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Wednesday, January 10, 2018

Blowing the lid off

An article entitled New Book Blows the Lid Off the Dark World of Child Sex Abuse in Sci-Fi Fandom is now trending on PJ Media.
Moira Greyland is the daughter of famous authors Marion Bradley Zimmer and Walter Breen. She has written a memoir about growing up in a "queer" family and suffering hideous child abuse. In The Last Closet: The Dark Side of Avalon, Greyland details the horror of being a helpless child trapped in a far left fantasy world. The world constructed by her mother, author of The Mists of Avalon, and her father, author of Greek Love (a book literally detailing why pedophilia is fine and even good) was a dark and frightening world. Unfortunately, though many saw how unhappy Greyland and her siblings were, no one stepped in to stop it and, in fact, turned a blind eye.

Greyland's description of her family's philosophy is chilling. "All sex is always right no matter what." This philosophy forced her to endure being raped by her father at the achingly innocent age of four and molested by her mother throughout her childhood. Both her parents insisted she was gay because they believed that every person is naturally homosexual and will be homosexual if not corrupted by heterosexual experiences. Through the exposure to two gay parents and relatives and their friends, Greyland developed a theory about homosexuality that is very unpopular.

"It is my belief that homosexuality is a matter of IMPRINTING, in the same way that BDSM fantasies are," she explains in the book. "To the BDSM'er, continued practice of the fantasy is sexually exciting. To the gay person, naturally, the same. However, from what I have seen, neither one creates healing. My mother became a lesbian because she was raped by her father. My father was molested by a priest--and regarded it as being the only love he had ever experienced. There are a vanishingly few people who are exclusively gay, but far more who have relationships with people of BOTH genders, as my parents and other relatives did."

This, of course, is not allowed to be discussed in the age of the Gaystappo, which must be praised at all times. But do we not owe it to the children raised in these environments to hear their experiences? Does the #MeToo craze include the children of gays who did not have idyllic experiences?
Read the whole thing. It's a remarkably in-depth article about Moira Greyland's The Last Closet.

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49 Comments:

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 10, 2018 7:39 PM  

They wish that Castalia was a vanity press.

Blogger The Kurgan January 10, 2018 7:42 PM  

I have bought her book and invited her to be part of the Dread Ilk deep underground cavern system of nuclear bunkers, which she graciously accepted, but I fear reading that book will mean you would end seeing me on TV.
With a flamethrower.
Cleansing the Vatican.

Anonymous RedJack January 10, 2018 7:43 PM  

My wife's cousin is gay. Started showing signs about the time a ballet teacher started to mentor him. My late father in law told his parents "That teachers is F***ING HIM!"

I can't say that every gay person I have known was molested, but many of them were.

Anonymous RedJack January 10, 2018 7:45 PM  

Kurgan,

I won't read the book. I don't trust myself to. I am a father.

The Red Wolf would probably be let off the chain if anything happened to them like that. And my better nature would let it.

Anonymous Anonymous January 10, 2018 7:59 PM  

Sorry Late for dinner, you lose me as a customer.
Maybe your the Biggest SJW pretending to be a conservative

Anonymous TD January 10, 2018 8:14 PM  

Finished it today, still digesting it. Still trying to think of how to phrase a review for Amazon.

I'm curious what was VD's biggest input as the editor.

Blogger SteelPalm January 10, 2018 8:15 PM  

I saw this on Jon Del Arroz's Facebook page this morning and liked it so much I sent it to several friends. Megan Fox has written a number of fine articles, and this is another one.

Indeed, a lot of homosexuals are created through trauma. Much like MZB becoming lesbian because her dad raped her, I know another lesbian (even attended her wedding) who became one after she was raped by a man.

Furthermore, we know that homosexuality is not purely genetic (among identical twins, if one is gay, the other is gay only 15% of the time), so environmental factors, like trauma, are very important. It would be good to research what percentage of cases are caused by this, but of course, much like domestic violence rates among lesbian couples, such a study would be quickly squashed.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 10, 2018 8:23 PM  

Like Pinker has supposedly alluded to the whacky censorship gets the baby thrown out as well. And the LGBT gang being yet another clown protected class is creating its own fragility

FTR I was for Gay "liberation" as I thought it a necessary first step in sorting through this in a humane fashion.

Anonymous Avalanche January 10, 2018 8:27 PM  

One of the hardest things, one of the most important things, is to SAY IT OUT LOUD! You have to make it REAL by saying it out loud, and by saying it TO people, even when those people recoil in horror and rejection.

Because so much of it is wrapped up in silence: forced silence, shamed silence, helpless and hopeless silence... SAYING IT OUT LOUD is the first (ha.) *baby* step toward freedom. Toward regaining your self.

Moira has done such an amazing and brave thing by saying it -- not merely in her own life -- but out in public, out LOUD, where people can hear.

To those of you who bought the book but dare not -- or would rather not -- read it: Vox Day says one of the things that brought him to God was learning / seeing / knowing that evil IS incarnate in this world. Please reconsider your choice. If you cannot truly KNOW what evil there is in this world, how then can you truly know how vital it is for "good men to do something"?

Some of you say you can't or won't read it because you're a father: if you do not know HOW little children are groomed, how will you know what to watch for? How will you teach your child how to say no to an adult, and what your child should know to watch for? How will you overcome the natural embarrassment and reticence (and your child's "awwww dad, let's REALLY not talk about this!") to speak openly and clearly (at an age-appropriate level, which starts WAY earlier than you may think!) about these sorts of predators and evil in the world?

"I don't want to know" is part of what keeps us silent. Moira wrote that she thought she'd be excoriated for 'exposing the bad side to MZB' -- and was amazed when people responded warmly and gratefully and from all over the world. SILENCE is how we "moderns" deal with this horrible 'secret' -- and SILENCE is what keeps it hidden and secret and allows the deviants to do it!!

I'm 62; I am still reduced to tears over a thing that happe... that was DONE TO ME when I was 15. Telling it to friends is still hard. Telling it to family has been impossible. {shrug} It's a tangle of embarrassment, and shame, and fury at myself for not knowing better how to protect myself, for being "too nice" to ask someone to help me, and fury at the filth who tried to harm me. (Funny (?) I'm WAY more angry at myself than at him... "TNB what would you expect," but I expected better of my young innocent self...

If YOU refuse to know... who am I to force you to hear me? Moira is asking you to hear her. Read the book.

Blogger Rashadjin January 10, 2018 8:27 PM  

Heh. They wish indeed.

What few people seemed to pick up during the Milo ordeal was one bit that surfaced from the George Takei of Star Trek fame radio interview. Takei specifically stated that he had no idea he was gay until an older male camp counselor type initiated a sexual encounter with him, one he spun as a positive thing in his mind. Which basically means he wasn't gay until that moment imprinted on him and changed his sexuality forever.

And I once read an account from a gay man leaving the lifestyle. His case was one where his father was somewhere between incredibly distant and absent, and so his need for a positive male relationship drove him to the point where it became sexual.

Broken families; broken lives. Virtually every single one. And those few remaining imprinted themselves willingly.

Which is why you homeschool if you're unfortunate enough to live in a place like California or Canada where the sexual insanity is at its peak.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 10, 2018 8:35 PM  

"It is my belief that homosexuality is a matter of IMPRINTING, in the same way that BDSM fantasies are," she explains in the book. "To the BDSM'er, continued practice of the fantasy is sexually exciting. To the gay person, naturally, the same. However, from what I have seen, neither one creates healing.

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion not long ago. Imprinting from early sexual experience creates an association that, strengthened by repetition, becomes a fixation.

Blogger raneman January 10, 2018 8:36 PM  

Yeah TD I had the same problem. Got a review copy so I had given my word I would and I did, but it was tough. How do you properly react to something so completely beyond your experience? You just try and do the best you can I guess.

Blogger Bobiojimbo January 10, 2018 8:46 PM  

I've noticed the same thing. George Takei was molested at age 13 - gay. Lena Dunham admitted to molesting her sister, her sister is now gay. There are probably more that I'm unaware, but you know the old saying: once is fluke, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a trend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REH5wNFpE40

https://www.truthrevolt.org/news/lena-dunham-describes-sexually-abusing-her-toddler-sister

Anonymous Viiidad January 10, 2018 8:56 PM  

Reading this book will actually make you a better parent.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 10, 2018 9:20 PM  

Moira Greyland's observation on sexual imprinting may be the most important part of the entire book. Because it's an atomic bomb dropped on the entire "born homosexual" idea that lies at the foundation of the entire modern attitude toward homosexuality.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 10, 2018 9:28 PM  

I am reading the book.  It is not an easy read.  It is taking far longer than I expected or hoped.

I will contribute a review when I am done, and not one minute sooner.  Anything less would be unfair to Moira and everyone and everything else involved.

Anonymous Just another commenter January 10, 2018 9:34 PM  

*sigh*
Guess I'll have to bread down and read it. I know more than I'd like to about this evil, but it sounds like there are some good things covered in there I wasn't familear with.

I also note it picked up its first 1-star review.

Anonymous Tsalal January 10, 2018 9:43 PM  

There are "Normal" gays but probably rare as hen's teeth.

https://medium.com/@bretnighman/anthony-edwards-is-telling-the-truth-2a54c2bde848

Blogger pdwalker January 10, 2018 9:54 PM  

Well said Avalanche.

Blogger Rashadjin January 10, 2018 10:23 PM  

@16 Tsalal

Possibly so on that one, but he started having gay encounters as a youngish teen too. The initial leaning, for whatever reason, got reinforced and solidified with actual gay sexual activity.

The interesting question is how many of those like him, with those initial gay leanings, shifted away in their late teens/early twenties to standard hetero because they didn't get groomed and didn't have their first real sexual encounters defined by homosexuality. It's something we'll never really know, but I'm betting there's a fair number of them in that tiny population.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 10, 2018 10:24 PM  

I've known entire families of victims without one tenth of Moira's courage. She it's an amazing woman. I'm sorry I ever read any of her mother's books.

This is a very hard book to read but necessary. I couldn't finish the appendixes but it is a full book even without it.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 10, 2018 10:42 PM  

Repetition compulsion is a motherfucker.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( the Original Militant Apathist ) January 10, 2018 11:36 PM  

13. Napoleon 12pdr January 10, 2018 9:20 PM
Moira Greyland's observation on sexual imprinting may be the most important part of the entire book.



but that knowledge is readily available to anyone who bothers to inform themselves of history.

why was homosexual pederasty a near universal practice of the nominally heterosexual and married-to-women elites of Ancient Greece?

why is/was baka bazi so widely practiced in Turkey?

the fact that communities of Sodom can be created via the modification of cultural mores is rather obvious ... if one simply dares to open their eyes.


i'm curious what will happen if PJMedia ever dares to swallow the Black Pill about the reality of the GOPedophiles ...

Anonymous andon January 10, 2018 11:54 PM  

.....they believed that every person is naturally homosexual and will be homosexual if not corrupted by heterosexual experiences.

who would believe this?

its upside down world

Blogger buscaraons January 10, 2018 11:59 PM  

I'm curious. If Moria's observation that homosexuality is by imprinting. What does that imply for treatment? Does it mean that homosexuality can be reversed or at the very least quelled? And does this have something to do with conversion therapy?
xavier

Blogger Akulkis January 11, 2018 12:07 AM  

Just so it is PERFECTLY CLEAR, this is what the Berkeley community and WorldCON knew in 1963:

http://breendoggle.wikia.com/wiki/Breendoggle_Wiki

TL;DR -- They knew EVERYTHING about Breen's degenerate behavior. One woman advised her children to stay in their rooms, and use all of the furniture to barricade the door whenever Breen would be around, until her "we gotta be inclusive!!" husband finally got a pair and banned Breen from their home.

Blogger Akulkis January 11, 2018 12:27 AM  

#22

It means, at a minimum, the need for a very skilled hypnotherapist. A big problem is that the level of sexual trauma needed to cause someone to want partake, and even initiate such degenerate behavior also causes Borderline Personality Disorder. People with BPD tend to feel so awful about themselves that they are terrified of admitting to any mistake or flaw, and thereby they are terrified of any sort of idea which leads to the conclusion that they need to change.

It's incredibly difficult to get a BPD into any sort of treatment, and even if they do, the moment the idea surfaces that they must change, they will immediately cause havoc and drama. For that reason, most therapists refuse to see BPD's, and most of the remainder merely humor the BPD subject while staying far away from the subject of change.

Notice how rare it is for any homosexual to admit for ANY need for change or that their sexual preferences have anything to do with mental illness.

Blogger Robert January 11, 2018 12:34 AM  

Interesting that most of the PJ media articles that mention Vox and Vox-related projects like this and Alt-Hero seem to be by the same author, Megan Fox; I believe she also used the term gamma male in another article. I wonder does she follow this blog and the alt-right or does she just have a crush on Vox?

Anonymous Albert January 11, 2018 1:18 AM  

The Bradley/Breen philosophy seems easier to understand once the Three Laws are applied:

They were lying, so they knew that people are naturally heterosexual. They were projecting, so they believed that everyone is vulnerable to being corrupted by early molestation. (In places like the Middle East where it happens all the time, seems to affect up to half the population. The rest are secure in their heterosexuality no matter what they endure.) They doubled down . . . and how!

Blogger Akulkis January 11, 2018 1:35 AM  

" "".....they believed that every person is naturally homosexual and will be homosexual if not corrupted by heterosexual experiences.""

who would believe this?

its upside down world"

Just like how EVERYTHING was upside down during the entire Gaybama administration.

Anonymous Naga January 11, 2018 6:22 AM  

What is the treatment for these 'imprints'?

Anonymous Cindy January 11, 2018 7:14 AM  

"I wonder does she follow this blog and the alt-right or does she just have a crush on Vox?"

I see no reason why it couldn't be both, but let's be polite and assume it's the former. ;)

Anonymous Cindy January 11, 2018 7:17 AM  

"What is the treatment for these 'imprints'?"

Moira tells us in the book: Jesus.

Conversion therapy is likely bs. Jesus, repentance of our own sins, regardless of what has been done to us by others, is the cure for what ails us all.

Anonymous Naga January 11, 2018 8:03 AM  

Thanks, Cindy.

Anonymous TheTruthIsAlwaysUnacceptable January 11, 2018 9:57 AM  

Cindy wrote:"What is the treatment for these 'imprints'?"

Moira tells us in the book: Jesus.

Conversion therapy is likely bs. Jesus, repentance of our own sins, regardless of what has been done to us by others, is the cure for what ails us all.


Part of the biblical reason for Jesus being the cure is that the classic "born again" experience creates in the person a "new man" and new person, freed from the former corruption and able to pursue holiness and righteousness. That is extremely significant and why becoming a Christian can in principal cure almost any deviancy.

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2018 10:19 AM  

@24 ... the level of sexual trauma needed to cause someone to want partake, and even initiate such degenerate behavior also causes Borderline Personality Disorder.

Please, let's change "also" to "often" or perhaps just "sometimes." (Or has the DSM widened the diagnosis so far as to include anyone at all?)

I have been thinking about dear Milo, and his experiences and ... life choice... Which "choice" was chosen FOR him by Father Mike. Boy children DO have an "imprinting" age; it's nowhere nearly as hard-bound as with, say, geese. (Geese imprint on whatever moves in front of them when they hatch. Thus Konrad Lorenz with his experiments; and that guy who imprinted Snow Geese and used an ultralight to teach them the path for their lost migration.) Most (maybe all?) male children reach an age (probably a hormonal status) that leads them to become sexually "set." (For my husband, it was around 11 when he saw a picture of a Las Vegas showgirl. "Target locked!" THAT became the body type he was ... pointed toward ... for the rest of his life. That is why males fetishists are so much more common that female ones: the male gets "set" on a specific (or specific class) of sexual object. (Why do you think most gays who predate, predate young boys?! "Get 'em before they're eight" is the rule... Breen was actually right: you gotta MAKE 'em before they turn normal!)

When Milo made his slip about pedophilia (and everyone piled on -- because it allowed them to drive him from fame; that mob was just as wrong as the mob going after Trump about "they LET you grab them..."), anyone looking (or perhaps, it's as Vox suggested about me here somewhere: you have to be one to see one?) could have seen that little "gay" boy throwing bravado out to hide his pain. (In my case -- I used to *brag* that "I was the kid (one of three daughters) who got HIT the most, but I provoked it the most!" It wasn"t until my 30s that I finally 'discovered' that it's NEVER the job of a 6-(8-, 10-)yr-old to prevent an adult from losing his temper! (Who knew?!) My cocky bragging was (an attempt at emotional) protection; it was saying: "no, this didn't HAPPEN to me; I CAUSED it!" Dja not SEE Milo "joking" about: "I wanted it!" and "*I* seduced Father Mike"!? (No, I'm about 90% sure he did not!)

And underneath was all the confusion and shame and self-dislike or hatred and desperate love for the parent(s) (or beloved adult in the case of the priest); and, as with most children: the attribution of guilt to that child's self (by that child!) for whatever was done ... such as Moira so beautifully and sympathetically exposes about herself.

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2018 10:20 AM  

People with BPD tend to feel so awful about themselves that they are terrified of admitting to any mistake or flaw, and thereby they are terrified of any sort of idea which leads to the conclusion that they need to change.

Because: IF ONLY you can figure out what you did wrong -- or how to avoid doing "it" wrong (and you never ever can! It's never the 6-yr-old's fault!!) -- then you will be safe (then s/he will LOVE you)! IF ONLY you are exactly perfect, it won't (you won't cause it to) happen again! I'm working with a phone-friend (a control-nik with panic attacks) -- he always felt/feels better after punishment... Well, yes: because the scared anticipation of his mother arriving home, and either being a raging harridan who would search the house for something he and his brother "didn't do" or "did wrong" so she could lose her temper and punish them (or, maybe she'd come home calm and be normal – so they escaped!) meant that: punishment ended the "who is she going to be today?" AND "is she going to lose it and hurt me today?" (That SHE was acting out -- was abusing because she had lost two babies and fell into depression and then the booze -- was no excuse; but no child understands that! They just know that after punishment, the storm has passed: so punishment is GREAT! It means you're safe (well, hurt, but still alive!)

Can you folks who piled onto Milo with vitriol back then just not SEE the little boy with great central fundamental pain that drives him?! I said to my younger sister, when I hit ~30 and began struggling with this-all: "I'm afraid if I start crying about this I will NEVER stop!" My older sister, who had "done the work" two years before was a help; and then she and I could help the younger when she hit ~30.

(Age 30 is the first "Saturn Return": when Saturn returns to the place in your natal chart. Before you all rise up: MOST humans hit age ~30 (28 to 32) and "throw their lives into the air": are they doing / living / heading toward what they want their lives to be? What's working or not working in their lives? They divorce or marry; they start a company or quit one; they have kids or decide to never have kids ... or somehow *redefine* their path. It happens again around age 60 (~58 to 62). Astrology DESCRIBES that period of self-redefinition, it doesn't cause it!)

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2018 10:21 AM  

It's incredibly difficult to get a BPD into any sort of treatment, and even if they do, the moment the idea surfaces that they must change, they will immediately cause havoc and drama.

To ADMIT you did not cause your injuries, you were not the reason your parent (or whomever) DID things to you -- means you really WERE helpless and hopeless! (OMG! THIS is life?!) They didn't love you after all and do those things to you because there was something about YOU! I, and I'd guess Milo and many MANY abused kids pretend to be whole adults, pretend that we're not forever injured, pretend that we're getting along in life fine! (And then it leaks out around the margins...)


Notice how rare it is for any homosexual to admit for ANY need for change or that their sexual preferences have anything to do with mental illness.

Yes, because the admission means noticing that you were helpless, that the people who were supposed to love and protect you did NOT (did the reverse in fact!), which means you were NOT lovable or even acceptable (or they would not have done that). And that child -- who was stopped in the growing-up process to feed someone else's needs -- is pretending to have continued growing up, to have learned to become a normal(-seeming) person -- with a quirk, (for males, with a set preference for gay sex -- which they deny is pathological because it exposes the child underneath, trying desperately to SEEM normal and thus be safe! Notice too, strong protests of women in the BDSM world that "they are normal! Its not weird to crave a beating!"

(I have had some online discussions about how it seems -- to an open and interested observer, that, like a drug addict, their 'need' for (daddy's?) 'discipline' GROWS! What starts as spanking sometimes (nowhere near always) ends up in whipping, cutting, melting wax, .. Well, etc. etc. Y'all do NOT need to know! That the effect of their 'drug' (internal / endogenous 'drugs' yes?) grows weaker over time makes them desperate! No, I didn't 'play that' -- but the ... defensiveness Milo (and, no doubt, I) have is quite evident. )

Sorry for doing (seeming to do) a little therapy here (actually just explanation for the unaware?) -- but reading comment after comment (and Amazon review after Amazon review) and seeing the ... befuddled ... responses, the folks who don't 'see through' or who see only the horror and not the formation that depends from the horror, was a bit surprising. It's the obverse of what Vox wrote to me earlier here: you normals CAN see the pedo-hints in MZB’s work; we affecteds (or at least I) don't. I see the affected (everywhere!) but miss the pedo-hints entirely!

(And as I wrote earlier: you must SAY IT OUT LOUD, and say it in public, to start to wipe some of the emotion off it!)

Blogger kurt9 January 11, 2018 10:40 AM  

The notion that homosexuality and other "alternative" sexual identities and interests are caused by imprinting during childhood makes considerable sense to me. I personally do not give a rat's ass about what other peoples' sexual proclivities are. However, I do consider a lot of it to be pathological and I suspect a lot of it is rooted in childhood trauma. This is the reason why I believe their should be a strict firewall separating what adults do in their own private lives and what is exposed to kids through the school system and other places.

I also suspect a lot of gay men are in reality pedophiles. Again I believe this is due to childhood trauma as well.

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2018 10:46 AM  

Oh, and part of the longer-term work is: I have HUGE compassion for my dad. It took a lot of work to see him as just a man with burdens, carrying them the best he could, and sometimes dropping them... (often on me).

Like Moira -- I reached the 'walking away' age: where I snarled back at him: "yeah, go ahead and HIT me; THAT will make me love you!" (THAT stopped him... THAT made him recognize he did NOT want to be that man...) Moira didn't dare fight back (her parents were WAY more pathological -- and CHOSE evil, which mine did not); but she put a halt to it (well, to what she could: her other's sexual abuse), nonetheless, at 12 (I think I was 15 or so).


If I am going to give mySELF the 'grace' of forgiveness: forgiving myself (after repentance and such amends as I can make) for my mistakes and trespasses (which I do not intend, but still sometimes do; I'm human) -- how can I NOT forgive my dad?

That doesn't make my damage any less, the pain and left-over fear any smaller -- the horror any more bearable -- but if *I* am an acceptable human, so was he. (One reason I never had kids is I KNEW WITHOUT DOUBT that I would be a batterer like my father. I would no more be able to tolerate the noise and disruption, the havoc and impingement, the demands and trespasses, of children than he was (some of the time: unlike Moira's -- there was some safety and no sexual abuse in my house. Bless Moira for being able to stop the family pass-down of abuse!)

I disagree with the concept that it's wrong to believe or allow that "he (whoever) did the best he could with who he was at the time." Some people are now pushing that: it is not an excuse. No, it's not an EXCUSE -- but it is certainly true! Perfection is not possible in a human. Yes, we do (and must) differentiate between evil and wrong. But we (I believe) must also differentiate between "it's the best /most /only possible thing someone can do" and "when I knew better, I did better."

My parents were wrong; Moira's CHOSE evil! Even so, Moira has been able to understand her parents' evil (and more astonishing: to report it with sympathy and a clear-eyed description!). Jut as I understand my parents' "inability" to do better.

Truly I am in awe of -- and filled with gratitude for -- Moira Greyland Peat!!

Anonymous BBGKB January 11, 2018 11:47 AM  

Many gays have been abused as kids, which makes jews pushing for gay scout leaders even after the supreme court win even worse as scouts could be one place boys could butch up.

much like domestic violence rates among lesbian couples, such a study would be quickly squashed.

The Miss Trans America in the news for being murdered was killed by it's husband.

won't read it because you're a father: if you do not know HOW little children are groomed, how will you know what to watch for?

If you don't want a gay Hispanic peds nurse changing your sons diaper, go with your gut and say it.

There are "Normal" gays but probably rare as hen's teeth.

The only bar I have been banned from is where I stopped their best customer "Grandpa Moses" from taking a friend he roofied home. I burned bridges when I narced out an exes friend who had underage drug/booze parties & a roommate who was on probation for sexually assaulting a minor in a McDonalds.

Anonymous Anonymous January 11, 2018 11:56 AM  

But would that be the worst thing to happen?

Blogger SirHamster January 11, 2018 4:28 PM  

Avalanche wrote:If I am going to give mySELF the 'grace' of forgiveness: forgiving myself (after repentance and such amends as I can make) for my mistakes and trespasses (which I do not intend, but still sometimes do; I'm human) -- how can I NOT forgive my dad?

You are growing as a Christian. You're on the right track.

Blogger Rashadjin January 11, 2018 6:42 PM  

@30 Naga

Treatment is not exactly the correct paradigm for undoing any given imprinted sexuality as human sexuality is malleable depending on a whole host of factors. And to change a person's sexuality is a complicated and fraught affair.

Firstly, the person has to genuinely want to change.
Secondly, the person has to genuinely give up their current sexuality. This is the real sticking point as people almost never examine it and fewer ever really figure out all the psychological and relational drives which are funneled through their sexuality to make it the way it is and keep it the way it is. A person is bound to fail unless they untangle and correct all the things feeding into their current sexuality (which is where a religious type experience usually factors in as it's often closer to a whole person change that catches these sort of things in the broad sweep).

From there, it's strategy.

One way is for the person to extract themselves from our hypersexualized culture and abstain from sexualized contexts to allow their sexuality to naturally drift toward a reset, which is damn near always toward standard hetero - even for people who've lived the gay lifestyle. This takes a year or two at least, typically, and is an ongoing process.

There's also the dopamine trick where you chemically condition yourself to associate sexual arousal with certain things/situations/activities. So, masturbating to porn basically conditions you into a place where sexual arousal and performance is predicated on sex voyeurism in whatever screwed up and degenerate sexual context on display in the porn consumed.

Rather than porn, the better path is to explore more healthy or preferred sexual activity within the imagination to retrain and work through the old mental connections and paths. With or without the dopamine trick of masturbation.

And then prayer and dedication. This is basically on the level of a life mission taken across a span of years.

Blogger LP9 January 11, 2018 7:15 PM  

41 give it time, keep the faith, prayers.

Avalache evil we face is also self aware and roaming around.

Blogger LP9 January 11, 2018 7:36 PM  

To complex a topic to work thru, I hope those harmed do not live in chronic pain or look behind their shoulders often. Dwell in contentment, beauty, honor, the truth, the good, prayer and safety...If it takes speaking out you might live another way, "they shall look behind their shoulders for the rest of their lives."

You the harmed party will be ok; granted peace, safe passage and grace - its a shared prayer.

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2018 11:06 PM  

@41 "You are growing as a Christian. You're on the right track."

Honored, SirHamster, thank you!

Anonymous YouTubian January 12, 2018 6:39 AM  

You came to mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v4R2ZcxPlA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_V7q8XhuBk

Anonymous Naga January 12, 2018 10:18 AM  

Thanks, Rashadjin.

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