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Friday, January 12, 2018

Ask the Norwegian-Americans

SJWs don't merely always lie, they usually posture while they're doing it.
Trump made headlines on Thursday when he lashed out in a meeting with lawmakers about immigration reform, demanding to know why the US should accept citizens from what he called 's**thole' countries. He was speaking about people from Haiti, El Salvador and various African nations, people briefed on the meeting told the Washington Post.

'Why are we having all these people from s**thole countries come here?' Trump said. 'Why do we need more Haitians?... Take them out.'

Trump then suggested the US should welcome immigrants from places like Norway, whose prime minister met with Trump on Wednesday.

But Twitter users, some of them from Norway, quickly lashed out asking Trump: Why would Norwegians want to come to America?

'I'm confused - why the f*** would anyone migrate to the US from Norway? Why would you give up healthcare free at the point of access, living wages and reliable public services?,' one tweet read.

'I live in Norway and would never move to USA. We have free health care, free higher education, 5 weeks vacation 8 hours work a day. No thanks Trump,' another user tweeted.
Meanwhile, back on actual Planet Earth: There are more than 4.5 million Norwegian Americans according to the most recent U.S. census, and most live in the Upper Midwest. Norwegian Americans currently comprise the 10th largest European ancestry group in the United States. 

And here is why:

The introduction of the Danish grain monopoly caused severe shortages of grain in Norway that led to famine and conflict. Crop failures led to a terrible period of famine in Norway which was followed by disease and dire poverty causing thousands of deaths. Norwegians began to look to America as an escape from the devastation, political strife and hunger.

So, devastation, political strife, and hunger is the answer. I wonder what is going to happen in Norway when the oil runs out and there isn't enough money to pay for all the useless non-working invaders?

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Anonymous Gurpgork January 12, 2018 6:16 AM  

Maybe Trump was talking about immigrants from Brussels?

Anonymous ZhukovG January 12, 2018 6:34 AM  

If North Western Europeans are no longer attracted to the United States, it is only further evidence of the need to remove 's**thole' populations from our country.

Anonymous CoolHand January 12, 2018 6:39 AM  

Why would we want the dirty scandi socialists either?

I say let 'em stay in their frozen hellhole with their variously fermented fishstuffs and rot.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 12, 2018 6:48 AM  

For all of the issues with the European immigration waves, it's probably important to remember that those waves were the people in the "f*** this s***" mode about their home countries. Which also probably well explains the American approach "and f*** everything in that general direction".

Hmm... invading Europe as a genetic desire to beat the hell out of the former home country? Hadn't ever really thought about that, though if England keeps going the way it is, there's going to be a lot of choice land to reclaim by arms.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass January 12, 2018 6:48 AM  

Ha! Beautiful retort, Vox!

For all the libs posturing about der Trumpenführer's comments (don't forget he is literally Hitler��), feel free to move to and live with these TPSed or resettled as refugees. Better yet, let them into your home.

As I've said for years, I'm for lower immigration because I've been abroad extensively, having lived in two countries other than America. I know what's coming.

Wait. You'll just virtue signal? RACISSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

We'll wait and see how much longer these SJWs in Norway virtue signal until Ahmed goes jihadi on them.

Also, if you drop Detroit, Chicago, and I forget the two other cities from our republic off the map, gun deaths go down to #4 from the bottom on the list,

Anonymous lsq78 January 12, 2018 7:04 AM  

Muh heritage 1/652385 norwegian!

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 12, 2018 7:04 AM  

The Leftist Immigration pablum is a complete lie.

They only want useless mouths from shithole countries.

Blogger Retrenched January 12, 2018 7:14 AM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius January 12, 2018 7:16 AM  

@7 Well that and programmers but they are perfectly willing to send those back if they aren't donating enough to Democrat PACs.

It saves their friends from having to provide retirement benefits.

As for why, Norwegians would want to come here...Shit have you been to Norway? I have. The food is fish and rutabaga stew. You have to ski before you can walk because a huge chunk of it is above the Arctic Circle.

And all that socialism comes with a huge price tag. You are paying taxes everytime you conduct any transaction. The price of everything there is nuts.

The cost of living is one of the worst in the world.

When I was there it was literally cheaper to send your dry cleaning to New York, then have it done anywhere in Norway.

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Blogger Desdichado January 12, 2018 7:24 AM  

According even to converged Wikipedia:

Population of Norwegians in Norway: 4.39 million.
Population of Norwegians in the US: 6.64 million

Blogger Amy January 12, 2018 7:26 AM  

Norwegians might potentially immigrate for lowered cost of living. Haitians for a higher standard of living (subsidized by taxpayers). Either way, both are seeking opportunities to improve aspects of their lives.

But only one is eucivic. And neither is necessary.

Anonymous Jeigh Di January 12, 2018 7:26 AM  

If you're going to invite people in, why not the white South Africans? Seems like they did a pretty good job in their own country before being forced to accept black rule.

Blogger robins111 January 12, 2018 7:27 AM  

Trump just used a laser pointer and the media couldn't resist attacking the dot. They just opened the door for a whole bunch of questions about Haiti and charitable funding, which circles back to Hillary..

Blogger Desdichado January 12, 2018 7:35 AM  

Sorry 4.64 milion. TYpo.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 12, 2018 7:48 AM  

A Norwegian is a Swede without the charisma.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 12, 2018 8:18 AM  

@13

Tell me about it. Afrikaners could actually improve things in the agricultural sector here.

Not going to happen though. They would vote Republican and Republicans will therefore never let them in.

Lemmings. A small, idotically suicidal mamal. Collective noun: A Republican.

Blogger Mats January 12, 2018 8:18 AM  

Did you notice, VD? The same people who like the quality of life in their lily white country are the same people who say that such quality wont be affected at all as their nations get less white.

Anonymous normally a lurker January 12, 2018 8:18 AM  

Norway was a poor backwater for most of its existence. Two reasons it became somethings else were whaling and oil. The whales are gone, their populations collapsed in nothingness. And in a few decades the oil will be gone too.
And then Norway will become a poor backwater once again. Sans "free healthcare" and the other blessings of cradle to grave welfareism I imagine.

Anonymous rienzi January 12, 2018 8:25 AM  

My daughter-in-law is Norwegian, so I know a lot of these folks. The boomers are all "invite the world, aren't we just so noble", the younger ones are all "turd world immigrant+concrete block+fjord=good thing"

As for why they might want to move here: that "free" healthcare comes at the expense of 50% income taxes on not-rich people, and a plain hot dog, small fries, and small coke, cost me $14 at a mall food court.

Still you probably don't want them here. Nicest people you'll ever meet, but they're all socialist as hell, and the second amendment is beyond their ability to mentally process.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 12, 2018 8:34 AM  

Psychedelic cat grass,

I've lived in a couple different countries, visited 12-14 more, and every time my plane one again touches hallowed ground, and I see the stars and stripes, a tear almost leaves my eye.

I've seen it all, and there's no place on earth like the USA.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 12, 2018 8:35 AM  

We now have an official denial of the "shithole countries" statement, which was to be expected. The sources were probably John Miller and Ronald Frump, so the Admin simply didn't do any actual denials to let the situation play out. It's helpful when your enemies do stupid things to help you.

But CNN panel folks literally had a meltdown on air. That's just a wonderful gift we've been given.

As for the Norwegians, any place that's effectively an island can do stupid things when you don't have to deal with certain consequences. Nice people, but the socialism has hurt them badly.

Anonymous CarpeOro January 12, 2018 8:49 AM  

I think the answer to the question of whence the "refugees" is in the SJW replies to Trump's tweet - the people from the world's less than desirable countries should skip over the horrible existence waiting for them in the USA. They should go straight to Norway, Germany and Sweden instead. Of course there might be a few more Anders Breviks that would step up, but it is all in the name of dieversity.

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii January 12, 2018 8:57 AM  

Let me think. An over-governments (Empire?) sets a non-free-market grain policy, starvation ensues. People leave for America.
I thought this was about Norwegians not Irish.
HWIK, I'm just a retarded boomer.

Blogger seeingsights January 12, 2018 9:02 AM  

Trump referring to Sweden indirectly alludes to a theory, propounded by Thomas Sowell, that ethnic groups differ from each other in education, wealth, health, crime rates, and even in specific talents.

Someone said to Milton Friedman, "There is no poverty in Scandinavia" and Friedman replied "There is no poverty among Scandinavian Americans". Friedman's point is that lack of poverty among Scandinavians is due not because of government polices, but because of their culture, such as attitudes toward work, honesty, and so forth.

For example, when I think of crooked European politicians, I do NOT think of Scandinavians. And I say this as someone who has zero Scandinavian ethnicity.

Anonymous John January 12, 2018 9:08 AM  

So if an Irish person asked why, today, they would want to immigrate to the United States, do you bring up the potato famine?

Blogger Zerk J January 12, 2018 9:12 AM  

@23. Saint Breivik, pray for us.

Anonymous Stickwick January 12, 2018 9:21 AM  

What BS. The Nordic countries are ludicrously expensive, and salaries aren't great. My husband was offered a job over there similar to what he has here in the U.S., and the "top" salary was a fraction of what he makes here. That's not even taking into account the much higher taxes. Our standard of living would drop appreciably if we moved over there.

Only the top performing small % of the population gets "free" education, while everyone pays for it. I have no idea what the quality of the healthcare is, but if it's anything like Canada's socialized system, then it's inferior to our system.

My husband says people are constantly propagandized in the Nordic countries to believe they have it much better over there, so be prepared to hear a lot of this nonsense.

Anonymous Eduardo January 12, 2018 9:29 AM  

Get ready America for a yuge Euromigration XD.

Man I can't to see what will happen when the economy breaks. Gonna go in the black market buy myself a AR or something though.

Anonymous Reenay January 12, 2018 9:33 AM  

We have free health care, free higher education, 5 weeks vacation 8 hours work a day.
Free healthcare, you say? Is this anything like that "free snacks" thing we have at work that we pay into a pool to have? Because I'm reminded of these fat co-workers that really shouldn't be eating snacks but keep grabbing up the lion's share. It would be a shame if we had healthcare freeloaders coming in from, oh, I don't know - sh*thole counties?

Free higher education, you say? Great, so what about the value of your bachelor's degrees? Sounds like you and your children will have to spend yet another decade of your lives not having children because you need to get a PhD to flip lefse on a grill.

Admittedly, we don't get as much vacation time, but we do have plenty of holidays.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 12, 2018 9:38 AM  

Someone said to Milton Friedman, "There is no poverty in Scandinavia" and Friedman replied "There is no poverty among Scandinavian Americans". Friedman's point is that lack of poverty among Scandinavians is due not because of government polices, but because of their culture, such as attitudes toward work, honesty, and so forth.

As Vox has said before: Culture is downstream from genetics!

Blogger Bucephalus January 12, 2018 9:50 AM  

We live in what is still the greatest country on Gods green earth. I for one, and reading many others here, are not going to go down without swinging, kicking and biting, and just give this great land away. End all immigration; a shithead from Haiti is as bad as a shithead socialist from Norway.

Anonymous kfg January 12, 2018 10:00 AM  

". . . healthcare free at the point of access . . ."

OK, so you have a clue. Are you refusing to unwrap it because you think you'll get more for it on ebay in the original packaging or something?

Blogger JohnofAustria January 12, 2018 10:03 AM  

Norway now is something like 92% white ethnic Norwegians, I wouldn't come to live in Detroit instead of that either.

Anonymous c matt January 12, 2018 10:22 AM  

To some extent, I can understand - why would you leave a perfectly decent country, even if it is for another perfectly decent country? Simple logic dictates that, percentage wise, a decent country is going to attract more people from sh-t holes than from other decent countries. Of course, that does not mean a decent country will always remain a decent country, or that it always was a decent country. But I can understand the Norwegian having no desire to come to the US, just as I can understand no American having any particular desire to migrate to Norway.

Whether we should accept people (and whom we should accept) from sh-thole countries is a separate issue.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 January 12, 2018 10:29 AM  

Europe is much more crowded than America with the population crammed into tiny houses and ugly apartment complexes. Similar to mexifornia or the big cities here in the U.S.

This makes it more difficult to transform hard work into material wealth, so the Europeans have opted for the nonmaterial wealth of a heavily subsidized existence that is less ambitious but has less stress and more free time.

Bring those Europeans to America where their labor can be realistically transformed into a large beautiful house on quarter plus acre of land and their politics will turn rightwards.

This is a prime reason that the Left is hellbent on an endless population explosion through mass immigration.
Overcrowding erodes ambition for self reliance and material wealth which turn people into sheeple for the State.

Anonymous Stickwick January 12, 2018 10:45 AM  

Bring those Europeans to America where their labor can be realistically transformed into a large beautiful house on quarter plus acre of land and their politics will turn rightwards.

We have Nordic friends who have lived in the U.S. for a few years and experienced a much higher standard of living, and they are still leftist in their politics. As one BMW-driving, swanky-house-dwelling Finnish friend said while he was drinking his $40 wine, "I still hate this country." He followed that up by a lecture on why the Republicans need to appeal more to minorities. The idea that coming to America and experiencing its benefits transforms people's thinking is mostly fantasy.

Blogger Gordon Scott January 12, 2018 10:51 AM  

to be fair, the Norskis have put much of their oil wealth into a sovereign fund, and only use the proceeds to fund government. That's a very Norski sort of thing to do, contra, say, the Saudis, who have pissed away most of their oil wealth.

And when your population is 95 percent ethnic Norski, everyone can agree to sacrifice together to live in an egalitarian way. What's more, the Norskis are about the only country in Europe to recognize the immivasion, and start deporting the criminals in serious numbers. They won't announce it, or talk about it in public, but they're doing it.

Another thing about Europe is how much they think they know about the US, but are wrong. Their impressions are from Hollywood, mostly, and lefty news sources (all of the journalism professors in Norway are Marxists). I.E. they think things here are much more hellish, and universally so, than they are.

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma January 12, 2018 10:58 AM  

Uh . . . the oil in Norway won't run out. But, yeah, immigration of undesirables is a net negative for any country.

Blogger wreckage January 12, 2018 11:00 AM  

@38, scratch the surface and you'll find most Euro polities are actually more dysfunctional than the USA.

Blogger wreckage January 12, 2018 11:01 AM  

@38 it's held together by kin selection. If the USA were run like most Euro nations it would have disintegrated in the 70's. Just IMHO.

Blogger James January 12, 2018 11:09 AM  

"President Trump on Wednesday balked at an immigration deal that would include protections for people from Haiti and African countries, demanding to know at a White House meeting why he should accept immigrants from “shithole countries” rather than people from places like Norway, according to people with direct knowledge of the conversation."

I am actually surprised that this is not the number one attack point of the left in the MSM and SJW's right now. Given their definition of racism, this would be proof of Trump being a "White supremacist". I wonder if they're avoiding it because of the "ugly" questions it will raise, about so-called "racism", Haitians, and, subsequently, blacks. You don't want the light to shine too far into the dark places.

Blogger Magson January 12, 2018 11:13 AM  

@16 -- "A Norwegian is a Swede without the charisma."

I dunno. I work with a Finn and he loathes Swedes and anything to do with Sweden, but thinks the Norse are all right.

That said, I've worked with several Swedes and I liked them just fine too. But it's all been work, I don't actually *know* them.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 12, 2018 11:16 AM  

normally a lurker wrote:in a few decades the oil will be gone too.

And then Norway will become a poor backwater once again.

Sans petroleum, Norway will still have massive amounts of hydropower.  That and a well-managed SWF could carry the country for a long time... but not if it fills up with dindus and their endless demands.

rienzi wrote:the younger ones are all "turd world immigrant+concrete block+fjord=good thing"
Gen Zyklon is a thing there too?  Good to hear!

Anonymous Athor Pel January 12, 2018 11:23 AM  

" 37. Anonymous Stickwick January 12, 2018 10:45 AM
...
We have Nordic friends who have lived in the U.S. for a few years and experienced a much higher standard of living, and they are still leftist in their politics. As one BMW-driving, swanky-house-dwelling Finnish friend said while he was drinking his $40 wine, "I still hate this country."
..."



Tell your friend, for me, that he is a liar.
People don't live in countries they hate unless forced to do so.
He is in the US willingly. Therefore liar.

Please forward one more message. Telling someone to their face that you hate their country while benefiting mightily from it is a sure way to end up in a house fire or a car wreck if talking to the wrong someone. More and more normal white bread Americans are being turned into those wrong someones by people just like your Nordic friends and the diversity they endorse.

Show those friends a clock. Tell them every second that ticks by is one more normal nice American radicalized. Eventually your Nordic friends will meet one of those radicalized Americans. It is inevitable.

They need to go back.

It's for their own good.

Anonymous andon January 12, 2018 11:30 AM  

28. Anonymous Stickwick January 12, 2018 9:21 AM

I have no idea what the quality of the healthcare is, but if it's anything like Canada's socialized system, then it's inferior to our system.


just anecdotal info but i hear that native Swedes are already unwelcome if they try to use the health care system in Sweden. Same thing going on with whites trying to get govt help in California.

Blogger DonReynolds January 12, 2018 11:37 AM  

"I wonder what is going to happen in Norway when the oil runs out and there isn't enough money to pay for all the useless non-working invaders?"

Vox....You already know.
The Norge will ask the EU and the USA and the NGOs to bring more money to Norway to solve the problem.
If that does not work, they will pack up the non-working invaders and transport them to Germany, or the UK, or Canada.
When everything else fails, the friggin Luthern Church will be delighted to settle the unemployable migrants in Michigan, or Ohio, or Minnesota, or Wisconsin, or the Dakotas.

We will not see Norwegians coming to these shores.

Blogger Cloudbuster January 12, 2018 11:46 AM  

"'I live in Norway and would never move to USA. We have free health care, free higher education, 5 weeks vacation 8 hours work a day. No thanks Trump,' another user tweeted."

Why would we care? You like your country, then stay in your country. Fine with us.

Anonymous BBGKB January 12, 2018 12:01 PM  

So if an Irish person asked why, today, they would want to immigrate to the United States, do you bring up the potato famine?

The same jew families who lobbied for impounding charity grain shipments to Ireland, are now pushing for shitlings to be let into Ireland on the dole.

Saint Breivik, pray for us.

Good thing Breivik took out those drilling holes in the boat before they had a chance to flee to another nation

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2018 12:04 PM  

StrongCoffee61 wrote:Bring those Europeans to America where their labor can be realistically transformed into a large beautiful house on quarter plus acre of land and their politics will turn rightwards.

Wrong. Norwegian-Americans are reliably socialist, even to the third generation, and beyond. They have to go back, too.

Anonymous Stickwick January 12, 2018 12:10 PM  

People don't live in countries they hate unless forced to do so.
He is in the US willingly. Therefore liar.


He's not a liar. His is a relatively mild expression of the same attitude that leads to Americans getting beat up for flying their own flag in their own country.

You don't have to love something to take what you can get from it. After all, rapists and thieves don't tend to love the victims they extract things from.

In this particular case, this man is here, because he's married to an American woman he met in Finland. They both work in tech, and combined make about $300k a year. They're planning to move back to Finland in a few years when their kids graduate from high school. I wish them all the best.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2018 12:12 PM  

Trump then suggested the US should welcome immigrants from places like Norway, whose prime minister met with Trump on Wednesday.

But Twitter users, some of them from Norway, quickly lashed out asking Trump: Why would Norwegians want to come to America?


``the US should welcome immigrants from places like Norway '' as a rhetorical device is very far from an actual invitation to Norwegians. It's not even an invitation to write legislation allowing them in. It might even be taken as a very polite way of saying: ``Really, we don't even want Norwegians, so why would we allow Shitholestanians?''

Don't get all big-headed, Sven, you aren't here yet. You aren't even on the guest list.

Blogger Cary January 12, 2018 12:25 PM  

Republican U.S. Representative Mia Love, a daughter of Haitian immigrants, said the comments were “unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nation’s values” and called on Trump to apologize to the American people and to the countries he denigrated.

Republican magic Haitian Mia Love demonstrates identity before ideology.

Blogger AaMcavoy January 12, 2018 12:33 PM  

Jeigh Di wrote:If you're going to invite people in, why not the white South Africans? Seems like they did a pretty good job in their own country before being forced to accept black rule.

They had nukes and accepted black rule. We don't need them.

Blogger AaMcavoy January 12, 2018 12:36 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:StrongCoffee61 wrote:Bring those Europeans to America where their labor can be realistically transformed into a large beautiful house on quarter plus acre of land and their politics will turn rightwards.

Wrong. Norwegian-Americans are reliably socialist, even to the third generation, and beyond. They have to go back, too.


Can confirm. My 3rd gen Norwegian-American grandfather votes R but still talks about the "good" social programs, like the Rural Electrification Act.

Anonymous Elder Son January 12, 2018 12:48 PM  

Told ya. My original American settler ancestors may be from Western Europe, but I don't want Europeans from anywhere migrating to America now. My ancestors cut their teeth and spilled their blood making America. They were a whole different stock from today's Euroweenies. We don't need immigration, from anywhere, for any reason.

Anonymous Lutefisking January 12, 2018 12:48 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:StrongCoffee61 wrote:Bring those Europeans to America where their labor can be realistically transformed into a large beautiful house on quarter plus acre of land and their politics will turn rightwards.

Wrong. Norwegian-Americans are reliably socialist, even to the third generation, and beyond. They have to go back, too.


I dunno if my Grandfather (2nd generation from Norwegian emigration) was Socialist or not, so I can't corroborate your thesis there. . (Plus, if his father married a woman of Irish descent, which was he-- Irish or Norwegian?)
My father was not Socialist in politics or culture (even though he worked for the US Dept of Agriculture), but he's buried here on US soil, so he can stay.
I reject Socialism outright, but a couple of my siblings have turned out that way. Could we send them "back" to Norway?
(I do have a VERY SJW niece who, when Trump was elected, amid her tears and screams wondered if she could move to Norway, since she had some family roots there. I helpfully sent her information on how to contact the embassy and look into moving there. She hasn't moved yet, so I don't know what her problem is.)

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2018 1:20 PM  

AaMcavoy wrote:Jeigh Di wrote:If you're going to invite people in, why not the white South Africans? Seems like they did a pretty good job in their own country before being forced to accept black rule.

They had nukes and accepted black rule. We don't need them.


Besides that, they aren't us.

It might be good to enable them to drive off the kaffirs and make Suid Afrika great again, but it couldn't be good for us to let them bring their cucked culture here. I don't care if it's good for them.

Anonymous andon January 12, 2018 1:34 PM  

54. Blogger AaMcavoy January 12, 2018 12:33 PM

They had nukes and accepted black rule.


did they have any choice? the entire world was against them


Anonymous Elder Son January 12, 2018 1:40 PM  

did they have any choice? the entire world was against them

And how is that working out now?

Anonymous andon January 12, 2018 1:51 PM  

And how is that working out now?

again, i dont see how they had much choice. they couldnt even get gasoline

I dont see the need to blame the victims and the whites that built South Africa and Rhodesia are indeed the victims of what happened

Blogger Demonic Professor El January 12, 2018 1:56 PM  

@5 Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass

"...if you drop Detroit, Chicago, and I forget the two other cities from our republic off the map, gun deaths go down to #4 from the bottom on the list..."

If the US had the same demographics as Europe, we'd have a per capita crime rate on with most European countries. Hmmm...

Granted, Western Europes's crime rate has skyrocketed lately. I wonder why?

Blogger DonReynolds January 12, 2018 1:56 PM  

Norway was part of Denmark for 434 years, until 1814. The Danes being on the losing side of the Napoleonic Wars, Norway was stripped from Denmark and handed over to the Swedes, who did not release the Norge to full independence until 1905, the first time in over 500 years.

Blogger Demonic Professor El January 12, 2018 2:02 PM  

As per Afrikaners - one could always set up agribusiness internships and then hire them. Use that visa system!

I've met a couple who worked with lumber in SA. That's a route.

I knew more than a few Afrikaners who got whatever kind of degree to leave SA for good. Accountants, finance, business internships and work opportunities as well.

This would require greater research, but that's one way to get S. Afrikaners in the US. Just make sure to only nab a couple lest the Feds investigate.

Anonymous Elder Son January 12, 2018 2:29 PM  

I dont see the need to blame the victims and the whites that built South Africa and Rhodesia are indeed the victims of what happened

And they doubled-down by capitulating.

Should we double-down and capitulate to massive migration because the whole world is against us? If the whole world threatened to, EMP us?

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 12, 2018 2:33 PM  

CoolHand wrote:Why would we want the dirty scandi socialists either?

I say let 'em stay in their frozen hellhole with their variously fermented fishstuffs and rot.


Swedish surströmming is yummy if you have the genes to enjoy it and lutefish prepared correctly is not bad at all. You might also try lingonberry Jelly if there a Swedish store or an Ikea near you. Like Cilantro some people find it tastes like soap (its naturally heavy on sodium benzoate) but if it doesn't its delightful on meat

try the Ikea meatball dinner with the lingonberry jelly (you may have to ask as its optional in some places , Chinese people who love Ikea can't eat it) lingonsaft (basically lingonberry juice drink) and a desert. Reasonably priced and tasty.

Cloudberries though can fuck off back to Scandinavia.

Anyway cuisine digression aside Scandinavian Social Democracy works fine at least with Scandinavians . Life expectancies areslightly higher and fertility is the same . Sometimes Sweden has a higher White TFR than the US does!

Many Americans seem to like it was well and the US did fine up till LBJ tried to have guns and butter and of course we allowed immigration. That's killing them to. No immigrants, many less problems.

If you want a Libertarian America, you'll need a time machine to stop the many of Germans among others from migrating. Only Anglos like Libertarianism

What is broken here and there is immigration and to a degree family structures/moral values etc .

Otherwise both systems work fine.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 12, 2018 2:39 PM  

Demonic Professor El wrote:If the US had the same demographics as Europe, we'd have a per capita crime rate on with most European countries. Hmmm...

even the liberals know this. Ann Coulter mentioned it and the "fact checking" by them found it to be true.

The funny thing right now its on the high end of Europe about that of Finland however this is using a sketchy and political charged definition of White

Counting only people of European extraction and excluding mestizos and others like Arabs, Afghans and Lebanese that get put in for political reasons our homicide rate would be on the lower end of Europe

If you are all White and .Alt Right it'll be all Tight or something

Blogger Al January 12, 2018 3:18 PM  

Sadly, Norwegians are now a pack of typically pathetic white ethnomasochists desperate to be eternally gang-raped by Paco, Jamal, and Abdul as the ultimate form of virtue-signaling

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 12, 2018 3:24 PM  

Elder Son wrote:My ancestors cut their teeth and spilled their blood making America. They were a whole different stock from today's Euroweenies. We don't need immigration, from anywhere, for any reason.

Hear, hear! Close the borders. Visiting only.

Blogger Feather Blade January 12, 2018 4:07 PM  

AaMcavoy wrote:Ominous Cowherd wrote:StrongCoffee61 wrote:Bring those Europeans to America where their labor can be realistically transformed into a large beautiful house on quarter plus acre of land and their politics will turn rightwards.

Wrong. Norwegian-Americans are reliably socialist, even to the third generation, and beyond. They have to go back, too.


Can confirm. My 3rd gen Norwegian-American grandfather votes R but still talks about the "good" social programs, like the Rural Electrification Act.


From what I'm told, this is why states like (for example) Idaho are now Republican: settled by various flavors of Scandinavians, who benefitted from the New Deal and therefore voted Democrat until that party left them far, far behind.

However, get the descendants early enough, and it's not hard to inculcate them with the "federal funding = federal chains" attitude.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 12, 2018 4:14 PM  

Al wrote:Sadly, Norwegians are now a pack of typically pathetic white ethnomasochists desperate to be eternally gang-raped by Paco, Jamal, and Abdul as the ultimate form of virtue-signaling

Scandinavia and all of Europe is far far more White than America and Brehvik at least was willing to use force to defend his homeland and did so effectively

Also nationalism is rising and even Sweden is telling refuges to stay home

The US?

Well we got Trump which is something but we'll have far harder a time of it than they will.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 12, 2018 4:26 PM  

AaMcavoy wrote:Can confirm. My 3rd gen Norwegian-American grandfather votes R but still talks about the "good" social programs, like the Rural Electrification Act.

You do realize that the US was at its most prosperous under social democracy? Things like the WPA and the REA brought the rural parts of American great property . That horrible socialist Interstate Highway made modern America.

Very few companies would do what Henry Ford did preferring the closest to slavery they could get C.F Company Store C.F Sixteen Tons

At one point in 1909 a labor protests ended up with the US army bombing protesters trying to get better wages and benefits

And while Treasury Secretary Mellon was right in the need to get the rot out of the system average folks without money or work don't have two years to wait. A few days, a few months is all people have

And note how bad it in the 30's and beyond was the US total fertility rate despite little feminism, no easy divorce, no birth control, no abortion and uniform Christianity was way below replacement and did not recover till the late 40's

This was not despite Roosevelt but because of him.

Honestly anyone should be glad Roosevelt was elected because the alternative was much worse, Nazism or Communism or who knows what else.

Blogger Gordon Scott January 12, 2018 4:44 PM  

Now, now, AB: We all know that Roosevelt was just like the other socialist dictators of the 1930s: He'd do whatever it took to stay in office, and would only leave feet first. Well, except for Mussolini. He got shoved out, and wound up head under heels.

Anonymous andon January 12, 2018 4:51 PM  

Should we double-down and capitulate to massive migration because the whole world is against us?

we have the benefit of seeing what's happened to them

i dont see why your anger is directed at them btw. they fought armies of blacks who were funded and equipped by Soviets etc.

would most current U.S. citizens do that or flee?


Anonymous Elder Son January 12, 2018 9:01 PM  

I am not angry at them. And, what happened to them, was a given and foreseeable, when they capitulated. Now, they are suffering the consequences.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 12, 2018 9:21 PM  

There are some interesting things about Norway, and it's rather pretty, but £24 for a double cheese burger, fries, and an EU-manufactured Coca-Cola product?

Admittedly, this was about two hundred miles north of the Arctic Circle, but prices for everyday things there are shocking even to Londoners.

How are these "immigrants" getting by unless they're being given practically everything they need?

Anonymous Elder Son January 13, 2018 12:57 AM  

There are some interesting things about Norway... It is also a cradle to grave welfare/socialist state. Do we really want them, and todays Europeans, migrating to America, and complimenting our own socialist voters with their votes?

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 13, 2018 1:49 AM  

Gordon Scott wrote:Now, now, AB: We all know that Roosevelt was just like the other socialist dictators of the 1930s: He'd do whatever it took to stay in office, and would only leave feet first. Well, except for Mussolini. He got shoved out, and wound up head under heels.

Roosevelt was reelected time and again by the American people who mostly liked what he was doing. You can go on about how bad social democracy is but its popular throughout the developed world and works fairly well

Human societies throughout history redistributed wealth, created make-work, regulated trade and commerce , built infrastructure and did all those terrible socialist things and most of them thrived and prospered because they did it, not despite doing it

Social Security isn't killing population growth, automation urbanization, cultural Marxism and TV is

Also while on the topic of social security and the old shibboleth of "well if people didn't have retirement programs they'd have kids to take care of them"

well no. In the Middle Ages they sold annuities that guaranteed you a retirement at a monastery. That was maybe 800 to 1000 years ago

You might find that not having a child (and note birth control is not going anywhere unless we turn into a theocracy or collapse) and buying an annuity is sounder than a child that might not pay the bills.

Way too much thinking is old thinking from the industrial and and before , computers and automation have changed society in a profound manner and any solution that doesn't take them into account will fail

Elder Son wrote:There are some interesting things about Norway... It is also a cradle to grave welfare/socialist state. Do we really want them, and todays Europeans, migrating to America, and complimenting our own socialist voters with their votes?

Future USA might not be as Capitalist as you think even if its Whiter and in that case we might choose a social democratic route or might not. This does not preclude it being the West either

Also note to anyone spouting ((Ayn Rand)), you do realize she was a sociopath right? There is a reason that the Satanic Bible cribs her work, if he existed he'd have dictated a lot of her work to her. Selfishness and disdain for nation and family is wicked

This doesn't mandate social democracy and even Rand's disdain is less evil than Communism, what it does say is economic systems are basically irrelevant to what it means to be The West save that we aren't Communist

In any case we don't need ANY immigrants from anywhere for any reason, caveat a tiny number of scientists or something

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 13, 2018 2:29 AM  

Social Democracy is part of the Germanic culture.
Attaching yourself to the Big Man and being his loyal retainer is part of Celtic culture.
Anglo-Celtic culture synthesized these two into the concept of Noblesse Oblige, the obligation of the Lord to ensure the prosperity of his household, his lieges his peasants and even his servants.

All of which was tossed out in the go-go early Industrial Revolution, in the grasping drive to make more more and yet more money.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf January 13, 2018 3:13 AM  

My thoughts about the children whose parents brought them to the USA. They should take a test to ensure they are fluent in English. Those that are not will have to be deported back to their parents country of origin, together with their parents. Those who are here and are productive, should be given a work VISA. No way can they be allowed to vote. As for Norwegian socialists, IMO we don't need them. The idea of giving refugee status to persecuted White S.A. is appealing. But most of all, we must end the State's ability to provide welfare and education. These are undermining all of society. Welfare must return to the providence of the church. Education must be privatised. Which will mean ending regulatory capture through state professional licencing.

Anonymous Elder Son January 13, 2018 3:30 AM  

Anything but communism. With some lordship.

That makes a pretty good case to migrate to Europe.

Or, we could could just make America Europe again.

Blogger Robert What? January 13, 2018 8:00 PM  

Every bleeding heart virtue signalling White Liberal who is “offended” by Trump’s (supposed) statement about shithole countries has to ask themselves this question: who would you rather have move into your neighborhood: a block full of Haitians or a block full of Norwegians? If you say Norwegians you are a racist. If you say Haitians you are a liar.

Blogger AaMcavoy January 14, 2018 1:26 PM  

AB.Prosper wrote:AaMcavoy wrote:Can confirm. My 3rd gen Norwegian-American grandfather votes R but still talks about the "good" social programs, like the Rural Electrification Act.

You do realize that the US was at its most prosperous under social democracy?
.


Thank you for illustrating my point. You and (some? most?) of the Scand-Americans think prosperity is more important than freedom. Unlike the Americans before them.

Anonymous Rick Moen January 15, 2018 9:01 PM  

Theo, there are some problems with your narrative including the references to Scandinavian history. One: Norwegian emigration to the USA started in 1825, when the sloop "Restauration" carried the first several dozen families over from Stavanger, and most settled in the Midwest. Norway had ceased being Danish after the Congress of Vienna (technically after the Treaty of Kiel) in 1814 handed Norway as fortunes of war to Sweden, which unlike the Danes had been on the winning side of the Napoleonic wars. Consequently, Norway would have been little affected by Denmark's stupid mercantilist policies (the prevailing economic stupidity of the 17th/18th Centuries), even if those had still been extant in the 19th Century -- but in any event said Danish blunder ended in 1788.

The biggest cause of Norwegian poverty and famine (and consequently emigration) in the 19th Century was the Little Ice Age, which blighted agriculture all over northern Europe until around 1850. Norway's scant agricultural acreage had always been barely productive but now could no longer support a population that had just started to recover from being hit very hard by the Black Death. It didn't help that stronger economies further south kept buying key productive assets, such that forests, mines, rivers, etc., were largely in foreign hands, feeding a downward economic spiral until WWI, when selling to both sides of that war helped newly independent Norway repatriate national assets.

Second, the fact that 1/3 of Norway's population (about a million) emigrated to the USA and Canada over a period roughly matching the 19th Century, back when their country of birth was in desperate straits, casts zero light on the likelihood of them doing so today when it isn't. (Recent statistics show fewer of my Norwegian kin choose to come to the USA than just about any other country of origin, FWIW.)

It's an interesting question what happens to Norway when the oil runs out, but the Norwegians have, unlike most oil states, been soberly planning for that day all the decades of the North Sea oil boom, which is why their sovereign wealth fund is one of the largest and carefully run ones on earth, and to the extent the country is spending it locally it's been mostly on durable infrastructure such as badly needed tunnels and other long-term improvements.

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com
(Norwegian-American & history nerd, son of a Great Depression refugee from Kristiansund, Møre og Romsdal province)

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