples. This is a far more striking visual (and audio) than the limp Ideal you propose.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 31, 2018 12:48 PM  

Keep in mind that Trump has accomplished a great deal in the last year, all while having to suppress a coup attempt being waged under the auspices of legal process and secure the support of his own party.

If he's able flush out the traitors and NeverTrumpers and he continues to earn the trust of Congress, the next few years will be glorious.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 12:52 PM  

OK, it looks like the comment I replied to above has disappeared. At first I thought I'd just posted it to the wrong thread. But it's not on any of the three threads I have open. Oh well...

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 31, 2018 12:53 PM  

It would be far more productive for practically everyone on the right to try to learn from Trump instead of second guessing him or worrying that he's going to sell out.

If he actually sells out or folds under pressure, then it's time to reevaluate.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 12:57 PM  

> It would be far more productive for practically everyone on the right to try to learn from Trump instead of second guessing him or worrying that he's going to sell out.

Most of the people showing up here who claim to be worried about his selling out are actually not on the right.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 31, 2018 1:17 PM  

@120 Probably not, but I do hear these concerns from people frequently. And I'm talking about people who are legitimate right-wingers but have gotten so used to being betrayed that they have difficulty believing that a President could actually be on their side.

Blogger S1AL January 31, 2018 1:18 PM  

@Noah

Yup. It's staggering that Trump is actually keeping his promises. I'm defies the trend to suck an extent that it's triggering cognitive dissonance in both sides.

Anonymous johnc January 31, 2018 1:27 PM  

If he's able flush out the traitors and NeverTrumpers

He's brought the traitors and NeverTrumpers into his own cabinet while flushing out the people that were loyal to him during the campaign.

all while having to suppress a coup attempt

That's his own fault because he appointed a traitor and NeverTrumper to be his Deputy AG. It's actually embarrassing to see how easily he's being rolled. You don't have to believe me... just look at what those who campaigned with him have said. Almost to a tee they admit that he's pursuing a different agenda.

https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/939156450269679616?lang=en
https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/941236265256566784?lang=en

Look at how they gloat over what he's become: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/swamp-trump/551807/

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 31, 2018 1:30 PM  

"I can understand how this would lead to a "violence is the absolute last resort" point of view."

Keep right on preaching. No one's listening.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 31, 2018 1:33 PM  

So you're gonna go full-on lies-and-projection too now, huh johnc?

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 1:36 PM  

> And I'm talking about people who are legitimate right-wingers but have gotten so used to being betrayed that they have difficulty believing that a President could actually be on their side.

Oh, IRL people. That's different. :)

Ask them a simple question. If he does sell out, how are they worse off then they would have been with anyone else? They knew everyone else was going to sell them out. And the only real alternative was Hillary.

> He's brought the traitors and NeverTrumpers into his own cabinet while flushing out the people that were loyal to him during the campaign.

OK, I was giving you the benefit of a doubt. But you're now officially a lying shill.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 31, 2018 1:37 PM  

@123 I usually don't listen to the opinions of habitual liars, which includes most of the media. And Julian Assange has done some great work, but if he were a master strategist he probably wouldn't have ended up living in the Ecuadoran embassy in London for, what, seven years?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 31, 2018 1:40 PM  

Azure Amaranthine said: So you're gonna go full-on lies-and-projection too now, huh johnc?

Good thing he won't double down. That's how you know he's not an SJW.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. January 31, 2018 1:46 PM  

Some people just don't see that Trump has ushered-in the most rightward swing America has seen in a very, very long time. Sad!

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 31, 2018 1:47 PM  

If he actually sells out or folds under pressure, then it's time to reevaluate.

If he sold out this afternoon and continued fumbling the ball like the usual conservative Repubs from now to the end of his presidency, he would still be one of the greatest American presidents ever. Flawed as he may be, the chances of there being another candidate, Republican or Democrat, who would do a better job in 2020 are microscopic.

I'll be happy to get off the Trump train when there's a better train to get on. Nobody's even close right now.

Anonymous johnc January 31, 2018 1:49 PM  

if he were a master strategist he probably wouldn't have ended up living in the Ecuadoran embassy in London for, what, seven years?

Trump has his own DOJ investigating him over a complete hoax simply to find a pretext for impeachment or, at least, for opposition research. He managed this feat in just a few months of his presidency. Is that a grand strategist?

And, for the record, I didn't lie. That's a falsehood. You should take it back.

Blogger Feather Blade January 31, 2018 1:51 PM  

It's been three years now. Have you learned nothing?

40 years of being lied to and betrayed by people who make the same pretty promises is a hard habit to break.

Like abused dogs, hoping for a treat and expecting to be beaten, etc.

One must constantly remind one's-self that the God-Emperor is a businessman, not a politician, and that he is delivering on his promises, so far.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 31, 2018 1:54 PM  

Koanic wrote:Moses killed one Egyptian. Gideon burned one idol. Phineas impaled one couple. Jesus cleared one temple.

One of those things is not like the others. One of those things doesn't belong...

One of those things was done 40 years before God's time.

Anonymous Sam the Man January 31, 2018 1:54 PM  

johnc

Your so smart and wiser than Trump, or so one can presume by your prognostications.

What have you done with your life? Tell us how you have had to juggle people and their personalities in an executive position to achieve a desired result. Give us the source of your hard earned wisdom on this matter.

If you have never done this or attempted same, you simply do not know, what you do not know.

As per the rules of this blog, you have to answer a direct question. Note this is not an attempt at disqualification, but an attempt to make figure out if you know about that which pontificate upon and should be listened to, or if it is simply sophistry.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 31, 2018 1:55 PM  

It's simply extraordinary to look at the picture in the Vox article of a horde of very unfit foreign squatters acting (and sometimes being treated) as if they holier than Jesus, and more righteous still. Makes one long for Travis Bickle's real rain to wash all the scum off the streets.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 1:55 PM  

> And, for the record, I didn't lie.

Really? "He's brought the traitors and NeverTrumpers into his own cabinet while flushing out the people that were loyal to him during the campaign" is a lie. Not a misstatement or a partial untruth. A flat out lie.

Anonymous johnc January 31, 2018 1:59 PM  

Trump's own FBI -- including its Director that Trump appointed -- has already come out and agreed with the Democrat narrative that this memo has false information and inaccuracies.

Trump's own FBI Director pulled the rug out from beneath the Congressional Republicans.

Traitors and NeverTrumpers, folks.

Blogger S1AL January 31, 2018 1:59 PM  

James Dixon, you're talking to a Bannon True Believer. From his perspective, everyone in the cabinet is an establishment shill.

Blogger S1AL January 31, 2018 2:01 PM  

Oh, and someone dumb enough to claim that the "FBI Director" is part of Trump's "cabinet".

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 31, 2018 2:13 PM  

@132 My "habitual liars" characterization referred to the Atlantic & the media.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 2:15 PM  

> Trump's own FBI -- including its Director that Trump appointed -- has already come out and agreed with the Democrat narrative that this memo has false information and inaccuracies.

Since you can't be bother to support your comment with a source, let's see if I can find a good one. Hmm. Bloomberg doesn't list a source. The Hill and the Daily Beast quote Bloomberg. OK, the Washington Examiner is fairly trustworthy:

"The Washington Post reported late Tuesday that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein made a last-minute plea to White House chief of staff John Kelly about the “dangers” of releasing the memo. He was reportedly joined by Wray in that Monday meeting."

So the original source appears to be the Washington Post. Need I say more?

> James Dixon, you're talking to a Bannon True Believer.

Probably. It doesn't change the fact that he's lying.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 2:18 PM  

> My "habitual liars" characterization referred to the Atlantic & the media.

I think he's referring to me and Azure, Noah. But since he is lying, he's out of luck my taking it back.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 2:28 PM  

Gab has pointed me to another source, a later story on The Hill, which says:

"With regard to the House Intelligence Committee’s memorandum, the FBI was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it," the bureau said. As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy."

Funny how that doesn't quite match the statement by Bloomberg, isn't it. They're essentially saying: We haven't had time to review the memo thoroughly and are afraid it might be incomplete.

Anonymous johnc January 31, 2018 2:39 PM  

@135 What have you done with your life?

How does that have any relevance? I am simply looking at the results for what they are. Or are we not allowed to make observations without first publishing our resumes?

Oh, and someone dumb enough to claim that the "FBI Director" is part of Trump's "cabinet".

I didn't say that. You're mistaken or lying.

Anonymous Elder Son January 31, 2018 2:41 PM  

It really is a brilliant plan. Every step back Trump takes on illegals, he is removing wiggle room from the pro-illegal crowd. When SUDDENLY, Trump will say, “I can’t work with you guys! Every step back I take is not enough for you! Fine! Everyone leaves then! Neener-Neener! Start self-deporting now! All 40 million of youse!”

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 31, 2018 2:43 PM  

In the US code there is a definition for "refugee" or asylum seeker. The president has sole discretion to set the annual number of refugees. He can set it to zero if he wants.

Except the 9th Circuit or some stupid judge in another circuit will put a stay on the implementation of his decision until it gets through the SC.

Anonymous Sam the Man January 31, 2018 2:54 PM  

johnc:

Fair retort, but you missed my critical point of my question. Yet your non answer is an answer....you have no idea what it takes to get things done in an environment where many different agendas have to be dealt with in order to get a desired result.

The fact is you are asking for perfection from Trump, according to your view of what perfection is. Which indicates to me you are young and had had little experience in dealing with anyone in any kind of an executive position.

Simply stated that is not how the world works and you have some time yet to grow into wisdom. You do not have the ability to see what has been achieved by Trump which the older members here can clearly see. Age does have some advantages.

Else you are simply a troll, as indicated by your comment on the FBI and their comments on the brief. Once again you miss the central point: The institution that is corrupt objects to the corruption being exposed, on the grounds that not all of the circumstances of the corruption have been laid out.

What better endorsement of the brief's release is there? Ponder that, young Jedi and you will perhaps see where your thought experiment failed.

You are certainly able to make observations and should continue, but frankly your ability to form useful conclusions from these observations seems to be somewhat limited. The older and wiser chaps here have been attempting to tell you this in a nice way.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 31, 2018 3:06 PM  

Any marginally intelligent individual should easily understand that a four page memo isn't going to address each and every relevant fact of the deep state's conspiracy against Trump.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 31, 2018 3:20 PM  

I rarely find myself in disagreement with you, Vox, but I have to disagree here. Which is fine, and healthy. From my point of view Trump's speech last night was a home run in many ways, but not on immigration. Both rhetorically and substantively Trump blew chunks on immigration last night. And immigration isn't everything, it's the only thing.

Sure, I get it that patience is counseled, brinksmanship, the Art of the Deal, 3D chess, feints and all that. And I'm still on the Trump train.

But he did not move the ball forward last night, it was like being on prevent defense, that stinks. Ground was ceded. Any sort of meme subversion is trivial compensation, a sort of Pyrrhic victory.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 31, 2018 3:41 PM  

"and that doesn't matter a lick... because there is no way in hell this thoroughly divided congress will pass a DACA bill. And that means in just a few weeks... They start going back."

Yep. Sometimes doing nothing results in something. The impatient ankle-biters got no chili.

Blogger tublecane January 31, 2018 4:05 PM  

@92-Hello, we're sending people more likely to obey the will of the (American) people on immigration. Trump instead of ¡Yeb!, for instance. Elections keep happening, and it's imperative we keep keeping Hillary and others out of positions of power. If only for a chance to prevent the country from being ruined.

Blogger tublecane January 31, 2018 4:10 PM  

Speaking of last night's rhetoric, what was the idea behind the Capitol Dome Lady stuff? Was that a deliberate attempt to pull symbolic focus away from the Statue of Liberty? Not that I necessarily like D.C. as the heart of American identity, but it is marginally better than Immigrant Central in New York.

We all know Miller is down on the more famous Lady Liberty. Which of course the press treated as tantamount to wiping his butt with the Constitution.

Blogger tublecane January 31, 2018 4:16 PM  

@104-"Who is he trying to convince?"

For one thing, the enemy. He's trying to convince them not to try so hard.

For another, voters. He's trying to get them to show up and vote for his side, so he continues to have opportunities to win.

This is basic stuff. Elected politicians can only do so much, but what they can do they do through rhetoric, among other things.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 4:21 PM  

> But he did not move the ball forward last night...

He doesn't need to. Barring Congressional action DACA is dead come March 6th. He's setting the terms of that action. Terms the Dem's have already declared unacceptable.

There is no path forward for the Dem's save total and complete capitulation, which they are incapable of doing. The only thing they can try is shutting the government down again. That's not going to work any better this time than last time.

Blogger tublecane January 31, 2018 4:31 PM  

@105-I have a problem with the way we use "amnesty." When. Jimmah Cartah amnestied draft-dodgers, for instance, they were free to come out of hiding (if they were in hiding) because their past crime had been cleared. But in the case of illegal aliens, scrubbing their past crimes clean would still leave them committing a crime. Their very presence is a crime.

Illegal alien "amnesty" is something other than pardoning someone for a crime committed. It's like pardoning them for future crimes, too. Or changing their specific legal status, while presumably maintaining the old rules for everyone else. (Until we get around to "amnesty" for them, too.) Which really should be called something other than "amnesty." Individual decriminalization, or whatever.

If we were merely pardoning their illegality up to the point of the pardon, the next should be to leave the country. You don't have to go to jail, fine. But if you're still standing here one second post-amnesty, you're committing a new crime.

Anonymous Lord of the Fleas January 31, 2018 4:44 PM  

Under your plan, Mr. President, NO COURT will ever ever ever consider the "educational attainments or moral characteristics" of illegals before granting amnesty to millions.

Possibly a bit OT, but one can hope that the GE has a plan to put an end to this BS of rule by judicial fiat, and return the judiciary to their proper judicial role, leaving legislation to the legislature.

(Hey, we all gotta dream, right?)

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2018 5:02 PM  

Trump himself can't, but Congress can. Most of the problem is the ninth district. Even liberals will admit that they are heavily overworked.

So, establish two new district courts to serve that area. All with judges appointed by Trump. The current ninth district is kept intact to hear currently ongoing cases. Once all those cases are dealt with, the current ninth district judges are all granted immediate retirement with full pensions.

I think the remaining district judges will get the message.

Blogger Nate January 31, 2018 5:24 PM  

"I rarely find myself in disagreement with you, Vox, but I have to disagree here. Which is fine, and healthy. From my point of view Trump's speech last night was a home run in many ways, but not on immigration. Both rhetorically and substantively Trump blew chunks on immigration last night. And immigration isn't everything, it's the only thing."

allow me to drop a favorite Vox Day quote:

I don't expect you to agree. I don't even expect you to understand.

Blogger Anne January 31, 2018 8:30 PM  

Unless a court tells him he can't, apparently.

Blogger Anne January 31, 2018 8:45 PM  

I interpreted this comment as ironic. I don't think he intended for you to interpret it as a real suggestion. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Blogger Anne January 31, 2018 8:47 PM  

Why do you seem so confident of that? Perhaps God intended him to be exiled to Midian.

Blogger Silly but True January 31, 2018 8:50 PM  

New grrl power hashtag #girlsbehindthegames

https://twitter.com/KarinWeekes/status/958850828655198208

What an amazing feat to have been working in the games industry for 12 years and have worked on Knights of the Old Republic (KotOR) released in 2003.

Blogger Koanic January 31, 2018 9:21 PM  

> You are risibly wrong.

I should hope so. It was sarcasm, as the lesbian bishop in the foreground denying Christ should've indicated.

> Keep right on preaching.

You mean practicing. Thanks dummy.

> One of those things was done 40 years before God's time.

Typically when a murder is a sin, the Bible points it out, and the murderer doesn't subsequently become high priest. You don't have to recognize the Moses-Phineas pattern, but that won't stop others from doing so. I could just as easily have put Peter's attempted decapitation of one cop on the list. It's the thought that counts, not the execution.

Blogger SciVo January 31, 2018 11:59 PM  

Americans Dream Too

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd February 01, 2018 12:09 AM  

Koanic wrote:Typically when a murder is a sin, the Bible points it out, and the murderer doesn't subsequently become high priest.

That's true. What I see here is Moses trying to free the Israelites 40 years before God was ready for him to do it, probably 40 years before Moses was ready to be used by God. Trying to do God's will your way, on your timeline, under your own power, isn't a good idea, even if your intentions seem good to you.

Moses' killing of the Egyptian wasn't a sin, but that doesn't mean it was God's will. Phineas' action probably was prompted by God.
Notice that Phineas didn't spend 40 years exiled in Midian.

Blogger Koanic February 01, 2018 1:02 AM  

That is entirely your interpretation. As for me, I am happy to pound sand for a burning bush. Perhaps you prefer the lash.

Blogger Koanic February 01, 2018 2:12 AM  

The "prompted by God" argument is nonsense. Peter was anti-prompted by Jesus to chop heads, and the one sword-swinger of 11 peaceniks still made arch-bishop. Nobody prompted Abram's rescue of Lot, to which God's response was overwhelming. There were plenty of non-murderers for Jehovah to reveal Himself to among the children of Israel in Egypt, but He skipped the meek slaves for the exile with blood on his hands. It's like saying God punished David for killing Goliath by sending him into exile from Saul's wrath. After all, he wasn't prompted!

Failure to seek permission from God to go to war when it is required is a grave offense, as seen in the destruction of the tribe of Benjamin, which belonged to God. Intra Christian fraternal WWI and WWII are comparable. Horrific casualties ensue. It is unambiguous.

I suppose if Americans cannot tell brother from alien, they might easily confuse Moses with Cain, immigrant with invader, and Communist with Christian.

The Bible doesn't say to stay your hand unless "prompted". It says that unavenged blood cries out to Heaven for justice, that the very Earth groans beneath the burden of a wicked people, longing to shake them off. It says that the kin of those burning in Hell have the Law and the Prophets, and if they do not hear those, they will not believe even if one should rise from the dead. If there will be no sign to stay eternal damnation, neither expect one to start earthly executions.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. February 01, 2018 8:06 AM  

You should stop the holier than thou, Pope Koanic the Pious shtick, because -- whether you know it or not -- your Assay of Everything terminates necessarily in the Nietzschean proposition of there only ever having been one Christian -- and He died on the cross.

We are also eagerly awaiting the list of Righteous Homicides you've committed.

And a point.

Blogger Koanic February 01, 2018 9:26 AM  

> You should stop the holier than thou

I never claimed to be holier than anyone, either explicitly or implicitly, as some like to. I merely repelled a false "Tu quoque". Nor do I care what passes between you and your conscience, only what passes your lips as false doctrine.

> there only ever having been one Christian -- and He died on the cross.

Jesus never called himself a Christian. The adjective is not the noun. And he is not past-tense.

> We are also eagerly awaiting the list of Righteous Homicides you've committed.

I made a list of violence committed by holy men in the Bible, repeating the word "one". That was a "pick one" menu. Perhaps it was too subtle a rhetorical device. The purpose was not to demand that you do anything, but to silence the effeminate objection that there are only two possible paths - slavish pacifism and Rambo killing spree. I call this objection effeminate because it reflects an innocence of the gradients and fluidity of real-world violence, criminality and aggression that is far more seemly in a woman than a man.

> And a point.

Certainly. I suggest you stop pretending to know what the Bible says, and listen to it on random chapter shuffle for 1,000 hours until you do.

Blogger James Dixon February 01, 2018 10:29 AM  

For those still worried about Trump, his latest tweet should make things clearer: "March 5th is rapidly approaching and the Democrats are doing nothing about DACA. They Resist, Blame, Complain and Obstruct - and do nothing. Start pushing Nancy Pelosi and the Dems to work out a DACA fix, NOW!"

Blogger By My Greybeard! February 01, 2018 12:17 PM  

@Forrest Bishop

That arresting of our technological and civil society advancement was well-orchestrated and purposeful!

We, the hoi-paloi, were becoming too indepent and too outspoken on the subjects the globalists didn't want us to think about.

The previous times they knocked the hoi-paloi down– Wilson's "five-minutemen", the."secret scouts", et al– it wasn't necessary to completely squash us b/c they could control information flow, isolating individual patriots and depriving us of an important and major tool.

This time, even though squashing the hoi-paloi damages their comfort, they lacked effective alternatives.

Anyway, that's how I see the present situation.

If I'm even in the same county with my surmise we haven't even started this rodeo yet.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 01, 2018 4:32 PM  

I'm not one to defend Koanic out of live, or even respect, but he is absolutely correct here.

Blogger Koanic February 02, 2018 12:46 AM  

I bear the evil news of emasculation to the men who lose continents of Christendom.

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